The Twin Therapists Podcast
Drs. Jude and Julius Austin, identical twin brothers, lift the curtain on the "doing" of psychotherapy. With unwavering honesty, raw vulnerability, and unwavering compassion for the complexities of the human condition, they illuminate the path for both fledgling clinicians and seasoned professionals alike. The Twin Therapists podcast is your gateway to a world where healing meets humanity, leaving no stone unturned in the relentless pursuit of understanding the depths of the human soul.
The Twin Therapists Podcast
The Art of Outgrowing Your Therapist
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The twin therapists explore the concept of outgrowing your therapist and when it's appropriate to end a therapeutic relationship despite feelings of loyalty.
• Distinguishing between dependency and loyalty in the therapeutic relationship
• Recognizing when clients have achieved their therapeutic goals and are ready to move on
• The responsibility therapists have to acknowledge when they can no longer facilitate further growth
• Drawing parallels between the loyalty to barbers and loyalty to therapists
• The importance of "warm handoffs" when transitioning clients to new therapists
• How difficult it can be for therapists to initiate the end of a therapeutic relationship
• Why successful therapy ultimately leads to the client no longer needing the therapist
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Welcome Back and Office Updates
Speaker 1Hi man , welcome back y'all , welcome back to the cast . Since the last time you heard us , I have since moved offices . I'm in a little closet , which I prefer , which you deserve . I mean , I'm in the cupboard under the stairs . Man , it's funny how the more kids you have , the less space you have .
Speaker 1Bruh man , when we first bought this house , I was working at an online university which shall not be named , and , yeah , I'm joking . Nah , man , I'm joking . They're good people . I'm joking . Yeah , they , they . Come on , man , don't . Hey , come on , man , don't do that , don't do that . Jt , my bad , it came out of me . My bad man , no , man . But yeah , you know , I was like , oh yeah , I'm going to get this . You know this big office space in my house , you know ? So I dedicated a whole room which all I really needed was like a little small area for my computer and my microphone . You know , a little small area for my computer and my microphone , you know ? Um , so , yeah , man , I moved to to UL , uh , to to UL Lafayette , and uh , I didn't need that big , I didn't I'm joking Except for Ms Anita . Yeah , everybody but Ms Anita . But I didn't need that . No , need it Seriously , I was . I didn't need , we didn't need that big office space , so we converted . We converted my office .
Speaker 1Congratulations , man , congratulations bro . Yeah , man , so if you're here or anything , it's probably like the air conditioner unit that's like right behind the wall and you know , maybe some mice or some roaches , some cucarachas or something . I know y'all got roaches in all those trees over there , bro , we got the prehistoric , we got like , bro , we see one Things be standing up on two legs , bro , the prehistoric roaches . We see them like maybe once a week or like twice a month in the house , but when you see it , it you know it's terrifying . Yeah , maybe watch the tv with you . Yeah , bro , I , I hate it . Yeah , you , just , you hear , you hear them go like , yeah , did it land ? Yeah , yeah , it's bad man , it's Anyway , man . So , welcome back y'all .
Speaker 1We're pretty consistent . We're going to have one cast coming out . I would say every Monday , every Monday-ish , I'm going to try to have a cast come out . So thanks for sticking with us . Anyway , what's going on with you ? Jude ? Do like a little shirt checking . Hey , this is going to be a mini episode , because I came from the barbershop late and Jude has a student coming in on Labor Day . Just weird .
Speaker 1I don't know about y'all , but we love our students and so we show up Wow , you know for them , wow , in their times of need , wow , Mm-hmm . Yeah , man , I'm doing good , man , I'm doing good . Nothing really to update . But , as the third , this is our fourth week of class and so you know how it is . But that third week gets real , gets real .
