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The takedown of BIG-U, Yela Beezy, Sauce Walka's shooting, and Suge Knight!
What happens when street credibility becomes a prison sentence? The NYP Hip Hop Panel dives deep into the troubling pattern of hip-hop figures whose inability to leave street life behind has cost them everything.
The recent federal takedown of Big U serves as our starting point – a respected street figure turned manager and activist now facing decades behind bars at age 60. As we unpack this case, a crucial insight emerges: "Cameras are narcotics." Today's social media landscape has created an environment where formerly clandestine street figures openly discuss their activities on podcasts and Instagram, essentially building cases against themselves while chasing fame.
Yellow Beezy's arrest for allegedly orchestrating Mo3's murder further demonstrates how musical rivalries and street conflicts have become dangerously intertwined. Meanwhile, Sauce Walker's shooting in Memphis reveals the perils of regional rap scenes colliding with deadly street politics. These aren't isolated incidents but symptoms of a culture where survival instincts clash with the quest for visibility.
Perhaps most revealing is our examination of Suge Knight's prison calls criticizing Snoop Dogg's purchase of Death Row Records. The contrast couldn't be starker – one man bitter and imprisoned, the other evolving into a mainstream cultural icon. This comparison perfectly illustrates the two potential paths for those with street backgrounds: adaptation or stagnation.
Beyond the headlines, we explore how psychological patterns established in dangerous environments continue affecting people long after they've physically left those spaces. The hypervigilance, mistrust, and survival mentality don't simply disappear with success – they become ingrained responses that shape decisions even in safe environments.
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Peace world. How you doing this, mikey fever, nyp hip hop panel. I got my brothers here, clip Trev and Shawnee. Let me try these cheap-ass sound effects.
Speaker 2:Yow, let them joints ring Yo. What happened to our intro man? I missed the beat. What happened to our intro?
Speaker 1:I forgot to press that button for the beat, my bad.
Speaker 2:Yo, what's up Jump to DJ, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm happy to see you brothers. Man, Yo, what's up? Jump the DJ, you know.
Speaker 1:Mike is messing up. Yo, I'm happy to see you brothers, man, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace. Salute to you, shawnee, for real man. You're doing great things.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, oh yeah yeah, yeah, good looking man Like you know he talking about. Oh, you know I had my first parents teaches me and what about first parents teaches me and what? My second one, you know what I'm saying. And, um, my daughter went from uh not meeting x. You know the the level. You know she's just going to school. She's six you know what I'm saying to, of course, exceeding the level. You know what I'm saying. They saying that like that's the biggest jump they've seen thus far.
Speaker 2:You know and um yeah, man, just like you know, as a parent, looking at what I feed my child, to look at her go out in the world and dish it out, is like that's a wonderful feeling. You know what I'm saying. It makes me feel, uh, more secure about her decision making skills in the future. You know what I'm saying because she's already starting off well, set a a pretty decent bar for herself. She got a 92 on a test. It was pissed. One question wrong.
Speaker 1:Nah, she's good man. We got to hear more stories like that. What's going on? What's going on Trev? What's going on Cliff?
Speaker 4:I'm doing good. Shout out to you and your daughter. I feel the same way about Parateacher. Shout out to you and your daughter. I feel the same way about a parent-teacher. Anytime I go, I always got to think back to when I was in school. My mom was with the parent-teacher.
Speaker 4:My kids get a little advantage over me because I don't really agree with the school system per se. I give them a lot of like. I want to tell my son you ain't going to really need this shit later but I ain't going to say that. It's necessary, I know, so I just I give him a little slack because I know how I was as a student.
Speaker 2:No, I mean what you doing is necessary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I mean what you doing is necessary, yo, because, just to chime in, I also had a hand in raising my niece. You know what I'm saying. I share with my brothers, my older brother, he had to go do a little 16 joints. I had to go do my little three joints. When I came home I had my niece. You know what I'm saying. So going back and forth to school with her is where I learned that, because I wasn't too far removed from the situation and just going in with an open mind, just knowing that sometimes teachers can be spiteful and vindictive. They people too, you know what I'm saying. They're people before they're teachers. You have to keep that in mind and just take everything with a grain of salt. If you know your child is talkative, that's one thing. If you know your child is not disrespectful, and then the situations occur where the disrespect had to fly, well then you have to see. Well, what was the situation? It's not an automatic. Well, you have to watch your mouth. It's not like that Exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly. And before we get started, we want to say your background's so dope Rest in peace to George Foreman, Heavyweight legend.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. Matter of fact. Mikey, let's give it more than a thousand, oh yeah definitely. You did share some news prior to.
Speaker 1:So let's give it more than a thousand for your people. Most definitely my stepmoms who passed away. Love you, rest in peace. My brother Grafford, my homie I grew up with, passed away recently last week, from cancer, and you know what I'm saying my uncles.
Speaker 5:God bless man. God bless man, god bless you.
Speaker 4:And the way you said he did it wasn't strong. You know, I guess, commend him for holding that burden and not giving it to y'all to really, you know, you gotta really have some type of strength to say you know what. I'ma just hold it down and do what I gotta do and not let nobody feel what I'm feeling, unfortunately it's like that sometimes, man, because it's a part of life that we all would never get used to.
Speaker 1:Man is death. You know what I'm saying. So it's something that you know. Take it as best as possible, with a grain of salt. You know what I'm saying. Just hold on to the memories and keep it pushing, you know.
Speaker 4:While we still on that, real quick, Sauce Walker, his people passed too. So we want to give a rest in peace to that. And I just found out, right, and I just found out, Memphis is his hometown and just like Goosey said, like you're going to get killed in your hometown.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, unfortunately. Yeah, man, that's wild Like man. There's a lot to talk about that source vocal situation. It's crazy.
Speaker 5:We're going to get into that. Are we going to get into that? I just want to get into the music real fast.
Speaker 1:Oh, don't talk, it's nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shoot, shoot. You're always keeping us back on track.
Speaker 5:So Freddie Gibbs dropped a single Nobody. Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:New Jersey's new artist.
Speaker 5:Crutch Calhoun Did a record with Mike and Keys. That record is out called Breaking New Dope record. Lil Durk dropped a single with Rene Aoki called Can't Hide it, and praise to Durk because he's facing that trial. You know that. Yeah, okay, dog, all right. Ab Soul, python P Coyote. They dropped a record called Run and All Fade Jadakiss Seven and.
Speaker 5:Bibs. They dropped a record called Pain, compton Ave, and Hightone dropped a record called Pain, compton Ave and High Tone dropped a record called Be Right Back and it really ain't that much. I think Slip Thug and my man Propane dropped an album called Double Cup. It ain't really been that much last week. It really ain't been that much in the upcoming week, but that's really mostly it with music. There ain't been a much in the upcoming weeks. So you know, but that's really mostly it for music. There ain't been a lot of people releasing no music. I guess everybody's scared of you know dot-wit right now.
Speaker 1:Hold on, cliff, your sound kind of sounded. Oh, I sound good now. Yeah, you're good now.
Speaker 5:All right, I was saying ain't a lot of music dropping, because you know it's a lot of. I think Kendra got the wave right now.
Speaker 4:They waiting for Erica Badu. They waiting for Erica and Will Smith. Erica Badu and Leo.
Speaker 5:I'm going to wait for that to drop before I really get into it. She got a whole album coming out with Alchemist.
Speaker 1:The word that's going to be crazy. That's going to be Alchemist.
Speaker 2:That's going to be crazy. That's going to be Alchemist and Erykah Badu joint. That's going to be crazy.
Speaker 5:And Primo confirmed that his album Nas is coming soon too.
Speaker 1:Oh yes.
Speaker 4:That's crazy Primo. He's on the wave. He's real selfish with that. I don't mean like that no, but yo.
