The Twin Therapists Podcast
Drs. Jude and Julius Austin, identical twin brothers, lift the curtain on the "doing" of psychotherapy. With unwavering honesty, raw vulnerability, and unwavering compassion for the complexities of the human condition, they illuminate the path for both fledgling clinicians and seasoned professionals alike. The Twin Therapists podcast is your gateway to a world where healing meets humanity, leaving no stone unturned in the relentless pursuit of understanding the depths of the human soul.
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Empathy Wins Over Rigid Rules in Education
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Imagine a world where podcasting hurdles and academic pressures collide in a whirlwind of humor and insight. That's the reality we tackle in this episode as we brainstorm zany product ideas like a scent named "Burnout" and a unique retreat for therapists. Amid the laughter, we address mid-semester stress and plan a faculty and student Halloween bash, always mindful of the tightrope walk between professionalism and building connections with students. Our playful banter sets the stage for a deeper exploration of the educational journey from undergraduate to graduate studies, where students rise to the challenge of active participation, even when it means questioning their instructors.
The pressures of academia, particularly during those frantic October days, become a canvas for contrasting teaching philosophies. Some educators enforce strict deadlines and formats, while others champion the value of genuine relationships, sharing personal tales of how empathy can transform student experiences. Listen in as we recount the story of a student who pushed himself to the brink, prompting reflections on the importance of balancing demands with understanding and care. The discussion underscores the need for meaningful engagement over rote adherence to rigid academic rules.
Our vision for structured professional development groups emerges as a solution for those seeking community and mentorship in the counseling world. With a touch of humor, we dream of inviting guests like Yalom to enrich our gatherings, all while candidly acknowledging the workload involved. From modern dating anecdotes to the necessity of accountability in our lives, we wrap up with a commitment to reconnecting with our listeners soon. This episode promises laughter, insight, and a reimagined approach to education and professional growth, all served with a side of wit and warmth.
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Podcast Banter and Student Feedback
Speaker 1all right , can you hear me ? Yeah , can you hear me ? Can you hear me ? Yeah , yeah , I just want to make sure that , uh , that , uh , there there's no lag or anything , because sometimes , man , I've been noticing that doing podcasts or work or anything on my MacBook Air , sometimes it can be a little slow . Yeah , and when your computer is running slow like Jesus , why don't you go ahead and get Roto Computer ? It clears all your hard drives . I'm just practicing , dog , I'm just practicing .
Speaker 1When we eventually get some type of sponsorship or something , that would be nice , some kind of incentive to keep going on , some type of incentive , man , you mean with the podcast or just in life in general , you pick , you know . Okay , speaking of incentive , have you tried the new scent from ? It's called Depression , be Gone . It's called Burnout , burnout , depression , be gone . It's called burnout . It's a scent adequately named . It's a nice give . A nice spritz of abandon . All hope . Yeah , a nice spritz . Two spritz a day keeps the hope alive . And for $25 a day you could support your local therapist .
Speaker 1Cue the song in the arms Therapy garden . That's what I'm going to do , man . I'm going to have a specific practice geared towards therapists who are burnt out and I'm going to call it take them out back Over the hill . Yeah , I know , just call it the pasture . You can call it sweeping another rug , a bunch of 45 plus year old therapists coming to the come . Come to the pasture . You get modest , modest care . You call it the farm , yeah , but this is this is . This is , um , not a joke . This is a cry for help . Yeah , this is this , is , that's what this is . If you were wondering , this is what that sounds like . Yeah , yeah , we make a lot of this stuff . But , uh , yeah , we are . It's a serious deal , jay , it's . How would you say that ? You underwater , drowning . Um , train water , train water . It's the middle of the semester . Y'all send help , send help . Anyway , I'm holding on to this . I'm holding on to this faculty and student halloween party , like it's a life raft .
Speaker 1Man , those mixes , we got to mix it tonight . Yeah , we got to mix it tonight . Man , I think probably look a it . I think our mixers look a little different . Public school mixers , yeah , I mean , y'all be mixing something . Yeah , you can't bring your kids to this mixer . This ain't family friendly . Yeah , anyway , man , we had to make some rules for Halloween costumes , just like , no whole booty cheeks out , just no whole booty cheeks . Yeah . Yeah , that's where you're at . That's the type of professionalism y'all carry . Yeah , it gets raunchy up in there , man , wow , yeah , yeah , yeah . Shout out to all the raunchy students listening to this podcast All right , yeah . Shout out to all the raunchy students listening to this podcast All right , man , do better , be better , be better . Let's get this thing started , hey , hey , hey . Welcome back to the cast . Y'all . It's another cast .
