Papoose & Remy Ma - Joey Badass & West Coast- Fat Joe & Zipwitthedrip

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Speaker 1: 0:11

what's going on, everybody out. There is ron brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, alongside clip and shawnee in the building. This evening we're going to talk. Today, we're going to today. We're talking About Pat Poose, remy Joey Badass, west Coast Fat Joe and Zip with the drip. It's been an interesting week, interesting week Of things going on. And Clip, you know, of course, man, you come with the history. So I want to build a little bit on the West Coast history and how you know Things. I want to build a little bit on the West Coast history and how you know things happen or transpire between East Coast and West Coast and how that was like kind of like like blown up a little bit too much exaggerated and cause, you know, like a like an East Coast West Coast rivalry and things kind of went out of control. But you know, first let's start off with Pat Poose and Remy Ma. Pat Poose from Brooklyn, remy Ma from the Bronx. And from what I'm hearing, man, I'm hearing that she's from actually, she's actually from Queens. I'm hearing that she's actually from Queens.

Speaker 2: 1:21

We're not responsible for that. That's what I'm hearing. I like that. Yeah right, Give me more responsible for that. That's what I'm hearing. I like that.

Speaker 1: 1:27

Give me more news like that I'm hearing she's from Queens. Now I'm going to tell you where I got that from. My source was Zip with the Drip. That was my source. He said she was from Astoria. Right, yeah, he said she was from Astoria.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Now, the reason why I never take things on face value but for me, the type of character that I'm learning from Zip with the drip is the person that's going to keep it above. He don't be lying. It seems like I'm not going to take it on face value. However, I'm going to take that right there. That's the gospel. She's from Astoria. That's the. That's the gospel, right? So you know, she's from Astoria supposedly, and, uh, you know. But I did see her on castle Hill as well, though no, that wasn't castle. I saw her on Parkchester one day. I saw on two different occasions one one on Parkchester. One time on Parkchester she was buying some sneakers or whatever. But um, uh, but anyway. But, uh, pat Pooce, she was buying some sneakers or whatever. But, but, anyway, but Pat Poose, to take it to Pat Poose, pat Poose and Remy that whole ordeal.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Pat Poose has been a ride or die person for Remy. Remy went to prison and all that. He held it down and you know she got out and you know he he was like basically pushing this whole black love thing in that relationship. Now, you know, let's talk about Papoose, though, like the history of Papoose, from what I know K Slade picked him up. Rest in peace to the guard K Slade. Rest in peace to the guard K Slade. K Slade endorsed him pretty much and put him on his stuff. K Slade endorsed him pretty much and put him on his stuff. And Pat Poose, what caught my ear? What Pat Poose was the alphabetical slaughter joint.

Speaker 2: 3:11

Yeah, like with most people.

Speaker 1: 3:12

Most people remember that.

Speaker 2: 3:14

For better or for worse, how you feel about him. That's historical in a culture.

Speaker 1: 3:22

For sure, he did A to Z and then he went to Z to A.

Speaker 2: 3:24

Yeah, that's historical.

Speaker 1: 3:26

That's historical Now and then he does, you know. But other than that he never really got that commercial success that all I would say most hip hop artists would like to have. You know, for whatever reason, I never understood why. You know, I'm going to assume maybe I don't know, maybe he put his energy a bit, maybe too much, into other people versus himself, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 3:57

So that's my. I think he missed his arrow Okay.

Speaker 2: 4:01

Yeah, I think he missed his era. I think for his choice of topic he would have been a mainstay in the early 90s you wouldn't have been able to deny him when black empowerment was the topic in hip-hop. If he would have matched up with the timeline he would have went down. But because he was a little bit behind the timeline, a little bit too much from his heart, because even when he had that one commercial joint with I can't remember the name of that joint, but he was rapping about how nah not the Bucky Naked joint, the joint before that with the girl.

Speaker 1: 4:43

He had the verse.

Speaker 2: 4:44

That was a funny joint, but he had that verse. He was talking about how the Constitution made us three-fourths of a man. But it was so off-topic from the rest of the song that it was like maybe commercial music just wasn't his sway. You know what I mean. But that doesn't take away from what he was able to able to lay down with his attention well, let me ask you what other, what other songs do you remember of of papoose?

Speaker 3: 5:11

my first remembrance of papoose was before the case. Later ever so. I first heard papoose on the roots of evil coogee rap album.

Speaker 1: 5:23

Coogee Rap album. Okay, see Clip. That's why Clip has to be here. Man Me Clip, we love you, clip, you need me. So now that's a necessary pause, or what? No, that's my new thing now. Necessary pause, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's my new thing. Now necessary part no, but I mean.

Speaker 3: 5:48

I first heard of him.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Ayo, I ain't going to lie to you. That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3: 5:52

That's when I first heard of him. And then he started doing the street tapes well, the freestyles and the DVD era and he got linked up with K-Slave and he signed that $1.5 million deal through Busta Rhymes. Busta Rhymes plugged that in with K yeah, so Busta Rhymes helped him get that $1.5 million deal. Once that happened, he was supposed to put out Nasarima Dream. He kept nailing that out, which is basically American Dream backwards and it took too long to come out. He kept dropping mixtapes and songs. I think he wasted all of his good records on mixtapes instead of holding out. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3: 6:36

The Not Serene Dream album eventually came out, but by the time it came out, hip-hop kind of moved on from Pat because he was promoting it for so long that we just didn't want to hear it no more because it was like it's like joel's with the I can't feel my face, we don't care no more. Like dog, we don't care, right, yeah, yeah, word, you know what I'm saying. It's like that, it's like that situation. So it's like you know, pat, but he, he, pat is the only artist I've seen signed a 11.5 million deal and didn't pay nothing back. I don't know how he finagled his way into getting $1.5 million from the labels and not have to give him nothing back. I just don't know, but I feel Pat is a stand-up dude. He can lyricist, he definitely can rap. He's not my cup of tea production wise, I really don't matter, not a big fan of his beats and I think he's not a good hook writer, but he can rap. Um, definitely a LMC situation with him and Remy.

