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The Moorish Path: Walter Bey's Journey to Nationality
Walter Bey takes us on a profound journey from the streets of Houston to the empowering path of Moorish Science, revealing how nationality reclamation offers practical solutions for today's challenges. Having ancestral roots dating back to the Republic of Texas, Walter shares how his dual experiences—from church influences to street hustling—prepared him for a unique perspective on sovereignty and identity.
The conversation illuminates why Walter chose Moorish Science over other conscious movements: "I wasn't looking for a savior to crack the sky. It was like no, we got some remedy, some things that we can do right now to help our people right now." This practical approach has guided his nine-year journey using nationality cards (built to international ISO standards) for everything from domestic flights to navigating traffic stops across state lines without incident.
What stands out most is Walter's balanced methodology. Unlike those who take absolutist positions, he tailors solutions to individual circumstances, recognizing that truck drivers, entrepreneurs, and retirees require different approaches to nationality reclamation. "Proper process is the difference between getting private remedy and making the news," he explains, offering insights into why some face hardship while others thrive on this path.
The episode also explores regional differences in Moorish communities, with Southern practitioners often prioritizing practical remedies over the lineage politics more common in Northern cities with established temple histories. Despite working with Temple 84 in Houston, Walter maintains that helping people navigate immediate challenges takes precedence over grand body politics—a refreshing perspective for those seeking tangible results rather than theoretical debates.
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yo, yo, yo, yo yo. What's going on? Everybody out there is ron brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, uh, co-host mikey, where you at, man? I don't know what happened to you, man, you just fell off the map today. What's going on? We're starring Buckwild. I'm star Mikey Fever's Buckwild.
Speaker 1:Anyway, let's get to it. Nyp Talk Show New Yorker's Perspective. We have Brother Walter Bay on the check-in with us today. This is a pre-recorded. It was recorded on Wednesday, the 26th, 3-26-25. This will be posted on Saturday, saturday at 12, I believe that's the schedule, but we have anyway. We have Brother Walter Bay on the check-in with us. Live from Houston, houston, texas. Correct Islam? That's correct Islam. So I want to take people through. You know this is the first time you've been on the platform and normally you know what I do with people being on the platform for the first time. I get them kind of like going through their background, a little bit Like where are they from? Y, yada, yada. What led you all the way up to more science and stuff like that? So let's talk about it. Um, you were born and raised in Houston, texas right, right, yeah, born and raised.
Speaker 2:So uh, born in Houston. Uh, really, uh, raised more on the south side of Missouri City, right like at the edge of Houston. But yeah, been in this area all my life. My family when tracing back my ancestry, actually on both sides. My family's been in Texas since the Republic of Texas.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's always ancestors from here and there, all over. Right, you're like my father's side, going back. You know five or six generations. Texas, same thing. Uh, my mother's side. You know ancestors been here, you know forever, like we, we texan got you.
Speaker 1:So now what? Houston, texas you know from what I the history as far as racism is concerned and things like that. Did you ever encounter anything like that?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, of course I mean you definitely going to see it here and there, but Not as much as you would expect. I would say it's more of when you get outside of our communities. So you know we have. You know what they call black communities. You know our Moorish people, that is, majority us.
Speaker 2:So growing up where I was born and then where I grew up, it was mostly what you would call black and brown peoples. So I really didn't see a whole whole lot of europeans growing up. You know it was a handful here and there that I went to school with, but I didn't really believe the statistics on how many of them there were in the actual city until going to like major events, like we used to have a theme park out here, astroworld, or like the rodeo, like that was the only time we would see them in big numbers. So you know, and then maybe going downtown or something like that. So you know, and then maybe going downtown or something like that, and then the racism I hear is subtle. Most of the time is not as overt. You know where they come at you. Now, if you get outside the city into some of these smaller towns, you might see more racism because it's still sundown towns in Texas, but as far as like in the big major cities, it's not like that as bad.
Speaker 1:OK, ok, all right. Now I know this is going to sound crazy, but you know, being that I'm from New York and New York, I'm from New York and New York. What's a part of New York culture is not only hip-hop, but it's like the grassroots organizations, like the 5% Nation, right, right, even more science, even though more science doesn't come from New York City. More science started in Newark, then made its way to Chicago through the prophet, but more science is definitely big in New York. Pan-africanism also. Bloods Crips. We got GDs out here as well. What else? We got some Stones. What is it like in Houston? I mean, I'm sure you oh yeah, I know 5% is in Houston. Actually, I know of some 5% is in Houston that are doing it really big out there actually, that are really, really I respect what they're doing out there the gods, the gods, the 5% nation in Houston.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. I don't know those brothers out here. But you know the science has always been out here. It was really in smaller communities, especially growing up here and there. More recently it's starting to get bigger. It's pockets of more here and there, but Houston is so big that we spread out. You know New York, I've been to york once and it is tiny in comparison to houston as far as, like, the land mass. You know, to drive from houston, like from where I'm at on the far south side, to the north side can be an hour, hour and a half depending on traffic oh, wow, okay yeah, but um, I know it's a, it's a big Moorish community, but we real spread out.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of Hebrew Israelites out here too.
