Be Slow, Be Lazy, Be Dumb: Essential Advice for New Therapists

We explore childhood memories of our elementary school club "The Midnight Players" and share essential advice for new therapists struggling with performance anxiety in clinical sessions.

• Our childhood club "Midnight Players" had airbrushed sweaters, monthly dues, and official roles including a "Sergeant-at-Arms"
• Childhood clubs reveal our deep desire for belonging and community-building from an early age
• Creating a supportive environment at sports tournaments shows how community forms around shared experiences
• Three essential principles for new therapists: Be Slow, Be Lazy, Be Dumb
• Being slow means creating spaciousness in therapy and resisting the urge to rush through client stories
• Being lazy means trusting the therapeutic process rather than forcing predetermined interventions
• Being "dumb" in session (while smart outside session) means approaching clients with genuine curiosity instead of presumed understanding
• New therapists often try too hard to analyze clients rather than being present in the relationship
• The golf lesson analogy: sometimes simpler approaches yield better results than technical overanalysis

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Transcript

Welcome Back to the Cast

Speaker 1 0:16

Hey man , welcome back , welcome back to the cast . We are continuing the streak of consistency . It feels like it's been appreciated . Yeah , I mean , uh , listenership has gone up . Listenership , yes , and the word the people who listen to the cast , you know , like , like a relationship , but like a listenership , yeah , the , yes , the listener ship . Yes , I'm sure there's a better word . Uh , I don't know the . You know the . Your fan club , um , I don't know . Apparently you got students showing up to your classroom with uh , t-shirts that say the airbrush t-shirts from the 90s that say you know , dr Austin's biggest fan . That's what I hear ,

Midnight Players: Elementary School Club

Speaker 1 1:07

you know . So , jeez , man , jeez , can I help it that my students love me ?

Speaker 1 1:13

Hmm , is it , is it ? Is it a crime ? Is it a crime to have an impact on people's lives ? Is it is it ? Is it now uncouth , you know , to inspire people , and so what if they wear , you know , whatever they need to wear to show that ? You know , to me that's fine . I receive that , you know , and it's part of my openness , jews , that allows this relationship to blossom . Some would say , some would say bloom , you know , and so I'm cutting all this out . I'm cutting . No , they , they do airbrush Jews , and it's not only the T-shirts that they airbrush , it's the hearts , yeah , so are you airbrushing hearts out there ?

Speaker 1 2:06

Yeah , what mall they go to to get the airbrush ? You know , right next to Aladdin's castle . Next to Aladdin's castle , if you know . You know , in the Nugget mall , aladdin's castle , the airbrush . You walk right into Nugget mall . Right , nugget Mall , latin's classic , the airbrush . You walk right into Nugget Mall , uh-huh , from the front , turn to the right , go around the corner , right next to the Centennial Wireless Store , airbrush , right , man , me and Judas used to be , but we probably opened up a little hole in the ozone layer behind all the stuff we were getting airbrushed , yeah , everything , yeah , up a little hole in the ozone layer behind all the stuff we were getting airbrushed Everything . Sweaters , t-shirts , shoes , license plates , soccer bags . Man , what you want on it , what you want on it , can you put midnight players on it In silver ? No , no , no . And then make like a car and then put some like paint splatters on it , like , can you do ? Like , can you do the ? The black power rangers helmet on it ? Can you put the ? Uh , can you ? No , you know what I want the green rangers sword . I want that on the side . But , uh .

Speaker 1 3:22

But we probably walked in the school and those teachers was like I know you lying to me , if y'all fucking , if you fucking with another airbrush , this is the most embarrassing thing . This is the most , this is the most embarrassing thing . Dog , you remember in elementary school where it was me , you and a couple of our knucklehead friends , yeah , that that had that idea that , hey , we need to , we need to , we need to make our own club , we need to make a club . It's a boys club , like forever , yeah , like forever , forever . We're gonna be in this forever , ever so , which I think the name should be , which I think you know .

Speaker 1 4:04

We tossed around a couple of names , but the names that stuck was the Midnight Players . Midnight Players , man , man , what were we like ? Eight years old , seven , seven or eight years old , and and me , and you went , cause you know our , our parents , you know they Parents , you know they come up with real . And so we went to our parents , man to mom , and was like mom , mom , listen , for Christmas , this is Christmas . Now we're talking about , we're talking . This is Christmas . You can't , because you can't , say no , because it's real , it's Christmas . We're talking about charity . You know what I mean , now , listen , this is is gonna sound crazy at first , but we need about seven , seven , eleven sweaters , sweaters , now sweaters , high quality , high quality , not hoodies , because we got some stuff we want to put on the back .