Speaker 1You got a little check-in , a little topic and a little check-out . This is going to be a quick one , because Jude had to put gas this morning before he started this thing . Because Jude had to put gas this morning before he started this thing . We're supposed to start at 8 pm sharp , 8 am maybe . I called him 8 am sharp . That's how dumb you are , jude . I said no , listen . I said I called him at 7.58 talking about you ready . He said yeah , just after I get out of bed , put some clothes on . I said what ? Oh no , I'm almost there . I'm almost there . I'm just first . Let me wake up , let me get my cup of coffee . For somebody so structured , I don't know why it's 834 and 53 seconds right now , and we just started this thing .
Speaker 1Yeah , man , hey , man , hey , hey , hey , I heard it from started this thing . Yeah , man , hey , man , hey , hey , hey , I heard it from students this week . Oh , yeah , I heard it , man , what did you hear ? You see , dog , that's the drawback of having a deep , rich , thick relationship with your students , man , okay , you know , and I know they're listening , I know that the word thick just sounds very unethical , but , yeah , keep going . You got to bring it there , man . I mean , I'm just talking about the girth of the relationship , but , yeah , it's not no better , there's no better . That's not a no better word . No , man , not for real . I heard it from him today , man , this weekend , this week yeah , but that's a drawback man . I heard it from him today , man , this week yeah , but that's a drawback man .
Speaker 1You build these relationships based off of honesty and vulnerability . You know , and you share with them your heart . You know your soul . You talk about your family and your kids and your hopes and your dreams , you know . And then they stomp on it . You know , yeah , they stomp on it with feedback . What did they say , man ? What kind of feedback did they have ?
Speaker 1I think what you meant to say was how did they hurt me ? Oh , okay , yeah , I'm sorry . Yeah , tell me how the big bad students hurt you . Tell me how they said that . My , that they said G is that I don't respond to emails fast enough and also my course is a mess . That's what they said . Wow , and you know what hurts the most , giaz , what it came from my favorite student . Well , he's no longer the favorite . Nah , man , they were completely honest and completely true and completely right . Yeah , yeah , but you know that's what you get .
Speaker 1You know , burning the midnight oil , trying to trying to soak up the university's funds ? No , by working , by working two jobs at the same time . Yeah , that's what it is . And I go . I was like , yeah , you know , I'm just busy , man , I got a couple jobs at the university and one student goes . And whose fault is that ? And who made that choice ? Now , listen G . No , listen , man .
Teaching Challenges and Student Needs
Speaker 1It be the ones you care the most about that hurt you , the ones you love the most . You know , because we just did choice reality therapy last week and they turned it against me . You know . You know what I mean . I would say that's well deserved . It's like you teach your kids how to cut a banana with a knife and then they take that knife and stab you in the heart . You know , like , that's what it's like . Geez , yeah , no , no , I think you are taking it as a stabbing in the heart , but I think what the students meant to say was , like this is a cry for help for us . We are suffering , we are suffering , we are suffering . No , no , no , no , but for real , for real , for real , uh , and you have abandoned us .
Speaker 1It was kind of dope man . It was kind of dope like yeah , you know you felt , did you felt fussed ? Did you feel ? No , I felt I felt proud . I felt proud . Oh , yeah , yeah , man , yeah , because you know , like , like , like every student goes through this , you know , and I know your students do too .
