Memorial Day Reflections: Healing Through Honor and Remembrance - Dr. Paul Dyer

Raw, vulnerable, and profoundly moving, our conversation with Dr. Paul Dyer peels back the layers of military service and the complex journey of healing that follows. As Memorial Day approaches, this episode offers a rare glimpse into the mind and heart of a veteran struggling with the weight of his experiences while helping others navigate similar paths.Dr. Dyer doesn't hold back as he shares his emotional journey through military service, revealing how the bonds formed between soldiers transcend all societal divisions. "We learned each other, brothers at arms," he explains, his voice breaking with emotion as he recalls comrades lost and relationships forged in the crucible of service. These connections, built under extreme circumstances, fundamentally reshape how veterans view themselves and the world around them.The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we explore the concept of "moral injury" – trauma that occurs when actions in war conflict with one's moral code. But Dr. Dyer challenges us to consider a provocative question: who creates that moral code to begin with? This philosophical exploration cuts to the core of veteran healing, examining how society expects conformity after experiences that have permanently altered a person's understanding of humanity.As an emotional scientist and therapist, Dr. Dyer offers profound insights into the healing process. He emphasizes the importance of finding the right therapeutic approach – one that acknowledges where you truly are before attempting to move forward. His methodical, scientific approach to emotional healing provides a roadmap not just for veterans, but for anyone navigating trauma.Perhaps the most powerful moment comes in Dr. Dyer's closing words: "We serve for you, we died for you, we bled for you, and we will continue to do so, whether you honor us or not. Because that's our code.

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Speaker 2: 0:12

all right, what's going on? Everybody out there is ron brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, alongside my co-host, mikey fever, and this is a new yorker's perspective. And we are talking about perspective. And we are talking about Memorial Day Reflections, healing Through Honor and Remembrance with Dr Paul Dyer, a veteran. A veteran.

Speaker 1: 0:33

Salute to all our veterans out there armed forces. Thank you for your service. You know what I'm saying For those who passed on. You'll always be remembered with honor and grace. Peace to all, peace to grace. Peace to all.

Speaker 2: 0:45

Peace to all. Peace to all. Got Dr Paul Dyer in the check-in tonight. What's going on, dr Paul Dyer, how are you feeling?

Speaker 3: 0:55

I am feeling somber, but I'm well.

Speaker 1: 1:00

Dr Dyer, I know why he's somber it's the Bronx. It's that Bronx water. Dr Dyer, I know why he's somber it's the Bronx.

Speaker 3: 1:06

It's that Bronx water. I'm not feeling somber for the Bronx because the Knicks are back in it. You know we're 2-1. We should have been we really should be 2. We should be up to one. It looks like we're one-two, but we're going to handle a lot of paces. We're going to be okay.

Speaker 1: 1:36

None of that tonight.

Speaker 3: 1:38

No, no, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. You know, here's the thing with the Knicks I'm so happy. You know, here's the thing with the Knicks, I'm so happy. You know, my daughter's birthday was just Friday.

Speaker 3: 1:52

Happy birthday Happy birthday and I remember when she was born, when the Knicks were playing the Bulls and in the playoffs. I remember that and this was 20, 34 years no, this is 30 plus years ago and when she was in the labor room and my wife at the time God rest her soul she was a Michael Jordan fan and she was just an antagonistic person. She was like because all of those people around her were Knicks fans, of course, and she was rooting. This is back when it was inside NBA with Ahmad Rashad. When she was born, she couldn't wait to get inside to deliver the baby so she can have and see inside stuff when the baby was born, so she can watch the NBA finals on that Saturday, so the Knicks could play the Bulls. That's how much of a fan we all were at that time. So I just cried on her birthday because it was a long time before the Knicks played that NBA finals or it wasn't a finals but the semifinals, so it was a very emotional time for me, so I remember crying.

Speaker 1: 4:08

God rest her soul. Man for real yeah man, peace to her, peace to her Peace.

