Nation of Islam - Melchizedek Shabazz Allah High Priest

Few voices remain who can speak with authority about the real history of the Nation of Islam from inside its most transformative decades. Melchizedek Shabazz Allah is one such voice—a living witness to Malcolm X's work, Elijah Muhammad's teachings, and the subsequent changes that altered the organization's trajectory.This raw, unfiltered conversation takes us from Shabazz Allah's early life moving through New York neighborhoods to his prison conversion under Walter 5X, where Malcolm X himself would visit repeatedly to support teaching efforts behind bars. Shabazz Allah describes the moment he first heard "the black man is God and the white man is the devil" in a prison yard, words that would reshape his entire worldview and set him on a lifelong path.The most powerful revelations come when Shabazz Allah details Malcolm X's extraordinary contributions—establishing 46 temples and 46 universities across America, traveling alone to build these institutions, and creating the Muhammad Speaks newspaper as a gift to Elijah Muhammad. According to Shabazz Allah, jealousy and politics led to the deliberate minimization of Malcolm's achievements, a pattern he sees continuing today.Equally fascinating is Shabazz Allah's account of the economic dismantling that occurred under Wallace Muhammad's leadership. As someone who operated successful businesses in New York while promoting Nation of Islam teachings, Shabazz Allah provides unique insights into how the destruction of the Nation's newspaper plant, banking system, and economic infrastructure undermined its independence and effectiveness.At 89 years old with remarkable vitality—"no cane, no medication, no medical problems"—Shabazz Allah embodies his own teachings about proper living and unwavering commitment to principles. His firsthand accounts of Kareem Muhammad, Eric Muhammad, and interactions with Lou

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Speaker 2: 0:11

all right, what's?

Speaker 1: 0:12

going on. What's going on? All right, what's going on? Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming out. This is ron brown, lmt, and this is new yorkers perspective or ny Talk Show. I forgot my whole spiel, my whole thing. You know, I always say the people's fitness professional. Y'all already know who I am the people's fitness professional.

Speaker 1: 0:36

I got the God, mel Chesedek, shabazz Allah, in the building with us this evening at the God hour, on the God day. Right, wisdom power borns, god, right. So we're on a God day, so we're going to build with the God. We're going to talk about the God's history, a brief history, and then we're going to go also into talking about Malcolm X, kareem Muhammad and also Eric Muhammad. So let's get, let's get rock and roll. Malcolm X, kareem Muhammad and also Eric Muhammad. So let's get rock and roll. Peace, almighty Peace, almighty Prez. Peace, rodney. Peace to everybody in the chat, peace to everybody watching I really appreciate y'all, rasan Allah. Peace to Allah's 5%. Peace to the gods. Peace to the earth. Peace to the nation of the nation of Islam. Peace to the Moors. Shalom to the earth. Peace to the nation of Islam. Peace to the Moors. Shalom to the Hebrew Israelites and everybody, so forth and so on. Hotep and all of that, let's go into it. Peace almighty. Shabazz Melchizedek, shabazz Allah, how you be.

Speaker 2: 1:38

I'm fine, brother, everything is good. You want me to introduce myself to your audience.

Speaker 1: 1:44

Yes, well, you're already worldwide. So you know, let's, let's go through it.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Let's go through it how you feel. Well, I'd be Mel Chesedek, supreme Shabazz Allah. Ok, the universal high priest of the nation of Islam on Earth and in the universe. Priest of the nation of Islam on earth and in the universe. I'm a devout follower of my spiritual father, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Okay, word for word, right and exact. I don't add to it, I don't take away, just like he said Devout follower of the most teaching of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. And I'm not interested in following no other teachings but his teachings, because he was taught face-to-face by Almighty God Allah, who came in the person of Master WD Farad Muhammad. And when you're taught face-to-face by Almighty God Allah, who came in the person of Master WD Farad Muhammad, you don't need no teachings from nobody else. Just stay focused on what you receive from him and what he shared with him, and you will be successful in all your undertakings.

Speaker 1: 2:50

That's peace, God. So let's start from the beginning. Let's start from where were you born?

Speaker 2: 2:56

South Carolina, columbia, south Carolina.

Speaker 1: 2:58

South Carolina. Okay, so from South Carolina. What was your upbringing like in South Carolina?

Speaker 2: 3:07

Well, south Carolina didn't stay that long because my mother and then we came to New York. We first came to New York.

Speaker 2: 3:14

we lived up on 135th Street and 7th Avenue, then we moved down to 116th Street and then Fifth, Avenue and then from there we moved to the Bronx I mean, yeah, to the Bronx, up on Washington Avenue and Third Avenue. And then from the Bronx we came to Brooklyn and was in the Kingsborough Projects up on Ralph Avenue and Pacific Street and from there I moved over to Patchen Amule, patchen Amule and Madison and Patchen and from there I got married and everything and I went and moved. From there I went to Fort Greene, fort Greene projects. So that was a lot of moving. Now, when you landed, moved from there I went to Fort Greene.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Fort Greene Projects. Okay, so that was a lot of moving. Now, when you landed and you were, I would say you stayed right Fort Greene Projects. How long were you in Fort Greene Projects?

Speaker 2: 4:17

Oh, I stayed in Fort Greene Projects up until I got arrested while I was down there because I was in a drug game. So you know, you always had those. The agents then was Shelly D and Vivian Ross. They were undercover agents, okay, and they were going around setting up drug pushes. They were spending big money, like you know, to wean you in, like they've got it going on, and you know what I'm saying. You're out there making the money so you don't screen test everybody, like you should. Well, anyway, I got busted.

