The Murderous House Flipper

In this episode, we trace a Utah case where a husband dies, a children’s grief book appears, and investigators uncover a web of debt, fraud, and fentanyl. We weigh greed versus desperation, the gaps in judgment (being totally stupid), and what this ongoing trial reveals.

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Transcript

Welcome And Case Tease

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Greedy Mofo comments on the world best of Greedy Mofo Greedy Mofo Every promise that you make greedy mofo Greedy Mofo Good evening Greedy Mofo fans this is Pippa and we have Aston as well how are you Aston?

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Hi Pippa, I'm doing well. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Fantastic, fan fantastic.

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Awesome, awesome, awesome. So we're back with another episode of Greedy Mofos. Welcome everybody. So what do you have for us today?

The Night Of Eric’s Death

SPEAKER_00 0:46

So this evening's story, I have a Greedy Mofo coming to you out of the Salt Lake City area. So several years ago, a woman named Cory Richard um published a grief book for children because her husband had passed away about a year prior. And in the meantime, police had been investigating her. So she had not been charged yet until after the book was released, a little over a year after his death. So the death occurred on March the 4th, 2022. She called 911 at three something in the morning. Paramedics got there. They asked her, Do you know how to do CPR? And she's like, no, but I'll try. And she's just like distraught. And they are not able to save Eric Richards, her husband. They pronounce him almost 5 a.m. And he, you know, he's buried. She's got three children. She writes this grief book.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Oh, what was the name of the book? Do you know?

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Oh my gosh. Um uh let me look. I'm so sorry. I knew you were gonna ask that. I should have had that.

Debt, Motive, And Insurance Changes

SPEAKER_00 2:25

I will get that. Okay. So um so anyway, about a year goes by. She's been investigated. I'll get that's the name of the book in just a minute. So come to find out during the investigation, it it was shed upon uh investigators that she was about four hundred and or I'm sorry, four point five million dollars in debt.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. So I'm I'm the question that comes to mind right away is that she wrote the grief book after her husband died.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

That is correct.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Okay, and she sold it to children. It was a children's book about grief. Did she make any money with that?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Well, it had just gotten published right before she was arrested. So I doubt it.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

So I don't know if she was given in advance. Um did she know she was under investigation for that year or so?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I don't know how she couldn't have known. I don't know how she could not have known. She may have. Probably did.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

So did she have a job when she killed her husband? And did he have a job when she killed him? I'm assuming she killed if she's under investigation.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

She she did, and the trial is happening right now, so she has not been found guilty yet. Okay, but she was a real estate agent. Um, I'm not quite sure what Eric did uh before his passing, but he had gotten sick a few weeks prior to his death, and he told a friend of his, I think my wife tried to poison me. She brought him a sandwich and he broke out in hives and got really sick. Well, come to find out, she had her housekeeper get fentanyl for her, and so she poisoned him, and it wasn't enough to do the job. Um, she was in debt up to her ears. She owed um on a mortgage deal. It was just she was being sued by a creditor, she tried to get a bank loan. Um, however, he told Eric told his sister before this happened that he didn't trust her anymore. She had committed financial fraud. He

Alleged Poisoning Attempts And Fentanyl Trail

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was growing more and more concerned about the misuse of his funds. He took the house out of his name or of their name as a couple, put it in a trust, basically removing her from the deed. He changed his half a million dollar life insurance policy to his sister and um two days died. The sister is now the benefit of it.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Well, how come he didn't leave it to his kids?

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Well, probably because his sister would take care of his kids.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

Okay. Okay. Well, if he was okay, this these are the questions, and I'm surprised I haven't heard about this. These are the questions that I have just from what you've said so far. If he suspected that his wife was trying to kill him and he told a friend, and he's changing his life insurance policy, it was only half a million dollars. So if the wife thought she was going to get half a million dollars, that doesn't even come close to wiping out her $4.2 million debt.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

And but there's still his estate. There's still his estate and the house.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

So maybe they had some money and why she was in debt, you know, you haven't gone into detail about that yet. I mean, but if he has kids with her, why didn't he just leave her?

