The Twin Therapists Podcast
Drs. Jude and Julius Austin, identical twin brothers, lift the curtain on the "doing" of psychotherapy. With unwavering honesty, raw vulnerability, and unwavering compassion for the complexities of the human condition, they illuminate the path for both fledgling clinicians and seasoned professionals alike. The Twin Therapists podcast is your gateway to a world where healing meets humanity, leaving no stone unturned in the relentless pursuit of understanding the depths of the human soul.
The Twin Therapists Podcast
Helping students understand what "is" instead of "why"
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On the education front, we're pulling back the curtain on generational shifts that are reshaping classrooms. Can AI be the secret ingredient that keeps Gen Z and Gen Alpha students engaged? From AI-generated mock clients to an in-depth chat about the necessity of evolving teaching methods, we're exploring why understanding the 'why' is crucial for today's learners. Listen as I recount my own journey as an educator, sharing personal insights and experiences from navigating the ever-changing academic landscape and bridging the gap between the generations.
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Balancing Personal and Professional Life
Speaker 2hey y'all , welcome back to the cast man . It's a long time , no see . It's been like 22 days since the last time we uh , we cast it I've been here ready .
Speaker 2I've been ready I've been available , I've been present , but it's been . It's been jude . Uh , it's jude's fault . I decided you know what I decided like I'm gonna stop hounding him to like hey , man , we got a cast , we got to find a time , we got to cast . I'm just going to let him come to me and the other day , lo and behold , he was like hey , can you cast on Tuesday , wednesday or Thursday ? What times can you cast ?
Speaker 1I was like hey what times can I cast ?
Speaker 2Oh , we still doing this .
Speaker 1I was looking for co-hosts I'm sorry , I I didn't know , I didn't know you were still , I don't know .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , we got that . We got a nine to five . We're here talking about what time can you cast , yeah ? I'm like a feral cat . I'm like a feral cat . You know , once you put milk out , you know I'm home now yeah , some people say maybe like disease , written rabies , written cat , but yeah , sure same same , same , same man no I just , I actually I actually heard some feedback from some of my students and fans and people in the community you know , saying , hey , you guys still doing that still .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know , it's a shame , you should feel ashamed . We've been busy bro , we've been busy , we've been busy , too busy to talk .
Speaker 2You know what it is , dog , it's hard , man , it's hard I mean it's harder than it should be to find time to do the cast . No , I get it . You're talking to somebody who I just got into this whole like realm of like , oh , 10 hours a week as a faculty , like wow , this is crazy . Like I just got here . You've been there for six , seven years , you know . Yeah , I remember there was times where you were like dang bro , you can't find like a couple minutes to work . I was like no dog , I can't , there's no time . There's no time .
Speaker 1He's like dang bro , dang man .
Speaker 2Well , listen , man , I don't have time for this . I don't have time for this . I'm pressed for time , man . So what do you want to talk to me about ? There we go , there we go bro you see , what have you brought to me ? What ?
Speaker 1do you have to offer ? What do you have to offer ?
Speaker 2Well , we got a lot to talk about man . It's like the end of the semester here . There's a whole bunch of stuff that happened this semester that I feel like we really need to touch on . Man , some personal stuff , some professional stuff and also , just like you know , kind of like , what did you learn from your students , you know , over the semester ? Is there any one thing that like kind of stood out , you know to ?
Speaker 1you man yeah .
Speaker 2so let's just , let's just start with like the professional stuff , man , just like in , like a , you know , because I know it's hard for you to stop yapping , you know . So just , you know , keep it brief . You know I might play some music underneath you talking here . What's been going on for you personally , bro , what's been happening ? I thought you said professionally .
Speaker 2No personally , personally , personally , yeah , professionally , thought you said professionally . No , personally , personally , professionally . Personally , personally , god jesus , personally , uh , nothing man , nothing , nothing bro , nothing bro , it's been , it's been good man , just chilling . Uh , the kids , uh , not really man , we just been , we're steady , just steady state man just floating the boat , bro . I mean the semester's going good , especially for the kids .
Speaker 2Shiloh started walking this semester . Well , yeah , he started walking , you know , but that was going to happen , you know that was going to happen . He started running , you know , Turn the corners quick . You know he's getting into it with his brothers , you know . Hey , I don't know if I said this in the last cast , but man them boys been fine . Yeah , megan , that's the cost . Megan said do it for the thanksgiving holiday . She had woke up . When you were , you were up with the , with the kids .
Speaker 2You know because your kids wake up at right four on four five six , forty five every morning , every single morning 6 45 .
Speaker 2She was like they were scrapping , scrapping , scrapping by by the chris grapping I'm going at it brad , brad , because , seriously , man , because , like you know , they get out , they get out of bed and they start from 10 . They start at 10 dog . So that day , that day , um , we had shiloh in in the room or something , and so I was sleeping on the sofa , or something like that , and the kids woke up , came out and woke me up , and then Megan woke up . And so Megan was like , hey , look , I'm up anyway , why don't you go get some sleep ? I was like all right , cool , you know . So I said to the kids hey , can y'all turn on the Christmas lights ? And Kian said I got it . And Valen said no , I got it . So they ran dove on it .
