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Season 4, Episode 18 Division III Coaches Huddle
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KP Sits Down with NCAA Division III men's volleyball coaches to discuss the 2026 NCAA men's volleyball season. Joining KP is Glenn DeHaven (Juniata), Evin Giglio (Wentworth), Doug Burchett (Dominican) and Rob Wingert (Misericordia). Also, Coach Dan Buehring of Stevens Institue of Technology joined the show.
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Well, KP here. Welcome to the Kevin Pratt Podcast. We have another edition of the NCAA Division III Coach's Huddle. We are so excited. We have another great guest along with our normal coaching crew. We have Coach Dan out at Stevens Institute of Technology, an absolute gorgeous campus, highly academic, great engineering school. And ironically, I'm sure I'll get brought up. Coach Glenn has ties at that university because he used to coach with the women's team and was the head coach there. So we will uh introduce Coach Dan in a second and have him say his hello, but let's go around the horn real quick. Coach Doug, how are you doing in Illinois?
SPEAKER_02What's up, KP? Thanks for having me back. Sorry I missed last week. I'm doing well. My fighting alini are in the Sweet 16, so I'm very, very happy about that for March Madness.
SPEAKER_04Congrats. Yeah, it's been a fun uh week for basketball for sure. Coach Rob, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_03Good. It was uh it was a balmy 33 degrees in Dallas, Pennsylvania today. We had some snowflakes, so really starting to feel like you know, postseason volleyball coming up with this January weather.
SPEAKER_04Cool. Good to hear. And uh, Coach Evan, how are things in Boston?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, things are going uh pretty well. You know, I think we had a successful pod last week, and I just wanted to ask Doug quickly if he has anything to say to me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I sneaked that I needed that one week off from you, man.
SPEAKER_05Oh, okay. I I thought you were gonna say, you're welcome, Evan. Thank you. But I guess we're just getting right past that. So just yeah, go to the next guy, ask them how they're doing.
SPEAKER_04Well, uh we'll definitely talk about it. Coach Doug had a nice win uh against Aurora, I'm sure I'll get brought up. But why don't we say hello to Coach Glenn? Coach Glenn, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01Hello, everyone. Thanks, KP. Show number 12. Very much like Coach Wingert. Uh, we had 80 degrees on Monday, and I was just letting my dogs out in the snow here uh about 15-20 minutes ago. So I'm over that for sure, but excited to be back.
SPEAKER_04Well, I hope to bring you guys some good weather. I'm I'm visiting the East Coast and I need it to be really sunny because I'm going to the uh Padre Red Sox game, so I don't want to have to bundle up.
SPEAKER_03So buy a jacket, Kevin. Buy a jacket.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we'll see. But more importantly, coach, Coach Dan, how are you doing? We got Coach Dan, why don't you introduce yourself from Stevens Institute of Technology?
SPEAKER_06So my name is Dan from Stevens Institute of Technology. I'm from Doug's neck of the woods. Uh grew up in Chicago. Doug and I actually played a year apart at Sports Reformance. We used to play on a 14-year-old team together, which is pretty cool. So Doug and I go back a ways, but doing great. Happy to get a big win-in conference over Messiah this week and some decent weather yesterday. So put in 30 miles on the bike and just didn't have uh college-age guys needing help support or something or the other of some kind. I just kind of like get lost on my bike for a big old long time and I come back feeling a whole lot better. So I am uh ready to go. One one day down, Monday's good, more big matches this week, and uh happy to be here. So thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it's always good to connect. I remember I met you when I was played against you when I was 20 or 19. You were at CBU, and I remember asking Dan Fisher about, hey, that guy's like really good, and Dan was like, Yeah, like he's he's really good. Like we played at Fry, and then we were playing in the pyramid. And I remember because I got to play, because it was in the fall, like I remember I was the L2 and you were setting and you were blocking and all that good stuff, and then I remember visiting Chicago with Clay Ostrander, and you were playing beach with Mike Mc uh or Matt McCarthy, and we we after the tournament you guys played against us and you you took it to us. It was very windy. I remember calling all my California friends, and I'm like, man, Chicago has a lot of wind, you know, for uh we you guys call it the beach, I call it a lake, but like you play in that area, but no, and then we went to your house and you made us I don't know if you remember, you made us stay dance.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I remember that was a blast. I remember Clay coming over and hanging out. Doug played in college with or in high school with Clay, right? Small world, it's always a small world.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that was 21 years ago. So that was a while ago.
SPEAKER_06I remember that. That was great. Yeah, we played some Wicker Park. Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_04But anyways, we'll get right into it. So, how long have you been coaching at Stevens and uh why do you love Stevens?
