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Advocating for Your Child: Empowering Families to Create Their Own "Normal" with Wendy Andersen
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In this episode, I chat with Wendy Andersen, a passionate advocate for special needs families. Wendy, a mother of three, shares her journey that began with her son's rare diagnosis at six months old and how it shaped her life into one of resilience, advocacy, and redefining what "normal" means for her family.
Key Takeaways:
1. Embracing Unique Challenges: Wendy talks about the importance of embracing your unique journey as a special needs parent and how she finds strength in doing the best she can for her children every day.
2. Redefining Normal: Wendy shares her family's story of normalizing their life, from managing her son Dexter's 36 daily medications to creating a new normal that fits their life, not society's expectations.
3. Becoming an Advocate: Wendy dives into how she became an unexpected advocate, from starting a special needs bowling team to founding Dexter's Dream Foundation, and how parents can start advocating for their children in big and small ways.
4. The Power of Storytelling: Wendy emphasizes the importance of sharing your story with those who have the power to make changes, including state directors and legislators, to ensure your child's needs are met.
5. Tips for Advocacy: Wendy provides practical advice on how to get involved in advocacy, whether it's through small acts like sending an email or larger efforts like joining state councils or attending conferences.
Quote of the Episode: "The only normal in our house is a setting on the washing machine. But even then, what is 'normal'? Our normal is unique to us, and that’s okay." - Wendy Andersen
Actionable Steps:
- Reflect on what "normal" looks like for your family and embrace it.
- Start small with advocacy—whether it's sending an email to your child’s school or joining a PTA meeting to ensure special education needs are considered.
- Research state and federal opportunities to get involved in advocacy efforts that align with your child's needs.
- Share your story with decision-makers to create change and raise awareness.
Closing Remarks: Live with Intention - Embrace the Journey.
Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Special Needs Moms Circle of Strength.
Wendy’s bio: Wendy Andersen is a wife and a mom who never meant to become a Force-to-Be-Reckoned-With. In 2009 a rare diagnosis for her 6-month-old son turned her normal life upside down in just 36 hours. Today, Wendy’s mission is to advocate and support families of children who live outside the “box of normal”. As a mother of three children (two of which have disabilities/special needs), Wendy passionately advocates for families by speaking truth to power.
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And I use this example all the time because you're like, what? There's a family that lives close to where we do. Their child is in a wheelchair. The wheelchair was approved, but not the wheels.
Excuse me.
Right. Makes no sense. Right. I'm like, so what, you're just supposed to put the chair in the middle of the living room. Right.
Wow.
To go share that story with the director of Medicaid, who is a human too. Right.
She has children. Like it makes no sense.
But so many times, like we just battle the insurance company. But if you take it to somebody who can actually help with it, cause this child's on a waiver, like things get to moving.
Welcome to Special Needs Mom's Circle of Strength. I am excited to introduce you to our guest for today. We have Wendy Andersen with us today. Wendy is a wife and a mom who never meant to be a force to be reckoned with. In 2009, a rare diagnosis for her six-month-old son turned her normal life upside down in just 36 hours. Today, Wendy's mission is to advocate and support families of children with special needs to live outside the box of normal. As a mom of three children, two of which have special needs/ disabilities, Wendy passionately advocates for families by speaking truth to power.
Welcome, Wendy.
Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here with you.
Thank you. Awesome, awesome. So today we are going to start, as I always start with the question, what is one unique thing about you?
Oh, that's a great question. I love that. One unique thing about me is, I think we're all out here just doing the best that we can. And it's something that I really embrace.
I’m genuinely out here just doing the best things that I can do. Not that anyone's out there doing not good things, but to fully embrace that.
And I think that's the key to fully embrace it because we can get caught up in the, well, why me and woe is me and this should not be happening to me. So I love the fact that you're embracing it, that you're rolling with it, you're going for it, you're doing it, and you're doing it with enthusiasm and compassion.
Yes. Thank you. Yes, I am. Yes.
Yes. Yes. So tell us a little bit about your special mom's journey.
You briefly heard where it all started and to believe that it was 15 years ago, I'm like, how time does fly.
