The Twin Therapists Podcast
Drs. Jude and Julius Austin, identical twin brothers, lift the curtain on the "doing" of psychotherapy. With unwavering honesty, raw vulnerability, and unwavering compassion for the complexities of the human condition, they illuminate the path for both fledgling clinicians and seasoned professionals alike. The Twin Therapists podcast is your gateway to a world where healing meets humanity, leaving no stone unturned in the relentless pursuit of understanding the depths of the human soul.
The Twin Therapists Podcast
Mental Health is Not Something to Protect, But to Use
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We catch up after months away, discussing our completed book "Mind Your Business: Merging Meaningful Work with Financial Wisdom" and sharing stories about our rapidly growing children. Our conversation explores the delicate balance between challenging clients to grow and respecting their boundaries.
• Julius and Jude share updates about family life and their unusually tall, deep-voiced children
• We discuss the completion of our book and how our writing process has evolved
• Reflections on our second year in academia and changes in counseling education approaches
• Exploration of "the two-way street" - different approaches to pushing clients toward growth
• Analysis of the difference between resilience and fragility in mental health
• Discussion of a viral video suggesting mental health isn't something to protect but to use
• Consideration of how boundaries can sometimes become avoidance strategies
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Catching Up After Months Away
Speaker 2All right , I'm ready whenever you are bro .
Speaker 1Are you though ? But are you though ? Are you though ?
Speaker 2Because I'm ready whenever you are bro . Are you though ? But are you though ? Are you though ? Because I'm ready and I , you know ? I just I checked our little podcast thing and the last time we came out with something it was like May , yeah , but what year ? What year ? 2025 . 2025 .
Speaker 2Oh , okay , that's not that , hey bro . Oh okay , that's not that , hey bro , that's not that far . That's like come , come on , man , come on that far . I don't think we have a single listener that's still listening to us , so we do because I hear about it . I hear about it man , I hear about it , hear about it in class , I hear about it everywhere yeah , me too and you know .
Speaker 2You know who you are , you know who you are calling me out . You know making me feel bad bringing shame into my life , I mean you know , bring it break . You know calling me out . You know making me feel bad bringing shame into my life , I mean you know , bring it . You know making me walk down the stairs of shame hood and no , no one can make you feel anything .
Speaker 1Yes , they can . Yes , they can and they need to apologize .
Speaker 2Yep , yeah , today we're going to talk about resiliency . We're going to talk about resiliency . Yeah , we're going , we're going , yeah , we're going . We got a lot to talk about , man . It's been a while . Welcome back , listener . It's been a couple months . We had a lot going on . I had I don't know if we recast it before Before my child was born , but I had a child . We had vacations , we had the end of the semester . Jude turned in his grades late , as he always does . Obviously , it's been an interesting couple weeks , man . We finished the book . We finished the book . We finished , we finished , and it , we finished the book .
Speaker 1We finished , we finished and it didn't finish us we finished .
Speaker 2It didn't finish us Almost . Almost , though , for a second Actually , we finished .
Speaker 1I was like I don't know who's finishing who .
Speaker 2We finished the book . We finished the book fairly early , you know we did . Obviously , this was the most . I feel like we're seasoned yeah you know , we know our voice .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know yeah , this is one of the easiest books to write .
Speaker 2Uh yeah , I felt like it was so much more . It was so much easier to kind of trim the little excess bits and add in the you know know , like the cool stuff that you know how , you know when you're editing and you're like at the midnight hour of editing . I felt like I was able to do that stuff while I was writing , you know .
Speaker 1Yeah , just kind of sculpted a little bit more .
Speaker 2Yeah , and also you know . So the book that we wrote , I guess we can share the name of it . Yeah , I don't even remember the name of it .
Speaker 1Here , let me look it up real quick Well you know that's terrible ? Well , it's true . When you're like writing something . No , we've been calling it .
Speaker 2Yeah , we've been calling it something different , so the original title was called the Business of Counseling .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2You know , and then while we were writing it , kind of towards the end of the book , we changed the name , Mainly because we just wanted something a little bit different . I think the publishing company did too . So we called it Mind your Business Merging Meaningful Work with Financial Wisdom .
Speaker 1Uh-huh .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so G is his first author on this one . So if y'all um so he took , I mean it's obviously send all your , your complaints to him .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Um , you can send them at complaintsgmail , at I don't carecom . Uh , it's , it's so , we did's so we did so . We did that .
Speaker 1We turned that in in July , July , July 30th yeah . Yeah , and so man , we had a lot we had a lot .
Speaker 2we had a lot going on , man . So you know we don't . We don't do our best efforts to to be more consistent this semester . I think we can Look . We got a time we're going to be recording the same time every week , same day , same time every week , and so hopefully we can get something more consistent out there . Don't make him lie to y'all Don't make him lie to y'all hey look , I'm trying my best . I mean , look , honestly , it's y'all's fault .
Speaker 1No , no , no . I just want to point out .
Speaker 2I just want to point out how it's like yeah we got a consistent time , we got it and I said don't make him lie to y'all . And it transitioned to I'm going to try my best . So with that , you know , when you ask somebody hey man , y'all want to come over , maybe they ain't coming over . So when somebody asks me if I'm going to do something , I say yeah , for sure I'm coming . If I say , maybe , let me check with my wife , I ain't coming ,
Finishing the Book: Mind Your Business
Speaker 2I ain't coming Ain't .
Speaker 1I . All right , let's check in man , let's check in for the people .
Speaker 2So Jude has this agenda for us today . How about you tell the class no , but listen , because I've been letting you run this thing . And I told you I didn't want to do this podcast . I said I don't want to do it , I don't want to do it , and you too . I said I just want to write my books , man . And then you said come on , please , big brother , please , big brother , do this with me .
Speaker 2It'll make me so happy , yeah . And so I said , all right , man , you can run it . Look , you do everything , you structure it . Come to find out you never had a structure .
Speaker 2You just been been waiting for me , you know , to take the reins , and so big brother's here I got you , I'm here for you , man , okay , yeah , yeah , and so here's , here's , here's the structure , and let the class , let the class know the structure . We're gonna check in . We could talk about our family , talk about work , talk about uh , well , you're mainly gonna talk about your personal life because I'm , I'm good , so I don't have anything going on actually . So , um , you hear you cry for a little bit , and then , uh , and then we're going to talk about a topic of the day , something that came up . You know , jews , you have something . We try not to cast the cast before it's casted , uh , and so uh , yeah , we don't know .
