The Twin Therapists Podcast
Drs. Jude and Julius Austin, identical twin brothers, lift the curtain on the "doing" of psychotherapy. With unwavering honesty, raw vulnerability, and unwavering compassion for the complexities of the human condition, they illuminate the path for both fledgling clinicians and seasoned professionals alike. The Twin Therapists podcast is your gateway to a world where healing meets humanity, leaving no stone unturned in the relentless pursuit of understanding the depths of the human soul.
The Twin Therapists Podcast
Toe Pics, Tenure, and Tales of Parenting Chaos
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Have you ever wondered if the chaos of academic life could lead you to the unexpected world of online toe picture sales? Join us on a laughter-filled journey as we discuss the hilarious mayhem of coordinating our packed schedules while playfully considering the end of our podcasting days. Balancing the demands of an associate dean, meetings with students and faculty, and the bittersweet anticipation of my tenure's end, we find joy and humor in the chaos. As I prepare to mentor one final cohort, the love for engaging with our academic community shines brightly. And who knew that a quirky business idea involving toe pics could be so amusing?
Take a nostalgic stroll down memory lane with us as we reminisce about the contrasting parenting styles of Mama and Daddy. Experience Mama's formidable discipline and Daddy's quiet authority through our vivid storytelling, laughter, and relatable childhood tales. We also explore the art of multitasking, featuring a quirky fundraising initiative, Juice Pinky Toe Pics, supporting my son's club team. The episode wraps with a lighthearted promise to reconnect soon, leaving listeners with a mix of laughter, reflection, and heartwarming family memories. Tune in for an amusing, heartfelt exploration of life's many roles!
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Catching Up on Busy Lives
Speaker 1Hey Jeeves , hey man , what , hey man ? Mm-hmm , how you doing , bruh ? Bruh Doing ? Okay man , welcome back to the cast . Welcome back to the cast man . What , hey man ? How you doing bro Bro Doing ? Okay man , welcome back to the cast . Welcome back to the cast , man . It's been a while . It's been a while .
Speaker 1I know y'all thought we finally did it . We was like we almost , we almost . There was a moment , yeah , there was a moment where we were like , uh , should we just go ahead and end this ? Should we just stop doing this ? Yeah , let's go ahead and end it for them boys . What happened , g , what happened ? Because it's been two months . What happened ?
Speaker 1I've been here and I've been patiently waiting and you've been avoiding me . That's not how I see it , because I remember several times saying we need to cast . And hey , man , like , can you do it on this date ? And you'd be like , yeah , I could do it on that date . And then that day came and you're like , hey , um , wow , that was one time , one time . Every time I call you , and you're like I'm just too busy , I'm just a busy boy , I don't know . I just want the listeners to know . I just want the listeners to know . Attempts were made and he chose himself yeah , hola , just so you know . Just so you know , hola , just so you know . All I know is that I've been here patiently waiting .
Speaker 1There's been fans chanting , waiting for us to . You know what were they chanting ? Chanting waiting for us to . You know what were they chanting ? What were they chanting ? Loser , that's the call . That's when you know you need to . You just hear that own repeat in your head . You're like I need to do something , I need to achieve , I need to accomplish . As soon as you hear that chant , you come running . Do something I need to achieve , I need to accomplish . As soon as you hear that shit , you come running down like it's Avengers Endgame yeah , man , yeah , man , nah , man , nah , nah , nah . What's been going on for you , bro ? Like , what's been happening ? Give us the quick and dirty version of what's been happening in your life , man , because I know you're a busy boy . You got version of what's been happening in your life , man , because I know you're a busy boy . You got a netting meeting at 10 o'clock . You know we got 15 minutes to do this cast . Like , just give me the quick and dirty version of what's been going on .