Speaker 1 4:59

Now we're thinking , we're thinking midnight blue , midnight blue because it's school appropriate midnight because we can only wear blue , we can only wear navy blue

Airbrushed T-shirts and Childhood Memories

Speaker 1 5:12

sweaters and and , and I need you to name to airbrush midnight players . Yeah , now , midnight players . Okay , make sure you spell it all , right , not play us players , midnight players . And you could do a little razzle dazzle . You know how they used to do the little airbrush star , the little star . Yeah , do a little razzle dazzle . Hey , man , do a little razzle dazzle , make it look all nice , you know , and we're going to have names . I want you to put the names on the back of it , okay , so let me give you a list of all the Midnight Players . Okay , yeah , the list was everything , dog , the list of the Midnight Players . We didn't wait until we combed through it .

Speaker 1 5:58

Now , listen , we told our friends in September we were going to do this in December and so , look , you got from September to December to prove to us that you belong to the midnight playing material ? I don't know Midnight playing material or not , I don't know . Yeah , what's your GPA looking like ? What's your service looking like ? What's your extracurriculars looking like ? How often do you serve the community ? Yeah , what's your extracurriculars . And what church do you go to ? Matter of fact , yeah , man . Hey , bro , you know what's your mean household income ? Yeah , what is you know ? Let me get some tax returns . Can we trust you to tithe ? Can we trust you to pay your dues ? Do you have a voter registration card ? Yeah , man , and we're also going to need the transcripts from previous institutions .

Speaker 1 6:42

Was your parents Democrat or Republican ? Now , listen , like we want to know , listen , midnight players want their money . So the dues are going to be $4,000 . I know it's steep . No , no , dog , dog , I legitimately think we had them pay $10 a month . Yeah , I'm pretty sure $10 a month . Yeah , pay ten dollars a month ? Yeah , I'm pretty sure ten dollars a month , yeah , and , and legitimately , we would have them pay ten dollars a month , uh , to pay for the , to pay for the sweaters , you know , and then ten dollars a month . And then we would have , like , little parties . Man , yeah , you don't remember that . Sleep homes at the house . Don't sleep at the house we'd have pizza , like we had a secretary .

Speaker 1 7:22

We were in first second grade . We had sergeant-at-Arms remember . I remember who was Sergeant-at-Arms man Jerry Pottier . Jerry , yeah , jerry Pottier With the gold tooth . Hey bro , nah , man , first gold tooth I ever saw . I was like this dude here , yeah , like he looks like he can fight somebody . He looked like he can fight somebody . He looked like he was about business , like Sergeant at Arms dude , and it was in the front and it would glean a little bit . You remember , and it had a little design in it . Yeah , remember when Gold Teeth used to have little designs . They still do , yeah , they still do . Amen . Had a couple clients in the clinic with the gold tooth , with the little design in it , with a J , with the design in it , with a J , with a J in the goatee Men , not Players , men , not Players .

Speaker 1 8:05

Man . Catholic school yeah , bro , we had these sweaters . Remember we had to tell somebody he couldn't make it . Yeah , tell a couple people , yeah , a couple people , a couple people . Remember , remember , for January , we showed up with those sweaters . Bro , we showed up with our sweaters on . Hey , baby , if you want us on , listen . If we handed him out and we told him . We said what do we call him ? Dog ? We called him . If you didn't make it , we said you're on a trial period or you're an initiate or something . Dog , yeah , before we pat you in , man , before we pat you in , we don't know if you're going to get this cut . Hey , people think we're joking , but me and you , second grade , without any rules , no internet , no pictures of this . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 8:48

What a time to be alive , man , time to be alive . What a time to be alive . You had to bully people in person , yeah , and you had to have tough conversations . You had to go up to people and say hey , hey , hey , man , hey , it's not your year , big dog . Yeah , it's not you , it's not your year , big dog , it's not your year .

Speaker 1 9:06

But listen , because you remember we'd have a sweater without the airbrush , yeah , just a regular blue sweater . And we'd say , look , I can give you this , but you're not a part of the club , which means you can't come to the meetings . We can put midnight on it , but you got to earn that place , you got to earn the plates . And listen , listen , listen , listen . I still need , I still need the dudes . We're going to need that $10 real quick . How are we supposed to buy our Boston baked beans during recess ? How are we supposed ? But dog ? But you remember the biggest thing dog was I think it was for , like our birthday or something we bought .