Our first born son Dexter, when he was six months old, started having what we learned were infantile spasms. So the most debilitating type of seizures, which then in a matter of 36 hours, a lot of tests, a hospital room that simulated something like Grey's anatomy, people running in and out. We found out that he had a rare genetic condition called tuberous sclerosis (TS).
So he had, at that time we found out he had non-cancerous tumors in his brain and his heart. As he's grown, they've shrunk out of his heart. He still has them in his brain. And so, we went home with what we thought we had just a healthy child and learned that he actually had some really complicated medical needs at that time. And so waiting for the medicine to come home. Just a couple of years later, we found out he had a Sega,
Which was a fast-growing tumor inside his brain. So our choices were to do a medicine, which was basically like daily chemotherapy to shrink it or to do brain surgery. We chose to do the medicine because if they didn't get a hundred percent of the tuber then he was back on the medicine. So thankfully for twelve years now, he's kept out of brain surgery. And then when he was five he was diagnosed with autism. So TS is the leading genetic known cause for autism. So it wasn't necessarily a surprise diagnosis for us at that point.
And then there’s little things along the way. Our
daughter Phoebe is 10. She was a two-month preemie. And so, growing along with that, but then right as the pandemic was hitting, she was just struggling with school and like her personality was changing a lot. And so long story short with that, we discovered that she has severe dyslexia. And so, you know, she couldn't actually read and the mental health toll that that takes on you, even at such a young age. I mean, we're grateful that we were able to figure this out when she was a first grader, but that was scary. Learning to go through all of that, pandemic hits, my son's technically immune compromised. And so homeschooling all three children. We do have a third Brexley, who is eight now. And as my children likes to say, she doesn't have any diagnosis as yet. So we had just kind of normalized that, you know what? We get to learn things about ourselves and all it is, is its knowledge and power so that we know how to help each other through it all.
I love that. And just normalizing it within your family. So yeah, this is, this is who we are. This is how we operate. This is what we do. And I think that's, so beautiful that you've been able to do that. I can only imagine that you must have been hit like a ton of bricks dealing with your oldest son, Dexter, and all of that diagnosis. I can't imagine dealing with, he's got nine tumors on his brain. Like somebody help me here. And then to find out that your middle child, your daughter is dyslexic. And how did that feel when you figured that out?
You know, it was, it was ton of bricks again. It was also a relief that we knew what was going on, but we didn't know anything about dyslexia. And so, and then to have mixed dyslexia, so it's the combination of all of them together. It's so much more than just letters and numbers backwards. And so, it's processing speed. And so again, you know, there was a moment where I was like, okay, we didn't even know what tuberous sclerosis was. So what did we do? We went out and we researched the heck out of it. We found the best people to help us support us as well as him. And so it really like, we went back into that mode. Like we've got to research it. There's an amazing organization that we live in Iowa, the Iowa decoding dyslexia. There happened to be a conference coming up. I went there and I just asked everybody humanly possible. I could, I asked them questions. And so again, it was like diving back into that. You know, it's kind of like with each diagnosis, it was like, we had to dive back into things deeper and deeper, and try to understand it and find someone who could help us, and more importantly, help her understand. And, and we have found a great team and support for her, and now she's actually reading above grade level. And so, yeah, yeah. But it, you know, it's scary. It really is.
Yeah, for sure. Well, thank you so much for sharing about your journey, which I can appreciate is not an easy journey day in, day out. So, kudos to you. And amidst all of everything that you have to do to find the time to actually do all the research, but I think as moms, I'm sure dads too, you're driven because you want answers. You want to be able to provide the best you can for your child. So even though when you look back and you think, how did I find time to do that? In the moment, you just do it, right? You get that mama bear thing on and away you go, right?
Absolutely. Yes. You just do it.
All right. So Wendy, share with us, as many of us, you've had to redefine what normal is, which begs the question, what is normal? What really is normal? And what is it like for you?
Yeah, we joke when we're like, the only normal in our house is a setting on the washing machine.