Speaker 1I mean , honestly , I but I've been trying to just chill man , I mean I don't know what else to , I don't know how else to put it you know , like , you know what I mean , dog , because , okay , there's no secret , if you're one of my students , you know , like I haven't been showing up to class . He hasn't been showing up to class . Yeah , no , dog , honestly , I've been meeting with a bunch of students . Oh , yeah , yeah , I mean like , if you look at my calendar , it's just student meeting after student meeting , and like it's not even Is it all graduate students ? Or is it like , yeah , all graduate students , some undergraduate students , you know , that want to meet and talk . You know , but like , so , students , faculty , you know staff , yeah , but it's like one hour after the next . You know , to the point to where sometimes people don't think I'm in my office , but I'm actually in my office meeting with a student .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , you know , we talk about everything man , clients , future , all of that stuff and I'm like , doc , that's what I'm here for . I mean , that's why I love doing the job , you know . But you know it keeps you from doing other stuff . Yeah , yeah , you know what I mean . Yeah , for sure . So you have the nine to five . What do you call it ? Yeah , the nine to five and the five to nine ? Yeah , just to , like , you know , get stuff done because you know other students need things , the administrative side of it . But it's just my last semester man as associate dean of it . But , uh , it's just my last semester man , that's associate dean . So , um , I know it's going to be one of those days that you're gonna feel we're all upset about , because now you can't call yourself associate dean . You can't . You can't put that on your email tagline . Yeah , it was , it was a title , it was a title . I know that's what it . Yeah , yeah , yeah , I'm gonna feel a little empty , you know , yeah , uh , so now you're gonna be selling pictures of you , of your big toes , on the internet just to just to recoup , just to recoup that salary you're missing out on .
Speaker 1We both , we both know , we both know what toe would make us the most money . It definitely ain't that old , old , scrunched up pinky toe that you got . That's the one . That's the one cornfield ain't got no toenail on it . That's the one that's been in soccer boots for years . I mean not even on some sexual stuff , just on some side . So attraction , circus type stuff . Yeah , that's sexual stuff right there . Yeah , that's definitely that pinky toe sitting in them shoes as we speak , like what the fuck I couldn't get the , why I couldn't get the wide ? Yeah , that pinky toe definitely called in a supervisor . Yeah , no man . But look , hey , I get one more cohort , you know , I get one more cohort that act up , one more cohort that you know , make it a little bit harder than I need it to be here . And , yeah , man , a little pinky toe about to be a star . Yeah , about to be a star man . Yeah , but no man . Hey , hey , hey , that's it , man Raising these kids .
Speaker 1I mean , you know , I think like the hiatus was because it's Thanksgiving , christmas , start of the semester , like you know , it's like and I think I don't think students really realize this but we don't get work done during the semester , we get work done during the breaks . I feel like I'm like swimming in a pool with a like I don't know man , some type of like harness attached to me where , like , I can't really go forward . Know man , some type of like harness attached to me where , like , I can't really go forward ? You know , those pool , those infinity pools , or no , not those pools that like have the current pushing towards you , you know , and you're just like kind of swimming in one spot . You know , like that's kind of how the the beginning of the semester sometimes feels .
Speaker 1You know like , yeah , emails coming in , students trying to set up triadic sessions . You know with you like there's no time or space in your schedule , everything's kind of up in the air . But you know what , to me it's a little bit like remember when you had a new kid , a new baby . You're so overwhelmed . It kind of it kind of puts everything into focus , you know .
Speaker 1And then there's things that you just don't care about anymore . Not not that you don't care about it , it's that you just can't care about . You know what ? You know what the thing that you , that you , I lose track of the most is changing the air filters out in the house . You know , like with the AC I was like why are we so sick ? Oh , because the air filter is like Bayou Brown . You know what I mean , looking like the chaffalaya out there , that gator green . You know what it is dog . You know what the first thing that goes yeah , brushing , brushing your teeth . No , man , oh , my bad , I'm sorry .
Speaker 1Now , here it is doc , it's emails from students that could be questions in class . First thing to go . It's the first thing to go , emails from students that could be questions in class . You know and I'm not trying to be a jerk , you know what I mean . But like , yeah , you know , like you know , I would much prefer to try to create this dope lecture in class and like facilitate this learning experience than attend to this email . Yeah , that you can talk to me about in class . I'm not going to email you back . Yeah , and it's not me being mean , it's me trying to prioritize one thing for you over another thing for you . Yep , yep , you know what I mean . Yeah , yeah , no , it's me being mean .
Speaker 1Yeah , I see it come through and I'm like nope , nah bro , nah , man , you know , hey bro , I'm trying my best over here , man . Nah , hey bro , I'm trying my best over here , man . No , not me , that daddy not fussing , I'm not fussing , I'm not trying my best . I'm giving them a good old , lukewarm effort . Yeah , have you hit your kids ? Have you hit your kids with that daddy not fussing ? Nope , nope , but I have . I have hit my kids with come over here , I'm not going to hit you , come over and then they come over here and I'm like I don't , there , it is , there it is . Nah , let me call those people . Nah , I don't , I don't hit my kids , man , I don't , uh , at least not close . Yeah , yeah , yeah , it's not . Yeah , come on , man , we call them , we call them papas in our house . Yeah , that's what we call them , man , I'm not hiding behind anything , no , but just for the listener's sake , just so you understand .
