Majik Man Heru - Ansaaru Allah Community - Nuwaubian

What happens when a spiritual seeker encounters teachings that challenge mainstream religious thought? Magic Man Haru takes us on his remarkable journey through the controversial Ansura Allah community, offering a rare firsthand account from someone who walked alongside its enigmatic founder, Dr. Malachi Z. York.Born into a family that embraced religious diversity, Haru's story begins with early exposure to various spiritual traditions. "My father took me from synagogue to church, to mosque," he explains, laying the groundwork for a lifetime of comparative religious study. This foundation made him uniquely receptive to York's teachings when he first encountered them at just nine years old through publications his cousin brought home.The conversation reveals fascinating glimpses into life within the Nuwapian movement. Haru describes witnessing unexplainable phenomena at the Tama-Re land in Georgia during a communal gathering to watch a Mike Tyson fight in 1997. "Thousands of us were there when we saw objects moving with comet-like speed across the night sky," he recalls, affirming the extraterrestrial components of York's doctrine that many critics dismiss.Addressing the controversy surrounding Dr. York's case and the 2002 FBI raid that dismantled the community, Haru offers a perspective rarely heard in mainstream accounts. Having spent personal time with York, he speaks to the character of the man behind the teachings, challenging listeners to distinguish between accusations and the experiences of those who knew him directly.Beyond the controversies, Haru highlights the practical wisdom embedded in the Nuwapian philosophy – from business acumen to self-reliance. His testimony presents a nuanced view of a movement often reduced to sensationalist headlines, urging us to look deeper at the complex legacy of spiritual communities that operate out

Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
Welcome to the Fit, Healthy and Happy Podcast hosted by Josh and Kyle from Colossus...

Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify

Chapters

• 24:24 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 25:10 (Cont.) Majik Man Heru - Ansaaru Allah Community - Nuwaubian

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

peace world. How you doing? It's your brother, mikey fever. Nyp talk shows monday nights at 7 pm and 8 pm. Don't forget to comment, like, subscribe, follow us on social media, Super Chats and peace to the family. Tonight we got a special guest, Magic man Haru. He will be talking about the Ansura Alaa community, also known as the Nuwapians. Peace Magic, Peace Magic man. How you doing, brother?

Speaker 2: 0:42

Hey, doing excellent guy. Thank you so much, and, man, this has been a long time coming, man. So, first of all, thank you so much for the divine blessing, as well as the ancestors, for making us together okay.

Speaker 1: 0:55

That's peace. That's peace man. So tell us, magic man, where you, from brother, start with your journey, man.

Speaker 2: 1:00

Wow. First of all, being third generation on this side, by way of my grandfather OK, the first one to make it through this soil in 1909. Born and raised in the shores of America OK, that's on my father's side, On my father's. On my mother's side, I'm a copy of Black Hawk and Cherokee mixed and Cherokee mixed Okay, so I'm what most people classify as a so-called African American, which is, of course, is a misnomer pertaining to us as a people. Okay, I was raised in North Carolina as well as New York. When school would be out, they would ship me to New York, so 75% of my life had been living in New York. Shout out to Brooklyn Black Bush Avenue.

Speaker 1: 1:47

Brooklyn Black Bush Building.

Speaker 2: 1:51

Yeah, east 22nd Street, bethany, newkirk, black Bush, south.

Speaker 1: 1:55

Yeah, I'm from out there, but that's what's up.

Speaker 2: 2:00

Yeah, man, yeah yeah, but you know it's great, man, to see us finally finally starting to come together as a people, because we spent too much time wasting on stuff that's not even really feasible in this day and time, as you're going to hear, and you and the rest of the attendance in the audience as we continue to do this bill tonight. Right, we've got to stop wasting precious time that we can't get back.

Speaker 1: 2:27

Of course I'm all about that. I'm all about the progression of our people. You know what I'm saying Accountability, learn from our past errors and moving forward, you know? So that's what's up. So you got your third generation of Cherokee and Black. You said Black Hawk.

Speaker 2: 2:43

Well, third generation on my father's side, who just passed two years ago, okay, but Black Hawk and Cherokee on my mother's side.

Speaker 1: 2:53

All right, so that's peaceful. You're from North Carolina and Brooklyn, yeah, and as far as your upbringing exposure to hip hop, you went through all that culture, all that cypher.

Speaker 2: 3:01

Oh, man, bro, Before the so-called golden era, classified as 1988, and y'all correct me if not, of course you know we was doing that long before that, but for some reason to say 1988 is when we came to that apex, or the golden era you know with.

Speaker 2: 3:20

You know gods such as rakim allah, uh chariots, one lakim shabazz, some of my guys, such as Rakim Alar Karius, one Nakim Shabazz. Some of my favorites, such as Poor Righteous Teachers. You know the list Brand new so far. You get what I'm saying. But, matter of fact, man, you know I actually started and actually wrote my first you know rhyme back in 1985 to be exact.

Speaker 2: 3:43

So you know, I was up, man, I was up for some deals myself, man, but once I realized, you know how shady the producers and stuff was, man, crazy, back then they was trying to offer us a measly one penny for every record that was sold, which is crazy, right. So I'm glad we didn't take that deal. I'm glad we didn't take that deal, man, and some of you people who's out here putting out music today? It wasn't like it was yesterday with the digital. You get what I'm saying. Well, we in there, it makes it easier, man, for people to come on, man, and do what you got, man, but we need to switch it back to more positive and some of this negative stuff that's been allowed to go over the airwaves.

Speaker 1: 4:21

I got you so in your upbringing were you like? Before we get deep into, I'm just trying to build up, before we get into that, into your journey into Ansar Allah community. Was your family religious? Were you like? You grew up in a religious household.