Speaker 2: 4:14

To her my condolences and all that I wanted to talk to you about the Memorial Day Reflections healing through Honor and Remembrance. So you're a veteran, yeah, okay. And with this title, what comes to mind?

Speaker 3: 4:40

We're always real on this show. We really are always real on this show. We really are always real on this show and I don't think I've ever. I am, I'm stumbling because I'm finding back the tears. I'm finding back the tears.

Speaker 3: 5:00

I don't want to, I don't want to. We are always real on the show because it's the truth of the show. Right, it's the truth of the show. Being a soldier, I've been a soldier for 15, it's been a long time, a long time, and I've gone through a long time of service, of military service, and I chose to be of this service and I chose to be of this service and that is okay to choose to be of service and to reflect on my service, and it's okay.

Speaker 3: 6:03

But if I want to go back to just thinking about people who were chosen, who didn't have a choice, the Vietnam people they didn't have a choice and I want to say thank you. I want to say thank you to those people Because a lot of those people were my instructors when I was in the military. A lot of those people were not.

Speaker 3: 6:36

They didn't choose to be, they were chosen because it's a little double-edged sword Right because and they embedded in me a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency to live, a sense of urgency to perform. Urgency to live, a sense of urgency to perform, a sense of urgency to adapt, a sense of urgency to listen, a sense of urgency to understand.

Speaker 3: 7:28

Take your time, brother, a sense of urgency to understand what was being portrayed to you so you can live a longevity of life, so you can prosper. That was portrayed to me, with those veterans who has been there, done that, and I adhere to them, I bow to them, I bled to them, I bled for them and I took that in a sacred manner. And everything I've ever done in my service walk, I wanted to make them proud because of what they went through and I carried it with them as a token. I did. It wasn't about so much of God and country. It wasn't Because when I joined the service, it was a reflection of I want to see what the other side was, because, from my family perspective was learn what the man was teaching, learn what the man was disseminating, learn what the man meaning the white man was trying to control you, learn what the man was emanating on top of you and see how you can navigate your way through.

Speaker 3: 9:46

I had the schooling. I had the education. It's not about the education also, but when I got into the service, there was a different world about what it was and what it was not, and what it was was a lot of bloodshed. Wow, what it was was a lot of lies, was a lot of lies. What it was was a lot of falseness, but what it was also was a lot of truth in humanity. Talk about it. In humanity, talk about it. And that's my heartbreak, because the person next to me had a life, the person next to me had a story, the person next to me had its own sad story.

Speaker 3: 11:09

Yeah, it had its own struggle. Like I joined from New York, I went to Newark Station. By the time I got to South Carolina, I'm next to people from Georgia and all kinds of different places, and it didn't matter the race, color, creed and their prejudices.

Speaker 3: 11:37

We were there together and we learned each other Brothers at arms Right and we learned about each other, brothers at Arms Right, and we learned about each other Like meeting people who've never seen a Black person before, who's never seen snow before, who's never witnessed anything before, but we learned each other together and that created a bond that was inseparable to this day I'm 58. Wow, I remember them to this day. And then, moving through my travels, through the military, whatever, I love them to this day, I miss them.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Sorry brother.

Speaker 3: 12:45

I lost them, I missed them, I lost them, and people try to separate us between race and religion, and people try to separate us between the colors of our skin. And we're just humans.

Speaker 1: 13:16

My brother, my brother Dyer, I'm a love for you, love you, brother. I understand your pain and this is what you know, brother Ron and I be talking about. You, brother, I understand your pain and this is what brother Ron and I Be talking about amongst ourselves. How we were raised, unfortunately, the condition and indoctrination From what this country has done, and when I say country, individuals that push this propaganda of hate and race. We know what takes place, but it's continually perpetuated on television and I always say If you strip away all these ideals, these prejudices and bigotry, you'll see that we all have the same concerns. It's family. We want food, clothes and shelter, we want safety, but then it's just this I don't want to say illusion, because this cancer of hate, it seeps through people if you allow it to take control of you. You know, and that's what I, you know, we with you, brother, I understand man, you know what I'm saying and every other veteran out there, because I know many of them are going through it today and every day.