And even then, like, what is the normal setting on the washing machine? What does that really mean? So, yeah, it was, you know, I remember a time it was in those 36 hours where my husband and I, we shut down our computers, we shut down our phones and we said we have a decision to make. We can lay down and stay down. We can rise up and love him, and do everything that we need to do to help support him, because this is our life. You know, and it was a choice that we made right then. And obviously we were like, we're going to do everything humanly possible. So, you know, our lives look much different than other people, you know, like, and I joke because I'm like, in all reality, are all of our lives completely different? So, like, who is the normal family? What is the normal family? No one can define this. And so that's why I'm like, my family is normal. Your family is normal. We're normal for what we are. So, my son takes 36 pills a day and we taught him to take pills at four years old.
It was, that's just what it is. So guess what? His sisters learned to take pills at four years old also because it just made life easier. Or, you know, knock on everything, knock on wood, like, he hasn't had a seizure, but like his sisters have seen the paramedics come into our house and take him away.
Yeah.
You know, they've seen different things. And so our normal is we have lots of therapy appointments and they might be doing their school work in the lobby of the therapy office or different things, you know. Where his doctors are in Cincinnati, and so we road trip there every year and we just make like a vacation out of it. And we know that on Wednesday, that's what you know, he's going to the doctors. And so just really trying to basically normalize what our life is like. Yeah, it looks very different than many of their friends or other family members. And that's OK, because we get to experience things differently that maybe they do. And so we just try to, you know, have that gratitude for everything that we get to experience in our lives and try not to compare to others.
Love that. Love that you've said we don't compare to others because I think that's so key, because we look at other people and we think, oh, gosh, they've got it so much easier. And yet I don't know if you've experienced the same Wendy, but I know I've certainly experienced where people have said, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you show up every day with a smile on your face. I don't know how you cope with all the things that are thrown at you. But like we said earlier, you just have to do it because nobody else is doing it for us. Right. So just normalizing that this is our life, this is how we do things. I remember, I'm just going back to when my oldest, who is now 22, which is hard to believe, she was given a year prognosis. So they, the doctors, expected her to be passed away by the time she was a year old. And I remember thinking, OK, we're going to make this the best year ever. And so we invested, we did everything we could to make sure that she had every exposure and experience to whatever little infants would have. And I remember if we ever went anywhere, I would always apologize. I'm sorry, no, it looks like we're moving in, but we're not, because I had to bring all this stuff. Right. She's G-tube-fed, she's in a wheelchair, we need the diapers, we need the toys, we need the visuals. Right. And so that was one of the things that I used to say. Promise we're not staying for the weekend, we're just here for a visit, just for the afternoon.
Just for a couple hours.
But that was our normal. That was our normal.
Right. Right. Yeah. And it's really, you know, when we start to compare each other now, I am by far no means perfect, like there has been the days of comparison where I'm like, wouldn't it be great to do whatever without whatever. Right. So it's there. But it's when we get into that comparison that like, it really is the thief of joy.
It makes me sad. Like my son turned 15 and those that he was in school with, like they're all getting their learners permits to drive.
That's not my world. And there is a moment where I'm sad and I allow it. Like it's OK to be sad, you know, and then, is when I'm ready, I move into gratitude because I'm getting to experience life in such a different way.
Mm hmm. That's amazing. Amazing. I had a guest a couple of weeks ago who talked about the den of despair. And similar to you had to make a decision. Do I get up and support my child or do I just lay in this den of despair? And so just giving yourself permission to be there. Well, let's not stay there. Let's not hang out there for too long. Right. It's OK to feel the emotions. That's natural. We're created with emotions that need to be expressed. Now, they can be expressed healthily or unhealthily. And so we have a choice, right? We have a choice to express them, to feel them, yeah to embrace by it, and then, like, as you say, I love how you said. And then let's just step into gratitude. Yeah.
Yeah, because it's like the opposite of it is really dark.
Yeah.
And it's not like that's not how I want to live. This life that I've been given is on that that dark side.
The other thing I do, too, is I give myself a time limit. OK, like it's like, you know what? You I always like I tell myself, like you can sit in this. You can sit in the dirty diaper for as long as you want. But come to stay at 2 p.m., you're done.
So, you know, I can make, I make a choice to come out of it earlier or when to say at 2 p.m. comes like I shift. So, because I want a deadline so that I don't just stay there.