Speaker 1: 7:41

I think before we get to Remy, before we get to Remy, you just gave a lot of history right. You unpacked a lot of history of Papoose. I didn't know, you know what I'm saying. Like he was on Coogee raps album. I had no idea about that. You know what I'm saying. I just remember him from alphabetical slaughter and, to be honest, like from from my perspective, I was already Wu-Tang'd out. I already did all the lyrical spiritual. By the time 99 came I was like, alright, I'm good with it.

Speaker 3: 8:16

That's actually when I first heard Papoose. It was like 99.

Speaker 1: 8:21

I was like alright, I don't want to hear that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 8:24

And then around 99, it was like I I don't want to hear that, you know I'm saying so so like. And then around like 99, it was like you were really paying attention to artists who had really bigger budgets anyway, like, because like the videos in 99 was crazy, like let's. Let's be honest what I think.

Speaker 2: 8:36

Williams yo, my god, hate me now. All those like those videos that came out in 99, early 2000s, 98, like that was just a time where companies spent a lot of money on their brands, basically like that, flat out. Like everybody spent a lot of money on securing their brands, even like double mint at that time, right and the culture was shifting.

Speaker 3: 9:03

And the culture was shifting because it was still New York, still held the title, but it was shifted to the South. It was quiet, right, Like so. You had, you know, you had Master P in them in 98, and you had Cash Money popped out of 99.

Speaker 2: 9:19

And then even Puff ran down South with Boys in the Hood. That's when you knew, that's when you really really knew like oh, snap, puff went down south twice right with um yeah, jock and jock and a ball and I forgot about young jock. You right three times.

Speaker 1: 9:36

What about? Uh, gorilla, what's that gorilla zoe?

Speaker 3: 9:41

gorilla zoe was dope too. His album was tough. Shout out to Gorilla Zoe, shout out to Atlanta. But yeah, like when Pap came, the Lyrical Miracle and the Coogee Rap app didn't get a lot of promotions so you had to be like a diehard Coogee Rap fan to check for it and then you would know like oh who, this new kid named Pap who's? You know what I'm saying. It's like. It's like when it's like with a whole bunch of artists. Like they'll be on somebody's album that's not really popping. Like the album ain't popping but their name is starting to come in. Like it's like the introduction into the industry. You know what I'm saying. To a certain degree, they'll get with a legacy artist, have a and then find a way. You know what I'm saying. Like Jeezy with Fabulous. Exactly like Jeezy with Fabulous. Like Nipsey Hussle on the Tupac album. You know what I'm saying. A lot of people ain't know that. You know what I mean. Or like Kendrick Lamar on a game mixtape in 2007.

Speaker 3: 10:40

You know, what I'm saying. It's a lot of these things that people really won't know about. If you know what I'm saying Like it's a lot of these things that people really won't know about If you really want to know, like Gangsta Chronicles mixtape the game did with New Jersey Devil, there's a song on there called Cali Niggas, and pretty much all of them.

Speaker 2: 10:58

Cali cats that you hear now was basically on that record, wow.

Speaker 3: 11:03

But Pap, you know, I feel like Pap. I don't know. I feel like his music. I'm going to keep it a buck. His music didn't really resonate with me a lot, even though he's a lyricist. I did like the Law Library series. I liked those. I liked a few joints he did, but then sometimes I felt like he was just rappity rapping with no purpose. After a while I really didn't care for Alphabet Slaughter. I appreciate the creativity of it and the technicality of it, but it wasn't something I was going to rewind on a regular basis. Right, when you go zigzag, zoola, the rickzag, the ripper, zebras, the zippers, zappers, the zippers, zappers, jibbers.

Speaker 2: 11:47

All zippers and zippers, zappers and zippers, zappers. All right, dog, yeah it's. It's definitely for a certain audience. You know what I'm saying. I said definitely for a certain audience and that's that answers your question why he didn't catch mainstream. You know what I mean, right? No, but then it's like life is funny, right, because it rewards certain things, like even before you get to achieve them. So I think, for him, being like a stand up guy, things came his way. You know what I'm saying. I think people probably like the way he move is what I'm trying to say and then they saw the potential and saw that's what he wanted, and then they pushed. I think K is that kind of a guy. Anyway, what you think about huh, I'm trying to.

Speaker 2: 12:28

I'm agreeing with you to a certain degree, yeah yeah, because it's like when you think about k right and how deeply embedded he is in in the culture, not not just the djing, but like the sleeper train stations he's.

Speaker 2: 12:44

He's for real like. You know what I'm saying. He's the culture for real. So with somebody that's that stamp, see something in you and and and then put you like first five of his mixtape. You know that's, you know that's. That's the heat right there. When it comes to the k slave joint, the first five, first six, ten joints, you know you start going down 26, 27. You know what I mean. So it's like, but what else was it like? It had to be something else. And as we see the way he move, he's a real like. He's a real stand-up dude man. He's a real stand-up dude, not not too positive. He deserved this treatment that he receiving or that he received. But the good thing about it, the good thing about it is it's a blatant example of what to look for, what to see, how to be and how not to be, from both sides.

Speaker 3: 13:39

You know what I'm saying it's a blatant reason why tired of people's on tv, or they black, love black, this black that yo shut up just live your life right. The whole black love looks looks fake now, like all of it looks fake because if you really love a person, you wouldn't be doing this. I don't care what the scenario is. You wouldn't be trying to air out your partner or your ex-partner on social media. We don't care, we just here for the circuit. Right right right.