Speaker 1The little things that they thought was cute . You know about each other . Now it's frustrating , you know , and it's just fun , man , because you know we have I teach theories . And it's just fun , man , because you know we have I teach theories . And so each week in theories we cover a different theory , obviously , but it's always like an exercise in like depth and like reflection , you know , because you know how they do kind of their own work . Yeah , it's just fun to watch how , you know , students are getting different awarenesses of each other because of the quote , unquote work they're doing in class , you know . And so , yeah , some bombshells are coming out , man , and it's fun , it's fun to be a part of . It's always important how .
Speaker 1It was always interesting how how these students come into the program and they think it's very similar to undergrad , where I'm just going to sit here , I'm going to download this information . Some students are like that , you know , and then I'm going to stay silent in the back and then go home , yeah . But then you know , you have other students who interact with the material , yeah , you know , and they're like , oh , this is like , this is what my first marriage didn't work out . Yeah , oh , this is how I am in relationships , this is how I solve my own problems . Cool , man , all right . Yeah , man , it's fun .
Speaker 1The kids are doing good . No real updates there , I mean just having fun . First grade started I think I shared stories about that and then Val starts pre-k . Um , this week . Actually , man , man , you know , tomorrow's his first day , and so is he going to the same school . That that you know . Are they in the same school or no ? No , no , no , no , okay , okay , okay , okay , no , no , I mean different , different , uh , different side of the neighborhood . But , uh , so now you got , not now your .
Speaker 1Your morning drop-off is 10 minutes instead of just the five minutes . You tell it , man , it gets in the way of my morning run . Yeah , yeah , the morning run . When you say run , you mean run to the taquito shop , right , taquitos . Yeah , to the— .
Speaker 1I'm trying to train for a half marathon . Yeah , a what ?
Training for a Half Marathon
Speaker 1A half marathon ? Excuse me , it's like a whole marathon , but like half of it . No , I think you lost me at the word marathon . What's that ?
Speaker 1Again , I'm telling you , man , people run , you pay , you sign up for it , you run , you get a t-shirt and then at the end of it , you sometimes get drinks or you get soup . Let me hold on , just . And then there's snacks along the way . No , wait , wait , wait , hold on , hold on . You pay to run . Yeah , mm-hmm , okay , yeah , is this like a midlife crisis thing ? You , you , you going through ? No , I mean , it is a crisis , but not midlife , it's a call for help .
Speaker 1You know what I'm gonna do on the weekend ? I'm going to pay somebody to run on a public street . No , but this one is in a . Uh , no , no , this is a public street . Yeah , no , but this one is in a . No , no , this is a public street . I got another one I'm doing in October . That's in a zoo , but the one I'm training .
Speaker 1Did Lindsay set that one up for you ? She did , yeah , yeah , okay , I don't think you're coming out of the zoo , big dog , why is nobody else here ? Nobody else here . Why are they closing the gate ? You hear this big clink sound . Why are they closing the gate ? Who are you ? What do you mean ? You're my handler . Get your hands off of me . Yeah , trank him . He's just here . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , um night , nighttime , you know runs .
Speaker 1Why do we do that , man ? Why do we ? Why do we ? The constant need for competition , man ? The constant need to push yourself to where you throw up just to see what your body can do , damn man . The constant need for failure , the constant need for growth Damn , that's what you do it for . Yeah , the constant reflection , you know , just in a pain , cave by yourself wondering will I make it back to my car ? No see , I do it .
Speaker 1Just , you know , to keep . Daddy likes to keep it tight , you know , and I just want my wife to you know , to recognize that she's with a baddie , a baddie , a baddie . Yeah for sure . I need her to know this and not forget it , you know , yeah , she forgot . I need her to know this and not forget it . You know , yeah , she forgot . No , no , no , I remind her . I remind her . No , I remind her . No , no , I think what spit up on my chest from one of our kids not taking a shower ? It's done , it's done , it is over with . I'm still a baddie . No , jesus , it's done , it is over with . I'm still a baddie .