Speaker 1 9:43

We rented a limo to pick us all up from school , take to the bowling alley , take us to the bowling alley . Mama coordinated with all the parents . We did that with the midnight players . Money like y'all tripping , if y'all don't , I don't know what y'all were doing in first and second grade , but we were organizing . We would do little community stuff . You know , what's funny is that sometimes I see them in my players around in the community . You remember there's one dude , andre . He works for the city , the city of Lafayette . He was cutting grass at one of the city parks when I was walking the kids in there and I was like Andre , you know , like yeah , yeah , yeah , you in the midnight plays for life , for life .

Speaker 1 10:26

But we do little cleanups , like if you have to clean the , you know , the basement upstairs and the gym , yeah , midnight plays , got it . No , no , no , we'll get the midnight plays . Plays , let's roll out Burt , burt , burt . Y'all don't understand . Y'all don't understand . Let's roll out players . Let's roll out . Our community need us . It's so embarrassing , man , y'all get them sweaters on , bro . So embarrassing , let's go we rolling out at night .

Speaker 1 10:59

Seriously , dog , we were in like second , third grade , second , third grade , first , second , first , second and third , third grade , first , second , first , first , second and third . I think . I think we stopped at like sixth Maybe . Yeah , at six . It was like , oh , for four or five years , man , we were in GPA , we would help . I love to find the midnight player sweater , like I love to find a midnight player . I just , I just can't believe , I just can't believe , I just can't believe , I just can't believe .

Speaker 1 11:29

Our parents supported this . You know what I mean , supported this . Remember 8 ? 8 . And I don't want to out nobody , but remember that one time we caught one of the midnight players smoking a cigarette . We were like in 5th grade . Oh , I know exactly who you're talking about . Yep , I know exactly who you're talking about .

Speaker 1 11:52

And we had to have a . We had to have a little meeting . Yeah , you know , yeah , and you were organizers . Poe , da was sergeant at arms , and we had to have a meeting where we this is a , a , a bruh . This is unbecoming , unbecoming of a . This is unbecoming . Yeah , I , I am not just . I'm not just disgusted , I am disappointed , I'm appalled . And your choices , and how you wouldn't even fathom that your choices wouldn't affect you didn't just smoke , you smoked and you had him smoking . A midnight player was caught smoking Bruh .

Speaker 1 12:19

Hey , man , you better tighten up , tighten up , tighten up , tighten up , that's strikeh . Hey man , you better tighten up , tighten

Tournament Preparations and Family Time

Speaker 1 12:25

up , tighten up , tighten up , that's strike one . Hey , hey , hey , hey , Take his M , take his M , take his M off the midnight , take his M , cross it out . No , bro , that's crazy , that's crazy man . Hey , take the stars off his sweater . Somebody scrape the stars . I mean , by that time you had been through so many washes . He ain't won nothing . But no hanging sweaters . Man , he ain't been washed so much .

Speaker 1 12:59

That's not this 2025 fabric . We're talking 1990s fabric , 1995 , but you remember that's when it was all champion sweaters , that's when champion was cheap . No , it was either champion or Hanes , hanes , one of them who got it from Dallas to Oregon . Yeah , but it was one of those sweaters where you can't tell what's the back or the front . Hey , man , you know you ever put those cheap sweaters on and you're like God , dog , like what's the ? You immediately rip the tag out because it's so itchy , like . I know the tag is in the back , but why ? The back ain't lower than the front ? You put the sweater on the wrong way . You're choking yourself . I got it in the wrong way . You don't even take your . You just . You don't even take your , you just . You don't even take the sweater off , you just take your arms out and you swing it around yourself . Rotate the sweater around .

Speaker 1 13:55

Hey , man , if any of the midnight players are listening to this , man , y'all reach out to us . Man , keep your head up . Let's do something in Girard Park . You know what's expected . Let's have a cookout . Yeah , we're going to get a call . We're going to get a call . Yeah , let's have a little kickback or something , bro , you know , yeah , man , anyway , anyway , anyway , all right , man , all right , all right , let's do a little check in , just a brief check in , man , because you know we both got meetings after this , so it was a little brief check in , bro .