Speaker 1: 14:13

Now I want to talk about Remy. I want to build up on her history too, because I didn't know anything about her being from Astoria I thought she was really from castle hill in that area and all that and she was discovered by pun, right, yeah, no, yeah right she was. She was discovered. She was discovered by pun. Now, how was she discovered? She was also battle rapping and all that. She had a battle battle with Lady Luck, yeah. Fight Club, right. Then she got that record deal. Then she made a couple hits Lean Back, she had a verse on Lean Back. She had that verse on Any Up. That's her breakout verse. Yeah, that's her breakout. I'm Conceited that song, right, there was a hit too. Other than that, I don't know much about Remy. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 15:10

I feel like that joint with her and Ne-Yo, that joint always playing in my head. That joint with her and Ne-Yo was crazy too. Yeah, that joint was stupid Remy.

Speaker 3: 15:20

Her history is right, like you said. She came up under Pun but Pun passed away. Her history is right, like you said she came up under Pun but Pun Passed away before he really introduced her. We just knew that she was. He was a protege. And when she did the Andy Yupp remix feature, that verse is the verse that took her, that got the. That verse for her as a female artist Was like AZ's verse On Life's a Bitch. Yeah. It had an impact similar to that, like who's that shit? Right, crazy, right. Fat Joe took it in Terror Squad family. Basically, you down with the squad because you was Puff. I mean not Puff, you was Punzartist. We're going to roll with that. If you notice, she wasn't on the first Terror Squad album.

Speaker 1: 16:48

The first Terror Squad album was so fire bro Wait a minute.

Speaker 2: 16:52

Wait, wait, wait, wait. She's not on. Take you Home. That's the second album.

Speaker 1: 16:57

That's the second album. The first Terror Squad album is crazy.

Speaker 2: 17:00

The first album is better than the second album, the first Terror Squad album. The second album is crazy. The first album is better than the second album.

Speaker 3: 17:04

When punk come knocking at your front, door anyone, Nah, that was not.

Speaker 2: 17:12

Nah, that's raw, nah, that's raw, yeah, nah that's.

Speaker 3: 17:15

Puerto Rican, new York City, raw right there, that was the album that had that, but your man can't do it like this. Right that joint.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Okay okay, yeah, remember that you got Cuban Link.

Speaker 1: 17:31

Fat Joe Armageddon Triple, c's yes, who else?

Speaker 2: 17:37

Sunkissed on that joint Tony.

Speaker 1: 17:38

Sunshine. I like Sunkissed, I like Tony Sunshine too, and that's it right. Yeah, Tony Sunshine had that.

Speaker 2: 17:48

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say this real quick. Tony Sunshine had that remix that he did to TONY Crazy.

Speaker 3: 17:58

Crazy that first Terror Squad album Pump, was becoming the guy like he was becoming bigger than Joe, quiet as hell, right, and he was about to do bring his own artists in all of Cuba Link and all of them was really under him, right. So that whole Terror Squad is technically like Pun's crew.

Speaker 3: 18:28

For the most part, joe was just the guy that put the pieces together to make everything happen. When Pun died, everything fell apart. A few of the cats stayed with Pun, a few of the cats ran with what's my man? Cuba Link. And then Remy was over there with Joe. Then Remy started her feature work, hopping on Pun's second album, and then I mean Potsmouth's album. You know that second album that came out after he died and then she was just tearing stuff up on the streets on a battle tip. She was getting her name known across the city. She got the first hit record that she had, her single let's Get it Poppin', whatever the drink that Swizz did. That was the record that had the club anthem. Then she had the record with Ne-Yo. Her career was taking off and then she shot a chick.

Speaker 1: 19:30

Now that situation right when Remy shot this person, right. I never really dug into that story but like what actually happened. Does anybody know about that story Supposedly Short? Anybody know about that story supposedly shorty, stole?

Speaker 3: 19:43

a stack from her. Okay, right now I don't know remy's pockets at the time. I don't know the situation. All I know is the word was shorty, shorty stole. Some shorty. A chick that she knew stole bread from her. So instead of putting hands on her, remyemy just took it to the streets on another level and popped Shirley.

Speaker 1: 20:04

You know, that's interesting because Clarissa Shields is talking about fighting. But Remy went to prison for shooting somebody. But she's in her 40s right now. She already been through that. She's not trying to go through that right now. We're all older on a nother level and shit like that. But but like fighting, I like I don't know why even clarissa is even bringing that up. I guess because she's the boxer and she's younger.

Speaker 3: 20:31

So you know she's in that type of frame of mind the fighter I mean fighters gonna fight, like I'm not here to talk. I'm not to me. Clarissa really ain't really talking crazy. She's just like yo. I'm not here to talk. I'm not To me. Clarissa really ain't really talking crazy. She just like yo. I'm not really. I don't really have beef with you, shorty, but you keep mentioning my name and I ain't say nothing about you, right? But if you want to get it shaken, we can get it shaken. That's how I look at Clarissa. Like I'm not trying to fight no female undefeated boxer right now. Like I'm not trying to fight no female undefeated boxer right now.

Speaker 2: 21:03

What are you doing? The?

Speaker 1: 21:05

most decorated fighter in US history and remember she went into the UFC as well, so she can grapple, yeah and she from Detroit come on.

Speaker 2: 21:20

Lucky she, god fearing. You heard lucky she, god fearing. I don you. Lucky she god fearing. Because even I don't know you know you've been to detroit or you know people from detroit yo. But I've been to detroit. Right, they don't play out there yo, my first five hours out there somebody tried to sell me a taped up chopper. I just came outside to smoke. Bro, it's serious out there man like so don't don't take it for granted that she boxing or she could be doing something else. She obviously got the heart. She obviously she. Obviously she got the heart. Lucky, she got jesus in her life too it could be ugly.

