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New Black Panther Party - Ras Jelani
Revolutionary consciousness doesn't emerge overnight—it evolves through study, struggle, and spiritual seeking. Ross Jelani Adegum Simba's journey from Rastafarian roots to Regional Chairman of the New Black Panther Party's Mid-Atlantic division reveals the complex path of a modern revolutionary.Jelani shares his transformation through various Black nationalist traditions, studying with the Nation of Islam, Nation of Gods and Earths, and the Ansar Allah community before a fateful 1997 encounter with Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammad changed everything. His firsthand account of working with Muhammad—whom he describes as maintaining strict moral discipline within the organization—offers rare insights into an often mischaracterized movement.Beyond the guns and berets portrayed in media, Jelani reveals the NBPP's community-focused initiatives: clothing drives, food programs, self-defense training, and economic education. Yet even with these efforts, he acknowledges the challenges of organizing in Norfolk, Virginia, where resistance comes not just from traditional opponents but sometimes from within the Black community itself.The conversation takes a sobering turn as Jelani discusses the persistent threat of COINTELPRO-style infiltration, the power vacuum following Dr. Muhammad's death, and his perspective on America's future: "We are in the end times of this oppressive system... It's the end for somebody, but it's also somebody's end is a beginning for somebody else." This dialectical understanding frames the NBPP's urgent mission to build revolutionary consciousness while time remains.Whether you're a student of Black nationalist thought, curious about alternative political movements, or invested in understanding today's revolutionary organizations from the inside, this rare glimpse into the modern Black Panther movement offers essential conte
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peace world. I am back. It's your brother, mikey fever, the eight o'clock show. It's gonna be a great show. We got the new black panther party of ross gilani out of gum simba on our platform. Welcome, brother, how you doing? Black power, black power, black power, black power. You hear that people. Josh Jelani Adegum Simba on our platform. Welcome, brother, how you doing Black power, black power, black power, black power. You hear that, people. He's going to break down his history, how he got involved with the movement. You get to learn more about the brother and what he represents. We're going to start it off. Tell me, brother, where you from? Man, I'm from Norfolk, from uh norfolk virginia mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:North fort virginia. Yeah, born and raised, uh, born and raised north of virginia. That's what's up, man. So tell me upbringing how did you? How did you, um, did you grow up like in a religious, known family and all that? How was your upbringing?
Speaker 2:Definitely. My mom was Rastafarian so I grew up Rastafarian Big up. It was kind of too close to Christianity for me so I kind of moved on to some schools of Islam. Oh, I got you Islam. Oh I got you More science. Temple, nation of Islam, nation of Gods and Earths. Okay, and I was in the Ansar Allah community when I actually met Dr Khalid Abdul Muhammad.
Speaker 1:Peace, peace, peace, peace, sister, how you doing Peace? My sister shout out to her man doing her thing, beautiful black queen right there. So that's what's up. So you say Rastafarianism was close to Christianity. For you A little too close, because I kind of see aesthetically, as you know, more power to the people, how you see, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I'm talking about the Bible pod and the Bible stories. I kind of grew out of that into learning where the Bible came from and different types of stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1:So, as you mentioned, your family's from Jamaica.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's what's up. Shout out to my Jamaican people Big up man. So you said you started, you veered from that and got into Islam. So you started studying with the Nation of Islam out there in Virginia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, became a member of the Nation of Islam. You know, worked with them for a little while. You know worked with them for a little while. Moved on to different schools like Nation of Gods and Earth. More science to pull. Ended up in the Anzalot community under Imam Isa al-Hadi al-Mahti.
Speaker 1:Oh word, yeah, you was out there. You made your way down to Brooklyn to study and all that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we made my way up to upstate New York, jazir Abed, and then Brooklyn and down to Edenton, georgia as well.
Speaker 1:All right, that's interesting. We'll talk about that some other time. Definitely, bro.
Speaker 2:So, with all your journey, with experiencing all these school of thoughts, what made you settle on becoming a member of the Black Panther Party, dr Khalid Muhammad, in 1997. I was actually out there selling oils and incinents and he walked up and we had a conversation. I had already did my research to who he was in his speeches and all that, so when he walked up, it was like a shock and a blessing at the same time.