Speaker 2: 4:37

Yeah, I did. But I was fortunate they had a father that took me from synagogue to church, to mosque. So I was already pretty much studying different types of religions part of my upbringing, long before I came in contact with the teachings known as the Ancil Rural Law community, long before that. So it was a part of my journey, right. But even back then, you know, we had a sense, a strong sense of self worth, unlike other people, even though we would go, and my daddy and my you know my father shout out to them, my mom, they always wanted me to be rooted in what everybody else was teaching throughout their community. So it was necessary for me to be taken from synagogue to church, to mosque. Unfortunately us as a people, there's many different ways of life. People can study, but for some reason, when it comes to our people, those are mainly the main three that they tend to cling on to.

Speaker 1: 5:35

Mostly mainstream because that's what you've been conditioned and doctored to follow. Psychologically it breaks the people down, the images and such to make you feel like you're less than there's. Other spiritual practices, african traditional practices that people tend to frown upon, like the Ifa, voodoo, 21 Division, palo Mayombe, santeria and all that. The average person who doesn't have knowledge of that will frown upon that, looking at it as some kind of pagan-like or demonic.

Speaker 2: 6:08

You know God, you know what's crazy. I'm going to show you how much time we wasted. I just left one of my many just overbrooks, one of my many jobs, right, and I hear a young sister I'm not going to call her out, but I just just in mind thinking, right, and we a young sister, I'm not going to call her out, but just in mind thinking and we're on an aircraft, because one sister of Haitian descent and another sister is from another part of one of the many different tribes in the misnomer called Africa. She looks at the Haitian sister and she says don't y'all people do that black magic. And I'm listening, right, well, you know, she was trying to explain voodoo Some people call it voodoo and all kind of things. Right, and I'm listening.

Speaker 2: 6:56

I say here we are in so-called 2025. And we still is not we, and we still not we, mostly y'all attentive listeners, right, you still teaching the babies that nonsense where everything black and dark is bad but the opposite is black is white, right, so they still with all of this so-called knowledge, all of this so-called information age? Right, you still got the youth, and I'm saying late teens, early 20s, with that type of mindset. We got some serious work to do. Oh yeah, I don't bring. I don't blame the babies almighty, I blame the parents of these babies and the grandparents of these babies that's the power of indoctrination.

Speaker 1: 7:40

They don't in. The correct term for that sister who was asking a sister of haian descent, is voodoon, or voodoon, because I'm Haitian myself. So we, like you know, of course, even within our own community, people will frown upon voodoo and stuff because it's not part of the three main religious systems, you know. But you know again, they vilify it because that's what helped us get our revolution. And also, let's not forget unity and other forces, because without unity nothing can be done. You can't have all the knowledge of spirituality whatsoever, but without peace within yourself and unity amongst your brothers and sisters, nothing will work. Exactly All the invocations you want, it would not work. So you got to be yourself.

Speaker 2: 8:26

And what's the argument? Snapping their face, and you know, for those who worship in those big three, they're spellcasters all throughout the Torah, the Old Testament, new Testament, including the Quran, but they want to act like that's not in there. That's why one of the things as you're going to see, or faithfully hear, is love like a hate, as we call them the spiritual master, because each one of them us, I know, I am, I'm my own master. I'm not going to have another master by any other name above me. That's me and again, that's what separates a real student from a mere follower. Right, of course, you know. But so love like I hate him. He did a very good job for most of us who he came to reach, and he wasn't, his message wasn't for everybody. That's why a lot of people went on and, you know, did all kinds of things like that. But anyway, as we go further along, you know we'll get back to that.

Speaker 2: 9:25

But anyway, as we go further along, we'll get back to that.

Speaker 1: 9:26

Definitely we're going to get to that. I know you're referring to Malachi, z York, right right, also known as Governor Dwight York many other aliases. How did you get involved with the Ansar community? What introduced you into the Ansar community, first of you, into the Ansar law community.

Speaker 2: 9:45

First of all, my family, again. I used to live between New York and North Carolina. Shout out to a cousin of mine named Alan Alan Felton that's the you know, the government name from my so-called family that took over right and even though he was traveling the pathway of the Nation of Gods and Earths or the five centers, back over right and even though he was traveling the pathway of the Nation of Gods and Earths or the Five Percenters back then, right, because we lived and he used to go down to the Hall of Knowledge and I used to see him bring these books back Now, even though he was traveling the path of the Five Percenters, he was later on. He then migrated to some form of Islam, be it Sunni or Shiite now, but I credit him and he was known at that time as Master God of Law, right? So my cousin, my family member, my relative, he was the first one that I used to see. He used to bring these books and stuff home, even though he used to do the knowledge as a five-a-center.

Speaker 2: 10:45

But I used to see he used to bring these books and stuff home, even though he used to do the knowledge as a fiber center. But I'm sitting back. I remember he read something from that book, from one of those moving Islamic publications. So my cousin, he probably was about five or six years older than me, but because we're double kin, we're two brothers and two sisters, kind of married. Like you know, my father married my aunt, which was his father's sister. So we actually are like double kin, got you. But you know, shout out to him though man, you know, and his intentions was good, but he planted that seed a long time ago because I started off reading but I didn't fully accept or embrace the teachings of the Nation of Gods and Goddesses to which I got my attribute in 1984.

Speaker 1: 11:37

Oh, we got to correct that Nation God and Goddesses. We got the Nation God and Earth respectfully, because you know, yeah, I got it, you got to remember, I'm 57 years young, right?

Speaker 2: 11:47

So I'm going to call it the way that it was called back then right. Yeah, that's the way we, that's the way you know, the elder gods who gave me my God attribute back then right, this is what it was called. Now I'm not going to say it wasn't called other things, I'm just going to give it to you the way it was given to me.

Speaker 1: 12:05

Okay, the only reason why I interject, and said that because I have never heard that term used before. But again like yeah, more you know not to put you on the spot.

Speaker 2: 12:14

almighty, you know, I'm 57 years young and I'm getting younger, so so what's your math then? What's your math, Are you?

Speaker 1: 12:27

Jace is younger or a little bit older than me.

Speaker 2: 12:29

No, I'm coaching knowledge.

Speaker 1: 12:29

All right, All right. And again I shout out to them because I studied for a brief amount of time and what I learned was very pivotal in my life by being right and exact. You understand. And I always give them their respect. So you say that you started with the Nubian Islamic publications. Those are the small pamphlets, so that must have been back in the 70s.