Speaker 3: 21:58

I listen, I ain't got nothing against remy as a person, right? I don't know her personally, but I got people that's associated with First of all. I got people that's in Terror Squad, right. So I don't want to, you know, say anything crazy about the situation, but I do think the whole situation is corny, right? I do think that Remy is too old to be going on social media to try to air out Pampus, you were screaming black love with this man. You was ready to get married. You was married to this man. You did a whole TV show with this man. You did songs and appearances of black love and rapping verses together. You did a and appearances of black love and rapping verses together. You did a whole lot with this man, regardless if the situation went bad. Who cheated or not, that's irrelevant, right? You loved that man at that point. Don't sit there and say you didn't, right. Don't try to say he was the brokest man you was with. All that didn't matter, because that's not the image that you was portraying to the world.

Speaker 1: 23:05

Right Now he broke.

Speaker 3: 23:07

Now he broke. It comes off as bitter that he moved on, because the whole time when we found out that you were supposedly cheating with easy to block captain, right, how can you say a word? He didn't slander you, he didn't talk to you, he didn't go to the world and all of that, I knew it was friction. It was legit at the K-Slave funeral when Pat made his speech and Remy was behind him holding the baby, but Remy ain't look like she wanted to be there. I was looking at the energy and I'm like, yeah, this relationship is going downhill. It could have been salvaged if Remy, it could have been salvaged if she got caught cheating, if the information didn't go public, right, that's how I feel.

Speaker 3: 24:00

But I feel like Pap tried to stick around because he's a dude. That's like, alright, marriages, some things happen. You know people in marriages. You're going to have some issues in your marriage. It happens To the best of them, right. But Pap is the type of person that I think he's a forgiving person. He seems like a very forgiving person and a very logical thinking person that tries to at least work out the problems before he decides to step off. Right, according to Pap, he caught her doing. Whatever she was doing. He tried to fix it therapy all of that, and when he couldn't fix it, I'm out of here, right, right Remy.

Speaker 3: 24:48

I guess because the social media was tearing Remy up, remy had to figure out a way to get the upper hand because she was looking bad on social media just because of the breakup in general, because we watched this man sit with you in your whole jail bed and we watched him be loyal to you throughout your whole entire jail bed. So I don't know. I just think for me personally, I think the whole situation is corny. I think black people need to stop airing each other's business and personal lives out on social media. I think we're too mature for that at this point, especially people that's in their 40s. I just think that the representation of black people can never get along. The stereotypes of black men and black women can never, never stick together. I think that it's like we we we too busy proving to the world that they're right.

Speaker 1: 25:44

I like that. I like that. Now, on a. On a less serious note, pat Poose I like that. Now, on a less serious note, papoose always gets the girls that I like. I would've Remy. Remy can. First of all, she can rhyme like a rapper girlfriend. Back in the days when I was into rapping a lot, that would have been dope. You know what I'm saying. And I like the, I like her, I like her swag. You know what I mean. Like some people, like I like women who are strong, so to speak. I like strong women and she's a strong woman, although it's well, matter of fact, you do a bid and come out and all of that. She's tough. I don't know about strong, she's tough.

Speaker 2: 26:32

She's tough. Yeah, there's a difference.

Speaker 1: 26:35

Yeah, she's tough. She's a tough kid.

Speaker 2: 26:38

Ain't nobody going to take that from her.

Speaker 1: 26:40

Like I don't really agree with.

Speaker 2: 26:42

you know I don't agree with her movement, but I would never take that away from her.

Speaker 1: 26:48

She is tough as nails, and then he got, he got, he got with clarissa shills. She's a boxer, right? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 26:56

the tough trick, yeah yo you, you, you ever seen clarissa? Forgive me, pat, forgive me, you ever see clarissa at them, weigh-ins oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yo she be looking good, bro, like she yo. She's tall and she's so feminine because you know she come out with the with the nice joints, not not the boxer joints on on the bottom, she come out with a nice lacy joints all that look good until she throw that left hook, and that should just be scaring me. Nah, but that's what y'all know.

Speaker 3: 27:34

You're supposed to not put yourself in a position to get to the left hook. It's just the way she be hooking off in the ring Chicks be getting hit. I be thinking she a dude the way she be connecting with these guys, the way her joint she connect like a dude and I'm like, nah yo, that's kind of like she's. She's not ugly, she's not, definitely not an ugly chick, she's definitely not at all.

Speaker 3: 28:00

She's not my type, but I can respect her beauty for what it is. I'm not mad that she can fight either, but something about.

Speaker 1: 28:10

That scares me. Well, you know what. I want to know what does. Pat Poo say to these women though Ain't no, man, ain't no man, he's like Pat Poo. You seem calculated, brother, you seem calculated. I want to know what's the? What do you say, you know, to a, to a female, a champion, you know, I mean a female boxer. Bro, you went for that like how, what was the first joint, like you know, I mean, what was the first line?

Speaker 2: 28:42

I'm saying but pap stay. I'm saying, really though pap stay, like, really though pap stayed as a man or man, like man, I could see that just pulling strong women. I can't see someone who don't stand on no star pulling strong women. That's not going to work. You know what I'm saying? He confident, he go for what he want. This, that and third, yeah you know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 29:06

Why not? I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like him and Remy swapped they, separated to date. You know what I'm saying. Why not? I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like him and Remy swapped. They swapped, they separated to date people that look just like them.

Speaker 2: 29:15

Better bro, like well. Nah, I say Pap got the upper hand though B I say Pap got the upper hand.

Speaker 1: 29:23

I think that's why Remy's 20.

Speaker 2: 29:25

Nah, but he got to see. Look, it don't quite matter like it don't quite matter how a lot of people look at religion right, but from the way she looks at it right, because I've heard her say it she's a God-fearing woman. She serves God, she serves her men. She says she don't have no problem being feminine and subservient to her men. That's an understanding that most people just don't have. It's a discipline. Let me say that's a discipline that a lot of people don't have, because she is highly capable of knocking Pap out Like, let's be real, pap, could you know?