SPEAKER_06I think my sixth full year, maybe sixth season, Stevens is a special place. I love it. It's the guys are really sharp, they're super ambitious. Um, you know, guys, guys come there because they're super career oriented. There's a lot of schools just like us in a couple different ways as far as like being career oriented and things like that. Somehow, some reason, maybe it's partly our expectations of the program or something like that, but we do a good job integrating kind of like the athletics and the academics, bit. It's not, it's our for us, the priorities are always you, your well-being, and your family, uh, your career and academic pursuits, and then volleyball. But they don't really get tiered like that a whole lot. A lot of people, maybe that sounds dirty to some people, like making the athletics thing the third spot or sacrilegious or something. But it's for us, like the same commitment to excellence goes into all three. And I think that's that's pretty neat. Um, I think a lot of programs are able to function like that. It's it's just challenging for these guys when they're doing uh engineering and it's like fluids and dynamics and heat transfer and all these crazy classes. I'll catch them doing their homework on their um on their laptops. And it, I mean, it just literally looks like um, you know, Egyptian hieroglyphs and stuff like that. I'm like, so explain to me exactly what's going on here. I'm laud and ran one time. I was like, what the, what's going on here? He's like, well, I got this saline solution. It's being dripped into a less saline solution. And I'm supposed to model out at what rate the less saline solution will reach equilibrium with the other solution above as it gets dripped at this rate. And I'm just like, what, like there's a math equation for that? You know, it's insane. And and then, you know, we got to go play whoever, and you know, we're stressed out on academics, we gotta figure it out. So it's a unique place, but the thing is they're super, super high functioning. I think we get kind of a stressed-out crew sometimes. We can have a bad week. I think we had a couple bad days, a couple bad bad weeks this year, and things like that. And the next thing I know, the next week, they're just feeling better because midterms are over. But I just love it because we grab a really cool demographic of guys. I think Ev Evan and I share, we make a couple jokes and things. We have guys cut from the same claw. Same thing with Shane Reed at MSOE. But I just really, really appreciate how sharp they are. I call them intellectual velociraptors sometimes. I can't roll out a half through half thought-through practice, they'll poke a bunch of holes in it and tell me where my practice wasn't just right or efficient enough. So I just like a place with high standards like that. And it's it's been a really good fit. I'm very grateful to be there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I uh I remember this summer I visited your school and it was kind of late at night. It was like 10:30, but I was like, hey, I gotta go see the campus. Like, I'm here, I live in San Diego. And like it was gorgeous. The campus security like kind of checked in on me and like they were super nice. They like took pictures of me, and I was like, I need a picture here that shows that I'm at university. And uh it was it was gorgeous though. Like um, you could see the skyline, you know, of New York City, and it was incredible. Yeah, you you do some great stuff there, and uh I can relate to I I always call Richard Gary and people like you when I was at Bishops because I I had very intellectual students, and I would be like, hey, how do I, you know, and you guys would give me like some tips on stuff, you know, like this athlete likes this or this type of kid. So I'm glad you mentioned that. But Coach Glenn, do you have a question for Coach Dan?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I'll obviously state I had a great experience at Stevens myself having a chance to coach the women. And unlike Dan, for me, hard to um, you know, five years of never being the smartest person in the room is wild. You know, like I think some of my coaching philosophies and and how I coached changed very much just because of how, like Dan mentioned, how bright you know the students are and and how they kind of question and you know, life choices that I make on a daily basis. So I think my biggest question is talk to us about Hoboken itself. What what does it mean to your students, the opportunities it creates for them? And you know, the obviously, you know, being in Hoboken myself for you know for five years and then moving back to Huntington couldn't be more polar opposite. But what does Hoboken do for your students?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'll just quick rewind to echo what you said. The the guys are super sharp. They make me a better coach every year. I do challenge them. I've I've the way I figure out how to dance around them is just if you want a great coach, help make me great. Challenge me. If it if it didn't work in, let me know. Let me know why. And they're very, very good at it. We have a we have a good dance we do with that. But I think you kind of nail with it, just want to uh share. I think you nailed it on that one. When it comes to Hoboken, I think you know this. You'll you'll probably, you know, you'll know everything as I go through it. One, one, I think is a great place for a university, just there's amazing job opportunities. They can get internships and co-ops and things like that, starting off at employers that already have had Stevens grads and had success with them. So they want to pull grads from Stevens because they know they get a really good product and some students that really know what's going on. They're good with whatever different industry standards are going on, software certifications, things like this. So that's really good because they can get on into like midtown on the path and like, you know, 30 minutes. There's a 126 bus that goes through the Lincoln Tunnel, gets you right into Times Square in about like 20 minutes without traffic. So like the career opportunities and stuff like that are pretty exceptional. Then when it comes to just like college life, it's it's interesting, not a lot of people in Hobo can know that Stevens exists because it's kind of tucked behind some really nice houses and some things like that, and up on a big old hill, basically. But it's just in a very, very cute town with Washington Street going for the full mile across the Mile Square City, they call it. And there's just all kinds of like great places to eat and hang out, and the students love it. Then on top, there's a cool vibe when you're on the river. You know, you just we we kind of get the better view. No, no uh offense to anyone living in Jersey, which I have for a healthy chunk of time. But there was a really funny joke I saw one time. This guy was going around the West Side Highway in New York getting people to sign a petition, asking them to sign a petition to raise funds to put a mirror in the middle of the Hudson, so New Jersey finally had to look at itself. And that the guys in New Jersey could or New York could finally get the better view. I thought this was one of the funniest things. People were like dying laughing with this petition. It got a lot of signatures. Um, it was just some comedy bit. The point is, we we get this view that is pretty unbelievable. I don't know what we are, like 200 feet up in the air at the top of the Castle Point, but Hoboken itself is just a really cool place to go to college with a lot of young professionals living in Hoboken to get a lower cost of living, going in you know on the bus or the path to go to work. Um, so the college kids kind of blend in with that. There's some some like bars and late night stuff that's kind of fun. Um, it's just a cool place to go to school. It's really, really cool. Not a lot of square footage. It is small, it has some downsides, it's expensive, there's some things like that. But other than that, it's a pretty cool place to be for college. Awesome. Did I miss anything, Glenn? What do you think?
SPEAKER_01No, I you hit it on the head. Put a mirror up.
SPEAKER_04And then, Coach Doug, what do you have for us?
SPEAKER_02All right, Dan, you mentioned uh you grew up in the Chicago area and uh have been away from the city now, what, six years? What do you miss most about living in Chicago outside of family and friends? And what do you love most about living on the East Coast now?