Speaker 2Now , listen , kian likes to talk , he wants to talk things out , he wants to be like wait , let's talk about this , and you go , you did it last time . Valen does not like to do that . Dog Valen just starts throwing hands , wow . And so when Kian is like you know , like wait , like you did it last time , let me do it this time , and he clicked on the light , dog Valen was just like it's my time . He just starts swinging on Kian dog and seriously , he lands one or two hits . Yeah .
Speaker 2Megan said he got a couple good ones in , got a couple good ones in dog before Kian realizes that it's not time for talking . Yeah , put that away . It's time to defend yourself . It's fisticuff time . It's fisticuff time . It's fisticuff time , you know . But by that time , like Valentine already hit him in the eye , hit him in the nose . I mean , that's what's been happening over there . It's just not jabs , it's straight up haymakers . I'm trying to put you back to sleep . Yeah , yeah , yeah , good morning , good night . I'm going to be clicking this button and he's gonna be in the corner . Yeah , hit it with that truman show . Good afternoon and good night , in case I don't see you . Yeah , bro , trying to send that man back to bed , she said .
Speaker 2She said you was like okay , all right , okay , all right now y'all both got some good shots in that's exactly what I said and set them down and I was like , okay , hey , hey , look , hey , y'all both got some good shots in good shots .
Speaker 1Got some good shots in .
Speaker 2I was
Sibling Rivalry and Family Dynamics
Speaker 2like keen . You definitely , definitely need to keep your hands up and violent like you can't swing wild man . If you want to hit somebody , you got to hit them . You can't be , don't ? That's too much air in between you and the other person you know , now listen , y'all can't be hitting each other in the face , you know , and y'all have to hug , yeah , kiss , each other right where you hit the other person . Nope , you got to get every spot because it's hurt .
Speaker 1Every spot , every spot and then when they finish kissing each other at noon .
Speaker 2Then that's when , nah brother , they just start laughing , man , because they don't want to do it . And then I make them hug each other , and if they don't hug , then I smash them together and pick them up . Yeah , you know , it's never more than that , you know , and it's just for that . Quick second dog . But man , quick second dog , but man , it'd be intense . But it'd be intense like stuff , like kean sitting on on the he's kneeling down and valent wants him to do something and kean goes like no , you know , it's my turn , or something , and valent just kicks him in the face you know , bro , bro , bro kicks him in the face , kean , bro , kean rolls with it , sweeps his leg and then slaps him in the face and it's like , and I'm in front and it's happening so fast .
Speaker 2I'm just like , hey , when did this turn to this Dog ? I have no idea . Hey , come at me , I don't care , I'm a trained therapist . They're , hey , sometimes the flowery language and the hands don't go to hands , and the face and the fingers don't the flowery language and the hands don't go . The hands and the face and the fingers don't go there , and that's not what we do with the hair . Hey , man , hey , I don't know what kids ? I don't know what kids you raising , but my kids be scrapping yeah it's not , even it's unavoidable .
Speaker 2I mean , I mean not all , mean , not all the time , not all the time , but probably once a week . Once a week , it's like a , it's like a whoa , yeah , whoa . And look , aj , I'm serious 10 seconds , that's all it is . Yeah , yeah , 10 seconds . They start crying and then they both hug each other , crying . Yeah , it's just like what are y'all doing ? I don't know what it is about the second born man , but like Roby , roby is Roby is little man . She gets into it . Kof weighs more than her . Kof is two years old . I know you left his biggest small shirt home and Valen wore it . Kof weighs more than her Kof is two years old . I know you left his Biggie Smalls shirt at home and Valen wore it . What he fits it ? Yeah , because it's a size 13 .
Speaker 2Oh , yeah , they were around the same . Yeah , they looked around the same , yeah yeah . It's cool man . You got some tiny little little small tiny little . He's taller than Kof , but like he's a year older than him , tiny little tiny little yeah , tiny little cute little small little , tiny , tiny boys .
Speaker 1It's fine .
Speaker 2My kids are more like .
Speaker 1Hey man it's fine .
Speaker 2It's fine . My kids are more like whips . Yeah , you know Uh-huh , like just you know like agility on 99. , okay , you know , but like . But what's the other one ? A strength , yeah , agility on 99 , strength on like 42 . I would say , you know , I have more . My sons are more closer to a good balance of an artist and a warrior , you know , and a warrior , you know . There is this uniqueness to the way that they attack problems , but they're also rude boys of the old school . They are , they are Of the old school .
Speaker 2Yes traditional values , yet there's an uncouthness to the way that they Just this untethered . Yes , there is this animalistic psyche , sometimes primalistic way of the way they , but they are also straight a students and they yeah , yeah , but super grounded .
Speaker 1But then also yes , but if you if you let them , they will .
Speaker 2They will go to ground and pound uh yeah . Super grounded , all the more better to leverage .
