The Ancient Free Moors Rite: Rediscovering Moorish Heritage in Freemasonry with Esteemed Guests

Prepare to journey into the heart of the Ancient Free Moors Rite, guided by the insights of Supreme Grand Commander Ali Milday and an esteemed panel including Brother Gale, Antonio Sanchez, Sister Audrey V, Brother Smith, Brother Abdullah, and Brother Luis Gross. Uncover the remarkable contributions of Dr. Clifford E. Hazel Day, a trailblazing bishop and Freemason who resurrected this unique branch of Freemasonry, spotlighting its Moorish heritage rather than European influences. As our guests share their expertise, listeners will gain a deeper appreciation for the Moors' pivotal role in Masonic history and the enduring cultural impact of their legacy.

Listeners will have the opportunity to engage with the rich symbolism and rituals of the Ancient Freemorse Rite, where elements like the Phoenix Monitor and nautical themes distinctly set it apart from mainstream Freemasonry. Brother Abdullah brings to light the fascinating ceremonies and the women's component, the Order of More Star, highlighting the Moorish influences that infuse attire and teachings with cultural depth. The discussions emphasize the importance of diversity and inclusivity within this Rite, promoting a broader identity that fosters spiritual growth and connection among its members.

Explore how the digital age and the Ancient Free Moorish Rite's commitment to inclusivity redefine Freemasonry for the modern era. Dr. Clifford A. Hazel Bay's vision for an online presence showcases how technology has become crucial for the survival and growth of this tradition. As listeners reflect on the teachings and legacy of the Moors, they are encouraged to engage with the community and embrace a universal vision that harmonizes history, culture, and spirituality. This episode promises an enlightening exploration of a lesser-known facet of Masonic history, inviting listeners

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Chapters

• 0:18 Ancient Freemorse Rite Overview
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• 8:41 (Cont.) Ancient Freemorse Rite Overview
• 19:49 Symbolism and Influence in Freemasonic Rite
• 33:16 Core Philosophy of Ancient Morris Rite
• 39:40 Legacy and Teachings of Ancient Rite
• 47:13 The Evolving Diversity of Freemasonry
• 1:00:49 Exploring Ancient Freemorse Rite Principles

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:18

This is your brother, mikey Fever. Nyp podcast. Hope all is well with everyone out there. Nyp Podcast. Hope all is well with everyone out there. Tonight we have the flagship, the ancient free Morris Wright, part two. With these brothers, some great brothers, you're about to learn about the organization, the fraternity, and they will answer some good questions. So I'd like to welcome my brothers. Peace, peace.

Speaker 2: 0:44

Peace, peace, peace brother. Peace.

Speaker 1: 0:48

And just for the guests, for the sake of them, to get familiar. Can you guys pardon me? Can the brothers and sisters forgive me for saying that early. I didn't want to miss out the sister. I apologize. Can you all introduce yourselves?

Speaker 3: 1:05

Sure, I'll start if it's all right with you. Sir, I am Ali Milday. I am the Supreme Grand Commander of the Ancient Fremorse Rite. Good to be here and thank you for inviting us Peace.

Speaker 4: 1:27

Anyone else. Peace brethren, I am Brother Gale. I am actual current assistant of the flagship Peace brethren Peace, Peace, brethren, Peace.

Speaker 1: 1:40

To the audience I brethren Peace, peace, brother, mikey Peace brethren Peace to the audience.

Speaker 5: 1:47

I am Antonio Sanchez, currently serving as the outside aide, and I am honored to be here on the show.

Speaker 1: 1:56

Peace To our sister.

Speaker 6: 2:05

Peace and solemn greeting. I'm Sister Audrey V of the Order of Moorish Star and I'm honored to be here. Peace.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Peace. Who else I know? We have Brother Smith.

Speaker 7: 2:21

Peace, Brother Smith. I'm a member of the Ancient Free Moors right and it is an honor to be here. Peace, bro, Mike and Peter.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Peace and to the top. I'm sorry, guys. I know there's a lot of people Trust me. When these brothers sail, they come correct and sisters they come deep. That's what I got to say.

Speaker 8: 2:44

Peace. My name is Brother Abdullah. I'm also a member of Ancient Free Moors right. I serve as the secretary at our Flagship Lodge in New York, in Brooklyn, new York. Thank you for having us here, brother Mikey. Peace to you.

Speaker 1: 3:01

Peace. Anyone else we missing?

Speaker 2: 3:04

Peace, brother Mikey. This is Brother Luis Gross. Peace, anyone else we missing. Peace, brother Maki. This is brother Luis Gross. I am a member of the ancient free Morse right. It's an honor and happy to be here, thank you. Thank you for the information.

Speaker 1: 3:19

That's peace. And I believe we have Aket. Is he on? Is Brother Aked on, or I think his connection may have dropped? All right, so without further ado, brother Elday, can you give us an introduction of ancient Freemores, right?

