Diddy Allegations, Celebrity Influence, and Debating the N-Word Kai Cenat

Can you trust everything you hear about a celebrity? We're kicking off today's episode with a provocative question: Are the latest allegations against Diddy just a ploy for financial gain? Join us as we scrutinize the claims involving 120 victims and a nine-year-old, dissecting inconsistencies and exploring the possible motives behind the scandal. We also give a shoutout to our fantastic audience and share our thoughts on West Side Gun's new album, "Who Made the Sunshine," highlighting the track "96 Sabres."

Next, we navigate the murky waters of celebrity influence and moral complexities in Hollywood. From Drew Barrymore's tumultuous early years to Robert Downey Jr.'s struggles, we examine how the pressures of fame can lead to destructive behaviors. We also debate the troubling trend of tarnishing successful black figures before they're even given a fair trial. This leads us to question how societal norms are shaped by the media and the disturbing culture that often emerges within the entertainment industry.

Finally, we confront the sensitive and deeply controversial topic of the N-word. We examine its historical roots and current usage, debating who has the right to use it and its impact on the Black community and society at large. This conversation is not just about a word; it’s about power, respect, and the ongoing struggle for equality. Tune in as we reflect on whether the term can ever be reclaimed or if it's a relic best left behind.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Discussion on Diddy and Current Events
• 7:30 Discussion on Celebrity Influence and Power
• 15:21 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 16:00 (Cont.) Discussion on Celebrity Influence and Power
• 21:39 Power, Influence, and Morality
• 24:46 Wealth, Limits, and Industry Influence
• 39:38 Debating the Use of the N-Word
• 53:41 Debating the Use of the N-Word
• 1:05:41 Exploring the Complexities of the N-Word

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Peace world. How you doing. How you doing this is your boy, mikey Fever, live in effect. Welcome to NYP Podcast. The rest of the brothers are about to come. Welcome to the show. Nyp Talk Show. Baby Opposition waiting for our illustrious panel to come on. Hope you had a great day today. My name is Austin, the host. Mikey Fever, brother Ron, you joining Clip Shawnee, who last traveled on their way, dick Bruh Yo, we are here, man, we are live man. What a day today. Talk about Diddy, damn Diddy. All these allegations.

Speaker 3: 1:02

Damn Diddy, damn Diddy.

Speaker 4: 1:06

What you doing, diddy.

Speaker 3: 1:06

Damn Diddy what you doing, Diddy, you crazy man. Hold on, we need you to get trapped in the middle of this shit, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:15

Shout out to the panel. Shout out to our new Pays in the Building. Shout out to Jazz, the homie Killer, jazz in the Building. What's up, mama?

Speaker 3: 1:35

We need you brothers to act. Man, let's go, Yo. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? Peace. To everybody in the chat. Who we got in the chat tonight we got Arnil Bay. We got Arnil Bay to everybody in the chat. Who we got in the chat tonight we got Arnel Bay we got Arnel Bay. Just the jazz in the building. Jazz is in the building.

Speaker 1: 1:51

Yeah, why be more?

Speaker 3: 1:53

Yeah, what's going on? More Peoria in the building. We got Peoria we got Brooklyn. We got Carmedale in the building. Where's jazz from Brooklyn? Yeah, my block, brooklyn, okay, damn. Yes, come on, man, y'all. Can't see all that, y'all can't see all that.

Speaker 1: 2:11

See what you got going on, man Ron. You having one of those parties, man no no, don't do that. Don't ditty on me, don't ditty.

Speaker 3: 2:24

Hold on a second hold on a second hold on we're on we're not, ditty, like brothers and we're not slandering the brother.

Speaker 1: 2:33

We just we don't. We don't function in that capacity. Nah, we don't. We don't do that ditty we don't do the ditty.

Speaker 3: 2:38

yo check this out, man, let's talk about it. How do we start it off? What's going on? Everybody, it's Ron Brown at LMT, the People's Fitness, the Lord Saba co-host. Welcome baby Mikey B on the radio and YP Talk Show. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Yo what's going on, yo what up.

Speaker 5: 2:56

Shawnee Mikey was good.

Speaker 1: 2:59

I like that background, man, I like that background you made the sunshine, yeah, background man, I like that background. Who made the sunshine? What's my track on that? On the album he said no Diddy Party.

Speaker 3: 3:13

I'm grateful for life.

Speaker 5: 3:16

I just shared it Yo, mikey you really be knowing what you be knowing. Jeece, I gotta give you that yo you be knowing, what you be knowing yo that album's a tough album.

Speaker 1: 3:25

My favorite track one day is 96 Sabres. They went off on that one.

Speaker 5: 3:29

Oh yeah, what album Get up man who made the sunshine.

Speaker 4: 3:35

What album is that? Oh, you talking about the good I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 3:38

West.

Speaker 1: 3:38

Side Gun.

Speaker 5: 3:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's talking about West. Yeah, West Side Gun Boom, boom, boom boom boom boom boom, boom.

Speaker 1: 3:45

He be dropping that lingo in there, he from the streets.

Speaker 5: 3:50

Yeah yeah, he from the streets.

Speaker 3: 3:56

He like dang, add it up, dog. Let's talk about Diddy man. Let's talk about Diddy real quick. First of all, 120 victims. They say 120 victims. They say 120 victims. They say Yikes, yo, what's going on? Clip Boom, boom, boom boom boom boom, boom, boom. Clip what up Yo 120. Hold on one second.

Speaker 5: 4:23

Hey, yo Clip you laying out on the concrete or two. What's going on, you? You playing Apollo.

Speaker 2: 4:31

I'm on my bum. Nigga shit right now, right what?

Speaker 1: 4:36

up Killer Cliff.

Speaker 3: 4:37

Yo Tired man. So hold on, hold on. Let's talk about it Diddy 120 victims. What y'all think about that? It diddy 120 victims. Which I think about that man 120 victims? I don't believe it super yikes.

Speaker 1: 4:49

There's too much going on, man I don't believe me.

Speaker 4: 4:53

Neither I don't believe that, or nor the nine-year-old. No, I believe so what?

Speaker 3: 5:01

what do you think? So the nine-year-old? What happened with that?

Speaker 1: 5:03

anyone, anyone know, know what's going on with that With that Get him a lace drink and said some things Like if you want to be the star, I can make you a star.

Speaker 2: 5:11

Where is that Without their parents To be getting laced drinks? I'm like None of this makes sense.

Speaker 4: 5:18

Exactly Nah, we Nah, but we know a lot. My fucker had to wear bad I feel like they're trying to do. I think this is what happened. They said prior to the 120 victims and the nine-year-old Puffs allegedly fired his old, the previous lawyer he had, and got a whole new legal team Right. We don't know who's on this legal team. I'm just hoping it's, like some, the best of the best, because the lawyer he had looked like Max B Lawyer. No disrespect to Max.

Speaker 5: 5:57

You're going to jail, that's loyal. Shoot, got a gun on him, boy.

Speaker 4: 6:04

Yes, Pause, but the 120, I think they just coming up with people. I think it look like a money thing. It's a civil case 120 people trying to get him for his bread. I don't think that's going to work. And then the nine-year-old like Cliff said, who the hell is letting a nine-year-old at Diddy's house? Mind you, he keeps cameras and security everywhere. That shit just don't make sense.

Speaker 3: 6:32

Yo, before we go more Ah Diddy. Oh my God, I gotta watch what I say around that name. Before we talk more about Diddy have anyone anybody heard about Little Reese getting more time?

Speaker 5: 6:46

Nah, I didn't hear anything about that.

Speaker 1: 6:50

The last thing I heard about that dude and it's sad is that when I heard he got shot in the neck or something like that yeah, but that was a while ago, yeah, that was a minute ago. I'm going to tell you I don't keep up with these young cats.

Speaker 5: 7:00

Yeah, I ain't got tapped in on Reese Neva like that, though I I ain't got to tap in on Reese Neville like that though I don't care.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Play dumb games, win dumb prizes, I don't care. Like I'm going to just keep it above. No disrespect to him, you know what I'm saying. Like. But we got to stop glorifying these, giving these dumb like I'm not going to call him dumb, but we got to stop giving dumb actions light Now hold on FBG Butter.

Speaker 3: 7:25

I know FBG Butter, he's in, he's in prison right now. Something like that I forgot, but you know, back back to talking about Diddy. So back to talking about Diddy. One hundred and twenty victims, trev. You say I don't know about that clip. You say you don't know about that either. What's your take on it, shawnee?

Speaker 5: 7:43

I't know yo because all right yo just you know devil's advocate on that point. Right there's a lot of people that'll do a lot of things. You know what I'm saying to, to, to get ahead and and maybe, maybe, selling your child might be one of them, man I'm just saying things like that like, oh yeah, no, I'm saying I mean sacrifices will be made, man and and, and the same such as us would say nah, like, nah.

Speaker 5: 8:13

But there are people that are out there that are desperate, bro, that'll do anything like. So there's always that aspect. I never want to shy away from that aspect, right, but then it's like. It's like you said, who's letting their kids around this? Like, who's letting that happen? I have a tough time believing somebody would let their baby attend. So, bring they, bring their baby to that. You know what I'm saying. But then again, right, we have whoa well, listen though we do have, like the drew barrymores of the world. Right, that was a thing, no, but that that was a thing though. Right, like they're being introduced. We have the robert downey juniors of the world, right, like, like people who are introduced to drinking and drugging at an early age, who are around the the celebrity lifestyle.

Speaker 4: 9:03

But charlie, I want to interrupt you real quick because you mentioned.

Speaker 4: 9:07

Drew Barrymore, you mentioned Robert Downey Jr. Now, first, robert Downey Jr he was born into Hollywood. His pop was a famous director, so he's been around. I don't know about the drugs and things like that. Real quick, y'all need to watch, I think, the last documentary Robert Downey Jr did regarding his father, his death. It's dope.

Speaker 4: 9:33

Second, I just think we deal again we're still dealing with a black man who's successful, so you've got to embarrass him and taint his whole. Look before he go to trial. You know what I'm saying, because Puff been so polished for so many. Puff was just talking what a couple months ago, if it wasn't like last year, about $1,000 haircuts and some wild shit like that and had the world in a frenzy over some, get you cut for $1,000. This man has been polished. He knows the ins and outs. He, he's not dumb. He's not dumb, he doesn't. He knows the industry. So for him to say to have, uh, minors, I don't even think he's even into that. And and it we're, we're in our 40s, right, we all looked at a youngin at one point. You know what I'm saying. We may not have went after him, but some people are just into young. I don't think it's that.

Speaker 3: 10:31

Hold on, hold on Time out. This is the end. You can't just say that.