Speaker 1In that first year , like , they get that transition from undergrad to graduate school oh yeah , I had one the other day . And in graduate school , I mean in undergrad , in undergrad , you're such a passive passenger on the educational experience . You know , I mean we talked about this in the cast before but , like you know , a student is a graduate student when they are like active and not in that annoying , like anxious , like I have my priorities wrong and I'm trying to get a 4.0 for my ego type stuff . I have to get a 4.0 for my ego type yeah , yeah , type stuff . I have to get a 4.0 . Yeah , because you know like some of that stuff comes from ego , you know , and like you know , it's like that's immature , you know , yeah , but when somebody , but when , when , when a student feels free enough to be like hey , yo , like yeah , you know , I'm not , I'm something's missing some , something's missing from what you know , yeah , and , and they were completely right , you know , and um and uh , I don't know if you're , I don't know if you , you experience the yard use canvas or the yard use something else . No , we use moodle , moodle , okay , talk . So with canvas they , um , you could do course copies , you know , yeah , and talk . I don't know what the limit of iterations are , but I'm on like iteration like eight or nine of a course and I've made changes . But we do this thing called simple syllabi which kind of tracks a bunch of things and keeps things together , you know , but what I found since we've gotten that is that when you course copy dog , just random stuff from other iterations of the class will just like sit in assignments , you know , and I'll have like quizzes that are like uploaded but not populated with questions .
Speaker 1Dog and the students . Dog , they're like hey , man , hey , I'm trying to get through it , but there's some resistance . Yeah , yeah , yeah , but , dog , I don't know I feel proud of , yeah , yeah , type of like yeah , get immature . Just , you know , yeah , like , yeah , you know , I , I need to get a full part and all , because I always told my dad and he said he would never , and then I said I would and I'm doing like so can you please grade those , simon , because I need , come on . So can you please grade those , siren , because I need to know what the grade is , because I , come on , I get it , I get it , I get it , and also , the grades don't matter .
Speaker 1How many times do we have to say it ? Like , if you're a full-blown student but suck as a therapist , you wasted your money . You know like , yeah , you wasted your whole family's time . Yeah , wasted a dream . Come on , man , you wasted your money . You know like , yeah , you wasted your whole family's time . Yeah , wasted a dream . Come on , man , you wasted everybody else's time . Nah , but yeah , bro , I felt fussed , man , I felt fussed , yeah .
Speaker 1So , um , I had the opposite , the opposite reaction not fuss , but like , yeah , well , I was just in class and I was like , hey , man , like there's so much information in this lifespan class , yeah , to where ? Like I can't . There's like the semesters and it's we're in the middle of the semester . Our lifespan sucks to teach .
Speaker 1Yeah , man , I'm trying to make sure that you get all the information , but like it's viewed out , you know , so like what I need to start doing now is like cherry picking from chapters and like , uh , and combining chapters together . Yeah , so that way you can , so that way we can like get through the text and the material and have more like important , in-depth discussions . Yeah , yeah , like more , more , more , like rewarding discussions and more rewarded , so that it doesn't , so that it doesn't feel like you're just cramming information , just , and that's what it felt it's . It's felt like that for the whole first half of the semester , like I'm just like cramming information in for the students , you know , and like , even when I'm up there , I'm like , bro , I'm , there's no way I'm getting through this , through this powerpoint . I'm like , why are we doing this power ? Why are we covering this ? Why are we talking about this ?
Speaker 1Then I had one . There's a couple of students who were like , well , how is that going to ? So what chapter are we on ? Where are we going to ? So how are we going to ? So what do I have to read for next week ? I was like , hey , man , are you reading these chapters cover to cover ? Are you going chapter by chapter and like really reading this stuff , you know ? And they're looking at me like yeah , I'm not supposed to be doing that , you know and don't . When they said that the whole class was like , no , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , but granted their first year , first semesters . And I have some other , like you know , some other students who are like like graduating , but that's crazy , I'll do that to y'all students . Yeah , yeah , yeah , that's diabolical . Y'all mix them up like that .
Speaker 1But you remember we were in some mixed classes when we were at UMHB . Yeah , only because our program was going through some transition . What ? No , the psychopharmacology class . Yeah , we had a bunch of classes where it was just like a mixed core , I know . But because we , because , remember , remember , we lost all those students and so we had to . You know , you can have , you can have classes y'all don't have , y'all don't have no mixed school . No , how big are y'all's cohorts 30 , 30 , oh , okay . Okay , yeah , we got 30 students in the core man , 25 to 30 students in a cohort and we have an afternoon class and an evening class basically , but it's the same cohort and they matriculate through the program together . Yeah , we don't have like a .
Speaker 1I mean , I love it . I love the fact that it's a mixed cohort in lifespan , because you get just different perspectives . You get perspectives like you got when I shifted the course . The student's going like wait , so then what am I supposed to do ? And one student was just like hey , I get why you're doing that , but chill , do you think that your class like ?
