Debating the Greatest Rappers and Their Influence

What if your passion for hip-hop could transform into an enlightening journey through the legends and underappreciated talents of the genre? This week, we bring you an episode packed with fervor and deep knowledge, featuring Trevor, Ron Brown's baby brother, and a communications graduate from the College of New York. Join us as we recount our podcasting origin story, inspired by Nore's  "Drink Champs," and delve into our Top 5 Dead or Alive rappers list, sparking a spirited debate about the best in the game. With legends like Pac, Nas, Tragedy Khadafi, Saigon, and Papoose on the table, you're in for an engaging discussion that honors the essence of hip-hop.

Ever wondered what makes artists like Saigon and MF Doom stand out in the crowded hip-hop scene? Listen as we dive into the intricate artistry and unique styles of these underappreciated talents. From Saigon's impactful tracks like "Letter P" and his collaborations with Just Blaze to MF Doom's unparalleled lyricism, our conversation highlights why these artists deserve more recognition. We also pay tribute to the poetic intellect of Tupac and Nas, the gritty realism of Tragedy Khadafi, and the lyrical prowess of Papoose, showcasing their significant contributions to hip-hop's rich tapestry of street knowledge and intellectual commentary.

As we continue our journey through hip-hop history, we pay homage to the god-like status of icons like Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Biggie, Nas, and Jay-Z. Reflect on their unique qualities and lasting impact on the culture, and imagine hypothetical scenarios had Tupac and Biggie lived longer. The memorable discussion includes the complexities of historical rap beefs, Jay-Z's rise to fame, and Mase's significant influence on Harlem's rap scene. We cap off the episode by debating our top five hip-hop artists and set the stage for next week's discussion, promising more vibrant conversations to come. Don't miss out on this heartfelt exploration of hip-hop's past, present, and future.

Chapters

• 0:00 Hip-Hop Music News Discussion
• 7:27 Exploring Rap Legends and Their Catalogs
• 16:41 Hip Hop Legends and Impact
• 23:18 Reflections on Hip-Hop Legends
• 33:13 Top Five Hip-Hop Artists
• 39:55 Pioneers of Hip-Hop
• 50:51 Hip Hop Influence and Impact
• 1:02:15 Debating the Top Five Rappers
• 1:14:45 Set to Continue Next Week

Transcript

Hip-Hop Music News Discussion

Speaker 1 0:00

dude. Last week I was talking crazy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What's going on everybody. It's ron brown lmt, the people's fitness professional, alongside my co-host, mikey fever, and this is a new yorker's perspective yo I got my, I'm gonna say I'm gonna call him my baby brother in the house, trevor. Call him my baby brother in the house, trevor. What's up?

Speaker 3 0:25

My baby brother. He's going to say, hey, love me too. Like that.

Speaker 1 0:27

Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, it's all good, it's all good, it's all good. Cool-ass Trevor. Yo, trevor was the first person I did a podcast with, yo.

Speaker 3 0:40

Right, I've been trying to figure it out for the longest still.

Speaker 1 0:47

Yeah right, we've been trying to figure it out for the longest still, yeah, yeah, yo man. Um well, welcome, welcome to the nyp family. Clip clip is in the building, as usual, yo clip man. I'm not gonna lie man, I really appreciate you brother, because, uh, you basically been with us for the beginning.

Speaker 4 0:58

Yeah, man, we got a mutual.

Speaker 5 1:01

we got a mutual homie and I said you know what if we got a mutual homie? And I said you know what, if you hold me at my homie, I'm going to spread love, like you, to home. So that's just what it is for me.

Speaker 1 1:10

Indeed, thank you. Thank you, sir. So now we got awareness daily in the uh building. Uh, peace to the God, peace to the God Peace, god Peace to the God, peace, peace, peace. Thank you for joining us. I just want y'all to hit the like comment. Hit the like share button comment. We have a super chats as well. Contribute to this super chat. We would appreciate it, greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 1 1:38

Our focus is to get an in-person podcast and it'll be peace if we can have all these brothers in one room to talk about what we talk about. Shalom brother, asiatic soldier shalom. So we got Cool Ass Trev in the building Clip in the building. Cool Ass Trev. Actually, I think you went to school for stuff like this, right.

Speaker 3 2:03

Yeah, I went to College of New York Sherrill. They was like the only college basically in Harlem that had communications. So I wasn't going to no other college unless they had that and me and that I didn't go away. That was the only ones that had communications and they had a studio and everything but at the time they didn't have um. I guess I don't think a lot of students really was in that major. It was really a few of us, like literally a handful, that actually studied that and really went all out and I guess, completed and got a degree in that in that um field gotcha, gotcha, so this.

Speaker 1 2:44

So this is pretty much your field.

Speaker 3 2:47

Somewhat. Yeah, you can say that, okay, well, it was like hard to get in, but now it's like well, when I started it was like I would say hard to get in because I guess at that time I was trying to get on Hot 97, you know, trying to figure out a way in them. You know, on hot 97, you know trying to figure out a way in.

Speaker 3 3:09

And you know, after that is once, I think once nori came out with drake champs when I was like, oh, I could do my own thing, right, you know I'm saying and that's just what I've been doing for the time being, you know, just figuring out different ways to just be heard that's a fact now.

Speaker 1 3:22

Now I want to ask you, trev um, when did? When did we? When did? What was the name of that podcast? We started some years back. When was that podcast started?

Speaker 3 3:31

that was like my son is 13. That was he had to be like five, maybe, maybe. Yeah, it was called. Ain't Hard to Tell.

Speaker 1 3:47

Ain't Hard to Tell, right, ain't Hard to Tell. That was the podcast we wanted to do. When we saw Nori and him doing that, we were like yo, let's just do it. We met at Yankee Stadium and we were just talking. You know, we were trying to come up with an idea of a podcast and then I think Trev came up with the idea. Ain't like, ain't hard to tell. I think, you know, cause of Nas.

Speaker 3 4:10

Right, it was more or less that. That was like one of my favorite songs off that album too. Right, so so as far as hip hop.

Speaker 1 4:19

Right. So, as far as hip hop is concerned, he's all in. He could definitely you, you know chime in on that conversation. So that's why he's here on the tuesday, because this is the hip-hop or, uh, hip-hop news, or music news, uh, all that stuff, entertainment and all that. Uh, tuesday now, um shawnee's supposed to come on. He probably tied up or whatever. Uh, however, let let's go into it. Today we're talking about Top 5, dead or Alive. I want to start off with, since Mikey is the co-host, right, let's start off with Mikey. I want to know your Top 5, dead or Alive. Matter of fact, let's go Top 5.

Speaker 4 5:03

Top 5 Dead or Alive.

Speaker 1 5:04

Top 5 Dead or Alive, of course, pac Nas, let's go top five, top five that are alive, top five that are alive, of course, pac Nas Tragedy, gaddafi, saigon and Papoose Intelligent Hungry. Yeah, saigon and Papoose.

Speaker 1 5:24

Saigon's first album was absolutely fire yeah now, that's an interesting look, uh uh, asiatic Soldier Scarface definitely, I hear you. That's peace, that's peace. So that's an interesting top five right there Pac, nas, tragedy, saigon and Papoose. Now, why would you, why did you pick see park in? Okay, I see what's going on with this list right here. It's more like it's more like an information kind of conscious, kind of vibe, or five, exactly, okay, okay so got it.

Speaker 3 6:02

I got a question Because now we all come from I'm assuming everybody in this right here is a baby Basically raised in the nineties.

Speaker 1 6:19

Yeah.

Speaker 3 6:20

Right, Okay, so you said Saigon. How many? What is his discography to even be put on a list? I mean, I don't know, you might know more than me, because I don't know like one song from Saigon to even be mentioned.

Speaker 4 6:40

Oh, I could do his first mixtape on the go back, the one we did with who, kid and um was that the one that had the letter P?

Speaker 4 6:51

yeah, no, that's um Durag. Was Durag on there? Durag was on there. Yeah, that joint right there go back. Letter P the best of Saigon with um Clinton Sparks, like his first album and the second album, the Greatest Story Never Told, one and two and a bunch of other features he was on in mixtapes, rob Markman. The best of Saigon with Clinton Sparks. The best of Saigon with Clinton Sparks. The best of Saigon with Clinton.