Speaker 2Yeah , we don't really have stuff that come up and so we , we , you know and then after that , we're going to end with a little social media psychology video , something that we could use , and I send videos to each other all the time . Some of those videos could for sure get us 100 percent fired from our universities .
Speaker 1One hundred percent .
Speaker 2I beg to differ . One , two thousand percent . I , just I , just when I'm gone , when I'm gone to the next , to the next life , burn my devices , burn them , stomp on that SIM card . I don't even know if phones still have SIM cards . Hey , open it up and look at it . Don't , in fact , shoot the satellite . I don't want my children being like . Is that the type of man my father was ? Jeez , burn it . Anyway , we send videos back and forth . I send appropriate ones . You just be sending those not safe for work ones . My algorithm is wild .
Speaker 1Yeah , your algorithm is I don't even let my wife on my phone .
Speaker 2I don't even want her to see what type of man I am Brick by brick . You built that . Is he Brick by brick ? But no , yeah , so we'll talk about just some video . Sometimes , I mean just seriously , we , we , we send each other stuff that's like oh , that's , that fits a conversation we had two years ago , you know so , uh , so we'll be sharing that here too . You know , shouting out some people that said stuff so um , all right , let's , let's do some , uh , some , check-ins , man .
Speaker 2What's been going on for you , bro ? Bro , I got this this . Thank you so much for you , bro , bro , I got this funny story man . Thank you so much for checking in , bro , All right , so let me check in . Nah man Bro , I didn't even know if I should share this man , so if it's appropriate , keep it in . If not , then I'll find something else to share bro .
Speaker 1All right . So the other day I me cue the music up .
Speaker 2Okay , alright , go ahead . Bruh , I'm putting the kids down for bed right , and you know . So I have a key in the ballot that I put down for bed right . Every night , we hang out , we talk maybe we'll watch a video and we talk about it . It's like their time to ask questions , you know . And some nights we watch Power Rangers , and you know , and some nights we watch Power Rangers , and you know , they ask questions and I say don't .
Speaker 2So , father , why did you hit me today ? Why do you hit me harder than the other children ? Father ? Why are you always in the corner crying ? Why do you talk in your sleep Something about I don't want to , I don't want to , something about a mortgage ? Father , why can't I never drink what's in your water bottle ? What is daddy juice ? What is and why is it brown ? Father ? Why do you pour so many liquids into your
Family Updates and Growing Children
Speaker 2Father ? How far exactly is the grocery store ? And why did you stay in the bathroom so long ?
Speaker 2Yesterday , finally heard you sobbing . Are you okay ? Are you okay , father ? Oh , oh , oh . Anyway , I'm putting him down for bed , and you know , oh , man , bro , anyway , no , I put him down for bed , bro , and you know , and this is gross , mind you , just the gross , you know . Just so you know , I got all boys , so Everybody's adults here , you know . Yeah , so man . So I put him down for bed . He can give hugs and kisses and stuff , man , and I'm like , all right , see you tomorrow , we're going to do something fun . You know , walk out , and you know Fallon goes . Daddy , I love you , good night .
Speaker 2I'll see you in the morning . Love you too , dude . And so I go out and close the door . Right before I close the door , fallon ripped a fart dog . That was so loud . Yeah , I thought something had burst . I thought he had had burst . Yes , I thought he had had a balloon . Got to be it got to be . Yeah , dog . And so I cracked the door open . I was like valent , you okay , and he goes . Yeah , that was just my booty saying good night to you , you gotta say it back I I'm not saying goodnight to your farts man , because you got to say goodnight to my fart daddy .
Speaker 2Goodnight , violent farts . Goodnight . I was like dog . Why are boys so disgusting ? Yeah , why are they so disgusting , dog ? Yeah , I can't even tell you how many times I've just me and Megan have just thrown away underwear Because there's no cleaning , there's no amount .
Speaker 1These are done .
Speaker 2These are done . Yeah , there's no amount of these are done . Yeah , it's bad . It's bad man , these are done . Yeah , there's no amount of these are done . Yeah , it's bad , it's bad . It's bad man it's bad .
Speaker 2Anyway , other than that , man , everybody's doing good . Bro , kenan starts first grade . I mean , bro , it's big man , it's big man , he's excited . Bro , school starts this week . I mean , you know , we've done nothing this summer , nothing . No , you're supposed to teach them how to read . You're supposed to do arithmetics and stuff .
Speaker 2No , you know what my kids learned this summer , bro ? They learn how to swim in the ocean and not hold fireworks in their hand . They learn . They learn how to not shoot each other with fireworks . They learn how to climb trees . They climb the big tree , not , they know how to climb trees . They climb the big tree . They know how to climb trees , but the big tree . They got brave and went down the big water slide at the water park . That's what they learned this summer . And look , if that sets them back in school , then look , we should have been set back . And look at us , yeah , look at us Jude . Yeah , look at us man . Yeah , look at us man . We can barely read the book we wrote , yeah , but that's okay , that's okay , we're good people , you know . And we know how to climb trees , you know , and that's really all that matters Bro we could track a hurricane like nobody's business .
Speaker 2Oh man , you tell me when a hurricane starts , I will , I will triangulate . Hey man , I know how to do it . In our eighth grade year at immaculate heart of mary , all the whole year , all we learned how to do was track hurricanes . That's it no math , no reading , no signs , no , nothing . We got to our freshman year at karen , grow high , and they had this big white , white like this big sheet on the board with like little letters on the board and like boxes and stuff , and it just it looked like it looked like it looked like a wheel of fortune , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2so they were like , you know , they gave us an assignment just to kind of test , where everybody's aptitude was , you know , and they were like you're going to need the periodic table for this and we were like , okay , where do you ?
Speaker 1is it in the ?
Speaker 2cafeteria . Was it on the school list ? Yeah , I don't think . My mom bought me a periodic table .
Speaker 1She doesn't need batteries .
Speaker 2Yeah , I didn't bring batteries and they're like no , it's right there . We were like okay , so what do you do with it ? You know ?
Speaker 1And then somebody did that .