Speaker 1: 10:36

Yeah we got it.

Speaker 4: 10:39

What do?

Speaker 5: 10:39

you mean.

Speaker 5: 10:44

I get your point, but you can't brush over the fact that them kids listen. If them kids was there, then them kids is kids that grew up in Hollywood as well, because those is not just run-of-the-mill kids, those ain't just kids from the block or kids from up the street or kids that was trick or treating. No, those kids are people who are connected and who are trying to go further up in whatever realm that they decided they want to go further up in. And so, yeah, and like I said, the Drew Barrymore thing, we know that's documented. And the Robert Downey Jr thing is highly documented.

Speaker 5: 11:23

The Joaquin Phoenixoenix uh uh, what's his brother? What's his brother? They're just playing the joker currently, like. So we know that. We know that in that culture because we're gonna call it what it is a lot of people like to think it's a job, but no, it's not, it's a culture. It's a lot of, it's a lot of things that happen behind those doors that only those people understand and we don't. That's how they move and it just so happens that they put it in front of the TV and people, they give it to you as entertainment, but it's not really as people celebrate and how they live. That's that's. It is what it is and they put it in your face and because of the way it's placed in the society, society we are somehow forced in some manner to celebrate it.

Speaker 5: 12:10

But looking at, it for what it really is sexual deviant, right. When we look at it for what it really is, is highly skilled liars, true, right? These are people who get paid to to play on your emotions. I'm just calling it what it is. These are people who get paid to play on your emotions. I'm just calling it what it is. These are people who get paid to play on your emotions and then, when you really think about it, certain movies come out at certain times to play on your emotions, to have you think about certain things, certain songs, certain types. I was thinking about it like this A lot of people like to say hip-hop and the destruction of people, but then they don't.

Speaker 5: 12:43

They want to say that they approach it as if that technique is new or just caters to hip-hop. Right, because I would argue that if we want to talk about the 70s and how there was like a lot of love, a lot of love music, a lot of making love music there there was a lot of war going on at that time. There was a lot of love, a lot of love music, a lot of making love music there. There was a lot of war going on at that time. There was a lot of schools being shut down and there was a lot of need for soldiers at that time. So why not have black people make love music, to make more people with? They're not going to have the proper education to actually climb in this society, and what? What would they'll do? They'll, they'll be.

Speaker 5: 13:22

So when I look at it from that angle you know what I'm saying it kind of makes sense to me to see somebody doing something so devious to gain such a devious power. The control over the society is what we're talking about here, and if someone can give you an inkling of that and say this is what I need from you and you already down, because these is a lot of people that's down, right, these is people that will do things that we not built to do for this attention. And if I could grab you by that and then I could make you see that, you know, I can give you just a glimpse of power, right, what would you give me now? Okay, but somebody will give up something.

Speaker 4: 14:10

But you you say like this is let's say the neighbors, let's just if, if you're on that block, that puff is living on any one of those areas. We're not talking about nobody who really needs their child to be seen because most likely that neighborhood has that status, and you're not just walking in Puff's backyard just off the strength because it's a party going on and nobody knows what's going on. I know they say at these parties there's a the party, the after party and then the party right, you know I'm saying so.

Speaker 4: 14:52

Like I said this nine-year-old thing, I swear. I feel like it's just a gimmick to just tarnish his name because trial hasn't started yet now but if, if that oh sorry, no, no, we Puffer. For how long We've watched his career go from damn near bad to worse to great to greater. To this, that nine-year-old would have been came out around the same time he moved when the girl got shot at the club, probably.

Speaker 5: 15:51

No, because you're talking about exposing a plethora of people at that point in time. That's what you're talking about exposing when you, when you bring one person out. That's why everybody is so scared now, because when you bring one person out into the light, it's going to shine. So at that point in time the power is a little bit stronger, see, now. See, now you can't really hide things because there's cameras everywhere. So you can't hide things like you could hide before, before you could hide things before.

Speaker 5: 16:20

The money was listen, the money talk. He paid for that video, for him beating cassie up to go away. That video was here for over like 10 years or something like that. That video was away, for that video was away for a little while. But. But but what I'm trying to say is the money, the, the influence, the, the swing. And like you say you're not if you live next to puff, believe you me, you did some things to get there too. Like you're not innocent, you did some things that whoever's on the left or whoever's on the right, they did some things to get in them houses, like, let's be real, and nine times out of ten, if you neighbors, you been there, you there too.

Speaker 1: 17:01

So people letting people tickle their butt for fame and fortune?

Speaker 5: 17:04

Yo is this, is this, is this, like that's not news, like you know what I'm saying. Yo, yo, no, yo, listen, listen, people do that at mcdonald's. They get manager positions. Yo like, come on d for french fries like this is wild real talk, real talk. People do things to climb. Jack, like that's just real talk.

Speaker 5: 17:26

People do things to climb you know, and I know it sounds devastating, right, sounds, but I think there is that epstein allen thing, right, that thing out there like we're not going. Just that was. There was that whole cambodia uh, a debacle that was. That was in the early 2000s, where a bunch of people got caught going over there like like, come on now can we ask, can we say something before?

Speaker 1: 17:52

can we? Can we say this, though? To me, I think it's based on your morals and principles that you were raised with. Let's keep it real, I'd rather. For me, I'd rather hang around 30 killers than anybody that's out there violating, raping women or children. I'd rather hang out with killers. That's just me. No, I hear you, because, as Hov said, said, you are who you are before you got here. If you, if you're gonna put a price on yourself for money to lose your conscience, to do certain things against your principles, you're sick but that's how they got there in the first place though.

Speaker 5: 18:28

Money over morals, that's how it's always been. Money over morals, that's how they got there.

Speaker 5: 18:33

that's like yo. You know you, yo. You know who taught me that. I used to pardon me because I'm going to slide back. Pardon me. I used to bowl. It's knocking off man. I used to bowl on 161st Street, right, and it was this kid. So we go back, we like nine, 10 years old or whatever. Whatever you know, he was pretty decent with a bowling ball. He could, you know, fast forward.

Speaker 5: 18:59

We men now with bills and rent to pay, I'm getting money on 111, between 7th and 8th, right, and I'm looking for somebody to play a corner and look out. You know what I'm saying. I need someone to look out. I'm like yo, bro. I end up bumping into him on 125th Street. I'm like yo. Now, mind you, when I see him, he asking for change, he asking for money, he like yo. You know who got a dollar, who got a quarter this, that and third, this, his hustle. I'm like yo. Why you don't just come with me, bro? I put some money in your pocket and you ain't even got to do nothing, you just got to let me know, just keep me aware. He like your thoughts. Listen. I'd rather stand out here and beg and plead. I'd rather stand out here and beg and plead before I do anything like what you do.

Speaker 4: 19:51

So now that's a man with morals, but we all got morals. It's just you know some people's morals are different. You know what I'm saying. Like we don't all know the people we hang around to. You got to understand that Because just because you can hang around, 30 killers some of them dudes be on some sucker shit sometimes, you know a lot of people behind closed doors be into different things you don't know about. So when they come around, you only know them for getting. You know I'm saying for, but I'm just saying like we don't really know a lot of time to people you hang on because when they come back around Yo, you heard that shit about such-and-such son like, nah, do that, that's my man. I know him for doing this, I know him for doing this. He don't look like the type that be messing with the kids you know I'm saying yeah, but that'd be the same.

Speaker 5: 20:44

Go for them dudes too, though. That same go for the folk up top who will be behind the most closed doors, the heavy wood, oak closed doors that might take you 15 minutes to pull open. They can hide everything before you get that door open.

Speaker 4: 20:58

Right now I get what you're saying. I'm just saying, like you know.

Speaker 1: 21:00

That's a brief.

Speaker 4: 21:02

Some of this.

Speaker 3: 21:05

Yo, I just wanted to make mention and then we can keep going. We can keep talking about Diddy, about the Diddy situation, because the Diddy situation, we can go on so many different angles, but I do still have up here Kai's to not in the N-word. I want to get into that at some point. But yeah, we can keep talking about Diddy. I just want to add my little piece on this Diddy thing. From what I understand, diddy could have possibly gotten molested himself as a child. I don't know if you ever watched a video between him and his mom kissing in the mouth. You ever see that video?

Speaker 1: 21:45

I never understood that concept. I never yo. Let me tell you something. I grew up in a Haitian household. Let me go. Try to kiss my mom in the lips. See if my head won't fly off my shoulders. I've been with a bunch of people household.

Speaker 2: 21:54

Let me go try to kiss my mom on the lips, see if my head won't fly off my shoulders. I've seen it with a bunch of people. I mean, I don't see. Nowadays I feel like the internet has ruined our minds. With a lot of this, everything is a conspiracy or some sort of everything is tainted. I've seen mad dudes kissing their mother on the lips. I've seen it my entire lifetime.

Speaker 4: 22:09

As a kid I did that. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3: 22:11

I'm saying as a grown man.

Speaker 2: 22:14

I'm just saying whatever person got, a relationship they got with their parent is between them and their parents. We here are constantly. That's the problem. We always in everybody's damn business Like dog. This doesn't really involve us.

Speaker 5: 22:32

It can go back like that. I think it's just the way. I think it's just the structure of us. I don't think it can go back like that. I think it's just the way. I think it's just the structure of power. Look at it just for two seconds. Just how I'm talking about it. What if the true sort of power is just cutting everybody off from doing what they will? What if that's the true sort of power is just cutting everybody off from doing what they will? Like? What if that's like the true sort of power? Like what if everything that they yo? This is what I do, this yo, I y'all live by rules. Y'all live by these rules. Y'all live by those rules. Y'all going to die, y'all going to have y'all one life. Y'all going to live by rules set by other people, your whole life. What if? What if? What if that's what? Just one of the one of the things? Like what if that's one of the things? And what if that's what allows you to do so much devious stuff? Right?

Speaker 5: 23:23

because, you, you, you hear, like you hear about, you hear about certain things and it's like you hear about certain things it's like god, I hear that it might. It might go as far as, like you know, you hear about things just like people with human, like a human plate or something like that, right, so you know it's people that's into exotic things out here. You gotta have the money. The more money you have, the more exotic things get, and that's just real talk. It's the taste of life, the flavor of things, changes for you. Things don't excite you as much as they used to anymore, because you can have anything that you want.

Speaker 4: 24:00

I take all balls down to. Everybody has a price to be honest with you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 24:06

I don't believe that, I don't know about that, I don't believe in that.

Speaker 4: 24:09

I don't believe in that.