Speaker 1In my experience it felt like the students like the way that the course was set up , you know it , it actually didn't allow them to be their chillest self . You know the way that , the way that my course was set up , is that it actually triggered anxiety . No , I think these , I think these anxiety . No , I think these , I think these , and so like we kind of talked about it in class and some of these students were like this is my first time taking I don't come from a psych , like a psychology background , so like I have I have no idea who Piaget is . Like I have no idea what you know . Uh , uh , what like any of this stuff is you know . So , like you know , um , I like I need to know it all , you know . And like so the students are like , nah , you don't , you don't actually need to know it all . Yeah , you know . Like there's , there's no way you're gonna know it all .
Speaker 1And and even if you did know it all , it won't help you out there in the therapy room . You know , like this information is like supplemental information to like for you to really understand , like the , maybe the background of a client's issue . Yeah , right , and maybe like piece some stuff together based on the client's story . But like you got to go in there and like get the client's story in order to like use this information . So if you can't build a relationship , then you can't really use this information , you know . So it's like kind of keep this information in the background of your thoughts , like , yeah , understand what , what erickson's psychosocial stages are , yeah , but you know . But like you're not going to go in there , yeah , because you're not going to go in session and say , hey , just so you , so you know you're in the , you know identity versus whatever Rarely , like rarely , do you do that ?
Speaker 1It rarely happens . Yeah , I mean , you may understand that , but you know , and I think there's a combination of the students having like little idea of what therapy looks like and also coming from this like fear-based mentality about the education . Yeah , but like , if I don't , the only way I'm gonna , the only way I can quell my anxiety , is if I feel somewhat prepared . And feeling somewhat prepared it's like going chapter by chapter in the class and sticking with the readings and sticking with the . You know , and I get it , I get it Totally . I wasn't like that . It's just not sustainable . I wasn't like that . Yeah , it's not sustainable . I wasn't like that . And I think one of the reasons why I wasn't like that was because I expected to fail . Oh , yeah , I think students don't expect that the client doesn't want help when they come to therapy .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know it's like a . It's like a . You know it's like an ox , not an oxymoron , but like something like that . You know what I mean . Yeah , I don't know what you're talking about . No , let me , just let me keep going . No , I don't . I think it's like a . No , I know what it is . It's a Uno reverse . No , I think you need to take a step back and start to reconsider some of the life choices . Yeah , yeah , yeah , it's like a Uno reverse .
Speaker 1I don't know how you got to this point in your career or life . No , because you think , and you know , because you put , like a red card down . Let me stop you . And your red card is , like you know , theoretical . You've had enough . No , you've given the audience enough . This is , I'll tell you , I'll tell you about it in class , I'll tell you they're straying down the pastor right now , down the pastor somewhere . No , but but but .
Building Relationships to Navigate Grad School
Speaker 1But , yeah , you know you , you come into it and and it's , it's October , man , I mean it's . It's like you know , you know it's like stress , assignments are being due . You know students about what we're assessing . You know because , like , yeah , like in that first year , I mean your grades . I mean it's not that the grades don't matter , but that is like , maybe the bottom , yeah , that's like the last thing we are like paying attention to . We're not even really paying attention to . Like , are you turning in your assignments on time ?
Speaker 1I mean , to be fair , there's some professors who , like , that's their focus and they need to do that . Their focus is like APA . Like I'm the APA guru around here . I like to make sure that you're doing APA . I'm the APA guru around here . I like to make sure that you're doing APA and you're following , because you're going to need APA and I have my rubric when you're doing your clinical assessments at your internship site . They're going to want you to space the period AGs . Amen , amen . Those professors suck , suck .
Speaker 1I if I , if you are one of those professors and you're listening to this podcast , if you are one of those professors and you and you think that you have a clear argument of like , why you're so focused on apa and why you're so focused on APA and why you're so focused on like assignment due dates . Just know , everyone hates you . Yep , all of the students talk about you behind your back . Yes , like , it's one of the worst classes . Like , several of your students have asked to move to the next section of the course and you think that one day they're going to appreciate it . They never do , we never do , we never do .