Speaker 2: 4:46

And as I got busted then I went to Raymond Street for a while, for about six, seven, eight months. Then from there I got shipped to Sing Sing, which was the reception center, and then from Sing Sing I got shipped to Green Haven State Prison, okay, and that's when I met a touch base with a brother, walter, walter 5X, who is Bilal Shabazz Allah Mahmood Ramza. He was a Muslim already, under the teachings of the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and he was in the prison yard. Walter 5X, bilal Shabazz Allah Mahmood Ramza is the same yard. Walter 5X, shabazz Al-Awa Mukmu Ramza is the same individual. Now he's in the prison yard with a table set up teaching the black man is God and the white man is the devil. Okay, he was. I mean, he was getting busy.

Speaker 1: 5:42

And this is insane.

Speaker 2: 5:43

This is the reason why I was passing by his table with me and some other brothers, and I heard him say that the black man is God and the white man is the devil. And you see, all them correctional officers up there. They're up there to destroy us and so forth, but they're not going to be able to do nothing to us as long as we bear witness that Almighty god, allah, came to purchase a master, wd farad muhammad, and his last and greatest messenger at that time it was mr muhammad and what year was that?

Speaker 2: 6:14

yeah, and so I passed by. I said to the other brothers did you hear what he said? And they said yeah. I said well, but what he's saying he must not ever plan to get out of here. So he must have heard me. So we passed by his table. So he looked at me and said if you don't come to this table, you ain't getting out of here, ok, and so I just kept on walking, and so that's how. That's how it started.

Speaker 2: 6:40

Then, about a day or so later, he met me in the prison yard. You know he came me in the prison yard. He came up. He said pardon me, can I speak to you for a minute? I said sure. He said what's your name?

Speaker 2: 6:50

I said well, they call me Scorpio, they call me Frenchie. He said what's the Scorpio and Frenchie? I said well, frenchie is for connections and Scorpio is when I've got to take care of some serious business, when somebody's in the way and they got to be removed, okay. So he said well, listen, have you, have you heard of malcolm x? I says no, have you ever heard of, uh, mr muhammad? No, I said. He said well, anyway, tomorrow I've got some. Do you read? I said yes, I'll read anything in here. I done told this story, brother many a times, a lot of channels in here, but but I'll be anything to keep my mind sane in here. So anyway, the next day or so he came with a stack of newspaper articles, the Pittsburgh Courier articles, articles is the original teachings. Because these teachings, the message, had no publication but was available, so he was writing in the Pittsburgh Courier, the Howard Tribune and the Amsterdam News. Okay, and now for those articles. Those articles have been compiled into a book the Pittsburgh Courier, original articles by the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, and I suggest that everybody out there, black man, woman or child, is by a brother, damesh Muhammad. He did an excellent job. I got to give him credit and respect for that.

Speaker 2: 8:22

Get the book. Don't be spooky and weak and stupid, letting people tell you don't get this, don't get that, don't read this, don't read that. You get what you need for yourself. You understand what I'm trying to say. I'm telling you get the book. It's right and exact, because myself and other brothers of the circle we have the original copies and we went through the book and it's right and exact, direct from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad.

Speaker 2: 8:52

And another thing we're not going to let it call you brothers and sisters out there, whether you're in the nation, out the nation or just regular black people. Never let nobody try to influence you what to do. You do what's best for you, because a lot of hypocrisy is out there, all these so-called leaders and ministers and so forth. They're running their mouth but they're not giving it to you straight. That's the reason why everything is standing still unsuccessful. And when you know what to do it and don't let nobody interfere, don't be no robot. Don't be a robot, don't be a parrot, don't be henpecked and programmed. Be a black man, be a black woman and think for yourself and do what's best for yourself.

Speaker 1: 9:41

Yes sir, yes sir. So now, Sing, Sing, you get the knowledge. What year was that? How old were you?

Speaker 2: 9:50

at that time I was like 24 24 right 24 right, okay, so now.

Speaker 1: 9:59

So now, after 24, right, how much more time did you have? And and then, when did you get out?

Speaker 2: 10:07

Oh well, what happened? I had more time to do okay, but I got paroled. I got paroled okay, it was like seven and a half because my charge was so heavy, but by me taking the weight for organized crime, I had a big-time lawyer, the weight for organized crime they had a big time, big time. I had a big time lawyer, the, the, the, the, the organized the brothers, the organized crime of uh uh uh, provide my lawyer and everything, because I, I I got busted a lot of weight.

Speaker 2: 10:35

Okay, at that time with ada I think ada bond was the top lawyer in new york state, top top lawyer well, anyway, by me taking the weight, couldn't they say, well, scopio, what's up, what's up? I said, well, don't worry, I got this, it's the box, it stops here. They said okay, so they took care of business. Top shelf lawyer. I lived good in there. I had always had money and everything and um, so I I did like three years, three and a half years there and did the best I did out here on, on, on parole. So they got my time all the way cut down to like seven and a half years there and did the rest I did out here on the parole. So they got my time all the way cut down to like seven and a half years and I did three, a little over three, and when I came out I was doing the rest on parole. So when I came out I had to go.

Speaker 2: 11:17

When I came out I went right to the temple but I went down to my family because I had a wife and four children and four green. So my family had a wife and four children in Fort Greene. So I went there, but I couldn't stay there because they had that thing where if you're arrested you can't stay. If you want to stay, then your family have to leave. So I told my wife you stay here with the children.

Speaker 2: 11:36

Okay, don't worry about me, I'm going in the street, but you're not going to want for nothing. My children don't want for nothing. They are in heaven, okay, but I know how to get money and I always encourage them and explain to them that you're in this world to supply your world, to supply yourself with the best of everything life has to offer, and that is the best of food, the best of clothing, the best of shelter, the best of transportation and take a vacation. And you can do that with no problem, as long as you keep your money in your pocket and don't be giving it to those begging begging 10 percent blood suckers who's always begging but can never show you nothing or what they're doing with your money.

Speaker 1: 12:24

Indeed, indeed, you nothing of what they're doing with your money. Indeed, indeed, god. So now you get out of, now you're out of prison on parole, you go straight to the temple. Who did you meet at the temple? Who? How did that come about?