Speaker 1Yes , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2There is this . Yes , there's that knowledge . Nah , man , but the only person , the only person that ends fights in our house is Roby , roby will . I cannot tell you how many teeth Roby has knocked out of Cairo's face , like knocked his teeth out . She will give you a palm strike or like a back spin kick , like she ends fights . She ends fights , dog , like she ends them .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2You know you need to let him split his core . Yeah , anybody listening to the Kratos series right now would have laughed at that joke . Yeah , we don't have nerves that listen to this cast . Yeah , anyway , man . Yeah , so you brought the kids together . We got the kids together for thanksgiving . Man . That I have to say , man , thanksgiving dinner was uh , scrumptious , prime , prime , prime . Yeah , I mean it was , I didn't know . So , like you said , lindsey graduated from the , the top culinary school in the in the world . Yeah , award-winning , award , top award-winning .
Speaker 1And then you said that she graduated she she is award-winning and then yeah , and then she graduated from she graduated the top student at that school .
Speaker 2Yeah yeah , it was all proven on Thanksgiving dinner . Yeah , it was like I never had a dinner before that I didn't have to like add something to it . You know , like maybe put some Tony Sashers here , like maybe you know whatever , like I , yeah , man , yeah yeah , yeah , yeah you still owe me for that too , Uh whatever Like I , yeah man , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . You still owe me for that too , Uh-huh .
Speaker 2Yeah no , you heard me . Huh , yeah , no , you heard me . But we're brothers . Yeah , I mean proximity . It feels like you could just Venmo me if you want . It's up to you .
Speaker 1I don't . However , you want to do that I really don't think you understand the hollowness of my bank account .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , it's wispy . I'm putting three children through private school .
Speaker 1I thought you just got a new job ? No , I know , I thought you just got a new job .
Speaker 2Oh , oh , oh . Yeah , I'm putting . I know your kids go to that Bob Baker account . Sound like my bank account , sound like not yet . Yeah , I don't know if you've ever walked in and in Laramie Wyoming at like maybe nine , 10 o'clock when it was like negative 30 degrees outside . Yeah the crunchiness of the , of the snow , yeah the emptiness of the place that's what my bank ? Account sounds like .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's what's up man , anyway , anyway , anyway , that's what my bank account sounds like . Yeah , that's what's up , man , anyway , anyway , anyway , man , all right , bro , hey , what did you learn from this semester ? Man , about yourself ? Wait , hey , man , we got some professional stuff too , bro , like we just , yeah , we just got that that article accepted . Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , man got an article accepted , uh , for the journal council , education and supervision yeah man .
Speaker 2Uh , well , it needs minor revisions , but it's , it's accepted . It's accepted pending those minor revisions , man . So I gotta go realize that stuff is due in january . Yeah , uh , it's pretty dope , man . Yeah , pretty dope top tier journal um , that completes the um . Infinity rings for me , man yeah yeah , that completes the infinity rings .
Speaker 2Yeah , tenure published books , published a top-tier journal , keynote speaking at the ACA conference . That's them . Oh , that's your goals . Yeah , okay , yeah , yeah , yeah , okay . Well , just to highlight , my goals are to give all of my time and devote my time to students' success and to devote my energy to the health of my community . And I'm not really in it for the keynote speeches and the books , but I know how you , you be talking to your students like that . Yeah , dude , I be in my office and students pop by . Oh , no , you need to get that sign . There's a little sign you can get that says in a meeting wow , wow , I am ashamed see my students .
Speaker 2I see my students just cringing while listening to this Like he ain't got no time anyway , yeah , I do . I do be having time . I actually have time , man . My students come in all the time , all the time . Amen , I mean seriously , man , I miss the days and it's going to happen soon like in the fall when I'm done serving as the associate dean when I just have time to talk to students . Bro , it's the best . I just have time to sit and talk to a man . It's the best . Man , like , just come by just drinking a cup of coffee .
Speaker 1Seriously , some students are like what's my ?
Speaker 2theoretical orientation . I'm like I don't know , let's spend three hours trying to figure it out .
Speaker 1A student will bring me a cup of coffee and there will be like maybe three or four students , just like kind of put it in my office . I love that , I love that , yeah , yeah , I love that man , yeah .
Speaker 2It's one of the best parts about being a faculty member . It was one of the best parts about being in the master's program too , in the master's program , in our master's program , yeah , in our master's program yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , you know it's , it's fine , it's fine right , it's fine serving the university , serving it's not though stuff , it's fine . It's not though it's fine , it is a good experience man , it's a good experience . When you're like 40 , you know like it's a good experience . When you're like 45 or like you know 47 or 48 , you know yeah , or like when you know .
Speaker 1When you're like , you know yeah , or like when you know when you're like still in your 30s you know it's hard , it's tough , it's just tough , it's just tough because you got so much other obligations man .
Speaker 2But anyway , I think that's it professionally . Man , we got that book contract with ACA , so that book we've been talking about . What's the name of this book ?
Speaker 1The Business of Counseling .
Speaker 2The Business of Counseling . The Business of Counseling yeah , so that's going to be due in July . It's going to be due in July .
Speaker 1Did they push it back or something ? No , oh no , it's always been .