Speaker 4: 24:10

Before you start shooting, get me out. I'm saying everybody has their price when it comes to what they'll do and not do. Some people can't turn down the $50 million because it's a drastic change. Some people can't turn down a million because they feel like it's a life changer. It's a life changer. You know, like we, we literally all have our price. We all have our morals. Now I I don't think none of us on this screen is giving up a body part to no male I said that's so politically correct giving up the office I do know, when money gets involved with anything, a certain amount.

Speaker 4: 24:56

Once you hit a certain amount, your thinking and your thought patterns start to differ. You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's a numbers thing and we all have our number to where, like, I can possibly do that and get away with it because I got this money that's going to go. I got the fucking fund. You know what I'm saying? Excuse the language, but it's the effort fund and people have that to be like look, I got this money for this and I got the effort fund. If I get caught doing this, Alright, so now check it.

Speaker 5: 25:32

Check it on the effort fund Years old Pat pad, I seen you on the effort, on the on the on the effort fund. Right, I would like to. I would like to bring up china as an exhibit. The wrestler I I want to bring up china the wrestler as an example story. Bro, right, right sad story, because we're talking about somebody who was living at the peak, right at the, at the, at the very top, and then, when things crashed down, she went to, you know, to porn bro like that's what, that's what so no my point is.

Speaker 5: 26:08

My point is my point is people do think like what you're saying, but because they use it as the effort fund, after a while it's gone, it's effed up after a while and now you're back to doing these things.

Speaker 5: 26:23

You're like you're, you're now you're chasing whatever is out desperation right, desperation says and so that's what I'm, that's what I'm getting at, like I'm. I'm looking at it from that angle. I'm looking at it from I'm not a, a, a, a religious person, right. But if you look at it from the standpoint of, let's say, a satan tells a jesus, you can have whatever you want, and all you gotta do is just say you know, I'm that dude, right, that's all you gotta say is I'm that dude, right, you can have whatever you want out here. Now, how many people are gonna have, like you say, the price, the moral to say, no, how, like? And as we see?

Speaker 5: 27:08

I'm gonna tell you something, though because you can actually see the numbers. The numbers are really right in your face, right. Because you can see the actors. Numbers are really right in your face, right. Because you can see the actors, the high actors. You can see the high musicians, like. You can see the people that's in the high places and see the people that's in the low places, like, you can actually see it. It's right there, like it's, it's really there. Like you could really look at the numbers and see oh, snap, wow, that's crazy that's a that's a good point.

Speaker 3: 27:33

It's time to define wealth, okay.

Speaker 4: 27:37

What I'm saying is with that particular money, I think at a certain point I think black people get to a certain point everybody's not reaching a hundred million. Let's just say you come across a hundred million, something happens, you get a hundred million. Let's just say you come across $100 million, something happens, you get $100 million. The way life expectancy is, you think $10 million could be your fucking fund. And with Puff he made a billion. He reached a billion. So it's like he was unlimited, so he was doing the most, because we probably look at him like yo, with a billion dollars I can do this. My lawyer's gonna say this and that's what I'm talking about. You know, that's what I'm saying. When he thought he had the fucking fun because he had enough money to really like shut people up, people to go missing and just just while out, it ain't just him.

Speaker 1: 28:37

Sounds like a lack of self-control.

Speaker 5: 28:39

It's not just him, though it ain't just him that's my point though it's coming down on him, but it's not just him. It's a lot of people that are scared. That's what I'm trying to say. If it wasn't so many people scared that it would just land on him, but it's a lot of people scared and it's a lot of people that attended them parties were not saying nothing. They running, they running. So if it was, if it was right, so now check me out, though. Right like, say, you was in the hottest of water, you could use this child endangerment thing to get out of your hot water. Like nobody's doing that and no one has done it yet.

Speaker 4: 29:20

At least no one has done that yet Do y'all think the tapes are actually coming out? Like a tape is coming out?

Speaker 5: 29:28

A tape.

Speaker 4: 29:29

Yeah, y'all think the tape is coming out.

Speaker 5: 29:30

I don't know, but I think, I think. I think, like Ron, I don't know, but I think, I think, like Ron was trying to touch on, like Pat was saying, and like you alluding to Trev, what's true wealth, what's wealth? Like because a lot of people can't fuse being rich with, like a lot of people may confuse, having billions of dollars with wealth, and that ain't wealth.

Speaker 1: 29:55

I have wealth right now, real quick. I just want to Financial wealth dollars with wealth, and that ain't wealth. I have wealth right now, real quick.

Speaker 3: 29:57

I just want to.

Speaker 5: 29:58

Financial wealth. Financial wealth.

Speaker 3: 30:00

I just want. I want to interject. Alright, Ron, A hundred million dollars. If I got a hundred million dollars, I got a billion dollars. I'm not going to lie. A lot of people go and miss it bro.

Speaker 5: 30:20

You see, what.

Speaker 4: 30:20

I'm saying I don't need a hundred million dollars, bro, I need a certain level of discipline to have that kind of money.

Speaker 5: 30:33

I'm glad you said that you know what that's like. I'm going to tell you exactly what that's like. Y'all remember the Richard Pryor movie.

Speaker 4: 30:40

What Bruce's millions.

Speaker 5: 30:43

Right, I'm talking about his life story, joint. Oh, yeah, right, alright, so this is a tale Of people having a limit and knowing their limit. That's what this little tidbit is about. So in in the beginning it's richard and his girl at that time, and she's you know, she's doing what good women do. Let him know yo, you great at what you do, you know the backbone thing. Yeah, you could do this, you could do this. You need to leave the town and and and and go. And he like yo, you need to come with me. She, she like, yeah, bet, so they go, they go, they go, they pack, they go, they get to the bus and she stops, she says I can't, I can't go, no further, I can't go. Basically, what I'm saying is you have to know you, your like there is a such thing as a personal limit. You know what I'm saying that you have to respect. If you don't respect your personal limit, you will end up somewhere personally effed up.

Speaker 3: 31:49

And that's just. That's just the facts. You have to know your personal limit Right now. Check this out Like what Puff. I think that, like what I was just talking about, like the discipline part, right, so he grew up in the industry. So he grew up in the industry without the necessary tools like morals and values and things like that. He grew up in the industry and that was his main Puff didn't grow up in no industry.

Speaker 3: 32:12

Hold on, let me get to my point, I'm sorry. So as far as growing up in the industry. Hold on, let me get to my point. So I'm sorry. So as far as growing up in the industry meaning he started off in the industry really young. First he started off throwing parties, he was like 18, 19 years old and then from there he grew, you know, from that point and he practically grew up in the industry, in in his 20s and on up, and the necessary things that he needed, the tools he needed for him to deal with that amount of influence and money he didn't have. Hence the reason why he went off the rails. Because imagine, if I imagine, if you got that, however much money he got in his 20s, what would you do with that money? What would you do with a million dollars at 20, 20?

Speaker 1: 33:01

He had um Andre Harrell?

Speaker 5: 33:03

Yeah, he had, he had a lot of people around, so we we were saying last week out he soaked up a lot of game from a lot of people. So he, he and then, like we were saying, when it comes to the, and then when it comes to that industry, things is not like how they look. Like, right, because we know, we know um, we know, we know um tony tony. Tony was like a that that was like a financial scheme, right, like whoever was running it was actually shortchanging everybody else who was involved, like we know, we know that. Like we know, we know um, we know new edition was getting like super duper ripped. We know, when they came back off tour they got um job applications for mcdonald's. We know this.

Speaker 5: 33:50

So, so, like the moral, like you were saying, trev is kind of applicable to the situation in the person, right, so the person may say, well, we may deem a lack of moral may be exactly the area that this person morality lies in. So where we may say, nah, you shouldn't do that, is where they say that's where you have to do that, right, because that's that type of industry, bro, like, when you really look at it, it's a lot of people who end up going bro, look at montel jordan. Bro, montel jordan ended up, he had the hottest joint. The next thing you know he's sleeping in his car like that's how to end. That's how it is.

Speaker 1: 34:31

It's, it's it goes back to discipline. It goes back to discipline knowing yourself, but hold on discipline knowing yourself, but hold on a second, you got to know yourself.

Speaker 2: 34:37

It goes back to knowing what you're getting yourself into when you went to this industry in the first place. The problem is that most black men get into this music industry very young and no knowledge of the game. It all boils back to knowledge. They put things in these contracts that we have zero knowledge of. We don't understand the wording, we don't understand it, we don't read it. So I want a third party to read it for us and interpret it for us and expect for us to get the best possible contract. That's not how this works.

Speaker 4: 35:18

Now let me say this, because I hear what you're saying about more rules and what the industry does, but y'all we also got to remember we watched the industry really tarnish. There was different parts, there was different types of hip-hop back in the day you we forget that there was tribe called Quest. There was Native Tongue, there was Jungle Brothers, there was X-Clan, there was the educational piece of hip-hop.

Speaker 2: 35:44

I'm going to count that though.

Speaker 4: 35:45

Made money as well. They may not have made the money Puff made, but they made hits to the point where they're able to sustain a lifestyle and maintain a career over the 50 years that hip-hop 51 years that hip-hop has been around. We got to look at the person too, because the industry didn't change everybody and everybody didn't fall victim to the nonsense.

Speaker 2: 36:12

Because I Go ahead, clep, I just want to say that Because when you bring up tribe and you bring up the, the, the X clan and all of that hip hop was still fairly new to the masses, so the labels were accepting anything at that point that was going to pop or generate money. Once they figured out what lane and what, what avenues was going to generate the most money, you see they shifted off that Tribe Called Quest lane real quick. Okay, you got it. They shifted from that and they focused on this type of negative music. This type of negative type of music is what generates the dollars.

Speaker 2: 36:53

This is what we're going to market. We're going to go to our South. This is what we're generating out here. We're going to market that. All of the conscious rap, what we like to call conscious hip-hop that got pushed to the wayside, that had to build its own ground, root following for them to generate some sort of money. But as far as what the major labels and they embedded with all these other corporations, what they were marketing and promoting was what was generating the most money.

Speaker 5: 37:19

Because it's a business.

Speaker 1: 37:22

Hold on let me add this right here At the end of the day, we have to respect that. It's the music industry. People forget that we're the music business. Yes, these labels want to promote gangster music. People consume this gangster music people. You know consumers gangster music. But let's keep it real. When you're selling four to five million records, it's not only black people buying your records, because we got, we gotta look at, look at ourselves too. We bootleg records, movies and everything. So it's not only us buying these four or five million records that they're selling. You got middle of america that sees that these european kids like yo. I like this what they're talking about.