Speaker 3 7:15

Sparks. The best of Saigon with Clinton Sparks. The best of Saigon with Clinton Sparks. The best of Saigon with Clinton Sparks the best of Saigon with Clinton State, New York, somewhere right.

Speaker 4 7:23

He's from Brooklyn originally, but he rested upstate.

Speaker 3 7:27

I never heard anybody put Saigon on any list. To be honest, with you.

Speaker 4 7:31

I was into those mixtapes that period.

Speaker 5 7:34

The fact that you put Saigon on that list is kind of tough, because it's something that you would have to know his catalog to really understand why someone would love Saigon. If you're an avid listener of hip-hop and you give everybody a chance, you know what I'm saying Right Now.

Speaker 3 7:52

I'm a little biased because I know around a certain time period I only listened to really what was hot or that was being played, so that's all on me, or that was being played, so that's all on me Because I didn't really go out and look for a Saigon song or album or mixtape.

Speaker 4 8:10

To be honest with you, you gotta listen to it bro.

Speaker 5 8:14

Check it out, bro, when you get the chance, just check it out. He got some stuff. Alright, this dude is dope.

Speaker 3 8:18

I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 4 8:20

Look for that song. He has multiple choices. Okay, both versions. What album is?

Speaker 1 8:28

that.

Speaker 4 8:28

What did you say, Ron?

Speaker 1 8:32

What album is Multiple Choices.

Speaker 4 8:34

This one is mixtape, mixtape, yeah. And he got quite a few albums, man, they're not mainstream. Besides, the Greatest Story Ever Told. One and two, okay, number three. I'm a little. One and two were dope.

Speaker 5 8:48

The first solo album was all produced by Just Blaze.

Speaker 4 8:51

Exactly Really.

Speaker 3 8:53

No, no, I remember that. I remember when him and Just Blaze was like that was the two at that time.

Speaker 4 9:02

Plus Nas was trying to sign him back then. First Jay-Z said in an interview he has a shot at the time. Plus Nas was trying to sign him back then. First Jay-Z said in an interview he has a shot at the industry. Plus Nas was trying to look for him at one point. I don't know if that deal never went through. The dude is dope man.

Speaker 1 9:16

Okay, can you quote a lyric? Let me hear it From Saigon, saigon Let me see On this track.

Speaker 4 9:24

he got right here on Letter P he said I'll pop a pussy person for personally perpetrating the rest of this shit. I'm trying to remember it, but if you listen to Letter P and Multiple Choice, he's saying being a real thug, nigga you, not Even your block. I get more love than you got Guns. Cop Saigon, calm like W.

Speaker 1 9:46

I was just putting you to the test. I was just putting you to the test.

Speaker 5 9:50

Letter P he's rapping with them.

Speaker 1 9:52

He's rapping with all of them, letter P, consistently the whole joint.

Speaker 4 9:58

He's like no, I'm not a P-I-N-P, but I do got a pistol in my pocket flirting with me in my pocket. It's crazy, yo. I gotta check that out.

Speaker 1 10:08

Yo, you know what I like about I never liked Saigon's music. I'm not gonna lie to you. But you know, because my musical taste is to the left, forget about my taste. We're gonna talk about it, but my taste don't even pay attention. But Saigon, what I like about Saigon is his grind Because remember, when he first came out, he was promoting everywhere in the city. He had stickers everywhere and it makes you want to like who is this Saigon dude? Bodegas everywhere, bronx, harlem, all five boroughs, boroughs. Well, I don't know about Staten Island.

Speaker 1 10:46

We all fall we all fall.

Speaker 4 10:49

Yeah man Psy Giddy.

Speaker 1 10:52

Now let's go.

Speaker 4 10:53

I'm the Psy Giddy. All the other Psy Giddys Is fake, like Kim's titties.

Speaker 1 10:58

Now let's go. I don't even want to talk about Pop, because that's like Goes without saying yeah, man, that's like one of my favorite artists on my top five.

Speaker 4 11:07

Hold up, Not to go. I should have added like a wild card in there. I would say MF Doom for lyricism. If dudes listen to MF Doom, it's another beast, bro Cliff laughing.

Speaker 1 11:18

Why are you laughing?

Speaker 4 11:19

Cliff is like, MF Doom is a.

Speaker 1 11:21

You ain't messing with MF.

Speaker 5 11:23

Doom. Oh, mf Doom is a. You ain't messing with MF Doom. No, I like MF Doom. I like MF Doom. Mf Doom got a lot of his style from Ghostface, but that's neither here nor there. But MF Doom, he was out before Ghostface.

Speaker 2 11:38

If you know the history of who.

Speaker 4 11:39

MF Doom is yeah, kmd, yes, kmd.

Speaker 5 11:42

You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 11:44

Yeah, definitely. All you know what I mean. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 11:46

All right, now I mean pocket knives. We don't even have to really talk about pocket knives, but you know real quick, like a quick you know summary of why you put pocket knives up there.

Speaker 4 12:00

Both are to me. Both are poetical intellectuals. You know they got street knowledge and also you know what you consider academics or literature, study of world history and social commentary yeah, so both of them are dope to me. Man, if I like, I could do. If I can't get a pock one day, I'll just pump some naz, like naz is more laid back. Pock was more aggressive. He gives you that more aggressive. That motion. Nas is more intellectual.

Speaker 5 12:26

You know, what.

Speaker 1 12:27

I'm saying that's pretty much it. All right. Tragedy in Pat Poose.

Speaker 4 12:35

Tragedy, tragedy. To me, man, I think he's the gutter version of Nas and Queen's Bridge. Bro, he also has some knowledge too with it. Like not tragedies Like when I heard that track Grand Groove growing up he had Grand Groove and he had it was Grand Groove and Return to Life was the joint that got me hooked Like a baby having baby and she's wondering how. If you can remember that track.

Speaker 5 13:06

I know the whole catalog, but you know.

Speaker 4 13:08

You know the whole catalog, right?

Speaker 5 13:09

I know the whole catalog, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 13:11

All I know from tragedy from back in the day is I'm black and I'm proud.

Speaker 5 13:16

Sometimes, when I'm old, true confession yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:22

He's talking about way back before. He was Tragedy. I don't know you talking All right, all right.

Speaker 4 13:30

Intelligent hoodlum. Are we talking?

Speaker 2 13:31

about or tragedy.

Speaker 4 13:31

I'm talking about intelligent hoodlum, but tragedy what?

Speaker 1 13:35

are you?

Speaker 4 13:35

talking about.

Speaker 1 13:36

True confessions, true confessions. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 13:38

With Iman Thug. Iman Thug that I'll throw the jakes. It's a free black clap of seals busting peels that they need cats love a lot more like a child. Yo tragedy, that tragedy holding the chrome toast, yeah, yeah, and that's the best to me. Tragedy's best album to me was um, against all odds, no, against all odds, and still reporting those two to me was what dope?

Speaker 4 13:58

but against all odds was a dope album, bro. If you listen to against all odds, shout out to tragedyy. Yeah, like Blood Type was my joint. What Makes you Think? And that track TM True Message, that was a hard track, pap. I was crazy about Pap's freestyles back then At first. I couldn't get with his music due to the voice for that I'm like oh, this dude got some bars bro.

Speaker 3 14:26

You gotta hold a bite just by his ride. The way he just flooded Is crazy. I just waited outside the case late and Dedication is crazy for him. So yeah, I can respect Pabst's grind. For anything, you ain't going to get that, no more. You definitely ain't going to get nothing like that. You ain't going to have it like that. He ain't even that patient For being from Brooklyn. I don't see too many patient Brooklyn dudes.

Speaker 4 15:02

Yeah, but P that Pap got it and the whole knowledge of stuff, stuff. He be kicking too Like the lower libraries when you hear them like yo, this dude really put his time into that. I forget it was Slaughter. The Nasaria Dream album was a dope album too, bro.