Speaker 2:But you know what, though? You know what, though it's crazy that you brought that up because I was, because I was, I was just about to touch on that it's coming out now, at a time where people like you and I are going to treat it like gold, because we're going to understand exactly what it is and and, and it's like when you're, when you've reached a certain level, you know certain things are expected of you, and, and you can't just drop this and you can't like now I've been doing this as I can remember, right like it was written nine four, no, no, no, no it was written 9-6.
Speaker 2:I am 9-5, I mean 9-8. He spread that. And then Nasha Thomas. What year Nasha Thomas came?
Speaker 1:out 99, october 99.
Speaker 2:So then that's when you, that's when you sort of caught like a little, come together right there, but then after that it's just like And's, when you sort of caught like a little, come together right there, but then after that it's just like and. Then when you appreciate bars or you appreciate topics, you got to give a man some time to, like, you know, create that. You know what I'm saying Because Nas is always giving us what he's seen. You know Nas, don't dig into the bag of imagination too tough. You know like he's really like the epitome of blues hop. You know he's like the father of blues hop, like everybody like to say he rock him some, but he's actually the father of blues hop you know.
Speaker 1:To add on to what you say, shoney, nas and John was a slept on album. Go back and listen to the album, people. That was a album that was ahead of its time. It's a dark album.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this how do we get from Big U Takedown Yellow Breezy Sauce Waka Shooting and Suge Knight to Nas, because we was?
Speaker 1:talking about the music we was talking about the music section. It, it was going to music.
Speaker 5:Okay, my bad my bad my bad, my bad. No, I was going to the music section. And I was saying that I was saying it's not a lot. It's not a lot that was released last week, but what was announced this week was well, last week was announced that Erykah Badu and Alchemist was dropping an album and Nas and Primo was dropping.
Speaker 1:Can't wait, man.
Speaker 2:So that's how we got to Nas.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, that's gonna be.
Speaker 4:I don't think Nas and Primo are gonna be better than Nas and K-Boy. Now I think the Primo-Nas album is long overdue man, it's overdue. Better than the Nas and Hit-Boy.
Speaker 1:Hit-Boy.
Speaker 4:I think the Primo Nas album is long overdue man, it's overdue, but I don't think it's going to have what Nas and Hit-Boy did.
Speaker 1:Nas and Hit-Boy got six albums man.
Speaker 4:Crazy. That was like yo, come on, I'm bored, you know, and Nas is going to boo booth, who, I think somewhere where they said they were working with now and I was just eating fruit in the studio. Oh, what's that?
Speaker 1:boy, what was it ron brown's?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, that's crazy, you do. You do ether. Ether was crazy. You go in there, he's chilling, he's eating food, probably light and some and then come Jay-Z.
Speaker 5:Let's get into these topics now, brother.
Speaker 1:Yo the big, you take down man Brothers. We've seen the headlines. The FBI reports they were investigational. He's dying in jail.
Speaker 4:Let's start there.
Speaker 4:Yes, unfortunately, he's dying in jail. Because I said this earlier 30 years old, going to jail at 30, 40, 50, and 60 sounds crazy. Yeah, at 60 years old, going to jail, like yo, it's like yo, how you, you know that pissed me off, because it's like when do you grow up? You done, lived all these decades, made it out of you. You're making money, you, you, you, you kind of successful, you know you're doing your thing and you still want to play and keep one foot in. And you're 60. It ain't like you could go and sit down and do 20 years. I bet you, as soon as you sit down, he's going to have some health complications.
Speaker 4:Sugar's in the foot Magically right, when you get sent away and you sit down, you get. You got time to think, your body gets time to rest. But you've been running and now, all of a sudden, you're gonna see all these elements you neglected while you was out exploring and doing all this other nonsense. Now you're gonna sit down and you're gonna be on crutches or something's just going to. It's crazy how black men think. I swear to God. It's crazy.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say this man, when it comes to Big U all that led up to this point a lot was happening around his name. When it comes to Nipsey, supposedly his name was thrown in Nipsey's death, uh, murder. And then later on on the internet they had, uh, some guy by the name of 600 he's a crypt whack, 100, who's a power blood or whatever you want to call it and then you got Brick Baby and Loose Cannon. They all kind of have big U's name in their mouth on the internet and, believe it or not, the feds are watching. The feds are watching and you know, I think you know them talking online a lot could. I don't think it got him booked per se, but I will say that all of the stuff that happens online, it does contribute to people going down. So you know, that's just my take on it. You know, I don't know if you guys are watching what's going on surrounding his name loose cannon, calling him a big useless. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:He wasn't a spotlight. Big U been around entertainment for years, Since the days when Tiny Lister what we know as Zeus or Big R, what's his name again Deebo. That character was based off Big U Because Big U was also Corrupt's manager when Corrupt left Defro. He knew DPG very well. As he mentioned, Daz was the most terrorist member of Dogpam. So Big U always had ties in the street and ties in the industry.
Speaker 5:But the problem is the quick version of shit night.
Speaker 1:Exactly what happened? Is that the problem? As Malcolm said it, those cameras are narcotic. If you don't know how to control yourself, you get caught out there. A lot of these dudes like to be in front of the camera talking reckless. That's what happens If you go on these podcasts, all these culture vultures. You're basically telling on yourself and you're going to be like somebody snitched on me.
Speaker 3:I'm going to tell you this Big U played his hand really well on the Internet. He did big interviews like Snoop and things like that, and I think Shaq, he did something with Shaq and he was making big moves on the Internet. But I'm talking about the guys who were associated with Big U. Yeah, they would always put his name in the middle of little riffs and things like that. And I don't know if you saw this, but Loose Cannon was online talking about how him and Big U were in the chicken and waffle Roscoe chicken and waffle spot when PNB Rock got gunned down.
Speaker 2:I heard him say he was there. I didn't hear him say Big U was there. I heard him say he was there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he said him, and Big U.
Speaker 1:The point I was trying to make was you gotta move very militant out here. If I'm a person that stature, I'll quail the little loose ends around me. It's like Paulie the Mob in Goodfellas Before you speak to me, I'll have one person designated to speak to me. Nobody else is going to have easy access to talk to me. I'm going to have six people you have to go through before you speak to me, right, you don't?
Speaker 4:work like that for blacks, because a lot of us still want that light Narcotic and I feel like this. I feel like Big U was a jealous type dude. You know what I mean. And when you say that at least the Italians and all them other ethnic groups that deal with crime, they're more organized Blacks. It's more or less like yo you can't make $2 over the next man, even in crime. There's really no honor among thieves when it comes to our community.
Speaker 4:And if they kept Big U's name in their mouth, I'm going to be honest with you, somebody's going to tell. They're going to tell it all because, like I said, 30, 40, 50, 60 years old going to prison, that time is different. That time is totally different. And I think when judges see that you really had a chance to do something better as a grown man and not mess it up for others, they're going to hit Big U hard. They're going to hit him hard with some time. He ain't never coming home. He knows the numbers that can bring him home.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny though? It's like you start to see the chess game now, right, like if you think about the situation Big U was in, and then you look at Wack, right, wack don't really keep nobody around him, like that Exactly. You don't see him with nobody. He talk what he talk, he say what he is, he claim what he claim, but you don't really see people around him. And if you do see people around him, like they don't look like they in that kind of a situation.
Speaker 2:So, it's not. I don't think it's going to be too many people, just just from that aspect. Right, that kid is playing the game very well, like whack is the one playing the game Well. Playing the internet Well, like he's. He's playing this internet game like chess, like he watching the enemies just drop off, like he's probably kicked back laughing feet up having a jolly old song.
Speaker 4:You know, thinking about what's the next thing to make a ruckus about exactly because he done figured out a way to get out the street a lot of you know the way to get out the street. It's just of people don't know the way to get out the street. It's just I still want this connection to the street for whatever reason, and that's the problem, right there.