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah, there's some good contrasts here. One is the lakefront in Chicago is just special. There's so much space, it's so green, it's huge. I used to go for swims in the lake. I just used to love just being like, I can't make it from this point to that point and just like be alive still, you know, and just like just you could just jump in the lake and do stuff. And I totally appreciate you can't jump in the Hudson, the tides are crazy, all the swimming stuff. People think it's polluted. It's really not that polluted, you could totally swim in that. They actually still do like swimming races in there. If it didn't just rain, the Hudson's fine. It's the tides that are dangerous, but it bums me out that I can't just jump in the Hudson and go for like I could literally I live uh literally across the Hudson exactly from Stevens. I'm like, I would swim to work absolutely if I couldn't get like hit by a ferry or uh the tides weren't dangerous. So that bums me out a little bit. And I did like going for swims in the lake in Chicago when it was really warm. So the lakefront's a big one for me. I will say people in the Midwest are just very kind and good natured and warm. And it is not that people on the East Coast are not that way, Evan and Glenn. Uh, but it's just they have a hard candy coating. They might be sweet in the middle, but you gotta crack through it to get to it. Uh in the Midwest, people are just so kind and like interesting. Just every now and again I go back to the Midwest. I'm just like, you shouldn't be that nice. Someone's gonna take advantage of you. I'm like, oh wait, no, like people around here don't do that. You know, it's like there's no New York hustle going on. Someone's gonna sell you a fake pair of AirPods or something like that. But on the flip side, what I love about New York is it attracts some of the sharpest people around. So everybody's got an interesting story here, and people are so razor sharp. It it just keeps on your toes. So many people are with it that you can really sharpen yourself up against some people who um most for the most part, they're they're doing something. They're you're kicking butt at it because they're existing here. There's just like such a high bar to exist. So I do enjoy that. And then it's just wild to be able to like go underground for like 15 minutes and see some of the best artists in the world on Broadway and things like that, or up to Central Park, or you get in a on a bike, in about 30 to 40 minutes, you can get yourself somewhere that you wouldn't even recognize you're in the New York metro area once you start getting north through to George Washington Bridge. And I think there's some amazing nature around here. Chicago kind of leaves something to be desired sometimes with the prairie, it's flat. There's the one city, and then there's the lake, and then yeah, that's about it. Uh, here there's like ocean, you know, the arts, everything in the city. Um, the Hudson River Valley is beautiful. Long Island's got a really lot of really cool stuff going on. My wife's actually from the same town Glenn's from, hunting, uh New York. Beautiful, beautiful. Long Island is totally beautiful place. So that's that's my my quick two cents on it. Um, but oh, lastly, I do love about New York. I just think it's crazy. It's like everything, all the best, all the worst, all the everything all at the same time on one place. It's just overload, but it is a fascinating place to be.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's good. Review on that. That's good stuff. And then um, Coach Rob, what do you have?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, before uh I asked my question, it was crazy. You're telling that story about Loud Moran. Saline Solution was my nickname in high school. But you don't talk about that when I'm coming down the hallway. So crazy. Just connecting me with loud and once again, just two elite centers, both both familiar with saline solutions. I'm gonna take you more to the level side of things, Dan. You know, I've had a chance to coach against you for for all six seasons, even at Stevens. Something that I think you do better than anyone in the country um is utilize depth. Obviously, Stevens is a great place to collect talented athletes, but for seemingly willing to go down to oh, oh five, middle four. You know, there was a tri match that we hosted here in 2024 where where you ran two different lineups and you let a group go down 0-2, um, and then you actually won the final two sets by a combined score of 40 to 18. Um, we kept track. I'll I'll keep that third program off of last, but just talk to me about your philosophy and your comfort of of utilizing the amount of talent that you're able to collect at Stevens.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I would say first, just due credit to the institution. It attracts a lot of really great athletes. And I'm just grateful to be there. So you did nail that just in that we're lucky to have some really healthy depth. I think that it helped us a lot. When I was watching our match this Saturday, I just got the feeling that our B squad gives our A squad a really tough time in practice all the time. And what that's coming down to is I'm really trying to, there's a couple things. Uh, I'm trying to increase the quality of volleyball in our own practice gym. The goal is, and I'm not saying we're achieving this at any given point or anything, or I'm not making any comments about our B squad versus other teams we would play, but it's like we want to make that group so freaking good that we're seeing the best volleyball that we would play in the week in our own gym. It's a hard goal to achieve. I don't think we achieve it like all the time, maybe sometimes, hard to say. And I just think about like what is the quality of that volleyball? And if that second group isn't feeling important, if they're not seeing action and activity, I think it's really easy for them to get checked out. So I'm constantly challenging them. I'm just like, I'm gonna put you out there this week. So, like, we got to get better at this. Like, and A Squad needs to see you blocking that ball because you know, your hands aren't over aren't over on time, your feet are moving, your eyes are on the wrong thing, whatever it might be. And I'm like, you know, and if you want that role, then like this is your opportunity to go prove against, you know, an opponent where maybe we feel like we can, you know, get you out there and still get away with a win. Like, we're gonna do that. And and just a level of engagement from top to bottom on the roster brings a level in our practice gym that we generally see our top team losing 30 to 50 percent of the time in our own training environment. And so my hope is that's just getting them more battle tested, more calluses, a little bit tougher, a little bit uh better for it. And then the other thing, too, is like they just bring really great energy. They just feel like they're part of it. Um, I just want them to feel that way, full stop. I just want people to have a positive experience in the program. Uh, it's just kind of like, I don't know, it's it's just fun. Like even the A Squad guys, they love going nuts on the sidelines, seeing guys break through and unlock something and raise this thing on their level of play. I think that's just deeply satisfying to see that happen and to know we're we're finally getting there with this year's group. It took longer than I think it has traditionally taken us, where people are just taking pride in being the wind in each other's sails. And I think that there's a really cool like losing of your own ego and then like buying into like this is what we do here. We're trying to be truly extraordinary, like doing something exceptional. It's hard to do as young men and be part of something bigger than ourselves. And I just think that it doesn't work if I don't involve them on the court in competition and let them sharpen their saw. By the time that you know the Messiah match comes around this week, for instance, like some guys just kind of know like this is my role. And if something happens, I'm ready to go. But if not, like I'm just I'm just I'm winding the sales. I'm just doing everything I can to help the team. And I I don't know what to call it, but I do mean this from the bottom of my heart. Some kind of Harry Potter magic happens on our team most years once people kind of drop the ego and know that it's bigger than them, and it just becomes really fun to be around. I mean, really, really, really fun to be around for everybody. And an essential ingredient of that is just giving them opportunities out on the court and letting them have experiences.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, coach, I really like that you brought that up and not to put you on blast, but I'm just very curious because I know that you'll tell me the truth and you'll talk about your culture to not put a team on blast. Let's say hypothetically it was a college team, but you were coaching someone like the Raiders talent in the NFL, right? Like they're not very good. And so, like, would you have that same philosophy? Because like when I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, that's awesome he does that for his kids. And a lot of coaches don't do that. Um, however, though, like you have one of the top winning programs and you guys win a lot. Now, you probably win a lot because you uh fertilize and water that depth and you talk about that philosophy. If you had a program that you were taking over from scratch and you guys were at the bottom of the barrel, would you continue that philosophy like, look, we're gonna take our lumps, but I'd rather do that and build like a seven-year culture, you know, because by doing that, you might like lose a match or two. Or how do you balance that?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I think it's a different equation. Just when I got to Stevens, this became very apparent to me that um this could work and it could potentially really, really help out a lot. Um when I started the program back at Benedictin, uh shooting like 2015. We were just trying to get a win anywhere that we could. I think it's a very different equation, that situation. You kind of got to play some guys. There, there's the other part of it's like our A squad just is a little bit fresher for it. You know, there are teams that are kind of like, you know, if I could get a rest day instead of play today, that'd actually be kind of great. Like it, it's it's March, it's April, I'm I'm sore, I'm I'm hurt. And I think all these guys are like, yeah, we got guys like that too. And these other guys are thrilled just to get on the court and play. And honestly, I think they bring a better level than if we put our A squad guys out there. But to your question about like, you know, depending on the quality of physicality and skill, and sometimes it's just like, you know, can you get everybody bought in and do they do they care? Do you have the kind of like moral fiber on the team that guys aren't gonna kind of like check out? I have coached teams where it's like the bottom quartile of the team was just kind of like, yeah, like this is done soon, right? You know, and it's like no matter how much you try and make it fun for them and enjoyable and stuff, it it's just you can't give them an opportunity because they just don't really like engage. So this is really, really unique to I think that like super ambitious nature of the kind of folks that get attracted to Stevens in particular. And I I just I couldn't do that in some other situations that I was in at last at my previous institution. And even when I was coaching uh as an assistant coach in D1 women's volleyball, I think you couldn't really get away with it. This is something I could just kind of like read the tea leaves that was going on at Stevens. And I think that you know, Glenn's seen a lot of these the men's teams, even when he was adjacent on the women's side, and like I bet he could see it the same and that it's an opportunity that exists, and it is probably only going to be good for the team if you do it. But that was easy for me to read at Stevens. Was like, this is something we can do here, and it'll be really fun and cool, a little bit unique.