Speaker 3: 3:44

Sure, yes, sir, dr Clifford E Hazel Day, who I'm comfortable with, assuming that a lot of people have heard of him or know something about him and that you might have some knowledge about him. But to give you a backdrop, he was a bishop, he was a spiritualist, amongst other things, and of course also a Freemason. He had a long time career as an activist in the civil rights movement he and his wife, sister Bessie Hazel Day, and so he was someone with a lot of experience and, you know, involvement with what we would call in the old days the struggle. But he was a prominent Freemason. He was a most puissant, sovereign grand commander of the Scottish Rite, and when we talk about the ancient free Morris Rite we begin with Dr Hazel Bay.

Speaker 3: 5:17

Now, the origin you know he had the vision for a long time.

Speaker 3: 5:30

He had also been a longtime and esteemed member of the Morse Science Temple.

Speaker 3: 5:40

He had the vision of reconstructing, if you will, reemerging the ancient free Morse right, based on a lot of his research, which was focused on Mars history, and some of you may know that he insisted, as he spelled out in his introduction to the book Astro Theology, astro theology that Freemasonry is a human phenomenon, having its anchor and foundation in Moorish culture, not European culture, and with this kind of research and commitment which he had for about maybe over 20 years by the time that I met him and I met him in the stream of Scottish Rite, freemasonry, and this is when he would intimate to some of us what he planned to do in resurrecting the ancient free Moors rite, and to a lot of us we were not aware that a rite, a Masonic rite, for Moors, had even existed.

Speaker 3: 7:23

So let's just say, brother Mikey, it is right, sir Mikey, yes, okay, let's just say our constituency. We had the makeup of a bright light bulb and Dr Hazel powered it. So when he resurrected the ancient Freemorse Rite, along with that also came other research evidencing that the Moors did have a prime place once in Freemasonry. But, like so many other things concerning indigenous people, when the powers of the world shifted, there were certain things that were buried, hidden or obscured. The ancient Freemasonry was one of those things. Wow.

Speaker 1: 8:34

Wow, wow, wow, wow. That was beautiful man. That's deep right there. You had the idea.

Speaker 1: 8:42

Based on my research, I have some knowledge of C Hazel Bay. Dr C Hazel Bay, I've seen a few a video of his like 15 years ago when he was giving some people some advice on resolving spiritual matters. When he was talking about going to court, certain things he would do, where he'd say he would put coins and stuff in a jar and throw it against a current of water. But after watching that video I wanted to do some more research on him. I couldn't find as much but I was like curious to know more about this ancient free Morris right. So through my research that led me online on Facebook when I connected with brother I kept and I believe um, it was a lean Bay who also highlighted C Hazel's um contribution to the, to the um ancient free Morrisorish right.

Speaker 1: 9:36

Because before my journey into the Brotherhood I always felt there was a connection amongst Moors and Masons. I know some Moors out there are going to be like yo off with his head how dare him say such things? But I always trust me. I always see, like aesthetically, like there's a connection there. But we're not um. We are not, um, you know doing the research to find out. So I appreciate, I appreciate you for really you know giving us some insight on that. Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 3: 10:14

Yeah, you know that, and that occurs sometimes, brother. You know, see, we were untutored in that history, deliberately, deliberately untutored in that history, and so we generally would not know that. Right, we would not know that. But you know, dr Hazel had been in so many places as a spiritualist and also as a bishop in the church and of course, as a Freemason, you know, and a healer and of the like, so he had a lot. He compiled so much information before he even began to go through the methods and motions of resurrecting the ancient free morse. Right, he wanted to have the right people on board to do that, and when he felt he had the right people on board and um, then he did that in uh 2001. But I'm glad that you saw some of his um. You know a few videos here and there yeah a lot of people.

Speaker 3: 11:26

Uh, you know, sometimes they would even mock some of the stuff that he was into and didn't take it seriously. They just felt that it was just maybe a comical spectacle, but it was something also that he had devoted a lot of his life to.

Speaker 7: 11:45

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 11:46

And the science that he taught is very authentic.

Speaker 1: 11:52

Of course I could see. I can sense that Before we go into the questions. Are there any books out there we can find out on Tiazel Bay that go, you know, say somebody might want to go out there and do some research. Any books will point you towards his history.

Speaker 3: 12:10

As far as I know, brother Mikey, there are no books. You know, brother Mikey, there are no books. You know, I'm currently and I've been working on a biography for a lot of years now, but I don't know personally of any book that has been written on him. But I know that there's a lot of information you know about him. You know scattered, if you will, right.

Speaker 6: 12:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 12:36

Yeah, but the book is forthcoming.

Speaker 6: 12:41

And now that?

Speaker 3: 12:41

you ask the question man, you put more pressure on me to get it done.

Speaker 1: 12:46

You know, I know I get a copy first. I listen for the world and listen. I'll be the first purchase of that book, so let me know when it's released. I'll be the first purchaser of that book, so let me know when it's released.

Speaker 3: 12:58

Yes, sir, I appreciate that. I'll hold you to that.

Speaker 1: 13:02

Definitely I'll be there, so I have Go ahead. Somebody was saying something. Oh, was somebody saying something?

Speaker 6: 13:12

Oh no.

Speaker 1: 13:14

Alright. So being, oh please, sister, how you doing? Who's that? All right, amelia Powell, peace, sister. All right. So, being that, that answered the first question, so I'm going to ask this question what are the foundational principles of the ancient free Morris right? Anybody can answer.