Speaker 2: 12:37

okay. When I got and I went to the temple, we were without the walter five. Because what's the five? X and I? They shipped us out. They shipped us out for Walter V Because Walter V, x and I they shipped us out. They shipped us out with no job. All we had was a state suit and $20. Because we large? Because Walter converted over three quarters of the inmates in Green Haven State Prison and most of the brothers that was in the Attica Riot. A lot of them came out of Green Haven State Prison with the teachings of Muhammad that under Walter. Walter was bad Walter.

Speaker 2: 13:10

You ain't got nobody in the nation that performed the work inside prison like Walter. A lot of people out here they run their mouth. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to like. They're this and they're that. You're nothing. If you don't have that experience of being in the belly of the beast in prison, in the prison yard, teaching black man is God and white man is the devil and there's no God but Allah who can't oppress the master of Muhammad and his last messenger, the most humble of Muhammad. If you don't have that experience, what you need to do is keep your mouth shut and stop acting like you're all this when you ain't nothing, because all great leaders go to prison. You can't be in front of the people with positive knowledge, with understanding, and not be tested with going to prison. So if you haven't been to prison, that means you probably got weak, sold out, went along to get along.

Speaker 2: 14:05

You see, and don't think, people don't see these things, even they don't bring it to your attention, but just stay in your place, okay, if you have, if you have wrote, became a registered Muslim and you bear witness that Almighty God Allah came to person of master WD Farah Muhammad and his last and greatest messenger, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, and you gave your word that your word is born and born is life, and you give your life for your word shall fail. So if you made that commitment, then you should stay focused on the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Okay, word for word, right, right and exact. Don't add to it, don't take away, just like he said it. Okay. And then you will be more successful on the civilized, intelligent level, instead of being on the level of a jackass who don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 15:05

Indeed God. So now you you're in the temple You're building, you become FOI right.

Speaker 2: 15:14

Yes.

Speaker 1: 15:15

Okay.

Speaker 2: 15:18

That's what I'm talking about. Clarence 13X was there. Clarence 13X, myself, other brothers and Mr Francom was there. We're all under Malcolm X. Malcolm X was the man. Malcolm was the God with the teachings. When you hear me speak of Malcolm, I'm speaking of Malcolm under the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. He was God of America with the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Okay, we were under him.

Speaker 1: 15:45

Okay, so now let's go into the Malcolm X. So you said you studied under Malcolm X.

Speaker 2: 15:53

Yes, now, malcolm X was the one that was bringing the Pittsburgh Courier articles into Green Haven State Prison, to Walter 5X. See, nobody was close to Malcolm like Walter 5X. You hear a lot of people oh, I was dead, no, no, no, malcolm X was the one and Walter 5X was the one that established the teachings being taught inside the prison system. Ok, because Malcolm used to visit Walter, because Walter was so hot, you know, because he was powerful, I mean. And so to keep it, because they wanted to get next to him, but to keep him alive, malcolm came there out of his busy schedule, sometimes two or three times a week. Live, malcolm came there out of his busy schedule, sometimes two or three times a week, and spent a few hours with him to keep his spirit up and supply him with whatever he needed to share with us. Who was at the table? You understand what I'm saying? Right, malcolm X, I'm your teacher at the most. Unbelievable. You ain't got nobody out there yesterday or today that's qualified to shine Malcolm's shoes Nobody. Okay, I don't care how big their mouth is, they don't have that experience of Malcolm coming inside prison supplying Walter 5X, balazsha Bazaar, law or Mukbu Ram the same person with everything he needed to pass on and teach the inmates, to teach us the brothers who were in prison. Okay, so we got out. We had to go to the temple to meet Malcolm.

Speaker 2: 17:23

Malcolm sent the word out through Captain Joseph that he wanted to meet with the brothers who were in prison, with Brother Walter 5X, balakshabar Zala Mokmur Ramza. So we all came down to the FOI class on Monday. After it was over, the brothers who was in prison went in the back. Captain Joseph said we go into the salam restaurant and we go to the back. In the back they had tables set up with space and so forth for us to sit the chair, for us to sit down and uh and and be introduced to malcolm.

Speaker 2: 18:02

Okay, and so when malcolm came in, man, malcolm came in like a giant. A giant, I mean, his presence alone was powerful. His presence alone was powerful. So he came and he said Salaam Alaikum. We said Salaam Alaikum. So for all of us that was there and he said well, I just had to meet y'all Because the work that y'all did there was remarkable, remarkable. And when I took the report back to our dear Holy Apostle the messenger, he was so overjoyed. All he did was hold his head up high and said those are true believers. True believers, okay. And so he told Captain Joseph, whatever is needed, whatever they want, whatever, whatever they ask or request, you make sure they have it. And anytime any of you brothers want to see me, feel free to let Captain know, because you know my busy schedule and he'll make arrangements for you to see me, because Malcolm was busy, brother.

Speaker 2: 19:09

You see a lot of people. They run their mouth on YouTube but they never give Malcolm the credit that Malcolm earned. Malcolm was the one that set up 46 temples. Malcolm Malcolm was the one that set up 46 universities. Malcolm Malcolm was the one that put together the Muhammad Speaks newspaper and gave it to the messenger as a gift, and the ambi-angelic hypocrite wouldn't even put his name in. The hypocrite wouldn't even put his name in the paper, okay, wouldn't even put his name in.