Speaker 2: 30:01

Pap could do his joints. I ain't trying to take nothing from Pap, you know what I'm saying, but she's been doing that for a long time. It is an opportunity that you know. One out of three she might get you, papa, you know what I'm saying. One out of three. She's guaranteed to get one of those, you see. But she has enough self-discipline to not war out like that and put it out in the public and move in the manner that marries what she says Black power for life. But she moves intact like he moves intact, so they look good together, easy to block. Dropped a uh, a voicemail to pap. I don't know if y'all heard that he dropped that voicemail, or pap got hold of that voicemail where he was like yo, is she ever go left or right on me, he? He said I got videos, I got pictures. He said this going to go when I say so, yeah, I heard that Anything going to go viral.

Speaker 1: 31:00

That's suckership To me that's suckership.

Speaker 2: 31:02

Yeah, that is though no no, no, no, no, it absolutely is, but it's just catering to my point that pat went up and one went down, and then you gotta really look at situations like that, right? Somebody, male or female, when they're feeling beneath they will cause a ruckus and they will look to find somebody that look like you but is beneath you, like just to stay in that empowerment of themselves. Just saying empowerment of themselves, you know what I mean. I look at situations like that too. She's, she's doing. You can't say he's done as well as she's done in hip-hop, can't say that. So she has the, the name over him as far as anybody's concerned, he's just a battle rapper yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 3: 31:58

He hasn't done anything outside of battle. Rap, right, he? Well, he had the little. He had the little, the guest star appearance on a bel-air tv show, right? So he was the villain on bel-air. So I don't know if anybody watched bel-air I do, but he played. He played the guy that chased will smith out of philly okay, okay okay, okay yo wait, how did you?

Speaker 2: 32:25

how are you enjoying that? Was that enjoyable? It's dope, it's a really dope show.

Speaker 3: 32:34

It's like a street version of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

Speaker 2: 32:39

Did they get to the part where Will's Pops came back and broke out yet? Did they get to that part yet?

Speaker 1: 32:44

And this is on Netflix. No, it's on Peacock.

Speaker 3: 32:48

Pause. Yeah, it's on Peacock.

Speaker 2: 32:50

Was it as dramatic bro? Cause that's?

Speaker 3: 32:52

way better. It's way better than a TV show wow, wow wow, it's more raw, but we'll talk about that another time let's go to Joey Badass in the West Coast.

Speaker 1: 33:06

I worded it that way just because I knew you were going to go there, so let's go there.

Speaker 3: 33:12

It's not Joey Badass versus the West Coast, joey Badass versus Ray Vaughn, daylight Absol and AZ Cheek I'm not sure how to pronounce his name. Forgive me, but it's the dude that's from LA. They got the feature on.

Speaker 1: 33:38

Kendrick's album. Now, how did this beef start, though?

Speaker 3: 33:41

this rap battle start it started after Kendrick cooked drink right and everybody was giving praise. And then Joey dropped a record, called the rulers back and then, in a verse he quoted, he recited the jay-z quotable too much west coast dick licking. And the first person to pop out and respond to that to was Ray Vaughn.

Speaker 1: 34:10

And it was kind of mid.

Speaker 3: 34:12

Nah, that first joint was fire. I don't know if you remember the first joint, First joint. He went on for like four minutes on that. Oh, the first joint.

Speaker 1: 34:20

I remember I know of the. I guess this is a newer one.

Speaker 3: 34:24

Yeah, he got like four or five joints. Okay, okay, the first two joints, him and Joey. He was. He got like four or five joints to Joey. Okay, okay, the first two joints. I think Joey lost that first one. I'm going to keep it a buck. That first round to Ray Vaughn Joey lost that, in my opinion. The second round he lost two. The third and fourth is when he started cooking, like let me stop playing with you. Daylight responded mid Eastside K-Boy, another one from LA dropped. It was tough but it wasn't enough. The problem that I have with this situation it's not Joey versus the West Coast, because the West Coast is Oakland Bay Area you know what I'm saying. Frisco, that whole region, it's just him and a few artists. That's affiliated with TDE and Kendrick, that's it so who backing?

Speaker 2: 35:24

Joey, like who backing Joey, joey doing all that by himself?

Speaker 3: 35:28

Joey's going to hop on a record with Joey and back him up is Lord of Lux Well he ain't going to let nobody just, and you can't just walk over Lux on some lyrical tip.

Speaker 3: 35:40

That's not going to happen. That ain't going to happen. The only problem that I have with this battle is it's supposed to be a friendly sparring match, right? So I think Joey and is it's supposed to be a friendly spa match, right? So I think Joey and Absol they cool, td, can't they cool. I think it's a mutual respect and just trading bars. Problem is is you can't say too much West Coast dick licking, because the West Coast cats, they don't apply the same rules as New Yorkers. Their mindset is gang mentality first. So when you say something and they respond on a record because YG just responded to a record last night, right, I'm into everything that's going on YG just responded and they don't care about this rappity, rap shit. They making songs, but they letting you know like dog, you could die out here Real quick.

Speaker 2: 36:42

So you gotta be cautious, save your life.

Speaker 3: 36:44

You gotta be cautious when dealing because, remember, new York is hip-hop first, right, our culture is hip-hop first. Our culture is hip-hop first. Birth from gangs. Their culture is gangs first. Gangs is our life, not a trend, this is our life. They rep blood and Crip like Christians, and Christians rep Jesus. You know what I'm saying? That's how they. That's them. Anything said that's misconstrued is wartime for them, right? So you gotta be cautious when dealing with them, dudes, because it might not even be the rappers that want problems. It might be the crew that take it to the next level with with joey. You've seen that.

Speaker 2: 37:40

So many times. Yo huh, you've seen that so many times. Yeah, like yeah I don't like.