Speaker 1:Oh wow Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like they're pretty big out here. We have Black Panthers as well. Um, you familiar with uh the brother cornell x? No, okay, he, he's out here making some some noise. Uh, he'd be on the news and stuff. But uh, I bumped into the brother downtown, uh at the courthouse, like when I was out there doing filings, and other uh brothers of the nation of islam. They got a pretty decent sized community out here too the nation islam.
Speaker 1:Cornell x, you said huh yeah, cornell x.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was um, he's been around for a long time and he's um, oh, no, that's, that's Quinnell. Yeah, I can't tell you how to spell it exactly, but yeah, I think this is, this is.
Speaker 1:I think this is who he is. Yeah, houston, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see him. Ok, and he's Black Panther.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's Black Panthers too, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nation of Islam and Black Panther. So he's. He's big in Houston, so what makes him?
Speaker 2:he's just a great speaker and Well, when things happen out here, like people making the news and things going on like as far as with law enforcement, you know, when things hit the fan, he'll be out there on the front lines.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know you will see him and a few other people out here that are really doing it.
Speaker 1:Got it Now. What was your journey like? So I don't know. So, were you born in the seventies or the eighties?
Speaker 2:The eighties, 86.
Speaker 1:Born in 86. Ok, there we go, there we go. So, born in the 80s, what was it like growing up through the 90s there in Houston? Just to give you some context and maybe a little background about me, I grew up, obviously, in New York, harlem, new York. In the eighties and the nineties, the crack era was, it was, was big, it was, uh, it, it, it, um, it was something that you could never forget because you saw zombies and it was. It really affected us, um, did that happen out there in Houston?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, definitely. It happened when I was born, third Ward, which is one of the major predominantly black communities. It was big out there, moved out to Missouri City, like I say, on the south side, on the edge, which it wasn't as big, but it was still out there. We still saw it. A lot, a lot of gang violence. You know Bloods and Crips mostly, but you know others as well. So I grew up in the culture, but it was a peace brother, mikey. Well, today was good bro, hey, hey, how's it going?
Speaker 3:You also be kicking it online sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like I was saying, you know I grew up it was a lot of that going on. I kind of had the best of both worlds. My mom she had me doing a lot of positive things was in a church you know a lot but at the same time I was in the streets as well. So you know I I've seen, you know, both sides of things going on. So you know she had me in a lot of positive organizations growing up but at the same time I was doing my thing on the side, was doing some hustling and you know, being my own person as well, you know, grew up real mature. So, um, it was a lot of like elders that were like on drugs but they would come to me asking me advice about like how to handle their kids because I was politicking in the streets as well. So I've always been real diplomatic and they would come to me, you know, for advice and stuff like that there. And you know it was hard at times but you know that's just how it is with our people growing up. But even with that, with that, I did pretty good in school but I was more interested in the hustling side of things. But I was always smart and sharp. It's just I wasn't as focused on it as I could have been. But when I went out in the streets I was watching History Channel and Science Channel and things like that Always been into information.
Speaker 2:So when bumping into the information about the moors more science, the movement and all of that there, it was not stuff that was unfamiliar, it's just I didn't. I knew the stories. I didn't I knew the stories. I didn't know that these people that they were calling Moors or Islamic or Arabs were us, didn't know it was our people. So all I had to do was just tie the knots in my head and it was like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:And then when I was maybe 19 or so, I actually bumped into a brother that put me onto some information and it's going to sound crazy, but it was Dr York's information. But I couldn't really receive it from him because he was one of these brothers that like we thought he smoked with and it wasn't like the moorish information or like the religious information, it was the aliens and stuff. Like he was the out there. So I was like, uh, I'm cool, I'm cool. So it wasn't until maybe another five, ten years later that I started bumping back into that same information was like oh okay, I, I got it. I see what you know the brother was into, because I mean, this was like he had it on vhs tape in the time of dvds. You and I was like I don't know about this here. He took me way left field real quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't do the aliens? I don't do the aliens?
Speaker 3:man and the Nazis and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean, you have some legitimacy to it, but you got to be real selective on what it is, because our ancestors, you know from different cultures all over the world, talked about people coming down from specific constellations Orion, the Pallades and what's the other. It's one more.
Speaker 3:You're talking about the Zulu tribe out in.
Speaker 2:Mali. Yeah, that's one of them. That's one of them the Zulus, the Dogons.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Dogon tribe, the only reason why.
Speaker 2:The Dogons talk about Sirius.
Speaker 3:I step away from the alien talk because know, as khalid muhammad says, I'm on earth man. I have no space where I'm speaking of khalid muhammad.
Speaker 2:Khalid muhammad and cornell x was cool because khalid muhammad was from houston. So if y'all familiar with the uh, the story of jasper texas and um, the kkk and stuff dragging the brother out there, yeah, 96 right 96 98 around that time yeah them brothers. They formed up, they got the black panthers, uh, and ran them crackers out of there back then. So so Cornell Lakes was a part of that. I was telling him about the brother Cornell out here. He's, uh, you familiar with him, mike.