Speaker 3: 14:22

Yeah, you know, I'll go into it today and every day, yeah, but then we see, you know, today I saw a news article on the Minneapolis Times and it said Remember George Floyd Today, full page Remembering George Floyd. This has nothing to do with George Floyd, but remembering George Floyd today, really, what the flipping George Floyd Really. And I'm like I'm twisted, I'm kind of hurt, I'm sad, I'm frustrated, I'm angered. There's a lot of emotions through it. And then we go into people talk about moral injury.

Speaker 3: 15:49

And how do we heal through moral injury, something so traumatic that happens in your life, in my life or anyone's life, that says can you heal through a moral injury, something that affected you so much that it dismantled your moral code? That it dismantled your moral code? And I'm thinking what did we bring ourselves up on that we introduce ourselves into a human society? What could create a moral code that disrupted so much, that created such a implosion, that created a damaging moral code, that you're saying that I have moral injury and you're saying that I need to heal from, because that's what you're saying that soldiers are have a moral injury, because you're saying that a moral cold is we should not have ever killed someone, or Moral cold is we should never have killed someone, or we should never have a moral cold, that we should never have done anything. Or what about the person who grew up in a gang society who said that I should have never joined a gang to have survived it? Now I'm living on a good side and I have a moral code that I should have never lived it. So I have a moral injury.

Speaker 3: 18:13

What was my moral code prior to that? Who dictated my moral code? My environment or you? Who was it that subsidized my moralness? Was it you? Was it me? Because that's the question, because if you go to a therapist, they're like well, you have moral injury. Okay, my moral injury is broken.

Speaker 2: 19:38

Where did you grow up For real? So? But my question to you is is it? Is it? Is it you know when you're seeking for therapy or for help? I mean, would it be best to find someone that comes from the same environment and had the same experience?

Speaker 3: 20:05

I say I say personally, yes, who has lived through it Like I have lived through it and I'm on the other side. I'm suffering, I have suffered and I've seen the sunshine.

Speaker 1: 20:24

Yeah, yeah, hmm, oh man.

Speaker 3: 20:30

But it doesn't mean I don't feel the pain still today. Because if you tell me, you showing me a Star Tribune full page about George Floyd on today and saying, remember, when I'm fucking pissed off Because I'm remembering my brothers and sisters who have lost their lives, who have serviced their lives, who have serviced their lives for this country I'm not talking about whether you believe for the political or for whatever. They laid their fucking lives down for their fucking country.

Speaker 3: 21:29

No, I understand brother, I understand brother, I'm not talking about the George Floyds who says well, it was for fucking cigarettes.

Speaker 1: 21:40

The purpose.

Speaker 3: 21:42

The purpose I got you.

Speaker 1: 21:52

Oh man.

Speaker 3: 21:53

Is it all just a political raggle?

Speaker 1: 21:59

that's my problem am I?

Speaker 3: 22:01

am I just a pawn for your succession?

Speaker 1: 22:07

yes, yes, dr die, unfortunately, what you said, because I dated somebody that was in the military before and I used to see what they used to go through. Ron knows you know what I'm saying. I'm not going into detail and I do go to service their country and some go for opportunities to better their lives and what they face, as you said, through propaganda lies. Can we start seeing things from both sides of the battlefield? Because a soldier will see it from both sides Like what am I doing here, just like the other soldier? We're here to fight because higher power sent us here, but they don't see that. You know you're basically innocent, but I got to act in a certain way to be rewarded, a victor for my country. And you know when you come back to society you're being either paraded for or paraded against. You understand. So I know how, you know what you're going through, man, I'm sorry brother.