Speaker 2Yeah , you just use the periodic table to answer the questions about the . Never seen a periodic table before in our lives , ever , you know ? Not a single , not a single , not a single . Now , I've seen tables . Now , did we , like they dumped a crawfish on the tables ? Did we Periodically ? Did we win the Catholic school basketball championship every year ? Yeah , for sure , eight years in a row , for sure , eight years in a row Never saw a science , not a science , not one science . A science , not one science . You know it's bad when you call your math teacher uncle yeah , that's when it's yeah that's bad .
Speaker 2Anyway , bro , how you doing , man ? How's your family man ? Hey bro , we got to see him .
Speaker 1Yeah , man , we got to see him , man , hey .
Speaker 2Jeeves . I got a question , bro , what ? I got a question . What do we feed him ? But why are you kids so big ? I don't know , bro , I have no idea . My Cairo is eight years old and he is five , five , five and one , 95 pounds . When your two-year-old is as tall as my four-year-old yeah , that's a , yeah , it's a . When your two-year-old yeah , that's , that's a , yeah , it's a . And when your , when your two-year-old is wearing 5T .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2It's a problem . I mean , I would make jokes about how , you know , I'm stuffing creatine in their , in their sippy cups and stuff you know . But nah , bro , it's just good old fashioned . Go to Old Fashioned . 337 Cooking Pork chops , ribs , red beans , white beans . Rice and gravy , sausage , ham , crawfish , etouffee , turkey legs , pigeon , alligator , raccoons , everything , turtle , possum meat , I mean they just you know , yeah , bro , we Boudin balls , shrimp Boudin balls .
Speaker 2Shrimp , boudin balls , crabs , crawfish , zandoui , everything , everything . That's what they eat , bro . Crawfish etouffee . They eat , they eat and they work out . That's it . Eat and work out , that's it , bro . During the summer , during the summer , we worked out three times a day . I mean sprinting , weight lifting , I'm talking . Cairo played soccer from sun up to sun down . I mean , we , we have a whole I'm calling those people yeah it's , it's , don't .
Speaker 2I didn't , I don't want this , I don't want this life I don't want you know . You know , cairo came waking me up at 4.30 in the morning saying , daddy , can we go work out ? I said yes , son . Yes , we can Thought you never asked . Yes , we can Thought you never asked . You see that tire right there . Yeah , go bring that tire to Honerville and then run back it to a bro bridge but you know , be kind of quick and bro bridge , because it's a little ratchet and then and then come back .
Speaker 2You may not come back right yes , yeah , they just big bro , they just , you know , I don't know , I don't know we , you know we , and their voices are deep , we can't . Sometimes Kyra answers your phone and I'm like hello . He's like hey , yeah , I wish I could make jokes about this . But like we legit go to that pediatrician and it's like it's something wrong with their vocal cords , like what is like what do we ? Is there something we should be aware of ? And she's like it's only going to get deeper , you know , uh yeah every day I feel less and less of a man .
Speaker 2Uh , with , with , with those two boys in the house , yeah um it's uh , I get it and you already started so low . I took all of the testosterone and so I know , I know it's tough . We don't have to talk about it . We don't have to talk about it , it's okay .
Speaker 1I just don't understand .
Speaker 2Nah , big brothers . Big brothers , do you mean to hurt me ?
Speaker 1Or is it ?
Speaker 2It's just . No . I mean , I thought we , I thought my bad , I thought you processed this already . But okay , I didn't want to trigger you . But it's the low T , it's the low T y'all . That's what it is . That's it . It's a little something , man . All I know is we went to Great Wolf Lodge this weekend and , yeah , all I did was stand in the pool with the kids . And why is my lower back hurting ?
Speaker 1Yeah , and why is my calves hurting ?
Speaker 2They wrecked that hotel .
Speaker 1Oh , it was bad .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , it was bad . Yeah , you know when it's like , okay , all right , I know this is not our place to clean , but we got to , but come on , have some , have some .
Speaker 2I don't want the cleaning people to come in and be like geez , I mean , who stayed here ? Yeah , I mean , come on . Yeah , man , we're good brother . You know , zuri is four months , four months yesterday . She made four months yesterday , man , so just getting bigger , bro , like the kids all love her . You know it's just like , yeah , so interesting having like a fourth kid in the house . You know it's just like , yeah , so interesting having like a fourth kid in the house . You know , especially now with , like the place that you know me and megan are in in our careers . You know , um , yeah , just having that .
Speaker 2Like today , right before this call , I went walk outside with her for , like you know , 20 minutes and uh you know I don't , I can , I don't have any clients scheduled , I don't have any students scheduled , so I have the ability to just be with her . You know , I don't have any clients scheduled , I don't have any students scheduled , so I have the ability to just be with her , you know , which I wouldn't have had earlier on in my career Because I was just in the butt in seat seeing clients . You know .
Speaker 1Yeah , man Speaking of work , bro Speaking of work .
Speaker 2How was work , bro ? This your second year at UL ? Yeah , this be my second year . Yeah , bro , second year at UF . Yeah , this will be my second year . Second year at UF . Yeah , it's good . Hey , tell your program director . It's a no , oh , okay , because he keeps calling and he keeps saying I don't know where he keeps , he keeps wondering . That's interesting , he keeps wondering . That's interesting . I'm like that's interesting because I cannot shake yours . They are . They
Second Year Reflections on Academia
Speaker 2have resorted to the 1-800 numbers to get me to pick up . Wait till they get the alumni director to call you .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's bad .
Speaker 2Jeff to call you . That's it . It's bad , bro . I've seen it work . No , it's good though , man , but I am learning some stuff . You know I am learning , you know , just like , how absolutely ruthless our master's program was . You know ours , ours , yeah , the one we graduated from and how , how , um like not in caring , not in um like not uncaring , not not .
Speaker 2I mean , we talked about this , yeah , but we talked about this before , yeah , just how different , how different a lot of master's programs are nowadays . For sure , you know , for sure , um , yeah , how uh political they've become , you know , to the , to the sense of , like , you know , student to to teacher ratio and how much students , and can you even kick students out of a program . You know , I felt like when we were students , we didn't really have a lot of power . You know , I think nowadays these students really have a lot more power , and say so in whether or not they get kicked out of the program or not . You know , I think that we've always had the power .
Speaker 1I think we've always had the power . I think we've always had this power .