Speaker 2: 13:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:35

Yeah, anybody could serve peace.

Speaker 9: 13:38

Peace, brother Mikey, on this, but I can't, and my apologies. I just had some technical difficulties.

Speaker 1: 13:44

But now you're good brother.

Speaker 9: 13:45

You know, the ancient free Morris right, uh is us fraternal order, but some of our foundation principles are directly spiritually centered. So we are spiritually centered brothers. We're, all you know, on the individual journey but working towards a common goal. All the brothers and sisters that you see here, we're all socially prudent. We all try to strive to be upholding members of society. Do our duties, be good citizens. Every one of us here we're all economically driven. We are all looking towards our economic freedom, trying to connect economically. Every one of us are industrially productive as a unit, our organization.

Speaker 9: 14:49

If everybody could just please mute your mic. Please, if you're not speaking, please mute your mic. As I said, you know this is a divine order. So the principles that we share are similar, you know, to traditional Freemasonry brotherly love, equality, morality, harmony. And for us most importantly is our mutual spirituality. Because one thing in the ancient free moish right that you're going to find is that we are spiritually centered. Each one of us are on a journey and I know for me personally and for us collectively, we found a common thread of that spiritual journey in the ancient free moishish rite, in the teachings of Dr Hazel.

Speaker 1: 15:39

That's dope. I respect that. Anyone else care to add on to that? All right. So next question, I have my brother and sisters. How does that ancient free Moorish rite differ from other Masonic rites? I know he is smiling on that in the intro, but I would like to know how does it differ from other Masonic rites?

Speaker 2: 16:05

Peace, peace to you, luis Peace to you. Luis. So the ancient free Morish rite is different from the two most important aspects. We are nautical, nautical character. We possess our own rituals, constitutions and our laws and also we have our legend Okay. Those are the two main aspects of how we differ from other Masonic organizations.

Speaker 1: 16:47

Alright, that's a piece right there. So when they say when you say nautical, you know some people like to know like can you explain what you mean by nautical? You know some people like to know like what can you explain? What do you mean by nautical? What have you as?

Speaker 2: 16:58

a business. When we talk about, when we mention nautical, we mention that our ancestors' heritage of navigation. Yes, and we're also builders, because we build the ship we build the ship as a character. And yes, sir, so we say nautical because that's how we identify ourselves and that's how that main difference of our organization, that's peace.

Speaker 1: 17:46

I respect that. So who were some notable figures associated with the ancient Freemores Rite?

Speaker 3: 18:00

Lee Brethren.

Speaker 5: 18:02

Peace, peace. This is Bruce Sanchez, Peace, bruce, peace, bruce Mikey. Peace to the audience Some of the notable figures that are within ancient Freemasonry.

Speaker 5: 18:16

I will start with my Supreme Grand Commander of courseasonry in his Patriarch of Ancient Freemasonry. And of course they illustrious Dr Clifford Hazel Bay, which was the brother behind the vision, the brother that was in charge of the resurrection of the right. And of course, along the history there are, there are a couple of more figures that you could find through history but due to you know, as part of my degree work. You will understand that I cannot go into that, but that will be my piece, brother. That's dope my degree work. You will understand that I cannot go into that, but that will be my piece, brother.

Speaker 1: 19:17

That's dope. That's dope. Someone say something. Was anyone saying anything? Before we go into that, for those who don't know, can anyone elaborate on Angelo Solomon Suleiman? Can anyone on Angelo Solomon Suleiman? Mm-hmm, can anyone? Yes?

Speaker 9: 19:38

sir Peace, brother Mikey, I'll take that turn. Brother Arquette, so you know, when you talk about notable figures, that is one of the top notable figures and Angelo Solomon, just so that everyone understands, is the patriarch of the ancient Freemorse right. So he is the one that we look to. And in terms of Angelo Solomon now this is some more research, some more information that is forthcoming that you will see coming out of the right dealing with our patriarch and his life and his story, because it is one that especially now needs to be retold and needs to sort of connect the ponds.

Speaker 9: 20:21

And let you know, people on this side of the Atlantic know that there have been notable figures that have went through hardships and Angelo Solomon is one and he, you know, raised in the ranks of Freemasonry and you know I don't have time to go through his whole story, but one thing that is important and notable for us, your viewers and the world to know, and this is not something that the ancient Freemorse right did or the ancient Freemorse right put on him this is something that he was known to in his time.

Speaker 9: 20:58

You know he was known as the father of pure Masonic thought and and and dealing with Angelo Solomon, you know he was a prominent Freemason in Vienna, austria, and if you want to deal in, you know, notable figures or people that are associated with the ancient Fremont right and with Angelo Solomon, you know one we can point to and it is very, very famous in history, is Mozart. You know fraternal connection and, as I said, there is more to come on that connection and much more, but that is a very notable figure and I would be remiss without mentioning the illustrious Dr Clifford Hazel Bay and his compliment, sister Bessie Hazel, who is our avatar and the person responsible for the reemergence of the ancient Fre moist right and this time, dispensation.