Love that. So for our audience, I think that's a great tip. And that's one I'll be using with my clients, my coaching clients. Let's just give it a time limit because sometimes um, I'm just thinking back to a time with my husband when we were first married. And you know how when you're trying to kind of jive together and understand each other and I get frustrated and I would want to get, have a tantrum. And he would be like, no, you don't need to go there. You know, I just need my five minutes. I don’t need to spend all day, but just give me my five minutes.
Yeah.
But I love that. Yeah. Give yourself a time limit. Give yourself a time limit. Grieve what you need to grieve. Deal with what you need to deal with. But don't stay there. Get out of it when your time is up. Move on. Find that piece of gratitude. Because you know what? We all have it. We all have it. I'm grateful that my child is still here. She's now 22, after we were told we'd have one year with her. So every day for us is a gift. And so that's something I can be grateful for every single day.
I have goosebumps all over, full body goosebumps all over.
So Wendy, tell me, share some tips on how to be an advocate. I know this is something that you'd mentioned with the intro there, with your bio that you didn't plan on becoming a forced to be reckoned with. But here you are.
Yeah, yeah. And it really, like it really started with things where I was like, hmm. Like I can go out and try to find somebody or something for this challenge and I'd start looking and it wasn't there, or I could create it.
Something as simple as we're driving my son to go to a special needs bowling league. And I said to my husband, we have passed three bowling alleys, including one in the town closest to us. Like, why don't we just start a bowling team?
Right. And so that was the that was the start of our Dexter's Dream Foundation, our nonprofit.
I'm not saying everybody needs to start a nonprofit or anything like that. That was the spark of it is like, I can go find things and sometimes there are things out there or I can just create it.
But then even more so like with the school advocacy, and I will say advocacy, it can be a lot, like it can be a lot of energy. And so doing what feels best for you, whether it's a simple email to the school. So many times, I think we as parents like hold back what we're really thinking.
Mm hmm.
And so it's like, could you send an email to the school or, you know, I got started in the PTA.
And I was like, oh, well, we're doing this for all the other teachers, have you thought of the special education teachers? Like they need books in their classrooms, too. That was a small thing that made a bigger impact with that. So even with our daughters, like, again, we live in a town of a thousand people, so it's a small town, there was a problem with the sidewalk. And I was like, well, you know, like, we can sit here and complain about this together or I can take you to the city hall and you can talk to them about it and just share it with why you think this is unsafe. And so it can be little things. It can be sending an email to your senator, your legislator, your representative or a phone call.
I myself have gotten involved in a lot of committees. So Iowa, we have a governor's council on autism, special education advisory panel is a different one or disability rights Iowa. So I have gotten myself on boards and on different committees. And one of the things that
just dawned on me a couple of weeks ago is I try to get myself into rooms where I can have conversations.
So, I was at a conference maybe about a month ago and I said to my husband, where else can I go, that I had a conversation with the state director of special education conversation with the state director of voc rehab and a conversation with the director of Medicaid for the state. I'm like, that was a conference that I got into. And in each of those rooms, I had the conversations. I had to be brave and be like, hey, I want to talk to you about this. And so because if we don't share our stories, the people who are making decisions, they just don't know. Right.
And I use this example all the time because you're like, what? There's a family that lives close to where we do. Their child is in a wheelchair. The wheelchair was approved, but not the wheels.
Excuse me.
Right. Makes no sense. Right. I'm like, so what, you're just supposed to put the chair in the middle of the living room. Right.
Wow.
To go share that story with the director of Medicaid, who is a human too. Right.
She has children. Like it makes no sense.
But so many times, like we just battle the insurance company. But if you take it to somebody who can actually help with it, cause this child's on a waiver, like things get to moving.
We've been struggling with voc rehab. I talked to the director of voc rehab and he's like, oh, I actually know who you are. And I've heard your story. I'm like, okay. The reason he had heard my story is because I kept talking to so many people, like what is happening right now is not right.
It's not providing the services that my son is entitled to. And I'm going to talk to somebody until I find somebody who could actually do something about it.
Yes. Wendy go.
Yes.