Speaker 1:Word. That's what I said, the information that he started pouring into you. You already had some information from a different school of thought you have you know, visited and studied with, but I guess, as you said, his presence what captivated you more to learn more about the movement, to get involved.
Speaker 2:Yes, definitely. He's the reason why I'm a member of the New Black Panther Party, so my loyalty is definitely to Khalil Muhammad, even though I've served under at least four different chairmen in the New Black Panther Party.
Speaker 1:Alright, got you. So how was the climate like after joining the Black Panther Party? How was the climate like after joining the Black Panther Party? How was the climate like in Norfolk, VA? What's the demographic out there amongst Caucasians and African-Americans?
Speaker 2:Well, here in the Tidewater area, it's most of us mostly Black people.
Speaker 1:It's most of us mostly black people, but once you step outside the Tidewater area in Virginia, it's more Caucasians than black people in Virginia. Did you come across like any? I don't know when? You joined the new Black Panther Party. You're breaking up a little bit the new Black Panther Party. You're breaking up a little bit the new Black Panther Party.
Speaker 2:You joined in the college. Yes, the new Black Panther Party for self-defense.
Speaker 1:All right. So how was it like when you joined? What does the enlisting role entail? What kind of people do you work with Processing reading books? What kind of people do you process Even books?
Speaker 2:Well, we have a manual.
Speaker 2:We have a 10-point platform nine local objectives, five duties of a Panther, 12 general orders. So all that's within the manual of the New Black Panther Party and the manual. We're not a religious organization. If we was, then the manual would be our Bible, and so the manual is what we go by, is what we study. We study all the contents within the manual of the New Black Panther Party. I have the original, one of the original manuals. It's thick with a whole lot of pages. Now the manual has been revised and stuff like that over the years. I still have the original and mostly go by the original manual, the one that we would have under Dr Khalil Abdul-Mohamed.
Speaker 1:Alright, and was this had to be memorized? Do they test you on it? Do like a question and answer a recall in order to be a full member.
Speaker 2:Well, there are certain things that you're supposed to study to get certain passes within the new Black Panther Party, your 12 general orders and your 10-point platform you're supposed to study. Of course they test and see if people can recall. And then we have political education classes where we actually go into the contents of the 10-point program and five duties of the Panther and 12 general orders and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1:Got you, got you Okay. So you did the study and you enrolled. You did the study and you enrolled, you did the study. Do they hold weekly classes and stuff like that for you guys?
Speaker 2:Well, every chapter is supposed to have weekly meetings according to the manual. We have bi-weekly well, bi-monthly meetings because we're active in other things as well, like clothing drives, food drives, security, different programs that we got going on.
Speaker 1:All right, got you, so all right, okay, that's cool. So with that, like how many, how many members were involved in your how many members were in your, in your chapter?
Speaker 2:I'm like Khalid on that one I was told never to give out numbers.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got that. I respect that. I got that. I got that, but you guys were were deep, all right. So, being that you're in Norfolk, virginia, and I know that state could get very um hostile.
Speaker 2:Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1:Were there any conflicts you guys ever came across out there?
Speaker 2:a lot of different conflicts, mostly among you know, sadly said, but mostly among our own people. Really, yeah, really not, you know, just not wanting to be informed and add on, and I think a lot of them are scared of adding on to the new Black Panther Party and other Black nationalist groups. It's not like any other city, like when you go outside of Norfolk, like if you go to New York or Jersey or somewhere. It's a lot more cultural than Norfolk, virginia.