Speaker 2July , like July 30th first draft , and so we've been working on it . Yeah , we've been working on it ? Yeah , we have been working on it just in case ACA is listening . Yeah , we have been working on it Tirelessly , no , but for real We've been working on it . But I think January is when we start to put the pieces together man .
Speaker 2June is when we really start working on it , wow . So anyway , just be on the lookout for that man Doing some speeches and stuff . We got some talks . I speeches and stuff , we got some talks . I don't know if we have any talks lined up for next semester . Yeah , one in New York .
Speaker 1Yeah , one in Marymount . Oh yeah , malloy . Malloy University , yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2That's part two of a two-part series . I love it when universities access it . Love it , man , Like with counseling programs . Just like we'll have us come in and do a Zoom session or something , and we get to do like , maybe like a little mini lecture series on something . It's the best .
Speaker 2It's really dope , man . It gives the professor a little break , you know . So , yeah , yeah , yeah , Anyway , man , anyway , all right , all right , all right , you want to get into the topic , anything else ? Yeah , yeah , yeah , let's go for it , bro . All right , what's some of the things that you learned this semester from our students ? Thank you , um , let's just lump it all together learning frustrations , just like not frustrations dog so .
Speaker 2So , like you know and I don't know if the listeners can appreciate this , but like we've been doing a lot of work on like retention you know the university and trying to retain students and stuff but this was like .
Speaker 1This was the first so boring .
Speaker 2Is this what happens when you become a dean ?
Speaker 1I mean it is part of it . We've been working on retention and I just said retention .
Speaker 2And the numbers .
Speaker 1I don't know about the numbers , because the numbers are low and I just , you know , we have our FTEs and the FTEs and the CTFs and the QXCs and we turn in our form for the WXYs and the XYZs and those numbers .
Speaker 2It's a hell of a number , jesus . Why don't ? You bore the audience a little bit more . Do you have time ?
Speaker 1I'm not going to talk about retention . Do you have 30 more ?
Speaker 2minutes to talk about retention . I'm not going to talk about retention , man , that's what you brought me here for .
Speaker 1Did you bring ?
Speaker 2me here to put me to sleep . Is retention , man , that's what you brought me here for . Did you bring me here to put me to sleep ? Is that what you did ? No , here's what I want to talk about . Man , Just let me talk . Bro . Golly man , man bro , these faculty , man Bro , I tell you what man these We've been working on the numbers and we're just crunching numbers .
Speaker 2No , man , here's what I'm talking about , bro . So this is the first year I taught freshmen Ew . You know , first year I taught freshmen Ew , loved it , loved the class , man Ew .
Understanding Generational Differences in Education
Speaker 2But it did bring me to like a bigger discussion , man , because some of those students like I don't know if y'all do this , but we do a bridge program , this , but we do a bridge program . We're trying to start one , okay , but we have , like you know , if you're about to graduate , you're graduating in December and you have one more semester left , you can spend that last semester kind of part-time in undergrad , part-time in graduate school . You know , you finish up a little bit early . It's great , you know . And the students we get , they are 50-50 , you know , making it through the program . Right , it has nothing to do with the program , it has everything to do with like readiness . You know what I mean , you know . And so , because you know those students are typically younger , yeah , you know what I mean .
Speaker 2And so they come in and you know dog and eye master's program . We're asking them to ask themselves questions that are like sometimes just real and tough , and maybe they may not even be ready to answer for themselves you know , but , dog , what we noticed was the generation gap .
Speaker 2you know , from student to student . You know , from generation to generation , yeah , like , especially like Gen Zers and Elfas Mm-hmm , from student to student . You know from generation to generation like , yeah , um like , especially like gen z years and elf us . You know , yeah , man are like um interesting to teach . Huh , you know like gen z , it's just interesting that he says one of the things I learned is that they don't they , they just have a different experience of the world than we did . You know , yeah , like most of the freshmen and some of the students who are in , who are in my graduate class , were born in like 2002 , 2005 .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , you know like you know what I mean , and so it's , and it's just they don't . You know I'm making jokes that they don't understand and that has more to do with me , you know . But , doc , they just engage with the information a lot differently than we did . Do you feel like they carry a little bit more anxiety ? No , so this is what some of the research that you know that we talked about man , they don't carry a lot of anxiety . They have just as much anxiety as everybody else . They can just articulate it better oh , ok , ok you know what I mean them an assessment on their anxiety .
Speaker 2They're gonna have the words to to put where , like somebody from an older generation , may not even be able to catch what they're feeling as anxiety .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , or depression , you know , they're a little bit more tired , you know ?
Speaker 2yeah , yeah you know , they're just a little bit more aware of what's going on , and so they're able , especially when they do a self-report , you know , like , and this is , this is , like you know , taken from research , you know , but , but needs to be verified , you know , but I think that's the thing we learned . That's the thing I learned is that , amen , like they don't respond to like a traditional powerpoint lecture , oh no , they do not , you know , and it has nothing to do with their , like , poor attention span are there , you know their face is like glued to a cell phone and so they just can't possibly .
Speaker 2Yeah , look like no man , they just like they just need something different . Yeah , they bought that yeah , man , and things have to matter . Yeah , like they need to understand the why you know yeah .