Speaker 1So me and my brother , when we were growing up , I mean we got whoopings . We didn't get beat , we got whoopings . It was both psychological and physical . Yeah , you know what I mean , because you get the , you , you get the . Hey , hey , hey , hey , listen , hey
Parenting Styles and Childhood Memories
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Speaker 1I remember one time where we were doing something outside that we weren't supposed to do , I don't know , and we were walking into the house like we were walking mama . Mama was like boys get in the house . And we were walking into the house and you walked in there first and Mama had the door open and you had to walk under her left arm to get through the threshold of the door Because she opened the door . I got trauma block , this . I don't remember . The minute you walked into the house .
Speaker 1Mama hit you so hard , you went crashing into the wall . So I looked at her and she looked at me like get your ass in the house . And I was like I saw you absolutely battered on the ground . I swear , I swear , I swear I'll do anything if you don't hit me like that . Please . I was bargaining . Please don't hit me that hard , like I know I'm gonna get hit . I know I'm walking into this and I'm not trying to shirk it . I will walk under your . I know I'm walking into this , I know what's happening and I'm not trying to shirk it . I will walk under your arm . I know the hit is , but that heart is like that is unhinged . I was like is he even breathing ? And you know why , dog . You know why that probably happened , bro .
Speaker 1Probably because we was outside doing something we wasn't supposed to do , exactly Knocking on neighbors' doors , running away , you know , throwing rocks at cars , or something . She called us once . She called us twice . A neighbor called her and said hey , come , get your boys outside , boys outside . And she told us to come in . And we were like no , that was the , that was the , that was the now . Now , now you're making me look like I can't , I can't parent now . Now you're making a bad example . Yeah , so now you have to pay . Yeah , and usually , usually I like roll with it . Hey , so you saw me .
Speaker 1I just told that story to the listeners and that was the truth . Now , to my , to my kids , I tell them yeah , and Uncle Jude flew through the wall . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , mama hit him through the sheetrock . Yeah , but here's the opposite though . Here's the opposite Because you know , when I made that joke earlier about Daddy not fussing , it's because , like , daddy never spanked us at all , yeah , ever , yeah , not once .
Speaker 1You know what I mean . But mama would hit you with the psychological spanking . Yeah , you know , like you know what I mean . She'd be like , hey , hey , you're not listening . How can I know that I can trust y'all to be safe if you're not listening ? Yeah , and so you know , and it sticks , we're going to have to spank y'all when we get home , and it's 7.30 in the morning , yeah , and so you got the whole day . I'm not telling you exactly when it's going to happen , but just know . But at some point throughout the day , that whole day , it's going to happen , but , but at some point throughout the day .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , that whole day it's like you need me to shine your shoes . I can listen . You don't even have to press the gas pedal . I can pick up the front end of the car and judo because we don't want you to waste gas or just run you to I just harvest some coffee beans for you . I can go crush them up and make you some .
Speaker 1Uh , yeah , yes , ma'am , I went all the way to arabia . I know I'm , I know I'm seven , but I just thought out a job application , just because you know , I'm just trying to move us out the hood and it's time to contribute . You know , I felt , yeah , I just felt called . Yeah , I just felt called and I'm answering the call . Yeah , you know , I just want you to know I'm putting my weight . Yeah , you know . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . So whatever you were thinking earlier , that thought doesn't need to be thunk anymore . Just yep , just so we're clear . Yeah , just so we're you don't . You don't have to at this point . At this point , it's a choice to beat me when we get home . Because , yeah , it's a choice you're making .
Speaker 1At some point you have to thought stop . At some point you have to spit in the soup . At some point you got to early recollection , yep . Desensitization , yes , ma'am . Somatic cleansing , rapid eye movement Yep , all of that . What else you need ? Yeah , yeah , oh , get the belt , okay , yes , okay , wow . She is really still going through with this . Wow , wow , you upstairs getting about like , wow , wow , she's got an iron wheel . So she's got an iron wheel . This is what it's like to be unloved wow , wow , anyway , man , let me , let me , let me finish sharing this , bro .