Speaker 1No , I think when I come in the house with smelling like a waffle house , like a waffle house , when you come in the house smelling like Bengay , nah , you smell like Icy Hot . I can smell the Epsom salt from here . You ever spent like a weekend just grilling stuff outside . And you come in the house and you're like , what does that smell ? And they're like oh , that's me , that's like Waffle House and sweat .
Speaker 1Right now you're the type of age where you put Vicks on your feet and put socks over it before you go to sleep Just to ward off a cold . Does nobody else do that ? No , no , no , yeah , it's done . I know people are going to . I know , no , I'm the type of age where I have contraptions all over the place dog , dog . That's why I stopped doing CrossFit Contraptions , me too , man . That's why I stopped doing CrossFit .
Speaker 1I got like a golf ball , just so I can get the plantar fasciitis out of my body . I have a little like one of those little ring things that like stretches your back out . You know , yeah , man , I got a little . I got like a half it's kind of like an iPad , but like a half iPad just so I can get the arch in my back , so my lower back can feel less tense . Yeah , I stopped myself when I was thinking about getting one of those flipped upside down tables
New Student Dynamics in Class
Speaker 1. I got one . Yeah , I got one . It's in the attic right now . What am I doing ? It's in the attic right now . What am I doing ?
Speaker 1It wasn't built for people like me . That was built for somebody who was like 175 . I need a do something to do something type of table . Do something to do something . I need a table . That man said do something to do something . I need a table . He said that makes me feel like a natural woman . That's what I need . I want to be hugged . I don't want to be on the table sitting there like you weren't built for this .
Speaker 1All the other tables come with velcro . It's only when they come with screws . Mine has to be bolted into a stud . Yeah , I can't . Come on , man , these Like a Formula One racetrack when they put you in that flip upside down table . Right , yeah , my table came with a crew . Somebody get daddy off this table . Somebody get daddy off this table . Somebody get daddy off this table . Yeah , man , that's how they age dog . Anyway , anyway , anyway , all right , but we got it . We get a couple minutes , man .
Speaker 1I just wanted to check in with you , jt , you know , I know you was down bad over there . Y'all got a new cohort of students who's you know from what I hear from the grapevine , it's just , you know , not suitable . You know , it's just not . I don't know who you're talking to . That's what I heard . That's what I heard . I heard they kept you in class for two hours just asking questions . You know what ? You know what ? You know what man ?
Speaker 1I do notice that , like the students , it's a different breed . Man , it's a different breed . You know me and you like , when we were in graduate school , it was like boy , you couldn't A . As soon as there was a hint of all you hear was zip , zip out of there . Yeah , and it's kind of nice the students are .
Speaker 1You know , I'm finding that a lot more students stay after class to ask questions . You know , they're like I didn't want to ask in front of everybody because you know , blah , blah , blah . Well , the classes are just becoming more socially constructed , like . They're becoming more like okay , we've read , we watched the video , we saw this thing , we watched the reel and it was all like we're covering existentialism this week . They're going to come in with so much questions and like I have a lecture prepared , but hey , man , we can answer questions and I don't have to lecture . Great , yeah , you know what . That's .
Speaker 1The best types of classes ? The best types of classes are when students come in with questions and I just get to . Like , I just get to , I just get to curate the student's education based off of what they're actually interested in , as opposed to me saying like , okay , this is kind of what the chapter talked about , this is what real life cases look like . You know , this is what you may see out in the field . Anybody got any questions and I'm like nah , nah , I don't like , are you sure ? Yeah , that's when you want to , that's when you want to , that's when you want to fail them all . Yeah , no questions , all right , well , well , well , good luck , good luck .
Speaker 1Yeah , you're looking at that from . Where's that from ? Is that from starfox , right ? You're looking at Where's that from ? Where's that from ? Is that from Star Fox , right ? You're looking at 20-something thousand clinical hours of experience . All right , all right here .