Speaker 1: 21:57

That's peace, that's dope man. People need to do their research. I read up on salt Angelo Solomon. I was like very profound story. Like you said, don't have enough time you know, trust me, you know not, not, no, no, no slant on the respect of anyone's religion. But if you follow the principles or story of Christ, if you read what that brother went through you you'll get it. You know what.

Speaker 1: 22:20

I'm saying so I want to ask you know number five? I don't want to if it's. You know what rituals and ceremonies are practiced within the ancient free Morris right Peace?

Speaker 8: 22:39

Peace. This is Brother Abdullah. Peace. Brother Mike, thank you for the question. Following up also with what my brother Luis mentioned earlier, in the ancient free Morris right we do have our own monitor, our own phoenix monitor and our own ritual. The name of our monitor is called On Northward Sail and within our monitor we have our own ritual, as I mentioned, and when we meet in lodge we have our own fraternal ceremonies and rituals that we practice that are germane to our divine order, our Freemasonic order Peace.

Speaker 1: 23:24

Peace, that's dope Love respect. Question number six oh please.

Speaker 6: 23:34

If if I may advance on another definitely uh statement.

Speaker 1: 23:39

Yes.

Speaker 6: 23:40

It. It is true, Um. The FMR has their ritual, and the Order of More Star has theirs as well.

Speaker 1: 23:47

That is the same sale. Yes.

Speaker 6: 23:51

Thank you and I and I apologize.

Speaker 1: 23:53

You see, oh man see, sister, I apologize, I am, you know, for those. Um, if you could elaborate on on the OMS, but I guess, can you give them a description?

Speaker 6: 24:16

Yes, sir, the order of more star is the woman's component of the ancient free Morse right and um. The OMS is the component of the ancient free Morse rite and the OMS is the complement of the ancient free Morse rite. We are a sisterhood, as the AFMR is a brotherhood.

Speaker 1: 24:29

And that's it. Thank you, Pleasure, Thank you. Thank you for telling us A question I like to ask is how does the ancient free Moorish rite incorporate Moorish influences? Well, people see it as go ahead.

Speaker 3: 24:48

I'll go with that one, yes, sir, and you were right there, brother. So you can see from our attire that we don the fez and the jalabia, you know, and also the sashes. So in our attire the Amorish influence is just, it's there, it's ready-made. And also in our literature, our Masonic agenda, if you will right, and that's a way that some of the older Freemasonic scholars would differentiate between rights. They would say the agenda Scottish or German agenda, our Freemasonry is set to a Moorish agenda. Yes, and so that becomes evident in our teaching and our instruction as well, as Brother Lewis spelled out. That you know, that's our nautical character, predicated on the ancient Moors and the Nordical history and the Nordical societies and civilizations. You know also, you know, in foundation of the ancient Moors, from America through Africa and through Europe and circling back the globe. You know, being the first to sail the globe. Yeah, you're looking at those, yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 26:37

Well, I think definitely. That's it's like a lot of history within itself, within the organization itself that ties you back. All right, so we say, what significance do symbols hold within the ancient free Morse Rite? Two symbols hold within the ancient free mores right, as you already, you know, explained earlier, but the significance of the symbols being, as is different from what we call mainstream masonry sir, I'd like that you put that on there with mainstream free masonry and I appreciate that you wanted us to delineate the differences.

Speaker 3: 27:15

And it's going to go back to our nautical character. You may see behind, brother Gil. You may see a ship entered within the square encompasses. We're generally familiar with the square encompasses as a Freemasonic symbol, but now you see within that A ship that's in there. So that's a great Start With our symbolism and it goes on from there, brother Arquette.

Speaker 9: 27:45

Yes, sir, just to further that Question and further another statement. It's paramount. You know, it's part and parcel of what we do. You know, as Freemasons, we understand that symbols communicate, communicate, they communicate a message. And they not only communicate a message to what we call our conscious mind, but, for brothers that know, symbols communicate a message to the unconscious, the subconscious mind. And there are certain symbols that have a way of quickening us to action, of quickening us to action. And you know, for example, right, we're riding down the street. You know, you see that stop sign. You see a stop sign out of place. Even if you don't got to stop, you're going to hold up. Why is the stop sign there?

Speaker 9: 28:43

Why is the stop right. You know, with the ancient free, moist right, and you know our character being nautical, the symbolism of our right, the symbolism of our character, is what spurs us to a specific action and get more into our teachings. But in essence, it is spurring us to not only explore, not only journey, not only figure out what this whole thing about life is. But the symbolism given to us in the ancient free and moist rite affords us the opportunity to build the ship, sail the ship, come on bro. But more importantly, you know what are we sailing and building for? You know we're sailing to successfully get to our destination and when we get there we're going to interface, we're going to exchange. There's going to be an exchange similar to our forefathers. We are simply doing what our forefathers have done. That's why, in the ancient free, more is right With our Nordic symbolism. You won't see us out here really fighting, really quarreling. We're having a problem because we're not here for that.

Speaker 9: 30:11

We're here to sell and sell we will. So symbolism beloved is paramount in Freemasonry and in life in general. But also for Freemasons. We understand the power of symbols and, with our character being nautical, that nautical symbolism you will see throughout the ancient Freemorse rite. And in our character being nautical, that nautical symbolism you will see throughout the ancient Fremorist rite and in our character as well.