Speaker 3: 23:12

There are women who have never, there are people who have never seen combat, who have been prosecuted because they've been manipulated in the ranks, raped, abused and persecuted, and their words abused and persecuted, and their words will never be heard, because they've been squashed because of who they are, what color they are and where they are oh man, anything to say ron I mean, right now I'm just like just listening, man.

Speaker 2: 23:59

You know, this is like, uh, I'm just taking all this in, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 24:03

yeah, man it's just it's crazy, it's crazy now.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Now I want to talk about, talk about the process of healing. You know you said you know you have people you've lost and you miss them, and you know what is the process of healing through this.

Speaker 3: 24:27

You know, ron, I got you know. You know, Ron, I got you know For me, it takes For me.

Speaker 2: 25:00

It takes asking for help.

Speaker 3: 25:05

Okay, I'm a really super smart person and I, too, have to ask for help.

Speaker 1: 25:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:17

I too have to sit in the group therapy with the three, the five, the six to 10 people in the circle jerk. I have to, too, have the group therapy. I have to, too, have the group therapy. I have to, too, have the single therapy. I have to, too, have the therapy group, and I'm a therapist.

Speaker 1: 25:48

But a person who tries to therapize their own self is a fool.

Speaker 3: 25:53

That's a fool. I am not alone. I don't want to be alone into doing this by myself. I have to seek the help that I know I can seek, and the best thing I can say is to seek therapy. I too have to say that through my molestation as a small boy, I have to come to terms with. I was damaged as a boy.

Speaker 1: 26:31

I was damaged as a boy.

Speaker 3: 26:45

I have to immerse myself into immersion therapy, to say that I was damaged before, before before. So I can be healed, so I can be happy, so I can be the man that I want to be a father, so I can be a husband, so I can be a husband. So I can be the man. So I can be the scientist, so I can teach, so I can teach, so I can be a part of humanity Because I'm alive. That's the first part. I'm alive. I have to learn how to be alive.

Speaker 1: 28:06

I respect that and you hear you survive all those obstacles. You hurdle them. Look at the accomplishments you have made you understand but now it's now.

Speaker 3: 28:19

It's now it's once you survive, learn how to be alive.

Speaker 1: 28:24

That's that's that right, that's true that right there, survivor's guilt is a real thing. I um, when we first started interviewing you you know I'm saying I mentioned that to you I had survivor's guilt at the time. You know what I'm saying. Three of my friends I watched die in front of me, and that's recently my uncle. So I know how that feels sometimes. You know what I'm saying. You feel alone in that very moment, you know. But you know, as you said, to be alive, to fulfill your purpose is that's the crutch that works for me, you know, and that's it.

Speaker 3: 29:12

And I've said this before. My mother said this and I've said this before. If mother said this and I've said this before If you're going to grow to be a strong tree, drop fruit so other people can eat. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:29

Man, this is true man. Yeah, man, I wasn't expecting this. So, moving forward now healing, going to a therapist. Now, what kind of therapist could basically help with this, with, with, uh, veterans?

Speaker 3: 29:59

you know, ron, I, I I don't want to put because we all have to find the right therapist right there, and I and I, I really do. It's like finding the right personal trainer. It really really is. It's finding the right personal trainer. It is hard. It is hard because so many people think, so many people find the right doctor, try to find the right doctor, right personal therapist, right to find a personal trainer, the right personal that fits them.

Speaker 3: 30:41

There's so many people out there and I wish I could give you the questionnaire and I've come up with a couple of questions. The questions I have, the top three is who are you? That's my first question. My second question is what have you been through? My third question is what do you see my way forward? And I know those are obligatory questions. It seems like they're so random. They're not, because if you ask me those questions, I can give you the answers I would give you. If you ask me who am I, I'm the person that would seek a solution that is best for you, not for me and not for your money. If you don't have it, we'll work our way around it, because your health is more important than my money.

Speaker 1: 32:04

That's deep man Indeed.

Speaker 3: 32:08

I mean, everybody knows. I mean the person that comes to me for my therapy or whoever contacts me understands that I charge $200 an hour. But you don't have $200 an hour, but you need my help. We'll work it out. We will work it out Because you have something that we can work something out. I'm just telling you.

