Breaking Down Dyslexia: What Every Teacher Needs to Know (But Was Never Taught!)

🎓 Breaking Down Dyslexia: What Every Teacher Needs to Know (But Was Never Taught!)

Did you know that 1 in 5 students in your classroom may have dyslexia? Yet most of us learned about it in just "two paragraphs" during our teacher training! In this eye-opening episode, we chat with Lisa Parnello, a full-time dyslexia coach who's transforming how we understand and support students with dyslexia.

Key Takeaways: 📚 Dyslexia isn't about seeing letters backward - it's about how the brain processes language 🧠 Three major signs to watch for:

• Phonemic awareness challenges
• Executive functioning struggles (organization, time management)
• Left-handedness (surprisingly correlated!)

🍎 What teachers can do to help students who they suspect may have dyslexia, despite the imitation of resources in many schools.

🌟 Success Stories: Many highly successful individuals have dyslexia, including:

• Steve Jobs (Apple founder)
• Richard Branson (Virgin Group founder)
• Keira Knightley (actress)

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Transcript

All right, here we go. So here's the thing. Do you ever listen to a podcast and you hear the person say, Oh, I'm going to introduce my friend such and such in, you know, truth be told, they just literally met that person on zoom 10 minutes before and their secretary organized it all in this case. This is surely not that.

I actually, Lisa is a friend. She is wonderful. She is great at what she does. One of my favorite things about her is, and one of the things I've learned from her is when she has a policy, adorable families only. I really try and keep that with my own business. Like, you know, what adorable customers only adorable clients only.

Yeah. Who has that kind of stress? So she is a full time dyslexia coach. She's going to tell you all about it. But one of the things that we have in common and why I am so excited to have her on the podcast. Other of. Then of course, it is National Dyslexia Month and I want to learn more about that and how we can support teachers with that.

But the other thing is, I think she's a wonderful role model.  I kind of, kind of like myself, she was really passionate about education Decided to leave the traditional school system, but wanted still to have a huge impact with students and parents and teachers, and she is doing that. And I think it is amazing.

So anyway, with that, here is Lisa Parnello from Parnello Education. And the first thing, Lisa, just tell us how, tell us a little bit about your kind of journey in education, what you do now and how you got here.  

I am so happy to be on your podcast and I think one of my favorite things is to have a friend that, you know, we've had dinner and coffees together and stuff and  we've gotten to share our education journeys and so it's so nice to be able to have a chat with a friend and be on a podcast all at the same time. 

So my,  my education has kind of taken a bit of a journey and I'm far beyond what I ever thought I would be in education and I'm so glad Paths took me where I am. So I started as a public school teacher in Arizona.  I moved back home to California and I, when I was out in Arizona, I really couldn't decide between general education, special education.

So I was a general ed teacher that worked with kids who were getting phased out of the ED program. So emotionally disturbed is what they called it. We all know that's not really a kind term anymore, but it was one of those things where I actually really loved the most challenging kids. They were my favorite. 

And I moved back out here to California when the economy crashed in 08, and my mom needed some help. And I ended up in a small private school for special education, because when the economy crashes, all the schools lose their funding. So it was very hard to find a job. And this little school was willing to take me, even though my credential hadn't finished changing states, because have you ever gone through state bureaucracy?

It takes a very long time to move a credential. And I ended up in a special ed school. I got my master's in special education and really was following my heart and helping the most challenging kids. And that school setting really wasn't a great setting for a educator. They were not very supportive whatsoever.

We had a great team of educators and I loved what I was doing. And I ended up at a school for dyslexia after I had gotten my master's in special ed and It was one of the biggest changes that took me on a whole journey I never anticipated.  I had a class of kids at this dyslexia school, but if you know anything about education, most of us were taught about two paragraphs about dyslexia in our teaching programs and not actually how to help a kid with dyslexia.

So I went to my administrator and I said, Hey, you know, I've got this kid. I've tried every tool in my bag of tricks. None of them are working. I don't know how to help her. And I'm floundering and I've tried everything and I feel like I was a really good reading teacher until this one little girl. I just didn't know how to help her.

And thankfully I got certified to teach kids with dyslexia and it has changed the complete course of my career.  And so, I learned how to help her, and when she graduated 8th grade and knew how to read, I thanked her for making me a better teacher, and I absolutely have loved helping kids. And it was a school for kids with dyslexia, so I became a trainer.