Speaker 3:I heard of him. I heard of.
Speaker 2:Cornell Lakes.
Speaker 3:I know he'd be on that news channel sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he'd be on the front lines.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what's up, man. Yeah, definitely, I didn't know Khaled was from Texas. Yeah, that's what's up, man. Yeah, definitely, I didn't know Khaled was from Texas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's originally from Houston.
Speaker 3:Oh wow I had no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he moved away at some point. But yeah, he's from here.
Speaker 3:That's peace. So how big is the Morris community out there in Texas?
Speaker 2:It's kind of hard to say because I don't know everybody. All right, uh, it's kind of hard to say because I don't know everybody. All right, I'll say, in houston, I know it's a pretty decent size but everybody's really really spread out. Like I was telling the brother ron, like houston big, you know, the drive from one side of town to the other is an hour hour and a half, you, you know. I love it out there man, and that's on the freeway.
Speaker 2:You know, that's not like going through the neighborhoods Like it could be more, but it's some brothers out here that have gave the Moorish movement a bad name and kind of took people away because of some of the stuff they was teaching wasn't legit and people found out. So people kind of backed off and are now kind of just now getting back into it. But it's hard to get people together to come like meet up all in one place in Houston because of how big it is you.
Speaker 2:You got to drop so much gas. You know like trying to come to weekly meetings and stuff. It's hard to get people to do that out here.
Speaker 3:Most definitely. Yo, Roddy, I go to Houston. Man, it's beautiful out there. I'm not going to lie man, I was by the sugar, the sugar woodlands, or sugar, it's beautiful man is on the north, Sugar Land is on the south. Yeah, I was out there. It was just like I fell in love with the atmosphere out there, like so much you get a lot for your money out there With some land.
Speaker 3:Yeah, most definitely, man. As far as Texas we know, there's a black community. Are there any conscious areas out there, like a gathering community out there of people that speak on these and more such the relation to Islam and such out there?
Speaker 2:It's kind of all over. But like I was telling the brother Ron earlier where I was born at Third Ward, which is the predominant what you would call black community, it's always been big out there. It was certain places like um the shrine of the black madonna okay, you know, my mom tried to keep me away from there, but when I got a little bit older and conscious I was like, oh nah, they were spitting out there like I should have, you know, really been out there now I have a question.
Speaker 1:In houston I was, I was getting there. Uh, earlier in the podcast new york I was talking about like the different organizations and stuff like that. You spoke about hebrew israelites and then you kind of touched on the gangs a little bit so you said, said Bloods and Crips are out there. When did they get out there?
Speaker 2:I can't say exactly, but to my knowledge when it got big was when I was in elementary. You know it could have been before then too, but I remember waves of it coming so that was like around like nine five, nine six yeah that's when we all got hit with it, bro yeah, yeah, and then so they might be.
Speaker 1:They might be the Peter Roll.
Speaker 3:Sex money murder.
Speaker 1:Sex money murder. They might be sex money murder out there yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what's so crazy about that?
Speaker 1:Hold on real quick. Hold that thought. So I'm thinking that the lineage from Houston could come from New York.
Speaker 2:Well, Houston, it came more from Cali through the jails on the trip side. I know, you know it's more like Hoover's out here, ah, OK.
Speaker 3:I got you.
Speaker 2:It's big with that side out here on the blood side I'm not as familiar with. I know they got like some bounty hunters and all of them.
Speaker 1:But oh bounty bounty hunters, all of them. But oh, bounty, bounty hunters that sound like la. That's how. That's california yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I I know, you know, like some of the houston rappers out here, like on the crib side, like they got some connections to the the guys out in la too, okay, of course, that's a good one. I haven't been, you know, into that for so long that I can't really, you know, tell you too much on that politics as of recent.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, because I was just so. I know people from Houston say, oh that dude, he don't know what he's talking about. He's talking about, he came from the East Coast. I'm just trying to figure it out, y'all, that's it.
Speaker 3:That's all I'm trying to do what you said about 95-96, right, and not to go off topic. It's crazy because that's what happened to New York at the time and I remember when in New York they had the Bloods were doing initiation, where people were getting cut in their face. I remember when the media they put on Channel 11, I remember this that movie Colors, it was like. So it's like they helped perpetuate it even more. It's like how 80s had the crack movement in 86. Now in 596, it's like how 80s had the crack moving 86. Now 596 is when the gang's infested new york and they had a nerve to play that movie colors. I remember they was putting all that movie, that movie colors and that album came out at the same time ron down movie writers and all that. So they all hit the east. It's just crazy, man, how this thing spread like wildfire. It's just like yeah for sure, yeah so now what?
Speaker 1:what other gangs are out there? What about gds? Gds out there, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, we got gds we also got a lot of, uh, mexican gangs out. Here too, like houston and texas in general, we got a lot of mexicans. We don't have as many like dominicans, like y'all have out there. We got Mexicans because we much closer to the border. So that's what we see.