Speaker 2I think this generation of students are just way more aware of , like what they you know , their resources , yeah , exactly so you know they have this thing of like .
Speaker 2you know you can't just kick me out because you don't like the type of person I am . And I think when we were master students you could very much so get kicked out because they just didn't like your personhood , like , they just didn't feel like your personhood fit for the profession , you know . But you see , dog like , in our program we do this thing where we evaluate their disposition . Oh yeah , you know .
Speaker 2So it's like ability , skill , knowledge and then disposition . You know , and , honestly , jason Martin , you know Dr Martin , who left our program , you know , like a couple last year I think , but he was amazing , but he was the one who like pushed us to like put in dispositional analysis so that we can , you know , have a conversation with somebody and then maybe counsel them out of the program . Yeah , if their personalities just didn't fit , you know , like if we felt like their personalities was going to hurt somebody or oh yeah , or get themselves hurt .
Speaker 2For sure , we for sure we , we definitely have those things . I think it's just a personal thing for me and that , like , I only want the very best students in a cohort to graduate . Yeah , you know , and sometimes we'll graduate 23 or 25 or 30 . Yeah , and it's like , bro , come on , man , all 25 of these students are not , like the , the best that we could possibly graduate , you know . Um , so yeah , it's just kind of like . But you know , I'm because , like , I've been in the field for a long time but this is my first time really settling in as like a face-to-face . Yeah , you know , I've been just doing clinical work , you know , so it's just interesting little learning curve , you , you know where I'm like .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , so yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , we , I mean we it's it's tough . It's tough , I feel like , because I think once you accept a student into the program , you know there is like your university at least ours , you know it feels like our university is like do whatever you can to get the students through Exactly you know , not , not like not graduate them , you know , not like just give them a grad , a degree , but like I think it's like do whatever you can to support them , get well , do whatever you can to get them through the , you know .
Speaker 2But sometimes students get in their own way . Well , yeah , yeah , and then they you get to a point where we can't help them . Yeah , but I I also think that students enter into a graduate program with this ideal that they're going to graduate .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know like with this , just like ideal that oh , yeah , I'm going to graduate .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm going to steal another line from Jason , you know . But he said you're entering into this program and you have the opportunity to get a degree . Right , you know , right . And I think sometimes we forget that as faculty , as well as the students forget that as students . Yeah , you know , and we start thinking well , we have to try to support them through and students think I'm paying for this .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , you know . Yeah , support them through and students think I'm paying for this . Yeah , yeah , you know . Yeah , which you know that that definitely impacts the training you know experience yeah , and that's it .
Speaker 2I got to my students who are listening to this . I'll stop them every time they say something . They'll be like oh yeah , because I'm graduating . And I'm like , if you graduate , yeah , and I say it in a joking way because it's all lighthearted , you know but also , at the same time , it's like they just have this assumption that they're going to , you know , like I'm in here , I'm paying my money , so I should graduate , I'm taking my classes , so I should graduate . It's like , hey man , yeah , yeah , it's tough man . So we , you know , we just we're accepting our new cohort in .
Speaker 1And y'all are too right .
Speaker 2Yeah how many do y'all have in this new ?
Speaker 1cohort .
Speaker 2Like 20 , 25 ? I think we have around 25 , 27 . 25 , somewhere around there ? Yeah , something around there . But yeah , we just met with a man . Okay , yeah , when y'all yeah , we're doing our orientation . I should probably look at that we just did ours last week , man . And it was good man . It's like I love when we get new students , man Like , and they're excited but they're also terrified . You know , like I feel like our alumni does a really good job of like kind of like sharing and preparing and the .
Speaker 2CSI members come in and talk , you know , and we meet , we meet with them and we sit and we talk around at the table and we eat barbecue and stuff and it's dope . But you could tell man , he could tell that , like , people just don't know what they're getting into , and that's the question I asked at my table , you know , and the other tables I went to is like , do y'all really know what you're getting into ? Yeah , like , yeah , you know , like , yeah , it's tough , man , it's tough , you know , and so , and so anyway , we got a good lineup man . Uh , the first class is monday , tuesday , wednesday , you know this week . So class today , tuesday , and then I I rhymed it off on wednesday , and so it should be a good lineup man , when are you so ? When are you ? So ? What are you teaching ? What are you teaching this semester ? I'm teaching theories , okay , yeah theories .
Speaker 2I'm teaching two sections of theories , one section of internship and then another section of couples therapy . Oh , you're teaching an overload . Yeah , yeah man . Yeah , we're down the faculty too . You know , and like I mean you know this stuff . I mean you know it because you're usually the faculty member leaving , you know Wow that was hurtful . But okay , yeah , sure , it's true , yeah .
Speaker 1You're usually the one . No , but the way you said it .
Speaker 2It was like there was an undercurrent of you're usually the faculty member that's abandoning . Well , I didn't want to say that , but that's the truth , it's fine .
Speaker 1You're usually the neglectful family , that's just piecing out in the middle of a I am a selfish person who is money hungry ?
Speaker 2I don't . I'm not , there's no , I'm not hiding behind . I will go to whoever pays me the most money . You're the first counselor educating a mercenary ? Yeah , there's no , I am a mercenary . Yeah , if I'm not happy daddy's leaving Daddy's leaving . I don't mind changing my email address . Anyway , man , yes , I'm teaching those . Oh boy , hey bro . Anyway , man , yes , I'm teaching those classes , man .
Speaker 2I'm teaching couples for the first time . Hey , bro , hey man For the first time . Yeah , I've never taught couples before . I've taught marriage and family classes , obviously because I'm dual licensed . That's why they initially brought me in yeah , but I've never taught couples counseling man . And brought me in yeah , but , but I've never taught couples counseling man . And bro , I'm excited bro , yeah , man , oh , that's a fun class , bro , I'm teaching it .
Speaker 2I'm teaching it like an applied techniques class , okay , yeah , you know like couples counseling , but applied techniques and weaving in some theory and stuff , and uh , yeah , bro , so wait , this is a marriage and family , marriage and family and couples class , or are the two separate couples ? So it's a marriage and family class and then a couples class is separate ? No , so , so it's in the marriage and family track . Okay , yeah , right , and the class is called couples counseling . Okay , okay , so the whole class is focused on couples , just couples , just couples , so not families , not families Just couples , and so it's going to be .