Speaker 2: 19:40

The actual fact, when you hear me talking, I'm giving you actual facts. I'm talking to FBI, everybody watching when I'm talking FBI, cia, homeland Security, garden, earth, nation of Islam, moritz World you name everything, everything, the national community, everything that's out there. They watch and keep up with what I'm saying. So I don't come out like that, to lie. I give it to you straight. I don't care if you accept it or not, I don't care if you believe it or not. As long as I put it out there, I'm happy with that. You know what I'm saying. So anyway, not put it out there, I'm happy with that. You know what I'm saying. So, anyway, and so the paper out there now, the Final Call newspaper, is not new. The Final Call newspaper was put together by Master WD Farad Muhammad and the most humble Elijah Muhammad August 11, 1934. That's when that paper was established. You know what I'm trying to say. But the messenger, after the Savior left and Malcolm put together the Muhammad speech newspaper. The messenger accepted that as the paper for the nation of Islam.

Speaker 1: 20:51

So you said a lot there. So Malcolm X is responsible for opening up 43 temples, you said 46.

Speaker 2: 21:00

46 temples and 46 universities, and put together the Muhammad Speaks newspaper and gave it to the messenger as a gift. And the envy. Jealous hypocrites were so envious and jealous they wouldn't even put his name in the paper. Actual fact.

Speaker 1: 21:58

That's interesting. So now, how did he go about making this happen, to open up so many temples and universities? Now, when you say universities, universities meaning educational, like schools.

Speaker 2: 22:11

Yeah, educational centers. Every temple had an educational center. Well, see, malcolm was traveling all over. Malcolm was traveling all over the country by himself. Listen to this. Show you how fearless he was. Malcolm was traveling all over the country by himself. Okay, sitting at these temples? See all these big men out there didn't do that, malcolm did that. You understand what I'm trying to say. He was all over the country.

Speaker 2: 22:38

Wherever there was black awareness, where he felt a temple should be there, malcolm set it up. He did that. Everybody knows that. But see out of envy, jealousy and that hypocritical mentality, they give malcolm their credit. They get out there and run there like I'm giving them, like, like the newly. He run his mouth about malcolm. What the hell? He wasn't even born. What the hell you know about malcolm wesley? They always run their mouth about malcolm. They weren't even born. They don't know malcolm, but it wasn't there. They never see him. They weren't in this company, there wasn't an foi on the mountain, and that's why I said on one of my past interviews that they should keep their mouth shut and stop making a fool out of themselves and stop being a robot, henpecked, programmed puppet and a parrot. Okay, Indeed.

Speaker 1: 23:27

Okay. So now, what was his method? Okay, because I was watching a video the other day with Farrakhan and it was said that Farrakhan was quietly going from state to state setting up, I think, study groups. He was setting them up.

Speaker 2: 23:46

Farrakhan started that after Farrakhan was torn down, torn down, destroyed. Wallace, wallace D Muhammad, wallace Muhammad, I call him Wallace Yacoub. Wallace Yacoub, you know who I feel? Oh, shoot, what's the other brother, the secretary at the time? Oh, anyway, wallace and Rasul.

Speaker 2: 24:11

Wallace and Rasul dragged Minister Franco out of New York. Minister Franco was afraid to leave New York. They dragged him out of New York, took him to Chicago, put him over a storefront, he destroyed him, brought him all the way down to the ground, okay, and changed his name to Abdul Halim. You know how do we serve it? I'll do, I'll do a lean and uh, put him on the road, took off his foi uniform, destroyed the lessons to put him in a robe. Now, no disrespect to ferric, I don't. I call them road nightgowns, that's my understanding about that. And he had with him an Arab headpiece.

Speaker 2: 24:55

He was teaching Orthodox Sunni Islam as Wallace's representative for two and a half to three years Now. As Wallace was destroying the economical program, furincon was right there with him because he was his natural representative. And the two major points that Wallace focused on was the newspaper plant, because the newspaper plant was printing all the Muhammad speech and all the publications of the nation the newspaper plant was doing all that and the bank, see the bank. That's what Wallace was focused to destroy that. You know what I'm saying. And he did.

Speaker 1: 25:38

Now, when you say he focused to destroy it, what do you mean, Like? How did he destroy it and why do you believe that he was focused to destroy it? Maybe he thought it was.

Speaker 2: 25:50

Because of the fact he had opened up the books to the government or something. And you know, they found reasons where he was facing prison and he either sold it or turned it over to them. But I think he sold it to either clear up whatever money I guess that the government might have, but he was the one that destroyed the economical program. And Minister Fernkamp was right there with him, because Fernkamp was his national representative. So he was right there, see, because Fernkamp did not understand a devil, a snake, a devil snake, okay. And the reason why he didn't understand that is because he didn't stay focused on lost-bound Muslim. Lesson number one, question and answer number 10. Okay, everybody know the lesson out there. So I ain't got to go through that. But to make a long story short, he stayed with him from two and a half to three years, and then that's when he was I went that way, let you know. Then he was moving around with these study groups, you know, moving around teaching these little study groups and everything, until I think about 1981. I think that's when they had the first Savior's Day, okay. But he didn't bring back no nation. The nation ain't never fell. That's a lie. You had the teachers of the Honorable Latin Mama going on all over the country. Savior's Day never stopped because we, right here in New York, was given Savior's Day every year. The economical program was destroyed but the nation of Islam never fell, so there was nothing to bring back because they never fell in the first place. You understand what I'm trying to say. And then after that, he started moving the study groups he had going on and then, I think 1981, he started teaching, trying to bring the nation back. But he couldn't bring the nation back because the nation never fell, it was still. Followers of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad is all over the country, just because they're not out front like Fernecon. The only reason why Fernecon was out front was because the messenger made him a national spokesman. But other than that, fernecon wasn't known. Fernkamp was in Boston. He didn't know, he didn't produce nothing in Boston. I mean, I'm not talking about, we're just dealing with actual facts. He didn't do nothing in Boston, okay, and he didn't get popular until he came to New York, you see. And he came to New York after Malcolm's assassination, but when he came to New York it wasn't no work for him to do, because the five of us myself and the five of us had all the teachers in the street, all the lessons all over the street.