Speaker 3:Well, Trev, LA is, I think LA and Chicago. They're like two of the gang capitals. I guess Now, just like hip-hop for us is like our culture, right? So we walk, talking, we walk and talk, without even trying Like out there. It's like it's the same thing with gang culture. They can't, it's something that they can't get rid of. It's just so much a part of their culture. Their grandmothers, mothers of gang members, aunts and gang members.
Speaker 2:But ain't nobody talking against that.
Speaker 4:It's still the way I'm going to move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but I'm saying that's not no excuse, because it's still the way that you move. You still got to learn how to move Wacking through all of that and still know how to move. It be a bunch of them, old blood heads that be talking, and every time you see them they ain't got nobody with them.
Speaker 5:Exactly.
Speaker 2:They don't have nobody with them. You know what I'm saying. It's always these people who got everybody around them talking about what they talking. And look at I mean even in Philly, look at AR, you know what I'm saying. Ar just talking crazy. Philly, look at AR, you know what I'm saying. Ar just talking crazy. Everybody go there. You just talking this. That third, fourth, all y'all out here, everybody share cell, y'all all go there.
Speaker 1:Cameras are narcotic. Cameras are narcotic.
Speaker 2:Right. So it's not a lot of people who I think travels allude into this. It's not a lot of people who can like sing through that part. You know what I'm saying? They still want that fame, they still want this, they still they still so focused on that they don't see when it's coming. Because, look at everybody, that's even. What's the big? What's the big dude who always talking about fighting? What's his name?
Speaker 1:he always talk about fighting uh the pl Plumber Nah nah nah 4Xtra 4Xtra.
Speaker 3:He went down.
Speaker 2:He went down and he just started getting his name rolling out there.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, yeah, everybody who was claiming whatever they was claiming on whatever podcast you was on. And then that's when the question becomes when are you gonna realize when you sold your culture? How, what, like? How much are you actually living by your culture? Because clandestine? You supposed to be clandestine about your culture, you supposed to be quiet about it, it's not supposed to be out in the open, and so on and so forth. But all of a sudden you, you talking to people who are far outside the culture, you making a bag off of this, like you keep saying. You know everybody wants to say you're on the dad homies, but how much of your dad homies family getting money off that bag you getting off?
Speaker 1:this thing, talk about it, talk about it you know what I'm saying, talk about it.
Speaker 2:So now, at the end of the day, when they tie a knot on that, it's a bubble, like we've seen bubbles in America before Real estate bubble, dot com bubble. We've seen bubbles before. So maybe this interviewing straight from the street like maybe this is the bubble, maybe it's popping Now they got y'all.
Speaker 1:Yo, I want to add to that what you said, shawnee, and I want to be clear. Nobody's glorifying the street life here for the listeners and viewers. The people I was raised around you wouldn't know who was who, who got their hands dirty because these guys didn't want to be on a camera talking about these things. They were not proud of it. Everything was kept on a hush. I could be standing next to somebody who hands is very dirty and people don't even know that's that person right there. You get what I'm saying. They're not on front straight talking about it. So that's why what I said earlier is how my upbringing this is what I learned from them. They said yo, I never had people talk to me directly, bro, I go through four people before you get to me. You get what I'm saying. Anything you gotta say. You see it. Say to that man right there don't talk.
Speaker 5:I just want to know when did it become cool for gangsters and street cats and I'm not glorifying the streets, but when did it become cool to talk about your street dealings on camera?
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 5:When did it become cool?
Speaker 1:Narcotics I wasn't raised around that type.
Speaker 5:So a lot of that stuff looks goofy to me because, from what I was taught, the code of the streets is silence.
Speaker 3:You know what's crazy it's the OGs doing it, y'all OGs is following my youngest. Right, but what we're missing, like I was saying earlier, was we don't really understand they have a whole different culture. You know what I'm saying? That gang culture is just a culture. That is a culture, it's a way of life, it's hard to keep. It's a culture, it's a way of life. It's hard to keep it suppressed, suppressed.
Speaker 4:But you should hate Snoop, yeah, and you should hate Snoop.
Speaker 5:Look at Snoop though.
Speaker 4:Look at Snoop he still represents Crips to the fullest. Whether he's on Martha Stewart, cooking in the kitchen or doing all that, he still represents Crips. But he knows the business side too. I'm still Crips, I'm a rep, that coach, but I'm also a businessman, I'm also a father, I'm also an artist. They really have to know the difference between they got to know who they are first. I think big youth always stuck with the I'm the street, I want to be the street legend, I want to be like that ship knight, like Cliff said.
Speaker 1:Yo, yo, back to that. That's the problem, right there. I hate what Ron is saying, but this is something that's globally. And to ask what Cliff was saying as well Everyone want to talk. They street dealings on camera. Ar Ab Philly Dudes out here, new York Think about all these little drill dudes out here. They want to go on camera. Yo, I did this, I did that and you know they do it for the notoriety, but they burn themselves out Because somebody's documenting everything.
Speaker 5:The burn themselves out because somebody's documenting everything. The feds are watching you. The fans are documenting everything. The fans are giving up everything that we have, I can come from the fans. They don't even be from the coaches. They be from the people that like y'all.
Speaker 3:The fans is having a closing cases. Yeah, hold on. Hold on one second. Yo Trev, I cut your mic because when other people talk there's feedback, so I'm going to cut my fault.
Speaker 4:Um no, I was saying the feds work remotely. Now they ain't gotta go home. I mean, they ain't gotta go to work they need to go to instagram. Go to youtube, watch a video. You got every lyric in your video. You got every gun in your video. You got every gang member in your video. You got the address. You're showing the street sign.
Speaker 2:But you know, you know it's funny though it's not about street culture, it's not about that anymore.
Speaker 2:It's about the imitation of it. Right, and it's so crazy there's so many people imitating it, there's so many people that want to portray that image and they may really be doing these things, but it's still not them, because you still got gangsters who still move in silence. And then you got people who are doing wild things for reputation, like I don't think that's ever going to go anywhere. People are always wild for respect, right, right. And then now you have a lot of people who maybe didn't get a chance to do that when they should have been doing it, and now you got this camera rolling. Now they get to. You know, live this out, live this fantasy out, put the, put the whole world on. That's probably what these older dudes is doing, these younger dudes, like I said, when you, when you don't really see anybody being successful, right, anybody like living past 20, something, everybody you look up to be dying young, look at vaughn like right, like looking at the vaughn for whatever reason.
Speaker 2:Let's just, let's just look up to vaughn for surviving in in in drastic situations let's just say that, but he died like all of them, mo three and mo and Mo Mo is like that dude, he off this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, to segue into it, being that we're bringing up Mo3, let's go straight into Yellow Breezy.
Speaker 1:So, mike, you put Yellow Breezy is yellow, you know, listen, I'm using the correct spelling. My bad, don't disrespect.
Speaker 2:My spellcheck, baby Spellcheck.
Speaker 3:That corporate world got you, but anyway.
Speaker 2:Ron too Ron too, Listen, don't let Ron fool you, I will have that report on your desk by 9 am in the morning I do the IT stuff.
Speaker 1:Man, I be busting my brains.
Speaker 3:Yo, but Yellow Breezy. So Yellow Breezy was just arrested for his connection. Well, not connection. Well, basically, hit man for hire. Hit man for hire for Mode 3. The thing about it is Mode 3 was way more talented than Yellow Breezy Hitman for hire. Hitman for hire For Mo3. The thing about it is Mo3 was way more Talented than Yellow Breezy. It was just way more talented and that haircut, that haircut.
Speaker 1:What's that haircut about, bro? What's that? A mullet and a Caesar?
Speaker 2:He said a mullet and a Caesar you took him like.
Speaker 4:You get the high breed.