Speaker 1:I got you. So why was that? Why were you getting a lot of resistance from our own people? What created that? Was it misinformation, cointelpro? Or they just felt the approach was too much for them out there at the time?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, a lot of people feel like the new Black Panther Party itself, not just in awful Virginia, but a lot of people feel like it's a bit hard and harsh. I mean, that's according to you know, the way that the media and stuff like that makes well, all Panthers, not just the new Black Panther Party. The media makes all Panthers appear bad. When we're doing community programs and stuff, stuff to help our people, all they want to show is the Panthers with the guns which is nothing wrong with being a Panther and having a gun, let me say that. But they show a different side to the public. Some of the public knows better because they participate in the programs like the clothing drives and food drives and cultural events that we have and we invite lecturers in and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1:You guys have breakfast programs as well, right, like the original painters had.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't have ours up and running right now. We we have had it in in the past. Uh, we're looking forward to getting that back up and running. Like we said, we need more participation from the uh, from the people, in order to keep more pro multiple programs going at once Got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:I respect that All right. So then, so you say you got a lot of resistance from the people in the community, how was it dealing with the white population out there? No, no real static with them or police, you know, when they seen you guys out there in public, you know, say, for instance, you guys were carrying guns or not carrying guns, or just congregating within a certain area, did they ever harass you guys?
Speaker 2:Not on my watch. We get respect from everybody. Mostly the time when we deal with law enforcement, I'm the front man, so I got to you know as a general, I got to make sure you know that my soldiers are all right and that everything is being done according to the law, and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you guys study civics as well. Yes, that's what's up, man A lot of civics and stuff, case studies and everything else. Knowing the law, did you guys ever provide classes of economics for the people?
Speaker 2:Yes, at one time we did have economic classes. We have cultural classes all the time Self-defense classes, mixed muscle arts training and stuff like that. Food programs, stuff like that All right, that's what's up, so okay.
Speaker 1:So you had the food programs. You had cultural events with people in the community. There was some resistance from some blacks in the area. How was it like working with Dr Khaled if you could break that down once you got to know him?
Speaker 2:Working with Dr Khaled was amazing, let me say I worked with him a lot, but not as much as some other people. I did work with him a lot when I worked with him, going on maneuvers with him, actually, you know, talking to him a lot and getting to see how he was training soldiers and stuff like that as well His morals were definitely in check and the new Black Panther Party was under him, under his leadership, morally in check. Now, after he passed away, a lot of stuff happened. A lot of people lost their morals and started doing different crazy stuff. Uh, uh rebirth the new black panther party and uh got rid of a lot of the bull crap and uh, people that were uh basically doing uh, corn tail pro type stuff. That's that's why they were agents just some. Some of them are too done dumb to be called agent.
Speaker 1:So that's where I find that Okay. So you guys still face the tactics of Cointelpro. So how can one determine that one's an agent? Like you know, what do you guys look out for to determine that individual is an agent within the organization?
Speaker 2:we do background checks. Uh, everybody come in has to have a background check. Uh, the background checks are done by national uh and local as well, but really the burden is on uh national Nashville to do the background check.
Speaker 1:So you know there are certain things that. No, you can't say, you can't say on here, but yeah, yeah, certain things you can't say, yeah definitely, and I respect that.
Speaker 1:You know, because you know that that's something that's kind of like, you know. You know salute to the Panthers and rest in peace to Khaled. You know for those who put themselves on the front line to defend the people and fight for the people's honor and integrity and their rights. But I know it's chaotic to deal with. You know COINTELPRO in place for you. Don't know who's coming to the front door Because you know, not all skinfolk are kinfolk. You know what I'm saying, as they put it. But yeah, you mentioned that when Khaled was alive he enforced strict moral policy and codes of ethics amongst the movement. So you said, after he passed, some people fell off. Was there a kind of struggle for power within there, like a power vacuum, people trying to take over?
Speaker 2:over. Yeah, definitely a power vacuum and just people just getting loose after, because Khalil Muhammad was definitely a soldier, straight soldier, so some people felt like they could get loose after that. Trust me, that wasn't the move to make. If anything, we needed to tighten up even more. Some people just got loose and lost their morals and just started doing stuff outside the manual and just going to the left. That's wild, bro, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's wild. So, okay, after that happened, you said that you really did some maneuvers with Khaled, like security detail for him and all that made sure all eyes was on him at all times, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:More than likely. We was doing maneuvers and stuff like that. I went on a maneuver in Philadelphia, washington DC. I can remember going to Washington DC protesting against George W Bush the first George W Bush, the first George W Bush and Khalil Muhammad had us and we had basically more rag here than the police did. Oh, wow, yeah, and those type of events. You know going back after that, you know going out to dinner with Khalid and stuff like that. One of his favorite spots was Sylvia's in Harlem.