So it's like, there's this continuum of advocacy, right? Like it can be little tiny things, if that's where your energy is right now, to getting together on a larger scale. I've gone to Washington DC to advocate for tuberous sclerosis funding. So it's really like anywhere in between what you're able to do and just know that everything matters.
So how does a person look for advocacy opportunities, Wendy?
Mm hmm. Yeah. So, there is most States every state that I've talked to, they have like governor's committees or special education advisory panels, those are federally regulated. So a lot of times it's just doing a Google search. If you want to go like on the state or the federal level there
are organizations such as like the Iowa has the developmental disabilities council. Each state has one of those. Parent training institutes. Each state has one of those. Those are federally funded things. And then just looking around same thing with like disability rights. And it's really finding what you're passionate about and where you want to be involved and then going after those things. And even if it, like I said, like going to a PTA meeting and to be an advocate for the special education students. I have another mom who her way of advocating is she's working with their church and to have a sensory room. And so it's like finding what you're passionate about. And then how can you help make an impact in that area?
Yeah. I'm also seeing that it's potentially what need your child has that you would like to see fulfilled. So for us, yeah, for us, our oldest has cerebral palsy, is in a wheelchair, uses a communication device and is G-tube fed, So is dependent for all care. And I live in Canada, and I was actually raised in England. So going to camps wasn't something that I did growing up. We didn't really have a lot of camps when I was growing up. Plus, I came from a poor family. So there wasn't really the money and there was five of us. So we just kind of entertained each other. But going back to camps, when I moved to North America, I was like, oh, looks like a lot of kids go to camp. And Melody-Anne, and I just thought, why can't she have a camp experience? And so one of the things we did, we got invited to a camp in Idaho. So we drove the two days from where we live in Canada, cross the border to go to camp in Idaho. And it was an amazing experience for kids using communication devices. And so, I was there with my pen and paper took copious notes, like tons of notes. Cause I'm thinking we need to have something like this where I live in Alberta. So, so we came back and long story short, we actually worked with the director of the camp in Idaho and we started a camp here in, uh, in Alberta, Canada. And so we're actually doing our ninth camp this year in September. And all because I wanted my kid to have a camp experience like regular kids. And so it's been an amazing experience. And as you said, it takes a lot of energy, but I think when you're fueled by passion, there's nothing we can't do as mamas.
Right.
Just saying, just saying.
Absolutely agree. Yes. Yes.
That's so awesome. That's so exciting for you. A camp is something that I've thought about and I was like, I cannot take that on. But I'm so excited that you are. That's awesome.
All right. It can be done. And I do have to say Wendy, that this was not a solo thing. This was in collaboration. And the thing is, I just want to say to our audience, when that passion is within you and when the idea is presented to you, the resources will come. But when Scott and I went down to Idaho and we thought, you know what? We need to have something like this. And as you said earlier, talking to people. So we had a conversation with Anne, who was the director who put us, um, in touch with Jean, who was helping her. Jean knew somebody in Alberta at the university of Alberta. So it was just like all of this connection stuff, people just come across your path. Right. And so sometimes you just have to take that step of faith. And what I would say is collaborate as much as you can, because it is a lot of work for one person. And so now, I just sit on the committee. Yay.
So true. The money comes, the people come, you put the vision out there and you just start talking to people.
Yeah, exactly. So be brave mamas out there. Be brave.
Yes. Yes.
All right, Wendy, your life is busy and I believe that's probably an understatement. Have you encountered any challenges in advocating for your own needs and your own self-care? And if so, how do you address them?
Yeah, it’s one of those things where, you know, I get tired. I get very tired, and there are nights where I'm like, mom's going to bed.
So I do every Sunday evening is my night. The family, everybody knows. So I try to pre-plan things also. Right. So when it's a bedtime and even before, I just do whatever I want, whether that's working on something, I try not to work on things. So it's taking a bath, watching a movie, doing whatever I want. And so, I try to set myself up with opportunities ahead of time to keep me
From burning out. But even, it was about, it was probably about three or four weeks ago. I was like, I can't do any more. And I'm not going to do any advocating for like the next two weeks. Which, which for me is it's a challenge and it's a lot. But I was just like, I'm full. And so, yeah. And so for me, just to be able to say, like, I hear you, I'll get back to you in a week or so, is what I happen to do.