Speaker 2What are we doing ? Basic skills first , then we're doing theory application , and then we're doing issues , specific issues like sex and intimacy and money and power and infidelity , and how do you work with couples who face those specific issues and death and dying , just all kinds of stuff . So you want to pretty much teach him like what you're going to do in your , in your relationship with your wife right now .
Speaker 1Well , I was going to , I was going to know you said cheating and , and you know , miscommunication and the money .
Speaker 2You forgot the money , money and all that stuff . So in the drugs , yeah . So when are you going to get to like a textbook type thing , or is it just going to be from your personal no textbooks yeah , just personal experience , I'm actually gonna bring my diary , okay , my journal . You know what would be better if you just brought , brought lindsey in and just well , I was gonna actually have each hash it out yeah , take a week .
Speaker 2We got 16 weeks . I got about 10 students in there and I was was just going to have them just counsel us for free . You should put cameras up in your house and just record live stream . And then you go and be like do you see how she jibed at me right here ? Do you see how she ?
Speaker 1hurt my feelings right here .
Speaker 2Yeah , now we talking . Now tell me how Tell me why she's doing this to me . No , you look in the book and you tell me what conceptualized it for me . Now you tell her how wrong she is . That's why I brought you here , because to tell her how wrong she is . They don't know that , though the students don't know that I made up a fake syllabi I put up there , but it's just going to be them giving us re-therapy . I just need help . Yeah , it's just going to be them giving us re-therapy .
Speaker 1I just need help . Yeah , it's just going to be us ?
Speaker 2That's dope , man , that's dope , that's dope . Nah , bro , it should be pretty fun , man . Anyway , what classes are you teaching ? I'm teaching multiculturality , so I'm teaching two sections of multicultural counseling .
Speaker 2Did I give you my syllabi and all of my handouts and class assignments and stuff ? I think it went to the junk folder automatically . Well , no , because you said again you came up to me like Big Brother , please , big Brother , I don't know what I'm doing . Big Brother , that's what you keep saying . I don't know why you keep calling me Big Brother . But all right , I don't know why you keep this fallacy . I don't know why you keep that .
Speaker 1I send you all my stuff , man .
Speaker 2No , I'm like trying to revamp that class , bro , just trying to make a transition from . You know , today we're talking about Asians , tomorrow we're talking about black people , the next day we're talking about Italians . And I'm like , oh my God , this is , I can't wait . Ethnicity education . Yeah , man , it's like . Hey , okay , so with this culture , you don't look them in the eye because they don't . Jesus and the books , the books are multicultural .
Speaker 2The books , man , the books . Yeah , I'm seriously doing away with books and just transitioning into more of like an intersectionality type of education . You know where , like , people come in with like multiple identities that they use as a reference point to build their how this , you know , this identity interacts with this identity or with this . Yeah , man , you know , with this culture , part of their , you know part of a culture interacts with this part of a culture that they both know that they belong to and how it interacts and how it's influencing their family or their relationship or whatever you know outside of .
Speaker 2hey , I , I'm black and I need help you know like
The Two-Way Street of Client Resilience
Speaker 2it's , and you know what happens is the students look for a formula on how to work with a particular culture , you know , and so they're like okay , so when this person walks into the room , how do I treat them ? What should I do ? You know what should I do ? And it's like ew , ew , why are we still teaching ? You know , think the , I think the . You know the . Uh , you know some of the , the like the .
Speaker 2You know racial identities like some of the models , for sure yeah , we should , you know , like kind of talk about those things , but I think for the most part , we should talk a little bit more about what's . What does spirituality look like in session , you know ? And ?
Speaker 1how do you man and experience ?
Speaker 2it and experience it a little bit activities you know like just you know things like that man . So student , you know , because the last thing , the last thing I feel like people want , is for you to sit up there and just lecture . Yeah , yeah , you know , yeah , but yeah , so that you know , and so you take multi-cultural two sections of multi-cultural and practical .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , they don't overwork us , like you know , like we some type of like you know , we're roofers over there , some type of concrete workers ? Well , no , I just thought I taught . Yeah , I taught multicultural last semester . I taught career counseling , life span , but how ?
Speaker 2was it ? How was the classes in two semesters ? No , I taught it . Did I teach it last semester ? I thought you did . Maybe I did teach it last semester . So what ? You teaching this semester same thing , I'm teaching the same thing . Yeah , the way that it works . But what , bro ? What's going on down there in Louisiana ? Bruh , we got three cohorts going at the same time , man .
Speaker 1We do too , bruh . I don't understand .
Speaker 2I just don't understand . You can't just , you know , have , hey , man , we're only teaching multicultural in the fall , so you got to get it in , you know . But it's called a curriculum . Oh , that's what it's called , okay . Yeah , it's not called a spider web , okay .
Speaker 1That's a jog .
Speaker 2I know that some of your students reached out to me because they were filled with terror , not knowing when they were going to graduate . So it's the same . It's the same time every year , may every year . Two years , three semesters . Classes roll out just like they do . You don't even need advising , you just need mentorship , you just need caring what they don't get .
Speaker 2What they don't get , because your faculty is too busy in somebody's dungeon playing D&D . The word on the street is is too busy in somebody's dungeon playing D&D ? Yeah , the word on the street is they don't even see y'all . All they see is we just all together dressing robes and throwing dice . I heard May was in a full guard going to class .
Speaker 1We keep that inside man .
Speaker 2What's next on your agenda , man ? What's ?
Speaker 1two people's role Topic of the day , bro .
Speaker 2You said topic of the day . You said you want to talk about two-way street . Yeah , man , yeah .
Speaker 1So two-way street .
Speaker 2Maybe we can just briefly touch on this man , but kind of like what we were talking about before , of like our master's program versus like other master's programs , you know ? Yeah , this is just what I'm seeing . I think some students have the training of let me try to avoid helping my clients to experience potential hurtful feelings . So you know they see the client as fragile , you know , or ?
Speaker 2the client as potentially fragile , so like I don't want to bring this up because this may push the client over the edge You've heard that before . Right , push the client over the edge , and I think the way we were trained was more or less like let's try to find that edge and figure out what is the thing that will push the client over the edge or jump together .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Or jump together off the edge , yeah , to push the client over the edge because jump together , yeah , jump together off the edge , yeah , or jump you know because ? Because I think the client is a little bit more resilient than maybe even they know they are you know , and so . So sometimes , when I'm talking to students , I'm like I have this question of like , what edge are you actually talking about here ? You know , is it a real edge off of some cliff , into some abyss where the client will never be able to recover from ?