Speaker 2: 28:36

I was supplying lessons to everybody. I had two locations, which everybody knows, on Utica Avenue, islam and Jewry Store with all the whole program of the Nation of Islam. Then the other ones on 116th Street, up the street from the temple. So everybody came through there. They got the whole package. Would you just show me the book the Supreme Wisdom, that same book. I was Xeroxing it. It wasn't in book form, it was in Xerox, but it was the whole package that everybody that came by me got those lessons. Okay, it could be because Wallace had them. Put all the so-called believers, the so-called ones that talk about it's only for registered Muslims, only when Wallace came around, those so-called registered Muslims put their lessons in the garbage, can put the FOI uniforms in the garbage. Can you know what?

Speaker 2: 29:24

I'm saying and bow down on their hands and knees like a beggar, a fool, a tool, a slave, believing in a mystery God that do not exist. That's the actual fact. And then Wallace had agreement with the Sunnis and Orthodox to try to bring the nation of Islam under the heading of Orthodox and Sunni Islam. They had promised him big money you know what I'm saying but being so bad at getting no money, then Wallace resigned, he resigned, and that's when he resigned, and that's when Franco. But being so bad at getting no money, then Wallace resigned, okay, he resigned, okay, and that's when he resigned. And that's when Frank Carr stepped off and tried to do what he did, do what he do. You know what I'm saying. And I think that agreement might still be going on because after Wallace, they still try to get into this orthodox, go into that Sunni orthodox direction. You know what I'm trying to say orthodox, going to that sunni orthodox direction. You understand I'm trying to say, but it never worked because there's no such thing as orthodox sunni islam. That's christianity. They are christian. You understand I'm trying to say. You say why? You say they christian? Because they believe in a mystery, god. You understand, in any religion or organization that believe in a mystery. God, you follow me. That's Christianity, okay, and it comes from Yaakov's creation mystery.

Speaker 2: 30:38

God teaching it's just plain and simple. But when you have a, you see you have two minds out here. You got God minor. God minor lack understanding because they can't come to the level of reality. God major has understanding and God major come to the level of reality. God made you have understanding and God made you deal with the reality. That's why, when God made you talking, god might not get upset because they're spooky. They're spooky and they don't deal with the reality. Like the message is said, when you see the black man, you're looking at God. So when you see the black man he said anytime you see a black man, you're looking at God. And you got the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad and you carry it into practice word for word, right next to that. You don't add to it, you don't take away from it. Just like he said it. You don't need nobody else but yourself. You understand what I'm trying to say. You ain't supposed to. You follow what I'm trying to say and they also said said in your lessons that you got no laborer.

Speaker 2: 31:35

No laborer should continue the devil's name. Now you got all these so-called laborers out here running around with the devil's name, talking about I'm a minister, I'm a captain, I'm a lieutenant. Hey, you ain't nothing if you're not being witness to Ambassador Rod, muhammad, master Farad Muhammad. You have to go along with the teacher, not a student the teacher in order for you to get the understanding of what it's all about. That's why most of them have a problem with me, because I stand on a solid rock. The rock I stand on is the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, word for word, right and exact. I don't add to it, I don't take away from it, just like he said it. You understand what I'm trying to say and that's why a lot of them have a problem with me, because I don't go along to get along, because I'm not looking for a bean pie and a carrot cake.

Speaker 1: 32:25

Okay, hold on. So now Malcolm X setting up universities. You said a lot. Wallace 46. Now Wallace Dean I think that's his name, or some people call him Wallace. He destroyed the economical program and, from how I see it right, this is where I think that we need to focus. Why was the economical program destroyed and why hasn't it after it was destroyed? Why wasn't it continued?

Speaker 2: 33:04

Okay, the reason why it wasn't able to destroy it? Because everybody that went with Walsh was a hypocrite and they were weak and they did not understand Lord's found Muslim lesson number 10. They didn't understand that lesson. Because they did why? Because they've been able to do nothing. You see, when you allow yourself to be programmed, when you're weak and you allow yourself to be programmed, or you talk like you're bad and you talk like you believe, hey, you say I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, the Lord, the person, the master, the Lord, the law. I give my life and my death for Allah and all that. But when you put to the test, that's when the weakness comes to the surface. You understand all those that went with Wallace, punked them, broke them down, scooped them all up in a paper bag and then dropped them like a hot potato.

Speaker 1: 33:59

That's what happened, okay okay, so now, why wasn't it continued like maybe with farrakhan?

Speaker 2: 34:09

no, the reason why it's continued? Because all those so-called leaders or officials or administration or laborers, they don't have no agenda, they, they don't understand economics. See, you can't be in front of people without an agenda. You got to have an economical program. You got to have a progress report. You got to have a financial report. You're never getting, you never got. There was never agenda. No economical program, no progress report, no economical program, no progress report and no financial report. Because that responsibility is for the secretary, the national secretary. But if the national secretary is a bloodsucker and never come with an agenda, economics program or a progress report report or financial report, that means whatever money is coming in is being used for their own personal use, which is a house, a suit, a bow tie, a car. But as far as our economical program is concerned, they don't understand economics, they're so ignorant they don't know about economics. You know what I'm saying and that's why when I set up two stores there that day by myself, I mean laid out, my stores were laid out. You know what I'm saying Fish, aquarium, carpet chandeliers in the window, showcases with gold and diamonds and silver, the whole nine yards. I set that up and then they got so ambitious and jealous of that, they tried to boycott me, you see. So the reason why I'm so close with the five of cents is my family, because even though the so-called Muslims, so-called believers, boycott me, but the five of cents, the grassroots, the street people, brother, they're patching me big time and kept me rolling Rolling. I got paid.

Speaker 2: 36:07

You can't stop the word of God. This is what these fools don't understand. You cannot stop the word of God, just like the book you got, that supreme wisdom. You can go, andy Mars, any Mars. You can't get that book. It's barred, barred. You can't go in there and get that book. But see, but I put the whole.