SPEAKER_04Well, kudos to you. That's awesome. Uh, Coach Evan, what question do you have?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I got a couple questions. First, um, I have what my answer would be, but I want to hear what you you think first. Okay. Is if you weren't coaching volleyball, okay? Let's just say you hang it up, you're we're moving on, what would you be doing? Like, what would your your job be?
SPEAKER_06No, I'd be a therapist for sure. I I really enjoy talking with people about like real things going on in their lives. And I'm kind of I tell I I tell people on their recruiting visits I'm kind of a fraud, kind of like a Trojan horse. I pretend like I coach volleyball and stuff. I'm really just trying to bake boys into men so we can have better citizens for um society tomorrow. Better dads, better men, better brothers, sons. That that's what I really, really care about. Um so yeah, I I was actually very close. I did like a little bit over half a master's degree to become a licensed clinical therapist. The guys don't always love it, but I I'll get into it with them if they got like confidence issues or whatever's going on. I'm like, hey, like what's with this body language? Like, we got to talk about this. Like, I'll get into it with them because I'm like, you know, you're not being nice to yourself in your own head is hurting the team. Now we got to talk about this. And they're like, man, like therapy with coach again. I'm like, you know, but it helps. And frankly, I've seen guys have huge breakthroughs after like just being a little bit nicer to themselves with their self-talk and little things like this. And then next thing you know, like the next year they have a girlfriend, they're feeling really cool and like good, and like, you know, whatever. And it is just cool to see guys break through and like maybe find their confidence, find their voice in the world. And that's really what I love doing more than anything. So yeah, I would be like a therapist just helping people through whatever's tough in life. Cause I I I just find those conversations real, authentic, and exhilarating. I wrote down a
SPEAKER_05Living a nomadic lifestyle out of a converted van? Part of me wants to do that. That was that was what I put. And then the next question. Okay. I'm glad someone brought up a Vassa earlier and Rich Gary. Uh because like next to Rich, who I couldn't get to play me at home if I offered him straight cash. Why do you think it's so tough to nail down a schedule with you and you'd like to change the time multiple times? What do you think that is?
SPEAKER_06Uh I think it's my clear and obvious weakness of I am not the world's best organized coach. Like, full stop. I think that uh I think I'm I think I'm really good at a couple of things. And then I think I'm really bad at a couple other things. And there's very few things in there right in the middle, but like, you know, all due credit to our associate head coach, Michael Burkhardt. He literally keeps me completely like teed up and in front of the things I'm supposed to be doing because I will my head will go in a ton of different directions. But if you have my full attention or you're right in front of me, I like to think I'm pretty good with people. Outside of that, like good luck, man. It's like hurting cats with my attention.
SPEAKER_05Just for reference, Dan and I played this year. The match took about 45 minutes, but the scheduling to get the time right took about six weeks. That's partly on me too.
SPEAKER_06But it's just yeah, he got like pushed up by women's basketball or something like that. And I was like, Yeah, that's probably fine. And it was like six months out. I took no time to think about like how early we need to wake up, like we need to be out at like 7 a.m. And we have this like aggressive like pre-match routine. And I was just like one week out or like a day out, and I was like, Evan, this is really early for us. Can we change the time? And I just like I'm like, I'm the worst.
SPEAKER_04Well, uh, let's go and let's recap the matches. All start on the West Coast. UC Santa Cruz this whole past week did not play, and then Cal Lutheran had their alumni match, so you know they don't generally usually cover that and like put the box scores on that. So they basically were idle, but UC Santa Cruz did play tonight, and I believe they did win, and they beat Aurora in five, so good for them. Let's go to Coach Evan. What went on uh in your neck of the woods?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Uh a couple things. Uh we had a a three and a uh week. Couple picked up a few wins, which was nice. Uh, Hobart was out here. They did a little tour of Massachusetts. They uh played MIT first on Wednesday in the conference. Uh that match MIT won and three, but I think to good thing to note, there was 45 miss sets. 45 miss serves, excuse me, in three sets. So not a ton of volleyball, a ton of misserves. And then we we played Hobart, they came to our place, and then there was a tri match at Wheaton with LaSalle and Hobart. So interesting results for that. LaSalle went 0-2. Both those matches went five sets. Wheaton in the first year program getting a win over LaSalle, who's ranked, I think they're ranked 12th this week. So really a big win for and uh and coach Scott Reslow. And then another interesting uh five-setter. Rivier beat Nichols in five sets, non-conference. Uh Coach Casey at Riv was the former Nichols coach. Uh so I feel like anytime you're playing against the team that you used to, you know, work out or coach at, you're just a little bit extra there. So uh good win for for Riv.