Speaker 1:But actually Houston itself is the second most diverse city with immigrants in the country, right after New York City okay, because I was about to say we have Mexicans, we got Ecuadorians, we got Puerto Ricans, we got it all, all of all of that, yeah, we got like a lot of africans.
Speaker 2:We have like hindustan indians um, we got everybody out here. We got like asians. Like on the the southwest side town there's signs like traffic signs not traffic yeah, like street signs that are in. I want to say like Korean. Oh wow, yeah, like you got to look for the English sign. Oh wow, yeah, they got some power out here, like for real.
Speaker 1:Now, as far as uh, music out there with them, after this question we're gonna go into more science. But um, as far as music is is concerned, isn't that that's where jay prince and those guys are from?
Speaker 2:right, houston, right right, yeah, yeah right slim thug ghetto boys right okay a lot of big names that's ugk ugk is a little bit more out of port arthur, but they blew up in houston okay you know, coming under, coming under Rap-A-Lot and that wave and era, it's a lot of big names out here. And then Texas is so big.
Speaker 3:It is man.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of local artists that only do stuff between Houston, louisiana, and then going to Dallas and those and those areas san antonio, austin and just stay in that loop and make millions of dollars without having to really go nationwide and they're really getting more and more influence, like getting onto the streaming era, but before then, you know, just in that small little circle, you know making lots of money.
Speaker 3:Hip-hop chitlin' circuit, that's what you call that. Get that money.
Speaker 1:Pretty much, that's the line right there. Yeah, houston, louisiana. How close is Dallas from Houston?
Speaker 2:About four, four and a half hours, depending on how fast you're going. Like I can make it in four hours, but that's like gunning it.
Speaker 1:Damn Okay.
Speaker 3:It's huge out there, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:People think stuff is closer. They don't realize how big Texas really is.
Speaker 1:Got you Now to take it into more science. Science, so you got into more science through zeor books.
Speaker 2:No, no, that was some of my first exposure to the information, but that's not really what got me into it. So it's kind of hard to say, but I know it was some stuff online. Probably the very first thing that I remember that was Moore's.
Speaker 1:It was this guy in the park with a snake, getting approached by the police.
Speaker 2:Oh, I saw that video. Yeah, you remember that old video. That was one of the first ones Started doing a little bit more research, bumping into Taj RV Bay, a lot of the great seal elders I know a lot of them now and from there getting into the temple information the prophet and all of that there so this is a.
Speaker 1:This piece of the podcast is extremely important for me in my mind as far as the moorish paradigm, because there's a lot of talk about you know who are the, who were the is? Was it Millie ill? Was it see Kirtman Bay? And this is this is. You come from a whole other lineage, right, so you come through the great seals, right.
Speaker 2:That was one of my first experiences in the movement um, actually connecting with people. What was with the gray seal? Because I did a lot of learning and studying before I was with the gray seal. So when I first initially started looking like for a temple, when I was really really into the information, it wasn't a temple out here and I wasn't wholly into just Moorish information. So I was studying the Kemetic information, the Hebrews, the, this, the that watched a lot of Sinetta and the stuff they had going on too. I wasn't just totally all in on the Moors initially, but it was something about the Moors when it came to law that really drew me in, because I it was not looking for, you know, a savior to come crack the sky. It was like no, we got some remedy, some things that we can do right now to help our people right now, steve, and that's what I really respected about the Moors.
Speaker 1:Did you hear what he just said? He's not looking for nobody in the sky, he wants to save himself, and this is what's this. This is why I say this is extremely important, because this is what people are looking for. They're looking for help now, not tomorrow. Now, so they get into, whether it be the gray seals, whether it be RV Bay publications, and they're looking for remedies for themselves right this moment. And I think that even if they don't come from the temple, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it's an add-on. It's an add-on. It's an add-on and it should be respected right now.
Speaker 3:I have one question, ron, hold on a second. I never heard the great seal. Can you educate me briefly on that? Because I heard of rv bay and that old drama ron was saying with emily ill and kirkman bay, but who are? Who are the great seal?
Speaker 1:now I don't know a whole lot about the great seal because that wasn't the lineage I came through. I know a little I. The only thing I know about the great seal is something about queens. That's it. I don't know like queens new york, I don't know if it came from queens new york, or do you know, brother walter bay?
Speaker 2:uh. No, I'm not exactly sure, uh, where the great seal started, but I know it was somewhere up north or the east coast yeah yeah, you know, but it it was a lot more prominent in the 90s and the early 2000s gotcha they're kind of like the temple.
Speaker 2:It was different factions of the great seal people operating under that same name when I started rocking with the great seal, and the faction that I was rocking with it is not really around anymore. To my knowledge they had stopped operations. So I still deal with some of the elders but I can't really give you all of you know that that back information. Um, you know who can uh give y'all some better information on that?
Speaker 3:brother jelani jelani, I got you, yeah, yeah, I information on that brother Jelani.
Speaker 2:Jelani, I got you, yeah, yeah, I know that brother pretty well.
Speaker 1:Yo, jelani man. Sorry, I've been trying to. We've been having postponed Jelani's interviews like three, two weeks. Sorry, jelani man, my bad brother.