Speaker 2:What's that like?
Speaker 5:the number 43. What's that like the number?
Speaker 2:43?.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 5:That's a Dallas Texas thing. Stop, stop that style with his hair up here and it's like a little mullet in the back. That's a Dallas Texas thing. Dudes from the hood out there, that's what they do so like. That's not part of up north culture.
Speaker 1:That's a Texas culture thing, culture thing, all right. All right, my bad and no offense. I was like I thought it was a mullet, I'm like oh all right, that's big, that's big thing you know.
Speaker 4:but let me ask you, y'all listen to yellow bz? No, because I was, I, I, I, I remember he had a little little run for it seemed like a good week. It's too much music. I'm not trying to disrespect him or anything like that, but I don't really know for us to listen to his type of music.
Speaker 2:No, but it's Texas, though. I get that. I get that and I know the South is different and that's such a huge place you know what I'm saying, I get that you could be huge there and nobody know why you are like here.
Speaker 4:no, no, I get that and the south is different, because I know the south really support each other because they not jumping on trains and going downtown to Sony and shit like that. You just can't move how we move up here you know what I'm saying, and then I'm looking at the whole situation like yo. Capital murder and murder for hire are some of the craziest charges I have never thought I would hear that's associated with music. It's crazy.
Speaker 5:It's wild, we gotta stop associating it with music, though. We gotta start keeping that shit associated with the streets, like that don't. What they doing ain't got nothing to do with music, I'm gonna say you know to do with music.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna say you know what yo?
Speaker 2:I'm a harp on that too. You know why, yo, when you think about the drill music, right, it never was meant to Get out like that. It was never meant for that. It was never meant for anybody to be hearing it. So I I think you're absolutely right with that point, because none of that, how you say it, it was really just meant for disrespect, like from one set to the next. It never was really meant to go any further than that but neither was hip-hop, though, so neither was hip-hop.
Speaker 3:I think personally my own opinion that streets and music, business and mafia and all of that shit is intertwined. American business period capitalism is mob shit, so it's gangster. America is gangster in general, so business and all of that is all tied together. So whatever's coming up out of uh society shows and perpet is perpetuated through the music. So it's all tied. It's all tied together, but like the yellow beezy thing, man, um, it's all tied together. But like the yellow beezy thing, man, um, like the hitman for hire. Please, bro, like you saying you just said something like uh, to have that tied into the music industry. You know how many. You know how many people probably got hit over the years on. You know, in the music industry, yeah, but now.
Speaker 2:But that's a little different though, because it's like it's so. It's like chicago, right, it's like. It's like that, um, it's like when duck died, right, like a lot of people were saying like duck was the talented dude, duck had to go. Like that, that's that's what a lot of people were saying. Like duck is a talented dude, duck gotta go. So it's like in certain areas where people have to dominate that area in order to get their bag, that's becoming a situation because it's like yo, they really looking, they really they looking at it like the block. Like to them, it's just another way to get money. Like and I think that's the part that a lot of people be missing right like these be people like like, think about dolph. Right, dolph says something like yo, it cost him 250 000 to get his joint rolling. It's before he died. Rest in peace, dolph. Right, it cost him $250,000 to get his single rolling, where you get $250,000 from. So when you think about it, this music thing, to a lot of them it's just an added hustle.
Speaker 2:Cleaning their money and not even worried about cleaning the bread, just trying to accumulate as much bread as possible, when you've already taken into consideration you could die young or go to jail young and it be over. Like when you start taking all those things into consideration, then everything is just in the same bag to you right now, and then you never really thought it was going to go beyond your city. You're not thinking something from your block to the next block and Texas is going to be news in New York. You're not thinking about that. Off the rip you just man for my little, what I got to protect man, you got to go. Oh, and then it's like what happened? Like didn't he, didn't he, didn't he? Um, then he had something to do with with mo three partner getting killed or something like that. That's, that's what it was right that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5:That's what the accusation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they're saying, man. That that's, that's sad, you know, like that kid just wanted to fight too.
Speaker 5:You see in his videos, you see him yeah, but when I say it's not the music, like like, I don't think people are dying over music, I think people are dying over street shit, exactly Right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. To me, the music is not a representation of the street shit. The street shit is a representation of what's going on in the music. That's hip-hop culture. Hip-hop culture is arts. It's the street, urban culture that cultivated arts. Right, yelabeezy ain't getting locked up because he made a rap record. He didn't get locked up because he did some other shit that ain't got nothing to do with a rap record. It's just that they all are somewhat what they call street artists. But technically this beef ain't got nothing to do with music. This beef that y'all got got something to do with something totally different yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I don't like about this story? Right, this is Now. I don't want to keep saying this about so-called black people, but it's like the doom and the gloom and the oh. Now you can't trust anybody. The whole outpour effect, like because uh, yellow, yellow breezy and um in uh mode three. They were tight, they were close and then they had a little rift, they broke apart and now uh, what's his name is implicated in the murder for higher charge. Now with with this whole situation, you know. So now I'm seeing memes don't trust nobody and all this type of stuff. And you know, I just think that um, with this situation is it's unfortunate, it's not like a normalcy. This is not something that happens normal in our community. We need to stop acting like it's something normal.
Speaker 5:Hold on.
Speaker 1:No, Norman, in one sense. Before you go, Cliff, you're talking about as far as the criminal charges, no, as far as the. Before you go, Clip, you talking about as far as the criminal charges as far as the cutthroat, there's a lot of cutthroats out here, but it's cutthroats all over the place. That's what I'm saying Everywhere.
Speaker 5:But in the streets it is cutthroat. So best friends become enemies all the time in the streets. That's not like some new thing. Who's to say that they was best friends? They probably just cool.
Speaker 1:I want to add one thing to a clip before you go. If Cain could slay Nabal, his own brother, anything is possible, bro, in this world. Anything. My mom always told me don't trust the hearts of men. You know, if he breathes air like you, he breathes like like you. He'll betray you any second man or woman.
Speaker 3:But see that's my issue, mike. That's my issue. That that talk right there, right, that prevents us from really truly trusting each other and being able to really work in harmony and getting big shit done, big things done. No, you're right about that. That's just my pardon me, brother. That's my issue with the conversation that black people have surrounding tragedy. It's like a spiral of negativity going downward and now it's a part of your mental makeup, it's a part of your subconscious mind. So now, when it's time to do business, now, when it's time to do business, when it's time to do certain things, it's like a little side eye crabs in a barrel type of situation. It's like a. It's like a constant conversation that we all have not all of us, but a lot of us have, you know surrounding these types of situations and other things, and that's just something I just wanted to put out there. Now.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm, I'm gonna add to what you said. This is something that's a universal principle, like yes, you could have, you could be, you could have an open heart, receive people very well welcoming, but you still got to keep an open eye.
Speaker 3:It's not about being paranoid, it's just that human beings will default at time but what open eye are you keeping though you're, you're not in the streets, you're not, alright prime example.
Speaker 1:You say we can't unify for business, right? Why do we have contracts for what clauses? It's to verify you stick by your word. You go to court. They tell you swear. You know what I'm saying. To make sure you broke a court, and it's not only in the streets, it's everywhere.
Speaker 2:That's something you can't trust. But you just got to be on point. You gotta look out for certain things, man. You know what I'm saying. You know why? Why america has a military, I think. I think contracts and signing a name to agreements is one thing and trust on the block is a totally different thing especially like nowadays, right, because it's like, like you know, backdooring like that's a thing like.
Speaker 2:Like that's like a thing to the point where we call it something now right, like so you have people that are getting close to you and then opening the door for the ops, like that's like so it's like there is a reason to not be trusted, depending on what lifestyle you live in you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:It is a reason Yo hold up. Now you're right. What Shawnee said is a fact. My mom was telling me and she was telling me just be careful out in this world. Growing up, not saying to be paranoid, she just say just be careful, don't wear your heart in your sleeve. Don't wear your heart in your sleeve. It's not just black people.