Speaker 1:I know that was his spot. Yeah, most definitely, because I remember as a child I attended the Million Youth March. He had, yeah, in Harlem. That was. That was something to remember, very electrifying when he hit the stage and how he had the people. He had the people in the frenzy man and I see the threat that he represented. And I even know that there were multiple attempts made on Khaled's life. I believe there was one point he was shot at one point, I believe, yeah yeah, definitely Out in California by some guy named James Best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was shot in the leg out there in California.
Speaker 1:That's crazy man. So do you still keep in contact with his family, or like his son, farrah Gray, I believe?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not. I'm not in direct contact. He is on my Facebook page. I mean if that means anything. But we don't necessarily talk like that. He's on some relationship type stuff.
Speaker 1:I got you I got you relationship type stuff. I got you, I got you. So you mentioned that you was part of. You know we jumping back and forth that you was part of the Nation of Islam, right, were you ever part of Fruit of Islam?
Speaker 2:Yes, A long time ago I received my ex and was in the FOI. As a matter of fact, a long time ago I received my ex and it was in the FOI. That's what's up. As a matter of fact, I mentioned I was rostered for him before that. Yeah, you did. I had long locks. I listened to him in Farrakhan. I had to cut him off to join the FOI. I kind of sort of regretted cutting my locks.
Speaker 1:Cutting your locks off, man, because you know, I know like, as you said earlier, most Rastafarians they are into like Marcus Garvey and all that, they always talk about Ali Selassie and they always give honors to Marcus Garvey. So it's kind of like you know, kind of see the faces.
Speaker 2:Huh, I say no question, I'm still a Garveyite.
Speaker 1:Gary, Gary, so that militancy was still there. Yeah, so you kind of. So it was ingrained in you from young to lead the direction you are. I don't know I'm not trying to take away no shade but did they have any kind of militancy when you were part of the?
Speaker 2:Ansar community. Yes, we had something called the Swords of Islam, the SOI, which a lot of people don't know about, and the Swords of Islam was like the military unit for the assalam al-qaeda okay, okay.
Speaker 1:How was that? Was that required a lot of training in that too? Or was it just about to just carry swords all day? Yeah? It was strange no strange, it was training about no class. So so what made you? What made you leave the nation of of Islam to go into the Nation of Gods and Earth?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I just kept studying. They say knowledge is infinite, right, so I just kept growing and growing and growing. You know no disrespect to anything that I've been in. Everything that I've been in is a part of my growth and I had to learn that. I learned that when I became Nawabi, which is more universal than anything. So you know no disrespect to nobody in the Nation of Islam. Rastafarians, we're all Black, we're all a part of the same fight. And you know, if you can join the new Black Panther Party, we just want the militant one. We don't want everybody, we just want the militant one. We don't want everybody, we just want the militants out of everybody.
Speaker 1:I got you, that's so. So you Rastafarian Nation of Islam, nation of Gods and Earth, and then, I believe, yours will jump into more science temple, yes, okay, and how was your stint there? How was your time there?
Speaker 2:well, I didn't uh, probably too long there. Uh, just enough to learn a lot about nobody uh whom I love and respect. Uh, uh, like I said, I studied from, studied from all of them Gavi, honorable Elijah Muhammad. Noble Jew Ali. I studied from all of them, dahlia York, khalid. I learned from some of the best and try to just fight for the right thing. I understand.
Speaker 1:Information. It's just constant positive education leads to elevation. You're just constantly learning, picking up information bits and pieces there to apply to your own journey. Basically, I respect that, all right. So when you um and you mentioned that I do community work and everything else, do you only do work here in virginia or you go global like? You do globally to like do recruitment and community work.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm a local chairman for north of Virginia. I'm also a regional chairman for the Mid-Atlantic region of the MBPP, which consists of five states Pennsylvania, maryland, dc, virginia and North Carolina. That's my regional position, but I do be going out a little bit to the northeast and sometimes down in Georgia. My page is MBPP Norfolk, va chapter. I recruit a lot of people from the page as well. Uh, nbpp no for VA chapter. Uh, I recruit a lot of people uh from the page as well. Uh, link them up with their uh regional commanders and national and yeah, uh, it expands a little bit further than uh my regional uh duties. Uh, we do get people from uh uh on the international level as well.