And I started training teachers to help kids with dyslexia. Because there's only so many kids you can teach in a year, but if you can teach teachers, then they can help more kids.  And as I moved up the ranks of the school, I became the lower school director of that school. And if anybody's been a director of anything, you know, nobody comes to you for anything nice. 

They come to you when they're mad and upset over things. And so I went from helping all of these kids all the time to just helping angry parents during the middle of a pandemic. And it was really stressful. And I was in a lot of tears. And the whole time I had the side hustle of my small business. doing dyslexia therapy tutoring  because the kids were always the joy of my day.

So for years and years, for five years, actually, I had my business on the side. So I'd finished my school day, drive down the street to my office. And I ended up having this great little career that was always my backup plan.  And then there finally came the time that that backup plan became the full plan.

I, you know, was told I had to work during my Christmas break and that was my deal breaker. And I decided to put in my notice on January 1st of 2022  and I left this, I finished the school year. I tried to end on good terms and I was glad that I did because, you know, good things came out of that eventually. 

And when I left in 2022, I never looked back and it was the best decision I ever made. So I still work with kids. I still train teachers and I do, you know, my podcasts, my online courses, and I directly help kids and their families too. So I literally made a job of all of my favorite parts of my old job.

And none of the parts I don't like. You know what?  

That's so, God, that's like everybody's dream, right? We just had a little conversation off camera because I'm kind of in a crux in my business. Like, what gives me joy? What do I love doing? How do I just work on the bits that really light me up? And you managed to do that.

And I can attest, I hope you don't mind me sharing, that I know that.  Lisa, you are killing it in the work life balance arena. She works four days a week. She has these wonderful trips that she goes on. She has a very full life. She works really hard on those four days, but I gotta tell you She's really killing it because one of the things that happens a lot especially with people who run their own educational businesses, like you trade one job that is like 60, 70 crazy hours a week, and then you start working for yourself and you never take a day off.

Right? So anyway, all that aside to say she, Lisa, you are so qualified. You are in the right place. I know there are teachers here today who, like me, when I was in the classroom, one of the biggest frustrations, like you just said, is when you have a student and you don't know how to help them. So, you are trained, you're a professional.

I wish that I had run into you when I was still in the classroom.  So, what do you wish teachers knew more about  as far as recognizing when a kid, you know, has dyslexia or you suspect that and what we should do? Tell us all about it because yes, I, I, it was like a footnote in my teacher training class. I, I never really got a good grasp on it.

So tell us. Tell us. 

Of course. I think the biggest thing is that it has nothing to do with vision. Everyone thinks they see things backwards and it has nothing to do with vision whatsoever. And my comparison I like to do is that it's like a tree.  If our animal brains were meant to see something at any angle and know what it is.

So if I'm flying on a plane and looking down at a tree, if I'm standing in front of it, looking at a tree, if I'm laying on the ground, looking up at it, I always know it's a tree.  But as soon as I take a letter and I flip it a different direction, it now represents something completely different with a different name, a different sound, and it means something completely different. 

Yeah. So it's more of how our brain processes language. And it's not just visually. It's also auditorily. It's kids who can't hear the different sounds in the middle of a word. So if you say sprint and they say spur, int, and they think it's only two sounds, when really it's got, you know. Six different sounds, if I pay attention.

I was like, I might need to count things. And it's all these things that come together. In fact, a lot of the ways they test for dyslexia have nothing to do with anything written down. It's how they can rapidly name things out loud. Like, listing, letters quickly off of a page or being able to say their colors in a certain order and things like that.

Or being able to do block designs and phonemic awareness activities and not being able to rhyme. And there's all these different ways that they measure dyslexia and only part of them are actually based on things written down.  A lot of the early things that we see are kids who say the wrong words. So say paschetti instead of spaghetti.

Because they have the right sounds, but they don't put them in the right order. Or they have really poor recall of words. Like what's, what's that thing? That, what, that, whatchamacallit? The and they'll get, they have to take a while. The brain takes a longer path to retrieve the information.  And you can even see it in math facts.

They take longer to remember their math facts, too. Because it's that same thing. Their brain is taking a longer pathway to process the information. And so many of us are just taught that dyslexia is seeing letters backwards when there's not a vision problem at all. And so many solutions are like, use these colored overlays or use these special fonts.