Speaker 2: 12:57

No, fam. To be honest, those publications, they was on a collegiate level Compared to what's being out today. I'm going to be honest with you. This information is small compared to what he used to put out. It was on a collegiate level. Even sometimes those books appear to be thin. But, bro, we was talking about scientific information. We went into DNA and blood type and tribes and all that kind of stuff. Man, I'm telling you, I'm going to be honest with you, what the term? We went into DNA and blood type and tribes and all that kind of stuff. Man, I'm telling you, I'm going to be honest with you, what this, what the term right knowledge now, or actual facts is baby knowledge, man, compared to what he was dropping in those publications back then.

Speaker 1: 13:36

All right. So so you say you started. So how old were you when you say you started?

Speaker 2: 13:40

You got exposed to those books like you know what teen, early teens- no, I was actually nine years old at first the first time I read the publication. Remember, shout out to my cousin, my relative Master God of Law. He used to bring those publications back home and he used to leave them. Because I learned I was always well advanced and I was always a quick learner back then A lot of times, you know, one of the things that's a natural gift for me is I can learn more about watching my surrounding and I will listen to the way other people will talk, right, and I will sit back and watch and listen.

Speaker 2: 14:22

And sometimes, you know, I wouldn't necessarily ask a question or anything like that. I would just pretty much take it in right If something I wanted to ask my cousin about or something I was confused about, even though I was reading those publications. Like I said, I was always pretty much advanced. So I would either ask him later on or through some miracle, believe it or not, I would find the answer either in that book or one of the other publications that he would bring home.

Speaker 1: 14:50

Okay, got you. That's peace right there. So when did you yourself decided to become part of the answer or law community?

Speaker 2: 14:58

June 26th 1991. At that time, you know to be brief is, even though I was living in North Carolina, we used to go to Norfolk, virginia, which was about 45 miles away from where I was living at there used to be a festival that was called Afghan Fest. I don't know if they're still doing it or not. It used to be at a park. I remember my elder brother, whose name is L I actually drove his car, me and him were just me and him going down. So we went down to Afghan Fest, so we walked in the festival Matter of fact I think it was at, not Tidewater Park, but anyone take time to look that up in North right. So we went to this park and you know we was buying food, man meeting, you know different girls and guys and stuff like that very culturally right, you know, people from many different tribes was a part of Afghan Fest. So I looked up and I saw some brothers that was at a table with a white jalapeno on. Now I'm familiar with it again from not only the publications but living in New York. So I was like man, I ain't seen that down here since I left New York. You get what I'm saying. So, soul to soul. I found myself and told my man, my brother. I said I got to go to this table here, so I go over to the table. And again, here's one of the miracles where people want a bad mouth. Again, dr Malachi Z York, and it just just happened to me, it happened to many other people, but this is my experience of what happened June 26, 1991. Ok, even though I fully embraced the teachings at that time, like, like I say, nation of gods and goddesses, right, the five nation 1984 to 1991. So, anyway, my soul guided me to the table. So me and this brother and again I'm coming from that type of knowledge I had, right. So me and him was just making eye contact. I haven't even looked down at the table yet, right, and you know, because I'm like I'm doing the knowledge with him and he's building with me. And he said so you're a 5% of her. So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:13

And he said that you know, you ever thought about investing in getting a publication so you'd be able to know more about what you're talking about? God, I'm like I would if one was available. But back then there wasn't these lessons and plus lessons, that was pretty much compiled in one book, right and I'm like shit, I would if there was such a book? Yeah, of course I would. He said well, look down. Then I looked down and the book of the five percenters. Let me see if I can pull it up. I don't know if I can show you this or not.

Speaker 2: 17:50

Thanks to the digital age in which we're in, I got a digital copy of a like a PDF copy of this book, and this is actually the first publication that I brought after reading you know my family members, books and stuff that he would bring. If I can get it open, as soon as it opened, I'll show you. What's so crazy about it is when I looked down and he told me back. Then I remember he said I'll tell you what he said I'll sell you one for $15 and you get two for $25. One of the greatest errors that I ever did in my life is I brought one instead of two, because when I took the book, took my shahadah the same night. Right, took my shahadah the same night.

Speaker 2: 18:41

And the more I studied the book because at first I didn't take it as something that I wanted to embrace myself. Right, one of the elder gods I used to build with man. You know what he did in my book. He took and ripped the book in half.

Speaker 2: 19:00

Oh, I don't know what it was, but you know the guys back then man used to hate, as he was known back then, iman Issa, and the only reason why to keep it respectful, because I don't know if he got children. But, bro, it took a lot. It took a lot for me to walk away Because he almost caught a bad one Out of the love and respect I had for him, because he was one of the ones that not only embraced me but he was there for me. Matter of fact, he wasn't the one that gave me my God attribute, but he was close. He was like his right-hand man compared to Father, allah and justice. He was like justice Now, I don't know if you can see it law and justice. He was like justice. Now, I don't know if you can see it, but I think I like it.

Speaker 1: 19:48

I think isn't that book Questions to Ask a 5% or something like?

Speaker 2: 19:51

that.

Speaker 1: 19:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:54

Hold on a minute. Yeah, that is, that's the way it looked. Okay, and that same guy that I had the utmost respect for man when he took and ripped my book up in half and I looked at him, I said you know, you don't know how bad I want to lay it to you right now, man, what I'm going to do is I'm going to walk away. But not only am I going to walk away, but I'm done with that, because what you did is is unforgivable.

Speaker 1: 20:25

Did he tell you why? He told you to pull the book up?

Speaker 2: 20:28

Yeah, he told me, man, cause that time he was like um Imam Issa is don't know what he's talking about, and and all this kind of stuff, man. But again, even right here to today, man, you got a lot of people that that hate this man, loved by many but also hated by just as many.

Speaker 1: 20:49

You know, in life there's something called there's no polarities. You know, everyone's experience is different right, right, I experienced that myself.