Speaker 5:Trust I'll be honest with you, bro. I really don't trust nobody but myself, and that's just how. And that doesn't mean that people are foul, it just means I understand that people gonna do what people do. So the only thing I could do is put the best trust in myself to try to be a good person and try to treat people with the same energy that I want given to me. That's, that's all I can do that's all you can do now.
Speaker 3:now, um, I this what I always say I trust people to be themselves regardless. So I mean, obviously I'm not going to give you my credit card, I'm not going to give you my card information. That's kind of like, you know, goes without saying. You know, however, I'm going to trust you enough to make sure that you know I can go with you here, I can go with you here, we can. What are we actually really doing not to trust each other? You know, I'm saying like I agree with that you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:nobody's, nobody's killing nobody. Nobody's shooting bus and guns. Nobody's in the streets, nobody's. You know I'm saying like we grown men. You know I'm saying like with jobs and shit, grown men, you know what I'm saying With jobs and shit like that, yeah, but you around like-.
Speaker 5:You around like-.
Speaker 1:Like-minded people. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm just saying my mom told me in general growing up she always told me to protect myself Because, yeah, remember, my pops left. So she's like I'm saying you got to watch out for certain people, because people will, as you said, will be themselves. You'll be betrayed in life, you know. There's a point.
Speaker 4:I think it's more like psychological though. When you think about it. It's psychological that like what Ron is saying is true, like what we not, like what reason? But everybody, everything you're saying is definitely true because we're all. We may be all from the ghetto, but we ain't from the same household you know, so we all had all different type of teaching that not trusting and beware your surroundings.
Speaker 4:it becomes psychological as you get older because even you take weeks. A lot of us claim to be street because we lived in the hood, so you bring that into your work world as you get older so you start to the streets and corporate are parallel anyway. So you really can't trust people, even when you're working, because somebody is really trying to get up the ladder.
Speaker 4:however, they're trying to get it and they're going to cut your feet where you stand to get to move up sometime. Cya, yeah, cya. And it's psychological because you take that with you no matter where you go. I'm pretty sure if we went somewhere in the safest area in the world, we still are going to look like this can't be true. I can't trust nobody over here, I don't care how trustworthy y'all are, how safe it is. Something about this does not seem safe or trustworthy to me because it's psychological to us and we just bring that with us everywhere we go. And once we let go of that and realize I can trust some people, but there are other people I know I gotta watch out for and I can't give them my credit card or my house keys because I know some shit is gonna be missing.
Speaker 3:It's like this. Let me ask you something real quick, though. Okay, who are we not trusting, and why not?
Speaker 5:Everybody, everybody.
Speaker 4:We're not trusting us because we're taught not to trust us, because it's like we're so caught up on survival mode and it's like we're caught up on survival mode. Our culture is caught up in you gotta get money, you gotta get money, you gotta get money and when you get money, you take care of you. It's a bunch of selfishness going on and that's being taught. And then some people take it to the extreme where, no matter how good of a person you are, it's all they always looking at it. As there's some gray here. No matter how much color you show them, I'm going to always look at the gray and it's never black and white. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying I go through that, I go through that every day. It could be as raw as it is. People look at me and think, nah, it's too good to be true.
Speaker 5:It's not even that we all got PTSD bro.
Speaker 1:That's a fact.
Speaker 5:We all got all from the communities that we come from. It's a natural from the eras that we come from, from the drug era, the crime era, like everything. We come from poverty neighborhoods where it's nothing but crime, so we got PTSD just on the brain without even thinking about it. It's a natural thing for us because of the environments we come from. We gotta we be standing outside of a block minding our business and still be doing this Like think about it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I mean me, me personally, when it comes to, like, security for me, my head is always on a swivel, like I'm always on a super point, you know what I'm saying. Like even up here, where, where it's like really low, low, low crime. My head is on, my head is on a swivel, but when it comes, I'm talking we're talking about specifically yellow breezy, when he was in a situation where he was even hanging out with somebody who, uh, clip said he could have been cool with. I mean, like the people who I'm cool with right now, I don't have to worry about them putting a hit out on me.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying and that's what I was trying to. That's what I was trying to get to. When you talk and trust, what world are you talking, trusting?
Speaker 2:right exactly because you, you, you are comparing right in the world that you live in, you can afford a level of trust. It's a, it's a luxury, as, as we can see now that we're speaking about it, right, you can afford a level of trust in certain situations you can't afford a level in. In poverty stricken situations, you can't afford a level of trust. So that's that's where I think, where you're correct. That is, if you're, you know, looking from a different world, right, then you're correct. You should be able to say OK, you think like, I think, you're trying to get ahead, you know. All right, maybe we could put something together and bust a move.
Speaker 2:But in situations like that, where it's too many other people involved, it's too much wildness involved, like you can't really afford that much trust. You know, and things change from day to day out there.
Speaker 4:Can I say this Can I say this to what Mikey said earlier about contracts Now we talking trust, right, and we all get it. Like you said, poverty stricken areas so yeah, the trust is so lax, right, but even when you go and you move up those ladders and you move out these poverty stricken neighborhoods and you start to venture off, you still take that with you because, like Mikey said, there's contracts, right.
Speaker 1:And then those contracts.
Speaker 4:when you go into those corporate worlds and things like that, there's language that you don't understand, and a lot of people may understand the language, and knowing that you don may understand though the language. And and knowing that you don't understand the language, that's where the trust gets broken, because you're going to do something. It's just like with these artists they can sell all these records but still won't be able to recruit. They don't know how to count. They don't know how to count how many records they sold. They tell you how much a stream is worth. It's like in those corporate worlds, they always move in a gold boat, so you've got to have. We have to look at it like damn, I can't go nowhere Like even Ron said he proved my point.
Speaker 4:Even up here, where it's quiet and it's humble and I'm pretty sure people just go to work, come home, clean up, you know, fix their house on the weekend. But because Ron comes from where he comes from, it's always looked like as it's too quiet for me. Something's going to go wrong and it's unfortunate because, like I said, it's more psychological than anything when it comes to us and no matter how far we move, we're still taking that piece of the hood with us.
Speaker 1:It don't matter how far we go. Social construct.
Speaker 5:It's not even just the hood. We come into an environment where we're around more white people and we already know the history of them. So now we even got to be even more on point, like because they can get real funny with us too. So it's just, that's just how we are. It's just the environment. We got to come to the environment in the hood. We got to be on PTSD, we got to be on edge because we know that the hood get crazy. But then when we move out of the hood and get to a better ourselves and get to a better environment, now we got to be shaky about that environment. We don't know these people that we live in. They don't want us in that environment right, you know what.
Speaker 2:That's why it's being alert a part of pardon me? Is being alert a part of being trusting, or or is? This different things. You know what I'm saying because it's like your your level of alertness, uh, is going to be determined by your surroundings. I'm just trying to figure out if that has anything to do with trust or if that's just survival instinct. Like, and that's I'm trying to figure out. I think it has anything to do with trust or if that's just survival instinct.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to figure that out. I think it has more to do with survival instinct, that's a good Meshed together.
Speaker 1:That's a good analysis he made. It goes hand-in-hand, though it goes hand-in-hand they parallel, I think, to a certain extent, though.
Speaker 3:To a certain extent. But you know what. You know what this means for me. I need to hit another tax bracket. I need to hit another tax bracket.
Speaker 4:So I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't want to hear anything. I don't want to hear anything.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear anything.
Speaker 4:I don't want to hear anything. Stay over here. Stay over here. Stay over here. They go up there. You go to that tax bracket run, run I got.