SPEAKER_00 6:44

I think he was about to.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Yes, it hadn't happened yet. So he removed her as the beneficiary from the policy. Come to find out she had forged his signature and gotten other life insurance policies. I'm not surprised. And um, yep, not surprised at all. So um going back, this happened in 2022, March of 2022, and in October of 2020, so it went back. Why he didn't leave her, million-dollar question. He'd still be alive had he left her. Don't know why, but he went to an estate planning lawyer. Um, and here's a quote: he wanted to protect himself from quote, recently discovered an ongoing abuse and misuse of his finances. That was October. In November of 2020, he removed her as the beneficiary of his life insurance policy, also transferred his home and company interest to a trust managed by his sister. Um so fast forward several months into June of 2021, Corey, the criminal, the wife, she tried to obtain a loan basically fraudulently. And um she used a falsified bank statement from her husband's business. Um, and when he asked about her credit and everything, she said, oh, she was in the process of a separation.

Fraud, Forgery, And Failing Real Estate

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So the loan was basically declined. Six weeks later, about she tried to apply again for another loan, committed another falsified bank statement to a different bank in December of 21. She told someone, it doesn't say who, um, but she told someone that she felt stuck and trapped in her in her marriage and that it would be better if Eric died. Now we are in January of 2022, just the end of January, just a six weeks or so before he died, she applied for a life insurance policy and named herself as the beneficiary. Um he was not aware of it. She forged his signature. Um I don't know the amount of that life insurance policy. Um February 11th, uh shh, an acquaintance purchased fentanyl for her upon her request on Valentine's Day 2022. That is when Eric told his friend that he felt like his wife tried to poison her, and he felt like he was going to die. Um February 26th, additional fentanyl was purchased for her, saying the earlier pills were not strong enough. And then on March 4th is when she poisoned him and he passed away.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Um well he was staying with her.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Why did he stay? Maybe just because of the kids, maybe he really I mean the poisoning didn't happen until February, so right before he died. So he probably didn't feel threatened until like Valentine's Day, which was just a few weeks before he he died.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Maybe he was about to move out, and maybe that's when she sped up the process to um Yeah, but if he's already changed his his his did all that and switched it over to his sister, then as soon as that was done, I would have been out the door. I would have I would have put all the suspicions on her, and that way he could have custody of the kids if he needed to, and he would probably still be alive today.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Probably so. He may not have had concrete evidence, you know, who's to say what he was thinking. Um so anyway, after the death, two days later, the wife assaulted the sister after a disagreement about the home. She did not know, I guess, that he had changed the ownership of the home into a trust. So it actually wasn't in his sister's name, it was in a trust managed by his sister. Um so April 13th of 22, police told her that he died of a fentanyl overdose. And then here is when it starts getting

Autopsy, Google Searches, And The Grief Book

SPEAKER_00 12:12

a little um heated on her part. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

In on April the 13th was when they finally had a cause of death.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

Yes, I guess they did an autopsy, so it was just like six weeks later or five weeks later. So that's about normal. Five weeks for an autopsy.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Was he already buried in the ground?

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Well, even if he was, if they do an autopsy, they have all of the you know toxicology and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Okay. So nobody was suspicious right after he died.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Not his friend, not his Well, they probably were because he had told, um, he had told people that he felt she was trying to poison him. So maybe his friends came forward and told the cops. So so yeah. So um, so after she was told about the fentanyl poisoning, prosecutors are saying that she had used a cell phone to research what happens to deleted messages. How do police and forensic analysts recover deleted data from phones? And another thing she researched was signs of being under federal investigation. So they started the investigation right after, probably immediately. She also read an article titled, Cause of Death Usually Does Not Impact Life Insurance Payment. Um, so prosecutors, they're building the case. Um she also two months after that researched on the same cell phone what is a lethal dose of fentanyl and how long do life insurance companies take to pay, among other things. Um that was just he died March 4th of 22. All these things happen by June 6th of 22. So the case is just building and building and building. And then March of 23, a year after the death, her book is published. It's titled, Are You With Me? Uh, the description states it was written by a loving mother who personally faced this challenge and is designed to offer comfort and solace to young minds. And shortly after the book is published in March of 23, in May of 23, she was charged with aggravated murder, three counts of possession of a controlled substance in the death of her husband, and then just last year, June of