Speaker 2Or is this an edge that you've created , because that going over that edge with the client is going so far beyond the skill level that you're at that you don't even know if you could possibly help the client back up to like some healthier place . You know . So one client , when students are like I don't want it because I may push the client over the edge , like what edge are you actually talking about here ? Is it that the client created or did you create it ? You know , and I think that's the two streets . I think I think there's one camp that's like I'm trying to find the edge and there's another camp that's like I'm trying to find the edge and there's another camp that's like , once I find the edge , I'm trying to avoid going over it .
Speaker 2And I'm not saying either one is right or wrong . I'm just saying I'm seeing that with some of my students that some students are willing , some students push their client over this edge that they've created and they don't know how to help the client get back over and it becomes an absolute circus in session . You know , and some clients I mean some students they don't go far enough with their clients , right , they can sense the , the fragility within the relationship and they're like nah , I don't want to talk about how you want to be this good person , but you're , like you know , kicking everybody in your life down . So in actuality , you're not this good person . They won't be upfront about that . The way that they experience clients .
Speaker 1You know , does that make sense ?
Speaker 2Oh yeah , no , not at all . Okay , yeah , you lost me . No , it does , though man it does , and like and I think like the the fear is that you're gonna hurt somebody . Right , you know that's the fear , but but in a relationship , you do people hurt . People get hurt all the time .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , but I think it's more about permission too . Yeah , like , you know , like if I think about , I'm trying to think about our faculty , and I think one of the hallmarks of our identity is that we've all been pushed over the edge , right , okay , each one of us , each one of us is a faculty member In your education In your training . Therapeutically Okay , we've all had some therapeutic experience . We've all chased health in our lives so far that we had to die to ourselves kind of thing .
Speaker 2We had to sit and face yourself in the mirror and be , I mean , ugly tears , pushed , you know . I mean you know I think about some of the stuff May has students doing , you know , and it's like it's to push them .
Speaker 2you know it's to like you know , and we've all been there and I think our students see that in us you know , like they see that we have been to that edge and have jumped over it and had somebody there with us and you know um , and so I think just our presence alone gives them permission to do that . You know , you know what I mean . Where I've been around some faculty members who you can tell like they don't , they don't want to be pushed , they don't want to crack right , they haven't been cracked right do you ?
Speaker 2know what I mean , like I'm not saying that they haven't experienced struggles or like hard things , but they haven't like , fallen off the edge , been in therapy group individual , had somebody do these things breath therapy , you know like , yeah , all the things they haven't done , you know , and so they're a little uptight or they're a little protective , protective and they don't want their students to see them .
Speaker 1You know what I mean .
Speaker 2Like really see them as human beings who struggle and who don't know and who don't have it all together . Yeah , going through life right along with them . They don't want . You know what I mean . Yeah , and so obviously that parallels into the training , yeah , yeah , like into the clinic , into the relationships they have with their clients . Yeah , you know , it's like I don't want to push my client to the edge , not just because I may not be able to go there , but because I don't want to put my supervisor in a position to where they may now have to come with us on this journey and I don't know how their life is set up , or if you know what .
Speaker 1I mean . It's like it's like there .
Speaker 2You think that because there's one particular student that I'm thinking about , one of my students who is what's their ID ? Student that I'm thinking about one of my students who is what's their ID number ? Come on , man Break for a second so you can . Yeah , bro , you can finally come over here and we can have fun together . Well , and maybe it's not a student , maybe it's like an archetype of a student , maybe it is just one student that I'm thinking about , but you know , they get into the room and they have this . Oh , I'm confrontational .
Speaker 1You know I'm about to you know , like For sure . That skull cracker . Yeah , you know , and it's like but you're not actually good though .
Speaker 2Yeah , you know like you're not . Yeah , you don't reflect feeling at all . You know like I mean , I mean deep , deep resonating feeling and emotion in the relationship . You know like your client's not necessarily seen , you know like there's . You know there's no creation of that type of therapeutic . You know depth within the relationship . You know so all there is is confrontation , and I think sometimes students can get confused with . In order to , to push clients to like the edge in quotation , you gotta confront , you have to be confrontational . You know , and like that's not what I'm not talking about , that like you're gonna , I'm gonna , push you up against this corner , you're gonna feel the nah , man , it's like you know , in this room you can't hide from . You know the what you know to be true , yeah , the truth , yeah , with you , what you and I know to be true , exactly you know , and I'm not gonna , I'm not gonna force you in a sense , to to see it . All I'm going to do is reflect it within the relationship .
Speaker 2You know , reflect the feeling , reflect the emotion , reflect what you're not gonna say , you're not gonna you're not gonna force him to see it , but you're gonna reflect it enough to where not seeing it yeah , is an intentional act , exactly you know . And then I , and then I'll call out that intentional act to avoid it , and that's fine . But you have to own the avoidance . And I think sometimes students go in thinking I have to be confrontational to push clients . That's what real pushing is , or the words that they say is I have to call them out .
Speaker 1Call them out .
Speaker 2You know it's like yeah , but , like you know , sometimes there's like this absence of connection . You know which makes the call out fall flat , you know , or hurtful , yeah , or the client will just be like oh yeah , you're right , yeah , I can see how you know they'll just like agree with it , agree , you know , and like get me out of here .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , that's the two things that you know . That kind of came up for me . You know the two streets that kind of came up for me . When , you know , just doing supervision and stuff and seeing students , and with supervision and stuff and seeing students and yeah , so I don't know , maybe listeners can , maybe listeners , maybe they are the ones who's you know , on those either paths , you know , yeah , I would say , I would say , just think about it , man , because like , look , I'll say , I'll say this , like when we had the new students come in , right , and you're sitting around and you're talking to them and you know you're moving from table to table and you're getting to know them . Like , doc , there is a little bit of an assessment going on .
Speaker 1Oh , for sure .
Speaker 2You know , like you know what I mean . There's a little assessment of like , okay , like , where are you ? Yeah , you know where are you . How are you responding to this situation ? How are you responding to me ? You could tell the ones that you know are a little bit integrated and you can tell the ones that are like man , they are going to need validation , they are going to struggle , their relationship with their partner is not the best you know , Like , are they immature , you know , and they're nervous , like you can just feel .