Speaker 3: 37:58

So it's all about dollars and numbers well look before we, before we go into, before we go any further on on this uh, diddy situation. Um, I don't know man, this thing is looking real weird man, I don't know man. Before I was like man, he's crazy and all this stuff. And then I'm looking, I'm like I don't know man. Before I was like man, he's crazy and all this stuff. And then I'm looking, I'm like I don't know, this is starting to look weird. So that's why I'm kind of quiet on the situation, because I don't want to speak too soon. But I don't know, it's looking weird.

Speaker 3: 38:25

I want to talk about Kai Sinat, because that's in the thing. I kind of changed it to all Diddy and then Karl Anthony, but it just didn't do that. So, being that Kai Sinatra is up there in the N word, I would just want to go over this. It looks like on the internet, like somebody like a Kai Sinatra, this young brother, he's from the Bronx, he's like an internet sensation. Uh, he's a streamer, uh is he has a, a, a guy from Taiwan who you know streams with him. And then there's like a crew, phantom, and then this other guy, duke, and it looks and oh, yeah, and then you have Mayton. It looks like these, this, this, this younger generation. They're coming up and they're really playing around with the N-word a lot now Like it's like they're making fun of it, even Drewski, Now, like it's like they're making fun of it, even Drewski. So they try to push the envelope with the N-word, I think in an effort to kind of, you know kumbaya, make this whole world. You know we're all together.

Speaker 3: 39:30

White people can say the N-word. Anyone can say the N-word. Go ahead, yeah, my white friend over there, go say it Is the N-word. Anyone can say the n-word go ahead, yeah, my white friend over there, go say it is the n-word. Uh, less impactful is it or less? Uh, offensive nowadays? How do you see the n-word now? Do you think white people can use it now? Do you think asians can use it now? Do you think they should play with the n-word? Is it not a big deal anymore?

Speaker 1: 39:55

I'm checking that. If my godmother's on here, she would tell you. I checked the white boy for saying that, me and my homeboy cowboy. We checked the white boy for using the N-word. I don't say we gatekeeping it, but it's the way he was using it. He was so comfortable and the other dude was like that's my man. He's like, yeah, man, but I don't like the way it came out. Pause, the way he's uttering this word out of his mouth so easy.

Speaker 5: 40:18

Can I say something.

Speaker 2: 40:19

Can I say something? How would you get people a word that we didn't even create?

Speaker 1: 40:24

Exactly, but that's what I'm saying, so I don't be like the type that you know.

Speaker 2: 40:29

White people? Can white people say the word? They created the word Like they created the whole term. We just tried to spin it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the it's what comes with it.

Speaker 5: 40:41

It's the weight and the power that comes with it when he said it that's why they had stopped, you know, using it in the first place? Yes, they were, but we have a lot of words that we could use for them too no but nah, but nah, nah, nah. Yes, they were, but we have a lot of words that we could use for them too. No but nah, but nah, nah, nah. That's a power dynamic thing, bro because, of where that word comes from.

Speaker 5: 41:08

It's the cultural understanding or the societal placement when one uses that word. That's what it is. Like we not going gonna escape that. Like you know what I'm saying. Like we're not gonna escape that, it's, it's so, it's. It's a touchy situation, yes, but right now, if a white boy came to you and calls you yo what up? Ma you're not gonna, you're not gonna feel comfortable with that.

Speaker 2: 41:33

I don't even care, because here's my thing, this is their word. We tried to spin it and flip it and remix it to make it our thing. No, don't, that's their word. We tried to make it empowering to each other. No, it's not an empowering word. To begin with it's a degrading.

Speaker 5: 41:54

So we shouldn't be free to just run around and say that? Or are you saying that we should be free to just run around and say that? Or are you saying that we tried to use it in a certain way? Or are you saying that we should eliminate the word from our?

Speaker 2: 42:03

vocabulary, change it to what the context is, how they're using it. No, they've been using the word. It's their word. They created it. We tried to remix it and make it ours, which was the dumbest thing in the world that we could have done, because all we was doing is spreading low-vibration language to ourselves in the first place.

Speaker 5: 42:22

I understand where you're coming from with that, but it is always the context in which a word is used and it doesn't matter what word it is, it's always the context in which a word is used. It does not matter what the word is, it's always the context. It's always the context in which a word is used, it does not matter what the word is. So if we know that this person listen, I'm going to tell you what category also it goes underneath. It goes underneath somebody like slick talking. That's what it go underneath. That category. It's too much bro.

Speaker 2: 42:59

If there's respect if there is respect.

Speaker 5: 43:02

I'm not holding on because I haven't finished my point yet. If there's respect between the two people, then you should understand that that is a sensitive spot and you shouldn't even tread over that. It's not like I'm going to run up on you and call you all type of crackers and so on and so forth and then we just going to build the relationship off of words that we know is disrespectful.

Speaker 2: 43:26

Then why use it to each other? Why are we using it to each other If the word is disrespectful? I just say.

Speaker 5: 43:32

I just say it's a very sensitive situation and then, at the same token, you still have people who don't use that word in their vocabulary. There's a bunch of people who don't use that word in their vocabulary.

Speaker 3: 43:48

I know that Real quick, because when you cut Clip off, his thing is choppy because he doesn't have a mic. So go ahead, Clip, say what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 43:58

Regardless of the context of how the word is being used. The original word was used to describe Black people, and their definition of the word was ignorant. So we all day calling each other ignorant. Yo, my ignorant, nigga, yo, ignorant, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. We're calling each other ignorant. We're trying to remix this word to make it seem like it's a positive thing for us. No, it's never going to be positive.

Speaker 5: 44:23

No one's talking about the remix. We're talking about the original word. We're not talking about the remix. We're talking about using the N-word. We shouldn't be using it at all. We shouldn't be using it at all. That's the problem. That's the problem. If that's the problem, then how is it okay for them to be running around using the word that we shouldn't be using? And if we've come to some type of understanding in this society that you can't use, we never came to understanding with them.

Speaker 2: 44:57

We never came to understanding with them with that word. We came to understanding amongst ourselves with that word.

Speaker 5: 45:04

The understanding that the society came to with that word is that you can't using that word is bad. That's what just flat out. That's what we came to as an understanding as a society. We understand that that word, what we came to as an understanding as a society. We understand that that word does not fly as free. I don't know, I can't even get a point out. You're going to ask me a question and then you're going to cut me off so you can answer for me.

Speaker 3: 45:29

Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, it's okay, hold on Real quick, real quick, hold on, we got to hold on it's okay, it's okay, hold on, hold, on hold on Real quick, real quick, real quick, real quick. Hold on.

Speaker 5: 45:42

I'm not getting upset, I just tried to get a point. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3: 45:46

Shawnee, shawnee, hold on a second. I get Clip's point, clip's point, clip. You turned the mic off.

Speaker 1: 45:55

I think he's there.

Speaker 2: 45:57

I'm chilling. I'm just on mute for a second.

Speaker 3: 45:59

Okay, okay, clip. Your point is we shouldn't use the word at all because we didn't come to an agreement as to how this thing should be used, or we don't need to use it at all because it was given to us.

Speaker 2: 46:15

It was never designed for us to to be using in the first place. It was never designed for us to be using it amongst each other in the first place okay, now Shawnee, your point exactly my point is this if you can say that it has negative, it has negative terms to it.

Speaker 5: 46:34

Right, and we know exactly where it came from. Right. Why would it? Why? Why would it be all right for anybody to just say it like that? Like that was. That was my point, right? I never said anything about yo the remix. I never said any. That was your words. You brought the remix up. I never said anything about never ignorant I know what I brought up anything about I I never, say oh, come on clip please, man.

Speaker 5: 47:03

Please let me finish my sentence, please, because I have terrible short-term memories. Please. I I never brought up um, never ignorant, getting goals accomplished. I never brought that up. I, I merely was stating we've come to a point in our society where we understand that that word has a, a, a placement when it comes from a certain person. We know that that word has a place. We know that that word is straight disrespect. We know that.

Speaker 5: 47:30

So when, when you asking, is it all right for other cultures to say that? And you say no, it's not, is that an internal problem? Is that an in-house problem that we should deal with? Perhaps I could deal with that? So y'all, both, I could know, but that was the, that was the whole thing. That's why I was like, just let me finish my point, like I didn't understand why I got so excited when I'm like they shouldn't say that, like we, it has a societal standpoint.

Speaker 5: 48:02

And that is where we came to an understanding at yo, that nah, you saying that word, you're putting yourself at risk. A lot of the laws are freed up, a lot of the you can't do this, you can't do that, a lot of that is it has to do with why that word died out too. A lot of people standing up and fighting back yo, you say this, you get punched in your face. That's why that word died down. So to just now say yo, nah, it's all right after all of that that people fought through.

Speaker 5: 48:31

Just because we say it, I'm not in agreeance that, yo, I'm not running around. Yo, my, my, I'm not in agreeance with that. Yo, I'm not running around. Yo, I'm not in agreeance with that, I'm not saying that. Yo, it's a word that we claim. That wasn't my point at all. That wasn't my point. My point is I see where, if it comes from one person where it's trying to place you at, in this society, society, and when you have immigrants coming and calling you a certain name that was supposed to place you in a certain place in your society and your country, you, you should have a problem with that. That's my point. That's my point. Now, okay, do you?

Speaker 3: 49:07

feel like that.

Speaker 5: 49:07

I don't know, now, now clip you understand his point right, okay.

Speaker 3: 49:16

Now, why do you have that look on your face?

Speaker 2: 49:21

but it's. I still doesn't, I still don't, I still disagree with what he's saying. Right, because I'm explaining. Let me explain. Let me explain we are the only culture that takes a derogatory word that was aimed at us and use it in a way, and use it to speak to each other in an everyday language. We are the only people that does this, and you don't hear Spanish people call themselves Spics. You don't hear Chinese people call themselves Chinks. You don't hear Jews calling themselves whatever the derogatory Jew term is. You don't hear Italians calling themselves that shit. We are the only people that take a derogatory term to us and use it to speak to each other on a daily basis. What does that have to do with other people who are using it?

Speaker 1: 50:18

to harm he set up the context. He set up the context, Yo that was a good point that's a good point right there.

Speaker 3: 50:27

That's a good point right there.

Speaker 1: 50:29

You hear that what Kate was just saying. All right. We're going to leave it like that we got to stop using that Cause you got this look on your face.

Speaker 3: 50:39

I want to know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 50:40

The narrative now would say oh, because you're a different ethnicity than me. You can't use this word in this context because, yes, yes.

Speaker 5: 50:50

Yes, yes, yes, yes, just like yes. Yes, because that, yes, you can't do that, and I just explained why you can't do that.

Speaker 2: 51:00

I just explained why you can't do that he's not letting me finish my statement.

Speaker 5: 51:06

Guys, let's move along brothers. No, no, no, no, don't move along, Let him finish, let him finish, let him finish.