Speaker 1Okay , y'all don't have a single question to ask me . All right , I mean , you're acting like you're the founder . It's not me . You're acting like you're from the garden hey man , it's not me , it's not my fault Like you're the tree of knowledge , it's not my fault that you graduated from my doc program and went right into teaching . You hadn't done the art of therapy in how long I was in the trenches .
Speaker 1I wouldn't call it art . I wouldn't call it art . If it was art , it was abstract art . For years it was abstract because For years it was abstract . Because , for years , hey man , I just became a teacher .
Speaker 1Okay , you've been at this for a while . You ain't saw a narrow . When was the last time you saw something that surprised you , dude , surprise me . Right now , right now . When was the last time you were befuddled ? Right there , Right , this second , you talking about you doing art . I am befuddled .
Speaker 1Anyway , man , all right , but we got , we got stuff to talk about , bro .
Speaker 1All right , man , we got the listener . I don't want to hear you yapping , okay , so . So , we already talked to you , we already checked in . You know , and as I'm talking , I'm forgetting the agenda , and every single time I let you take control . Hey man , we're going to see y'all next week . We're going to see y'all next week . I'm so sorry .
Speaker 1Every single time , oh man , you see what I got to do . Every time I say , okay , you got it , big dog , come in . And I'm like what it's on the agenda ? Because I don't write anything down . Yeah , look , he mad . Y'all , look , he mad , look , look , look , look . Oh , widow Judy is upset . Oh , dog , bro , I don't think you can link Him . So upset , oh , look at him , him mad , so upset . Oh , look at him , him , him mad .
Speaker 1That man , that man will go in front of a thousand people talking about what we're talking about . Like , what do you mean what we're talking about ? Did you not print the itinerary ? I didn't , dog , I didn't God . You said you had a question man . Yeah , didn't God , dog , you said you had a question , man , yeah , yeah , so we got . Well , you know what ?
Speaker 1There is this listener question that I think may take up some time , you know . So let me pull up that listener question because we got a
Listener Question: Outgrowing Your Therapist
Speaker 1lot of questions , man , so I'm kind of like in a backlog , you know . So I'm trying to y'all , if y'all send a question in , I'm going to try to get to it so I can bring it to the cast . We're trying to like segment this cast up because I'm finding that we have like listener questions . There's some stuff that students bring up throughout the week . There's some checking stuff , so you know , but anyway , all the week there's some checking stuff .
Speaker 1So you know , um , but anyway , all right , so you , if you , if you got a question for us , you reach out to us at the twin therapist , um , at gmailcom , and just shoot us an email . You can put your name , you can put your , you know where you're from and you can just make it completely , you know , like random . But uh , and let me , yeah , let me , anonymous . Yeah , let me know if you want me to read your name out on air . Okay , because I don't want to put anybody on blast . But , uh , this is from danny . Uh , danny , with an eye , just one of those out there .
Speaker 1So he goes , can you outgrow your therapist like oh yeah , so he . So let me just read it . Can you outgrow your therapist like is there a point where the fit just ain't fitting anymore but you stay out of loyalty , all right ? That's why I wanted to finish the whole question , because , man , sometimes and you know therapists be sitting there like , you know , no , no , everything's going fine with the new house . Yeah , there's a little slow up , but this is a cash flow problem anyway . So how was your week ? Yeah , you know , it finds me like , yeah , I've been uh , struggling . How how long do you think it's going to take for this house ? Yeah , like , oh well , the contractor said that it probably shouldn't take that long . But you know , the real problem is the money that we thought we were going to get , just didn't come , didn't come , and yeah , and the client's like , oh yeah , where you getting , like , the loan from ? Oh well , I got a cousin who works for , you know , first national and you know there's a , and like 30 minutes go by , yeah , you know well , and the clients feels obligated to stay because they know you got a life and yeah , well , anyway , anyway , all right , so all right .
Speaker 1So let's tackle the first , first bit of the question can you outgrow your therapist ? Can you outgrow your therapist ? What you think outgrow your therapist , what do you think ? Let's just want a yes or no . Okay , we don't want any philosophical ramblings , Just give us a clear yes or no . Yeah , okay . Next part of the question Now have you ever had a client outgrow you ?