Charges Pile Up And Trial Begins

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25, she's charged with five counts of mortgage fraud, five counts of forgery, seven counts of issuing a bad check, seven counts of money laundering, one count of communications fraud, and one count of a pattern of unlawful activity. Whatever that means, who knows? But these are all separate from the murder charge. Um October of 2025, they amended the charges against her in her husband's death to one count of aggravated murder, one count of attempted aggravated murder, probably from the Valentine's Day poisoning, two counts of insurance fraud, and one count of forgery. So now the trial just started February of this year, so just a week or two ago. So, I mean, it's it's pretty crazy. I don't know how she ever thinks that she's going to get off on, you know, be found not guilty. But they did play the 911 tape, you know, when her defense attorney opened, you know, opening statements, you know, they played her crying, and and the defense attorney says, This is the sound of a woman becoming a widow. So they're playing to the jury's, you know, emotions and hoping that that will impact their decisioning. So this is one that we will absolutely have to have a recap. We will keep up with the trial when it concludes. Um it's probably gonna take weeks for it to conclude because um, you know, there's just so much to untangle.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

There's a lot to untangle, but I'm just dumbfounded that he didn't do something sooner if he had those

Why Didn’t He Leave

SPEAKER_02 17:18

suspicions. And I'm even more dumbfounded that because you said this was in where? Salt Lake City, Utah, or something like that?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Yes, uh, right, uh a little town outside of Salt Lake City, Utah.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

And how she didn't think that if she kept going to banks in her town, they would know, you know, if she's being turned down by one and then she goes to another one. I mean, all of that's in the system. It hits your credit report when you get turned down for loans, you know, and then if you're a real estate broker. And if you're a real estate broker and you have lawsuits against you and things, I mean, if if it's a small town, people talk, people know. So I'm sure the husband had some sense and kind of figured something's not right. What is she going on? What is she doing? Maybe they had fights about it, who knows? But I just don't see him just saying, Oh, I think she's gonna kill me, and he stays with her. That's just stupid. Don't you think?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

I I think so. Um I don't know why you can leave her.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

You're sitting here, put yourself in his shoes. Before he told his friend, I think my wife is trying to poison me. Because I'm assuming that he transferred the stuff to his sister.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Oh, that was happened. Yeah, it happened.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

And then he tells his friend, I think my wife is trying to poison me. So why would you live in a house and you never know if what you're eating is poisoned? You know, you're staying under the same roof. She could be spiking his drinks, his food, his toothpaste, anything. But yet you're not leaving her. I know. That's just plain stupid. You know? And I'm sure he knew she had financial troubles, and that's why he was changing everything. And to that alone would be like, uh, well, you know, she's committing fraud and she's doing this, and no, I didn't sign it.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Yeah. That's just plain opening lines of credit, opening, yeah, who knows what all accounts she opened and how much debt she had incurred um when he found out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

It's uh and then she was stupid with the way she went about it. Because if you're trying to get some drugs or something, you don't go to a friend and say, Oh, I want some fentanyl. What did she do? What do you tell people you need fentanyl for? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yeah, she got it from her housekeeper, and yeah, and there's a big scandal about that too, because her defense attorney said that the housekeeper's fentanyl dealer was in jail and uh in a detox program at that time. So it's like it's a mess. It's a mess.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

So, and how do you know your housekeeper can even get fentanyl? How do you know that? Do you just say, oh, by the way, I need some fentanyl. She's cleaning your house, and your