Speaker 1: 30:34

That's peace right there. You know, as you was expounding on that, everyone was speaking. You know, as you said, I respect everyone's path. You know they walk in life because it's all about the betterment of humanity. I'm all for it. Walk in life because it's all about the betterment of humanity, I'm all for it. But as you were speaking, and as you know, as all you guys were speaking, that quote from c hazel came across my mind when he said um come on brother, if you're not practicing?

Speaker 9: 31:02

let's just say it beloved, because that's the quote, you know, the quote by the illustrious dr clifford, a hazel bay. And if you have a minute, you know, to hear just L Day, maybe speak a minute about it beloved. But the quote goes if you're not practicing your own Freemasonry, then whose Freemasonry are you practicing?

Speaker 1: 31:27

Peace, out there Peace that's a perfect um segue to this question. How does the ancient free moorish right impact its members spiritually and personal development?

Speaker 6: 31:42

peace. If I may go back to the last question, yeah, go ahead in the OMS with concerning symbolism and our character being nautical. The OMS main symbol, one of our main symbols, of course, our star, and the goblet Sacred relic. What is known as the goblet in Sacred relic, what is known as the goblet in the OMS, is nautical in the sense that it holds liquid.

Speaker 3: 32:18

Good answer.

Speaker 6: 32:21

With the OMS star being 10 points. It is associated with spiritual development and personal growth, that's peace as well as other things, but not to disclose that here. Thank you.

Speaker 1: 32:43

She punches in, drops it and is like I am out Peace. So yeah, how does the ancient free moralist right impact its members' spiritual and personal development Outside of symbolism, like you know?

Speaker 7: 33:05

Peace, peace. I'll chime in on that a little bit, brother Smithfield. I would just like to say, as for myself, how it impacts me spiritually is because we're all diverse and we have so many different facets of brothers here, not just one in particular, one group, one religion, one, nothing. We're multifaceted. So it impacts me spiritually because now I get to understand your walk, her walk, his walk, and all it does is it enhances and it broadens my perspective on everything. So that's me, it inspects me on everything, so that me, it inspects me. It impacts me because, spiritually, it broadens my horizons to realize that all the walks of life were pretty much about the same. So it's when we say it's in his name, it's in his names, you know, because there is many names that he's called by, you know so that helps broaden my perspective of things.

Speaker 7: 34:13

Peace.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Peace Well said Peace, all right. What is the organizational structure of the ancient free Morris right?

Speaker 3: 34:30

Anybody.

Speaker 1: 34:31

Well, okay, and you can always just chime in or just add on, but we start, brother.

Speaker 3: 34:38

we start with the flagship.

Speaker 1: 34:41

Okay.

Speaker 3: 34:41

Start with the flagship. It's the governing body of the ancient free Morse right and just like a flagship in nautical terms. The flagship, what does it do? It hoists the flags, and the flags communicate to the fleet which way we're going, where we're sailing, we're stopping, we're taking lunch, we're taking a break, whatever it might be, you know. And now we're going to continue. The communication is with flags. Right, because you know you're not right on top of each other and nobody wants to go screaming across you know the ocean. So we hoist flags and that communicates to the fleet. So the ancient Freemorse right, the flagship is the governing body. The flagship calls the shots, controls the voyage. I think, Brother Cat, you were there, brother.

Speaker 9: 35:41

Oh no, Brother Gil, that was Brother.

Speaker 3: 35:42

Gil, that's Brother Gil. Okay, yes, sir, brother Gil Indeed.

Speaker 1: 35:47

Peace.

Speaker 4: 35:47

Yes, peace, beloved. Well, I was just going to you know kind of like you took the words out of my mouth. We're going to say kind of the same thing that you were saying beloved. So can't add to that Peace.

Speaker 1: 36:01

That's peace, all right. So I have this question right here how does one become a member of the ancient free Morris Rape?

Speaker 2: 36:10

Favorite question how does one become a member of the ancient free Morris?

Speaker 7: 36:13

Rape.

Speaker 4: 36:13

If you let me take on that one then maybe I can. You know, kind of like taking it back to what Supreme Grand Commander was saying with the previous question, you know everything starts with a flagship. But the good thing, you know, one of the greatest ideas that Dr Haysel came about when he thought about the Moors right was that, because of the times, you know, he thought about this great venue that back in the days we were criticized about you know, which is the online process. So back in the days, let's say that that was one of the only ways to become a Moorish Rite, you know, because of the distance and the brothers being scattered, but now beloved. You know we have the website and of course, like Brother Alim said, through the flagship or another brother of the fraternity, then you have access to it. Peace, peace.

Speaker 1: 37:28

That was peace right there.

Speaker 6: 37:31

Just go to wwwasmr-morsrightorg.

Speaker 1: 37:36

Alright, for those of you know. You see, it's out there. People, if you're looking for that, do your research. I see we have another guest. Who was it?

Speaker 6: 37:47

on the panel Amelia.

Speaker 1: 37:48

Powell, I got a question what is the significance of each degree within the right? I know you know you can't. If you guys want to, yeah, yeah, that's all right.