Speaker 1:That's dope, that's dope, so listening to this is very powerful. So how do how do I know you probably can't answer get to in depth with this question, but how do you guys view today's political climate, how do the Panthers, you know, from your perspective? How do you see it playing out today for our people from your perspective?
Speaker 2:I can't speak for every Panther, but I do have a lot of political views as far as what's going on. I do know from studying that we are in the. I don't want to sound like a doomsday preacher or nothing like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I speak in mind.
Speaker 2:We are in the end times. It's the end for somebody, but it's also somebody's end is a beginning for somebody else. So we are in the end time of this oppressive system. We should be doing a lot more to come together as a people, but I see a lot of our people think that it's a joke and they're wasting time and we're running out of time.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:So it's never either come to the conclusion that it's never been the masses that has risen up. There's always been a few that has on a revolutionary standpoint. There's always been a few that have led the charge.
Speaker 1:I see that it's only a few. Many would call a few. A few are chosen to embark on this journey to represent for the people and to want to defend the people.
Speaker 1:And as we have learned through historical events, what happened to former Panthers in the past, like you know, your Fred Hamptons, mark Clark, huey Pease and many others who were taken out, you know, by Cointelpro or the powers that be. I know there was training involved. We're not going to talk about that, only especially about that on here, especially. But um, with knowing the law, because you know the law is constantly changed when it comes to like bearing arms and stuff like that do you guys stay up to date on what's taking place as far as you know bearing arms?
Speaker 2:yes, definitely. Uh, we stay up to date on those laws uh. We studied, uh you know, the gun laws uh, in various states as well, not just our state, but in various states as well, and we need to be aware of that on a national and international level as well. International level as well, definitely on a national level, dealing with this up and coming martial law that was already signed by Trump and supposed to come into effect sometime in July.
Speaker 1:I keep hearing about that With this martial law. I know it probably puts everybody on edge. At the moment Everybody's on guard, waiting because you know there's a lot of uncertainty with what's going on with this country internationally saying that we're on the brink of war whatsoever, do you? I know Panthers speak about this in Nation of Islam and many other groups spoke about this, saying that it could be an internal war within the confines of this country, a racial war.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's definitely going to be an internal war. People fail to realize that America will fall from the outside and inside. The outside will most likely be a cover for what's going on on the inside. Uh, so definitely, uh, civil war, uh, racial war, uh, state of anarchy, or whatever you want to call it. Purge, whatever you want to call it the purge. Yeah, it's definitely. Uh, it's definitely on the way.
Speaker 1:It's closer now than now all right, I don't know, man, you be making music, you rap man.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not. I'm not a rapper, not a rapper at all.
Speaker 1:I thought I'm like you're a rapper man. You got that laid back like prodigy or something from Mom D.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. It goes down.
Speaker 1:That's my Coolio going on. That's your Coolio, I got you. I hear that. But yo, it's so real man. It's an honor to interview you, man, because you know I heard like the Panthers are still in effect and I met a few. Recently at a Dead Prez show I met a brother named Shep, brother Shep from New York, I don't know if you know of him. Shout out to Brother Shep he was speaking about another Panther that's doing life in prison that they somehow falsified some charges on him. Did he say his name?
Speaker 2:Huh Did he say his name? Because we got a lot of political prisoners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of them. I forgot his name, man. Oh man, this is up in New York. I forgot man. Something happened, but he's a political prisoner in there. Like they gave him a, they tried to work a deal with him Not saying he was stitching or nothing like that but then they just somehow pulled the rug from under him. So now he's doing life I got. The name will come back to me. So it's like to hear something like that. Like so many other political prisoners from the movement that are still that are, that are currently locked up from the 60s to this day. It's kind of crazy. Like, how do you guys like bring awareness and how do you combat that Within the system?