Speaker 2: 20:58

I experienced that myself. Can I share something? Can I share something as we continue to go on? Man, I want to share something, god, can I share something as we continue to go on? Man, I want to share something. I'm known as Huni Bakatun right, that's my tribal name. My penny stage name is Master kind of magic man, haru.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Right, when I was doing my best eight years ago and shout out to WNT9 Radio Radio because I was introducing sound therapy, to try to offer it as a form of healing for our people, because with all of the knowledge and stuff that we have, we still continue to be divided. Some people are still hurt by things of the past, during the Ansarulah community era, all the way up to right knowledge, to when things hit the fan on May 8, 2002. So sound therapy, right, which you're known by as the master sound therapist, is try to use that as a form of healing, by using sound and really sound judgment right, as a form to heal ourselves and each other, even though it went over a lot of people's head at the time, right. But I'm kind of questioning now, man, what do our people want? Man, I think our people love to continue to be not all I'm not saying all, but a mass majority of us will spend again, like you said earlier, a lot of time we can't get back.

Speaker 2: 22:30

I'm saying this for a reason, because the night before my interview I had a so-called they won't call it Satan's at the time, it was called the Wapians at the time had a dude come up in my inbox. It's because there's different stages that we go through, from the God stage to the master stage, to the elder stage, right. And this dude actually inboxed me. I'm gonna show you how silly the nation, how far people have fell. This dude inboxed me. He said hey, you call yourself at that time, master, right. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, what's the reason, you know? He said, well, how dare you call yourself a master? And I'm listening, right, I'm listening to him. I say and if I continue to call myself a master, what? What's supposed to happen? He said, well, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised on how many people are going to be upset by that. I'm like, like who, on how many people is going to be upset by that? I'm like who.

Speaker 1: 23:35

Do you know who they had?

Speaker 2: 23:36

the audacity to say that would get mad at me for calling myself a master. Take a guess, I ain't going to give you three. Who do you think?

Speaker 1: 23:43

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 23:48

This dude actually said Dr Malachi Z York would be mad at me for calling myself a master. How? We even know, and I'm listening now because I can't speak about other people's experience but me taking time to speak to him and get to know him. Like you and I get to know each other, I know that what he said is an outright lie, never had a problem whatsoever and never will have a problem whatsoever about us growing into what we're supposed to grow into understood.

Speaker 1: 25:03

So you know, I hear what you're saying 100% and there's something that's something for you know, our people. Basically there's a lot of work that has to be done. It's the healing and getting proper. That's something for our people. Basically, there's a lot of work that has to be done. It's the healing and getting proper education and learning to dialogue and debate, with not being disrespectful, but to go back on track. You said you started with the Ansar Allah community. You took your shahada that night right and you took your shahada at the Hall of Knowledge down here During that time.

Speaker 2: 25:33

Okay, we went to. At that time there was an Ansar Law community that was in Newport News, virginia, which wasn't too far from where we were in Norfolk, probably about a good maybe 20, 25 minute depending on traffic. So there was a community, an Anzalaw community, back then. And this is when the nation was making a transition from the going through that phase because it was only a school for us. That's a key point, right there, most of the stuff that we ever went through was only a form of school for us, and I emphasize, only Most of the stuff that we ever went through was only a form of school for us. And I emphasize only, and because we left that, you know, from 1970 to 73, depends on who you ask right For 20 years.

Speaker 2: 26:22

So the time can go from either 1970 to 1990 or all the way up to 1973 to 2003. It's when we start to go into the next phase of the Holy Tabernacle Ministries. Then that's when we came with, that's when we came out with the Right Knowledge pamphlets, the little small pamphlets, and it actually was like the middle stage to where we ended up, going to as far as the AEO type of scrolls and all that kind of stuff, because you know what, growing up in brooklyn I I remember seeing dudes on the streets um selling the pamphlets and oils yeah, but the jellipiers and all the sisters in the field, right, yeah, and the pictures and all that.

Speaker 1: 27:02

And I used to see the pictures because, I'm not gonna lie, I used to see the books. They were kind of like comic books.

Speaker 1: 27:07

At one point I see the drawing and the feeling right right and then you know, there was a dude I remember who had like a. He was next to a video store and he had the books and you know I was looking at them and after a while try to understand it, I was like I couldn't really get into it. I was like it's not really, you know, not everything's meant for everyone, like it's not a thing. You know I'm saying so. I felt back back from that. And then there's a whole other slew of things. But I remember that point At one point when York did have an influence on hip-hop artists and the culture and him challenging people about religion and such. It was pretty deep. So you say you went to that Hall of Knowledge in Virginia. And it was pretty deep. So you say you went to that hole of knowledge in Virginia. Did you ever come in contact with Dr York when you were a member of the NCR?

Speaker 2: 28:01

Not at the time. We didn't physically come in contact with each other until 1995. Even though, like I said, I took my shahada that self-same night on June 26, 1991. And I continued to study the doctrine. I continued to not only go there but I continued my natural pathway, because I was about ready to go to college to get my first degree, a bachelor's degree in religious studies.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Because, again, this is a part of things, again, not because I need it I was raised religiously but because some people and this is for the life of me you got some of our people want to get the documentation, of course, by one of their masters in one of their schools that they control with European thought.

Speaker 2: 28:51

So this is what they wanted. And some of my elders was telling me to say you know, as divinely gifted and thorough as you are, some people won't listen to you unless you produce one of those documentations to have graduated from one of their so-called colleges. And I did it for that purpose, and that purpose only, because I'm here to tell you, even though I went through those schools right, in order for me to get a degree, I had to answer the question. Like most of us, no one I know better, but I did that because you know this is something that you know people who's close to me, such as Illuminium, which is my godfather. I did it for them. I didn't do that for me personally, but because I was fortunate enough and it was a part of my upbringing that I give thanks to that.

Speaker 1: 29:46

I got you, so that's so, that's dope. So you went and you mentioned like the changes of school of thoughts, because I know from what I pulled up. He started with the was it the pure sufi thing? Honestly, dr yoke started he's because he was a student of um sheikh daoud, as he said, right, his history, sheikh daoud.