Speaker 2: 36:27

Everything is on my website, so you don't have to get the book. Go to my website. I don't care if you're in China, I don't care if you're all over the world. You can make a copy of all the lessons right there on my website. Just go to my website universalsupremeshabarsallawcom. Universalsupremeshabarsallawcom. Go there, make a printout copy. It's free, everything is free Lessons in wisdom, and it's been there for 25 years. That's not something you put together just on YouTube or Facebook. My website was put together by high corporate, specialist website designers. It's locked in. Nobody can touch it, you understand, and it's been there for 25 years and every month I pay for it. Okay, and the reason why I put everything there so the bloodsuckers cannot tarnish it or misrepresent it and all the young generations that come behind me will have access to it. Now it's all the worldwide. You can go to China, you in in China, go to my website.

Speaker 1: 37:39

You can print out copy and it's being copied in all different languages throughout the world okay now, I got some good questions in the chat, but chat man, I'm sorry today I'm not going to be able to answer those questions because we got some things to roll through before we cut out. Just to let y'all know, we're going to talk about, uh, uh, kareem muhammad and eric muhammad. We're going to try to fit that in in this hour or this 23 minutes and, uh, if we don't, we we're coming back to talk about more things and and and uh, later episodes. All right, so just to let y'all know. Just to let y'all know, let's talk about Kareem Muhammad.

Speaker 2: 38:22

Oh, brother, I have the utmost respect for Kareem because he was a soldier, a general. It was Kareem the reason why I mentioned him. It was Kareem when Mr Frankon's name, mr Frankon's name, was in New York. Mr Frankon's name was in the garbage can, the garbage can. New York couldn't stand him, didn't want to hear nothing about him. It was Kareem that came to New York and took Frank on his name out the garbage can and put on the level of respect. Kareem did that. That's the reason why and his, his portrait should be on that final front page of that final call newspaper. Okay, if the hypocrites have enough sense, kareem muhammad's portrait should be on the front cover of the next edition of the final call newspaper. Are making that known to the world. And if the picture's not on there, that goes to show you that the hypocrites are still trying to be active, okay.

Speaker 1: 39:26

Okay, so Kareem Muhammad. So what's his history?

Speaker 2: 39:30

Oh, he was up in Plainfield, new Jersey. He had a large following, a large following. He was powerful With the teachings of the most honorable. Like Muhammad, he was Jersey. He had a large following. He was powerful With the teachings of the most honorable light and honor. He was powerful.

Speaker 2: 39:42

I had the utmost respect for him, the reason why, like I said, my businesses, my stores and everything I was rolling while he was in New York. He never interfered, never said a word, never had nothing negative to say about my businesses. You understand, like the firm in the Captain Joseph boycotted, called himself boycotting me out of envy and jealousy because they couldn't control me or take over the business. You know what I'm saying. How are you going to take over something you ain't spend no money in? How are you going to say, like Mr Farrakhan said to me in his office one day when I went to see him, is your business nation-owned? I said, how is it going to be nation-owned? Nation got no money in my business, right? So, anyway.

Speaker 2: 40:31

So, after that and everything, that's when the word went out that any believer is coming in Islam and Jewry store my store, coming in or out. They would be giving time out of the temple. But that didn't stop them, because after the temple closed all the brothers would call me and say, mel, we're coming down. We got to get them out. I had everything in there, brother, so that's why I've got the store. My store would be open 12, 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. I had brothers come from Jersey, from Jersey, philadelphia, washington. Maybe, mel, are you still there, we're on our way, come to Virginia. I was supplying everybody. I would have been a big supplier with the material of the Nation of Islam always.

Speaker 1: 41:14

Well, I got it. Somebody says the messenger, did the messenger give Malcolm the name, Malcolm Shabazz?

Speaker 2: 41:30

Oh yeah, Malcolm Shabazz.

Speaker 1: 41:34

Malik Shabazz, the messenger.

Speaker 2: 41:37

Yeah, that's his name. Did the messenger give him Malik Shabazz and messenger? That's his name.

Speaker 1: 41:38

The messenger given Malik Shabazz.

Speaker 2: 41:41

And the Shabazz that built up the nation laid the foundation of the nation. You had John Shabazz in California, Malcolm Shabazz in New York, Jeremiah Shabazz in Philadelphia, James Shabazz in New Jersey and the other James Shabazz was the assistant minister in Chicago. Those five Shabazz's is responsible for the teachings being deep rooted in the world of North America. Those Shabazz's? Ok, Shabazz, Because Shabazz is God. Shabazz is God, Shabazz is God.

Speaker 1: 42:21

So where does that name Shabazz come from?

Speaker 2: 42:25

It comes from the universal force in power from 66 tree years ago when Shabazz when Shabazz when everybody speak the same language and the other gods disagree with that, so Shabazz went to the center part of high explosion, blew up the planet, and so the part that you see moon shut out 12,000 miles and all the water came with this part. So all those that disagree with Shabbat and didn't want to go along with Shabbat, they died, just like the ones who disagree today. Shabbat when you say Shabbat, they died, okay, just like the ones who disagree today. Who don't? Shabazz is when you say Shabazz, that's God, that's the power and force. You understand what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2: 43:05

And all those that don't accept and carry the practice, the knowledge, wisdom, understanding Direct from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, that he got direct from Master Farah Muhammad, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, that he got direct from Master Farah Muhammad. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad was Shabazz Allah, because you can't raise a nation of Shabazz Allah unless you Shabazz yourself. You understand what I'm trying to say. See so, all those that rebel against Shabazz Allah is dying and going to continue to die, because you can't. Anybody.