Speaker 2:I need to call that brother. I got so much going on, he probably like man. Bad brother. I got so much going on, he probably like man. Why, brother walter, don't f with me?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know, you know, yeah, brother jelani, jelani is a good brother. Um, sorry about that, jelani man, we're gonna hit you up. We're gonna hit you up, brother, um, but jelani he has. He has the information on the gray seals. That's for sure, jelani is. We gotta keep him around, for sure. Matter of fact, let me hit him up right now. Yo. So back to Morris Science. So you got into more science, and what was the first thing that intrigued you, like for me? This is how I got into more science. Phil Valentine has a video out there that was on a DVD. I forgot the name of it. It was like one of the one of the hottest videos, one of the UCC joint UCC right.
Speaker 3:That's the name of it.
Speaker 1:I was watching that one too, yeah, so, and then I'm like damn. And I, when I watched, after watching that video, he said at the end you got to go to the, you got to go to the temple. And so before I went to the temple, I was just you know, right to travel and you know all that stuff, you know what I mean? Not, you know, you don't have to pay taxes. And I went through all of that. And then I went to the temple and the temple said brother, pay your taxes, you know. And then I went down a rabbit hole with the temple. But so what was the thing that sparked you? And what rabbit hole did you go down? Did you go down right to travel? Did you go down? You know, acceptance for value, that's the name of it. I forgot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's one of them. I went down all the rabbit holes but to say what really started it all off, dr Leanback?
Speaker 2:Leanback was out there, the debate he did with Syrah's Suiting City Because, like I said, I was watching Synetta and all of them back in the day, so I was into all of the groups, every single little movement, but that was probably one of the most powerful ones and one of the first ones. I remember that one. The debate that Sabir Bey had, like like all the Moors, just seemed to be real sharp on stuff that was relevant now. You know, like the Egyptian brothers, they was talking about stuff you know, thousands of years ago. You know the Hebrews looking for people to crack the sky. You know the Hebrews looking for people to crack the sky. It was this and that. You know about these other ones.
Speaker 2:But as far as like stuff that was relevant to right now and then I was already deep in the history. So, like I was saying earlier, I knew a lot of that. It was us. So when I made that connection and in the way the Moors put it, it's like everybody was us and then we'll be able to break that down like how Dr Alim does so eloquently and you know a lot of Moors do. But you know, being able to make those connections and, like you know, this all ties back to me. You know these people that they were calling Muslims and Arabs and you know all these other different names. You know these were our people. Oh, ok, like that's what really hit home for me. Like I was always big in the history, watched the History Channel probably every day when I was a kid growing up. My sister said I should have been a history professor probably every day when I was a kid growing up.
Speaker 1:My sister said I should have been a history professor. So now being that you went down all the rabbit holes, history things like that, when did you land and what's your specialty?
Speaker 2:Oh, so it's hard to say exactly what my specialty is because I would say I'm multidisciplined. So I deal a lot of nationality no-transcript. You know, that's something that a lot of people are into looking into like that. In particular, I found, okay, this is, there is some legitimacy in it, but you have to be careful with what's out there and there's a proper process for doing anything.
Speaker 2:One thing I say on my youtube channel a lot proper process is the difference between getting private remedy and making a news and like when people going fighting certain things like traffic court and all of that I got to I came to the realization that that's not even a proper venue. That's a issue for actually higher level courts. So people are coming at it the wrong way a lot of times and it's different strategies that work a lot better than others. And you don't go just like talking to these people crazy and telling them you sovereign and you know I don't have to do this and this and that you know, understand what's going on. Plead the fifth and don't try and litigate on the side of the road, because you're just gonna get your windows broke, your ass beat and you still get ticket I always say that you know you, you can beat the ticket, you know, and even if you do get arrested, you can still beat the case afterward.
Speaker 2:But I've never been arrested and the people I deal with, you know, I know haven't been arrested because generally traffic issues are not an arrestable offense. So if you've done something to get arrested for what would be a traffic ticket, you did something wrong Gotcha, you know or you was dealing with somebody that was really, really racist, one of the they don't say you get arrested, they say you got kidnapped.
Speaker 2:Hey, call it what you want I, I understand what they mean and I'm not going into all the semantics and all of that right now because, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean you, we, prisoners of war.
Speaker 3:Exactly Right, I see, with the Moorish movement. Right, you know the temple. They say some temples deal with the divine aspect of it, the spiritual side, and they say some do deal with the civics.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's a conflict amongst two ideals. Well, I'm glad you said that, because I was going to say this. Ideals Well, I'm glad you said that because I was. I was going to say this, mike. I was going to say how do you feel that? Um, some from the temple may say what you'd study and teach is not more as science?
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people like to place the temple as a box of only what I like to call the canon of Noble Drew Ali's teachings only, and I can understand that and respect that. What I would say is my missionary work is not all in the temple. I'm out in the field dealing with the people too. So you know I know Noble Drew Ali's works and love it. I'm one of the ones that teaches law but can relate it to what Noble Drew Ali said as well in a lot of his stuff can relate it to what noble drew ali said as well, and a lot of his stuff.