Speaker 1: 30:06

From there he started a pure sufi thing and then from there, with the hebrew, the nubian hebrew islamic school and you know the other stuff came about, the holy tablets. Then you know I'm saying when he went out of space somewhere after and I was like, yeah, you know, I'm saying so and he said he went out of space.

Speaker 1: 30:25

Yeah, yeah, well, you don't all that, or pp's have been. Yeah, he went out of space. So I say so, you experienced all that you went through. Did have been? It went out of space. So I say so, you experienced all that you went through. Did you go through all those school of thoughts yourself?

Speaker 2: 30:33

yeah, but. But. But far as I stand, you know, correct, through all throughout the doctrine before 1970, we always spoke about being before the sun or before the so-called beginning, the way that was taught. So it was always there. It's not something that he started teaching later on, it was always there, matter of fact. If you look at, if you ever get, you know, have access to, and I can show you that a lot of the earlier Pampers even though you saw him with the Islamic regalia right with the show, with the staff and all of that right, if you look closely at some of the posters, you will always see one of either you know what most people refer to as a ship that was either beaming down towards them right, or you will see it somewhere. So it was always there.

Speaker 2: 31:27

Now again, let me add this too, because I give thanks for my own personal experience. So I have seen many things that most people on earth can't explain. There's nothing on earth that can travel faster than what, the speed, or what they're calling the speed of light. I'm talking about comet-like type of speed, right, I have seen that all throughout my life personally. You know, and I don't know how long this interview is going to go. But, trust me, some of us was there. Some of us, some of us was there on our land, especially in 1997. Remember the first Mike Tyson fight? Remember that the Mike Tyson, not Buster Douglas, but the first Mike Tyson, evander Holyfield fight. You remember that fight, the very first one? Yeah, I remember that fight, yeah. So we was on our land, tamaray, at the time, and it was actually showing that fight. It wasn't Hathor Studios but Ramesses Nightclub, right. That was dubbed as a movie theater, right? So you?

Speaker 1: 32:37

lived in the land.

Speaker 2: 32:38

I didn't live in the land but I had assets too, because at that time, as a business owner back then, you know, I became one of the ones who used to distribute the books. That was one of my earliest, earliest books. But I had assets to be able to go back and forth and I used to be able to pick up. I miss those days, man. I used to be able to pick up the phone and we used to have what they call COD cash on delivery. I would tell the office you're going to send me so, so, so and so, and it will be there in a matter of three days.

Speaker 1: 33:08

All got you. Continue about that comment yeah, but that night of the fight.

Speaker 2: 33:17

It was man. This was during the Savior's weekend, as we used to say, birthday celebration. Many of us and I'm talking about it had to be at least five or six thousand of us just out in line and we, just as family because it was always about family with us, man, in regards to whatever tribe or wherever we came from on this planet we used to gather and it was all about love and family there. So, in a mix, because all of us couldn't fit inside of the again, the club that was dubbed as a movie center, but it was actually showing and broadcasting the fight live. So we was actually getting what was happening in the fight by hearsay. So, and I still remember a sister right here to this day man, we all outside under the canopy man, the skies used to be lit up right and one of the sisters say wait a minute, that ain't a star, me like the rest of us I'm talking about thousands of us you know we all looked up and what appeared to be amongst the stars, man, just took off with tremendous speed. Right Now I'm going to show you again. To me it's nothing less of a miracle, because one of the books and it might be out of print now, but you might be able to find a copy in PDF called Mystery Clouds by the UFO, but this was at nighttime. This was at nighttime and the inkly blackness of the night, with all these so-called stars right, just took off and it was just going from one side of the sky to the other right and it seemed like now get this. Now we're standing there on Earth.

Speaker 2: 34:59

As it was traveling, the sister was talking and said evidently it must be sensing that it's being detected right and me, like many other people, is looking at it. They started coming from all over the place. I'm talking about eight or nine was just coming from, like from the bottom up, and would disappear. Another would come from the left side and like disappear and this carried on, man, for about a good maybe five or ten minutes. There was this all over the place man I'm talking about with a comet-like type of speed, right. So as soon as she said that, she said yeah, there must be a sense that we're watching this whole. It's like a almost like a laser-like show. It says there's someone, took a blanket. Put it in your mind that someone took like a curtain or something from one side of the sky and just snatched it and went all the way to the other side, like I just did with my hand, where you couldn't see nothing. It was just completely black. You couldn't see no stars or anything. We all just look at it.

Speaker 1: 36:08

I've seen that in country roads. When you go out in the country, when there city lights, you see activity as such. So Daryl was there in 97 years on the land, so throughout the land. I know there were different other school of thoughts where they had the whole Yamasee process when he became. What was it? Chief Blackfoot, Something like that, Thunderbird something.

Speaker 2: 36:33

Chief Thunderbird, black Eagle. All right, you got to remember. These are just attributes, man. The same thing that in the Islamic culture would call an imam. The same thing, even though when I went through the school of Judaism, right, like some people back then, I was known as a rabboni right, which is nothing but a master teacher right, like some people back then, I was known as a Rabboni right, which is nothing but a master teacher right. So this is just different stages that people would apply to him, and apply not just to him, but many of us that actually have that, you know, that knowledge of leadership and divinely gifted like that. So also, it's been on record. It's also been on record, man, that he's just as much Native American as he is of Sudanese heritage Because his mother is Native American.

Speaker 1: 37:25

I hear that there's a lot of discrepancies. I hear that that's what you're saying, but there's a lot of discrepancies. I hate that that's what you're saying, but there's a lot of discrepancies. You know, in regards to his origin, you know, being born in Boston, massachusetts, you understand, and all this extra stuff from Boston and not actually the whole Sudanese thing and you know what else being a diplomat, but that's like down the line stuff later down, yeah too. But so you say you was, you was on the land, you, you. You started your publication working with dr york, I mean selling the books on the land and stuff becoming a business owner. Were there any like, how I say, going through the ranks of becoming a teacher yourself in there in that organization?