Speaker 1So , uh , I mean , you know that he didn't have the daddy came in dog and didn't have to say much . Yeah , you didn't have to say anything . He would sit down and he'd get real quiet , like he would talk so low that you'd have to get close , yeah , to hear him . Yeah , you know , and you had already gotten the whooping , so you were already a little skittish about intimacy . Yep , any closeness he can grab me . I , I'm in his reach , you know , and he'd sit there and he'd be like .
Speaker 1So your mama told me while I was outside working , woke up at 530 in the morning . I'm sorry , hold on , hold on , hold on . Let me get the concrete out of my eye . Hold on , yeah , hold on , hold on , hold on . Could you come closer ? Yeah , I just inhaled a lot of concrete dust today while I was working to make sure you went to private school . Hold on , give me one second , yeah , yeah , so , anyway , jesus .
Speaker 1So , while that was happening , your mama told me you weren't listening this whole time and you start crying , bro , and you start shaking and you'd be like no , no , no , no , daddy , not fussing , I'm not fussing , this isn't me fussing In the ultimate gaslighting , because he'd be like it sounds like you are fussing . I don't know . This is as close to warfare as I've ever gotten . This is classic . This is I hear the bullets whizzing . This is oh , man , bro , anyway , man , anyway , bro , yeah , yeah , I mean , yeah , sorry for the hiatus , man , uh , you know , we're gonna try to be a little bit more consistent from now on . Uh , at the at the very least , once a month , at the very least , at the very least , I'm aiming for twice a month at least , man .
Speaker 1But you know , you know what's , you know what's tough dog is , because the people that listen to the podcast are the people we take care of . Yeah , yeah , you know what I mean . You know the people we're with , the people we hang out with , the people we , you know , work with and work for . Well , there's some people that are like we had .
Speaker 1There's a lot of people in different countries that listen to this cast , that , like I've been kind of chiming in , like hey , uh , in their own language , where is the cast ? Yeah , for sure . Yeah , and I have to communicate with them , saying I'm here . Jude isn't present , though , so , wow , okay , hey , man , on a side note . On a side note , I want to speak clearly here . Amen , stop sending me y'all supervisees to train .
Speaker 1Listen , I'm tired of it . I'm tired of it . No , man , because you , you at ull , uh and and boosh and the rest of the faculty member over there . This is to y'all . This is directly to the Listen . I'm not a janitor . Oh yeah , I'm not a janitor . You know what I mean .
Speaker 1What else you got , Huh , what else you got ? It's just , you know , you give them to me , because I feel like we're saying you grade A quality clinicians , oh yeah , but there's all y'all stuff in there I have to muck out and clear out . No , I'm sorry about that . Yeah , I get it . Or do better ? Yeah , no , I get it , I get it . Yeah , I get it .
Speaker 1No , but for real , man , how's the job ? First semester ? Last semester was the first semester and your second semester , oh , yeah , I'm gonna die here . Yeah , this is . Yeah , this is the best place . That bad . Oh man , like , I'm gonna be in my office like , and and lifespan is with the . Yeah , it's still got you . What class ? What class did they got you ? No man , it feels like jesus when you describe the classes you're teaching . It's like it's like when a young soccer player first gets to the first team yeah , and be like , welcome to the game . Number 75 . Yeah , that's like number 111 . Like 111 . Yeah , I've never seen three digits .
Speaker 1His jersey had to be extra large , just in the back . The front is medium but the back is extra fabric , running around with a cape . Nah , man , nah , it's great bro . Like it's . Yeah , man , it's great man . It's like , yeah , one of the best places I've ever worked at . I don't , I don't . This is the first time in my life I've had that combination of , like work and family and structure and like all that stuff you know . So , yeah , it's great , it's great , man , it's great , it's great . Yeah , yeah , it's great .
Speaker 1But , but also at the same time , yeah , it's it's weird to be in a place where my students are in my office and it's not irritating at all . It's just like for the past three years working at Grand Canyon University . I'm not seeing students , I can't even . I'm not seeing even my practicum and internship classes . Like I meet with them on a weekly basis , but like it's different when you meet with a student for practicum and internship and also you see them in the clinic , you know , and you see them taking their client back , you know , and they look at you like , hey , I'm gonna talk about this one in internship . You know it's like , oh , okay , cool . And I'm like , oh , I got , I got , I have 30 minutes . Let me watch that session .