SPEAKER_02All right, and Coach Doug, what about you? Yeah, so for Dominican, we had two wins this past week. We had a 3-2 win over Aurora. Um, and then we picked up a 3-1 win over St. Norbert. So two good knack wins. MSOE had a 3-2 win over Aurora. So MSOE actually moves to the top of the knack right now. Trine had a 3-0 win against Baldwin Wallace, which moves to a tie at the top of the MCVL with Calvin and Trine. So things are staying pretty interesting there. And then Loris picked up a 3-2 home win over number one Carthage. So that moves to a tie at the top of the CCIW with Carthage and Illinois Wesling. So a lot of uh tight conference races going on in uh the next CCIW and the MCVL.
SPEAKER_01All right, and Coach Glenn. Uh my group went 3-0. We had three conference matches in the CBC this week. Etown, Rutgers, and Kane. Honestly, all really good group. All top 30, I think. I think E Town was 33 this past week in MPIs. Solid matches for us. Uh, I think the big upset of the week in conference was actually Kane over Rutgers at Rutgers Wednesday night. Interesting and different group of teams. I mean, Kane, honestly, probably the most defensive team out there on the men's side. Um, you know, their strength is keeping balls off the floor and and not making a lot of mistakes. And Rutgers is probably the complete opposite of that. Very physical. Um, they're gonna be super aggressive from the line and as a group of attackers. So huge win for Kane. They were 19 this past week. Rutgers, I believe, was 13. So good win for that group.
SPEAKER_04Awesome. And then uh, Coach Rob, what about you?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, um, I just got a couple quick matches. One that Dan will probably touch on a little bit more. Um, Buff State with a nice win over Barent, taking control of the AMCC. NJCU with a win over Baruch, taking control of the Kuniac. And Stevens over Messiah in uh what has become an annual event for everyone to follow, taking control of the Mac. So some of the uh region two and region three conferences that Glenn didn't touch on starting to start to take some shape.
SPEAKER_04Good stuff. And Coach Dan, what do you got going on over in uh New Jersey?
SPEAKER_06Uh a little CVC crossover. We saw uh Juniata earlier this year was a really, really good match. We're gonna play SVU on Thursday. I've been watching the film. It looks like they can be really, really good or even somewhere in the middle. I don't know if Coach Glenn would agree with that, but I've seen them do some super physical, really impressive stuff on film, and then I've seen them um maybe have a little bit less discipline, is what I'll say. Uh Glenn, do you have any comment on that as we look forward to Thursday?
SPEAKER_01Uh no, I think you hit it on the head. I think, you know, when when they're motivated and they play well, I think they're as as good as anybody I've seen so far. Um, you know, there's definitely some hiccups. I think it's some of that is very new group um compared to last year's you know reigning national champs. Um so I think there's going to be hiccups, but it always helps when you're running 19, 20-year-old freshmen out there.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we've we've seen a little bit of that uh up and down on our roster as well. So we're looking forward to that on Thursday and then big match with Stevenson on Saturday uh for one of the top uh Mac teams. We're kind of rounding out conference, and uh, we were really happy to pick up that win against Messiah. They gave us a really hard time in the second set, but uh I think we were able to get in the way of some things we knew they really wanted to do. Uh so we we were pumped to see our group finally find some confidence and and consistency.
SPEAKER_05Dan, any truth to the rumor that you intentionally paid someone to crash under their bus on the drive so they would be delayed?
SPEAKER_06It was expensive. It was an expensive thing to call in. But yeah, it wasn't a nice car. It was a Ford Pinto, or I know maybe it was a 95 Chevy Lumina. But we did have someone drive that car right in front of their no. I'm joking. It was crazy. Uh I got texted and he was like, hey, some car just like on the highway, just like pulled in front of our bus. And now they're like kind of like went to the side of the bus and it's just we're on the highway and like we don't know how long it's gonna take. So I just told him whatever you need. But yeah, that was wild. I frankly every was fine, everybody was okay. But uh that was yeah, they basically had a car just get smashed in front of their bus on the highway because they just cut it too close trying to cut in front of the bus. So yeah, it was the rumor is false, though.
SPEAKER_05Okay, the rumor is false.
SPEAKER_06Like like the bus. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I was curious what line that gets reconciled in in the P card, but oh yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um it's hired help. Hired help, yeah. It's usually it's always a a New Jersey account, too. We've got a lot of people to hire for things like that in New Jersey. Outside consultant. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04All right, and um we're gonna talk a little bit. We can talk ABCA or NPI ranking. We went in great detail last week about it. I'm sure you guys will have some comments on Volt or just MPI. Why don't we start with Coach Glenn? What are your thoughts on MPI coming out?
SPEAKER_01So honestly, I mean, I think, you know, over the especially last year where we kind of really first adopted using this, and we see the the race for the top ten, right? I I don't know that you know the five at large have really gone beyond that, you know, in in anybody's calculations. But with seven, I I think it'll be interesting to see which, you know, how far that goes. You know, I think it's probably twelve, in my opinion at best, and we only really had one change in the top ten this past week. So some teams moved around a little bit, but only Loris jumped in and Aurora fell out. So I'll be exciting to see kind of once again, week to week, as as we go.
SPEAKER_04And Doug, do you have anything to add about rankings or NPI or no?