Speaker 1 14:31

No-transcript , I don't know about you , man , but fall is turning a corner . I got some crisp mornings coming up . I don't know , but it feels like the kids are just like our kids are exhausted man , oh , really , yeah , I don't know what it is . We are too , man . I just I don't know , I can't put my finger on it . Man , maybe it's just because

Be Slow: Therapeutic Advice

Speaker 1 14:52

it's the middle of the semester , but it doesn't feel like it . It it's the middle of the semester , but it doesn't feel like it . It's just it's the beginning of the semester . The semester just started , oh no , but we got , like we got midterms . Jeez , oh , that's right , because y'all , y'all in for Thanksgiving . Yeah , yeah , we do . We don't end until , like the second week of December or something . Yeah , that's crazy . Yeah , yeah , yeah , we're in the . So it feels like we haven't covered enough . You know what I mean . But anyway , yeah , that's a quick check-in for us . Man , we're doing good .

Speaker 1 15:22

I got that keynote speech on Friday . Man , where is it ? Arkansas ? Yeah , it should be fun . Man , it should be fun . I could talk for about 45 minutes , I think . Where at ? Is it a university ? Yeah , it's Arkansas State . It's for their , their counseling program . Oh , yeah , so they do like a research symposium kind of thing .

Speaker 1 15:45

Yeah , let the people know how much they're paying . You , bro , what you getting ? What you getting broke off like that ? I actually don't know . Oh , see how he likes to keep it close to the chest . You see how he likes to keep it close . No , let the people know how much you're getting paid . We all want to know what your pockets are looking like . Let us know . Blink twice if it's over $25,000 . That's a lot of blinks . That's a lot of blinks . Hey , can I borrow $20 ? Yeah , 20 . Yeah , bro , you gotta pay me back , though . Pay you back .

Speaker 1 16:24

Yeah , now we , we've been , we've been bro , we went , we had a tournament in band , we had a soccer tournament . Yeah , we brought the whole family this time , man , uh and listen , listen , I'm not playing around man , I set up a whole compound . When it comes to , when it comes to like , tournament play I'm talking tent fan ice chest with apples , oranges , bananas , grapes . We got Gatorade water . We got like little . We got catered water . We got like little , uh , we got uh , uh , the , the little , uh , squeeze it . We got the uh , the , the push , pop , stuff , I'm . We got chairs .

Speaker 1 17:05

I mean how much , how much you charge for all of that . But it's right , you know , you know what , you know how much you charge , because I , I know , I know , I know , you know what I love , you know what . You know what dog is that , like , I don't charge nothing for it , right , what happens is all the kids start to gravitate towards our tent , you know , and so all the kids are hanging out . I bring my little iPad . The kids usually watch , like an Arsenal game or whatever team is playing at the time . Right , they get off their feet , they sit down .

Speaker 1 17:37

Man , it's like a community type of thing , you know , and so like man , one thing that I realized that , like , right , you , you remember how it was , man , you only get this opportunity to be a part of a team , you know , in like your childhood playing at tournaments , like one time . Do you want that time to be spent baking in the sun , you know , like , do you want like a miserable or just like a miserable tournament experience , you know ? Or do you want like some music playing , you know , maybe some food we had like sandwich stuff , you know , and you want fruit and ice and Florida water , and you know , whatever . You know , that's the type of experience we're trying to have , man , so that's what we do . Yeah , for people who don't know what Florida water is , it's like ammonia water , like water mixed in with that . It's like extra cold . Yeah , you can't drink it . Yeah , don't drink it , you know , but you soak towels in it and then you put it on your face and stuff I cannot tell . It's like , bro , the fountain of youth , the fountain horrible . Oh , it's probably hard . There's probably somebody listening to this podcast that's like , no , yeah , some dermatologist like oh , yeah , that explains everything . That's why the back of your neck look like hamburger . You're putting that floor to water . Yeah , that towel on the back of your neck talking about , I'm hot , I'm trying to cool off . Well , congratulations , it's probably all the , uh , the , the , the iron and paint , and then the , the , yeah , sodium all up in the , the water . Yeah , man , anyway . So , yeah , bro , that's that's , that's us , man , that's us .

Speaker 1 19:10

So all right , bro , let's get into like a little topic . Man , I , I had an idea about prac students , about practicum students , and just kind of like maybe some advice for practicum students . But you said you had something too , right , bro ? I don't know about advice , man , but I've been working on this idea with my students right Now . Listen , my students are a little bit more what's the right word ? Better clinically advanced , sound , technically savvy , smart , theoretically aware and generally emotionally mature than your students .