Speaker 1:I got listen to 50 cent interview with Gilly. He said the richer he got, the more paranoid he came with his money. I have to be, he said. I have to be very careful when I'm outside. He says I always have. He spends a million to more money more exactly let's take, let's take it on the side he says I always have. He spends a million to More money, more problems.
Speaker 3:Exactly. Let's take it on to Salsawaka shooting. Now, Salsawaka was shot. I don't know what condition he's in now, but when I heard he was in critical condition and then he's about to get released.
Speaker 3:Okay, good, because what I know about the situation. He signed an artist named Say so P and Say so P supposedly allegedly robbed a plug some time ago in Memphis for $200,000. And he went back to Memphis with Sosa Walker flexing on a gram and all of that stuff. Allegedly gunmen hopped out the vehicle, gunned him down, murdered him and then Soswaka. And they were about to finish. Soswaka looked over and saw Soswaka and they just let him go. They let him fly. What happened?
Speaker 5:He keeps saying Walker, he definitely did.
Speaker 2:Yo, he just was making fun of Mikey for speaking extra correct, and then he gonna say Walker.
Speaker 3:Sauce Walker my bad, my bad.
Speaker 5:I've been calling him Sauce Walker for a long time. My bad, my bad.
Speaker 3:Corporate run. Hold on, hold on. I've been calling him Sauce Walker for a long time. I'm actually I don't want to call him. I'm going to say I was a supporter of Sauce Walker when he first came out and he's been putting in a lot of work for years. I've been listening to his music at least 10 years.
Speaker 4:Shout out to you, rob, because you definitely gave a description, because I didn't know all of that. I didn't know that he ran off on the plug. I just heard that he, um, he went back home and they murdered him.
Speaker 2:I didn't know what I thought I thought it was over, though I thought it was over the dice game. They say he, they say he was shaking out with some loaded dice or something like that. It that's a couple of stories out there, man.
Speaker 3:That's a couple of stories out there. I don't know. I didn't hear about the loaded dice situation, but I did hear more. I heard he caught somebody robbed somebody for 200K that could have been robbed with dice or that could have been robbed at gunpoint.
Speaker 2:He was running around with them loaded dice. His moms had put a statement out not too long ago about how her son, he ain't do nothing for no two hundred thousand, he have to do no dice game, or he it was a bunch of things. She said he ain't have to rob nobody, he have to do no dice games for no two hundred thousand. And you know it was a lot that.
Speaker 5:You know it was a lot that she said about that situation so it's a lot of stories out there you know, she came to his defense.
Speaker 2:Right, she came to his defense, but there's too many, like you know, there's posts out there that show like she back her boy and what he do. Like you know, he ain't do this, he to get you this, he to get you that. But it's posts out there where he tagged her to it. Like yo, you know, I've been riding around with these hammers and robbing people and now now I'm going to turn my life around, you understand. So it's one of them situations. First, it's Memphis, the murder capital. Memphis ain't one of them places you play around with.
Speaker 3:But I'm going to say this you know, you know to make it a little lighter Shouts out to Sauce Walker. Oh my gosh, sauce Walker, Walker, for knowing like he has a ear and he has, he can see, he can look at a star, he can pick a star. He's a. He. He's great at, uh, a and R. He's great at A and R. Um, say so P, he's good, he can really rap. He can really rap. He can really rap. Say so P. Now, something I went down to rabbit hole a little bit about this there's another guy by the name of Say so the Mac from LA who looks similar to Say so P. They both have braids, they both light-skinned dudes, and Say so the Mac was killed as well some months ago. I thought that was. They both have the same name. They were actually talking about working together as well. That's just a little something that I found out on the story their journalism.
Speaker 2:Ain't this like the second time? Sauce got shot, sauce stay getting shot. Sauce, stay getting shot.
Speaker 3:Sauce stay in shit. Plus, you know he's blood and all of that too.
Speaker 5:Those dudes be flashing money everywhere they go. You're a target off the rip, Even if you ain't really in no beef. When you keep flashing money like that, the wolves is out and they coming for it. You can't keep flashing money in front of poor people. When you keep doing that, you create enemies that you don't even know you got.
Speaker 1:I want to say something. This is becoming too common amongst young black males, especially in the hip hop, because the music is full of different genres. But within hip hop, a lot of young men are being gunned down, which I find very disheartening.
Speaker 5:And unfortunate.
Speaker 1:To work so hard to get what you need to get so you could die In such a fashion like that. That is Disgusting man. Something has to shift with the culture. The culture has to shift so you could die in such a fashion like that. That is that's. That's that's. It's disgusting man. Something has to shift with the culture. The culture has to shift, it has to shift.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny, though as as much as check this out, as much as we push the artists right, as much as we've been pushing artists, we've also been pushing the person who been robbing the artists too. Like, like Jimmy henchman, like we've been pushing both sides of this, like even when Wolf was doing his thing, like we've been like we've been really pushing both sides. This is a side of these things that should have never been spoke about, but we've really been pushing both sides. And now, like you have so much access to be what you want, so now you got a bunch of people who want to be rappers and a bunch of people who want to rob rappers, like, like that's what you have now. That's the dynamic, you know what I'm saying. Who getting paid the jail in the cemetery, and then, when you think about it, it kind of stemmed back to the meeting in the 80s that kind of created the NWA. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:I don't hear about producers getting shot. That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 5:I don't hear about too many producers out here getting shot. We ain't in the camera. We be all out in the spotlight making beats and minding our business A lot of these dudes want to be in the spotlight all day flocking.
Speaker 3:Sauce Walker, though he is a different breed. First of all, he's from Houston. However, he is also from Chicago at the same time. His family lives in Chicago and in Houston, so he's back and forth and he's also a blood. He's been in prison, supposedly he's a hitter and all of that. So he's like a real street guy, pimp too. So he's a real live street guy. And it's hard just like it's hard for us to shake off the ps, pt with sd or whatever and uh the, uh the, the hood and head on the swivel stuff. It's the same thing. It's hard for him to shake the hood, street blood, gang member, gang life type thing. Just as just. As well as big you, just we, just same thing with big U and Yellow Breezy. It's hard for all of us to shake this stuff, you know, to bring it on home, bring it all in together.
Speaker 5:I mean, I was making beats Real quick, Ron, let me tell you something.
Speaker 4:I'll fuck with all of y'all, of course, right If you, if I see y'all.
Speaker 4:I don't want to say force, bro, If you know if I see y'all I'm just kidding If I see any one of y'all at 60 years old talk about what sets you claim and you changing your seeds to be at 60. Okay, and you're an uncle and you're going to PT it. Sam, it's crazy how the older generation is acting like the younger generation. There has to be a point to say you know what? Enough is enough. Let me do this. I done did all this already. My bones can't take this much more work. I can't do this. I done did all this already. My bones can't take this much more work.
Speaker 2:I can't do nothing now, you know what I'm saying, Y'all ain't gonna lie Trev.
Speaker 1:They have no point.
Speaker 2:I know somebody who's been around for a couple of couplers.
Speaker 4:I know I believe you.
Speaker 2:I believe you, he gotta keep a certain mentality because he's still on the ground with the Thundercats. I know, you know what I'm saying. So it's like if you still, you got to remember even individuals who like to a certain extent right, individuals who turned that way because that's how it was to survive where they didn't think they was going to leave. And now, where they didn't think they was going to leave, they haven't left and it's changing, it's getting a little bit more vicious. So now you got to kind of keep up. You know what I'm saying. So it's like it kind of stunted your ability to mature because you already accepted you wasn't going any further years ago. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's a good point. Now let's go to Suge Knight, because I don't even know what I don't know, I'm not even oh.
Speaker 1:Suge man. Suge is making a lot of prison calls to that dude Art of. Dialogue and Suge is just. He's talking about everything from Death Row. What's Shug?
Speaker 2:talking about.