Speaker 2And so anyway , so I did a really good friend of mine and a student of mine , capri , who her practice is called what's the name of her practice ? Man ? First Contact , first Contact , and she's local , you know , in Belton Temple and Austin . She did a presentation . She's doing a presentation at a coaching event on Saturday , but she was talking about it in my office the other day . But it's been kind of things that we've been like researching and looking at , you know , just like what makes them different and you know , and I and I know that has something to do with retention , because I think most of the faculty members here , but then also , I think , just in the world , especially the faculty members who are older , like Gen X and boomers and you know whatever is in there , I think a lot of them still think they're teaching millennials , oh yeah .
Speaker 1You know , you know what I mean .
Speaker 2And like they're teaching millennials .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , you know , yeah , you know what I mean and like and they don't realize that I'm a millennial . Yeah , they don't ?
Speaker 2I mean we even we had a presentation a couple semesters ago about somebody coming in to teach us how to teach millennials , and it's like dude , I'm like , I'm an associate dean and I'm a millennial , yeah you know , and so I , you know , like I mean granted , granted , we are pretty advanced for our age and our career and stuff . But don't think about it , man .
Speaker 1Do you know any faculty members in their 30s ?
Speaker 2Yeah , you know , any faculty members in their 30s . See , I think the mean age at my university is just older . I don't think so . There's nobody in their 30s in my college . Oh , just older . I don't think so . You know , there's nobody in their 30s in my college . Oh , okay , okay , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , in my college .
Speaker 2We got a couple people in my college . We got a couple people in my college , but then again , my college is College of Health Sciences .
Speaker 2So yeah , I'm just saying that , like , the different departments have a different makeup . I'm just saying that , like the— Different departments have a different like makeup . I'm just saying that , like the—I noticed that difference when I was in my multicultural class and , like I'm teaching , and if I'm teaching a group of millennials , right , like , maybe mid or like , or like older millennials , like we're still trying to figure a lot of this stuff out . You know so a lot of it , a lot of it is like , like . Let me really explain to you what assimilation is like . Let me really explain to you , man , the students that I have now that were born in like the 2000s . I'm looking at them and they're like oh okay , yeah , what else you got ?
Speaker 1like I yeah , I know I know this .
Speaker 2I know it kind of makes teaching diversity a little bit like not not useless because it's so important obviously not useless . Yeah , but you know but you , but you , I feel like
Incorporating AI for Student Engagement
Speaker 2man . Just a couple semesters ago we were arguing in there arguing , you know , and it was like you know , we're getting into it and every class felt , yeah , felt like you were just turning over these these bad boulders of that tension that I felt when I was a graduate student and that tension that I felt when I was a doc student and that tension that I felt when I was a new faculty teaching multicultural .
Speaker 2It's not the tension that I feel now . I know . I know , I know it's not Because students come in . They come in just already . So look every now , and then you'll get one student Right when , when they open their mouth , you're just like oh no , dog , there's one student who and they know who they are and my whole class knows who they are , they know who they are and my whole class knows who they are Whereas it's like and you know it's going to eventually , you know we're going to have to have a conversation . Or like , hey , man , you can't say that , you know you can't .
Speaker 2Yeah , people , they say stuff like now , listen , I'm not racist . Or they'll say like , listen , I'm just curious , I'm just asking . But I don't get that now , like now , what I get is my family is extremely racist and a lot of the thoughts and ideologies that I have is from that racist family . So sometimes when I'm in class , I'll say some stuff that just like you know , I'm trying here , and it may seem off the wall , but like I'm trying to break those generational , like that would have never happened in our , in our , in our multicultural class .
Speaker 1Yeah , man .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , so you just anyway . That was my biggest takeaway , man . It's that , like you know , I need to start adjusting my classes to fit the needs of the generation you know .
Speaker 1Right and it's .
Speaker 2And I kind of do that anyway , because when I start class , it's like I usually present the syllabi and then I'll say , okay , like what do y'all want to learn ? What ?
Speaker 1do y'all want to add to ?
Speaker 2it what ? What do we need to change ? I've changed assignments mid-semester because it just didn't fit . Taking away assignments , yeah yeah , because I just didn't fit the kind of nature of the class and maybe it just didn't fit the way that they wanted to learn or they needed something else you know , um , but it is just like yeah , if we're going to retain students and I think we have to teach the students , we have dog so speaking about teaching the students .
Speaker 2We have man , so to segue that into . Uh , what I've learned is that , or just something that I did this semester was , this is one of the first semesters where I incorporated AI into the classroom . Oh , yeah , so , like I incorporated AI into creating , like AI-generated lectures , like PowerPoints and like presentations , ai-generated videos and also AI , also AI generated mock clients , right , like I would be teaching a lesson about , like whatever it was , where it was like a specific chapter of lifespan , you know where we're covering like young adulthood or whatever , right , I would , before class , give , like create a massive prompt in Child GPT , kind of creating a shell of a of a mock client , right , based on some of the stuff that we're covering in the chapter that day , right , and then I would teach the class , we would go over , like you know some of the stuff that you're going to see , and then we would in real time use chat GPT as a , as a mock client , you know , so I would , would . I would give the kids , I would give , I mean , give the kids , I'll give the students and the kid that we were seeing as a my client or like whatever it was like the you know the young adult as a , as a my client , a prompt , and we I would let them read off , like maybe the beginning , first two minutes of the session , or whatever , right , and then .