Speaker 2: 38:15

You know, part of my calling, part of my lifestyle.

Speaker 2: 38:19

Okay, some of us and I'm going to take it back to the Ancestor Law community some of us was meant to be raised outside of the so-called gates of that type of confinement that was in Bushwick, brooklyn, so on and so forth.

Speaker 2: 38:36

Some of the best of so-called students was raised outside of that environment, and I'm saying it this way for a reason. So it wasn't part of my destiny to be amongst the rankings, as most people was trying to fight, and that's what caused a lot of discrepancies is because I was only there to get the knowledge, not only to validate what was happening in my own personal life, unlike, I want to say, probably 85 to 95% of the people who ever studied the doctrine. Okay, because most of them, even if they don't like to see it, they became dependent on either what they either read in the book or from someone else, and that's pretty much the classic story of so many people in our world. And I go so far to say 99.99.99 percent of the people have yet to have their own personal experience dealing with the divine Right.

Speaker 2: 39:39

So that's what made me different. So, again, again, to answer your question, I didn't have no desire because I was there for one purpose or one reason only purpose, or one reason only for me to finally see him because of the divine love and respect I had for him and appreciation, to not only give me concrete proof of certain things that I, pretty much, was being raised in and studied for all of this time. So, I traveled in 1995. I traveled in 1995 to finally see him in person. Got you.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Got you and where you're, like you know, with the books that you know he has penned what they say close to 300 something, 300 or 400 books or something like that. So they say he was able to pen multiple genre. You know subjects, like. You know, like from religious context, spirituality and extraterrestrial, but as far as his books, right, which book was the main one that made the shift for you, outside of the 5% of one, which one really said? You know what I'm going to really dedicate myself to the following For me.

Speaker 2: 40:51

Again, that sparked for me is when I fully comprehended what he was getting at, when I got that book to the fiber center, and I have yet to read any of the book from the small scrolls, and again I'm talking about the doctrine books. Again that was on a collegiate level, Things like you know, have you been born again? We had all kinds of things, man, that that he would read, that he would put out there. So to me I have yet to read any book that he had put out, that he had access to, that didn't reach me in a different type of way. And to me he's divinely gifted in his way of being able to convey and to be able to for us to be able to see it ourselves, which is one of the best kept secrets, Really, yeah, One of the best kept secrets. And also, I haven't seen any other teacher or leader before his time or during his time, and even right here now.

Speaker 2: 42:00

Right, that open up to the point where anyone can come off the street and ask their questions, Because most people come pre-scripted. Right, Most of the so-called rabbis and cohenes and preachers and reverends and imams and sheikhs and all this kind of stuff like that I can't think of any other one, whether it's in America or throughout the rest of the world, where they're allowed to do that. Anyone, whether you're a student or what you can come right on off the street. If you got something you're confused about, you can go right up to the mic that's the way it used to be right and ask any question that you wanted to without being told that you're a demon or you're a blasphemer and some of the other catch stuff people tend to say because either they didn't know the answers themselves, so that's what created a lot, a lot of contention with other people in different communities.

Speaker 1: 43:03

From there. You said the book inspired you. Things that you have learned from Dr York. What did he teach you himself through conversation with him? Did you ever challenge his information? Say, point me to your point of reference. Where did you get that from? How did you get that information? What made? Say, point me to your point of reference. Where'd you get that from? How did you get that information? Like, what made you produce these writings?

Speaker 2: 43:24

You know what's so unique about it is even going back to when I got the 5% book. Right, the book is constructed and it's designed to give you certain reference books, matter of fact, if you open up the beginning of it, two of the things that he used to reference and I still remember right here to this day. He said and this is within the book, that 5% book right. He said I suggest that you purchase Supreme Wisdom 1 and 2 by the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Right, he was always respectful for other people that was on the scene or during that time or before him. All throughout his books.

Speaker 2: 44:11

So there was always reference materials and, unfortunately, over here in America, most of the people wasn't taught to read, write and chant Arabic and Hebrew and all the different things that we was encouraged to learn. But again, I'm an exception to the rule because by me being raised in it, right, I was already had a strong sense of different words and how things would change and what appeared to be different. But actually it wasn't different at all. The script might have changed, right, but there were certain root meanings, whether it was in Arabic or Hebrew, that there was really really no difference. But this is something that we're able to see our own selves if we choose to see it.

Speaker 1: 44:56

So, because I'm going to be just Okay, all right, okay, so, like you know, cause I'm going to be just asking questions. So what, what is a new WAPI? And on new WAPI, cause you know I had different stories, you know, going from a different school of thoughts, and you know he did this and that and the holy tapping apple was at ministries. Yeah, what made people come to that conclusion of being a Nuwapian or Nuwapian, and now they call themselves Sabers or whatever, sabians, sabians, yeah, can you describe what's a Nuwapian and break it down to us?

Speaker 2: 45:34

I can speak on what a Sabian is. There's other brothers out here that still follow that particular pathway For me and I explained that even now and later that to me that was a stopping point for me. When things hit the fan, when the land was raided and taken and through infiltration through our organization, like many other ones, right, I was already leery about where the nation was going to go. Right After the government stepped in, took our land and the family and all that kind of stuff like that got dispersed.

Speaker 1: 46:12

So you stop right there, all right.

Speaker 2: 46:13

Okay. So now, fonz, go back to your original question on what is Nuwakian, to put it in simple terms, you know. Go back to your original question on what is Nuwa'i. To put it in simple terms, you know, based on the language Nuwa'i whether it's Nun Wa Ba right is nothing but dealing with information, and what's so unique about it? When you speak about a Nabi or any of these things pertaining to be it, in schematic languages, that's speaking about a prophet, right that these are the people that brought information to our world as we know it. So, for simpler terms, on the Y-Pian, it's really people that have a vast amount of information. This is something we have and who and what we are by nature. It don't have anything really to do religiously, even though you can find connotations within that word, be it throughout the scriptures.

Speaker 1: 47:13

I got you, so it's just basically redefining self into your own terms, coming to sovereignty of self.