Speaker 5 15:17

That album was dope, but I'm not going to really say too much about Pap I don't know what is it bro? Sometimes Pat be forcing stuff to me, right, he can rhyme. I will say that he can rhyme. He has very lyrical skill. Sometimes he forces things to me and it comes off kind of cheesy. That's just me, though, but he can rhyme. I will not take nothing away from him. I understand why people love him For those that are fans of Pap, when you do songs like Bucket Naked.

Speaker 4 15:52

I'm doing some. Yeah, that right there. I wasn't, I wasn't. You see, I'm from Brooklyn. I'm not going to be biased with that aspect. No, that song right there. I wasn't a fan of that one. I was like that's not you, pap, that's not you, right there.

Speaker 5 16:02

Yeah, I'm not really with it. But you know, outside of that I understand why I like Pap. I like Pap me personally. I like Pap when he was rhyming with G-Rap Because a lot of people don't know he was out on G-Rap way before he was with K-Slick.

Speaker 4 16:19

Flames of a K-Slick. Yeah, what's the name of that song?

Speaker 5 16:21

It was on a track, but yeah, I remember that it was on the Roots of Evil. Coogee Rap album.

Speaker 4 16:27

Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 3 16:28

Let me ask you a question why we don't put none of the old school pioneers in the top five?

Speaker 1 16:34

Hold on, hold on Before we go. Okay, Go ahead Clip. Go ahead Clip.

Hip Hop Legends and Impact

Speaker 5 16:39

My bad. Me personally, I have the old school legends in a different tier Because they're the pioneers. I don't even put them in a ranking. They are who they are. They are gods to this culture. I put them in a whole different league because it wouldn't be none of my favorites without them.

Speaker 3 16:59

When we put them in an even numerical order. I don't even put the gods in a numerical order, because I wouldn't do that either, because I got my favorites and it's like once you put that on, I know it works, for it don't matter what year it is. I wasn't even born when that song came out, word for word.

Speaker 5 17:20

I salute all the gods. Like all of them, like G-Rap Kane Rakim you know what I'm saying, ll, I salute all those gods. To me, those are the gods of what we do with this culture as far as music. So if you go back and just listen to them, you can see where every rap style came from that's true.

Speaker 4 17:44

So who's your top five? Cliff.

Speaker 5 17:46

My top five is Pac Snoop, big Nas Hov. Sorry, it's typical, I don't care. Those are my guys. That's cool. Everybody had their preference. I got Face, but I got other ones preference. I got face. I got other ones too. I got face.

Speaker 1 18:07

Wait, hold on, pac, snoop Big and who else?

Speaker 5 18:16

Pac, Snoop, Big Nas and Hope. All that we mentioned is Q, Scarface, Gotcha, Gotcha.

Speaker 4 18:23

Well, man, that's a heavy list right there.

Speaker 1 18:26

That's a heavy list. Okay, so you put Pac at the top right. Pac is number one for me.

Speaker 4 18:32

Machiavelli For me.

Speaker 1 18:35

Now, why did you put Snoop and Big over Nas and Hov? I put Snoop and Big.

Speaker 5 18:42

I put Snoop and Big over Nas and Hov. I put Snoop and Big. I put Snoop over Nas because I think Snoop has the greatest hip hop album ever made. I think Doggystyle is the greatest rap album to me ever made, if we're going to production. He's not the greatest lyricist of the crew he's not but Snoop has the illest flow that I've ever heard. He has the smoothest and illest flow that, even if he says something really basic, his verses will be memorable because of who he is His delivery.

Speaker 1 19:20

I think Nipsey was kind of sort of like that.

Speaker 5 19:22

I think Nipsey is more of sort of like that. I think Nipsey is more lyrical than Snoop, but I think Snoop Nipsey doesn't have the flow that Snoop has. I think everybody on my list is more lyrical than Snoop. Snoop has a flow about him that's almost Slick Rick-ish. He doesn't, and the way he flows on the record. Snoop has a flow about him that's almost Slick Rick-ish. Yeah, he does it in a close way and the way he flows on the record. And my list is not just based off of who can rap the best. My list is based on impact and longevity outside of Pac and Big and longevity outside of Pac and Big.

Speaker 3 20:04

You think if Pac and Big was here, they'll still be on the top five list?

Speaker 5 20:08

Yes.

Speaker 3 20:10

I mean Pac, I can get that.

Speaker 5 20:12

Big yes.

Speaker 3 20:13

Big only had two albums. I agree that he was lyrical and he different styles. He came with it, fly, everything. He had the whole persona of what an artist at that time looked like, even though he claimed to be ugly. He had that charisma, that confidence. I could see him being on different lists, but Pop had so much music it's hard not to put him anywhere. I would put him as an honorable mention, to be honest with you Okay and I respect it.

Speaker 5 20:45

You know what I'm saying. I got Big up there because, for me, big had a real impact on me With his flow, his cadence, his wordplay, the fact that he was getting better Like you can hear that he was getting better, like you can hear it that he was getting better and the thing about when he passed. And you go back and listen to what he was. You just go back and listen to his flow in that era and you compare it to anything that came after. He was still leagues above everybody.

Speaker 4 21:20

True, he, the fact that he did have two albums and, like you mentioned, he was getting better, was still leagues above everybody. True, the fact that he did have two albums and, like you mentioned, he was getting better. I think in this day and age, I think Pac and Big would have still been out there. Pac probably would have been on different levels for his adventures. Pac would have definitely had music.

Speaker 3 21:38

It wouldn't have been no reason for him not to have, With what's going on today. Pac's for him not to have what's going on today. Pac's old music is relevant to what's going on today. I can imagine what his new music would sound like for this.

Speaker 1 21:52

I think if he didn't die then no disrespect, because I love Pac, he's actually on my list no disrespect, but I think if Pac didn't die, then he would die later, later on. I don't think he would even exist at this point because he was just too much of a uh uh, he was too much of a rebel to the system and he was changing so many people's minds. Um, he even had a uh, I don't want to call it a gang. He had a crew, right, what is it called? 57?

Speaker 4 22:26

No 50 Niggas. 50 Niggas was his ideology 50 dudes from each part of the US, from hardcore cities, to form your own army under the Thug Life Code. So he had a revolutionary base, but I think he would have been beyond rapping at this point. He would have been more probably political, you know what?

Speaker 3 22:43

I'm saying he definitely would have been in the politics. Yeah, you know what I'm saying he would have been more color in politics than Pac.

Speaker 1 22:52

Yeah, I think the United States would change a little bit if Pac was still here.

Speaker 3 23:00

I think we'd have more conscious brothers more conscious if Pac was still here Among the young black men.

Speaker 5 23:04

It wouldn't be none of this. I think we'd have more conscious brothers, more conscious younger cats if Pac was alive, yeah of course.

Reflections on Hip-Hop Legends

Speaker 4 23:10

Of course I think Big too, because I think Big just played that Mafioso. You know his rap style. But I think Big would have worked with Pac. I think that beef would have been smashed amongst them.

Speaker 5 23:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wouldn't have been between them. That's the whole thing. The beef was between the entourages and all the other people that was around. Right, it wasn't amongst them. Really, it was amongst them two brothers. Them two brothers just didn't get a chance to speak face-to-face without any side people, so we never got a chance to see that. We got to remember that they was only 24, 25.

Speaker 4 23:43

That's a fact, man, Right At a young age. At that time I thought they were much older. I was 13, 14. I'm thinking these guys were in their 40s, 20? I'm like damn.

Speaker 1 23:58

That's crazy, now you mentioned. I want to hear what you have to say about Hov, though. That's crazy Now you mentioned.

Speaker 5 24:08

You know I want to hear what you have to say about Hove, though. Hove, yeah, hove is the rags-to-riches story of a drug. All right, the reason why I like Hove is because Hove, even though there was rappers rapping about drugs and I'm not glorifying the drug dealer, but Hove was the first one that I seen tell the pitfalls of selling drugs. Right, like everyone else, was rapping about it out of survival. Like you know, rapping out of survival, it was like alright, cool, hove came out with rapping from a kingpin standpoint from the beginning. Like he never came. He didn't come out rapping. I'm just on the block. Nah, I'm already up, but I'm gonna show you. But I'm telling you that I really don't even want to do this and, like people, people get caught up in the flash. But if you really pay attention to the lyrics, he didn't want to. He didn't want to sell drugs, he wanted to do other things. When he branched off and was able to do other things and become one of the most successful artists of our time, when you look at his videos.