Speaker 2And then the prompt would be okay , now , where do we take this client , you know , and the class would have to work together to figure out where we're going to take this client , right ? And then it was like , so , you know , the students would come up with suggestions of like okay , so how would you say this ? Or what would you say to that ? Or what made you you , what made you curious about this ? What do you think we should go with this client ? You know , and the class had to decide oh , let's go here , so I would type up . You know , like it sounds like you're whatever , whatever , whatever , I mean , it opened up so much doors to hey , you guys need to really brush up on like your feelings will here . Yeah , like you have , you guys have no , like you're struggling , trying to come .
Speaker 2This is me sitting there like you use . That sounds frustrating that sounds frustrating that that sounds overwhelming .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's a classic , that's a classic . Noose new counselor word gosh , that sounds so overwhelming . Yeah , gosh , if I were you , I'd be so overwhelmed . Yeah , so so you know I'm overwhelmed right now . I'm like hey man , what's , what's on that same line , as you know . I get to the students and I'm like , hey , man , what's on that same line as overwhelming ? And the student's like , what do you mean by line ? I'm like , okay , yeah , we have the same discussion .
Speaker 1Look at the feelings .
Speaker 2Will Okay this is overwhelming .
Speaker 2Let's go down the line Like what's on the same line as overwhelming . Is that the exact feeling ? It just opened up so much more discussions and then , once we got done with the lesson and everybody had a good thing , then we just like mess with the client . You know , like I would say , okay , suggest something wild . You know , yeah , um , so I would , I would , I would augment the prompt in session , you know , and be like , hey , man , you guys are in young adulthood . You may see young adulthood clients and like some type of sexual or erotic transfers may come up like this is what that would look like in session it's , it's classic , yeah so then I would , I would augment the prompt in session , you know , and then we would , we would role play what that would look like with that chat gbd client .
Speaker 2You know , it would be nice if I could create it would be nice if I could create like a character you know and have the , have the character actually mouth and create a voice for the character and have the character mouth .
Speaker 2The replies from chap gpt you know , and have my students kind of role play , because what I would do is , let's say , I'm covering like young adulthood and there's like four or five different secular parts of the thing . I would have four or five different clients right and I would have each client at like a specific in a specific group . I don't have them rotate , you know , to see how that group would like function with that particular client . That's something that I was like . This is what this generation of students , that's what they vibe with . They don't vibe with the . You know . All right , I got 64 slides today , so we got a lot to cover .
Speaker 1You know it's like you know everybody buckle up Buckle up , you know .
Speaker 2We're going to be going through the WISC assessment . It's like all right , man , okay , you know , and there's a place for that stuff , man , but anyway , that , yeah , I think that's that's like one of the biggest takeaways from the semester , man , you know , and uh it . And also that like um , you know , like I said earlier , man , I just miss having the time to be with students .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's been seven . A ton of students , you know . Um , you know I love , I love leadership , I love that stuff . But , um , yeah , man , I mean you know like I'd see the students , especially the first years man , the first years , who need , you know , a little bit more support , you know , and um support , you know , and um , you know , like not being able to answer text messages or emails or make you know things like that . It's like , yeah , man , you know I'm sitting in a meeting , like looking at an unanswered text message , like all I want to do is get like I don't care , but like who cares about the budget ? Like spend it , let's buy some stuff . I don't know .
Speaker 1You know what I mean . Yeah , but yeah , man , yeah yeah .
Speaker 2So anyway , anyway , yeah , so you didn't learn anything . No , man , I mean , dog , one of the things that , like I and we kind of touched on this too , and maybe this is for like another cast eventually , maybe like like at the end of January , when we do another one of these , february , february 1st , during the little mock therapy sessions , man , my students was hunting for a solution Haunting , we got to figure out why this is happening . Instead of just like sitting in what is , instead of just like sitting in like okay , this is happening , I don't know . Instead of just like sitting in what is right , Instead of just like sitting in like okay , this is happening with the client , let's like explore the clients . Nah , nah , nah , dog , nah , you're doing it wrong , you're doing it wrong . Eh , you're doing it wrong . Man , this is what I do , bro , let them .
Speaker 1Let them run for the solution .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah yeah , let him run for the solution . That's what we do , bro . We're doing the mock therapy session and I'm like , hey , if you guys want to go down this route , I'll show you where it ends , you know . So somebody brought up a solution , I typed it in there and the client was like , yeah , well , maybe I'll try that whenever I , you know , whenever I get uh again , bruh , bruh . It's fun , it's funny , because it's funny because like you got 50 minutes , yeah you know you got 50 minutes like and the , the .
Speaker 2You know , and I don't want to get on this tangent but dog in the first 15 minutes , oh , here you go , here you , but Doc in the first 15 minutes .