Speaker 2: 51:11

That's what I'm saying, the fact of the matter is you cannot regulate some shit if you're doing the same exact thing.

Speaker 1: 51:21

That's hypocrisy.

Speaker 5: 51:22

It's hypocrisy, it don't matter. If it's hypocrisy, yo bro, you're not. I don't see how my point.

Speaker 2: 51:28

I'm sorry, yeah.

Speaker 5: 51:29

Cliff, because I'm just excited and I keep cutting you off. I apologize.

Speaker 4: 51:35

I think let me say this is the only time you really get some type of agree to disagree unity.

Speaker 4: 51:44

This word brings that out of us Only time. Now let me say this because I was watching KRS-One and he spoke about the word nigga. Now nigga has been remixed twice Because nigga was a positive thing when it came to describing black people, when you looked at who was around during the era prior to slavery and all that. This is KRS-One explaining the word nigga. Now they made it negative. We again took the negativity, like Clip said, and said we're going to just say nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. We're going to take the E-R off and put the A, as if that makes a difference. And now that we're letting other people say it I hear what you're saying, clip they shouldn't say it. We shouldn't say it either. It should be banned. Period. We shouldn't be notified or identified as that term. Period, because, if you think about it, we are the gods. We got knowledge of self. They don't. So how are we letting them tell us what they can call us?

Speaker 1: 52:54

Can I ask Trevor Sure, as you know, I always reference hip-hop and you know great literature. As Nas said on that track, roaches the last poet say we should not be having a word for the nigga when the action still exists today amongst us. So that goes to what Clip was saying and Shawnee was saying we have to do house cleaning and we got to stop behavioral behavior.

Speaker 5: 53:23

I totally get that part. I totally get that part. But we do have to deal with how the world was. Like you said, it stayed world to disrespect us. Granted, we might have took it and we might be using it amongst ourselves. But that don't mean you just won't let anybody word to disrespect us. Granted, we might have took it and we might have, we might be, we might be using it amongst ourselves. But that don't mean you just won't let anybody just that. Don't mean that, bro, that don't mean because I, I address you like that. That don't mean the next man could address you like that and for I wouldn't, I wouldn't stand for that, like I personally wouldn't stand for that. I personally wouldn't even address you like that nine times out of ten.

Speaker 5: 53:55

But that's because you mind no, let me finish. That's because you mind that's the one thing that we all kind of lean on. That's why we put the mind in front of it, because you mind that's an in-house issue and that's not an issue that everybody could just open the door and say yo, yo, nah don't go like that G.

Speaker 3: 54:17

I'm going to tell you, shawnee, the new era though. The new era, the new era of Cliff. I'm going to let you go, pop. I'm going to let you go, cliff, just give me one second. What I'm saying is the new era of kids coming up, teens and 20s. That's a word for them, like they're really pushing a line on it. They're telling other people of different nationalities, ethnicities, to say the word they're trying to like blur the lines with it.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Well, go ahead clip so when the slave masters are saying that's my nigga over there, it's a difference. That's the same shit, it's mine, you's my nigga over there, it's a difference, because that's the same shit, it's mine, you are my nigga.

Speaker 5: 55:00

Right, but you know it come from a seed. But that's again. We're going back to context. Again, we're going back to context, though. And context is a big part of this world. Right, Context is a big part of this word. Like I said before, the context is the most important thing in anything that you say. You know what I'm saying. That's the most important. That's the most important thing.

Speaker 2: 55:27

Here's my thing, so like, so okay, here's my thing we should not be like we want to use the word. If we want to use the word amongst each other, then we shouldn't use it on these public platforms where we can make people feel like it's okay to say it.

Speaker 5: 55:40

No, but I'm in agreement with that.

Speaker 2: 55:43

They're going to say well, you guys say it all day long, why can't I say it?

Speaker 5: 55:48

all day long. No, I'm in agreement, or we can say it, but you can't.

Speaker 2: 55:52

How it's freedom of speech. How do you want me to regulate what I can say?

Speaker 5: 55:57

No, it's freedom of speech, but then there's also repercussions for your actions. There's freedom of speech, there's freedom of action, and there's repercussions for both. So you can feel free to say what you want to say. And then you can feel free to say what you want to say, but I'm going to tell you straight, like this there you want to say, but I'm gonna tell you straight, like this, it's gonna be certain places, certain nooks and crannies.

Speaker 5: 56:22

You're not gonna feel that free to say that when you're gonna when you're gonna realize, no damn, I can't say that, hey, there's this, is this point, but. But like ron was saying, like that, but I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be real with you, it's, it's. It's basically an old ideology. Now, right, like even everything that we're saying is played out. This whole argument is nonsense because it's played out. It's played out, it has become. It's like everything, bro, if it's played out.

Speaker 5: 56:48

After a while it gets washed out. After a while, the meaning of things gets washed out. Right, right, right, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying that. Get washed out, like after a while, the meaning of things gets washed out. My argument but whatever, okay, right, right, right, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying that what we're saying is an old argument. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is asking that because what we're? We're too old, the individuals arguing about our differences in this point, but these kids don't even have that in between them anymore.

Speaker 2: 57:17

But that goes back to my original statement where I said why should we even care at this point? Because if we're going to use it, if they're going to use it and we're going to allow them to use it, then we can't regulate it.

Speaker 5: 57:28

But I was expressing why I care, though I was expressing why I care and what rule and what sentiment I would abide by.

Speaker 2: 57:38

When white people use it. I know the history of it, I know what it means. I don't even let it affect me no more, because I know I'm not that. Yeah, but it's not about that, it's about the it don't be about that at the time.

Speaker 5: 57:51

It be about the disrespect that was intended. It don't be about that. It don't be about me. It don't be about me not being what you called me. You could call me the dumbest, stupidest.

Speaker 2: 58:00

This, that and the third in the world but depending on when you say it like if you say it when we already be family, yeah huh. Oh, my poor guy.

Speaker 5: 58:11

Because I got the mic.

Speaker 2: 58:12

I got the mic you don't say it's a disrespectful term. If you go to certain parts of the South, they're going to use that shit freely, with no problem. I don't care. I don't let it affect me because for one I know I'm not that However they feel or how they feel to choose to use it, that's on them. As long as you ain't physically touching me or doing anything to jeopardize my freedom, I could care less.

Speaker 5: 58:35

But commonly that's what it comes with, though. It comes with that though.

Speaker 3: 58:40

My point not to cut you off, but my point in bringing this up is that what I see is I see a trend of something happening with the youth and we're going to get older. I'm looking at a future of that word being so universal, like at a point like 20 years from now. I think everybody's going to be.

Speaker 5: 59:12

I think it might be there now. Hold on, let me finish my point real quick.

Speaker 3: 59:17

Let me finish my point. What I'm saying is I'm saying in 20 years from now, I think that a lot of people are going to be using that more than ever and the fact that YouTube will cut out. You can't say gay, you can't say whatever, whatever, you can't say the R word. There's so many words that you can't say, but you can still say nigga.

Speaker 1: 59:42

I don't know, I don't understand why Dave Chappelle said it the best, bro, when he said his jokes. He can't say certain jokes about a certain community, but he can always say the N word. They don't have a problem with that. So it comes to show you that people now are using this word as a way to classify black people. You know they can say, oh, you're just a nigga, you know, go greet him as such and, as Shawnee was saying, that's going to get you hurt out here.

Speaker 3: 1:00:10

But I'm saying 20 years from now. That may not.

Speaker 2: 1:00:13

But think about this On social media, if you say Spick Jew, something, something, something, all your pages get flagged. But the moment they let you say nigga with all the freedom in the world all over social media, with no problems.

Speaker 5: 1:00:28

But that's because there's no in-house cleaning. Bro, if you, if we was, if that was a decision that we made, right to say yo, nah, we dubbing that word right, then you have the power to say yo, flag that we could flag it, because that's how they move, like they move. It's not just like an out-the-blue kind of a thing Like the algorithm. Pick it up now from so many of them flagging it before. So now the algorithm is oh, not dog, like you see what I'm saying, it comes with that. It's just like. It's like. It's like it's like this right, talking about that, talk about the unity, talking about that, right, it's like like all right, like like dominicans came to the city, right, and there was a time where, like on Saturday Night Live, I remember when Tracy Morgan used to play Dominican loop Right and used to, you know, make fun of how Spanish people could barely speak English, and I remember before they used to all knife wielding and all of that extra nonsense and all of that extra nonsense. And so them people got together, got that money up, got them news platforms for themselves, got that Telemundo thing popping, got the newspapers popping. They made decisions in-house to take care of their own image, the image that you can't present an image of them anymore because they own the image that they present of themselves. Right to see now.

Speaker 5: 1:01:59

Now thing is this right, a lot of people like to say we don't do this and a lot of people do what we. You know, we do things that a lot of people don't do. Right, a lot of people come from the outside in. They don't have we that, they don't have the same dynamic, uh, that we did. Like when they have that dynamic of master the slave, it's still, it's still their people. Like, this is a, this is a dynamic that we're dealing with right here. So there's still going to be some different some, some kinks, there's going to be some holes, there's going to be some things that we're trying to iron out, that it's going to take a while too, and it's going to be some things that the rest of the world is not going to understand because they didn't go through what we went through what they went through.

Speaker 5: 1:02:35

They went through with people who look just like them when china went through it. China went through that with japan. When, when, when, when, when, when. People in india went through that, like they go through it right now. Like they go through it right now, like slavery is basically embedded into their law. Like if you work in somebody's home, somebody has the right to charge you room and board and food and deduct money from you right now.

Speaker 3: 1:02:56

Check this out. I understand your point now, now, now, when you were saying um, we got to do something to, um, combat this, pretty much right. How can we, how can we you said flag pages, you know have a unified effort to, to make the change? How can we? Who's going to do, who's going to spark that movement?

Speaker 5: 1:03:19

petition that's. That's when petitions, but that's when run. That's when I'm going to have to agree with something that you said a while ago. Right, that's when I'm going to have to agree with something you might have said about three or four episodes ago, where it's like you have to get out into the masses. You got to start creating the groups, you got to start, you got to touch down. You got to touch down and you got to be regular. You can't be a politician. You got to be regular, you got to touch down. That's. And then you have to be patient, because it might not happen in your lifetime. You have to be patient. It's a seed.

Speaker 4: 1:03:58

I don't think people want to change the term nigga when it comes to us period, Like I hear what you're saying, Shawnee. It has to be a change, but most of the rhetoric that's around black people nowadays is negative. So the word nigga is positive to most people and it's not going to change and okay.