Speaker 9: 38:01

That's one of those beloved. I will just say, you know, crow before you walk people. Yeah, because we're in a public venue, you know we we do keep certain. You know things, especially you know the depth of that. But I will say beloved you know for you and any of your members in your audience, when you become a member, you will definitely find out beloved?

Speaker 1: 38:24

definitely, I'll tell you, I can't. What do you have?

Speaker 4: 38:27

mikey, I can, if I can, respectfully add to that beloved you know, and to keep it within the ground you know, and but also to give you some light on it, I will refer to. I will refer the audience to question number two. You know what are the foundational, the foundational principles of the ancient tremors. Right, yes, so you know what are the foundational principles of the ancient tremors right. So you know you're going to find a lot of light within that question that you're asking right now.

Speaker 1: 38:59

That's beautiful. I told my cat that I might take a walk through there, through those, one day. Yes, sir, what are the central philosophical teachings you know of the ancient free Morris right?

Speaker 9: 39:21

Yes, sir Peace, this is Brother Aked. I'm going to take that one brother, because that is. You know, that's one of those questions. I feel that reaches to the core of a person. You know that's one of those questions. I feel that reaches to the core of a person, you know. So I want to share, you know, just a quick sentence on Morse Rite, freemasonry and what it is, and this will hit on the central philosophical teachings. That's, that's correct, right? There's a teaching, the central philosophical teachings. That's correct, right, that was a teaching, the central philosophical teachings yes.

Speaker 9: 39:52

Well, in the ancient free Moorish rite, we're a rite that has a universal vision, that is focusing on a view of history encompassing science, culture and spirituality. We do this without encroaching on an individual's religious beliefs. Now this viewpoint is further enhanced by a cultural focus on the history and related sciences of the Moors of antiquity. So we are a benevolent institution. We offer social, we also civic activities that help facilitate charitable endeavors and it basically helps us come together for common welfare for the community and welfare for the community. And you know, with this question, the central philosophical teachings. You know, I mentioned it briefly in the previous question, but I have to go back to you know, because when you talk about the central philosophy of the ancient free right, you know we have to go back in history and go back to our patriarch. Back in history and go back to our patriarch, and so what I can say for the public and like anything, you would have to dig deeper, but our central philosophical teaching is dealing in pure Masonic thought.

Speaker 3: 41:23

Here we go.

Speaker 9: 41:25

That being a branch of Freemasonry that maybe has been, as was said earlier, obscured, covered up, hidden, but, as we were talking about Brother Mikey, the sun will shine again.

Speaker 1: 41:42

That's it. I'm telling you, if people just got rid of that, all that conspiracy talk and again not seeking converts from my organization or their organizations, and you open up your mind, they say they see that they took you away from your history and demonize it. It made you, it made you neglected.

Speaker 1: 42:04

So I don't know what to tell those people out there. Ok, I got this right here. What are the moral and ethical lessons? What moral, ethical lessons are emphasized in the teaching of the ancient free Morris right? But that was part of what you said. But you know.

Speaker 2: 42:23

Peace, peace. This is brother Lewis. Hey brother Lewis, brother Mikey, thank you for the question. I would say that the lessons that we emphasize in the rite are, first and foremost, pure Masonic thoughts. That, including morality, righteousness, upright behavior, is to give you the best at this moment, brotherly love, all is contained within the walls of the pure Masonic thoughts.

Speaker 1: 43:22

That's it, that's deep, that's deep, man, thank you. I see you all, every one of you on this panel, are exhibiting those characteristics, because how you answer the questions, you guys are, like you know, beacons of light. I can see it. So this is a beautiful thing that really, you know. It works on people, it works on the mind to construct a better being, to navigate. So that's beautiful and peace to you all, you know.

Speaker 9: 43:55

Well, brother Mikey, I just want to share you know on that, on your words, and especially to your audience and the public at large.

Speaker 9: 44:01

you know I can say for my 12 years of being in the ancient Fremont, right, you know we have some just good and I say this all the time good people in the ancient Fremont right, you know we have some just good and I say this all the time good people, good, just good people in all around you know people that are honest, people that want to do right and want to find people who want to do right. And you know what, brother Mikey, you notice in the world today. There's so much happening, so much. You know ego, so much trying to be big man on you know campus and you know really you won't find that in the ancient free moors. Right, and going back to your question about character, right, look at all symbolism, look how vast the sea is.

Speaker 9: 44:44

Now, guess what if we dealing with the sea, everybody got enough space, everybody got enough space to set their vessels right To explore, to branch out, to be who they're going to be, right you know, exhibit what God gave you to be in this world. So it's a place that allows that and we don't. You know, I'm not jumping on and trying to overdo another brother or trying to shine brighter than another brother you know that's not how we do so just wanted to acknowledge that no, that's peace.

Speaker 1: 45:19

I I respect that. I respect that very much because it's it's so true. Like you know, it's the removal of the ego and then that that's something that you know every human being will have to face to destroy, to humble yourself and people think humbling yourself means you must cower out. No, it just really means like, as you mentioned, the sea is vast, it's large. You know, I can't be a drop in the sea and think I'm like the whole. No, I got to think there's something out there bigger than me and I got to treat others, you know the way I want to be treated and such so, with that said, any of your sisters want to add on to that, and with that said, any assistance you want to add on to that.