Speaker 1You are always remembered as that professor who cared about trivial things instead of me as a person , which is why you're teaching career and lifespan . And they won't give you a practicum and internship course . They won't give it to you . You're teaching research and you want to give me a practicum course ? Because ain't nobody in there trying to worry about the word count on a soap ? Nobody's trying to say , oh well , word count on a soap . Yeah , man , you know like nobody . Nobody's trying to say , oh well , you got 143 indirect hours . I need to see exactly what you're doing for indirect hours , what that's that professor dog like what ? I don't wait , let me just double check . If listening to podcasts is an indirect hour , let me call board . I'll get back to you next time . Hold on , let me count . Oh my God .
Speaker 1But no , I just feel like the students , and I think that's how we survived , because we expected to fail the coursework . We knew . We knew that we weren't going to do well in the coursework , and so what we did was was that we built a genuine relationship with the faculty . Yeah , and that's what I mean by like , bro I'm looking for . When you're struggling in the semester , do you come to me , do you shoot me an email and say , hey , this is what's going on , man . Hey , look , I know this assignment is due , but I don't need an extra week because my kid's going through something . Look , I got it , though , I'm going to turn it in .
Speaker 1Or if you have some trouble with an assignment , you come to my office and then you have questions Maybe you even did an outline , you know what I mean Instead of coming and saying like , hey , bro , I , I can't . Bro , there was one student man , I'm not gonna , I'll say his name , whatever . Uh , this one student , ryan man , who shot me an email , you know , was like hey , I forget the context of the email , but it was like I'm basically I've been working for 48 hours . Yeah , you know , oh , I remember you telling me this story . Yeah , it's like , hey , man , I can't turn , I can't , I can't get the assignment to you . Like I'm , you know , and I was like first off , like , take care of yourself , this assignment , the assignment to you . And I was like , first off , take care of yourself , this assignment is secondary to you , like drinking water and sleeping , turn it in whenever you can .
Speaker 1But he didn't get the email , he didn't open the email before he put an all-nighter to finish the assignment . So he comes in and the assignment's turning and I'm like , how did you get this done ? He's like I stayed up's . He is pounding bottles of water . Yeah , I mean last . Yeah , you know , I'm like I was . I'm pissed . Yeah , I'm like what are you doing ? What are you doing ? What are you doing ? You don't have to . I , I get it and I appreciate the tenacity , yeah , you know .
Speaker 1But , like , this is not , this is not the type of program we're running here . Yeah , we're not running a 24 hour up at night trying to finish assignment . Yeah , look , I get it . It's out of respect for me , it's out of respect for the course . I get it . Man , he's that type of man . I get it .
Speaker 1But I was sitting back there seething . Yeah , yeah , I'm like , hey , man , don't you know I care about you . Yeah , man , like I care about you way more than this assignment , and I think that's the thing . It's like you want to have the type of relationship with the students to where they don't stress about the assignments because they trust you . Yeah , you know what I mean . Don't stress about it . You know what I mean . If you complete this assignment , this assignment is for you . It's trust you . Yeah , you know what I mean . Don't stress about it . You know what I mean . If you complete this assignment , this assignment is for you , it's for you . You're not getting an F on the assignment . If you like , really got something , yeah . But I understand that , like , students have come into graduate school socialized . You know what I mean to like , you know , and maybe , maybe , in that , hold on y'all , hold on , hold on , hold on , wait , hold on .
Speaker 1It's those Marlboro's I smoked before . Before , a couple of years , you had to top off a glass of whiskey before jumping into this podcast . My third pack , my third pack today . Nah , man , you remember . You remember Dr Stotts ? We had this professor , dr Stotts , who used to take a 20-minute smoke break . Every 20 minutes , man , she'd come in with her little e-sexes . Draw a draw . Listen , baby .
Speaker 1When I used to work in Austin , I used to be a comedian . I don't do it like that , you know she used to sound like an angel man . She used to sound like Paula Jean . You know she used to sound like an angel man . She used to sound like Paula Jean . Oh , man , anyway . But yeah , I mean , you know , I understand that . You know students and we did too , you know .
Speaker 1But I think we had to get it how we lived , because we came in with a G , we came in a probation . We talked about this plenty of times . Yeah , yeah , yeah , we came in limpid , yeah , but so we had to rely on relationships and I think that made us go into classes going like , oh , they won't let me fail . I have to try to fail . You know what I mean . I have to allow my life circumstances to be in such a way that I can't pass now , now , now , I think the program is like that now , but I think when we went through the program , yeah , dr ballard would let you fall on your sword , like she would . You know , hey , man , if you don't pass theories , yeah , I'm not letting you into these other courses . Yeah , that's true , you know , and that's true , you know .