Speaker 3 25:17

He didn't even explain that, because a lot of his videos wasn't no slash or nothing it was what they had for real Us looking at them, that looked like money, the Lexus they didn't have. No, he didn't wear nothing extravagant to where it looked like we couldn't get it. When you look back at it, he had what Ace Solos on the President of the Year, what he had on a regular chain.

Speaker 1 25:45

Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:45

A lot of attempts. He had shit that we probably could have saved up money for. You know what I'm saying. And boy, yeah, you know it's just like. Oh, you just see, you just automatically saw a person on TV talking about it. I didn't understand a lot of it until later. You know what I mean. There was multiple songs where his first two albums everything was about regretting dealing drugs.

Speaker 3 26:11

Literally you must have loved me sitting on a cold bench while I was arranging a skirt. Come on now looking at my mother's face. You can't tell me this dude wanted like.

Speaker 5 26:23

I've got to get out of here.

Speaker 3 26:25

I'm literally trapped. I've got one foot in, one foot out literally and almost both feet are still in it.

Speaker 5 26:32

See you in the street. We tend to be friendly, but I know every type of jealousy brings envy.

Speaker 4 26:37

Lucky me, that's, my shit that's my favorite.

Speaker 3 26:42

It was on you just a week ago that's my shit, that's my favorite.

Speaker 4 26:47

That's my favorite that's the best version to me. That first one, that first Dead President to me was the best one. You know what I'm saying. The second one on the album was it was cool, but the first, I love them both.

Speaker 5 27:06

I don't know. I just I don't know Like, because I see Hosea when he was home, right. So I see Jay-Z perform out here in Harlem at the Music Hut before Dead President came out, Before you know what I'm saying Before all of those records. So to out before all of those records To see where he came from and where he went and I was close enough to touch him, is like dog, you got to give credit when credit is due.

Speaker 4 27:34

Can we not forget one track that people will be sleeping on in my lifetime? Let me tell you in my lifetime.

Speaker 3 27:43

I'm going to tell you, as a kid, the remix. I want that played at my funeral. I swear to God. I swear to God, that is the song I want to be played at my funeral, the B-side right.

Speaker 4 27:55

Yeah, I love that, bro. His flow in there was just crazy, bro. Like it's just that one and that Remember that track he had. I Can't Get With that I forgot to mention something. I saw it, I saw it.

Speaker 3 28:08

You saw it with Money.

Speaker 4 28:10

I believe. Oh, wow, I saw it with Money.

Speaker 5 28:12

I forgot to mention my guy who had a big influence on me too, my man Mase. I don't care what anybody say, that's my guy, Nobody say that's my guy.

Speaker 3 28:21

Mace, that's my guy. I think to me he's another honorable mention as well. He don't get the credit that he really, really what he did for Harlem Outside of all the people that came before him like that, really pioneered it. Mace really said, all right, I got this and was out.

Speaker 5 28:45

I think his impact to me was bigger than Dipset's. Of course, a lot of people disagree.

Speaker 3 28:51

You don't get Dipset without Mace, you don't get Dipset without Big L, you don't get Dipset without McGruff.

Speaker 5 28:59

You don't get Dipset without Big E.

Speaker 3 29:01

Nah, he said talking about Mase. He was saying like how Mase you know what Mase did? People sleep on Mase because Mase is another one that got what? Three albums.

Speaker 5 29:13

Three To me. I say he's the greatest MC. I say he's the greatest rapper from Harlem personally Me right. People argue and say Big L. I don't think so. The problem with me with Big L is Big L can't make commercial songs like that.

Speaker 3 29:32

He can rap.

Speaker 5 29:33

No, he can rap. He's a bond off. To me, when it came to making, to switching it up and being able to go all the way here and then come back and go all the way here, big L to me sometimes sounded like he was forcing it. It didn't flow out to me as if it was natural.

Speaker 3 29:54

See, I think Big L didn't have enough time either to really go to what Mase did, because if you look at it, mase came out even as smooth as he looked. He held his own when it comes to niggas and started something you know what I'm saying Like he was on the front mat to flex. You know, when he put those street styles out, mase was like I don't care how pretty, you know, mase held his own when it came to getting business Murder Mace.

Speaker 3 30:26

He was Murder Mace and then he went over to Puff and he became, you know, dollar Sign, ma, dollar Sign. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 30:34

He was like I was murdered.

Speaker 4 30:37

P Diddy made me pretty.

Speaker 5 30:42

After Big Dodd. That was all Macy's pen.

Speaker 3 30:47

I think with Puff's boot camp, just writing all those songs, like you said, I was murdered. Pete Diddy made me pretty. That boot camp is when he really was like all right, I'm going to go here with this. I'm going to go here with this, I'm going to move out of Harlem, I'm going to go across seas, I'm going to party, we're going to have fun, we're going to get money. We're going to show them what Harlem really looked like when they was getting money.

Speaker 3 31:15

And I think that's what he did, and then I just him with his eyes open saw the industry for what it was it's like.

Speaker 4 31:22

I gotta go, peace I have a question for you guys. How do you feel? How do you feel about may 2nd album?

Speaker 3 31:28

I actually like it a lot I can't, I can't, I like me second now, it wasn't it wasn't bad.

Speaker 5 31:32

Right starts from scratch was a dope song for me I thought, uh, same, same was my record on that album. That was a dope album, I'll be honest with you that Harlem World.

Speaker 4 31:44

Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 31:46

That whole, not Harlem World. The group.

Speaker 4 31:49

Oh, the one he had, the group he had. That album was not bad.

Speaker 3 31:55

That album was crazy.

Speaker 5 31:56

That's the debut, if I'm promoting correctly.

Speaker 3 31:58

That album was crazy.

Speaker 5 32:00

That's the major debut of Kanye West Right Kanye.

Speaker 3 32:03

West Right, Kanye West. I think Jermaine Dupri worked a little bit with them. Just Blaze If you listen to that album. I don't know if they all did the writing, but outside of that commercial circus, video that they had. It was cool.

Speaker 5 32:21

The video messed up the song. The song was dope. The video messed up the song.

Speaker 3 32:24

The song was dope.

Speaker 4 32:27

Hov messed that up.

Speaker 3 32:29

Yeah, Hov messed up. He messed that up. You think niggas been shooting your fat ass out of cannons before I'm that nigga Hov said nah, y'all not going to win this.

Speaker 4 32:41

Now, but that album was dope because they had that track with Drag On. I'd have been around the world and it excites me.

Speaker 5 32:47

The Cali shit with my man Steve. A lot of people forget that who it's for the New Riders, new Riders, ov Smokers. They had a video version of that song that had Snoop on the end.

Speaker 4 33:01

Yep, they had a video version of that song that had Snoop on it. Yep, that's a fact. You did that's a fact. They was riding around LA.

Top Five Hip-Hop Artists

Speaker 3 33:09

Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that A lot of stuff they didn't play because at the time they wasn't really. It was all about hits and the pop, pop popping.

Speaker 4 33:17

What looks good, what's shiny, what's you know, I got it, I got it.

Speaker 3 33:24

They're streaming it now.

Speaker 1 33:27

Now Trev. I want to get to Trev, your top five.

Speaker 3 33:33

My top five I'm going to say Nas, big Nas, big Hose, eminem and Seagull. I got a few honorable mentions because Kiss I still get, you know, the anticipation of seeing Kiss's name on the song. It's like, all right, what are you going to say now? It's 2024. I feel like Seagull. When you look back at Rockefeller and you listen to Seagull, he really put a lot of substance into Rockefeller. What Bleak didn't do, what Cole wanted Bleak to do, beans put a lot of that substance. I didn't know nothing about Philly at the time except about cheese steaks. When you listen to it it's like what is it? Die, damn, die. He breaks it down, being locked up. It's really a lot of substance on there. The same way, hov had the substance of the street to make you understand and the regrets that he had, siegel had a lot of substance where it was like I don't care about none of this. I'm just trying to. You know, I'm trying to get away from there, just just to be comfortable, because I'm tired of this too.