SPEAKER_02I think uh I guess as it relates to the rankings compared to that card that's lost, but they're still a really good team. I don't know if Springfield goes to number one in the coaches. They the race at the top is pretty pretty strong. But uh yeah, I don't know if there's gonna be much change.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and then you know, it's also towards the end of the season, too, and conference tournaments, and obviously we'll know a lot more at the end of that NCAA tournament who's gonna be crowned the champ. But there's definitely a lot of contenders. Does anyone else want to chime in about MBI or rankings before? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I was just uh I did a little look at teams just outside of, you know, there's some teams that are gonna get their automatic bid in this group, but teams that are a little bit outside, you know, that at-large uh area, so team 17 to 35. And uh 12 of those teams have at least two wins against teams ranked above them. And some of those wins are you like there's some teams that are in the 30s that have beat teams in the top five. And could probably map it out better, but I I I would venture to say that this is probably the deepest it's been in terms of the teams ranked low, beating teams ranked high. Uh it's probably more so this year than ever before. And so again, you you you're like, oh, I'm number five in the country, well, and I'm playing number thirty. Well, statistically, those teams have beat each other this year, whereas maybe they hadn't. And so it's not like you get an off day when you're facing number 30, 33, 35 in the country. This just doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm gonna jump off the back of Evan there. We we talk with our guys a lot about uh I tell them these things are all just very probabilistic. And uh the more we improve our habits and our execution, the more we put the probabilities in our favor, and we can lose to absolutely anybody. Uh, I don't know where like uh Rutgers or New Palts are or whatever. I think they're not maybe not quite 30, but like those are two losses that we were like, dang, we really could have won those, but we just weren't better than them that day, full stop. And I I try to explain to the guys, like at the highest level of volleyball, the margins are super razor thin. When you hear young men like you guys are, like, and they're they're because self-confidence is here, then it's there. You know, it's like great, maybe there's like a 60, 70% chance you beat this team, but like, you know, what are you gonna do if it's starting to edge really close and get tough? Like, I think that uh there's a lot more consistency as you get into your mid-20s and your late 20s in indoor volleyball. There's a lot more consistency level you can perform at. And I keep trying to challenge myself to like, how do I get these young men to mature in a way where like you can say, like, we're the third best team in the country by by NPI right now? It's like, well, then would you reliably truly beat every team, say four through 10? Like, I no, it's it's all probabilistic. I'm curious if you guys would agree with that. I try to get them to not think like we're we're this high ranking, it means we're gonna win. It doesn't mean anything, like aside from like you're in this certain stratosphere where there's a bunch of teams that are comparable and we'll see how you play that day. That's all it's ever meant to me. So we try to think of it that way, but how how do you guys think about that or communicate that with your teams when it comes to these rankings?
SPEAKER_03Dan, my guys can't spell probabilistic. I'm worried about serve receive, worried about serving in, you know. Okay, that that's some pretty highbrow Steven stuff. What I will jump in with from an MPI standpoint, and it's one I think that we all kind of have to keep an eye on with how things are shaking out right now. Santa Cruz obviously picked up a big win over Aurora earlier today. They have their Midwest trip where I think they've got four more matches capped off by taking on the stars of Dominican. If they win all four of those, they might have the leeway to drop both Cal Lutheran matches at the end of the season. And as a team that is trying to play their way into the tournament without an at-large bid. You know, we said, oh man, playoff volleyball starts in two weeks. Santa Cruz is in playoff volleyball now. They cannot afford a loss this week. So I think it's really important that we keep an eye on their results because a four-o week might lock up one of those spots, knowing that there are only two competitions left after that are against a top 10 team. So that's a very uh in the weeds MPI situation to keep our eyes on throughout this last week of March.
SPEAKER_04Hey, and Coach Dan, I'm really glad you brought that up because I actually find it fascinating when I go to like NYU, Northwestern, Stanford, Stevens, MIT, Harvard practices. So I'm cut from the cloth, like I think I have my intelligence, but I couldn't get into those schools. But I I think my volleyball IQ is pretty high, and I think my sports IQ is high. So like I find it fascinating to be around those student athletes, and because they're just so ridiculously smart. And I got a little taste of it at Bishops when I was a high school coach there, because those it's just they're very high academic. And I also think it's very fascinating when coaches try to motivate their student athletes when they're at the top of the mountain. And I know you just said, like, hey, look, you know, they can always things can change on any given day, something will happen. But I I really enjoyed my time at Nebraska because I thought John Cook was um, and I'm not saying Nebraska necessarily is like Stanford academically, you know, but like the level of volleyball IQ that John was teaching and coaching at at Nebraska was pretty high. And he was really good at motiv. I think the best thing he did that I saw is motivating his student athletes and keeping them very engaged when they were like their record was really good and they were ranked high. And I just like I think you're in a position at that school, you have this like extremely high academic student athlete, and you guys are also like ranked pretty high. And I think it's interesting how coaches motivate and talk to their kids, and you were kind of like talking about how you do that with your kids, which I think is interesting, but keep them humble.
SPEAKER_06You gotta keep them humble.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for sure. But I just think that and everyone's different, like sometimes maybe at some certain schools and they have really good records, like they might handle it differently, you know. But it sounds like you've got a nice equation and what you're working with your kids, you seem like you've got it kind of somewhat figured it out, which is exciting to see. Does anyone else have anything to chime in before we move on to our next topic?
SPEAKER_01Just one additional piece for you know the MPI piece. We obviously value your top 13 wins. Santa Cruz is the only team in the top 30 that still has not reached 13 wins, even with their win tonight. Uh, tonight was 12 for them. So um, you know, as high as they are ranked and they are 15 currently in this week's NPI ranking. Could see them obviously move quite a bit, like what Rob said, if they can find their way to win and secure up some more points for themselves. Nice.
SPEAKER_04Well, let's move on to the big matches this week. All start on the West Coast. Uh Cal Lutheran's gonna play UC Santa Barbara. They tend to play Northridge and Santa Barbara a lot because those are West Coast teams. They're also going to play Evans Alma Mater. They're gonna play uh Moore Park, uh, which is a community college program, and uh coach Kevin Judd has ties to that program. UC Santa Cruz is on a long uh Chicago trip right now. Like we said, they beat Aurora tonight, which is great for them. And uh they're gonna play North Central, they're gonna play Benedictine, Illinois Institute of Technology, and they're gonna play Dominican. So it'll be a great week for the banana slugs. So, Glenn, what big matches are coming up for you guys or in your region?
SPEAKER_01So I I picked a couple of uh UVC matches this week that I think are big. New Paul's NYU Wednesday night, New Paul's Hobart Saturday, and then uh Mac match uh Messiah Stevenson on Saturday, I think. You know, once again, I think Messiah coming off a loss. It's always interesting to see how teams respond.
SPEAKER_04Awesome. And then, Coach Dan, what's going on with your squad this week or any big regional matches?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, SVU for us on Thursday is big. We're uh to NPI really quick and making Stevens jokes. One of our guys, Ryan Schmidt, is a quantitative finance major. He's a wizard in Excel. Glenn, you might rest easy. If if you guys can win out, even if we win out, playoffs excluded, he's already modeled it out. You'll still stay in second. We can't really chase you down. He's uh literally has all the contingencies and all the different cells talking to the different pages. You know, we're really hopeful to get some big points on SVU, and they're gonna be really, really tough. Stevenson's decently high up. We're hopeful get some points there. That'll that'll be really big for us. And then we've got Vassar uh the next week, which should hopefully be a tough match, and then finishing off uh conference with Kings. So yeah, we've got spreadsheets that tell us how our NPI is gonna go because our guys are uh just enjoying sharpening their Excel skills. Nice.