Speaker 1:But what about those who say noble drew ali didn't teach us to? In fact, noble drew ali said to uh, do not flash across europeans, it causes confusion. And he says that in in his writings. So, excuse me, writings. So excuse me, pardon me. So what do you say to that? You know like, uh, because, um, showing you know the europeans, you know you're a sovereign citizen or whatever, whatever word, words you use, it's still flashing your cards to europeans, as the prophet said not to do so. I mean, how would you see that?
Speaker 2:well it is it saying don't ever use your nationality card if you have, just keep it in your pocket and never pull it out, or only do it in private at the temple, or? I mean, I can understand that. You know, flashing your cards could also be in a sense of, uh, like playing cards, you know, showing your hand, don't flash your cards, don't show your hand necessarily, so it can be taken in different ways. People will say different things about it and I I get where they're coming from, but I use my nationality card, you know, and don't have any problems with it for the most part he has, bro.
Speaker 3:I see it on on his own page and how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 2:uh with the nationality card yeah uh, eight, maybe nine years now. I mean, I've used mine to fly from houston to vegas and back really yeah, yeah, there's a video.
Speaker 3:My man was an airport. He did a whole thing with tsa. He was like, yeah, like he did a whole process. I'm like, oh, he's really, he's real about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, see, so the nationality cards that I use are up to the international ISO standard, which is the same standard that they make all nationality or passport cards to, so it's in line with those same public standards.
Speaker 1:And some people may have a problem with that, but I'm using a remedy that works. It's other people that have used them as well. Some of this stuff is you know, if people follow this and they get put in a jam, then who's they responsible? And you know, I would say who's more responsible would be their teachers, because they gave them the information. So that's just my issue. I mean, you've been doing this for nine years and you've never been arrested for this or nothing.
Speaker 2:Huh, no, no, not for using a nationality card. No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3:Texas is different, Different jurisdiction. I think New York they were body slam.
Speaker 2:I traveled outside of Texas and used it too. I've been stopped in Tennessee and I was coming into Memphis, like outside of I was coming out of Nashville coming into Memphis, got stopped, gunning it like 80, 85. You know, I told him, you know this is my ID. You know I don't have a driver's license. My wife was in the passenger seat, you know. So she can attest to this story. She actually showed her driver's license but they, you know, wasn't worried about it.
Speaker 2:They tried to say well, you know you can't do this. And blah, blah, blah and we're going to have to arrest you and fingerprint you to find out who you really are. You know you can't do this and blah, blah, blah and we're going to have to arrest you and fingerprint you to find out who you really are. You know, took it ready, came back and was like, look, slow down. We don't have no speeds that high in our state. We know y'all got like 80 in Texas but you can't do that here. You know it's slower out here. And I had to point out to my wife, you know, at the end of everything, that look, if what I was doing was truly illegal, they would have told you who showed your driver's license, you get in the driver's seat and you drive off. We can't let him take off in this car.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's crazy. That's why I'm like I'm not going to lie. When I seen him on Instagram, was it Instagram when he was on in the airport at TSA? I'm like they let him through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was on my YouTube channel but they took the video down.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying, bro. Some people found, or is it because it's different states?
Speaker 2:I don't know man. I know people that have been through most states with their nationality card. Like I, don't show a lot of other people's stories and successes what some people call it testimonies or whatever when they when they work with me because I believe in privacy. So somebody else wants to put the information out there or tells me to, I might do it, but for the most part I don't put people's private information out there. You don't see me showing receipts from a lot of people because of that.
Speaker 3:I have a question to ask, as Ron mentioned earlier, repercussions Say, for instance, somebody does it, they do as success as you've been having right. Are there any backlashes for that down the line for all, like you know?
Speaker 2:I haven't ran into anything like that. But the thing is I help people out with court cases all the time. Got you, you know, people that have really more so got jammed up for messing with some of these other teachers and they come to me like, hey, I did this, did that and it didn't work. Or you know, I have this case now. You know, can you help? Because they either can't reach this person, this person, and block them, or they just don't trust them no more this person and block them, or they just don't trust them no more. So I clean up a lot of people's mess, just to be honest, and I would say I'm one of the few out here that's really, really getting it in. I know a few other mores that are really sharp, that are in that same or in this same position. You know, once you really are competent in law and can really demonstrate for real, for real, it's real high demand.
Speaker 3:What's so dope is that, as you mentioned, you guys demonstrate when law, have a knowledge of law and you know you're not part of the Bar Association, as they call you a lawyer. Why can't brothers like you, who have the knowledge, come together with a temple? Because with that you guys could move mountains. If it's like that, spiritual and those knowing civic, the movement can go further.
Speaker 2:I work with a temple. I work with the brother Antoine Bay, Grand Sheik Antoine Bay.
Speaker 3:I think we had him on the show before right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you had him on the show. That brother teaches a lot.
Speaker 1:That's dope man, what temple is he out?
Speaker 2:of. He's out of houston temple 84.
Speaker 1:I'm part of that temple now temple temple, 84 out of houston. What lineage is that fall under?