Speaker 2 34:59

You know what.

Speaker 3 35:00

I'm saying Seagull, and then that mixtape that he had Public Enemy no 1, is like Facts. You're not going to get that time around. You're not going to get no Seagull.

Speaker 4 35:14

Trev.

Speaker 3 35:16

I would like to have brought everybody from Philly, Because outside of him Petey was like my main next up dude Rob Markman Jr.

Speaker 1 35:24

Petey, yeah, Petey was that dude?

Speaker 4 35:27

My favorite track on that Public Enemy mixtape was I'm Feeling. That Freestyle. My hat looked better than him, that one with that beat he had. Who the fuck want to go to war with me and shoot your ass? Seagulls like to have guns shooting through the matrix. My wind is back. I forgot. Listen to that mixtape, bro. It's called Tracks I'm feeling it.

Speaker 3 35:47

He did a video for it. He was on House of Wrestling yeah.

Speaker 5 35:51

My favorite mixtape is the mixtape he had before the Truth album.

Speaker 3 35:59

It was the DJ from Philly and he rapped the Cosmic Cav mixtape where he was going off yeah, I know what you're talking about when he did a whole bunch of flex, a whole bunch of wild.

Speaker 5 36:11

He was only known for getting other money. Nigga, we throw that shit on Y'all. A bunch of bummy niggas. That Seagull right there, man listen.

Speaker 4 36:22

If you're talking about Philly, don't forget Dutch and Spade man.

Speaker 3 36:27

I think Philly would get it Somebody on the show.

Speaker 1 36:31

People in the chat be trolling man what they saying. It don't even matter, man, we gotta just block this person. They crazy man.

Speaker 3 36:42

Nah, let them be.

Speaker 1 36:44

Nah.

Speaker 3 36:45

They told me Philly just got a bunch of they're looking for their mother, my bad. Everybody went to jail in Philly, that's just Spade. I think Spade went to jail. Major figures really, wasn't that to me? I don't think Gilly was ever nice.

Speaker 5 37:06

No.

Speaker 1 37:07

I like.

Speaker 3 37:07

Gilly.

Speaker 1 37:08

Nah, I love being the gangster.

Speaker 5 37:12

I like Gilly, though I like Gilly.

Speaker 3 37:16

I thought Eve was cool. You know what I'm saying. But outside of that, Philly was just too hard, you know, and they just went to jail. Everybody just literally went to jail. Philly went to New Orleans and it was over there with Baby and them.

Speaker 5 37:38

I like that. I like that.

Speaker 3 37:39

Bravo, because Ab Lava was a big Twin Tower type dude. That was just too quiet.

Speaker 4 37:55

He went over there with.

Speaker 3 37:56

Virginia with them dudes.

Speaker 5 37:58

Yeah, with the Clips. Yeah, but he was ghostwriting for Dr Dre for a few years. Oh, Ab.

Speaker 3 38:02

Lava. Yeah, I know, wow, but he was ghostwriting for Dr Dre for a few years oh Ablaba. Yeah, I know, Wow, what I hope he got paid.

Speaker 5 38:08

I mean, he ain't looking like he's struggling out here, so go look, he just been ghostwriting.

Speaker 1 38:15

Yo, we got Shawnee on the check-in. What's going on, Shawnee?

Speaker 2 38:19

Darryl, what up, fellas my fault checking what's going on. Shawnee Darryl, what up fellas my fault? I'm running a little behind. But you know family men do family things, man, my bad.

Speaker 1 38:26

Indeed, it's all good. Your top five, your top five that are live. Let's hear it.

Speaker 2 38:35

I gotta go nod, right. I gotta go nod right, because when we talk about this, right it's gotta be, impact has to count. Right, because I was thinking about it. Right, a lot of times when you ask somebody what their top five is, it's going to pertain mostly to their coast, it's going to pertain mostly to wherever it's right around them. So it's really hard to build a top five that are a live list and be true to the art itself, right? So I would definitely like to nominate Black Thorpe.

Pioneers of Hip-Hop

Speaker 2 39:14

Right Thorpe been doing this for an eon and a half with not enough recognition. Right, touching on plenty of subjects, rapping on traditional hip hop beats, rapping over live instrumentals, over live instrumentals I don't think you know that kind of play for some reason doesn't get orchestrated enough in these kind of conversations. So while I'm talking about Black, I want to also mention Andre. Right, because Andre is another artist who Penn doesn't get enough respect. It doesn't get spoken a lot about. We like to give Andre his kudos and his flowers on the Fadul thing and say, oh, fadul helped him out so much, but I mean even before that his pen was phenomenal Before that his pen was phenomenal right.

Speaker 1 40:12

Wait, hold on hold on hold on His pen was phenomenal right. Wait, hold on hold on, hold on, do you?

Speaker 2 40:19

think Dre Andre is better than Big Boi. I think he is more expansive. I think his pen doesn't come with a thought process. I think when you listen to how he rap, it's just like the words just dictate what's going to happen. And I think with Big Boi, I think his style dictates more or less what's going to happen, which kind of makes it just a tad bit less natural, if you follow me. So I would definitely go with the more spiritually in tune with communication. I would definitely go with. More spiritually in tune with communication. I would definitely go with. I'm not taking away from Big Boy Pen or Big Boy Vibe, but when we're talking about touching people you have to use a cadence that everybody can understand. Not everybody can really understand Big Boy in comparison to Andre.

Speaker 1 41:09

Okay, right, I see what's going on here man, I'm going to toss you back.

Speaker 2 41:15

I'm going to toss you back, no, no. But what about Melly Mel? What about?

Speaker 3 41:24

the bars?

Speaker 2 41:26

No, I'm saying Melly.

Speaker 5 41:27

Mel.

Speaker 2 41:29

The message right? If I'm not mistaken, the message, his verse on the message, is the birth of rap. I don't do, I don't, I don't want to. That's the birth of. Well, let me tell you what it really is. It's, it's not braggadocious, it's not braggadocious at all. Actually, it's it's raw fat, it's what it is outside.

Speaker 2 41:52

So how could I forget him and even his influence, even his negative influence on the culture God forbid, like you know what I mean, god forbid. But even his negative influence on the culture as to not accepting the newer style of hip-hop, because he was one of the first people to not really jack the new style of hip-hop. Like one of the first people to not really jack the new style of hip hop, like you know, he wasn't really with it. And then that kind of became the culture itself, like generations started closing doors instead of opening them up, trying to understand where the youth was coming from, and so on and so forth. So I said, for better or for worse, I gotta throw Melly Mel in there.

Speaker 2 42:35

And then after that, man, man, like that's hard, it's not easy, like you know what I mean, when you really pour your thought into it. It's not something you can just ramble off, because once you start knocking certain things off, it's like, well, who got that? Like who, who else has affected so many people that it don't make a difference what costume on. You can ask them well, who's in your top five? And that one person continuously pops up in a huge percentage I wouldn't know like. And that's so crazy. I have my favorites, I like hovey, but I don't know if I will put hovey in top five. That or a lot, even with, even with the nine years in.

Speaker 3 43:26

No, no, the, the, the, the, the 14, 15 years in well, can I piggyback off to what you said about that Kostu thing, because when you think of Kost you can't really say anything regarding hip-hop without really saying Eazy-E or Ice-T when you look at it like that, because when you look at anything gangster, that, because when you look at anything gangster from the heart, ice-t was a pimp, was a gangster and, like you said, mezzy Mel told you what it looked like in the prompt from the message, and you're right. If it wasn't for that one verse to say what it really is, people would start looking because before that it was. I want a color TV so I can see the Knicks play basketball. Right, they ain't have a color TV, they ain't have the money for the TV. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 44:20

Right.

Speaker 3 44:20

When you look at it like that, I get what you're saying. You can't mention nothing without saying Eazy-E, because even though the Bronx created hip hop and it came from here, but what Eazy did and Compton did, that is you know, they don't get enough credit for that. A lot of people overlook that because Eazy was really like the gangster out there getting busy, like he said in the movie yo, I gotta kill shit Like.

Speaker 3 44:56

I'm really getting busy and do that. You know what I'm saying, so you're right about that, like those. But Clint said it earlier the pioneers are the pioneers, right, right.