Speaker 1No , I mean definitely I have one that's outgrowing me right now . No , not lately , but definitely when I was in like practicum internship , like you know where I just haven't lived enough life , you know like I have the skills and the knowledge and I can reflect and I could do the job . You know what I mean . But like , if somebody comes in and they were saying things like they lost a kid or they like had like a domestic violence thing or just something that was just so far out of my lived experience I'm not saying that you got to have the same experience , but I had no cousins close experiences , man to where it's like , you know , and so I just couldn't get myself around the depth empathy you know what I mean and so they needed somebody with a little bit more . You know what I mean and that you know , and so they needed somebody with a little bit more . You know , to like make the reflection , but then say like , oh , and you probably also felt , and if I were you I would have felt , you know , just that like added thing . You know I'm , I'm sitting there like oh , and that sounds hard and that sounds isolating . You know what I mean . But the clients need it . But they didn't .
Speaker 1You know I was a student , they wanted to help me out . Yeah , I mean , I have a client who is a who I'm doing like kind of like long-term , long-term therapy . Yeah , and man , seriously , some clients , you know they go , they see me at this part in their life and then , you know , we go through that part of their life together and then something else comes up and it's like natural for their journey , but they still want to maintain contact throughout that part of their life . You know client who is coming out the end of like a series of journeys that we talked about in therapy , of like , okay , you're gonna , you're gonna go through this and then you're gonna go through this and then you can potentially go through this , you know , and we're out to , we're out of that end of the journey and it's almost like there's nothing . You know there's nothing else like congratulations . You know , it's like you're gonna go do undergrad , then you're gonna go do your master , do your master's , then you're going to do your doctorate , then you're going to start your practice , you know , and then your practice is going to stabilize and then you're going to have some income , and then what you know , and I feel like that's kind of where we're at . Like we're at that place where the client's like actually I'm good and I know that , and they know that , and I'm not sure there's a real reason for us to maintain a relationship .
Speaker 1So what do you mean ? Do you mean like you and the client have reached like the same stage of life no , not the same stage of life . Just like the client came to me and the client's like hey , I have seven steps , I have seven goals that I want to reach , and they reached them all . And they reached all these goals . You know , see , I wouldn't say that that's outgrowing . Well , I mean , I don't . I guess you'd have to define what outgrowing means . I mean , just like you know , like outgrowing , because you know there's , like these points of growth , yeah , you know and like okay , you've grown . Okay , now you've grown , you've grown enough to achieve this goal . To achieve this goal , you know . And then there's a point to where it's like all right , you know , I think you can handle . You know , the next step in life , whatever that is without our relationship , that's the . That's the goal for me . It is the goal , right , that's the goal for me .
Speaker 1Like , I think , I think about growing . Like you know , like the client is coming to awarenesses that I couldn't , that , that I , I don't have the capacity to bring them to myself . Yeah
Barber Loyalty and Therapist Parallels
Speaker 1, do you know what I mean ? Yeah , like they may be , you know , it's just like any stage of growth , you know what I mean . It's like if a six-year-old was trying to do therapy . Yeah , you know , it's like they just couldn't possibly understand what we're going through right now . They can be empathetic and kind and listen to you and stuff and do all of the things , but they couldn't say , hey , have you thought about this ? Or hey , I noticed when you did that you can get by with the skills , but it's just like moving that extra depth level of awareness .