Speaker 1You remember that time when we had that one student who , like , went in the to practicum , yeah , and he saw his first client and he didn't say a word . Yeah , nobody came knocking on the door , nobody tried to pull him out of session . I remember that session . Nobody helped him , they just let him fail . I remember that , yeah , we all watched live and in color . Live and in color . You said that was a lesson .
Speaker 1I remember being in the supervision room like , can somebody help him ? Somebody go in there , somebody go in there , get him out there . Not like this , not like this . No , this is not supposed to happen . This is what's supposed to go , and professors sitting next to you , like you see , you see what happens when you go in there unprepared . Yeah , you see what happens when you don't listen . Yeah , hey , man , this . But this profession is not for everyone and you guys are getting a clear-cut example of a , of a , of an ill fit . This is what it looks like .
Speaker 1You know , like I was like what this is , this is , this is what happens when you don't do the work . Yeah , when you think you know you go in , brother , you have this like cloak , this cloak of invisibility or this cloak of invinci . Think , you know , you go in and you have this like cloak , this cloak of invisibility or this cloak of invincibility , you know . And then when you see somebody get popped in a in a face by a client , you're like hold on , that can happen , wait , that can happen to us . All right , man , all right , listen , listen , listen . I got like three minutes . I got got to get to this meeting man .
Speaker 1Hey , we didn't even check in or nothing . No , it's fine , wait , no , I want to mention stuff before we go . I want to mention some big news . What you want to mention Some big news , man , what you want to mention ? Julius said that he was going to do . What did I say I was going to do ? Nah , man , we've been thinking about doing this . I don't like this . We've been thinking about doing this thing and it's all our ideas . We didn't get it from anybody but ourselves . Nah , we got some of the listeners have been writing in . Yeah , we got some listener emails , man , and talking about some of their needs , some of the things that they want they got to have , they got to have , and one of those things is more time with us you know , specifically me , but with Jews . And so , yeah , man , so we are going to start this . What do we call it ? Jews ?
Speaker 1Twin Therapist Learning Academy . Twin Therapist Learning Academy for the ungifted clinicians , for the ungifted and unmotivated . Yeah , yeah , I think that's what we call it , you know ? No , no , no , it was ungifted , unmotivated and jaded . Yeah , you remember One of those gifted students ? I got to get into the gifted classes because I'm smart . Yeah , well , this is for the ungifted , unmotivated and jaded . Yeah , man , you can . Even you , can we even accept pre-jaded clinicians pre-jaded ? Have you got ? You got the prerequisite of uh , yeah , of burnout . No , um , yeah , these learn a nice , a nice burnout smell . Yeah , we're thinking about starting these learning groups and mentorship groups , man , starting in January . We're going to have it open like signups , open like November 15th , on our website .
Speaker 1Julius is going to say more about the information on the website , because I don't remember the website's name . Hold on , what is that ? God ? Hold on one second . I don't remember the website's name . Hold on , what is that ? God ? Hold on One second . Let me Twin Therapist . I think it's the Twin Therapist , the Twin Therapistcom . Hold on , give me one second . Just Google this Cue some music man . Yeah , it's called the twintherapistcom . Yeah , that's our website . Okay , the twintherapistcom .
Speaker 1We'll have some updated information about the courses . But I mean this is really going to be more of like a community-based thing . Yeah , not like a class . We're going to have different tiers . We're going to talk about some real stuff . You remember the tier structure that we talked about ? I don't remember , but we'll put it on the website .
Professional Development Group Structure
Speaker 1But I think the ideal is we're going to do these semester-long groups right , but we have 16 weeks . 16 weeks , we have about six to eight people in a group . We can have multiple groups , if we need to times that workout , and we're going to have a couple of different focuses . We'll have some focuses , maybe , for graduate students . We'll have some focus for new professionals , and then we'll have PLPCs , our LPC associates , and then we'll have some focuses for some groups , for more advanced clinicians , where we do consultation and talk about theory .