Speaker 1: 46:15

Well, just like the AFMR makes good men better. The OMS makes good women better through upright behavior and discipline. That's peace. And the last question I have what legacy does the ancient Freemores right aim to leave for the generations to?

Speaker 3: 46:29

come and I appreciate that you know we've come to this last question. You know not to rush through anything but you know it always means that we've gotten this far right. It's a journey, and I want to take a look at something right and this is like my prelude to this question, brothers, sisters, and, of course, if you could advance opinions, that would be all right. Most of us, and I'm going to show you Dr Hazel's place in this big picture, right?

Speaker 3: 47:10

Most of us when we think about Freemasonry, you know, we picture ancient stone builders right. Ancient stone builders, right Dressed in medieval garb, constructing, you know, domic churches or castles, right In an old rural English landscape.

Speaker 3: 47:32

And that's all right. But think about this. But, as it turns out, our imaginations are outdated. See, these days, freemasonry as we understand it, right, it's less of a handicraft but more of a science. Right, and think about it, because as new technology and new thinking has enabled us to be more productive, well, it has enabled Freemasonry to evolve more accordingly. That's right. You're most right, right Under the vision of Dr Clifford A Hazel Bay, as Brother Arquette was talking about the online process. Dr Hazel wanted that because he said the internet is going to take over the world.

Speaker 1: 48:35

As a fact.

Speaker 3: 48:36

And he wanted the ancient Freemores right to have an online presence. He was a stickler. I didn't understand it so much because it hadn't the internet hadn't boomed in mushroom like it has.

Speaker 3: 48:51

But he says it's going to take over the world. It's going to take over the way everything happens, how we do everything. So now you see people getting college degrees online right, getting doctorates or whatever, all through an online process. It's all the same thing. So the ancient free horse ride is a part of the natural involvement of Freemasonry. It had to evolve. It had to evolve. It had to evolve. You can't, from now on you can't look at Freemasonry and think of the old medieval stone builders. That's okay and we respect it. However, freemasonry has evolved. All of that is a little outdated, don't you think so?

Speaker 7: 49:49

let's look at the times in which we live.

Speaker 3: 49:51

The ancient Freemasonry is a part of that evolvement. But, brother Mikey, like so many other things, we know this right Sometimes, when there's an evolvement and it's something new, and we say it's nothing new under the sun, it's only an updated version of what our ancestors already did.

Speaker 1: 50:12

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 50:14

So that's us brother.

Speaker 7: 50:16

That's us.

Speaker 3: 50:17

You know. So if anybody has anything else to you know, advance with that, that's fine. But I just wanted to make sure that we understood that. We understood Doc's vision and all, and we look at it all and this is the involvement of Freemasonry. I'm not going to do it today, but I could mention books that Masonic writers, scholars, have written, where they say if we don't have a new involvement, we will cease to exist.

Speaker 3: 50:51

That's number one, dr Hazel. Here comes the ancient, free Morris Wright. What happens? It's like Freemasonry all over gets an infusion. It gets an infusion and then now infusion, and then now it boom, it mushrooms, it blossoms again in a new generation, under new technology, new equipment. Right, because at first, when we went online, freemasons were saying, oh, that's blasphemy, that's not the way Freemasonry works. Now all of them are up online.

Speaker 1: 51:26

Yeah, I have seen it. I have seen it. Trust me, I respect that.

Speaker 3: 51:33

Great question sir.

Speaker 9: 51:35

Yes, sir, and Elday, if I could just advance on that as well and Brother Mikey, I know we're coming to the end and just thanking you and your platform for having us on I would just say a legacy and one thing that you see in front of you today and it's an important point of the ancient Fremontist writing and one that must be stressed for the public is that we are about diversity.

Speaker 9: 52:01

Bingo, I see it now, you know, and maybe this is something we'll go to on a, on another call, you know, another interview but we're more representing and showing the diversity and and, by extension, by default, we are bringing and we are, you know, really not redefining, but we are retelling and bringing more of the definition of what that word more means. It's not just a phenotype, you know. So we and Ancient Free Moorish Rite are proud, we and the ancient free Moorish right are proud. We are, I would say, enthusiastic and overjoyed when we have new sailors from other cultures, other religions, other countries, people in different environments than us and connecting and more importantly and this is it, brother Mikey, they can see themselves here. They can see themselves here, they can see themselves here and if we are claiming right to be reflections of the creator, you got to be able to see yourself in that, brother.

Speaker 9: 53:14

See yourself in you, brother Mikey, that's why we got this connection, because you could see yourself. You could see the version Now beloved. Imagine, if we all did this, that this was our default stance of view of this is another aspect of myself, and we call ourselves collectively God, the creator World would be a better place.

Speaker 9: 53:39

Passion to life. And this is one thing, brother Mikey and I'll and I'll end on this and turn it to our sisters and brothers this is one thing that fuels me each and every day, Cause it's a, it's a, it's a, it's almost like an energy, and it fuels you and it keeps you going when what the times are hard.

Speaker 1: 53:57

Of course.