Speaker 1And it's funny because , clients , we get our students in the COC dog and some of our students are young , some of our students are like 22 , 21 or 24 , you know , and but they're working with these older clients who don't have the same level of awareness that the student has , and so you can see how the student who's younger but still has something to offer . You know , insight wise , where , like , I feel like sometimes , especially when I was just starting , you know wise , where , like I , I feel like sometimes , especially when I was just starting , you know , I , you know , we get to a place , to where the person is like kind of out outgrowing me , you know , and they'll start saying stuff like and you know , what else I've thought about is this . And then in my mind I'm like dang , I didn't even think about that . Yeah , well , you're kind of sitting back like yeah , no , yeah , that's a good point , yeah , yeah , you know , I have nothing else to offer to that . Or I start saying like I think you're done with therapy , and the client is like , hey , we still , I still don't know what the meaning of maybe there's , maybe there's two versions of it , because , like this , the one client that I was talking about was like yeah , I guess I'll see you , you know , I guess , you know , I'll see you next week , you know , and my initial thought was like , why ? Yeah , like what would it be . You know what are you going to talk about . You know , and when I brought that up to her , you know she was essentially like , well , it's just because , like I , I find this helpful . Yeah , it's like , do you find it helpful ?
Speaker 1Or like , is there some like law , is there some loyalty or some like attachment to this relationship that you find necessary , but not necessarily the therapy , okay , but like , I think there is a difference between dependence and loyalty . Oh for sure , you know there's a difference between , like , attachment and loyalty . Uh-huh , you know where it really is . Like , okay , this person is loyal to you and that's a fine , that's a fine line , though , honestly it's , it's like , it's kind of like uh , uh , like a barber or tailor , yeah , but in in in a way , in a way that you ever been , my relationship to my barber and my relationship to my tailor are different Totally , but it's the same level of loyalty .
Speaker 1You know , like , how did you get , doug , this ? I got my barber . I went to the barbershop , scheduled an appointment with somebody you know , walked in , did the thing and as he was cutting my hair , I saw who my , I saw my current barber cut somebody else's hair and I was like dang , yeah , you know . And then , like I'm up here with rooster over here getting chopped up , you know , getting mutilated , mutilated , you know , and just wondering , like you know , now , like the grass , the grass is greener over there , barber , yeah , yeah , yeah , I could , it would , it would . It's so disrespectful on a level that is culturally just , it would . It would . It would shatter the framework of how the barbershop works . Yeah , you know , I do .
Speaker 1But I do think , you and I maybe there's a parallel between barbers and clinicians where , you know , we went to a barber from early childhood to graduation from high school , from high school , right , some a little bit in college , when we were , like , you know , when we were kids , when we were like three , four , five , six , the barber was good , because the barber was probably like , you know , 28 , 29 , 30 , 32 , you know . But then when we became 16 , that barber was like 50 , you know , and there's like a 28-year-old who's doing some nice , you know , some nice line work , like you know , and so at 16 , it's like man , this , this 50 year old barber , is still barber . This is my dad's , my dad's barber , you know , yeah , you know , and he has to know it , and everybody knows that now . Now , you go , but I feel like Trey , I feel like I feel like it's the barber's job to be like , hey , man , let me put you on , yeah , let me put you on tray .
Speaker 1And real , real , real story . I mean , that's what happened , yeah , you know , with Hollywood . Yeah , with our barber , with our barber , hollywood , who was like , hey , I want to work with y'all , but I don't have the time anymore . Yeah , I'm cutting back . Why don't y'all go to Jesse Yep , and Jesse's the chair right next to him . We've been trying to get into Jesse's chair and Jesse's a young gun , young gun , young gun . Like new clippers , everything , jesse , the minute jesse clicked on them clippers , yeah , I was like you felt the efficiency . Yeah , because hollywood have you in there , have you in there for a fortnight , but , but , you know , but , but anyway , but if the onus is on him and he was , he was respectful of enough . Yeah , he was , he was respectful of the loyalty .
Speaker 1You guys are about to start asking girls to homecoming and prom . I can't , yeah , you guys can't still keep getting the haircuts that your dad got . Your dad got , and he was mature enough . I feel like some therapists mature enough . See , now listen . I feel like some therapists . Listen now Cairo , cairo and Cove has , you know , they've been going to the same barber since they were two years old , you know .