Speaker 2: 32:40

Okay, so now, as an emotional scientist, you offer your services so to a combat veteran. What would that session be like?

Speaker 3: 32:59

What would that session be like? The session is we call we're going to dig, we're going to dig, we're going to dig, and what I mean is we're going to dig the foxhole. If you're a veteran, you kind of know what that means. We're going to have to dig that six by six, and that six by six is either going to be your burial or it's going to be your lively. We're going to dig because we're going to find out where you are, because sometimes you may not know where you are and I need to find out where you are, and I need to find out where you are with you, because I don't know where you are.

Speaker 3: 33:51

And you don't know where you are. So how can we find out how to heal you if you don't even know where you are? So we both need to find out where this egg hunt is. You know what I mean. So that's where we need to begin. That's where it begins Finding out where you are. In therapeutic terms, it's immersion therapy. That's immersion therapy. We need to find out what is what, Because right now we know what has been caused. We know the know what has been caused. We know the causation has been a divorce, troubled, messed up family. We know what has been caused, but we don't know where you are.

Speaker 2: 34:58

You know, I never really thought about that Right Like. So you know, I always that's. I don't I don't really talk to many people about my personal business, like that Right, but like, um, I lost a few people like back to back to back to back, growing up, right, right and and like really close and um, you know, I had to just live through it. I had to just like just go through life and just keep going. You know, I just and just having that experience, I just can't imagine going, you know, in the army or whatever army rangers and you just watch your best friend just like be like back to back to back and then still have to go out and live life.

Speaker 1: 35:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:50

Like yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:53

Yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah, what type of never thought about that.

Speaker 3: 35:56

Yeah, what type of social code does that exist Like? What type of checkmark does that present as Like? What type of interview does that create? Right, Right. Let's go to Bloomingdale's, right, ron. I am a department manager at Bloomingdale's and you come to me for a job. Let's do that job. Let's do that job. Go ahead, ron. Sit in front of me at Bloomingdale's and let's do that Right. So tell me about yourself.

Speaker 3: 36:38

Yeah, I mean you are a you know. It seems like you're dedicated because you went to the military. Check what else. What else can you tell me about yourself?

Speaker 1: 36:55

Mm-hmm, yeah, it's. What else can you tell me about yourself?

Speaker 2: 36:57

Yeah, it's like you, sure you want to know.

Speaker 3: 37:02

Right, like what else.

Speaker 1: 37:05

You got a code switch and somehow you know subdue what you're feeling.

Speaker 3: 37:09

What's the code switch?

Speaker 1: 37:15

What I mean is that you can't express like this is who I am. What got to? I got to be professional with you and be courteous and smile for you, so I can't tell you what I'm really feeling like. You know, and I got to endure your little policies in here, your little I always feel like that.

Speaker 3: 37:28

So what about this statement Like tell me the most difficult time you had to deal with with a with a team member, that you had to deal with a team member that you had to overcome? Go ahead, Ron.

Speaker 1: 37:45

Nope.

Speaker 3: 37:48

Well, it sounds like you're invasive, so I don't think you belong without team. You're like you really fucking wanna. What the fuck team You're like. You really fucking want to. What the fuck dude? You're like wow, do you want to hear my story?

Speaker 1: 38:03

Mm-mm, I'm telling you. A bunch of willies, a bunch of little soft people, as you mentioned, who hasn't experienced nothing.

Speaker 2: 38:13

Right, that's what he was saying earlier. Yeah, I can't stand those punks bro, I'm sorry. You know what, mike, I felt like that, but you got to kind of also understand them too, though.

Speaker 1: 38:25

I understand they come from the other side of the fence.

Speaker 2: 38:27

They come from a Cucciney life Right, so it's like they are not what you call it.