Speaker 1Um and uh , yeah , all all of it is going to be geared towards building community , connecting people and , uh , and just like I don't know man , having a good time . So , yeah , so this is going to be structured like . It's not going to be one of those like open groups where you just like kind of come in and we're like , okay , so what do you want to talk about ? Yeah , now , this is we're going to have like a syllabi and like you know what we , what we want to cover , it's not going to be PowerPoint based but there's going to be more conversational , didactic , but there's going to be some resources , yeah , and we have some like guest speakers , you know , or Yalom to come in , or Yalom yeah , or Yalom yep to come in and do some guest spots and talk about , like the process of therapy , even some business associates to talk about the business of counseling , you know , yeah , or even some of our own graduate students to come in and talk about , like the graduate student process . Yeah , man , new graduates , you know . So like , yeah , just stuff like that .
Speaker 1Yeah , pertinent information for each group , and I think , like the ideal of it is , you know , at least for me and I know for you too , julius , is that we Money , huh , money , money , money . That's the yeah , make it , get it . No , allowing them to make money , no , try to fleece these jokers for all the money they got , reach into your pockets and give me all your money . I don't think , I think that's helpful right now , jesus , yep , uh , yeah , that's what we're after . Yeah , okay , um , yeah , anyway , uh , just so , you know , that's the undercurrent , that's the undercurrent on the current motivation for you , yeah , of the ungifted , and I mean like I gotta , I gotta go , I gotta go to this meeting man , but but I , but I think , like what we recognize was that not everybody , everybody , has not had an awesome training experience . Yeah , I think that's the most political way , you know , and most and a lot of people haven't had the greatest supervision experience . Yep , and a lot of people haven't had the greatest practicing experience . Yeah , like the transition from like under supervision to like now you're out there in the world and so , of course , like , we'll provide some information , share some of our stories , you know , have a cause .
Speaker 1Cause , all of this stuff is books that we've , that we've written , and books that we're going to write , you know . But I think , more than anything , it's maybe providing a little bit of a corrective emotional experience , you know where , like people , I think more . I think I mean , yeah , we joke about the money stuff , but like , I think it's more for us to For sure , to kind of create , it's more for us to for sure , for sure , yeah , for sure , and it feels like . It feels like our community here . You know , uh , listeners and stuff have been rocking with us for a long time , since the beginning , and this is stuff that they've wanted , you know . It's like you know , uh , and so we got to get the people what they want , yeah , so hopefully no one signs up so we don't have to actually do this . But you know , we just figured we'd offer it . But you suck at advertising stuff , man , I know . I just man , as we're talking about it , I'm like , geez , this sounds like a lot of work , man . How it's not a lot of work . Look , okay , yo don't go out and sign up for this as usual . Don't , please do it as usual . As usual , I'll do all of the work and I'll structure it and I'll provide everybody with everything that they need . And Jews will show up and just go off the rails , off the dome freestyle Black Thought style bars . Yeah , yeah , yeah , and it won't make any sense . And then I'll explain it to y'all what he means . Yep , don't , don't let me out of the cage , cause I'm gonna say , I'm gonna say some stuff , that's , I might put your careers in jeopardy . Luckily , this won't be recorded , so , um , maybe , anyway , all right , man , hey , look , jesus , it was nice talking to you . Hey , don't be playing on my phone .
Speaker 1Today I got a lot of stuff to do . I'm busy . I'm busy , but I'm pressed for time . I'm already four minutes late for a meeting . I'm about to take my daughter on a picnic . You see , some of us got to work . Y'all see what I'm talking about . No , no , y'all see what I'm talking about , you know , because you know why , listeners , because
Spontaneous Date Planning and Accountability
Speaker 1he don't have no grace .
Speaker 1He said , daddy . She said , daddy , when are you going to take me out on a date . I was like hey , tomorrow , meet me here . I don't know how she's going to get there , but you know that's up to her , right . I told I'm not picking her up . Yeah , no , man , you don't do . Nah , she gotta learn independent . Independent now , that's what you wanted . No , I'm going on a picnic . You can come if you want . Anyway , man , all right , hey , we'll see y'all . We'll see y'all in three or four weeks , whenever you deem it appropriate to do . Another cat , nah , man , we need to be better about this , man . We need to be more structured . We'll see y on November . Alright , let me stop this , you .