SPEAKER_04Um, and then what about uh Coach Doug? What's going on with you guys?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Kevin, you already brought up kind of uh Santa Cruz's Gauntlet um with Aurora Ben You, IIT, Us in North Central. I already kind of brought up about the CCIW race. Illinois Wes-In uh plays both Loris and North Central this week. So I think that will be a um big test for Illinois Wes-In and uh as all those teams are kind of competing for that top one and two spot. Um I think that's gonna be a good week for Illinois Wes-In to uh test wise.
SPEAKER_04All right, and Coach Evan.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, uh Dan obviously talked about his match with Southern Virginia, but they also have Kane and Rutgers Newark as well coming up. Uh and so it's just a huge week for Southern Virginia, a lot of a lot of quality opponents. Um I'm not allowed to talk about the UVC anymore, per Rob's request. Uh so now I'm an MCVL guy, and that's just where I'm gonna stay. Uh Baldw Wallace plays Wittenberg, and then Wabash plays Trine. Uh, and so I'm just gonna try to work in Wabash pretty much every week for the rest of the season, uh, because I'm all about them. So really interesting MCVL matches because it seems like who's ever gonna win that conference or host it is pretty pretty up in the air with all them kind of beating up on each other, so looking forward to that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and it looks like Springfield played tonight and they played at Elms and they won 3-0. Guys, is it common for teens to play on Monday nights? Is it just it's spring break for some of these coaches? And these are like, look, if you're gonna make a long trip, then make the most of it. Any comment?
SPEAKER_03Elms and Springfield, not really a long trip. Uh battle of middle street. They're about three minutes apart.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but tonight Aurora played Santa Cruz. I mean, my point is, is does Monday matches happen that much or not? No, they're pretty rare.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Okay. And then why don't we move on to Coach Rob? What do you have for us?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Evan raised that point about the UVC. Uh, my wife and I are doing some spring cleaning. I saw a UVC player of the year shirt in uh Salvation Army. So I think even guys are embarrassed to say they played in the UVC at this point with Al Porta. No, I'm kidding. That's not true. Um, MEVC first place on the line. We got Nichols and Endicott this week. We've mentioned MCVL or MCBL already, uh, Baldwin versus Witt. This is almost uh a playoff elimination match for Baldwin. They're gonna win this to him, as my assistant, former MCVL champ, Nick Woolley likes to say, any given weekend in the MCVL, doesn't matter who, doesn't matter where. They're all driving across the flyover states playing volleyball, so it's a big one. And another one, this could end up being for uh for a fifth place versus a fourth place. So it could be a playoff preview. We have St. John Fisher versus Balser in UVC play. I think it's always interesting when you see a late season conference match that becomes a potential postseason matchup. Are you showing all your cards? Are you doing what you need to? Are you hiding guys? Are you hiding things? But I think regardless, that that could be a rematch we see in a few weeks in the UVC quarterfinals as a four-five matchup.
SPEAKER_04Awesome. And now we go on to our questions from the fans. I actually thought this one was interesting because I think it does pertain to Division One, Division II, Community College in AIA, and Division III. Obviously, we'll look into the lens of the Division III and anyone can chime in who wants to answer. It's kind of like a four-point four-part question. So here we go. How are programs handling athletes entering the transfer portal? Is the athlete typically removed from the team if they enter the portal? Do most uh do most enter the portal at the end of the season? Do programs let athletes come back to the squad if they do not get picked up in the transfer portal? So a lot to unpack. Obviously, I think every program probably handles it differently. I think some programs maybe have a higher transfer rate than others. So if anyone wants to chime in on that slew of questions, you're welcome to.
SPEAKER_06We don't have a lot of transferring at Stevens. I will just say I've seen we've picked up a few. Some circumstances around people graduating and getting into the portal is just not very contentious, and coaches are cool with it. We might lose Esteban Schmidt this year to graduation, and like he might even go like it's like NYU or Georgia Tech. And it's just kind of like cool, like we we wish you the best. Like it's super, we're super chill, we're super cool about it. From a D3 perspective, at least for us, it's kind of like if this is the best thing for you in academics, like that's great. We don't have many people who are just like, we don't like you, we don't like it here. Like it we don't have like contentious situations, I can't really speak to it. But I do know where people have come from and people we've spoken to. Sometimes it's above board and treated actually like very it's very civil. It's it's totally fine. Um, I don't know if that's always the case though.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I I uh you know, as someone who deals with recruiting a lot, I have a sneaking s suspicion the person who wrote me this wants to transfer. So some advice I would give is like coaches talk. Like, I would also I don't think it's in the best interest for a parent or a student athlete to go to their former high school coach, their former club coach. I refuse to do it. If someone calls me randomly, I go, like, it's all due respect, young man. I don't know who you are. That's not what I do. Because you gotta remember, these coaches are people, and these coaches actually, when we go to like nationals, like they have like dinners together, like they hang out. Like that's the pond you swim in. And so for me, I think the best thing, and it's a life skill that you can learn, just go talk to your coach. And as hard as that might be, talk to your coach and say, hey, this is what I'm thinking. And like, sure, do I think it's fair? I've seen athletes say, like, looks like I'm not playing this year that much. Do you mind redshirting me? I'm going to transfer. I would love to still continue to go here academically and practice with the squad and be a good culture guy, but you have to read the room. Like, maybe your coach wouldn't like that, you know? I don't know. There's plenty of programs I've talked to at the division one level that they're like, we're very transparent. We don't want kids in our program that don't want to be here. If they want to enter the portal, we'll let them enter the portal as often as they want. Um, but I do think if it's a little different, maybe guys at the division one level because they're they are so limited on rosters. So I think they could be like spots they could be like, all right, you don't want to be here, then leave. You know, we can go find another D1 athlete. So I think these are really good questions, but I I think I would not cut corners. I would not try to pull a fast one. I would not try to like trick your coach and like have him find out or her find out later. I would be very open and uh, you know, also lastly, I'm sure these guys can chime in. Student athletes and parents don't understand how many kids enter the portal and it does not work. And they enter and they're like, Well, I just kind of broke up with my program in university, and a lot of kids end up going another route that they had no idea that that's what's gonna happen. I think a lot of kids enter the portal and a ton of kids, and you guys might talk about that because you have access to that portal. I don't. Um, but does anyone else want to chime in on that?