Speaker 2get a sense for all of that stuff , you know , and like my hope , you know , and like my , my hope , you know , and what I especially if they're listening right now is to really do a deep dive and think who am I Like ? Which one of these archetypes am I , you know ? Am I the type of student that that will , like you know , push and hurt just because I want ? I want to crack skulls ? You know , and you're doing , are you going to be doing therapy with brass , knuckles on ?
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Or are you the type that's like yeah , I'm coming in unhealthy . Yeah , I'm coming in unhealthy . Yeah , you know what I mean ? Like my life's a wreck . You have those students too , man that have come in oh yeah , doc , I feel like students that the amount of students that come into these counseling programs in like a poorly established relationship Tenuous .
Speaker 1Tenuous Hanging on by a thread yeah .
Speaker 2And then they come into the program and like mid-program they're going through like this huge breakup yeah , you know , Like this personality-defining breakup , you know and are like they'll try to date somebody else in the program , Like what are you ?
Speaker 2doing . Yeah , and you know , and you know , you know what's worse to me and not like and again , this is like , not a judgment , this is just like an observation . It's like somebody who who has to like watch this stuff happening . It's when they get closer and closer , not because they care about each other , but because they're battle buddies . Yeah , you know what I mean . Like you know whether or not they're in the program together , or whether or not they are you know dating somebody outside of the program .
Speaker 2You know what I mean , and it's like a 10-year relationship . They just started . They just got married , yeah , you know , and they're going through this and so now , they have to like join to get through this two years or two semesters you know , I guess eight years in y'all's case .
Speaker 2Um , wow , you know , I mean some of y'all students are taking classes , the same classes over and over again , apparently , but uh , yeah , and so , uh , yeah , you , yeah , you shouldn't have three diversity classes on your transcript Just for the Jews as students . You shouldn't . In some of these programs definitely they need three diversity classes . No , but you know what I mean .
Speaker 1It's like maybe trying to get some awareness of you know trying to get some awareness , the faculty look like one person .
Speaker 2Everybody looks yeah , anyway man . All right , bro , you know , the faculty look like one person , everybody looks .
Speaker 2Yeah , anyway , man all right , bro , all right , yeah , yeah , that that's that's . That's a good topic , bro , that's a good topic . You did good . Thanks for bringing that to me . I mean you are , yeah , yeah , um , so you want to talk about the um , the , the uh . You know the uh , the little video you sent me , bro , yeah , I mean you , you know , I feel like you know it a little better than me because you had to kind of queue it up , you know . But there's this one . I don't , I don't know the name of the of the therapist . You don't have to , you have to say it out loud , okay .
Speaker 2So let me , let me , let me set it up , man . So there's this . Julius sends me these videos on Instagram , right ? He just constantly needs communication and validation . I never respond , but he keeps sending them over and over and over again . Okay , well , look , I'm going to play this and then maybe you can hear it . If not , julius is going to hear it . Oh yeah , I'll dub it in there . You'll dub it in . Okay , I'll dub it in there . You'll dub it in . Ok , I'll play it in and I'll kind of read it . Can you hear it ?
Speaker 1So when people say mental health is important , I try to figure out what exactly do you mean ? Because when I hear that , what I think you're saying is that we should take care of it and protect it . And if that's the case , then you just proved to me that you , we , society , we have absolutely no idea what mental health actually is . Because mental health isn't something that you protect and I keep saying it over and over again it's something that you use . It's a vehicle . It's not this delegate thing that needs to be sheltered from stress , discomfort or adversity . It's how you think , feel and function in response to life , especially during the hard parts .
Speaker 1And if your definition of taking care of your mental health means cutting people off , only existing in a safe place , setting boundaries and avoiding anything toxic , you don't have mental health . You have fragility , and here's what people don't want to hear . Fragility isn't a flex . It means your ability to handle life is conditioned on things being easy , predictable or perfectly aligned with your comfort . It means stress destabilizes you instead of stretching you . It means you mistake challenges for threats , discomfort for danger and boundaries for personal growth , when all you're really doing is buying yourself time . Mental health should be strong , adaptive and resilient , but if your mental health requires the world around you to accommodate it , then what you have isn't strength , it's dependence on the right conditions . Okay , so let me ask you when you say mental health is important , do you actually mean building capacity to handle life , or do you just mean I don't want to deal with anything hard anymore , bruh ?
Mental Health: Protection vs Capacity
Speaker 2that . That in part about I don't want to deal with anything hard anymore , man , it's so like bruh . Okay , hold on , let me . So this was raquel the capacity expert . Right , she's on . She has a bunch of videos like this , you know , and she and she talks about like therapy and counseling from like a honest perspective . You know , I don't know her perspective her perspective .
Speaker 2You know , I don't know her credentials , I don't know if she's an LPC , if she's licensed , you know , but I do feel like a lot of our clients and our students are getting mental health advice and mental health kind of perspectives from social media . Oh , for sure you know what I mean . For sure I think sometimes students' whole education of what we do in the field is solely sometimes based on what they've been able to learn from social media especially if their faculty isn't , you know , the best are .
Speaker 2They're not the best teachers , or they don't know I'm talking , I'm talking new students . I'm talking students who come into the program . I think that's what I mean . Have this idea of this is what therapy looks like you know ?
Speaker 2oh , I see and it's based off of what they see on social media . And then they come into the field and , you know , in some of their first classes , you kind of have to kind of help them separate this idea of , oh , I'm giving advice , or I'm here to help , you know , I'm in whatever way that looks , or you know , yeah , uh , yeah , you kind of to , I just want to listen , I just want to be a sounding board . You know , you have to kind of help them understand that , like that's what we do here .
Speaker 1Yeah man , what we ?
Speaker 2do here . So anyway . So what'd you think of the video , bro man ? That video , to be completely transparent , aligns very heavily with the way that not only I was raised as a clinician but just like you know years and years and years and years and years in the field . That's kind of how I view a lot of things , you know . So I would say that I'm in alignment with you know what she was saying .