My husband is extremely supportive of the advocacy efforts and all that I do. And he, that's one of the things where we process life differently. Right. And so we've really worked on that together. And he just knows there are just times where I need more time. And so he has to step in a little bit of a different way. And so we work really well like that, but it is hard and it is challenging. And I have to take the ownership of it. Right. Can't expect anybody else to be like, Wendy you need a break? Because my answer is like, no, I'm fine. So taking ownership and saying like, I'm at a point where I have to do something different for a while.
Yeah. And I really appreciate Wendy, that you've recognized when you're at your limit and so you've set boundaries for that. And you have a process where you ask your husband to step up because right now I'm just over my limit and I love that you've been able to say, no, kindly, I'll get back to you. So you're not saying no, shut the door to these advocacy opportunities. It's like, I just, I'll get back to you in a week or two and just creating those boundaries so that you're taking care of yourself. Love that. Love that. Awesome.
It's challenging. It's how I'll be the first one to say it's really hard. And that's what helps me be successful and you be successful.
Right. Right. And even though it's hard, the more we do it, the better we get at it. I'm not saying it gets easier, but the better we get at it where there's not so much guilt or that, Oh, I'm letting somebody down, because I think that's part of it, I'm letting somebody down or I'm missing an opportunity. We are one person and I often have said this to myself, Val you are one person, you can't do everything. And so just being okay with letting something slide for a time or say no altogether, like - that's the other thing that I like to sort of encourage my clients with, does it align with your values? Is this part of what you're wanting to do? Is it going to assist with moving you forward towards your end goal? And just sitting and reflecting in that, sometimes that gives us the answer as to whether we are going to say yes, or whether we're going to say not just yet, or whether we're going to say no.
I love that. Yes, absolutely. Cause it's choices that we make on a daily basis and on like a moment by moment basis.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So Wendy, where can our audience go to find out a little bit more about you? Yeah.
So of course, you know, we're on Facebook. It's redefined normal with Wendy Andersen or Instagram. And my website is Wendy Andersen presents and Anderson is with an E, not an O. So we post the blogs up there and up to date information that we have going on. So I would love it. Where our website is close to being revamped. So it'll be a new look here pretty soon.
Yeah. Exciting, exciting. So Wendy, before we conclude our conversation, which has been amazing. Thank you so much. I'd love to hear some words of encouragement from you to other moms and parents who are raising kids with special needs.
Yeah. I want everybody to know that you're doing a great job. And so release the judgment, allow yourself some gratitude and your one human being out here making the best decisions you can at the moment. And you're doing a great job. And so hopefully you can just relax and move into that in a greater way.
Yeah. Amazing. So, I hope our audience heard that just relax into, you're doing a great job and accepting that. I know we can be very critical of ourselves as moms, feeling like we could be doing better and like we talked about earlier, that comparison game, but you've been given the journey you've been given. It's a unique journey and you've been given that journey because you're the best person to do that, and to do that work. So embrace it and enjoy it. Easy to say there's some days where it's like, really, but overall, overall, and I'm just pausing here for a second, cause I'm just thinking how much have I learned being a mom of kids with special needs?
How much have I grown as a person? Right. And I would never have had this opportunity. The people that I've met, the work that I'm doing now, I would never be doing this, if I have a child with special needs. Well, I have two, actually both of my children have special needs, but yeah, so this has been, I have to say it's been an amazing journey. And I think just taking time to reflect on that ladies and gentlemen, if we have some dads listening, just reflecting on the gift that you've been given.
Absolutely.
All right. Well, Wendy, thanks again. It has been amazing. Thank you so much. And I love your tenacity and your ability to just keep going with this advocacy. Many people will be inspired, I'm sure, with your energy and your passion, what it is that you do. So thank you so much for coming and sharing with us today.
Oh, you're welcome. Thank you so much for having me on. It was so much fun. I love this.
Amazing. So audience, I just want to remind you to Live with Intention and Embrace the Journey.
Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Special Needs Moms Circle of Strength.