Speaker 2:Well, you know we support the protests to free these political prisoners and stuff like that as well. We have, you know, prison ministries and stuff like that going on as well. Some people, some Panthers, have contact with certain political prisoners and stuff like that. So you know, we put the political education out there as well. On the political prisoners, you know their names, their cases Jamil Alameen, mumia Bouchamar. Yeah, even within the New Black Panther Party we got Brother Hannibal Rushdie Dean, which was you know he was him and Dr Khalil were tight and you know he's in prison in New York.
Speaker 2:So you know, we got, you know, political prisoners within the new Black Panther Party as well.
Speaker 1:Damn, that's good as well. Some bogus charges pinned on them or something, I don't know. I have a question for you, right, this may be a little off the left. Do the new Black Panthers deal with the NFAC individuals?
Speaker 2:Do the new Black Panthers deal with the NFAC individuals? I can't speak for everybody, but NFAC, we're definitely in the new Black Panther Party, definitely a part of the coalition. Okay, my chapter. We definitely try to make the link with, in fact, other Black organizations because you know, came under Dr Khalil Muhammad, you always talk about that Black United Front and you know you got to work with other Black organizations Most definitely. Other Black organizations that are willing to work with you Exactly, you know.
Speaker 1:I learned about, in fact, during the time when the whole George Floyd riots were taking place that's some of that's five years ago, and we remember seeing them on television. In fact, individuals, and they were out there, you know, making their presence known, marching, you know, arm in hand, and everything else, and people was like, oh shoot, this is a resurgence of the Black Panthers. But they just call it NFAC. So I was always curious, I was always wanting to inquire about that, to see whether or not the Panthers in fact made one, which to me would be a dope thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there are a lot of Panthers. In fact, when you break it down, they're not effing around coalition.
Speaker 1:So when you?
Speaker 2:say coalition, there are a number of different groups that make up. In fact, I had the pleasure of meeting Grandmaster J at Hasim Azinger's funeral down in Georgia, so I had the pleasure of being on stage with him as well with him as well.
Speaker 1:We had a Panther on it. Like in the beginning of this platform, we had a Panther on here.
Speaker 2:King Samir yeah, I'm familiar with.
Speaker 1:Brother King, samir, king, samir, that brother man, intense. I met him in person because that's where my brother Ron and I linked up at a Black Panther rally. They had like a hands-off Asada Shakur back in 2012.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he used to be the local chairman for.
Speaker 1:Philadelphia. Yeah, so I met him out there in New York I mean, in New York is where I'm from and I met him. I met him and Malik Malik Zul Shabazz and I was just like yo. They were like you know, samir was on like no joke, man, there's a militancy and I met a few other brothers in there because there was a sister there I knew I keep forgetting her name Like she basically grew up in my neighborhood.
Speaker 1:Her husband passed away in the hospital, wasn't a sister to Keisha, was she? I think so Short Tarscan sister, brooklyn. Oh, I thought she was from Jersey. No, no, from Brooklyn, brooklyn. And you know, like you know, rest in peace to the elder. He passed away and she was like at the Asada Shakur rally. She was saying a whole bunch of things and I'm like I know this sister, she's from my neighborhood, so he was kicking it and I was just there. I remember I seen King Samir. He made a whole perimeter around Malik Zulu when they were speaking about Asada, the whole hands off thing for Asada. I haven't heard anything else about that case. Is she still public enemy number one, according to the FBI?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't want to.
Speaker 1:Let's leave that. Let's leave Auntie alone. My bad.
Speaker 2:All I know is. The one thing I would like to say about that is maybe I shouldn't throw his name out there. Al Shock, al a rat. Yeah, definitely try to set the sister up, the man with the perm. Yeah, the man with the big head and the little body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically you got to remember a lot of these people. Like I said, not all skinfolk are kinfolk. Hands off, auntie. She did what she had, allegedly she did what she had to do. Maybe it was that guy's day and let's just leave it. You know what I'm saying, but that's what. That's what's up. Man so is. Is Malik Zulu Shabazz still a member of the new black Panther party or chairman?