Speaker 1Oh , here we go .
Speaker 2Here we go . No , no , no , in the first 15 minutes , if you say like , yeah , why don't you just do this ? And the client goes oh yeah , I never thought about that . Well , thank you , thank you . Well , see you later . You think that's how that goes , Doc , you think that's how that goes . You think that's how that goes , like , I mean , I tried it . Remember , I got a client hurt . I know you got a client , molly , whopped . Yeah , she came back in the next session . I was like , ooh , what happened ?
Speaker 1Did you fall off your ?
Speaker 2bike . No , he hit me , yeah Because you told me to do that .
Speaker 1We talked about this before . The stakes are high .
Speaker 2The stakes are the stakes . The stakes demand that you respect it way more than trying to find us then trying to like solution your way through it . You know like and you know . You know what else I learned and you know what else I learned , man , you know what else I learned . I know we only got a couple more minutes left , but hey , man , this what we do in graduate school is a lot different than undergrad . A lot . Being an undergrad faculty is a lot different than being a graduate in counseling .
Speaker 2In counseling , it feels like being an undergrad faculty is a lot different than being a graduate . Oh , yeah , in counseling , yeah , in counseling . Yeah , like it feels like each cohort dog , like it feels like our program has a family , you know , and I don't mean like we're close and we love each other and everyone's , just like you know , like , nah , man , like it's like this kind of growing system that you're in and everybody's patterns are pinging everywhere and everybody's dysfunction and functioning is everywhere , man , and you're navigating it in class . You're navigating it outside of class and supervision , in the clinic . You're navigating it in the community and it's like you , just man . And so when you take a student in , it's a gamble , it is an absolute gamble . I love it . I love it when a student is a safe bet .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , I love it . You know what I love even more you know what I love even more .
Speaker 2You know what I love even more .
Faculty Reflections on Program Dynamics
Speaker 2When , as a faculty , we are like on the fence about a student , I'm like should we ? Should we let him in , like I don't know , you know , and there's like one champion who's like I think yeah , this is like trying to , yeah , like give him a chance , you know , like somebody did for us , like somebody like dr like dr ballard did for us .
Speaker 2Yeah and uh , and we let him in and they just man , there's this one student , man thrive , oh , just thrive , it's the best , just thrives . And it's like I cannot imagine this program for the next two and a half years without this student . You know , I cannot imagine this cohort without this , without the balance that this student , you know , I cannot imagine this cohort without this without the balance that the student provides .
Speaker 2Yeah bro , yeah bro , oh man , like they just man , man , man , it's the best , but anyway , anyway , yeah , and at the end of each semester you just see everybody kind of like scatter a little bit . That's it just happened today . I walked into my office today and I was like whoa , there's nobody in here . There's nobody in here , man , when is everybody ? Like man . A couple days ago the halls were like buzzing , buzzing , buzzing with people , man . But then every spring we have a cohort that's graduating .
Speaker 1Every spring we have a cohort that's graduating . We graduate in the fall . Okay yeah , Every spring we have a cohort that's graduating , we graduate in the fall ?
Speaker 2Oh , really yeah . But what kind of program ? Graduates in the fall ? We accept in the fall , we don't accept in the spring ? Us either , man , oh , y'all program's a year and a half , y'all just skip clinicals , okay , okay , no , because that has to be it . That has to be it because you don't end on an odd number . I mean , what kind of semester ? So y'all go fall , spring , summer , fall , spring , summer , fall , fall , spring , no , fall , y'all don't have a spring . No , it's fall , spring , summer , that's one year , yeah .
Speaker 1And then you get fall , spring , and then that spring is practicum .
Speaker 2No , that spring is internship . Internship , yeah , that spring , yeah . So it's like oh , y'all don't have an extra clinical class . Yeah , we got applied how many credits is y'all credited it's K-2 .
Speaker 1It's blink twice . Hey man Blink twice .
Speaker 2This is the first program that I've been at , where it's been accredited All right . So actually , no , it's not . It , no , it's not , it's not , it's not , it's not . Every program I've taught has been accredited , except for that last one , that online program that I taught . Remember that one .
Speaker 1Hmm , yeah , yeah , yeah , it was unaccredited .
Speaker 2And I'm not sure if they are accredited now . Yeah , yeah , it should be . It's a great program , but whatever , anyway , man , no , yeah , yeah , program , but whatever , uh , anyway , man , no , yeah , uh , we get . Yeah , uh , no .
Speaker 2But but I was saying I was gonna say that , uh , that the the one of the things that I learned , man , uh , maybe not learn , but like one of the things that like affirm that was like more grounded this semester was , uh , how much more activities and like like places , to like places in the in the semester , to like move , like . I'm talking about like physically get up and move around in the class . Uh , I want , I want in my classes man , like man , we did this , we did the befina befina exercise , which is which is where , like you know real quick , because I know we're almost out of time like where you , you essentially get two classrooms and each , you divide the class up and you put one group in one classroom , one group in the other classroom . These groups create their own culture and their own rules to like access the culture , and then you send like one person from each group into the other classroom to see if they can like , to see if they can assimilate into or survive . We do that in adversity .