Speaker 2 45:07

But see that was what I was saying real quick. Right, because I'm from the East Coast. Right, and it's amazing. I'm so thankful for you Because you brought up iced tea and I forgot iced tea. Like you brought up iced tea, now easy for the marriage of what's outside. And then the person who could put it together lyrically, and him being in the middle, for sure, but if you want to talk about the guy, like you said, who really gave you the stories, who who made it intriguing, who who had hella lyrical wordplay, man Ice-T, final level, ice-t is your show. He gets no respect on that level and I'm so grateful for you bringing him up. Thank you, ice-t, would be my fifth person. Thank you, alright.

Speaker 5 46:11

I gotta speak on Ice-T. I have to. Ice-t, six in the morning, was birthed from Schoolie D, his cave right, so it goes back. It comes back here. Ice-t is originally from New Jersey, oh really he's from the East Coast.

Speaker 1 46:32

His parents died so they moved him out?

Speaker 3 46:34

Oh, really, yeah, he's from the East Coast, I'm learning today. His parents died so they moved him out. Well, he moved out to LA after he went to the Army.

Speaker 5 46:40

Yeah, yeah, so, yeah yeah. So he brought the schoolie D swag, but he mixed it in with LA gang culture, so he brought that part of hip-hop to LA because LA didn't have a hip-hop scene Can.

Speaker 3 46:59

I ask you this real quick. All right, let's say you as a child, you grew up. Let's say from, like, let's say 0 to 10, you were on the East Coast. But from 10 until you're West Coast, where do you? Think your influence is really going to come from.

Speaker 5 47:20

West Coast. No, I get that part. I get that 100%. Ice-t is still a West Coast guy. We're not going to ever say he's not a.

Speaker 2 47:28

West Coast guy.

Speaker 5 47:29

Right, he's the father of gangster rap, what we consider gangster rap or reality rap, which I like to call it Reality rap for the West Coast. Right, he gave us the first knowledge of what Bloods and Crips was, because we didn't know what that was. No, that's not true. Right, Ice-T came out with colors and gave us an insight of yo, this is what's going down in LA. We had no clue of that gang culture. We laughed at it at first, Like y'all fighting over colors. We didn't know the magnitude of how serious it really was until he opened the door and let us know yo, look, this is really how it's going down. Then NWA and Quickenham came and gave us more detail of LA culture.

Speaker 2 48:22

So how do we feel about Q? What does General Ocasio-Central say to us on Q and DOC then?

Speaker 3 48:30

Q to me is another pioneer, because I think I just saw a clip of him talking about uh, no, vaseline, it's the best diss track ever, and before that you can't really say it was a diss track. That was that descriptive and that hard and that's coming at your own people. You know what I mean. Like you know them and they know you.

Speaker 2 48:56

Right.

Speaker 3 48:58

To say what he said to them is like yo what.

Speaker 4 49:02

It was easy to get personal with him. Very easy to get personal. It's too easy.

Speaker 3 49:09

He's from Texas. You know what I'm saying. You know, Texas don't get a lot of credit. They don't get credit because I don't know why because Scarface is really a ghost. He's really.

Speaker 2 49:23

You know, what. I mean.

Speaker 3 49:26

He's it. And I'm pretty sure DOC looked at Scarface and was like this is it? But he had to move because at that time nobody was looking at Texas, even when Scarface was out.

Speaker 4 49:39

They thought he was from West Coast. At one point People thought he was.

Speaker 3 49:41

West Coast Scarface album was crazy to me.

Speaker 5 49:45

Over and top, I was like.

Speaker 3 49:49

I'm listening to you going to work. Don't bother me. You know what I mean when you put that work. So don't bother me. You know what I mean when you put that on now real quick, shawnee.

Speaker 1 49:58

Why did you mention DOC?

Speaker 2 50:02

because we're talking about?

Hip Hop Influence and Impact

Speaker 2 50:05

we're talking about NWA, so I want to make sure the writers get their credit oh, alright that's why, because if we're talking about influence, then we have to talk about who wrote the words of the influencer. So that's another person who might get lost in the shuffle every now and again. Because if we're talking about being a pioneer and in in building a voice in hip-hop and I can say right, because we're all aware of the traps that have been set, how we may feel NWA is a part of that, we may feel BWA was a part of that. We're on the same page with this. But, at the same token, you can't deny a truism and you can't deny a truism an opportunity to express itself.

Speaker 2 51:00

So, for better or for worse, these are the individuals that we have to look to and say, well, thank you for shining that light, even if I didn't want to look into that room. Thank you for shining that light, even if I didn't want to look into that room. Thank you for shining that light. So that's why I'm saying, okay, well, what's up, doc? I got to throw you in there too, and that's why I'm loving the conversation, because it shows you how much you actually have to look into this question before you just start rambling off, you know, or before you just start accepting BET's top 50, or you know, or before you just start accepting bts top 50, or you know, gotta be a top 10 or whatever. Nah, these they're not having conversations like this where we're trying to make sure we don't forget people. Yeah, exactly right now.

Speaker 3 51:49

Let me ask when do we add?

Speaker 2 51:51

people.

Speaker 3 51:54

Because outside, let's just all right, I'm going to be biased. I'm going to just say, all right, let's not include any drill rap, because none of them will have a discography to 50 years from now to how we go to shows. And I can go listen to Cube, you know what I'm saying. Or I can listen to Fat Joe. Let's talk about adding new people, let's move on from the coast. Because let's say, all right, new York, you said Mase, right, mase was wild. So all right, let's start a new top five, because they're the.

Speaker 3 52:29

Mase right.

Speaker 2 52:30

Yeah, you want to do it by curse? Ayo, I'm not. I am not opposed to putting Mase on a top five list. I am not opposed to it. Mase has been doing this since a teenager. Mase has been a part of maybe two to three different hip hop groups. Mase has already lost a homie to hip hop and Mase's pen was the rebirth of feel good music for bad boy, and his pen sparked a whole revolution for a small part of the borough that was almost dying out. I will never say Mase don't belong While we're here. So so let's say we say Mase don't belong in the top 10, if you're talking it over.

Speaker 3 53:16

While we're here. So let's say we got Mase.

Speaker 2 53:18

You said you were influenced right. Mase is influential right.

Speaker 3 53:24

Yes extremely, very much. You know he at that time in the 90s he was very influential right. Now, this person I'm about to mention is probably one of the non-lyrical person ever, but Nori, when, nori, when what's the first album came out, him and Capone Okay.

Speaker 2 53:50

You're not talking about Noriega. You're talking about Como Gaddafi. No, no, no. I'm talking about Noriega.

Speaker 3 53:54

You're talking about Como Gaddafi no, no, no, I'm talking about Noriega, no, I'm saying when I say that I mean that Como Gaddafi is the pin behind the CNN War Report album for Noriega let's skip that album because that's another album that's like top tier. But when Capone got locked up and Norby was on his own, the NORE album was very influential in 1998. We can't skip that.

Speaker 2 54:26

I'm not saying that it's not influential, but I would never. Me personally, norby was extremely influential, but influence can't be the overall guiding factor. Like Norby's lyrics, is not it? That N-O-R-E album, is not it?

Speaker 4 54:47

Can I add something?

Speaker 2 54:48

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 54:50

Here's what I'm going to say. I'm a Big 50 fan, right, mm-hmm, we love Get Rich or Die Trying, but Scratch that the best album to say I'm a big 50 fan, right, we love Get Rich or Die trying, but Scratch that. The best album to me was Power of a Dollar from 50.

Speaker 2 55:00

Power of a Dollar.

Speaker 3 55:01

I've heard Power of a Dollar. To be honest with you, Power of a.

Speaker 5 55:05

Dollar. That's not his best album to me, though. To me that was a hard album. It was super hard but we got to give Nori his credit. It was super hard but we gotta give Nori his credit. We gotta give Nori his credit because if you remember that summer in 98, I don't know if anybody else remember that summer in 98.

Speaker 4 55:23

It was everywhere. Super Thug was everywhere.

Speaker 5 55:25

Not even Super Thug. That album was the summer of you.