Speaker 2: 47:21

Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. But you know far as where people can actually, like you say, do research on it. If they look up the word prophet, then they will see those letters. Like I just said, noon, west, west, or sometimes you don't see a west. Sometimes you say noon and west, right, but like I say, once you study again, again, you'll be able to have that strong sense. So now only do that apply to a so-called prophet of the scriptures, right? This also applies to the information that people can receive in the form of a book or in the form of knowledge itself okay.

Speaker 1: 47:59

They say knowledge, you know, is the respect, it's power. It's power when you say the land was taken, raided by FBI and such. There are many that are listening and observing, that are familiar with the case of Dr York and other things. You understand what have transpired that led to that point, Because you know we spoke about the books, your experience it was beautiful. I could tell from what I'm hearing you're a person who likes to seek knowledge and go out there and acquire information. You understand, and that's why I asked if you have a challenge on his doctrine and what he spoke.

Speaker 2: 48:39

But from day one, let me be clear about something I didn't just get that book.

Speaker 2: 48:44

Actually, it took me about a good year, back to the back in 1991. It took about a year for me to read the book over and over, and I'm looking at El Quran and I'm looking at the Torah and meanwhile I'm shopping and even learning Arabic and Hebrew and Greek and all that kind of stuff all during this year. Some I was familiar with. But I'm going to be honest with you, through poor translations and sometimes, being born and raised over here in America, I would hear certain things right that sound familiar to my ear, but to be able to most people so-called Americans, muslims they would give you the English interpretation of what they're actually saying. So unique again to me I feel like it's something that I even do within my teachings now is to be able to teach in ways where people can actually learn and not really know that they're actually learning at the same time okay, so, like, like, like I was saying, and that and that's and that's dope, you went to go study different language because you know language.

Speaker 1: 49:51

The key is key. It's key, um, say, to like those who challenge his teachings and his writings, because we know from what the public says there were many people that were helping him write his books. You know how they say some people divinely prepared a book, like he was gathering information Down to the point. They say certain things were changed around, even plagiarized. We hear that. Let me continue down to the books. And then you mentioned some people could have challenged him and stuff in the past, debating whatsoever. I know him and Chuck was it? Chuck Phillips had something.

Speaker 2: 50:32

Oh, you're talking about old Chucky Ducky.

Speaker 1: 50:34

Yeah, bilal Phillips and him had something going back and forth because about the Ansar Al-Arakul, that forth because about the answer of our cult, and he said about the difference between that and orthodox Islam. So it's like there were some people trying to challenge him, because I have never heard of a case with Dr York actually debating anybody. You know what I'm saying. I just heard like you put out tapes whatsoever. You know a pamphlet but like to like a public forum to debate back and forth. Were there any things like that ever took place?

Speaker 2: 51:02

People had opportunity the whole time, even from the Ansar Law all the way to when things hit the fan. People had more than enough opportunities to come and I have seen personally on the land where many people have tried right. And I have seen personally on the land where many people have tried Right and I'm talking about conversations not just in English, the way that you and I are speaking now Right, so-called American English and debate with so-called Arabs that's coming over here in America, right, a whole conversation in Arabic, right. So my main thing is everybody had that opportunity. But what's so unique is if people do their own self-study.

Speaker 2: 51:48

In regards to whatever he put out in the form of a pamphlet or whatever and I definitely got to take time to address that you say, uh, plagiarize.

Speaker 2: 51:57

That's one of the biggest lies and one of the biggest stones that many people cast, because they can't explain how was it possible for even back then, long before the internet, that he was putting information out, long before DNA and all of this stuff, that we started finding out about the Limba tribe, the true Kohen priest and the so-called bloodline of the original people?

Speaker 2: 52:23

We read that in one of the many different pamphlets that he put out. One of them was called who's who on Planet Earth. Another one was called Belao Deceptive Bearer, where he spoke about the ancient Yahudahite that migrated from what most people know as Jerusalem, took route south and or went south downward and took route upward to land in Ethiopia. How was it possible for him to put all of that information long before the so-called internet, where you got these Google gangsters and stuff out there? I challenge you and anyone else who claim that he plagiarized, who plagiarized what he wrote or was divinely inspired within the Holy Tablet, to produce a copy of it. Many people say that God but no one is able to produce what he gave to us all within the confines of the Holy Tablet.

Speaker 1: 53:24

I say this because I say this? Because you know there were many authors back then, like the Zechariah stitching, and this is, like you know, information that's out there People can look up Morgan pointing to reference books that he say he copied from, morgan pointing to reference books that he say he copied from, and the fact that he had people in there helping him write the books. That will go to the library pick up information. It's not only Chuck Morgan, it's Bobby Hemet and many others and you know who also used to go to the land. Yeah, and going back to when you say the raid, you get what I'm saying, because what works for you may not work for others. You get what I'm saying, Because what works for you may not work for others. You know what I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to say. Okay, you know. So I want to know what led to the raid of 2008. I mean 2002, may 8th of 2002, where everything you know collapsed.

Speaker 2: 54:19

Well, there's a lot of information out there, but from a sister who was there while I was being raided, there was accusations that was going against him that caused it, and most of the people that pretty much planted the seeds for our land to be raided and taken away was no longer in the nation. They had went on about their life, but they was only there to cause a disruption anyway. Right, but I'm going to speak on behalf of me taking time to get to know him personally, because I'm not speaking from a hearsay she say point of view. I'm speaking from someone who took time to get to know him. So I'm speaking on the character of the person I got to know personally.

Speaker 2: 55:16

Yeah, then I was sitting and talk with him throughout my travels. We were meeting personally. Then I would sit and talk with him throughout my travels. We would meet and greet each other More than just a mere student type of teacher thing. When you take time to spend time with a person, get to know the person. Like many people who took the time to get to know me, they also can vouch for my character. The same way that people can vouch for my character, I can vouch for his character, that he's not the type of person that would do what he has been accused of.