And none of those things are actually solutions to dyslexia. It's actually just really good science of reading instruction, using really explicit phonics, giving them the reason why things are spelled a certain way, and letting kids have really good reading instruction. And the instruction that helps kids with dyslexia can help all kids learn to read.

I'm so excited to see the science of reading movement get pushed along. And it's not just phonics, there's morphology and comprehension, things like that. But schools have always taught comprehension, but they haven't always taught phonics. And that's the part that gets the most attention lately.  Even though there's all these different things.

So I just really wish people knew. And it's also one in five kids. So I've actually had a couple teachers be like, I've never had a kid with dyslexia. And I was like, actually, you do. You just didn't know it. One in five? Yes, and because it presents different ways. And some kids are so clever. They can copy the kid next to them.

Or they can say, repeat something just one hair behind. Or use context clues. Or they can memorize words really easily. And then all of a sudden you give them a more challenging book, or a book without pictures, or a book about a concept they've never heard of before so they can't use context clues, and then it falls apart. 

So a lot of things go under the radar.  

Yeah, so that's, so I'm like, sure, you know, come on, I was in the classroom for 20 years. You telling me that one in five of my kids, like, I, I can't even.  Yeah. I can name them. On the estimates. Less than five hands for a kid that 

I. Yeah. It's crazy. It's anywhere between, you know, one in five and one in seven, but either way, it's still every year you've had multiple and you just didn't know it and we were never taught how to spot it.

I didn't know. 

So let me ask you this. So part of the challenge I had was for the first nine years of my career, I taught first grade. Okay. So the things that you're saying on Zennrhyme and like, you know transposing numbers, putting the letters backwards you know, it was hard for me to decipher what was developmentally, you know, appropriate.

Because, you know, a lot of, or even when you're saying speech patterns and whatever, I would refer, the first thing I would do if I suspected a kid, you know, had an issue, I would go through my list. Okay. Yes. Have they had an eye exam? So let's get them an eye exam because of course they can't see, right.

And then, you know, hearing, right. And so those were standard, usually in, in public schools, for sure. For kindergarten, when I taught first, it was every year, but now I think they do it every other year. But anyway.  For sure we would do those things, but then, like, if I would try and refer a kid to just even have a quick speech assessment, it would be like, no, that's just, you know, those sounds don't come in till this age or that age or whatever.

So what should. a teacher look for? What would be a clue for us that like, Oh, well, this goes beyond just you know, age appropriate development. And then most importantly, like, what should we do about it? I mean, it depends what school you're in, but you know, I was always told you cannot. You can't tell a parent to get a kid tested for anything, right?

Like we, it was, we can't tell a kid, Oh gosh, you know what, your child seems to, you know, I mean, we can't play doctor without a license, right? We can't kind of hint that like, maybe you should have 

your kids tested for ADD.  Well, and that was the thing is, it costs the school's money is actually why. Yeah, exactly.

That's why you can't do it. Yeah. It's, it's actually where I've had the blessing of private schools. We don't have those rules. Yeah. Absolutely.  Yeah, because in my 

school it was definitely that. It's like, if I refer a kid or something, then the time there's a, you know, a time you have 90 days to do this assessment, you know, and then like we're limited resources, people get mad at you.

So, so tell me a few things that a teacher should look out for and be like, that should send off kind of like a little, huh, maybe, maybe this is coming into play. 

I'm going to give you kind of like our big three things that I can look at and kind of tell instantly. One is phonemic awareness. If they can't hear all the separate sounds within a word or put them back together, if they hear the word sound separately, that's a big one.

And if they say things rhyme when they don't, like pan versus man, or those rhyme obviously, but what about like ham? And then so that a n versus a. M, where they can't really hear those subtle differences. Those are some of the big ones.  I like to point out the less common things that you don't realize are related to dyslexia. 

Executive functioning, meaning organization. So it is the kid whose backpack is exploding, the kid who has no concept of time, the kid who can't ever find their whatchamacallit so those are other really big factors. Things that are correlated, not caused, but tend to happen along with dyslexia are ADHD and left handedness. 