Speaker 2 55:31

Was it the lyrics or was it the production? At that time, nori was working almost exclusively with Neptunes, so is it the marriage of Neptunes and the Noriega sound, along with the reputation, actually, or is it Noriega? Noriega's a smart dude. I'm not trying to take nothing away from Norie. I like Norie, but I'm a fan of the Lord, so I know when the part that the people, the lyrics that people really love from Norby those is Komo Gaddafi's writings for him. They almost even fought on drink champs or not on drink champs on drink champs. They almost had a fight over that because Komo Gaddafi brought it up Like yo, why you don't let people know. That's why, when it comes to Nori, it's like entertainment value through the roof, representative value through the roof.

Speaker 5 56:46

I have to correct you on that, n-o-r-e-r, that Tunes did one record on that entire album.

Speaker 2 56:51

Okay, but what record was that? That was Super Thug. Was Super Thug not the joint that took the summer over? No, that's the single that they spent the most money on, with the video, and they had him out in the desert with the helicopters, and all what I'm trying to say is that it's more, it's a big production when it comes to him. To me, that's what I'm trying to say is that it's more, it's a big production when it comes to him. To me, that's what I'm saying. His impact, yes, I can't deny his impact. No, but I get you on that Super Thug was the single.

Speaker 5 57:25

Banned from TV was the record in the streets.

Speaker 2 57:29

No, banned from TV, was the record in the streets, but we not gonna act like Super Thug was the record in the streets, but we not gonna act like Super Thug was the record in the. We not gonna act like Super Thug was the record in the street and in the club.

Speaker 5 57:38

We not gonna say that we not gonna say that, cause that's the joint that had the major video.

Speaker 2 57:43

Come on now. That's one of the that had the major video, and I'm gonna tell you something else why we talking about being from TV? Why we talking about being from TV? Why are we talking about being from TV? Noriega also needed help with that push. I don't know if y'all remember, but him and Cam'ron was a combination that they was pushing for many. Oh boy.

Speaker 5 58:05

They were because they were going on tour together. You got to remember they were still both Cam and Noriega. They both dropped albums in 98. Norie dropped in July. He dropped the first week in July. Mtv had the streets and Cam dropped in August with Confessions of Fire.

Speaker 3 58:24

Yeah.

Speaker 5 58:25

So they were going on tour together and Norie was on Cam's album, cam and Norie's album. But Norie, in the streets of New York City city, nori had that summer on fire all right, I just don't see that.

Speaker 2 58:46

I don't. I'm not taking away from his impact, never, never from the impact, I'm just saying from the how you get there right. Okay, like, let's build it up. Let's build it up. La, la, big city of dreams. Let's build it up 97. I'll build it, let's build it up right. 36. We talking about, if I'm not mistaken, the first to come out of the city and defend it when niggas was kicking our buildings down or whatever, whatever, them niggas was the first niggas to pop out and say what the fuck they had to say. So I don't got no, it ain't no disrespect to it. You know the man building it up. He's building it up nicely, the scene in the war report. It's beautiful, it's building lovely. I'm just saying I have a discrepancy with the climb when he had to do it by himself. That's all. I'm not a fan of the lyrics.

Speaker 5 59:45

But you got to get At all Okay.

Speaker 2 59:47

But if that's the case, you got to put a mark on Eazy-E because but I said that that was one of the first things that I said when I brought up Ice-T Because Eazy-E lands in the middle of reality and the person that can write it and he's the person that represents it, he's in the middle. There's beat production, there's the, there's the person who wrote the lyrics and then there's the guy that everybody knows actually represents the lyrics, so so his, his slot is solidified and influenced only only. Like there's separation till, like there are people who have been hella influential, but that don't mean that they going in top 10 lists and they were going in top 20 lists. Like, like, say, like, say, like um, who had the, who had the, who had the, the, the yearly wrap up before uncle murder um mad scale that that was hella influential because everybody was waiting on that joint to drop every year, right, mm-hmm, is he on any of y'all's list?

Speaker 2 1:00:54

He was never on my list. Ah, that's my point. So there comes a point where influence is just not enough, or the consistency of a one-trick pony. Just don't keep the circus rolling as long as it should at some point. You know what I mean. So like, yeah, influence, wise learning how to learn and learn in a game, learning how to stay afloat. I would never take none of that from norby um in proper representation of what going on outside. I'd never take none of that from him, but I just don't like the way he put it together Lyrically. I get that.

Speaker 5 1:01:30

Okay, but Nori's impact and influence and and he brought reggae tone to hip hop.

Speaker 2 1:01:37

And there's no denying that. There's no denying that, there's no, there's no, there's no denying that. But then again that goes toward influence. Can you tell me about any of the other albums? Yes, I can. Can anybody?

Speaker 5 1:01:54

else know I can tell you about Gramey. I can tell you about the Noriega the Albright. After Noriega, the Grimey season, the one after that, partman 4E. I can tell you all budgets here in Noriega.

Speaker 2 1:02:15

I can't.

Speaker 4 1:02:15

Melvin Flint was a good one.

Speaker 2 1:02:18

Melvin Flint was alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah, melvin Flint was alright, melvin. Flint was alright, but it yeah. Yeah, you can't touch something on Melvin Flynn, melvin Flynn was hot, can we get, but it took a while for me to agree with you on that, though. Like you feel where I'm coming from, like it took a while for me to come around doing that though.

Speaker 3 1:02:36

See, but the fact that we still arguing about Nori is me and he somewhat influenced you, right. So into right, so we can put him there Right Now. Let's say Jeezy. When Jeezy came out, he was hella influential.

Speaker 1 1:02:50

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:02:51

Alright, and that's what that's going to be.

Speaker 4 1:02:56

Y'all had t-shirts. Don't tell me you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 1:03:00

And then the Can't Bear the Snowman mixtape.

Speaker 2 1:03:04

Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 1:03:07

Okay. So let's say and then, because we got to start, there's going to be other new lists and other new artists. Because, as much as we like with us, we know the pioneers are the pioneers. They stay where they at. We know Dead or Alive pioneers Kool G, krs, rakim we know it was just a pioneer it's going to get to a point where our top five people are going to look at it like nah, you bugger your top five ain't shit. Lil Wayne, for the kids is hold to what hold did for us. You know what I'm saying. So we're going to have to start looking at other artists and being really I want to say respectful, because even though they got influence from, from our peers, our top five, they are somebody's top five now and you've got a record, but you brought a wing main is definitely, you know, even though he's younger than all of us, he, sir, he, he had a run where he literally stayed in the studio or they probably didn't eat, didn't shower, didn't do nothing but rap, as after hope did the whole I'm retiring.

Speaker 3 1:04:19

and then he came up with the best rapper last and the best rapper retired he ran with that and literally marathoned the whole thing.

Speaker 2 1:04:30

You nominating Wayne.

Speaker 3 1:04:32

I'm going to nominate Wayne because, like I said, our top five is going to start fading out.

Speaker 2 1:04:40

I second Wayne. Wayne got so many teams you know what I'm saying got so many kids you know what I'm saying, like Ross is influencing you too.

Speaker 3 1:04:50

You know what I'm saying. You gotta look at that, because from his first album to now, he's amazing what rules do we keep in cause?

Speaker 2 1:05:04

I'm not a. What rules do we keep in yo, like? What rules do we keep it? What rule, what, what? Because I'm not a, I do basically. What rules do we keep it yo, like what? What rules are we keeping when it, when it comes?

Speaker 3 1:05:12

I guess we gotta talk about influence, because at a certain point, like our, our pioneers and our top five, we can always go back to their discography and listen to them 50 years from now and know the word for the word. But eventually it's going to fade out. You know what I'm saying. So we're going to have to start saying well, it can't be just five, it can't be just five.

Speaker 4 1:05:38

Does that have to have a catalog of work discography to make them top five?

Speaker 2 1:05:42

Or can it? Be, I would say it has a catalog, because you just can't have like one boom and then he out.

Speaker 4 1:05:50

Can I talk about a movement that was stopped? That could have been an impact? Nigga, they hate me for this, I say Max B.

Speaker 5 1:05:58

At one point. So he's part of the Dipset movement.