Speaker 2: 43:40

Once you bear witness to Allah and the person of Master Farah Muhammad and you go another way, you all you do is put your name on the dismiss list. You understand the destruction list and he got a lot of ways to destroy you. He can destroy you with alcohol, destroy you with drugs, destroy you with. He can destroy you with alcohol, destroy you with drugs, destroy you with pork. You understand what I'm trying to show. Destroy you with marijuana, heart attack. Just observe what's taking place Heart attack, strokes, paralyzed colon cancer, prostate cancer, a lot of kills from all different directions. You understand. So some people say, well, I'm all right, you're all right. What about your son or your daughter? Are they all right, or they were? So why are you going to the funeral next week or the funeral tomorrow? Don't play with these teachings, because when you play with these teachings, you come under the destruction of Almighty God of Law, who came to purge the personal master WD Farhad Mohammed.

Speaker 1: 44:37

Now Awareness Daily. Thank you for the $5, now the $99. Really appreciate you, awareness Daily. Awareness Daily, you've become my brother. I've now known you for two years. Anyway, brother, this brother is asking peace. Does brother Michal Zadek believe the messenger and the Savior are still alive physically?

Speaker 2: 45:03

The Savior is still alive, but the messenger is not. That's a lie. Anybody who say that the most humble Elijah Muhammad is physically, physically alive is a liar. And the reason why I can tell them today Faith that you's a liar because you can't prove it. Ok, because the messenger taught life in death. There's no life after physical death. Ok, now if you say where's the messenger, the messenger lives in the mind of his true followers, the mind of his true followers. When you see a true follower of the most humble life, muhammad, who accepts his teachings, upholds his teachings, carries his teachings into practice to the best of their ability, word for word, right and exact, don't add to it, don't take away from it, just like he said it. When you see that believer, you're looking at the messenger.

Speaker 2: 45:56

They've been running that spookism about the messenger still physically alive. I remember it was Nuri. Nuri was out there about a month or so ago in Chicago talking about oh, oh, oh, and the messenger is still physically alive. Now they ask Nuri, you lost a loved one, you lost your daughter. Now go to the graveyard and ask her if she still feels real, alive. And the next time you open your mouth I'm going to teach the history of that situation with your daughter who committed suicide. Now let me open your mouth again with that spookism and I'm going to come live in front of the world and run down that whole history which I've got, okay. So keep your mouth shut, okay, and you leave that alone, okay.

Speaker 1: 46:47

Go ahead. All right Now. Thanks, joey, for the $10. I really appreciate you. Thank you for the super chat or the super sticker. Now the next. Okay, so Kareem Muhammad. Are we finished with Kareem Muhammad? You want to go to Eric Muhammad?

Speaker 2: 47:04

Oh well, eric was a good soldier, a beautiful brother. I know his brother Kenneth Kenneth was the one the manufacturer of the bow ties with the crescent Kenneth produces that and Steve he does with the sweatshirts and hoodies and so forth. But Eric was a beautiful, humble, loving, respectful brother. Everybody loved him. He had a personality, unbelievable brother. I had the utmost respect for him and I'm so glad that my love and respect for him like it is now.

Speaker 2: 47:37

It was always there even when he was here. You know what I'm saying yes, so I want to let it be known that to his family, brother Steve and Brother Kenneth and the rest of the family, I want you to know that my love and respect for him is endless and he'll always be missed. He'll always be missed. Condolences to the family. Condolences to the family. So Eric Muhammad and he'll always be missed.

Speaker 1: 47:58

He'll always be missed. Right Condolences to the family. Right Condolences to the family. So, Eric Muhammad, what did he do in the community?

Speaker 2: 48:11

He was like a first officer in Mars, yeah, mars in Brooklyn. Second officer Mars 7th Mars, 7th Mars 7th C in Brooklyn. He was a lieutenant, a lieutenant first officer, but highly respected, highly. They loved him. They loved him, brother, Okay.

Speaker 2: 48:33

And I'll tell you about Kareem was highly respected. Because one thing about Kareem that a lot of brothers respected he brought the militancy out. You you know what I'm saying. You was God with him. You were God. You weren't weak, weak, submissive and humble and all that foolishness. You know what I'm saying. He brought that God to the surface. I got to give him credit for that. You know what I'm saying. He taught black men as God. He taught that watered-down orthodox Sunni garbage or that Dianetics and Scientology garbage or that Christianity garbage. How in the hell are you going to teach orthodox Sunni Islam and Christianity and Dianetics when it's an integration program? A black man can have a white woman. A black woman can have a white man. In Orthodox and Sunni Islam oh yeah, christianity a black man can have a white woman. A black woman can have a white man. Dionysian Scientology a black man can have a white woman a black woman can have a white man.

Speaker 2: 49:34

It's about separation, separation, not integration. But anytime you see somebody weak, when you see a black man with a white woman weak, you see a black woman with a white man weak. If you see somebody condoning that, upholding that they are weak, if you go into their closet, they probably live with a white man or a white woman. Okay, and all the message made a claim all white people is the devil, by nature, made to be destroyed and not to be given another chance. So that pedophile out there in Chicago called Homo Flaga that goes for him too. There's no way a Catholic devil cannot be a devil. Okay, all right. You can't say that's be a devil. Okay, alright, alright. You can't say that's not a devil. No, that's a devil, okay.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Alright, now we got a question. Brother Jigga says what do you think about Khalil Shabazz in Detroit?

Speaker 2: 50:36

Khalil Shabazz. I like him because he speaks but he proves what he's saying. He comes out of Muhammad Speaks newspaper. He shows the receipts, he proves the interviews that I see with him. He proves what he says. You understand what I'm trying to say Because they come under Sakia. I think that's his mother. I think he's married to her daughter or something. Anyway, sakia and Levi, they were under Supreme Minister John Muhammad. They never went with Wallace, they always stayed Muhammad's Temple, muhammad's Temple number one in Detroit. But Michael is good, he's good. But one thing I like about him the interview, the lectures I see of him. He's on every Sunday at 2 o'clock. He shows what he's talking about. He goes to Muhammad's speech newspaper and quote it. He mentions the black man or whatever, teaches a message that he has to prove what he's saying. And he do a good job. You see, he do a good job.