Speaker 1:Snoop Dogg buying Death Row. He's talking about Death Row, taking from him Harry Owen and Dr Dre. Deion Sanders owing him some money.
Speaker 5:It's over. No disrespect. But, shug, you went in when you was 50 years old. You got 28 years. It's over. No disrespect, meshuggah, you went in when you was 50 years old. You got 28 years, it's over. Whatever you saying don't even matter, because you in jail.
Speaker 1:It's over.
Speaker 5:You had death row when it was $400 million up. You did everything to lose it. You can't be mad that the people that stayed out, stayed free, continued to carry on good business, bought out the label and got everything back that you took from them in the beginning, Exactly.
Speaker 2:And now you mad.
Speaker 5:Now you mad Don't get me wrong. I ain't got nothing against Sugar as a human being, because I don't know him. But what I'm saying is you put yourself in jail. You put yourself in these situations. You got to deal with that. I don't care if Snoop Dogg is a punk, I don't care, he's free. He's free. He about to do the Olympics, he about to do this. None of that matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you living in the past, jack, yeah, yeah, yo. Everybody who knows snoop, like, like, like was stated earlier, majority of the people who know snoop today know him from martha stewart or they know him from let it be recent, recent, and you know him from the movie he did with the kids, like no one knows Snoop from back in the day, doggy style and all of that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was 30 years ago, bro. Right, you holding on to 30-year-old drama that shows you why.
Speaker 2:That's all you got left to sell. Yo what you saying, ron, this is America and America's built on gangsterism. And listen, if that's all you got, that's all he got left to sell. He can't sell his self. That's all he got left.
Speaker 5:What makes it even crazier? Snoop tried to reconcile all his past issues and beef and let it go Like yo. All right, look, I know we had our problems, but let me let it go, because without you I wouldn't even be Snoop Dogg, right. So let's get past this, because at this point if I'm in jail, I'm trying to be cool with everybody that can put some money on my books. I'm sorry, no disrespect, but that's just me.
Speaker 3:I'm just I'm sitting in jail after coming from an empire and I messed it up. I'm bitter as a motherfucker.
Speaker 1:I'm dissing everybody alright shit, they're gonna run night. Are you mad at everybody? Motherfucker, I'm dissing everybody. All right, shub Ron Knight. They're going to Ron Knight. Are you mad at everybody?
Speaker 5:else he said I'm bitter.
Speaker 2:How long do you think you've been in this?
Speaker 1:with Shub's been bitter since 96. I'm not grave with that shit, bro. Shub's been bitter since 96.
Speaker 3:Snoop is a bitch, daz is a bitch and he's gay. I'm lying and all types of shit.
Speaker 4:What the fuck is that and what does it matter?
Speaker 5:Because you sit in a cage for the rest of your life as a permanent slave. And he's angry and you think that you saying something is going to matter, you just say it, and they'll say it.
Speaker 2:I'm saying everything, bro, you crazy.
Speaker 3:Yo, that's crazy. Yo, I'm a liar, and all that Matter of fact when I go to my cell at night, when everybody's getting ready to go to bed and chilling out, reading books or whatever they doing, I'm thinking about some new shit. I'm going to say tomorrow with the next oh no, you better pray that he lives, he lives.
Speaker 5:He's big Yo, I don't think he's 78.
Speaker 1:28 years. He's coming home and he's like 80 years old, right 78.
Speaker 5:He might not live that long If he make it yeah.
Speaker 4:How much time do y'all think Big U is?
Speaker 1:30 years 30 easily.
Speaker 2:It's over for him. That's over.
Speaker 5:It's over for him. Number one. He probably already had two strikes on him anyway, yeah.
Speaker 4:That's 90 If you come home at 90. Huh and if you get 30, you come home at 90? Huh, and if you get 30, you coming home at 90, what are you going to do?
Speaker 3:I would do the same thing Sugar's doing talking shit online.
Speaker 5:It don't matter.
Speaker 3:It don't matter, bro, that's making my time go by easy.
Speaker 2:I'm having fun, I'm talking shit it ain't going to last forever.
Speaker 3:I don't want to talk about it, it ain't gonna last forever yo, it won't fade out.
Speaker 5:In two years Now you're gonna be sitting there just talking shit to inmates that's coming in. You know Snoop is a bitch During 1994.
Speaker 2:Nobody cares. You better off selling sports pics or something like that, bro.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you how bad it was for Suge After he came home from his bed. He was getting knocked out, shot, that boogeyman thing. He lost that presence. People didn't care anymore. He tried to rush 50-50, and I'm like we don't care about who you are. Your time is up, suge.
Speaker 5:All your blood protection didn't even respect you. They didn't even respect you. They all home, they all looking at you like you fumbled the bag, how you fumbled all of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that was another situation where A you wasn't listen, you was not prepared for that much success. I'm sorry you wasn't ready For that. You ain't, you was not Ready. I think this, I think it boils.
Speaker 5:Back down to. He's a billionaire laughing at you.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. I think it all boils down to you not thinking what you're doing is going to leave your area. That's what I think, yo, I don't think a lot of people are prepared for that next step. I think they, you know, they know how to get there. And then it's question mark, question mark, question mark. After that. You know what I'm saying, because that's where things seem to fall apart. When you get that rapid success, you didn't have time to mentally mature along with the product. You know what I mean. So your appreciation for look how you treated your artists. You hung artists out the window. You let artists get beat up. You let artists drink pee and get pissed on like you. This is your product and this is how you treated your product like. But you gotta understand at what point you feel you have the right to say God, I protected it, I built it and love it. So now it's gone and it's getting the love that it deserves, and you mad, that's crazy.
Speaker 4:But you know what? Real quick, sean, before we go. You got to also think. Phil definitely fumbled the bat, but he comes from the industry. He was a security guard for Bobby Brown, so he saw the works of how an industry and how the business flows. So for him to see that and still do the opposite and break the code. He deserved everything he got. So, ron, you could talk shit for 30 years, but he definitely pumped that back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm not disagreeing with that at all At all. But you know this all goes back to, you know people not being able to shake. You know the past. You know what I'm saying, like you know Football.
Speaker 4:Huh, he was a football player and then you went to security guards and then you look like I don't how how you got to go back to when he was playing football with a German girl. Then you go, he went into being a security guard. Have you seen that? There's no reason for you to say, oh, I'm gonna go left, when I know all my right, everything at the right is where I'm supposed to go.
Speaker 5:Here's the thing Everybody that was on death row is out on the street chilling. You are the only one in jail at 50 something years old, with another 20 left to go check us out check us out.
Speaker 1:yo any artist tired of executive producer be on the videos, I'm a death row.
Speaker 2:Yo. Who got next to Shug and helped him get death row from the Godfather. That was a thing right.
Speaker 3:The lawyer.
Speaker 2:So you know what that kind of reminds me of. Yeah, that kind of reminds me of the Jerry Heller kind of situation.
Speaker 5:When Jerry Heller died, nobody from Ruler's record showed up to his room.
Speaker 2:That's what it reminds me of you get what I'm saying. Somebody who saw the potential in Tomorrow and Hip Hop and then weaseled his way in kind of knew the paperwork, kind of knew what they're doing. You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this, okay, so, first off, suge is 59 years old, so he's 60, basically, right, it's over, it's over. He said it's over what you doing mad for he said what you doing mad for, the penalty is 28 years in prison. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's 28 years in prison right Now. Is that state time or is that fed time? Anybody know?
Speaker 4:Because he ain't going gonna make it out of fed state. It don't matter. You've been sitting with it where they really get popping it, doesn't you? Don't beat that time. That's like a life sentence when you at a certain age yeah, that's a life sentence. A number instead of life sentence. There's a life sentence. A number is still a life sentence. There's a dude I saw recently. It's 2025. What type of if he came out today, what type of havoc is he going to cause? And he's been in jail since 85.