SPEAKER_05Uh yeah, I think it's interesting this year that uh Division III athletes now have to go into the portal if they want to transfer. That previously was not a rule. Uh, and so sometimes you would see a D3 guy at up at a different place that you didn't know, it was kind of a surprise. And now that's not really possible, is that all those guys will be going, you'll be able to see them. Um, I don't know how I feel about it one way or the other, but it's just the reality of what's going to happen. So it'll be interesting to see how many more names you might see in there. Uh and and they're right, there's no guarantee, Kevin, that you said that that person actually transfers, right? And so if that if that player is not transparent with their coach and they don't have an understanding, if you don't get picked up by this place that you thought you were gonna go, did you burn the bridge of the institution that you were currently at? And now your teammates or your coach is like, hey man, I'm sorry, like it's not gonna happen for you here anymore. This was I don't like how you handle the situation. And so yeah, it's a very interesting uh team dynamic.
SPEAKER_04It's interesting too, because I would say, I mean, I hear about it and unfortunately deal with it a lot. I don't know, but it is what it is. I deal with it, and 95% of the time the coaches call each other. They go, hey, what happened with student X? And I just don't think the parents and kids realize that. And it's like the coaches are gonna talk, they're friends, and then the coaches are professional about the kids. There's not a lot of like, you know, negative talk about like they they remain professional, but and then I was talking, I was out to dinner recently with an NPSF coach, and the coach was like, You gotta get a hold of this article, it's an NCAA article, it gives like the numbers of like how a lot of kids that enter the portal, it doesn't work, you know. So I think that that's just something for people to keep in mind, but yeah, I mean, transferring is part of the game, and I understand sometimes it works for the better. So, you know, not knocking transferring, but it is a transfer time of the year, and people are starting to think about it. So I would definitely not make impulsive decisions and definitely talk to your coaches about it. But anyone else have anything else to add?
SPEAKER_06I just want to underscore what what KP said. Just talk to your coaches, be open. We're out, we're pretty understanding, pretty cool people. Like just be very real about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And it's very much like why we do, right? Coach Dan talked about, you know, wanting to turn young men into great adults, right? And and that's part of it. You know, I I will say this do your research before that's the case too, right? Communicate it, but the grass isn't always greener, right? With the reasons of why, I I think most of us as coaches would love to have those conversations to why you're leaving, right? Like, sure, you know, I I I do think too, like at at Juniata, for instance, you know, like I could take our women's volleyball program, right? Like there's there's girls on that team that are at the bottom of their roster that would start for 90% of the other teams in the country, right? So like if their whole experience is going to be defined by playing, right, and it's not going to happen for them at Juniata, sure. Like I can understand doing it, but I I still think it goes back to communicating, you know, and and obviously to put a put a not great twist on on the portal to there are coaches out there that are 100% back channeling, like you talked about, Kevin, and you mentioned like not wanting to touch some of that stuff. And and I can very much appreciate it because I do believe that there are coaches working through club programs and things like that to try to put kids on radars. And, you know, I I really need a left next year. And I think most of it speaks to coaches, you know, at mostly higher levels than D3, feeling like they have to win right now. Um, you know, and I still think the best way to go about it is communicate and find the right fit for you. So I think it's why the recruiting process for all of these kids is so important. Figure out your why, what you want, what you're looking for. Visit the big school, the small school, the urban school, the rural school, so that you know, you've done your homework on when you make the decision the first time. It's crazy to me watching even NCAA basketball tournament on TV, and one of the guys they were talking about isn't his fourth school in in four years. Um, you know, and I don't think that's good for anybody. Um, you know, so in some cases, maybe it is. Maybe kids are chasing money and and that'll change their lives for the better. But do your homework on the front end. You have so much time, especially now with processes starting earlier as you know, sophomores in high school, go visit all those places that you're you're thinking about and communicate with the the coaches up front on what you want out of that process. And let's hope we can get it right the first time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and then you know, a really high-level Division I coach one time told me and it spoke volumes, he's like, you know, I don't really want someone's damaged goods. And I was like, no. Alright, you know, like, but those are the things these coaches because also too, when kids contact me and I listen to them for about literally 20 seconds and I go like, okay, yep. See ya. You know, like I don't I don't really deal with transfers. They always think they can go from university that's doing okay, that's maybe like four and twenty, and they think that they could go play at like Long Beach, Hawaii, you know, Stanford. It's like that's probably not gonna happen. So, but anyways, thank you for that question. So we'll go around real quick and say our goodbyes. Coach Doug, what do you have for us before we sign off?
SPEAKER_02Thanks for another great week, KP. Dan, good seeing you. I haven't seen you in a while. See you soon.
SPEAKER_03And Coach Rob. Everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time, but some legs are more talented than others. Just remember that, kids.
SPEAKER_04Down advice. Nice job, Coach. Coach Dan, what do you have for us?
SPEAKER_06Just thank you for having me. Thank you for for doing this service for the volleyball community. I just want to bring it back to that bit community. I think we should all be grateful for all the wonderful people we've met and we've known for decades, like Doug for me at least. And uh just know that it's a small world and be grateful that pulls us all together around some common values in a sport that we love.
SPEAKER_05Yes, get well said. Coach Evan. Rob, that was nonsense. That doesn't, it doesn't it's not good advice, Kevin. It doesn't mean anything.
SPEAKER_03Let me give you a better one. This is from uh the great Jim Harbaugh. They say everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time. Those guys are so good, they jump in both legs at the same time. Let's go play football.
SPEAKER_05All right, boy, you know it's it's or we're a little bit later than our scheduled time because Rob is starting to just just go road.
SPEAKER_04What do you have for us?
SPEAKER_01KP, thanks for having me. Quick shout out. Um, I just want to give a quick shout out to St. Vincent Men's Volleyball. I win in 13 games in a row, haven't lost since January 17th. Uh leading the pack. Take it, take a look at their SOS there.
SPEAKER_04Good for them. Well, all right. We will not be back next week, unfortunately. Sorry, I'm traveling and we'll be at a Bruins game, but I'm gonna hang out with Evan midweek next week. That'll be cool in Boston. So, but we'll be back the following Monday. So thanks so much, guys. Good luck for your uh upcoming matches and thanks for joining.