Speaker 3: 37:47

I, I love the west coast, I love my la people, right, I, I love them, but I but it's also a certain way you gotta approach them when it comes to this. You gotta let them know. Look, I just want to have fun rapping this. Ain't I'm not trying to, I'm the one thing I do, like it? Ain't you got coming a disclaimer? Yeah, because, because I want people to understand that the media would try to spin this and to be something bigger than what it is and turn it into another Pac-Bank situation.

Speaker 3: 38:15

We've seen that before too. So because both of them died on the West Coast, right, we got to keep it a buck. They both died on the West Coast, mm-hmm, right, regardless of whatever they die, based on people's entourages, right? You get what I'm saying. Like they didn't have a face to face conversation. The entourages did what they did, right? So my thing is Be cautious, joey, be smart.

Speaker 3: 38:48

I know you got respect for the West Coast, but understand that when you start taking it to them, they don't take beef the same way we take beef Hip-hop beef. We take it in a different manner. But on the rapping tip, joey you up. I'm just keeping it all the way up. Joey, you up for the last three joints the finals, the joint with Lux and the joint over the hit-em-up. I mean the joint with Lux. I think that's over the hit-em-up beat, right? Mm-hmm, yeah, he got the joint over the hit-em-up beat. He got the finals record and he got another joint where he said he going crazy, those last three. Joey is up, okay, right, so I'm on some hip-hop. I'm just mad that if, if we're gonna do this, if joey's gonna do this, you can't claim joey, you claiming you the king of new york. You gotta show and prove that in new york yeah first.

Speaker 2: 39:39

Yeah, yeah, that's a fact. But if that's the case, then who's who's really in the arena to battle? If that's the case because it's like with drill music being pushed so heavy and then those artists being, you know, on in a revolving door, in and out, in and out, in and out who is really standing on? Lyrical supremacy for him to say I I'm the king, I got rid of him.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Yeah, because like it's kind of simple for him to say that and it be undisputed if there's nobody who believe in hip-hop in the city like that, no more.

Speaker 3: 40:13

But my thing is, you ain't the best lyricist in New York City.

Speaker 1: 40:18

No way.

Speaker 3: 40:20

Like you, ain't better than Sky Zoo. Right, I'm just keeping it a buck. And, to be honest, them Griselda boys got hold of New York. Damn, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not.

Speaker 2: 40:32

And they're not from the Five Burrows.

Speaker 3: 40:36

But if we talk about the East Coast and New York rap and that type of lyrical rap that we like, we can't keep relying on Nas and Hov in them because they in their 50s, right yeah For the cast that's prevalent and really making noise for New York State. It's them Griselda boys.

Speaker 2: 40:58

Now I ain't going to lie. Drumworks got some duels. That's Conway's set.

Speaker 3: 41:07

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. All the Griselda, that whole camp, that whole camp, the BFF, the Drumworks, you know, stove God Cooks, and all of them. They the ones really over there holding the authentic part of what New York culture used to be down.

Speaker 2: 41:24

But I don't think that they would be able to go bar for bar in a rap battle, though Maybe Conway Cause Conway came up like that Right, like yeah, conway got a style for that, and also in like Benny like you gotta go see Benny.

Speaker 1: 41:41

Especially me too, yeah, especially me too.

Speaker 2: 41:45

But you gotta, like you asked me, you gotta go see Benny Yo, you got. You gotta go see the butcher Like you ask me, you got to go see Benny. Yo, you got to go see the Butcher. I'm sorry, yo, you got to go see the Butcher man. You got to get through Benny before you can start claiming king of New York, like because I like how Westside claimed king of New York. But I only like that from an artistic standpoint, a cultural standpoint and a point of ambition, because he's always doing something bigger and better. He's always switching it up. He's top five in whatever he's doing, like if it's promotion, he's top five. If it's fashion, he's top five. If it's putting out work, he's top five.

Speaker 3: 42:25

I don't think he's top five. I do that's because I'm from Harlem. I don't really think he's top five.

Speaker 2: 42:31

I think he wear.

Speaker 3: 42:31

Gaudy jewelry, but I don't think his fits Be super fire to me.

Speaker 2: 42:36

I follow Boise. I follow Boise. Boise is into the fashion.

Speaker 3: 42:40

You see who he hang out with.

Speaker 2: 42:42

I agree with Cliff, but I don't think he's the flyest I don't think he's the flyest, but putting up that fly guard Monica, who really piecing outfits together, like who's doing it, who's saying Bam Bam, jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, no, no, no, no no, no, hold on Jimmy dress.

Speaker 1: 43:02

better than that dude.

Speaker 2: 43:04

Hold on Hold on hold on hold on Cam Cam. I'm talking fashion. I'm not talking. I'm talking fashion. I'm not talking, I'm talking fashion. He be there, like he be there. Fab is what Jerseys.

Speaker 3: 43:20

No, fab ain't wearing a jersey in forever. Fab, be putting fits together. You gotta go to that man IG.

Speaker 2: 43:27

I'm not saying Fab is not fly, but Fab is not rapping right now, fab is not in the limelight like that right now. And then it's like so I'm going to say him for now Right, he's still with. No, fab is Fab, he's going to still rap, it's in his soul. But I'm saying who in the limelight is saying I'm doing fashion? Who's saying I'm running the label?

Speaker 3: 43:46

Oh, a$ap Rocky.

Speaker 2: 43:47

Oh yeah, I'm running the late.

Speaker 1: 43:49

Oh, asap, rocky. Oh yeah, I forgot who else.

Speaker 2: 43:51

Outside of ASAP. Yeah, asap, I'll never take nothing from ASAP. Asap's doing.

Speaker 3: 43:55

ASAP, but is ASAP.