Speaker 1 19:52

I just don't understand why you have to take these shots . I just don't . It just seems like you have this need to prove something , and I don't know , because I don't feel the need to prove anything . You know , I think my program speaks for itself . But you know , go ahead , hold on , hold on , hold on , wait , wait , hold on Now . I don't hear nothing . I don't hear nothing from your program . That's because they're all working right now . They're all doing clinical work right now . Okay , and that's the sound of effort , because you said your program speaks for themselves . No , that's the sound of effort .

Speaker 1 20:23

It's just crazy how quiet it is , man . Yeah , and you can't , the listener can't hear it . It would be quiet Now . It would be quiet if I wasn't hearing your blood move through your veins from that globe mic . I'm back in my office using the globe mic . Well , I feel like I could tell if you got cavities in your veins , bro . Yeah , man , you can hear my thoughts . Yeah , bro , I can hear the food that you haven't eaten yet , still living on the farm . Look at that mic , bro . God dog , there's so much jokes I can make that would get you fired right now .

Be Lazy and Be Dumb in Therapy

Speaker 1 21:14

Have some self-respect , bro . Jokes I can make . That boss got the whole world in his hands right now , like how he deflecting y'all .

Speaker 1 21:26

Anyway , like I was saying , bro , so I've been working on this , I do it my students man , just about , like how to be in therapy , how to be in therapy , how to be in therapy , just some quick reminders , some like ankle words . Right , and I know you're going to resonate with this , because these words are not just helpful tools but it describes your personality . Okay , right , so here's the three phrases . Right , six words , three phrases . The first one is be slow . I'll explain . First one is be slow . Second one is be lazy . Third one is be dumb , dumb . Yeah , that's me right . Yeah , that's me . Nailed it , that's me . Here's what I mean dog , here's what I mean right , like dog .

Speaker 1 22:22

I feel like so many times when I'm hearing out of practicum students or even internship students , it's like I gotta go somewhere . Yeah , that's what I was gonna say . I gotta make , I gotta make something happen . You know , like got to , you know , and when they can't do it with the dialogue , they do it with trinkets . Yeah , you know what I mean . Yeah , we talked about that . Yeah , yeah , yeah . And so I was trying to get the students in this mindset of , like bruh , be slow man . Like , you got to sit there and create some spaciousness in the session , you know , and I know we don't have enough time to talk about all of this stuff , but , like , maybe we'll do a cast specifically focus on this , you know , or we'll do a lecture series and charge you guys uh for uh . But yeah , um , yeah , be slow , like , just slow down . That that means you got to sit in the pocket .

Speaker 1 23:20

If somebody says remember when our girlfriend went to jail which one ? What are you talking about ? We are from the hood . Which one ? No , I didn't want to . I didn't want to . Bones , bones , bones .

Speaker 1 23:42

Yeah , and he came out and we were like bone bro , what was it like , you know ? And he was like it was terrible . Nah , it's not like the movies , it was awful . I knew I was in trouble when I used toilet paper for a pillow . And he's like oh , yeah , it's not like the movies , it was awful . I knew I was in trouble when I used toilet paper for a pillow . He's like , yeah , it's not fun .

Speaker 1 24:01

And I remember this is what I mean by be slow . It's like you got to sit there and you got to go . Okay , man , tell me about it , right ? So what was the walls like when you went in there ? You know , like , okay , so what sounds ? Do you remember ? You know , and there you know , like , okay , so what sounds ? Do you remember ? You know , and and do it in a way that's appropriate for the person .

Speaker 1 24:19

Obviously you don't want to sit there meticulously comb through stuff , but the whole idea is to be able to create these breadcrumbs in session yeah , you know , for to be able to pull back or to be able to relate back to . You know , the the client's experience , and not just their experience of an event , but what did they think about themselves and other people in the world ? What did they start to believe ? You know , yada , yada , yada . Right , but you can't get there if you don't slow down . Yeah , you know , like , put the work into perspective . You know , like , how long , how long is this going to take ? Yeah , you know , how long , should long is this going to take ? Yeah , you know how long should this take , you know .