Speaker 5: 1:04:21

So let me tell you this I like which I like. I like what you said, because now I'm going to bring you up an experience that I had in my life when I took my ged test, when I took the predictor. The question on the predictor is who's the new nigga in America? This is when, and then they gave you multiple, multiple choices. It was Mexicans, it was Chinese people and it was like two other nationalities, and these is all people that was coming into America At the time. This is around 9-11, right. So that just goes to show you right there that the word nigga doesn't belong to a group and after a while, it belongs to the lowest person on the totem pole. That's what it belongs to, right?

Speaker 5: 1:05:13

And I can tell you so many times we've watched tv that the middle class was presented to black america. Mad times, mad times. We just might have missed the boat. I'm not. We just might have missed the boat on that, and sometimes you have to accept responsibility for things of that nature. So now I want to tell you something else. There's new niggas coming into america. Now, okay, am I wrong? No, no, no, am I. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Are they not new niggas coming into america? Do we not have new niggas in new york city right now?

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

are they, are they not? I don't know, I don't know and I'm saying that.

Speaker 5: 1:05:49

Listen to why I'm saying that. I'm saying that because they're taking up the lower jobs. This is why I'm this is like follow what I'm follow. What I'm saying Follow what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 1:05:58

I'm saying that the word doesn't belong directly to us, shawnee, shawnee, hold on one second. I hear what you're saying, but Trevor has something to say. I want to hear what Trevor.

Speaker 4: 1:06:09

Okay, now you said it don't direct. We don't own the word nigga, but it's always directed to us. We don't directly own it, but it's always directed to us. We don't directly own it, but it's always directed to us. And it doesn't matter how much money we got, how much education we got, because somebody lower than the highest educated black man is going to be looked at as a nigger. They're still going to get followed in Walmart and their degree, their PhD, ain't going to say don't call him a nigga, he got education. And guess what? We are accepting of this word because, like he said, there's no other ethnicity that goes by the negativity that we do.

Speaker 5: 1:06:58

And to add on to what you said there's no other ethnicity that's going to do what we do Give me two seconds, as you know what he was saying about the new niggas right.

Speaker 1: 1:07:07

That's how the white supremacist structure looks at people. They devalue you based on your social class. You understand, so they will call you a nigga. But to add on to that, when they call us niggas right and now they're trying to, they're trying to use a term so freely. You don't see that world came from hate, but now that hate became confused admiration on how they want to be like you so much true I always seen that I always wanted to ask do how many people are you?

Speaker 5: 1:07:35

are you, are you like? How do you feel about nigga? Them like? Are you proud to be a nigga? Are you, are you, are you like? How do you feel about negative? Like, are you proud to be a nigga? Are you not like? Well, how do you personally feel about negative? Is this something you trying to run away from and escape? Is it something that mentally controls how you speak or how you move, or how do you look at negative? Are you, are you proud of the history, of what you've overcome, or or or are you ashamed of what you had to go through? What? What is it like? What is it? And then, and then like, like, like, like. I like.

Speaker 5: 1:08:07

I was like, I was getting to like, because I was trying to set it up when I was saying that the government put that in the school system for the new, for the kids to know. That's what they ask the future. Who do you think is the new niggas? They ask the future that. Who do you think is the new niggas? And they ask niggas. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4: 1:08:29

They ask that on a GED. They don't ask that on a SAT.

Speaker 5: 1:08:33

It don't matter. It's on a test that they're putting out to see how people think it don't matter. I had to take that test to get my GED to be a part of the society, so I'm not an idiot and don't have anything to show. But this is a space thing, let trap. All right go ahead.

Speaker 4: 1:08:56

But I hear you about the test, but everybody don't take that test. That's not no real test.

Speaker 5: 1:09:02

I understand that.

Speaker 4: 1:09:03

That's where that's credit. Sometimes that's not even credible to education. Most times, no, it doesn't. To just finish to say you completed something. Everybody doesn't take the GED. Some people have high school diplomas and move on and go in to get higher education. So that question is never on. You can't go and write an entry essay to a college and say if they say who's the new nigga in charge or who's it's, that's offensive all around you building on it.

Speaker 5: 1:09:41

I told you what happened and you're building on me. I told no, no, no, no. I told you what happened. There's nothing to build on. I told you what happened. That is a state standardized test. It don't make a difference if they don't give it to everybody. They gave it to me and the people in my room and the rest of the people that year who had to take their GED, and we all in a society. What year was that? This was in. This was in 9-11. This was whatever year 9-11 happened. That's the same year. That's the same year I took my. Same year. I went to, I went to take my GED Same year. So so what I'm saying is now, when you look at the influx of immigrants that's coming in, it's taking the low level jobs, it's filling the jails up. That's what I'm trying to say, like it's not Something that's going.

Speaker 5: 1:10:33

No, what I'm trying to say is it's not going to change over in the next year. It's a process Like it's a. It's not going to change over in the next year. It's a process Like it's a process. This is a country Like. This is a country Like. The game plan is 100 years out.

Speaker 5: 1:10:51

So I can tell you like this, from a personal standpoint, how I started figuring this out. I used to do Uber, right, I used to do Uber. Now, I remember making an easy $250, $273 a night easy, off, off, off, off, just hard work, off bonuses and tips right, I'm coming home $275. Maybe, like, maybe doing like 30 trips a night, right, doing like 30 trips a night, right. Then, about a year after that the trip started, you know, the same trips was coming in, but the money was like tremendously low. I said, oh, look, there's an influx of different people coming in because they feel like they could lower the price. Now, if you order anything from uber, you know who's coming to your door. Now, you know who's coming to your door now no, you know who's coming to your door now.

Speaker 5: 1:11:40

So this is what I'm trying to say yeah, they interviewed. They interviewed, uh uh, some haitians who moved in um um to little rock and straight up and down. He told him yo, I'll do whatever job. He said yo, y'all don't want to do the job, I'll do the job. Y'all want to sit around and watch on your couch and watch football, I'll do the job. Okay, so people don't know. Bro, listen, there's a reason why people don't want them jobs. No more. We know that because we live here in the country, so we know that. We know these jobs will break your back, and so on and so forth. So now we got the people who's going to come in, willing to get their back broke. This is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2: 1:12:25

That's what you understand where.

Speaker 5: 1:12:28

I'm coming from with that.

Speaker 2: 1:12:30

I hear what you're saying, but at the same time then we complain about there's no jobs available as a community and we complain about our black wealth rate being 0%.

Speaker 5: 1:12:44

I'm not just talking about black people. Take black people. No, no, no, no, no. Take black off of that. Take black off of that we're talking about in America. Take black off of that.

Speaker 3: 1:12:51

Because there's a lot of white people complaining about that too. Let them talk. Let them talk.

Speaker 2: 1:12:55

I'm saying because our community is affected the most from this. Our community, right? I don't care about the white community or the Asian community, because guess what? The Asian community? They keep everything in their community. They kick their own stores, they own businesses, they own banks. They got all of that in their own little area. We don't have none of that. So then we complain about not taking the proper job, not taking low-level jobs, because we got this fake-ass image to maintain, or we got this fake-ass level that we think we at, when in reality, bro, we got bills to pay.

Speaker 5: 1:13:30

I don't know if that's it. I can't say that for everybody I can't say everybody left a job because they had an image to uphold.

Speaker 2: 1:13:38

Some people leave jobs because but hold on, here's the thing about these immigrants. They'll come in here, they'll do that back-breaking work and in less than two years they'll have a house. That's a fact.

Speaker 5: 1:13:50

I see it All right.

Speaker 2: 1:13:54

All right.

Speaker 5: 1:13:55

That's true, but there's still a point that I made that people like this getting skipped over. The point that I made, that people like this getting skipped over. The point that I made was we were supposed to secure the middle class. That's the point that I was making.

Speaker 4: 1:14:05

Like when I said come out.

Speaker 5: 1:14:08

I kept letting people finish talking. I kept doing it. I didn't complain when people told me be quiet and let that man talk.

Speaker 3: 1:14:20

Hold on, hold on Shani, hold on Shani, hold on Shani. I don't know what's going on right now, but your energy is kind of wild right now.

Speaker 5: 1:14:23

I'm just trying to talk and I keep getting cut off and then when I try, to respond okay, okay, you're doing it right now. You're doing it to me right now.

Speaker 3: 1:14:32

You're long-winded Like get to your point and then let somebody else build.

Speaker 5: 1:14:37

You got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it. I think I know what to say you good, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 4: 1:14:48

We got to figure out a way to come up as a group to red flag it. But we are limited on resources because if you got the new class of, I guess, social media influencers saying, yo, go ahead and use it, and they got a lot more influence than we have, it's going to be hard to red flag it because their influence right now is through the roof. I get what you're saying, sean. I agree with everything that you're saying. I agree with with everything that you're saying. I agree with clip like is, but we are like really like the minority when it comes to red flagging and becoming that unified group.

Speaker 4: 1:15:31

These dudes costa not, and all them they have the back end that we don't even have right now. Kosta not got Nike behind him, he got Kevin Hart, he got Lord knows who we don't see. You know what I mean and I agree with you. We got to stop because the word don't mean. There's nothing positive about it. But when you got these 25-year-olds coming out of nowhere who just stepped off the porch, ain't been to a party, ain't been to a house party, don't know how to fight, talking about yo, go ahead. You can use the word nigga, go ahead, man. It's okay, how. It's really like we're basically fighting against each other because we don't have the resources to come unified for one another. You know what I mean. That's how I made my post.

Speaker 2: 1:16:23

I feel like we don't have enough unity to even prevent the word from even being said amongst each other, exactly, but this is where I'm getting to. We don't have enough unity to prevent ourselves from using the word, yet we want to regulate other people from using the word, yet we want to regulate other people from using the word. It doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1: 1:16:44

Can I add on to that clip that term nigga right. Even amongst Caribbean, amongst the Caribbean community, they don't use it right. And what Shawnee was saying, as far as the people coming, these immigrants that's come to this country and then now they're trying to view them as the new niggas, what they do, these people come from desperate backgrounds of total destruction, poverty, like here in the us. You could go down to the human resources. You may get some public assistance whatsoever In the island or the countries. There's no such thing as public assistance. So this is why they will come here in desperation, seeking opportunities to come build a life for themselves. They will take any job to put food on the table, you understand. So this is something that America need to fix within itself. Like, yeah, these people are coming in and taking your jobs whatsoever, but there's a reason why it's happening, because maybe the government is seeing as people not trying to really capitalize off the opportunities.

Speaker 4: 1:17:45

They're not even taking the job. The job is really just being available because, like Cliff said, we ain't doing it because we feel like it's beneath us.

Speaker 1: 1:17:54

Exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:17:55

You know. So it's available, so they're going to come here, get the resources. Get to the public. It says get that low-bearing job to 525 to 750 and work with it.