Speaker 2:I'm not totally sure. I know that brother has been with one grand body and then at one point he was independent Temple. He was saying he may have reconnected with somebody else. Now I'm not sure. I don't really get into the which grand body politics. To be honest, that's a whole lot and for what I'm doing it's not as relevant to helping people on the front lines. They got issues.
Speaker 2:I've done some research into that stuff, know some things and have some of my own personal opinions and reservations about certain ones. But I don't really voice that too much because, being from the South, we didn't have one of the original temples. Like when I started looking into the temple there wasn't even one. It wasn't until a few years later that we actually got one out here, that we actually got one out here. So it's hard for me to really get into that fight and that argument about who is who and what's what. When it comes to those, you know, if you're somebody that's like y'all brothers in New York, new Jersey, chicago, y'all got elders that been in the temple you know were born in the temple. I can't say that about people out here you know were born in the temple. I can't say that about people out here, you know. So we see it from a different perspective in the south in general, not just texas like we hungry for remedy from what I've seen you know right, it's not about who's who and all that right.
Speaker 2:Right, that's a different type of politics, like we are into the prophet, into the temple, but at the same time some of that stuff comes off real standoffish to us out here. So it's not that we have a problem with the temple, but that drives some people away. And my first experience with the temple, but that drives some people away, and my first experience with the temple when they opened, the one I was talking about, is not with the brother Antoine Bay, it's another temple that's out here. The energy was, in a sense, where my wife didn't like it. So I didn't go back to that temple for a few years and they really they didn't know who I was at first.
Speaker 2:When I went in there and joined that temple and by the time I took my family, you know, and they were like I don't know about this, I didn't come back. By the time I did come back, the Grand Chic and the assistant Grand Chic, they knew who I was by then and they had a problem with me because, you know, you could say they felt threatened by some of my teachings because they were basically taking shots at me the whole time. Now, the actual membership of the temple, they know who I am, they love me and I would rock with them. But I couldn't be a part of that temple and the brother who pretty much begged me to take him to the temple when we got out of there he was like man, why did you bring me here? Oh, wow, and I was like look man, I told you coming in, you know, like it's not what you're going to be expecting. Like they're not going to be teaching what I'm teaching.
Speaker 1:Were those people older.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like, like, the grand chic, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, it was people in there. Uh, there was members.
Speaker 1:That's our age too right but the, the temple, the. The officials in the temple were older people yeah, but I mean they from here right, okay, wow it's just being a part of the grand body that they're with.
Speaker 2:They kind of all fall under the same guidelines and, you know, teach the same way in that same manner.
Speaker 1:Right, Right. So now is it can you? I don't know if you can, I don't know if you can do this, but can you show us like what you like, the instruments you use?
Speaker 2:For what purpose? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Like, like your license or something like that. So like an example of like, as you were talking about, is it's a standard that you use.
Speaker 2:That's in line with my nationality card. Yeah, I can show it to you. The only reason I wouldn't put it up on screen now I know this is going to be on YouTube they might flag and take down the video because of it. I had a lot of videos on nationality card with me showing it, and they took it down. They took most of my videos dealing with nationality cards down where I was actually showing them. The only ones that are still up pretty much are ones where I'm talking about it but not really showing it. Got you. I don't mind you seeing it at all. You know that's not a problem, but I don't want the video being taken down okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:So they're taking a video down because of the nationality cards yeah, like they'll flag it and say cyber bullying or harassment is generally what they say and I'm like how am I cyber bullying or harassing myself by showing my own personal id?
Speaker 3:I think. I think I think it's due to um. There used to be people online selling them, constantly bombarding people. My brother used to be selling them online for like $50 at one point, and you know.
Speaker 2:I mean they take down a lot of stuff. I have to be careful about what I say on certain topics because I know they flag certain stuff, like the last show that I was on on TikTok Tik TOK. It was a brother in the UK and he asked me certain questions about mores and why we wouldn't more connected and this and that, and I got to talking about the FBI infiltration and certain things. That was a little more sensitive because they kept probing and then his live got a strike online while we were on live yeah, tiktok is very sensitive man yeah, I really don't like that platform, even though I get a lot of views on there on certain videos but,
Speaker 2:yeah, they do a lot of censorship over there. Like one of my most recent videos like it was a real short video I did in the courthouse. They flagged it and said like I was doing some substance or alcohol or something like that there. And I challenged it in one. But they were I'm like, look, I would have been in jail if I was doing tobacco, alcohol, you know some other substance. And they was like well, we'll allow it for people that don't mind mild substance use. And I'm like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 3:We need our own platform, man.
Speaker 2:We really do, because I've had my, my Patreon. Probably about three years ago it was taken down for some of my private teachings Like this ain't even stuff like you could just pull up, but some of the more in-depth teachings on law, about some of the subjects like right to travel, the discharge and things of that sort, where I would really go into the actual processes like step by step yeah they didn't give me any warning, they just took it down, was like hey, we did our final review, there's nothing you can do about it, you know, it's just you're gone.