Speaker 2:Uh, no, he's. Uh, he stepped down. Uh, and then what? No, he stepped down. What, yeah, he stepped down. And then we had our last chairman. After him was Babu Omowale. And then Babu Omowale stepped down, November the 1st of last year, and we've been running by the National Central Committee ever since. We didn't have a national tournament. Until what day was that Malcolm X's birthday this year? May 19th, yeah, May 19th. We just and I don't think nobody knows, but we have. Our national chairman for the new Black Panther Party is Brother Darrell Hawkins.
Speaker 1:That's what's up.
Speaker 1:man, I got to come to one of your rallies one day, man, come chill, come build man your rallies one day, man, come chill, Come, build man. Get some information, man, because I was always fascinated with the Panthers, what they represented you know what I'm saying Like the defiance of them, the stepping, you know, basically sticking into the powers that be letting them know that we won't take this laying down. You're going to hear our voices. We're going to enforce change. We're going to create ripples to let you know that if we unify, we could shift things.
Speaker 2:No, definitely, I mean definitely. I hope to meet you when I come to Jersey, because I'll be recruiting in jersey as well. Uh, new york, uh, I'm gonna, you know, I'll be going around recruiting, uh, within my region and a little bit above my region, outside of my region. That's what's up, bro setting up recruitment meetings and building up the new black panther party so do you guys also do?
Speaker 1:are you in contact with the Young Lords? Are they still in practice? Also, Are they still in effect?
Speaker 2:The Young Lords. That was under the original Black Panther Party. When I say original Black Panther Party, I'm talking about original 1966. Panther Party. I'm talking about original 1966. Up Newton and Bobby Sears and them. I haven't heard much about the Young Lords and stuff like that. But being in the new Black Panther Party, we don't really have alliances with a bunch of outside groups other than the focus is more on our people. I respect that Dealing with other groups, not to say that we can't deal with them but the focus is when we get our house in order.
Speaker 1:It's senseless to go outside. I respect that many much and definitely I understand where you're coming from. That's deep right there. Um, yeah, so many questions I want to ask. I'm just trying to like what books would you recommend for somebody who's trying to learn about the new Black Panther Party? Like, where would you guide, like our listeners and our viewers to go?
Speaker 2:uh, definitely, uh, read the book of Khalid Muhammad, which was written by Malik Zulu Sabath.
Speaker 2:There are other books as well Asada by Asada Sikora, some of our videos that we watch I'm told the study is Drop Squad, the Iceman Inheritance some of the books Basically we study the manual and within the manual we have a list of books to study within the new black Panther party as well. So definitely, everybody should be as a Panther. You should be doing your, your research. You should be doing your research to how your organization started, not only how the new black Panther party started, but as well as how the original Panther party started as well, and a lot of Panthers is in the new black Panther Party started, but as well as how the original Panther Party started as well, and a lot of Panthers that's in the new Black Panther Party don't even know the history of the new Black Panther Party. So we started in 1989 in Dallas, texas, and it was a cross between some of the original Black Panther Party members from 1966 and the Black Muslim Movement and that became the new Black Panther Party for Self-Defense in 1989 in Dallas.
Speaker 1:All right, Got you, brother. Where can the people reach you at if you don't mind dropping your social media handle? Yeah, well, the people reach you at If you don't mind dropping your social media handle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you can reach me at mbpp va chapter on Facebook. It's about to be full, so everybody who can't get on will just have to follow after that. We're about to reach that 5,000 mark. Definitely, definitely, I'm also constantly deleting people, people who come up there and laugh, say they come into class, come in to join and don't join. I delete you fast if you like to definitely.
Speaker 1:I hear that the brother's serious. So, people, if you go on there, you learn more beyond what's your word. So I appreciate you, my brother, for coming on there. Man, you know what I'm saying, no problem, no doubt.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you and we'd like to have you come back on this on this platform to discuss more. You know what I'm saying, things that we can discuss, but you know, salute to you and the brothers of the NBPP, and you know what I'm saying. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe my people. We had Ross Jelani, adam Goom, simba of the New Black Panther Party VA chapter. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I'm saying this brother, go in check him out. They out there doing the work, man NYP. Appreciate you, my brother, and we out Black Power, black Power.