Housekeeper, Boyfriend, And Paper Trail

SPEAKER_02 20:31

house could be just volunteer information. Oh, I know I can get somebody to to to sell you some, or I can get some for you. That's a red flag right there. I would have fired her on the spot.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Yeah, how did it, yeah, how did it come up? I'd love to know that conversation.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Okay, just and the housekeeper. If the housekeeper was asked by her, hey, can you get me some fentanyl? Why would she get it for her? I mean, no.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Do she, you know, and she couldn't really pay the housekeeper for fentanyl because she's in financial trouble and mortgage to the well, you know, and that's the whole reason she's doing this, is because she needs money and she's lying and cheating her way, trying to get loans and money and and different stuff, and she's being sued by people, and that's just I'm the housekeeper was stupid for getting it for her. She should be an accessory to the murderer. Yeah, the husband was stupid for staying there, not just leaving her and kicking her out of the house.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah. Unless he was afraid to leave his kids. I don't know. Why not just take your kids? She could have sued him. There was a prenup. Um, so she had she had nothing, you know, if she left him. Um, but here's some more stats about her real estate company. Um, she had it grew from yes, it grew from five projects. To 15 from one year to the next, which started at 2.2 million to 6.7 million in purchases in one year. Um in from January 21 to March 22, she allegedly attempted 236 overdraft transactions amounting to more than $300,000. The account incurred almost six thousand dollars in fees just from overdraft fees. She was floating checks to pay off debt.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Um so her business wasn't as successful as people think it was.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Well, it was pretty much doomed from the start, which is why she was trying to get more loans. She was, you know, trying to probably hide that from her husband. Who knows? Who knows? Um I mean, how do you get that much in debt in one year? You buy fifty how how did she even buy 15 properties and bring it up to 6.7 million in purchases? How did she make those purchases? It makes no sense.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

It really doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

I guess loans on it, I guess I guess she got loans. What bank would give her all those loans unless

Greed Scale, Desperation, And Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 23:34

she forged her husband's name and used his assets to as collateral, maybe? I it's yep. So in 2019, she had one house worth $215,000 in 2020. Five houses or properties worth 2.283 2021, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Wait, 15 worth 6.7.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Was she a real estate broker, agent, or developer?

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Um, it said it was Kay Richens, let's see the name of her company. It was Kay because why is she buying Kay Richens Realty? Well, probably buying and then flipping. She was flipping them.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Yeah. Oh, here it is. Their home she took out a home equity line of credit on them. Um, I don't know how much their house was worth. I I don't know if it was worth six point something million dollars. So a lot of this is unsecured, but I mean she just it got worse and worse and worse um because he started noticing it in 2020. And here by 2021, 6.7 million dollars.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

And he was killed in 2022 or 2023?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

22.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

So it got too much for her, and she had to kill him to get his two years he had a suspicion, and it probably wasn't until she brought him a sandwich where he probably felt that, oh yeah, she's trying to kill me because he got sick.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Yeah, he knew about her, you know, financial problems, but didn't have any idea he she was gonna poison him until Valentine's Day 2022. And then two and a half, three weeks later, he was dead.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Well, he was stupid for staying after Valentine's Day. He was actually stupid for staying once he realized what was going on with her. But she was greedy, but I don't know. I mean, I don't know how much the life insurance policies that she took out on him were worth. I'm assuming hopefully she probably thought at least was smart enough to take out maybe a one million or two million dollar life insurance policy. But do you know what

Follow-Up Plans And Listener Feedback

SPEAKER_02 26:20

the monthly payments or the yearly payments are on policies like that? She couldn't afford to pay.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah, yeah. I know. Well, I mean, she probably had a paycheck coming in somehow, some way, and he probably did from his business. So she probably had a joint bank account, you know, and maybe he got an allowance. Yeah, but they still could have had a household account.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Yeah, but still, if she had forged life insurance policies so that she could be the beneficiary and she's in that much debt, I'm surprised she could afford to pay the life insurance policies. You know? Yeah. To me, she was she was more stupid than greedy, but she was I mean, she was greedy. You're greedy enough to kill your husband, but you're in such bad uh straits to begin with, even if you killed him, unless he left you twenty million dollars, you know, you would still be in the same situation you're in.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Yeah. Um I I don't understand it.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

I don't understand it either. This is why I say seven greedy mofos, sometimes they're just not that smart. Well, I mean, you know, I don't know. They get caught, yes, but some, you know, some you hear about and they can pull a scab for years and then get caught, right? And eventually you're gonna get caught, depending on how you carry yourself as you're scamming people. Or if you don't give them the return on investments and they keep hassling you and you disappear with, you know, there's there's ways to get caught. But for you to try to forge everything, get these loans, they deny you the loans, and then you forge, you know, all of bank financials and all this other kind of stuff, knowing that you're in a small town and it's hitting your credit every time you apply for something, and you're getting deeper and deeper in debt, and you got lawsuits after you. Sometimes you just gotta be like, fuck, I just don't know what to do, and you move on. You know, you you leave.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Well, she would have she would have gone to jail because there was bank fraud.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Um well that's what I'm saying. She was stupid for staying there, she should have just high tailed it out of there and just disappeared, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

She didn't have any money to disappear.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Well, she doesn't have she didn't have any money regardless. I don't think she thought it through real quick. I think she just did a lot of desperate things thinking that she can get some money. Yeah. Because trust me, even if somebody dies, by the time you get the death certificate, and then by the time you notify the insurance company, it takes anywhere from three to three weeks or more if you're lucky to see a check. You know?