Speaker 1 24:59

And then the second one is uh , be lazy , right ? Yeah , meaning , bruh , you gotta create a process and you gotta trust that process . Don't be coming in there with these grandiose plans of awareness . Bro jesus , how many times have you planned something and it worked out 100 of the time . But I know I'm a drill buster . I like . I know , I know you're lying to me because when I was in the CLC , 100% of the time I'm cutting all this out no , no , because when I was in the CLC and me and you would be doing therapy Listen y'all , this is how he would be , this is how Jesus would be . He'd go oh brother , I just read about this cool activity that I can do and I think next week I'm going to try it . I'm going gonna try it with my favorite client , me , and I'd be like jews man , bro , calm down , bro , calm down . And then , and then you'd be like no , I read about it and I think you know what it's called . It's called sand tray . I'm going to go to Belton Lake and get the sand . I was the equivalent of a giant roaming through a city , knocking down buildings .

Speaker 1 26:30

I don't think you've ever added structure to a single one of your sessions , but you know what I mean , bro . Like you know people , how many times have you heard students come in and they're like oh , I'm gonna get them with the and then fill in the blink technique you know well . Yeah , it's not just like darling this is kind of getting into the points I was making to my practicing class last week . It's like , oh man , just shut up . Oh man , just shut up . Shut up , that's what I mean . Like that's just shut up , be quiet , be more curious . Like stop , stop doing the work . Yeah , like , like seriously shut up . Like you have no idea what you're talking about . You're going into session .

Speaker 1 27:22

Well , actually , I think this is a manifestation of the trauma and the trauma needs to be confronted . And if you confront the trauma with this type of response , then you can shut up . Seriously , you have an hour and a half worth of therapy . Shut up , no , that's not what's happening in there . Like , how about just be in a relationship with the client and not try to like figure out what's going on with the client so you can help them ? Well , how many , how many times have you had to tell yourself that , yeah , dog , oh , the very , the very three ? Like , uh , pre-practicum , uh , apply techniques and and practicum . Like no , I mean even even now , like , even now , as as a professional , even even now , I think . I think less so because , um , because I made I made a lot of mistakes , trying to overanalyze or just analyze what was going on in session .

Speaker 1 28:26

You know like , yeah , but just trying to do too much work Trying to figure out what's going on with the client , and then if I do this , then this will happen , and if I so , okay , I figured that out . So , you know , the combination to this is that , and there's a formula to that , you know like they're a formula to that , you know like they try to formalize you know the client's thought processes and that's not how humans work , you know , okay , okay . But so then here's my third point . My third point is be dumb Right and here's , and then it's be dumb , dot dot dot . And I stole this from may you know , uh , dr , uh , may cho , win , may cho , where she says be dumb in session , be smart out of session , yeah , right , so , like so many times , I'd be in session trying to out think the client . You know , like so many times I'm trying . And that's where I do get caught up in that situation where the client's talking and all I'm thinking about is , oh , this is a manifestation of some organismic . Uh , yeah , this is , this is what it is . You know how it is . Yeah , you know , oh , this person has an inferiority complex , because their experience of their birth order is , you know , and it's like , hey , stop , yeah , stop , yeah , stop , man , stop , be dumb in session , you know , be . And I'm saying sit there and go .

Speaker 1 29:50

You have four brothers , man , what's it like to have four brothers , you know ? Like , what's it like for you , like what's it like , what's it like for you ? Tell me about that , you know what I mean . Like just way more . And then , as opposed to , as opposed to , oh , you have four brothers , wait , hold on , you were the middle kid , right ? Oh , that makes sense . That makes sense Because middle kids are . And you were the thing , let me guess , let me guess Middle , and me guess little . And maybe , because you're , you're , you're a three enneagram , aren't you ? You gotta be , because you gotta , you were mentioning this and that , that and this and that , that and that equals that and that , this and that , that . Yep , that makes sense , that .

Speaker 1 30:33

So you're a pisces , right , all right , stop , shut up , just just be , just be a little bit more dumb , you know , and and be smart , out of session , so then , so then you get out of session and maybe you're in supervision , are you in consultation , are you just in your group , you know and and you go , okay , first , okay , for , okay , inferiority , okay , fragmented sense itself , whatever theory you have , work through it outside and then go into session and be a normal person . Man , but when you're in your practicum class , are you on a whiteboard etching out what's going on in session , or are you more of a ? Let me just let the class process what's going on in session , or are you more of a ? Let me just let the class process what's going on . And I do a little bit of both . Okay , yeah , I do a little bit of both .