So when I taught Left handedness. Yep. When I taught in a public school classroom, I might have one or two kids with who were left handed in my class at any given year. In my dyslexia school, we would often have like four or five kids in a class be left handed in a class of 10 or 10 to 15.  So like a third of the class.

would be left handed.  And it's just because the brain is wired differently. They have different strengths. They have different wonderful gifts. A lot of times they have really good people skills. A lot of times they're very social. And it's actually how a lot of kids with dyslexia fly under the radar is because they can talk their way out of things.

They can mimic things. They can have really good oral vocabulary. So you don't suspect there's anything wrong because they seem so smart.  And a lot of times those are really big factors. So phonemic awareness. Organization, left handedness is just kind of a funny extra. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to.

I have 

never heard that in my life. 

And it's actually on some of the assessments for dyslexia. Are you right or left handed? It is because it is an indicator sometimes. It doesn't cause it. It's not like everybody left handed has dyslexia. That's not what I'm saying. But it is, there are big, big correlations between dyslexia and left handedness and ADHD. 

And so let's say I'm in a public school,  which I was and I suspect I see some of these things, like do I.  Like, who actually gives a, a doctor gives a diagnosis, the school psychologist, like what? It's usually the school psychologist. 

A lot of times parents can't get a diagnosis before second grade in a school because you have to show you're a couple years behind before the school will help you.

And that's often where there, there's a misnomer is that people think you can't diagnose dyslexia before like the third grade when really it's just the school won't consider it because they aren't far enough behind. The American school system has a weight to fail approach. And so, so many times you can actually get a private diagnosis by about first grade.

But in public school, usually you won't get a diagnosis before the end of second. Okay, we seem 

tough. I don't know what's happened to our audio here. We're going to wait a second for Lisa to get back.  I'm seeing frozen. Okay. So I'm going to fill in until she's back. Can you hear me?  Okay. So you know what, Lisa?

Something scrambled with our audio in like the last 60 seconds. So let me, yes, let me ask you to go back. The last thing we said was it's, That, that we heard was that it is sometimes easier to get a private diagnosis. Right? And so is that something you would do? So tell us about that. If a parent's concerned, do they talk to their doctor, their teacher, they go, if they have the resources to find someone? 

One of the things is a neuropsychologist or an educational psychologist are usually who do the diagnosis. I am not a medical doctor, so I don't diagnose it. So usually you have to have somebody with some version of medical degree. Sometimes they will partner with somebody who's an education specialist like me and who will do like part of the educational assessments.

But a lot of time the cognitive assessments come from somebody with a doctoral degree. And a lot of times you can get a diagnosis as early as first grade. If you are in a private setting, but in a public school, it's typically not before about third grade or so because you have to be failing by kind of a lot.

And this is where a lot of parents think their kid doesn't have dyslexia because they go through the whole IEP process and the school says, you don't qualify for services. And people don't realize that not qualifying for services does not mean you don't have dyslexia. It means you are not failing enough that the school has to provide you a service for it. 

And that's where a lot of families fall between the cracks, who are like, Oh, we got tested and the school said they're fine. When really, they're just not severe enough that the school has to pay to help them.  

Yeah, that's very frustrating. You know, I was the SST coordinator for my school, and I also taught third grade for many years.

And it was like, gosh, and people were like, Oh my gosh, like, what do you just refer everybody? And it's like, no, but these kids were struggling so much, but they weren't struggling. enough, right? Because you do have to show that like 18 months differential, right? And so yeah, it was a parent who was told 

to tell her kid to stop coming to me for a while and then get her tested at school because then they will help her if she stops getting help.

The solution to get her help was to stop giving her help. And they're like, we won't help her as long as she's going to tutoring and keeping up and learning things.  

Oh my gosh. That is so frustrating. Well, those are bigger issues than you and I can fix. Yes, exactly. I know you're trying. 

I help as many kids as I can.

We love that about you. They don't even have to have a formal diagnosis for the kids that I work with because a 5, 000 test is not something I need. Like, I can't diagnose anyone officially, but I can tell you right away which kid does or doesn't have dyslexia. I just hand them off to a professional who has the degree that tells them they can do that. 

Yeah. But at this point, you know, you're one person, right? You always have a waiting list, right? Yeah. I know. That's why, that's why you get to work with adorable families. Honestly, like it is my favorite 

policy and my adorable families is not about what they look like. It is all about kindness. If you are rude and disrespectful, I don't have room for you. 