Speaker 2 1:06:02

Wait, but why would niggas hate you? Why would anybody like Wavy was? Wavy was really building something Like like like hold on, like like whoa, like that's. That's unimaginable to even say he had a Wavy was building something Influential why, yeah, he's.

Speaker 5 1:06:24

No, I'm not saying influential, but his influence came from the influence of Dipset, so to me he's just the offspring of Dipset.

Speaker 1 1:06:32

Peace.

Speaker 2 1:06:32

Samuel Nah nah Peace Samuel.

Speaker 4 1:06:37

I hear you.

Speaker 2 1:06:41

I think people got that a little conflicted. I think B really already had a name conflicted. I think B really already had a name for himself. All those people that already followed Max B already followed Max B. That wasn't the dip set.

Speaker 4 1:06:56

What's Khalifa saying influenced him.

Speaker 5 1:06:58

He got his foot in through the door through dip set. Okay, yeah, there's no argument there. He got his foot in through these guys. So I'm gonna say the same thing for little rain. You had a little wobbly wobbly, but you didn't get smoking hot. So you came up here, started rocking with the harlem dudes no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 1:07:20

That 400 degrees album is nah. I can, can't say that. I was just knocking the block and tight. I'm talking about three days ago. Three days ago, I just was knocking the block and tight.

Speaker 1 1:07:32

We didn't start with you else, bro.

Speaker 2 1:07:35

Nah, man, no man, it's hard to change the old Weezy bro, the old Weezy bro, the old Weezy bro the old Weezy and the block is hot.

Speaker 5 1:07:44

The block is hot. After that, the block is hot run. He faded for a bit Because nobody was bumping lights out and all of that. He started quietly coming back with the squad up mixtapes or whatever. But then he got with Gilly in them for Ghost Right and the Carter 1 and the Carter 2. Then he started hanging with Jules because Dipset was smoking hot, uh-huh. And then he picked up an up north swag and brought it down south.

Speaker 2 1:08:16

Right, okay, there's no arguments with that timeline.

Speaker 1 1:08:19

Real quick before we wrap this up, because you know the show is an hour right Now. I want to do this again A part two, because you know the show is an hour right Now. I want to do this again A part two because Trevor made a good, good point, because the top fives as we get older, our top five is not going to matter anymore. So I think we should go through the generations and go top five, top five, top ten, I'm with that.

Speaker 4 1:08:43

I say Joey Badass, oh go through the generations and go top five, top five, top ten. I'm with that. For the young dudes I say Joey Badass.

Speaker 2 1:08:49

For the young dudes I got and I'm definitely not going to call you wrong for that, Joey is the underground gold. I got that number one.

Speaker 1 1:08:59

We're going to do this again, but before we cut out, y'all got to hear Mac Miller underground.

Speaker 3 1:09:04

I love it. Hold on, hold it.

Speaker 1 1:09:05

Hold that Trev. Hold that for the next one. Yo my top five Sugar Free oh shit.

Speaker 2 1:09:18

Come on. Come on, sugar Free. One of them niggas I might get forgot about. If you like that pimp, talk. If you like a nigga that can beat with his feet and rap nigga, then come on. B, come on nigga.

Speaker 1 1:09:30

That's his soul, bro, lyrically, you got to hear what he's talking about. He can help you out now. He can help you out. Listen, listen to me. First album, second third, whatever is your first album, second third, whatever Tupac, but Tupac is number one. I'm going to do my order right. So I got Tupac up top Hov right underneath Tupac, okay, okay. And then right underneath Tupac, I got Sean, right underneath Hoac. I got Sean Right underneath Hove. I got Sean Price Monkey balls, monkey balls.

Speaker 4 1:10:14

I don't want a Dougie, I just want the money Steady under the 120.

Speaker 5 1:10:19

On the score, Scott.

Speaker 1 1:10:23

So I got, I got Pop Hov Sean.

Speaker 2 1:10:28

Price and Sugar and Sugar Free not yet.

Speaker 1 1:10:33

Not yet Casual from Hieroglyphics that's five nah, yeah, we said Casual whoa from Hieroglyphics.

Speaker 5 1:10:44

Nah yeah, we said casual Whoa Hieroglyphics.

Speaker 1 1:10:50

It was big game, bro. Listen to that, brother. And then at the end of that, at the end of that list, is sugar free.

Speaker 5 1:10:58

Can I say one person that I never hear nobody talk about that never gets the respect that he deserves. Who my man Tretch?

Speaker 2 1:11:05

Oh, man yeah you know, what I like about Tretch.

Speaker 3 1:11:14

Tretch was gritty, but he found his niche to be one of those artists where he can perform until he's going to die on stage Every song that he put out. He can go forever. He can do a festival, he can do a winter show, he can do anything. Travis on point.

Speaker 2 1:11:38

How you feel about Vinny, because I think Vinny is trying to step on too, vinny is on such a pitch and Vinny is all Trench's pick.

Speaker 3 1:11:46

And then, yes, he get a lot of that. Eminem get a lot of his style from Trench. All those words that Eminem did. Trench did that and we didn't even realize it because we looked at it back in the day. Like you from Jersey, you ain't supposed to be doing what we doing.

Speaker 2 1:12:03

That's a fact.

Speaker 1 1:12:05

Did Trench ever do a versus no?

Speaker 5 1:12:07

but you don't want to do Tretch.

Speaker 3 1:12:11

He's going to come out with the dog chain around his neck and forehead.

Speaker 1 1:12:17

Would Tretch and 50 Cent be a good versus 50's good?

Speaker 2 1:12:22

Nah, 50 is smoking, 50's going to lose.

Speaker 5 1:12:26

Tretch got to beat.

Speaker 3 1:12:27

Ethanrey's got the new anthem, trey's got Trey's got. Trey's got two new verses.

Speaker 2 1:12:36

You talking about who knows what songs, though. Trey's hip hop anthems, Every single one of them, Okay, but so does 56. 56 got mad hip-hop anthems he has in his head. You can't tell me how. The Rob ain't stuck in anybody's heart, bro. Like he got some joints man. He got some joints man.

Speaker 1 1:13:01

Hold on hold on hold on Greatest anthem of hip-hop. Right, trey's got a lot of anthems.

Speaker 3 1:13:06

You got a lot of anthems the crowd is are you down with OPP?

Speaker 2 1:13:10

Yeah, you know, All right, but wait. What generation of people are you going to ask?

Speaker 3 1:13:15

You're going to get, you're going to listen, you're going to get listened.

Speaker 2 1:13:18

Listen, listen, you're going to get a third generation of people that's going to know exactly what OPP is about. If 50 things don't open in his mouth, he's going to be rapping from 90, what? 95, 96, 97 to 2000 and what.

Speaker 3 1:13:39

But let me tell you, I don't think none of these people know how to ball 2020 something 2022. But if you say, the youth will learn the acronym OPP and be like oh snap, I'm smashing, I'm killing shorty, I'm killing homeboy, joint OPP, they'll remix it and be like KPP killing other people. It'd be crazy what they would do to that. When you say who's down with OPP, I don't think all these young dudes know how to rock.

Speaker 2 1:14:14

Nah, nah. What I'm saying is, the young dudes may not know how to rock, right, but I bet you they know the themes on the power. That's fine. I bet you they know that. I bet you they know the themes on the power. That's fine, I bet you they know that. I bet you my bottom dollar. I bet you my bottom dollar, they know that.

Speaker 3 1:14:31

I bet you they know the game with him and Chris Brown. I bet that.

Speaker 2 1:14:36

They know Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 1:14:38

Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 1:14:41

I bet they know those, that's a power theme, bro.

Speaker 4 1:14:45

Yo, let's wrap this up, but let's wrap this up, let's wrap this up, we're going to come back next week.

Speaker 1 1:14:50

Next week Tuesday.

Speaker 5 1:14:52

Same time same place. It's a pleasure my brother Going back into the top five dead or alive, going into the 2000s with the top five dead or alive.

Speaker 4 1:15:01

Styles P Don't forget Styles P we out.

Speaker 2 1:15:07

I had a blast fellas. I can't wait to lock in next Tuesday yo.

Speaker 3 1:15:11

Thank you, man, anytime bro, I'll let you know everything is done so I can talk to you.