Speaker 2: 43:57

But is ASAP music? Is ASAP music and is Ferg music as popping right now as Griselda? No, so that's what I'm trying to say. Who's working it like that, like that's how ASAP got there? Definitely, but is he still maintaining that moniker? He's found another avenue he got a billion and baby mom. But that's what I'm saying. But then the hunger and the drive is not there, or the necessity for it is not there, but culturally.

Speaker 3: 44:29

I think ASAP still got it right. I think A$AP still got him right, right. I think A$AP set so many trends early on that people are still following him. People want bags.

Speaker 2: 44:37

Yeah, yeah, oh, no, guaranteed, no, guaranteed, guaranteed, a$ap is definitely, he definitely changed the culture, guaranteed, guaranteed, not taking that from him.

Speaker 1: 44:46

Indeed, I want to go into Fat Joe and Zip with the Drip before we close out. So Fat Joe, fat Joe, on the Joe and Jada podcast he was kind of speaking out about how people talk, about he's all cap, you know, and he says something like you know these YouTubers, you know I want to go to these YouTubers, you know, and you know I want to go to these YouTubers in a NYCHA project or apartment and sit down and like have a conversation with some of these dudes. We all watched Zip with the NYCHA hat on. So Zip took it as he was talking about him and it was like some back and forth between Zip and I think the guy's name is Miami or something like that. Miami or something like that.

Speaker 1: 45:40

I think he's a part of Joe's entourage. So they were going back and forth and supposedly patched it out, passed it out, and but the whole point Was that after Joe said what he said, zip took it as Like a disrespect, like he was like you think I'm pussy, I'm gonna let you come into my spot with Two million dollars worth of jewelry and you gonna leave out. Like that, that's not gonna happen, you know what I'm saying. So that was his the whole back and forth with Joe and Zip Y to leave out like that. That's not going to happen. You know what I'm saying. So that was his. That was his, the whole back and forth with Joe and Zip. Y'all know about that. Yeah, I heard about it.

Speaker 1: 46:16

He's an equal judge so.

Speaker 3: 46:18

I'll be honest with you. Wow, I love Joe, but I don't think Joe's doing nobody's projects with $2 million worth of jewelry.

Speaker 2: 46:26

And he's not going by himself.

Speaker 1: 46:28

You're not going by yourself, he's not going by himself.

Speaker 3: 46:32

Listen, I love Joe, Fat Joe. I love Fat Joe.

Speaker 2: 46:35

I've been a Fat.

Speaker 3: 46:36

Joe. Since Flo Joe Right, I've seen Fat Joe go a lot of places with no security Iced out. I'm not going to say he hasn't done it before, no no, no, no no. But in today's era it's a little different from back then. You know it's a little different. I see fat these young boys house with seven people standing with him.

Speaker 2: 46:59

He was in his house with seven men standing around him, like in his house, and, like you said, at times is there, yo, when we was growing up? The respect? Yeah, it was different, yeah, respect was big seeing him walk through the street, like that would have been like yo, it had been like seeing the president yo I can make that right yo, I'm gonna do that there go joe right there, yo like yeah, when he opened up the, when he opened up the 560 store on 147th yeah that was a hell of a feeling, right you?

Speaker 1: 47:33

know right. Right. Yeah, I met fat joe on uh 167th and uh I forgot what street that I think it's like close to gerard avenue. He was just walking through and he was greeting people on that, gave him a pound, said yo, what's up, shorty? I don't know, I was like I was like a young kid gave them a pound, said yo, what's up, shorty? I was like a young kid back in them days or whatever. He had a respect, just like you said, he was like the president. Back in the days Joe was that guy in the Bronx, but now Joe he's still a man.

Speaker 3: 48:06

He's still got a billion Puerto Ricans that'll ride out. He ain't never lose no power.

Speaker 1: 48:09

A man he's still got a billion.

Speaker 2: 48:10

Puerto Ricans that'll ride out. He ain't never lose no power or respect. He never made a move. That would be like I don't respect that. It's rumors about the thing with Pun and his son and how that whole thing went down, but it's like people kind of mind that they business about that. And if you look at it on a grander scale beyond that he hasn't really made any moves. That's like I don't know. Joe, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 48:39

Right, right, right, right, right. You know well, I think they're trying to kill his reputation, his word with the cap.

Speaker 3: 48:47

You know, let's keep it a buck. This is entertainment. Everybody's capping. Right now. Joe knows exactly what he's doing. I'm going to say things that's going to draw attention to me to generate money. Everybody on the internet is capping. None of y'all are rich, as far as certain people. Half of y'all ain't rich. All you chicks got fake butts. You don't live in these cribs. Everybody's capping right.

Speaker 2: 49:14

It'd be mad funny if joe was just trolling anybody by telling super amazing cappy stories because he know everybody else is lying.

Speaker 3: 49:23

That would be amazing first off in this era. Why would I tell y'all the truth when everybody getting locked?

Speaker 1: 49:32

up Right, yeah, enough enough. And it's more profitable to lie.

Speaker 2: 49:38

nowadays, anyway, you can say you a man and be a woman, and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 49:45

Why would I tell y'all the truth?

Speaker 1: 49:47

Why would?

Speaker 3: 49:48

I tell you the truth of my real life hood stories of doing dirt, so I can have the feds on me.

Speaker 2: 49:55

Yeah, that's not smart yo.

Speaker 2: 49:59

I'm going to get paid too and get paid in the first place. Enough of nothing, yo Clear. Some, like, shake the podcast space up on that level a little bit. I see it. You know what I'm saying. I don't think, I don't think it goes too far. You know I'm saying, but I see, like you know, shake it up a little bit, because people are not enthralled with that show like that. You know what I'm saying. Like they're good for now, for legacy, definitely good characters on their own and trying to build a bridge toward one another. That's what I see, you know what I mean, and I think it may take. I think a lot of people are judging it harshly because they're expecting so much from out of them. But they just starting, I think, yeah, but they just start in like I think.