Speaker 2: 1:18:07

You know they're gonna. They're gonna get a house, they're gonna. They're gonna get an apartment with 70 people in that shit and they're gonna each. Because I love from a mexican, from from an immigrant Mexican. He lived in a house with 20 people and they each put up like $10, $10 to pay rent each of them and stacked that money up and went and got a house later on, less than two years. Peace, divine Allah. Indeed, we won't do that. I can't live with this motherfucker, this person, excuse my language. I can't live with this motherfucker, excuse my language. I can't live with this person. They get on my nerves and this and that and all this egos. They putting all that ego and stuff prior to the side and getting it done, and they building houses themselves, they doing all the carpentry work, they doing the landscaping, they doing all of it themselves. We don't want to do that this country was built by immigrants.

Speaker 2: 1:18:59

Yes, we don't want to do that. This country was built by immigrants. Yes, we don't need to do it. We got so high up on this supposed high horse that we all still living in the hood. But we got this old supposed high horse that we think we on and we wonder why we still in the same position we in. Then we want to regulate who can use a word when we haven't even regulated ourselves with our own regular conduct.

Speaker 1: 1:19:24

That's crazy. Malcolm said it. Before we open up arms, extend our arms, we got to look at ourselves shut our doors.

Speaker 2: 1:19:32

Conduct amongst ourselves, that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:19:36

I'm telling you look at these groups, look at these immigrant groups, as we put it. You can look at the West Africans. You can look at these groups, look at these immigrant groups, as we put it. You can look at the West Africans. You can look at the Caribbean. They all work collectively. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 1:19:48

That's their culture, though Am I allowed to speak now? Can I speak?

Speaker 1: 1:19:53

Nobody stop you, but I'm saying the culture, the culture here as well. What happened to the culture? That's not our culture.

Speaker 5: 1:19:59

That's their culture. I keep trying to explain that they came from the outside in. You come with a plan. You've been looking. You're not in it.

Speaker 1: 1:20:11

You have unity here as well, too. They endured civil rights. Not to cut you with my bad clip Civil rights and the X, y and Z. What happened here. That will automatically make me want to stand side by side with my brother. Because, though? My family, I'm first generation born here.

Speaker 2: 1:20:25

My family from Haiti, but I still look at my brother here as my family, shawnee. I mean Shawnee. It's a different culture. Yes, I agree with you. Yes, it's a completely different culture. What is our culture?

Speaker 5: 1:20:36

What is our culture? Our culture is in disarray. We need to build one. And this is what I've been trying to say. You can't. You have to accept the small steps, bro. It's not going to. This tree is not going to just shoot up overnight, it's not. It's mental damage, bro, that you have to see that people are trying to part with. But first, you can't just be admit, you can't just be allowing people to just say certain things. It's just going to disrespect you like that.

Speaker 5: 1:21:07

Just because you, just because you feel like that, just because you like yo, just because we have confusion about it, don't mean that you could join in on the confusion. It don't mean that I mean we still got a ways to go. That's what it means. That's all it mean. And that's why I was saying we missed out on the middle class. They stopped. Do you guys remember when mitchell b she was promoting the middle class to us? Do you remember that when oldsmobile and all of that was out, when the middle class was out, that was supposed to be for us, that was supposed. That's my dad, and that's why I keep saying it the way it is.

Speaker 2: 1:21:40

We didn't miss out on it, though, because we didn't miss out on that, though, because we had a lot of black people working those jobs.

Speaker 5: 1:21:49

I believe that we missed out on it because there is no more middle class. There is no more middle class. So that's why I say we missed out on it, because if we would have had it, we would have kept it up, and that's what I'm saying. We missed out on the middle class in the time when we were supposed to hop on it and really roll through. Right, because, like how you say it, america kind of rolls on the poor, but it needs more poor people for it to keep rolling, so it let more poor people in. And I know how this sound. I know this sound terrible. I know how this sound, I know how this sound. That's why I'm so passionate about it, because this is how this work. This is how this work.

Speaker 5: 1:22:29

This is a long game, bro. This game ain't going to be over in our lifetime. We're not going to see the end of it. We're not going to see the end of it. We're not going to see the end of it. Our kids' kids might see the end of it. We're not going to see the end of it. That's just that.

Speaker 5: 1:22:44

And it's a travel. It's a travel, but we can't be allowing people to pick on us while we're traveling. If that's our problem Me and you got a problem, me and you got a problem Can't no outside person come and say, yeah, well, this, that or that man, you'll get out of here, you'll get out of here. Don't join in on the reindeer games, bro. We in the sky, ready with this, we trying to figure it out. We'll be dropping presents off soon, but let us figure it out, but don't come in and try to join in on the reindeer games.

Speaker 5: 1:23:14

That's one standpoint. The other standpoint is if it becomes universal, then you know, if it loses is, if it loses its power amongst the kids, then it loses its power amongst the kids. We don't interact with them like that. Anyway, that's a whole different world, Right? So if it loses its power down, it loses power down there, bro. But I'm not, I'm not with that, like I, I'm not with that. And I see how it's working. I see these people coming in. It's the same thing, yo, it's the same thing. The white man used to say Yo, he taking my jobs, he doing jobs that I wouldn't do, he doing jobs for a nickel that I wouldn't do for a quarter. It's the same thing that we doing, we going through that right now it's the change of America. That's now it's a change of america. That's what happens and I and I know, because I'm sorry, because I get long-winded, and I and I really have an important point to drop.

Speaker 3: 1:24:05

This is why I talk a lot, but go on so I just want to make sure everyone's heard clip you.

Speaker 2: 1:24:10

You had something to say yeah, we didn't miss out on the middle class. We were shut out of the middle class. We were shut out of the middle class. There's a difference. We had the jobs. Yes, let me explain we had the jobs. We had those middle class jobs. Yes, we were not getting those bank agreements for those houses and those properties. That's a fact. The banks were not. The banks were red flagging black people and not allowing us to purchase those in those middle class neighborhoods.

Speaker 3: 1:24:43

I forgot about that.

Speaker 2: 1:24:44

It's a fact. So we were, they were running, we were not, we were not, we were not. We didn't miss out on it, we were pushed out of it.

Speaker 5: 1:24:55

There's a difference About that. There's a difference about that there's. There is a difference about what you're saying. There's. There's a huge difference in what you're saying, and I think that does placate to with a certain bit. I'm not gonna take from that. I'm not gonna say no to that. No, I'm not gonna say no to that. But what I am gonna say is it might have been just in different neighborhoods. You might have just not been able to get into the middle class neighborhood that you wanted to get into.

Speaker 2: 1:25:18

Yeah, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5: 1:25:24

Because when I was saying that the middle class was supposed to be for us, it was supposed to be for us. You wasn't supposed to go and sprinkle yourself in. That's what I. When I said it was supposed to be for us, I meant that part. So when you saying like yo, yeah, I want to live over here in this middle class neighborhood, that may be not the neighborhood that they wanted you to move into.

Speaker 2: 1:25:40

And that was because the middle class neighborhood was originally for the white people Right.

Speaker 5: 1:25:46

But that's what I'm saying, though, bro.

Speaker 3: 1:25:49

Like hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:25:59

Let let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let let. For the white people and we wanted to move up in class and we didn't want to be in our low poverty neighborhoods because we weren't getting bank loans for our own businesses. We weren't getting none of this stuff to up build our own community, so our only choice was to move up into a new middle class. Once we got the middle class, jobs to pay us and then, when we get to this point, they, they put a red line on us to say, no, you can, you can't be here, you have to go back to your neighborhood.

Speaker 2: 1:26:21

So now you got people who make this amount of money. They're in the hood. Now you got a class division based off of money and income. Now that's causing a division in our own community. Hmm, hmm, mm-hmm. You got to understand the levels of where it now it's. It's a more divisive divisive thing that's going on in our own neighborhoods. We weren't able to get to this point. We kept playing as crabs in a barrel mentality because they wouldn't allow us to get to level up so we can bring other people from the neighborhoods with us to these middle class neighborhoods.

Speaker 5: 1:27:02

That's not everybody, that's certain people, and I'm pretty sure that's not everybody, that's certain people and I'm pretty sure some of them, people that got denied got reasons for getting denied. We're not going to just keep saying everything is black and white. Come on, I'm not buying that, bro, that everything can't. What Clip said is very well said. What Clip said is very well said. Clip is shooting right now. He's shooting right now. I'm not taking that from him.

Speaker 2: 1:27:30

You can't just buy a house in a middle class neighborhood like that. It was very rare. The reason why some of these drug dealers was getting that shit because they was putting the cash up front. They didn't need a loan from the bank, they were paying that up front.

Speaker 5: 1:27:47

I know some folk who made it through, bro. I know some folk who made it through in that song. That's why I'm not, I'm not, I'm just, I'm not. I'm not jacking that that happened with some people. Yes, I'm not saying that that didn't happen with, but I'm not sayinging that that happened with some people. Yes, I'm not saying that that didn't happen with, but I'm not saying that that happened with everybody. I'm not jacking that. I'm not jacking that. And even if it did happen, even if we had the bread right, the money was there we could have created the middle class right there for ourselves.

Speaker 2: 1:28:14

Hold on, okay, okay. So when we did that because we were doing that too we was doing that all across North Carolina, we was doing that in Oklahoma, we was doing that in all the places and what were they doing? They were flooding out our towns, they were bombing. They were doing all of these things to prevent us from moving up.

Speaker 5: 1:28:31

What town, what town got bombed in the 90s? I'm not aware. Oh, in Philly, you ain't know. In the 90s, in the 90s, yes.

Speaker 5: 1:28:45

Send me that new 70s, send me that new I'm talking about in the 90s. It happened in the 90s. I know about what happened in our town in Philly. I know about that. I know about that. I know about the judges getting flooded out and so on. I know about that. I know about that. I know about just getting flooded out and so on. I know about that. I'm not talking about gang.

Speaker 2: 1:29:05

They just did it in Louisiana for what's it called the hurricane that happened. Was that a? Middle class society it flooded it out and made a whole new middle class for the white people. Those black people don't have no sexes in Louisiana, no more. You got to understand it's ways that they do it. It's not the same exact way every time.

Speaker 3: 1:29:30

What about the fires? The fires in the hood and all that?

Speaker 2: 1:29:34

They do it all the time.

Speaker 5: 1:29:37

I hear all of that, but I still, I still, and you go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:29:44

I live very nicely where I'm at right now Very nice. But I know I'm the only nigga on this block. It ain't no. There ain't no niggas over here, bro. I'ma keep it all the way above. There ain't a lot of us over here. It's just me, bro. Congratulations Tip. I'm not proud of that. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:30:13

I'm not proud of that Survivor's guilt right there.