Yeah, exactly. And if you're, yeah, like we're here to help your kids, man. We all have the same goal. That's how we feel. In public education, we can't do that. Right. It's got to work with everyone.  So, is there anything, so if a teacher suspects now that we have a few more things to look at, then you know, go through the traditional IEP process, right?

Yeah. 

Maybe, does it, is, does it run in families? Can we ask? It does 

actually. 

Can 

we? Okay. 

So we could say we're kind of like, huh, some 

of the things I'm seeing. 

Okay. 

In fact, a lot of the kids I work with, their parents realized they had dyslexia when their kids get diagnosed because it wasn't really talked about, you know, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

And so I actually have had, you know, the kids whose parents are like big wig CEOs and founders of major companies, that the reason they're so successful is their brain works differently.  Success is actually one of the things that can come out of dyslexia. Either from pure grit and learning how to persevere when you fail a thousand times and you keep going for a thousand and one.

Or, you know, there's also the creativity that comes with dyslexia. There are huge advantages to dyslexia. Thinking differently allows you to think outside the box and do all these amazing things. But I've had some of these parents be like, Oh my god, I'm pretty sure I had dyslexia as a kid and I just didn't know it.

There's one big CEO who's like, Oh yeah, I used to cheat off my wife in high school. Cause like before they got married, they had been together for a really long time. And he goes, yeah, the only reason I passed high school and college is I would cheat off my wife or she'd help me with my essays in college. 

And so it's just things that people have coping strategies, like kids cheating in class. Sometimes it's a coping strategy, meaning that they can't do it on their own, so they have to find some other clever way.  

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of like really successful famous people who are dyslexic, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I do know that. Tell us a couple. Just throw a few out there. 

Steve Jobs,  inventor of Apple. 

Richard Branson. Steve.  No. Steve Jobs. I did not know that. I know that well, you know, being British,  Richard Branson, right? The Foundry Virgin, right? I know he's dyslexic. And 

he actually has this huge thing that he's started now is this dyslexic you that he's partnered with Made by Dyslexia.

And he's been doing a huge campaign on dyslexia awareness, especially for Dyslexia Awareness Month this month. It's actually been pretty awesome to watch. And we have a lot of actors like Keira Knightley is another British actress. And so a lot of people with really creative jobs, Muhammad Ali.

Actually couldn't really read and became a famous fighter and advocate for anti war and things like that.  And so there's a lot of really great people. They suspect Einstein.  So lots of brilliant people.  

Yeah. Okay. So that's overcoming some stereotypes, right? Right there. So tell us about, so it is so you work, you know, one on one with, with.

with families. So that's amazing. And it's in the you know, the kind of in the Silicon Valley. So, you know, that's not a lot of like, that's not going to be an opportunity for a lot of my listeners here. However, you do train teachers. You have something called Dyslexia Awareness Challenge happening this month, right?

Can you tell us about that? 

I created it for Dyslexia Awareness Month, but it is something that people can join at any time. People are listening to this podcast episode seven months down the road. It's totally fine. And it's at my website, parnelloeducation. com forward slash challenge. And it is a,  excuse me,  it is a five day email sequence where every day has one theme of the day.

And with that theme, there's a quick little one to two minute video from me, and something to make you aware of how dyslexia affects everyday life. And then there's also resources to go with every single day. So sometimes it's an article, sometimes it's a video, sometimes it is a special tool, and different, you know, technology, things like that.

So. Each day has a different theme and resources that come with it  and it's totally free and it's just a quick little short email with some resources and a challenge of something to think about for the day for five days and we've had over 200 people go through the challenge and really enjoy it and it's actually helped me learn more people with dyslexia because there's a little thing in there too because it asks you to hit reply and tell me what you discovered each day and I just love hearing some of those responses. 

Well, that is very cool. So I, I think that's an excellent resource. I am going to put the link in the show notes and let's see here. I don't know if there is anything else in particular you want to tell us, anything else that would surprise us about people with dyslexia like I feel like it's. Just the things that you've told, like left handed that has never, I'm thinking now, I had a student, I have to tell you, was left handed, his backpack exploded.