SPEAKER_00 29:37

For life insurance policies? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

It takes it doesn't just happen overnight. You gotta send in death certificates. You gotta send in death certificates, and if they're depending on how they die, you gotta send in police reports, and sometimes the funeral home will put a lien on it if you can't pay the funeral home at the time that you're trying to arrange the funeral, or it's a whole mess. But trust me, even you know, if she was gonna get the two million dollars from a life insurance policy or one million dollars, she did get it.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

She did get it.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

She did or she didn't?

SPEAKER_00 30:16

She did.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

Yeah, she got two million dollars, and that still didn't cover how much she was in debt.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

No, and she spent it before it was even, I guess she knew it was coming. She spent it before she even got it, and then had eight hundred and two dollars left of the two million dollars. Um and she was still in the hole by like one point six million dollars or something like that. I mean she used to oh wait, wait, wait. Two million total. She received one point four and the rest was left to a trust. Um yeah. She used to be. Done happen quick. So, and that's I guess before.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

And she didn't have to Google it.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

They officially charged her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

And that didn't, that wouldn't have shown up on her phone if all she did was call the life insurance people. And once she'd submitted the death certificates and all that, they would have told her how long it was gonna take. And they probably didn't.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

I've seen cases I and she probably did. I have seen cases where they have the the insurance company gets probably some kind of notification saying this is under investigation, don't pay out, and they track all the calls. Like I saw another case a long time ago where either the wife or the husband kept calling like every week. When is this gonna get paid? When is this gonna get paid? And they kept saying it's you know, we're still, you know, pending paperwork and stuff, so yep, yeah, yeah, she was a po greedy mofo sometimes, she was so much in debt at the time. She wanted to be rich so badly. Um really, really, really poor greedy mofo. Yep, and she also had a boyfriend, and she one of the the prosecutors presented um in the case that she said, I'm going, I want to marry you, or I want to leave my husband and be with you. So before he even died, she's already telling someone else she wants to be with him.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Well, I hope the guy realized he dodged a bullet.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

I think he is on the witness for the prosecution list. I hope so. I certainly hope so.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

I hope so too. And he ought to be like, oh, thank God I didn't go with that crazy woman. I'd be dead next because she I'm sure he has money. You know, that's why I say the husband was stupid for staying. He should have left a long time ago. Took the kids with him, kicked her out the house, you know, and then if she did something after that, at least she'd be on her own doing it and he wouldn't be poisoned.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

That's crazy. That is really, really crazy.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

I just don't know why he didn't leave.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Don't know. Don't know. He could be alive today if he would have left.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Probably so.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

There's a lot of things that we don't know. That's just between her and him. No telling what kind of relationship or marriage they had. And I don't know what happened to the kids, but I'm sorry. For a book, first of all, I would not buy a book for my child that says, Where are you?

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Are you with me or with us? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Whatever. And you and I'm kind of like, okay, was her children grieving? Did she help her children? And that's why she's writing a book, or is this just another book? That was her.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

That's how she thought she could help her children. It was probably out of guilt, you know. I killed your kid, I killed your dad, so I'm gonna help you grieve.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Um it's just another money scheme. I'm sure she did a GoFundMe. I wonder if she did a GoFundMe to try to play up on the you know his death and the kids left behind and all this her grief and everything. I wonder if she did a gofundme. I would not be surprised. Huh? Check on that. Yeah, I would not be surprised. One of those scammers that'll come up with anything they can do. Forgery, all kinds of stuff. I would not be surprised if she had a GoFundMe. Well, that's an interesting story.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

I several weeks. Go ahead, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

No, I was gonna say I just have several several levels of the scale for this one, but go ahead, finish your statement.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