Speaker 1: 55:46

No, I understand what you're saying and you know I heard the story. You know disgruntled members whatsoever, but there are many things out there. You know what I'm saying and to me I'm coming in straight, I'm coming straight out of the middle, unbiased by what I see. Ok, you say you knew him. He didn't do those things. But any man in his right mind, right, I don't care if I'm on my code whatsoever as as, as he put it, the women were his code defense, whatsoever, as he put it, the women were his co-defendants whatsoever. And they try to say that he was coerced or forced to take the plea agreement. I'm not letting nobody put no egregious charge like that if it's real or not on me and plead guilty in court. You understand, that's the part that got me, because I'm like the way this man speaks on tape. You know proud, strong, fierce, and I'm like for a charge like that to come. And you say that they made you say plead guilty. I'm not doing that, especially at a hold up, though.

Speaker 2: 56:51

let me ask you something hold up before you go. There. Are you married? Yeah, now, according to what was presented to us, that his wife was in need of certain things that she wasn't getting Right that at the time because whoever was handling the case at the time, they wasn't duly prepared to be able to do that. Plus, his wife was going through a challenge. So, in order for and this is the way these devils will come at you you haven't been faced with that yet, sir, and I wouldn't be putting that position either.

Speaker 2: 57:36

You know until you put in that position, sir, know to you. To you put in that position, sir, oh, you won't, you won't you won't know that.

Speaker 1: 57:43

Let me tell you, even if somebody put me in that position, or my life for my 41 years on this earth, I'd rather die on my feet than live in my knees. I'm not sitting with nothing like that, especially if I know I'm innocent. I'd rather die before die. First, you know, as he claimed to have those years of knowledge, there's no way I'm going to back down and let no freaking system put no case like that on me, bro.

Speaker 2: 58:06

But again, that's you and your experience. Again, you won't be able to know that until you're faced with that.

Speaker 1: 58:14

That won't happen.

Speaker 2: 58:15

That's the situation I'm not neither here or there, but to answer your question as far as pertaining to that. That's the way it was. He did that in order for it to save his wife's life. Given that situation.

Speaker 2: 58:27

Right and sometimes, sometimes like with me taking it off of him. I speak on me. Okay, there was a situation where I had to plead guilty for something I'm not going to mention now. Definitely don't have nothing to do with children or anything like that. None of that silliness.

Speaker 2: 58:44

First of all, I'm a father, right, I'm a father with my own children, right, and again, the many times of getting to know him and his character, to have my children around him, right, and again, I can vouch for his character, character not based on what somebody said he said and all of this other nonsense that most people like to gravitate to, because people's mind already want to hear about something filthy and dirty and what somebody else is doing, right, so that's besides the point.

Speaker 2: 59:13

But my main thing is, for whatever reason, that he did that, because sometimes you have to make certain choices for you to be able to fight and at that time, when things first hit the fan, people wasn't really really put in place to be able to fight all of these accusations.

Speaker 2: 59:32

And, just like right now, I'm speaking on behalf of his character, right, you don't find too many people that will speak on behalf of his character, right? You don't find too many people that will speak on behalf of his character, like with me now. I don't know how many people are watching when it's live or when it's archived, right, but I'm going to show you how sick the minds is that many of our people are. You take somebody like Chuckie Ducky that can say all kinds of degrading things and he can get a million and 99.999 million people to watch and listen to that nonsense. But because I come forth again, not as a so-called follower but a student, I come forth as a person to say that I love and respect him as much as my father. I never needed him to be my father because I had my own.

Speaker 1: 1:00:21

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:00:22

Right.

Speaker 2: 1:00:22

So I come from that standpoint. But you got many people that so-called disgruntled don't even know their own father, father wouldn't even claim them, you understand. So you're dealing with people that already had certain issues in their own life. One of the things that you wrote in the header and I appreciate you doing that was the question Did people misunderstood the Ansar law movement?

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

I want to take time to answer that question if you don't mind. It was very, very misunderstood because it was the chance again, because all that Ansar really is is an aider. It don't have anything to do with Islam, even though that word you can find it within Al-Quran, even though that's mistranslated as a helper. Many people wasn't there for that purpose. They wasn't there to be healed, even though they had all of the opportunity. Some people didn't even have full healed, even though they had all of the opportunity right. Some people didn't even have full clothes, water and shelter they never experienced that before and 24-hour security. They never experienced that before. Right, so they had all of that opportunity of learning not only to sacrifice and have to go in business for yourself.

Speaker 2: 1:01:38

For many brothers that used to peddle, that was again to me. I like to call it the Miyagi method. Not only are you out there pedaling, learning how to sail right For some people who quit their nine to five jobs or whatever, they were actually learning how to work for themselves but didn't have to work for anyone else right? These are the things, some of the things that most people won't even hear about, that I'm sharing with you and the rest of the world no, and let me make this clear all that I'm saying, there's not no personal attack on you as individuals, so let's get that straight I want them to hear, just like you say, you experience good things, your experience may be great.

Speaker 1: 1:02:21

I can't speak for your experience.

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

I can't speak for the victim's experience. That's their experience. It's just like I always use this analogy we could be looking at the same picture, but we have different perspectives, different experience, so we don't know. You understand what I'm saying. My thing is this as you said, for us to move forward as a people is that we learn from mistakes and move forward. You know what I'm saying. These things were done, they done, but our people just need to move forward and learn.

Speaker 1: 1:02:47

Terrible, whatever may have happened, what may have happened, but you know what I'm saying. There was a point at one time his information was good for many. It worked for many, so I'm going to keep it real. Like that you get what I'm saying. Mm-hmm, to each their own and I know we about the hour mark. I'd like to have you come back on the show so we could go more in depth, because we got the show set up behind this one. Okay, all right, we appreciate the magic and again, making this clear, it's nothing personal against you. I want the listeners and viewers to know we're not here. This is brothers is going back and forth and there was no disrespect. But I appreciate you for coming on the show. You got to come back and we know we'll have more dialogue when brother runs on here.

Speaker 2: 1:03:30

I appreciate it, fam. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:03:33

Likewise.

Speaker 2: 1:03:33

Peace, peace, thank you.