Speaker 5:Nothing, it's over.
Speaker 4:If she comes out, there's no havoc he can cause because it's over. Your health is going to kick in. All that shit you was doing the smoking, the drinking, the running a while and eating crazy All that shit going to hit you at 6.
Speaker 5:There's cameras everywhere. The fans is already going to be on you when you come home. Anyway, what do you think you're doing?
Speaker 1:He could be in a nursing home, bullying people in a nursing home. He's going to be like yo.
Speaker 2:You got to make it there, you got to make it there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was just a waste of life, man, really.
Speaker 5:This is what we say. So all this rent he doing you wasted. We don't want to hear about your glory days at Death Row no More. We know what happened. You ended up in jail. That's what you did.
Speaker 1:You said, deion Sanders owed him money.
Speaker 5:You got your freedom to end up being a slave. You got your freedom to end up being a slave. The same thing goes for Big U and Diddy. Y'all did all of this just to end up being a slave. The same thing goes for Big U and Diddy Yo y'all did all of this just to end up being a slave.
Speaker 4:I think Diddy going to get out though.
Speaker 5:He might, because they dropped mad charges today.
Speaker 3:Oh, what charges did they drop?
Speaker 4:They dropped 15 of them. Oh, he's coming home. You know the Little Raw dude. They dropped basically his whole case, like they dismissed his whole case. How is he going to prove that, unless he did videotape of him?
Speaker 5:If Diddy come home, though, I'll be doing wild dance videos Right in the middle of Central Park. Right in go wild dance videos Right in the middle of Central Park, right in the middle of Central Park, right in the middle of Times Square, where the big boy used to be. Can't nobody hold me down? Oh no, I got to keep on moving.
Speaker 1:All up and down Fifth Avenue.
Speaker 2:yo, Yo, if he beat that, that's going to be monumental. He's going to get bigger.
Speaker 3:More baby oil, more baby oil.
Speaker 5:I'm in no bigger parties now it's a wrap More baby oil.
Speaker 4:Get up. Oh my.
Speaker 1:God, I'm going to keep it real with you guys. Yo, as Ron always said, NYPs turn to an empire mega house. We won't be caught up in none of this stuff because you won't be able to speak to any of us. Listen, you guys are all people. Listen. Before you get to me, you got to talk to him.
Speaker 5:Talk to him. You say you're mushing. Talk to him. Talk to him, I'm taking it back to him.
Speaker 2:Bro say you're mushing.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be like 50 when Wack went for him. I'm going to have security staff. You approach me with nonsense. They are licensed to shoot.
Speaker 2:That's all I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 1:Yo, my son don't play that game, I'm going to start, I need some white friends.
Speaker 5:I got those.
Speaker 3:I don't have. I got a bunch of those.
Speaker 1:They try people, man. Don't think white people are safe too when they go to LA. Their homes get robbed when they're on vacation.
Speaker 3:I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about me and white people that you know. When they go to LA, they ain't in a part of that town where you get robbed. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:You can go to LA and be perfect. The problem with people is what they do. If you're going to LA, mind your business, stop trying to go to the hood and be in the trenches around gang.
Speaker 2:Go to the tourist spots, go to your little lavish place, but they was running down on the tourist spots. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what they were doing.
Speaker 5:Stop announcing that you're going somewhere. We're going to be in LA. Nah, you don't even know where we're going to be at.
Speaker 2:That's an Uber fact.
Speaker 3:Yo, I'm not going to lie. Something almost happened to me, man. I went to Cali some years back and I think you told me that story right. Somebody was trying to line me. I didn't even know what the hell was going on until I touched down. I said hold on. You know what? The conversations is too sketchy. You know what? The door's open, come in. The door's open, baby, the conversations is too sketchy. You know what? The door's open, come in.
Speaker 5:The door's open baby. Come in, Listen, I was minding my business. I almost had to beat somebody up on the Hollywood script. I'm going to just keep it all in a book. New York came out of me so fast, Michael Jackson. Dude said something slick. I was out here chilling like this and dude said something crazy. I said all right, fam, enough is enough. We ain't going to do all this nonsense. I'm not tough, but I ain't stupid.
Speaker 2:Right right, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 1:They won't get you man.
Speaker 2:He thought you was out of pocket. He thought you was out of the way.
Speaker 5:He thought you was going bad-ass because you was out of the way. I seen the gang members out there. I peeped the gang members, I peeped the ice grills, I peeped all of that. But the first thing I did was to diffuse the situation, was say no, I like your jacket, fam. No, I like the shoes.
Speaker 1:My god, fire bro they already knew you from New York.
Speaker 5:Like okay, he's like oh all right, but you give a brother a compliment, they usually like all right, let me just ease back.
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, bit, yeah, yeah yeah, that's mental warfare right there. That's how I went to Cali.
Speaker 5:It's like a beautiful they almost got me boy Went out there to Harlem. We got to chill, man, I almost got.
Speaker 3:I thought I was like you know.
Speaker 5:You know, go out there with that New York energy, that fresh New York energy. Last time I was like you know. You know what I did with that New York energy.
Speaker 1:That fresh New York energy.
Speaker 5:Last time I was in Atlanta, I thought they were trying to line New Yorkers up, who from New York in the building.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, yeah, I never put my hands up. I never put my hands up, I just be like yeah, I be seeing it.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 5:Yankee hats? No, met hats. No, yankee has no mess. No, none of that. Out of hell. No, none of that. Just sitting there like this and looking and I'm like, well, why would, why would the dj say that in here? Who you?
Speaker 1:trying to learn right. I go, you know, I swear to god. This old guy told me he'll fix. Seem like he like fix your hat, young blood. I'm like what do you mean? Like you get killed can't have it tilted.
Speaker 5:You can't have it like this. Yes, it's just funny.
Speaker 1:Don't do that. He's like fix your hat young blood.
Speaker 5:I'm like what do you mean? Can't have it tilted? I was like this yeah, it's just funny.
Speaker 1:He's like don't do that. He's like, brother, don't do that. I'm like why? He's like they're going to think you're a pea stone or something.
Speaker 5:They'll kill you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh shoot.
Speaker 5:My hat was a dangerous hat. You gotta get one of them.
Speaker 2:Applejack hats.
Speaker 4:You gotta get one of them.
Speaker 5:Dressed and flapped down like this, you'll be safe. I was in LA with a peach Nordica hat. I'm not a part of none of y'all.
Speaker 2:That's a fact the dad hat the peach Nordica, dad hat, I'm not thinking I'm going to wear a Quaker hat like Captain Crunch Just put a Quaker hat on Right, he's good.
Speaker 1:He wasn't wearing a Quaker hat.
Speaker 2:You can't even tilt, that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:I wasn't wearing nothing that could even associate me with these dudes, because I get it. I understand the dynamics of where I'm at, I understand the politics of this town and I respect it. So my thing is let me play it cool, get in and out of here where I need to be, and I'm going. I'm not sitting here trying to kick it with your gang members. I don't know y'all, I don't want to know y'all.
Speaker 3:You're not going to lie to give me a podcast, yo. On that note, man, let's get up out of here. Man, thank y'all for coming out this evening. Thank you for the viewers NYP Talk Show every Tuesday. You know what time it is. Tomorrow we're on at 7 o'clock and then you know for the rest of the week. We have content for y'all. See y'all tomorrow 7 o'clock and we are out of here comment like, share, subscribe yo Drake got hands.
Speaker 1:I better stop playing, ha.
Speaker 2:Yo, you supposed to give Clip time to go in on Bacon Boy. You got to give him time, bro. You can't close out like that man. You know you're going to be on fire. He's going to start next Tuesday. You off on that now.
Speaker 3:Yo.
Speaker 2:All right, next Tuesday. You're off on that now Yo.