I was just gonna say um I can't wait for this trial to be over and get the recap. And is it possible we can get trial transcripts? Well, it would probably be five million pages long, so I don't know if I really want to do that, but um it should be online.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Um it's a public record. We'll take a breakdown of it. Yeah, we'll have to do a follow-up episode on this one because I want to I want to hear what comes out in trial. That's what I want. I want to hear why the housekeeper gave her, but you know, got her fentanyl. I want to hear why the husband didn't leave and and what she actually did, you know, and if the boyfriend, I doubt if I don't know if the boyfriend was involved or not, if the prosecution is calling him as a witness. But all I can say is that she's a she was a poor, greedy mofo. She was definitely greedy, she wasn't the best scammer in the world, but I still put her up there as like a nine on the greed scale, and then I put the husband down there on the three on the stupid scale for not leaving her sooner.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Yeah, you're right. I think her motive wasn't true greed, it was to get out of the marriage, and she did want it's out like she didn't want to work. She it seemed like she loved do her house flipping real estate business. So she didn't it wasn't just for the money, but at the end she knew she needed it, you know, and she needed it for her business to get out of debt. So, but I I do think that it wasn't pure greed that initially started this.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

You think it was more desperation?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Yeah, she just kind of wanted to get her her business up and running, and she was fraudulent more than greedy to start with, it seems like.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Okay, so how would you rate her?

SPEAKER_00 37:57

On the greed scale, I'm gonna say let's see a seven, and then on the evil scale off the charts. I don't even have a number for it.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Yeah, yeah. She she I'm to me, she just wasn't smart enough to pull all this off, if you ask me.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Definitely not, you know, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Mm-mm. I mean, because the last person I would ask for Fentono is someone that works in my home.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Yeah. So I guess the housekeeper probably made some money off of it. She sold it to her, so she probably made some money off of it.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Well, another sad tale of some greedy mofo. That do not be a greedy mofo, people. Nope, that probably could have ended differently if things were done differently sooner. But we can't go back and change time.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

No.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Nope, nope, nope. Well, that was an interesting deal. And we're definitely gonna keep following up on that one because uh since the trial is now going on, you know.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Yep, it should be done by the end of March.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

I'm definitely gonna gonna follow up on that one. Well, cool, cool. That was a good one, Pippa.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Well, Aston, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I wish it were over and we could tell people the outcome of it. But tune back in in a few weeks and we'll have an update.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Anybody's listening to this in Utah, maybe you know what's going on. Shoot us an email.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Absolutely. We want to know.

SPEAKER_02 39:54

Yeah, message us on Facebook at one o 21 on our Facebook page. And if you have any questions, shoot us an email. Shoot us an email. Info at o-neo-e-ne21.com. And the same with, you know, post on Instagram and everything. There's a lot of stuff that's going on right now. I'm trying to whittle down some of these stories that I'm I've been researching because it's like, oh, I want to talk about this one, and then I want to talk about this one. So there's a lot of good content out there. Because there's a lot of greedy mofos.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Absolutely is. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

They will never run out of greedy mofos, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

That's true. The world, we're full of them. Especially dumb greedy mofos.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Dumb, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, scammers. Some educated people.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Some are educated, though.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Some are educated.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

It doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

And the thing is, and this is what gets me, they put so much effort and time into scamming people. Why can't you put that kind of effort and time into running a legitimate successful business and make your own money? Apparently she wasn't that good of a real estate broker.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Or a flipper.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Or a flipper.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

Well, who knows? You know, she she she may have been. She just did too many too quickly and wanted it all to happen way too fast.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Well then that's good. Because they're not good at planning, you're not good at scratching. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

You know, so she could have been good at the act of flipping houses. She you know, just when you when you do too much, you know, you can't keep up with it.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

That money finds a way of weighing you down. And that's great.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

You know, you went from one to fifteen and then from fifteen to fifty. Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Two hundred and fifteen to like seven to fifteen.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

No, no, no, up to the number of seven million. The number of houses that.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Oh yeah, up to fifteen, yeah. Up to fifteen, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Alright then. Well, before we end this particular episode, is there anything else you would like to say?

SPEAKER_00 42:38

No, just don't be a greedy mofo.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Don't be a greedy mofo. That's it. Thanks for listening, everybody. See you next time.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Have a good night.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Okay, good night.