Speaker 1Yeah , we're going to do that this spring .
Speaker 2That's what we do and it's always fun because , like you know , there's like the in-group stuff that happens , and then there's like the cohort stuff that happens sometimes , you know , and then there's like the you know says like well , I mean , maybe if you guys didn't cheat the whole time , then maybe .
Speaker 2And like there we go , you know , like we didn't cheat with it , you know and then there you go , it's like that's a microcosm of what actually happens in the world , you know , and in the cohort , yeah , and in the cohort too .
Speaker 2So like you bring that out in diversity and everybody's like , oh , man , so anyway , anyway , anyway , yeah , so to be more , to be more active , but then also , man , man , I like , I like I'm be honest here man Like maybe limit the amount of hours I spent on campus , like I was spending way more than the recommended hours on campus .
Speaker 2Man , and I know that like , and it's dope man , I get to talk to students , blah , blah , blah , blah , you know , but like man , I'm still like a member of the community , you know , and like man , a private practice or just practicing in general , it's a massive part of being a part of the community and not , you know and like , so I think , sometimes as constant faculty , specifically , especially if you have a program that's like very homey and very , very like you know , family oriented , sometimes you get lost in your like second floor university tower , you know , and you're not like out in the community doing your work in your like second floor university tower you know and you're not like out in the community doing your work and it has nothing to do with like arrogance or anything .
Speaker 1No , no , no .
Speaker 2It's just patterns . It's just patterns , bro . Like it's just patterns , man . I mean like think about my job , you know my job . And just like how you get stuck in meetings , you put these meetings up , you do these things and then , like a student will say like hey , can we meet ? And you're like yeah , and then you're like you know , you forget that . Like oh , I have this one-on-one thing I need to do . Oh , man , I have this , you know , and it's just . It's just how it is , man .
Speaker 1Yeah , yep .
Speaker 2Man . I got to run to another meeting , bro , speaking of meetings , so I'm going to have to let you go what you still doing in meetings . Dog , your semester ended like two weeks ago . Yeah , I know , man , but they still paying me to be here .
Speaker 1Wow yeah .
Speaker 2And I know you're all about that money , All right bro . Well , hopefully it's not 22 something days before we do this again . Nah , man , I think , I think , I think , um , I think I just have to take control . Yeah , I think I just have to take control because I let you do your little thing for for a couple of years now and I just slowly realized that you're not him , you're not him . Oh , you trying to be Primus ? No , yeah , you got to that part of take control of this you're not him .
Speaker 1Oh , you're trying to be primus .
Speaker 2No yeah , for those of y'all who don't know , I talked to you , is in the listening to red rising . Yeah , if you haven't , it's a dope book man yeah , it's a dope book . It's his favorite book because he's not the smartest person in the world , so he just likes to push , play and start driving .
Speaker 2And so you know so you can't give him books that's thinkers . You can't give him a Sanderson book you can't give him . Nah , you got to give him one where people are just fighting and dying . Nah , you like listening to the books ? The rock had the mist of its elders on the sheen of the layered moss , with the grayscale of the rock , and the rock was kind of prickly , with a little bit of dew on the moisture of the moisture of the rock . Oh , and I moved the rock and there was a shrub here , this shrub , I can sense the shrub's thoughts and the thoughts of the . Can you please cut this shrub's head off and eat it , because you've been running through this forest for about four chapters now , dog , come on yeah that's what you like , wearing .
Speaker 2Nothing wrong with a little high fantasy . Getting me out of this place , man , I need to put this thing in gear and mash that gas . I'm talking . It's like those one page books . He woke up , killed everyone , went to sleep , the end .
Speaker 1This blood was everywhere .
Speaker 2This has been an audio . What's the name of the book Steelhouse ? What's the name of the ? This has been . This has been a Random House production .
Speaker 1Nibrivox . Yeah , all that stuff .
Speaker 2Ten minute book Woke up , killed everyone one by one , went back to sleep . This has been a Random House production I'm
Unconventional Weapon Choices in Battle
Speaker 2trying to hear like . So then I took out my scythe , and the scythe didn't work , so I took out my switchblade . The switchblade definitely did the job , but then it slipped out of my hand because of all the gore . So then I had to get my curved blade .
Speaker 1And the blade was yeah , I'm talking , yeah , it was so hard for me to move with all the body parts .
Speaker 2That was yeah , I'm . No , I don't need to . Yeah you don't like doing the rocks he had 150 hair follicles on his knuckle , which meant that he was of the dwarf clan , from the like from the green river clan , and the green river clan has its ancestry . Get me out of here , dog . Get me out of here anyway . Wow , I gotta , wow , I gotta go . I gotta call this client . Yeah , let me , let you go , man , let me let you let me , let you go , let me give you the freedom , all right , hey , listen listen , listen , man , hey , listen .
Speaker 2Thanks for putting up with us . Thanks for the ones who stayed and the ones who were like , ah , they finally quit , you know , and we're back . Man , we appreciate y'all sticking by us . Hopefully this won't be the last time you hear from us for a whole month . This is true's fault .