Speaker 1 31:31

Honestly , like there's times where so here's how I like to teach it right like if we're in , if we're in group , I'll have students . It's different . If we're internship group , I'll have students . It's different . If we're internship one and they're integrating theories into it , we'll get on the board I actually have it on my board right now where we'll write problem , concept , goal , you know , and it's all theory based , you know . And then we'll make like a little grid and then I'll have somebody say okay , you got five minutes , tell us about the case . You know that we're going to watch five minutes . They tell us about the case and then we take another , like 10 minutes , and then the students will get on the board and write down what they think the problem is , and it and it can't be content related , it has to be process related , you know . And then what the concept they're going to use in therapy to help the client gain some awareness . This is an internship right . This is an internship right . And then the goal , like the end goal of session , you know what I mean . And then we watch the session , right ? Yeah , so we watch a little bit of the session , we come back and then we spend an hour processing what's going on for everybody , what's happening in the case , but then what—so let's look at the problem . Explain your problem from your perspective . Explain how you would use that concept .

Speaker 1 33:01

Man , me and Cameron took a golf lesson once , right , by the head golf pro , right , and I'm thinking , you know , I'm thinking we would have that beating balls . But he's going to be like analytical , I'm talking like DEXA scan type , like body composition , kinesthetic sequence type , stuff , right , and all he did was he put us , he put a trash can in the middle of the field trash can , right . And he said I just hit balls to the trash can , yeah , you know . And then he made a competition out of it . So me and carver was trying to get the ball closest to the trash can , right , the trash can was probably like 125 out , you know . So for me that , what's that for you , bro ? 125 ? For me it's probably like a soft , soft pigeon wedge , you know . Maybe like a soft , you know , like , yeah , 50 , 54 degrees , something like that . You know . Like nice buttery , you know . Just like you know , like nice buttery , you know , just like you know . So I'm , you know .

Speaker 1 34:05

But , and then we got to a point , to where we were . We're hitting the trash can , you know , and it was . You know how car is like if you put a competition to it , he locks in , you know . Yeah , that's like the whole point . The whole point of that thing was just like he's trying to gauge whether we can gauge distance Right , whether we can modulate our swing to bring the ball closer or further away from the trash can , right , yeah , he's not trying to figure out . Like you know , do you lift up with your left pinky toe before you ? You know he's not doing that . Do you have to correct , he's not looking at , he's not looking at like swinging , and you know , like , are you , are you ? Are you swinging your hips ? Are you doing you know ? Is your arm tucked in ? Are you closing the club ? Are you whatever ? He's just looking at like , hey , can you just it hard enough ? They're soft enough to bring them closer to the trash ? Can that's practical ?

Speaker 1 35:04

I think students go in there trying to like . So what's the distance ? What's the wind speed ? What's the rotation of Mars right now ? What's the humidity ? How fast are the greens ? What's in retrograde right now ? So what time is the sunrise this morning ?

Speaker 1 35:19

And you said the dew point was what , and you said the dew point was what . And you said the barometric pressure was what . And you know it's like hey , man , just go in there and try to be in a relationship with the other person , be slow , be slow , just try to be lazy , be curious , just be curious . Don't work too hard , don't take the work from the client , slow it down , ask , okay . So you said that . Tell me more , look okay , because I don't understand . I'm a little bit confused . Tell me what this means to you . Just be , just be in a relationship with the other person .

Speaker 1 35:56

So then in practicum they come out and then now it's time to analyze the client . You know , I think this is what's going on with the client . Therefore , you should go in there next week and do this . You know , and it's like shut up , like if you are in practicum and you and the words come . The words I think you should comes out of your mouth . That's a , that's a trick . You are triggered . It's so frustrating , you are triggered .

Speaker 1 36:23

It's so frustrating you are , you are so frustrating , dog . You know why ? Because then I have to , I have to be in practice . I'm saying like no , don't do that . But then everybody's starting to . You know , I'm like so , so I had to sit in project . I'm going , so I had to sit in project . I mean , I had to be like , hey , man , when you make reflections on what you think your peer should do , it's coming from your own stuff , like you're only seeing what's reflected in your past . So , of course , confrontation about this particular issue is highlighted for you , because that's what you wanted to do with when Meemaw did this one thing to you . You know , that's all of your

Practical Therapy vs. Overanalysis

Speaker 1 37:09

stuff . You know , stop it , stop it , let's just . Let's just talk about what the relationship looks like , what's going on within the relationship between these two people , you know , but it's so frustrating to me , dog , so frustrating to me . You should never utter . I think you should , or you know what would be cool if you tried , are you ? You don't have enough clinical experience , not , not now .