Speaker 2: 1:30:16

Yeah, I got to go back to Harlem. Why? Because I got to go back to Harlem and see people that I know is educated, I know is smart, and they're struggling to get to this point and then, and there's so many red flags in their way, but them red flags wasn't in your way.

Speaker 5: 1:30:33

You made it right and you know them people, them people educated and all that. So why it was yes, yes, it was.

Speaker 2: 1:30:41

You think I just got here. I don't. I got here just just off of easy.

Speaker 5: 1:30:45

No, no, no, no, no, I didn't know. No, that's not what I said and I I'm sorry if that's the the, the, if that's the feel that I gave up. No, that's not what I said. I was asking why? Because you went through all that same stuff that they went through when you got it. So I'm like, why, why you? Why you feel sorry? Why you feel sorry is what I'm saying. I know that you're sorry for your hard work paying off for you.

Speaker 2: 1:31:09

I know that majority of us will not get here right a minority of us. A minority of us will get here, but a majority will not. It is designed that way for a majority of us not to, and I understand it's designed.

Speaker 5: 1:31:29

Now I'm just asking. I'm just asking how.

Speaker 2: 1:31:31

It's designed how. It's designed in the mentality that we have. It's the mentality that we have. It's the mentality that we have. That's been embedded in our brains Since we was coming up.

Speaker 3: 1:31:44

It's called cultural Cultural.

Speaker 5: 1:31:48

Mentality, bro. Okay, so now that we understand that this is a cultural thing right and now that we can understand that other people have their different cultures and when they come and they look and they this is why they shouldn't have so much to say about certain things, because it's all cultural and then, when you really look at it, some people's cultures like even like mexicans coming here and and gathering up in in one joint they do that back home too. It pays off here tremendously, yeah like I always said they came with.

Speaker 5: 1:32:17

They came with the game plan. We got a few people here who've game-planned and made some moves. We've had that. But you know what happens. You know what happens. Not everybody is ready for that. Not all of us are ready for that. That's the problem, right, that's the problem Because a lot of us have found their own, separate ways to survive in America. Right, because we're American citizens and we ways to survive in America. Right, because we're American citizens and we are doing what the rest of America is doing indulging in consumption. This is what you know. We're Americans too, right? So we try to do things on our own. That's the American way. Even if you don't feel like an American, by your birth certificate says you're an American and you do things by the American culture. So a lot of people saying that yo, these people coming in and looking and yo, y'all should be doing this and y'all should be doing that, and y'all nah.

Speaker 3: 1:33:08

I want to close with this. I want to close.

Speaker 5: 1:33:10

I would love to know what the plan. Sully, I would love to know what the plan is but as LeBron was saying that we got to get together and create one.

Speaker 3: 1:33:19

Right. So so the plan right. I want to talk about that and close out, cause this was a great discussion. Um, man, I love that. This was a great discussion, man.

Speaker 4: 1:33:31

I can't wait to see y'all face to face, cause this is going to be we're going to really have a good time, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:33:35

Yeah, we're going to have a good time.

Speaker 4: 1:33:37

Yeah, we're going to have a good time, yo Clip. I love you, yo Clip.

Speaker 5: 1:33:41

I love you to death. Clip you so edgy Yo Clip. No nonsense. I respect you to the hilt, bro. I don't want you to think that when I'm cutting you it's because I don't respect what you're saying or it's because I don't have respect for you as a man or anything. Sometimes I get passionate and it's a real heavy conversation.

Speaker 2: 1:34:06

This is what I'm saying, black people. We have to learn how to have healthy disagreements and healthy debates without turning it into a negative, violent thing. Bro, you get what I'm saying. We can have healthy disagreements, there's nothing else.

Speaker 3: 1:34:21

Now check this out. I want to close out with a plan, right? So, like what I've heard, right is now. Clip brought this up and man, clip, man. Now I got to write stuff down because I want to bring this back next week. I heard Clip say this Black people don't have a culture. I think you said that before, clip.

Speaker 2: 1:34:43

Yeah, our culture is. We have a culture, but our culture is not authentic to our culture. Authentic to us because our culture was created out of poverty situations. It's not a what about?

Speaker 3: 1:35:02

because you know, on this podcast you got a lot of 5%ers and all that and Moors and all of that. What about that? You're saying that was created in response to white supremacy so it's not a culture.

Speaker 2: 1:35:14

No, the history of Moors. We studied the history of Moors to find our identity amongst white supremacy. Ok, that's the reason why we created the five cent nation. The reason why we started studying the Moors is the reason why we ran to the Nation of Islam and all those other things because of white supremacy over us at a certain point in time where we wanted to find strength amongst ourselves certain point in time where we wanted to find strength amongst ourselves.

Speaker 3: 1:35:41

Okay, so don't you think that, being that those cultures were pretty much created to assist us, don't you think that we should go to those cultures and help?

Speaker 2: 1:35:49

them flourish. I agree, I agree. But the problem with, you see, the problem with with these separate cultures, is that there's too many disagreements, that, that, that, that, that when we shut each other out, yes, doctrine.

Speaker 1: 1:36:04

And one thing to add right, drop a mic right now.

Speaker 5: 1:36:07

So you can't add, you can't build, you can't build a culture unless you have free domain. No, and I'm, I'm honestly, this is. This is not a debating question. I'm just, I'm.

Speaker 2: 1:36:20

I'm what I'm saying is we have to put the we all have a certain belief system right and if we want to get, we want to get to a certain point of a common goal, as black people, sometimes we have to put that personal belief system to the side for the moment, for the ultimate goal.

Speaker 2: 1:36:41

Exactly I always say that we have to learn how to compartmentalize certain things first to get to the main thing that we need to get to. You can have your belief system. Some people believe in Jesus Christ Cool. Some people believe in Allah Cool. Some people believe in the 5% nation Cool. Some people believe in Allah. Some people believe in the 5% nation. Some people follow the Moors and all of that and the Israelites and all that, all that is fine, I don't care. You can believe what you want to believe. But at the same time we got to have a universal thing amongst all of us that is going to benefit all of us collectively.

Speaker 5: 1:37:17

I like that.

Speaker 3: 1:37:20

Can I?

Speaker 1: 1:37:20

add one thing though brothers.

Speaker 3: 1:37:22

What is that though?

Speaker 2: 1:37:24

My bad, my bad. We have to come together to figure it out.

Speaker 1: 1:37:28

Y'all can hear me.

Speaker 2: 1:37:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:37:31

I was going to say this. I heard what Shawnee was saying and what Cliff was saying. Right, but if you want to see what happens to Black people when they stand up and fight, it's not being biased. Look at Haiti. That's how they treat you.

Speaker 2: 1:37:44

1801 or 1807?, 1804. The Haitian Revolution 1804. All your belief systems didn't matter. We got to beat these. That's a fact.

Speaker 5: 1:37:58

That's a fact. That's a fact. I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 1:38:03

now, it was knocking off their own, like yo dog. If you ain't with what we got going on right now, you got to get up out of here Period.

Speaker 1: 1:38:12

You look at Haiti, you look at Puerto Rico, you look at the rest of the Caribbean, and it's not being prejudiced. Wherever this European goes with his supremacy and some of our people fall for it too, they destroy, they create division, and this is why here, it affects America as well. Same thing's happening back home. They got us divided. I could never get back up for what you did.

Speaker 2: 1:38:35

If you know, the Caribbean islands are Caribbean. They celebrate being Caribbean, but they wave their separate flag all day at the parades. Pay attention.

Speaker 5: 1:38:43

Yeah, they do, you ain't never, lie about that.

Speaker 2: 1:38:48

It's fine. I'm not mad at them waving their flag and where they come from and where they was born and where their ancestry was at. But this is supposed to be a celebration for all of us, so we all need to be unified at this situation.

Speaker 1: 1:38:59

They do, because you know I was out there whining upon them.

Speaker 4: 1:39:04

Whining on my trinity, daddy and jingle we unify in more ways than others.

Speaker 1: 1:39:10

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 1:39:14

I unify a lot. Mostly, you can send me an American Black, American right, African-American Black, but I don't look at Haitians any different than I look at my own family. I don't look at Africans any different than my entire family. I don't look at Trinidadians. I don't look at none of those people of melanated skin any different than I would look at my own family. I don't care what your upbringing was, because at the end of the day, we are still the most impoverished people on this planet to me. So we all go through a similar struggle. We just go about it different.

Speaker 5: 1:39:52

Yeah, that's a great point, and on that note that's indisputable, right there, excellent point, yo, if on that note.

Speaker 3: 1:40:00

We indisputable right there. Excellent point, yo. If on that note we got to cut out man. I want to continue this discussion. I know a lot's going to happen during the week that we got to talk about. Uh, hold on a second. Allah didn't born to five percent in response to white supremacy. He taught pro-righteousness and anti-devilishment. If it was in response to white supremacy, then he would have been Not necessarily brother. He had to create something to combat what was going on in the society at the time. In the society at the time, and just like to this day, white supremacy still reigns supreme.

Speaker 2: 1:40:41

So that's why they were teaching us the black man, not the white man. It was a self empowerment thing. All of this was about self empowerment right so we're going to touch on this next week, but at the same time, first. That's why I think we should stop using the word nigga, because it's not self-empowering us. We need to be self-empowered so that way we can start making the proper moves to get to a better place as a people.

Speaker 4: 1:41:11

True indeed.

Speaker 2: 1:41:15

And we need to stop responding to the other people when they say that shit, because we need to let them know that that shit has zero effect on us. These days, like, whatever you want to say, that shit, this shit we don't even respond to it, because the moment we respond to it, it shows that we're still insecure about the word.

Speaker 1: 1:41:30

I hate, I hate. I just want them to be feeling entitled, like when they say it, like you know it's not the 1850s, you know you get your head cracked open out here.

Speaker 5: 1:41:43

It's a weird.

Speaker 3: 1:41:43

It's a weird and wacky word, man yo, man, that was a great discussion today. Dope, dope, dope, dope. We need to keep these going. These work yo. Next week, same time, same same place. Tomorrow. We got Sharif on at 7 o'clock and we got a surprise, surprise, surprise. We're gonna put that later on in the week. And then Thursday. Thursday, we're gonna talk about Mikey Fever. Thursday.

Speaker 1: 1:42:14

Oh yeah, it's my show Thursday Going down. I know I can't wait, Y'all getting that Ruin the cut oh.

Speaker 5: 1:42:26

I can't wait. I can't wait for that. I can't wait.

Speaker 3: 1:42:29

I'm in a chat, Peace y'all have a good night, y'all, peace, peace.