Speaker 1But there's Cairo's getting to the age right now where he's starting to get some lines and some designs and he wants to , like you know , push the envelope . You know from his private school , you know . And so his barber's like , yeah , I can't do that , I'm not that barber , you know . But the barber says , like I can cut your hair , but if you want those lines , I'm going to need to bring in a consultant , you know . And there's a young kid in the barbershop who walks over and like , helps him with the line work , probably does the chalk and the spray , all the stuff . Man , the ring light comes on , the phone starts , you mind if I record , yeah , all that stuff .
Speaker 1But it's very similar and I know we've got to wrap up , but it's very similar to a clinician where there's a dependence on or a loyalty to Loyalty . And I think as a clinician you kind of have to tease out is the client dependent or is the client just loyal to the relationship ? Because dependency you can't be like , hey , I think it's time for a stop , because then it'll be like an uproar , but loyalty . You could say like , hey , man , I don't think you necessarily need this , and the client can understand . Or you can say , hey , I , I can understand . Or you can say or you can say , hey , I met this therapist , a friend of mine , who I think could take you to a place I don't think I can take you . Yeah , would you do me a favor Because I'm running out of time or my schedule is getting tight , or I'm going to take , or just because I think you know , because I think it's a better fit , could you go try them out for two , three weeks ? Yeah , yeah , yeah . And you do the warm handoff and you get out graciously . Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Graceful Therapeutic Transitions
Speaker 1And before you embarrass yourself , you don't have to do this . No show , no call rigmarole . You don't have to like , you know what I mean . The client doesn't have to see a therapist on the side , like , have a side therapist , you know ? And then , all of a sudden , I'm just doing EMDR , we're just doing EMDR . I promise it was just a one-time thing . You know they're meaningless . I don't love that therapist , I don't love them , I love you . No , we're just doing trauma-informed therapy . No , we're just doing sand tray . I'm only seeing them for this thing , that's it , you know . No , no , no , I like the vibrating cans in my hand . I'm sorry , yeah , yeah , yeah , no , we don't need to do none of that , bro . We don't need to do none of that , bro . We don't need to do none of that .
Speaker 1Anyway , it's up to you , the therapist , to go . Hey , hey , man , hey , you know it's hard . Nobody talks about how hard that is . It's hard , it's hard , man , it's hard , bro , it's hard . You don't want to be talked to from the client , you want to from the client . Yeah , you want to do the talking , you don't want to be talked to . Yeah , the best situations are when a client comes up to you and they're like hey , I think you know , like I'm getting married , like I really would like you know a female clinician's voice , because I'm at an age where I need to make that . I was thinking the same thing . I absolutely agree . What you don't want to happen is I was thinking about making a transition and you're like what ?
Speaker 1Why ? I thought everything was cool . I just got a new dry erase marker . I just got new seat cushions for you , though I thought I just got a new Finswell pillow . No , you don't want that . You don't want that , bro , you don't want that .
Speaker 1Anyway , anyway , All right , man , all right , we got to go , we got to go , we're going to come back , man , hey , bro , we're gonna uh , if , if , if you're listening to this , then you probably already heard our , uh , our , live from the golden nugget , uh , casino episode . So you posted that . I didn't know . You posted yeah , yeah , yeah , I posted it , yeah . So , uh , yeah , man , listen . If you gotta listen to questions , reach out to the twin therapist at gmailcom . Uh , we got a couple questions that we got to go over . So , all right , y'all , we'll wait , wait . Did you tell them about the ending ? Oh , yeah , man , yeah , so if you've been listening to the cast , you stay till the end of the song and you'll hear a little message from our grandpa . It was the last voicemail that he left me before he passed away a couple years ago . I just happened to find it on my phone . It's just him signing out , signing us out . I'm saying alright , bye , alright , man , we'll see y'all later , later y'all . So I want to let you know . I appreciate that . Yep , bye , bye .