Speaker 1: 51:38

So he's my brother got you now as far as where the nation of Islam is right now. Right, so, for what I learned is that the nation of Islam has, you know, for lack of better term a few different factions. So now the nation of Islam under Farrakhan, right now, what direction do you think? I don't know much about where they're going in that direction.

Speaker 2: 52:04

Farrakhan is trying to take the nation into his orthodox Sunni Islam. Farrakhan is a continuation of Wallace. Okay, wallace changed the name Temple to Mars. Farrakhan, leave it Mars. Why don't he put it back? Temple number two? Temple number two was established by the most humble life. That's his temple, frankon. Name it Mars.

Speaker 2: 52:29

Marianne, the mother of Jesus, the mother of Jesus. 2,000 years ago, she was a virgin until she slept with Joseph. Joseph was a married man, so when she slept with Joseph, that put her at fornication and Joseph adultery. You understand what I'm trying to say. Now, why do you want to name a temple? The message is temple Mars Marian, when you know the mother of Jesus was a hoe, why would you want to do that? You understand what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2: 53:00

And I'm surprised that Ishmael, who says he's the biological son of the messenger, he go along with that. Well, how are you going to go along with if you're the biological son of the messenger? What the hell are you doing? Worshiping somebody else? Let's get real here. You know what I'm saying. What the hell are you doing worshiping somebody else? Let's get real here. You know what I'm saying. And why would you go along with somebody changing the name of your father's house, your father's temple, and you go along with it. That's weakness, weakness. You know what I'm trying to say? All right, so my point is I definitely disagree with it. It's wrong. Everybody knows that. It's not following the teachings Maren Cohen, is not following the teachings of the most avalanched woman word for word, right and exact, don't add to it, Don't take it like he said it.

Speaker 2: 53:49

He did good work. I've got to give him credit for that. You know what I'm saying Because I supported him big time for over 20 years. I was one of the main suppliers of all his videos, all his lectures. Besides number one with Chicago, outside Chicago, I was number one for 20 years I was supplying 25 stores of all Mr Frank on videos and lectures and also out in the street on 125th Street, which everybody knows. You probably saw me out there with 1,000 of his lectures on 125th Street for 12 years, in the rain, the cold, the snow, whatever. You know what I'm saying. That's why I can feel free to say what I'm about to say. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 54:31

Franco is good when he's teaching the messages he's teaching, but when he starts going, he's Aaron, he's Peter, he's this, he's that. Come on, you don't know it. You don't know what the hell you are. You take all these different directions you follow John said you can't be the messenger. Now the brother called me say he's Jesus. How the hell you gonna be Jesus? How all these metal you want?

Speaker 2: 54:53

You wait to get 92 years old. All kind of medical problems, can't walk in a wheelchair. Now you're the Messiah, now you're Jesus, but you can't heal yourself. Stop making a fool out of yourself. It's embarrassing.

Speaker 2: 55:08

Hey, have you ever seen a 92-year-old man with black hair? Come on, if I let my hair grow, it'll be great. You understand what I'm trying to say. It's a body chemistry thing. As you move on in life, your hair is going to get gray and it's going to come out. So if you're intelligent and got calm and sense, just take the hair off. What's the big deal? You'll look better. You know what I'm trying to say. You look better. You know what I'm trying to say. You'll look better.

Speaker 2: 55:41

Now, why are you always Ferencvark? You ain't got nobody out there supporting Ferencvark more than me, and they know that. They know that I've got a storage right now, brother, with maybe $40,000, $50,000 with all the nation, everything on Ferencvark, even cassette. Brother, with maybe $40,000, $50,000 with all the nation Found everything on Farrakhan, even cassette players, because I know it's going to be in great demand up the road. You know what I'm trying to say. But they know that the whole problem with those lying two-faced hypocrites, brother, that they're envious and jealous because they're unproductive, they didn't produce nothing and they was in position to do something. You know what I'm saying Because it was getting the charity, the donations, the contributions, the savings. They give the number two portraiture, but they squandered it. A car, a suit and a bow tie. If they had $2 left, they bought a bean pie, okay.

Speaker 1: 56:37

On that note, thank you for coming out this evening. Mel Chesedek Shabazz Alar, really appreciate you. We got to do a part two to this. Greatly appreciate it. Good to see you. By the way, before we cut out, I know there's got to be a two-hour show. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know we're going to bring another one. We're going to bring a part two to this. We're going to bring a part two to this. So I just wanted to ask you a question how old are you now?

Speaker 2: 57:07

I'm 89. I'll be 90 November the 20th. No medical problems. No cane, no crutches, no walker, no mobile, nothing. No medical problems and no medication.

Speaker 1: 57:23

and I can run faster than you I don't know about that, though I'm in sheen.

Speaker 2: 57:30

It's hard to eat, to live, right who you are and you're sick. If you know, hey, you're supposed to apply yourself with the best of everything that life has to offer. You know what I'm saying? The first law of nature is self-preservation. So if you don't take care of yourself, that goes to show and prove you're ignorant. You don't know how you're going to neglect yourself and be all these other things and you neglect yourself.

Speaker 1: 57:58

That neglect yourself and be all these other things and you neglect yourself. That's an actual fact. On that note, peace, brother Mel Chesedek, I really appreciate you. Peace to everybody in the chat and we are out of here. Peace.

Speaker 2: 58:08

Now, nothing personal. Freedom of speech, nothing personal. But we got to deal with reality and stop that making a fool out yourself with this idol, worshiping somebody who ain't doing nothing for you.

Speaker 1: 58:20

Okay, Indeed Peace.