He like, Ooh, he's one of those kids that I would call my spiritual practice. But yeah, and now I'm really thinking about it because he did have excellent coping strategies. Like he did fly under the radar for a lot of different things. And now I'm thinking, huh, could it have been that? I thought a lot of it was ADHD and other things, right?

And but now putting all those pieces, you know, it's another piece of the puzzle, right?  Another piece of the puzzle. All right. Well, tell us if you, how can you help teachers?  Specifically, other than the challenge, if a teacher's listening and they're like, I'm just not educated enough in this area. Like, this is one of the frustrating things about teaching, right?

Like we got a, we got our initial credential how long ago, and then the PD that we get is based on whatever initiative, like the school district wants, and like, it's not really individualized, like, like one year ahead. A couple of kids who were really advanced, I had to go myself and like, go get some, take some classes in gifted and talented.

Like, like, you know,  I've had to go find my own stuff. So if there is a teacher out there, like, oh my gosh, I, you know, if it truly is one, five, one in seven,  

Yeah. I was at a K 12 school. 

They're in your classroom is what we're saying. These kids are in your classroom. So how can you help a teacher get more educated?

Absolutely. Yeah. I was in a K 12 school. So sometimes the initiatives would like align to the high school, but I was the kindergarten through second grade teacher that year. And I was like, yeah, this means nothing to me. Like this applies to none of my children. So I try to give a full gamut of resources for educators, because I try to reach as many people as possible.

That is really my goal, is to remove as many barriers as possible. I still have to pay my bills because, you know, have you ever tried to buy your own health insurance? It's a lot. But so there's a few different things. There's the podcast, Dyslexia Devoted. which is completely free. I think I'm at  117 episodes and counting, give or take. 

So there's well over a hundred episodes. You can listen to pick and choose different ones. I have some workshops that are available on demand. I did a bunch of them live last month, but I recorded them all so people can watch them on their own time now. So there's a dyslexia for beginners, little low cost workshop with just 37.

And then there's different ones on spelling booster workshops and writing boosters. So there's different ways to help kids with and without learning differences, get better at those skills. And then the big course I have for teachers is Educator's Guide to Dyslexia, which is the big one that has been really great to really help teachers learn all the things we never learned about dyslexia in school.

And so that is the other one. And I can give you a little promo code to give to your audience. I need to set it up and then I'll send it to you to get it, put it in your show notes so we can do a 20 percent promo code for any of your time. Yeah, that would be great. And then do you 

so obviously teachers themselves.

Sign up for this, but like, do you, like, if, if a teacher was to go to their admin and say, I really need more help with this. Like, do you accept purchase orders? Like,  like they can get.  

I don't have purchase orders, but I do have it where you can like buy it for somebody else. So there's a little like gift option.

So if the admin buys it, they can gift it to the teacher and that way it goes to their inbox. So they can send it to anybody. And then all of my workshops. They also have PD certificates that you can print out at the end. So like the Educator's Guide to Dyslexia, I think it's four and a half hours worth of PD.

And then the other workshops are all one hour workshops. And so they can print out a little certificate for that one hour of credit of PD hours, if it counts for, depending on different schools, they have different rules, of course. But they can print little certificates. Different credentialing. 

Yeah.

You need certain amount of hours per year. So, okay. So that is all fantastic. Okay. Well.  Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for educating us and me. Now I wish I could go back and do all those things differently. Like, oh my gosh, you know, right? I have those teachers too, 

those kids.  There's one kid named Max that I know from my third year teaching.

I keep thinking about Max to this day. I'm like, Oh, I know how to help him now. I didn't know back then. 

Oh, didn't know back then. And you know, it's kind of tragic that it all falls on the teacher. Like, how are we supposed to know all this? But, you know, I think Dyslexia Awareness Month again, like you said, high profile, highly successful people helping spread awareness, get rid of kind of any kind of maybe stigma that was attached to that you know, is just really, really, really helpful.

So I am going to put all of Lisa's information inside the show  notes. And I will give you the promo code to put in the show notes as well too. Perfect. But of course, if you're listening to this podcast, you're a podcast listener. So the easiest thing for you to do, dyslexia devoted that in, and I got to tell you, she's really good at keeping short, actionable episodes because I listen and I'm a fan.

All right. Well, thank you so much. All right, everybody. I hope you found this helpful and until next time, you know what I'm going to say, create your own path and bring your own sunshine. 

Thanks for having me.