Speaker 9: 53:59

We're getting back to our symbolism again. Yeah, of course. We're getting back to our symbolism again. Yeah, we can't predict the sea. But one thing you're going to know, coming here and for your audience to know you're going to know how to navigate it. Come on bro.

Speaker 1: 54:13

Tell them Ebbs and flows baby. That's how life is. That's beautiful bro.

Speaker 4: 54:22

Brother, mikey brother, if I can add a little bit to that beloved, with all due respect, you know, just thinking about the legacy of that the Moorish right is aiming to leave behind us, you know, because we always talk about not only the path that we are paving for our own growth, you know, but we also think about those who are coming behind us.

Speaker 4: 54:47

That legacy, you know, and that would turn me back to your question, bilal, when you were asking about those notable figures, you know, and we are forgetting, uh, or bypassing maybe, uh, the most important figure right now, you know, which is you.

Speaker 4: 55:08

you know that brother interested in the moorish right, that brother that made it to the moorish right you know, and and with that, that's the legacy, you know, and with us being part of that legacy, then we are contributing to the perpetuity of Dr Hayes' legacy and memory, you know. So I will say that the legacy that the Moorish Rite is aiming to leave behind us, you know, it's a man of good character, with goodwill towards doing good, towards our people, not only Moors, because that's another thing that the Moorish Rite came to play an important role in society. Today, when we talk about the redefinition of the word moor, you know, and we're talking about diversity and we are used that when we talk about the moors, we only think about africa, the dark-skinned brother, you know. But, um, when we take a further dive into the word, into into what it really means, we understand that that makes us part, you know all, all of us part of this Moorish paradigm.

Speaker 1: 56:45

So, beloved.

Speaker 4: 56:46

With that, I yield the floor and I thank you, your audience, for allowing us to be here and for the invitation, and, brethren, it's always an honor to sit with you. I yield the floor. Peace, brethren.

Speaker 1: 56:59

Peace man.

Speaker 6: 57:02

Yes, sir, we thank you, brother Mikey, for allowing us to be here on the platform and thank you for the great questions.

Speaker 1: 57:14

You're welcome.

Speaker 6: 57:15

We also like to elaborate that we, being Moorish, is all about mind color, nothing else, and we are a spiritual organization uplifting humanity to their highest potential, to their highest state of being.

Speaker 1: 57:41

Please.

Speaker 6: 57:43

Thank you, Thank you sir.

Speaker 1: 57:44

You're welcome and you know the platform is open to you whenever you want to get on the show. You know, and deliver a message because you know what NYP is about. We are open forum. We welcome everyone to come on and chime in and, you know, to address the ills of society, you know, for those who came from a long walk of life to become better human beings. So that's what we're about and we're very thankful to have you all come on the show. You know it's been. You know Brother Aket and I have been going back and forth and I was always interested to learn about the Moors ancient free Moors, right, and I'm thankful to meet you and the rest of the brothers.

Speaker 3: 58:22

And you all were great man, honestly ancestors you know, brother, I was going to ask you, you know. You know, besides thanking you for your great questions, what, if you don't mind, you can be very succinct with this. What what motivated you to put this podcast together, especially in New York?

Speaker 1: 58:42

Oh, brother Ron, we initially started out with a nonprofit organization called PAR, where we had a few brothers on board. We fed about 2,000 families during the COVID Go ahead, brother. You know the less fortunate, and we were just about just bringing uplifting and light. You know, we look at our situation and we're like you know, what can we do to make the place, the world, a better place? It sounds very cliche, but we was like yo.

Speaker 1: 59:12

There's so much chaos going on, we just got tired of it. You know, and we, like you know, maybe if we just do something positive it should work. You know, and we're like you know, we need to cross over and make the message, you know, to broadcast the message to the people and hopefully we can bring everyone together. And you know, we could, you know, find a solution to our own problems, because you know not to jump in this political arena. But I say, you know, as JFK said, maybe if we could do for self and Elijah Muhammad, you know we could, you know we could, we could, you know, do for the people but also, like you know, really work on ourselves. You know, we had to learn shatter your ego. You know, shatter your ego.

Speaker 8: 59:57

That's right.

Speaker 1: 59:57

You know, do some introspect. You know, do some inner reflection on yourself, look and see where your ills are at, and maybe, if we change our perspective, we could change the environment. So that's what it's about, and come in and learn, because what we see today is not what it is in this world. So I think we really have to go back. Though we have to further and advance with technology and stuff, we have to go back to these old principles and see where we left off at Come on.

Speaker 3: 1:00:31

This is where we're at right now. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 1:00:35

I appreciate you all for coming on To the listeners and viewers tonight. Was the ancient free moors right? Look them up, do your research, put aside reservations and really study and see what these brothers are about. And if you want to, I know on the site they have a story with Angelo Solomon. You read that, then you understand the principles of this organization's about, you know. Don't forget to comment, share, like and subscribe. I thank you, brothers and sisters, for coming on.

Speaker 7: 1:01:03

Thank you, thank you Peace.

Speaker 4: 1:01:06

Thank you, brother, mikey, peace, peace.

Speaker 1: 1:01:12

Peace, thank you.