Speaker 1 37:34

Y'all heard him . That is not fussing . Y'all heard him . Okay , that is not fussing . Y'all heard him . Huh , okay , daddy's not fussing . Mm-hmm , yeah , uh-huh , daddy's not fussing . Nah , g is nah . Because they need to know . Yeah , y'all heard him . Yeah , y'all better . Hey , man , when you teach practice again this week , I'm trying to see if I can get in touch with some midnight players so they can come into the class and regulate Midnight players . Moon , moon's out . Let's go Full moon .

Speaker 1 38:03

What was the call ? What was the call what you used to say to us ? We can't give the people the call yeah , because I remember Sometimes you bring us in and give us a little word . I mean , you mean the call to arms . Yeah , the call to arms was hooty hoo . It was hooty hoo , and that was the . You mean the call to arms ? Yeah , yeah , the call to arms was Hootie Hoo . Yeah , it was Hootie Hoo , and that was the . Yeah , hootie Hoo . You didn't get that . You don't remember that call ? Nah , I yeah , hootie Hoo , ride out , man , I play as ride out . All right , all right , I think we got the call . Hey , what's hooty-hoo ? Okay , all right , all right , all right , all right , we got him mad , we got him mad , we got him mad . Anyway , we got to go , man , go man , we gotta go . I know you got supervision . I gotta , I gotta , prepare a lecture for , uh , for my one o'clock class . So , uh , no bro , no man , yeah , you're right , bro , you're right , you're right , man .

Speaker 1 39:17

I think there's something about your first time as a therapist man . There's just something about it , bro , in the beginning , where you're just like I got to help , I got to help . This has to mean something . I got to make this session . This has to mean something . This has to be helpful . Yeah , bro , what's the point , bro , bro thing ? This has to be helpful . Yeah , bro , what's the point , bro ?

Speaker 1 39:43

Some of my best sessions , man , were like dog , I'm tired , so super slow , I'm look , I'm trying to understand everything . Not , and I'm not being annoying , I'm just trying to understand everything you know . And and then I'm sitting there and I'm not working too hard . You know , client goes , so what do you think ? And I'm like I don't know , man , it feels like you really want me to figure this out , but I got no answers for you . Man , yeah , you know , like , and then I'm sitting there and I know there's some theory in there and I'm like , yeah , it's a fragmented sense itself . I gotta work on integrating out there . That's the top dog on the dog , all right , yeah , whatever , yeah , tell me a little bit more about you know where I'm and I'm not trying to go like . You know what I can do right now . Yeah , I can probably do the empty jacket , probably do the voice dialogue right now . Well , you know , if I bring this chair in this chair , in this chair in this chair in this , yeah , or not even , or just like trying to figure out what's going on for the client , you know , instead of being present with the client .

Speaker 1 40:40

Yeah , yeah , man , anyway , all right , all right , man , all right , man , hey , man , one monday down . Hey , we got a couple people that reached out to us for uh for interviews . Yeah , yeah , yeah , we got a circle . We got a circle back with uh , with a couple people , um , so we should . And then you got some , uh , some new people , just some random people who are into things related to counseling .

Speaker 1 41:05

Yes , and pretty innovative , innovative stuff that's going on in the field . You know , that may benefit , benefit the listener , I mean . So , yeah , if you uh want to , if you want us to , you know , maybe you you own a company or maybe you're like doing something innovative in the field , or maybe you just want to to chat , just reach out to us , man . Yeah , I know I wanted to . Yeah , I wanted to bring a couple people on . Man , you know , just in our circles and stuff , so we'll see . No , I'm good , I'm good . Yeah , good thing you don't decide , bro , you don't decide . You got no power . Hootie-hoo , no power .

Speaker 1 41:41

Who do you say you still got that sweater ? Who do you say you still got your sweater ? Yeah , but I need , we need to go to mom and them house and find that sweater . It's probably in some like it's probably in my closet . No , it's probably in my closet . You know what ? Oh my , I bet it's key in size . Yeah , oh , man , next generation of the Midnight Players , next generation the Midnight Players ride on . Why are we going to be riding some , I don't know , remember , because we had that classic car airbrush on the back , remember , remember that . Anyway . Hi , man , we'll talk to you all later , you remember ? Yeah , you remember that . Anyway , hi man , hi man , we'll talk to you . On the other one , I'm going to go get some work done , all right

Closing Thoughts and Future Guests

Speaker 1 42:27

. I'm going to go procrastinate real quick , all right . So I want to let you know . I appreciate that . Yep , bye-bye .