Speaker 1: 38:36

They don't come from a diverse background, they didn't go through a lot and so now you know, and that's why I be saying you're protected within these four walls here because you got an HR. But in my environment, from where we're from, we don't have an HR. Get your head popped off here early. Let's stop playing.

Speaker 3: 38:56

But when we talk about a moral, think about it. When we talk about moral injury, who creates the moral code?

Speaker 2: 39:11

Damn. Yeah, you said that. Who creates the moral code, though? Corporate America? Maybe?

Speaker 3: 39:21

The social environment creates a moral code.

Speaker 1: 39:25

Mm-hmm Unwritten.

Speaker 3: 39:31

So as we grow up, we have a mental code, that's we have a moral society. Thou shalt not steal that or this right. So I go into an environment of a civic society, I join something, I go do things that is against the moral code, but it's for the right that it's for the people who created the moral code.

Speaker 2: 40:20

That's crazy. That's a mind fuck right there tomorrow cold. That's a mindfuck right there, whoa, whoa, understood.

Speaker 3: 40:35

So it creates a distress inside my personal self that I'm supposed to heal, so I can be belonging back into a civic society, so I can be a social conformant.

Speaker 1: 40:54

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 40:57

Damn.

Speaker 1: 40:59

Yep.

Speaker 2: 41:02

You can apply the same thought with coming from the ghetto.

Speaker 3: 41:06

Yeah, correct which, which is comes from it, was it's, it's zemology. Zemology is a study of social harm. Zemology.

Speaker 2: 41:21

Check that out.

Speaker 3: 41:23

Z-mology, z-e-m-i-l-g-l-o-y, right Z-mology, and that's social harms. So that's where people look at chromology from a person that's doing harm to a society. What did you come up with, ron?

Speaker 2: 41:50

It's basically exactly what you said. So zymology is a field of study that focuses on the analysts of social harms, moving beyond the traditional focus of crime and criminal justice. It examines how various activities, processes and circumstances can cause harm the traditional focus of crime and criminal justice. It examines how various activities, processes and circumstances can cause harm, including those that are not legally defined as crimes.

Speaker 3: 42:22

So if a person's doing things right because they grew up in a certain environment that creates a social injury, they are implemented in zomology, which creates social harm. They actually have studied them. That pushes them off into zomology, which puts them into a whole different category, which says that's them, not us.

Speaker 2: 42:57

Oh wait a minute, man. I didn't know this was coming, man.

Speaker 1: 43:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:01

Damn Yo. People got to see this episode, crazy. Hold on one second. Go ahead, mike.

Speaker 1: 43:08

Go ahead, kick it no, it's just everything that you said. I look, oh, it's beautiful man. Certain moral ethics people don't have where we come from, and even still, although we we may acquire these certain social norms and you, you know ideals and codes. We still know how to behave. That's what I was saying with code switching. We know how to go into different environments and we still trying to be respectful to your, to how you do things when in Rome. Do things in Rome Because I know within my world you would have died. But because we're here with you, I got to be cool with you, but you would have died. I'm telling you that's grounds for death. That's grounds for death. You never see, when you're in the office, somebody does something like, yeah, you would have died for that.

Speaker 3: 43:57

But you're like you know, or get slapped, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 44:07

That's why, when you're talking to a therapist, is the therapist trying to get you to into a social norm? Of what norm? That's why I'm asking who's the best therapist? Yeah, because even like, even like, when you, when you talk about um, uh, like, let's say um, let's say, uh, family therapy or whatever, right, right, and you're going there for, like, marriage or you know something like that, and you know the woman is imparting her perspective of society on the wife, and then the wife is coming back like, you know, kind of brainwashed and allwashed. You know what I'm saying. So, like, what you're saying right now is so key, it's so key. So my thing is like, does therapy or therapists do they need like some kind of new renaissance, a change?

Speaker 3: 45:04

no, it's just understand what therapists and what Do they need? Some kind of new Renaissance and a change? No, just understand what therapists and what their directives are, because if you're talking To a Polygamist therapist, it's a whole different outcome. Right, yeah, I mean I'm just throwing it out there, right, right, I mean I'm just throwing it out there, right, right.