Speaker 1You know , yeah , you just feel more part of life . Yeah , it's like you're a part of it . Yeah , you're like more , yeah , and it's dope when you have students that like understand that , buy into it and contribute to it . Yep , you know , like they recognize like , oh , this , this feels like you know we're building a community or something . Yeah , yeah . And then there's like the connection to the alumni too . You know , like we talked about , we talked about your supervisee in in a meeting that we had , because somebody was from Texas and we were just saying how like , yeah , our , our , our students whenever they move to wherever they're at , like they're connected with some of our , our people to supervise , you know , so it's like we're caring for them , even when they graduate from the program . You know , yeah , that's how it should be , man , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Is there anything you want to say to students before we wrap this up ? Anything , yeah , anything I want to say to my students ? Yeah , um , no , no , no , no . Anything you want to say to my students ? Yeah , no , no , no , no , no . Anything you want to say to my students , to your students ? Yeah , I know you don't know them , but what advice you got for them in this time ?
Speaker 1Whatever is broken can be fixed with time and therapy . So , whatever you're going through right now in any of his classes , anything can be fixed with time and therapy . Okay , so , if you need help , reach out to the community of clinicians out there that can really help you to like unpack some of the stuff you're learning in his classes . Listen , I'm not fussing Again , I'm not fussing , I'm just saying . I'm just saying that , whatever you feel , because I know you may be in it and you may not understand how broken you are , but you are a broken , lost soul if you've taken some of his classes . So just look in the mirror and repeat after me I'm broken and I'm lost . I'm broken , I'm lost and I need help .
Speaker 1All right , my students already know not to listen outside voices , so we keep them isolated . Yeah , it sounds mad abusive . They don't have , they can't contact anybody outside of the system . They know that . Hey , did you ? Did you sign the release form ? Yeah , it says that you cannot create any new relationships after you enter into this . So , yeah , especially if they're licensed , you know you can listen to anybody that's unlicensed . But , yeah , yeah , oh man , no , yeah , we're gonna come .
Speaker 1We're gonna come back with a more extensive version because we got some stuff that you know of want to talk about , about internship students and practicum students and some of the stuff that we're seeing , because that's what I'm teaching this semester . I'm teaching internship and multicultural , plus the book that we're writing that's due in July . We got to talk about that . We got lots of stuff to talk about . That . Man , we got lots of stuff to talk about . Yeah , yeah , we got a couple stuff . The article , the article we just published .
Speaker 1Yep , yeah , there's a couple , there's a couple things , man , yeah , it would be , it would be cool if we had a student . You know , come on the cast too . Um , I mean ex-student , no , current student , you know , whatever . Uh , just to just to get like , maybe , a student's perspective . You know , uh , we got some interviews coming up too , you know . Uh , maybe we should get on that . Uh , I'd love for booze to be a part of this , guys , but we wouldn't get anything done . So we need an hour and a half , yeah , yeah , anyway , but I gotta go do some therapy .
Peacemaking and Business Ventures
Speaker 1What you got to meet with somebody after this , I do . Yeah , a student , yeah , yeah , yeah . Uh-huh , are they waiting for you right now ? Uh-huh , yeah , bring them in . They're looking at me . I saw the glass right now . Right , yeah , I'm staring at them back .
Speaker 1Yeah , I give them one of these , the two finger peace sign . Give me a minute , give me a minute . But it can also be like I'm good , I'm good , come on in , everything's good . And so they open the door , but it's locked . If they do pull on the handle , they can be out there , like what is happening , and then I wave them off . Yeah , you got to keep them on their toes , yeah , and then I just sit and wait for five minutes . Yeah , yeah , yeah , that's why in some of our recording rooms I move the camera , because you can hear like a little whirling sound when you move the camera . So I move the camera just so that I know I'm always watching . I'm always watching , daddy's always there , big brother's always watching .
Speaker 1Alright , anyway , be on the lookout for Juice Pinky Toe Pigs . We're going to be selling them to raise money for my son's club team so you can get a two by two Polaroid . It's club team , so you can get a 2x2 Polaroid . It's going to cost you . Anyway , alright , y'all , we'll see y'all later At some point , at some point this month . Do , do , do , thank you .