Speaker 2:And I was, you know, hot because I I was doing pretty good on the platform at the time and then it was right after the month had started, so the people who had paid for the month also lost their access as well. So it was a double whammy, damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy. So now my thing, when I went down the rabbit hole with the right to travel and all those things, before going into the temple, well, when I got into the temple I was still kind of dabbling and, um, you know, the grand sheik at that time I was, you know, saying hey brother, man, you just gotta let that stuff go and just focus on the prophet and his teachings, and I still wasn't really listening. But what made me start really paying attention and changing my way was I saw a more who went down that path and and they're still in that path and, uh, they're not living the way I would have liked to live at that person's age. That person is probably 20 years older than me right now well, maybe 15, maybe 15 years older than me, right now maybe 15, maybe 15 years older than me.
Speaker 1:Right now that person is not living the way I would like to live. This person is struggling, obviously, and things like that. So I then I said, okay, this if I go in, and then not only him, but someone else that I know and a few other people, whatever, and it just seems to me that when you choose that path, you're living a life of hardship. So I don't know how you're living. You know, as far as that's concerned, did it make your life harder? Would you have changed anything? Would you turn back the hands of time and maybe go in a different, maybe a different direction?
Speaker 2:No, no, nothing has been harder for me. I live the direction and the path I'm on. But you do have to study and be competent in what you're doing before you really jump out there. And that's where a lot of people go wrong. And it's not an absolute either. So give you an example there are some people that tell you you have to do it. But if that's how you operate in commerce, like you're a truck driver, you're an uber driver or things of that sort, you need a license for that. That's what the license is for. So for those type of people, I suggest them to correct their license, because you can do that. You know you can get your nationality and status put on your driver's license, you know. So it's ways of going about it.
Speaker 2:So I don't teach things in a cookie cutter, absolute way and process. You know everybody's living in different levels. You know there are people who just graduated, you know, in college, versus people who work in nine to fives versus people who own businesses versus people that's retired. All of these people at these different levels are going to operate differently. So it's no cookie cutter process for these exact people.
Speaker 2:So when you say, you know you're trying to correct your status. So now you have to do step one, two, three, four, five, six. These same steps might not work for every person, so with me working with so many people on different levels, I've got to the conclusion that you have to be able to adjust to where people are, meet them on the level and be able to help them for what it is they need help with and what they're trying to accomplish. Everybody don't want a right to travel, everybody don't want to discharge, but you know some people do, some people want to pay taxes, some people don't, or some people don't care about that, you know. So wherever people are, you know. Whatever they need help with, I'm just here to point them in the right direction. I don't tell someone. You absolutely must do this.
Speaker 1:OK, now is most of the way you discharge dead or whatever you do, is it solely is the use of Moorish science and the prophet language in the documentation.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily with discharge and dead. In a sense it does tie back to the prophet and what he did when he was alive and the things he did to cause the system to crash. But it's more of just commercial law and to do private banking.
Speaker 2:So and learning to do private banking. So it's to call it more science exclusively is not necessarily exclusive to Moors, but I don't teach it in a way where what I do would work for Europeans, so sometimes they'll come to I do would work for Europeans, you know, so sometimes they'll come to me and ask me for help.
Speaker 3:I don't have the remedy for them because the remedy for what I teach starts with nationality. I have a question, sure With, with today's climate, with America, at this stage of Trump's era where he's focused on securing a country and being patriotic and putting America first immigration. If somebody proclaimed a nationality changing to Moorish American, would that put them outside of the US no, out of the jurisdiction? Would that affect their citizenship in the country?
Speaker 2:It doesn't. Will that affect their citizenship country? It doesn't. So you, you kind of changed up the wording a little bit there. So our status as Moors, in their language, would be more of we're a non-citizen national, by the way it is on the books. So you couldn't deport us anywhere because we're from here. All right, that's more of how that works. So that is a different status than just a per se, to put it like that. But even the way it is on the books is still weird. There's intricacies to it, you know, and there are mores that will teach it different as well, you know. There's some mores that say we are only Moroccan, which I disagree with. Got you, you know. But I do what works here for us, you know.
Speaker 1:So Now do you still use the Moroccan flag? Yeah, that's our flag.
Speaker 2:You know the prophet resurrected that. Do you still use the Moroccan flag? Yeah, that's our flag. You know the prophet resurrected that for us. You know, I'm not in my office. I'm in my wife's office upstairs, but I generally would have it behind me if I was in my office.
Speaker 1:This is it, got you. Got you On that note, man. Thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. We got to do a part two. Most definitely. This was just the opening. We, we just want to get to know you, get the audience to know you, and, uh, get a little bit of your history and, uh, you know how you got into more science. We, we have to do a part two and we'll build on that at some point. But definitely a part two has to come up and maybe we can get your brother, anton Anton, that's his name, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Antoine Bay.
Speaker 1:Antoine Bay. We got to get Antoine Bay back up here. On that note, like I said, thank you for coming out, Walter Bay. I really appreciate you.
Speaker 3:Definitely Salute Mikey Fever. Salute. Definitely Brother, solid man.
Speaker 1:Indeed Great interview. Thanks for coming out, peace.