Speaker 2: 45:30

So, basically, whatever fits your situation, that's the therapist you want to. You want to Hire, so to speak, yep.

Speaker 3: 45:39

So to speak. But if you're trying to heal, when we're talking about healing, where do you want to heal and how far do you want to heal and what direction do you want to heal to? But if we want to heal to the greater light and the ultimate light to the east, understand what therapist you're attracting to.

Speaker 2: 46:09

Okay, okay, so now as far as what you offer, can you explain that?

Speaker 3: 46:21

Yes, I can explain, because I'm going to dig into who you are and what you think you are and where you think you think you belong. And that's difficult for people, because people think they belong to something that was subjected to.

Speaker 1: 46:52

Deep right there. Oh my God, Yo, it took me in my thirties. I discovered it. I already knew from my young age. But to act it out hit my thirties, Wow, 30s. I discovered it.

Speaker 2: 47:07

I already knew from my young age but to act it out, hit me in my 30s. Wow, I think that's why you were saying remember we were talking about early on doing the podcast. I was talking about emotional science, emotional and social and emotional intelligence, and you were like I wasn't getting it at the time. And you were like I wasn't getting it at the time, but you were like social, emotional intelligence, the way it's taught, they're teaching you how to basically conform. Basically, that's what you were saying Exactly. I'm just getting that today. Yeah, everything he's saying is so true, like, when you you you gotta like. Like. If you listen to everything he's saying from the beginning to now, it's all like coming together.

Speaker 1: 47:52

it is so it's okay to react if, prime example and I hate to say this it's not taking away ron's. Ron is a witness to this. I was in a situation where there was a explosion in the house, right ron, I was there and when he came over he's like I'm surprised you're not being chaotic. He was like yo, why you so calm? For I'm like I can't. I can't function that way. That's how people want me to react. I gotta step out to understand what's going on.

Speaker 2: 48:17

Like you know, you know why I said that? Because, like, when you said there was an explosion, right, I'm drive down. Yeah, I'm like oh shit, an explosion. No, this bro dude's place exploded. Like gotta get down there, right.

Speaker 1: 48:33

And I get to you and you're like yeah, just chilling, like yeah because, because I wasn't there for the full thing, but still it's just I had to like I was always. You know what I'm saying. When growing up, I seen when things get frantic around me and how people react instead of like the solution is, the solution can be right there, but they just so busy. I'm like, if you just pull back because to me I look at the situation that wants you to react that way, I'm like I have to respond to it. I can't react. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 49:07

Right, right right, right, right. So you were explaining your practice. You said you're going to dig deep, right, what else? What else? Can you give us a little more?

Speaker 3: 49:21

Because I'm a scientist. What else Can you give us a little more? Because I'm a scientist, you know I've been through the blood, I've been through the tears. I'm not an emotional reactional. I want to dig through. Your neurotransmitters are functional and reactionary because of your environmental functionary. I want to understand and then I want to explain the science to you. I don't want to convey my functions to you, I want to explain the science to you, what is relaying from you. That's why I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm not a magician. I am not a soothsayer. I am a magician. I am not a soothsayer, I am a scientist. I explain the science, all the sciences. Whether it's you praying upon a rock, the smells, the scents, the, whatever it is that you come across, I can explain the science of why it infers inside you and the chemicals and not the philosophy. I can explain the philosophy in the science, but I can explain the science.

Speaker 2: 51:06

Which is, I would say, most important. So, before we go, is there anything that you want to say? Before we close, Memorial Day Reflections Healing Through Honor and Remembrance, oh.

Speaker 3: 51:24

We serve for you, we died for you, we bled for you and we will continue to do so, whether you honor us or not. Damn that's it. Because that's our code.

Speaker 2: 51:51

Yo, on that note, peace, salute to the soldiers, peace, salute, peace.