Speaker 2You know in the video , particularly you know this idea that you know fragility versus resiliency . You know in the video , but particularly the , you know this idea that , um , you know fragility versus resiliency . You know , um , and how , like some people see , you know , uh , some people come to their you know clinician or even students will say , well , if you don't like what's going on , cut him off , you know . Or like , protect your mental health . You know like as if mental health is something that's fragile , needs to be kind of protected . You know , and by all means , if you know , there's times in relationships where you need bounties and you for sure need to just cut people off , you know . But I think , I think sometimes clients will come in or even students will be helping the client , and you know they , you know they say the phrase you need to protect your mental health .
Speaker 2You know anything , anything that could potentially hurt you , you know , yeah , man , yeah , I mean , I think it brings up a . It brings up like an interesting conversation , man , you know , and I don't want to spend too much time on it because we're running out of time , but I will say that , like some of the some of the discussions in the chat , you know , in the comments , okay , we're basically like this this push and pull , are this , like you know , comparison between , like , having healthy boundaries and being able to push through discomfort ? Yeah , you know , like you know , because I think , at the heart of it , that's what she's talking about to me , you know , it's like when should I ?
Speaker 2So , for example , I'll get students in the program that want to quit all the time . Right , that's how your program is . That's what they , that's what your program does to people . You know it's , it's true's true , you know , and it's not because we're we're like put like , we are so critical that it makes them feel like like no , a lot of the students come and they say I can't do this growth right now , like I can't grow in this way , like this is too challenging it hard . You know , because we did this study , you know that said , our students grow about seven years emotionally in the two years and two semesters they're here .
Speaker 1How , did y'all even study ?
Speaker 2that we can talk about that later on . But that is yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . You know about seven years emotionally , right From the start of the program to the time they graduate , right , the doc , like that's only three human years , you know . And so their family is growing at the normal rate . People grow , you know . If you're 24 years old , hopefully you're 24 emotionally , you know , or maybe even a little older , you know . So they'll come in and they're growing way past their partners or their family , you know . And they come in and they're like I can't do this , you know , and they think they need to set a boundary with , like , the program you know what I mean Like I'm going to cut this off , I'm going to stop doing this so that way I can , you know , like make my family work .
Speaker 2Mm-hmm you know , as opposed to and I'm not saying people should do this , I'm saying what the video talks about . It's a dynamic of , instead , use your mental health . Yeah , you know , use your mental health to help you push through the discomfort you know and the . And to use your mental health would be to go to your partner or to go to and have those tough conversations and have a tough conversation . And when we say , like , use your mental health , they're not talking about coping skills . We're talking about when you're in the quote unquote therapeutic gym of your sessions and you're diving through some of this stuff and you're peeling back layers and and tripping over your logical beliefs and smoothing those out and disputing them . And you have these and now you're a lot healthier . You're not so , so emotionally reactive . Yeah , you know , you can use that , that , that growth , you can use that awareness and insight to now have a tougher conversation with somebody that you know . So then the reason why you want to set a boundary is no longer a reason . You know what I mean . Do you get what I'm saying ? Oh , yeah , 100% .
Speaker 2What was the name of that ? Uh , of the video , of the person who made the video that we just watched ? Uh , raquel the capacity expert . The capacity expert , yeah .
Speaker 1I mean .
Speaker 2I watched some of her videos too , man , and I was like there's rarely a video that I've seen of hers and I'm not like oh yeah , I disagree .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .
Speaker 2I feel like she always has a good perspective man .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , but look at the comments , because there are always these conversations about , like you know , a good perspective . Yeah , yeah , but but it ?
Speaker 1and look at the comments , because they're always like these conversations about like oh so I should , I should just not have boundaries , then yeah , you know where it's like that's not .
Speaker 2That's not .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's not what I'm saying .
Speaker 2Of course you should have boundaries , yeah , but , but you can't live a life full of boundaries . Yeah , I , yeah , I mean , what would that even look like ? It would look like . It would look like loneliness . That's what it would look like . It would look like loneliness , you know . And maybe you should stay in your safe place of loneliness , you know , and avoid hard conversations , avoid . You know potential , you know pain , you know . Maybe just sit right here and to be honest , because maybe some of the therapists are like , because I don't , have to , they're there too .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't have to One're there too . Yeah , like I don't , I don't have to . One , that's where I'm at . And then two , I don't have to do anything difficult in this session , I don't have to . I don't have to walk you through , pushing through or be present with you as you push through this discomfort . What we can do is just set a boundary , set a boundary , set a boundary and then we're done . You're uncomfortable , you don't have to do it , you don't have to be uncomfortable . Set a boundary and then that's your comfort level .
Speaker 2Now , but , anyway , check some of her stuff out . And also , if you disagree with whatever we said , or if you agree , or if you just got some stuff you want to share , uh , just reach out to us . Reach out to us at the twin therapist at gmailcom . Uh , you can , you know , shoot us an email . Uh , let us know how much we suck or how much you appreciate what we said , or maybe even to recommend some people that we should check out . You know , for the next , you know for the next , for the next time we do a podcast like this , uh , maybe like in 2026 or something , um , the next episode that's gonna come , yeah , um , yeah , and we'll , we'll check them out .
Speaker 2Now , listen , if you set us a link to your own profile and you're talking about some random stuff , uh , come on , man , come on , come on , come on . But uh , yeah , bro , yeah , this is , yeah , this is good bro . We should , we should , do this more often , do you ? You know ? Yeah , maybe we'll see , we'll think about it all . Right , well , I gotta , I gotta , I gotta watch . Uh , what am I ? Uh , I'm on a dissertation committee and I have a dissertation defense in five minutes , cool man , all right , well , all right .
Speaker 2Well , good luck with that man . You probably steered him wrong , but that's okay . I mean , at this point , she's defending her dissertation in five minutes and she's probably throwing up right now , but we would not let you defend your dissertation if you weren't ready . Come on , man , all right . Well , listen , let's look , man . Stay tuned , you know , we'll see y'all next week . Hey , we got some good stuff coming out , some good stuff .
Speaker 1Some good stuff coming out .
Speaker 2Can't wait to let you guys know what we're trying to build here , if we can ever find the tools and the nails and the trying to build here , if we can ever find the tools , yeah , man , and the nails , yeah , and the sauce , sauce , sauce To build what we got to build . All right , all right , all right , y'all have a good rest of your day . All right , bro . So I want to let you know I appreciate that . Yep , bye-bye .