Speaker 3: 50:52

So I think, yeah, they just starting, but I don't think. I think they trying to shift away from having to rap. Right, yeah, but that's the, I think jayden just turned 50 today. Happy birthday, jayden right wow right I think it's getting to a point where they realize they're about to age out of this. So they're going to do their little last hoorah rapping rides and then off to the races doing other things. They got to do other business ventures to make some money because this hip hop ain't paying them the way it used to.

Speaker 2: 51:25

Well, joe been hustling like that, right, I think Joe always been a hustler.

Speaker 2: 51:31

Yeah, joe, been hustling because Joe's claim to fame ended like a while ago, like he's living off a legacy. Right, that's how much he's laid down in his time period that he's now afforded the opportunity to live off legacy. And then he's dropped that joint with DJ Khaled. You know he put his music out every now and again. You know what I'm saying. But I know he's already been in other ventures like that. Kiss has been in other ventures too, but for the most part they seem to be like very low key, very grassroots.

Speaker 3: 52:09

KISS and them got all these little small businesses, not small. Let me um small businesses. I don't mean that like no, no, no.

Speaker 2: 52:16

I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, but that's exactly what it is. That's what I'm saying too where they making some bread.

Speaker 3: 52:22

So I'm not gonna take them away from them, but I think they're finally trying to figure out a way to remain relevant in the young industry. But be out the way.

Speaker 2: 52:32

I can't, I can't argue with that. And then once you see how um mason cam laid it down. But I think what everybody is misconstruing with that is that y'all not mason cam, like, like y'all don't have that. What I'm saying is I don't have that relationship that they had.

Speaker 2: 52:49

Like I don't yeah, I don't have that relationship that they had like I don't yeah, I don't have and that's very, very important like that bounce back and forth that they do, and then, more over, the fact that they had to come back together and people really fell in love with the fact that they could see that like right, because it was like real unifying and nostalgic to a lot of us. And then it was relatable, because a lot of us are going our separate ways with friends and found our ways back peace, peace and found our ways back to one another. So it was a very relatable situation that drew a lot of people in yeah, that's all missing in this situation that too.

Speaker 3: 53:30

But I also think they found a niche for what they did. They did something different from what everybody else is doing. Everybody else is doing hip hop podcast, we doing a sports show dog. It just flips the whole narrative to we're doing a hip hop sports show, which then changes the narrative on just the typical hip-hop topics. They found a niche that's comical and entertaining as far as the main theme of sports.

Speaker 1: 54:02

Indeed, indeed, indeed.

Speaker 3: 54:06

I heard they got a nice little $100 million contract coming up Wow.

Speaker 2: 54:11

Come on, man. Your man, ken, said he's moving to Texas.

Speaker 3: 54:14

You heard no state income taxes, listen listen, I'm going to keep it a buck. I got a house waiting for me. I got a house waiting for me in Texas eventually.

Speaker 2: 54:27

I want to move out there too.

Speaker 3: 54:29

I want to move out there. It's black out there too. I want to move out there too. I love listen, I want to move out there.

Speaker 2: 54:32

It's black out there, so I want to move out.

Speaker 3: 54:33

No, houston is hot houston is you get your money's worth when I say, unlike any other state, I've seen you get the side. When they say everything is bigger in texas. Pause, everything is literally bigger in texas. The money that we paying for rent is giving people five bedroom homes, baby.

Speaker 2: 54:53

How about the commute?

Speaker 3: 54:57

As long as you got a car, you good money. But you got to understand these supermarkets. It's called HEB and all of that right. Those supermarkets is bigger than Walmart. Wow With way with whole foods, quality food.

Speaker 2: 55:14

Damn bro.

Speaker 1: 55:16

What's happening? New York is going on a down.

Speaker 3: 55:19

New York is sinking. New York is the island itself is sinking.

Speaker 2: 55:25

Yeah, manhattan.

Speaker 3: 55:26

Yeah, manhattan is sinking bro.

Speaker 2: 55:29

Hey yo, you know what they talking about. Doing about that too. They talking about and this will be amazing to see in our lifetime. Don't get it twisted, but they're actually talking about expanding Manhattan again, like the way that they expanded it the first time through trash and compost and so on and so forth. They're actually talking about expanding Manhattan one more time.

Speaker 3: 55:50

That's another toll. That's another toll we got one more time. That's another toll. That's another toll we got to deal with. That's more traffic, that's more rats, more raccoons.

Speaker 2: 55:58

That's a hell of a more rats and raccoons.

Speaker 1: 56:03

Yo real quick. Before we close out, I just want to say rest in peace to Charles Ringo of Harlem, harlem legend. Oh wow, congressman, he just passed at 94, 94 years old, yeah.

Speaker 3: 56:19

Rest in peace to Charles Ringo, definitely a legend in our, especially for us. Harlem Knights, us older Harlem Knights that grew up in a time where we still looked at our, I looked at our, our, you know our politicians and our leaders and our respect coming up for our generation I can't speak for the younger ones, they really don't have no connection to him Right, for us coming up the way that we came up, especially in Harlem, they taught us a lot, like we will. We was black history and Harlem black history was really embedded in our generation. We was black history and Harlem black history was really embedded in our generation, right? So, yeah, rest in peace to that guy.

Speaker 3: 56:54

You know he did a lot for Harlem. Behind that, you know, there are a lot of people don't talk about. I hope you get a building in his name, like out of play of power, did you know what I'm saying? I hope he gets some sort of street named after him, cause he did a lot for us in a time when we was still all black in the city. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 57:14

Indeed, indeed, indeed, Yo on that note.

Speaker 2: 57:17

Nah, before we close out, hold on Hold on before we close out. Oh, your team is down by five right now. Yeah, I'm looking At half At half. At half it's going to be a gold one. It's going to be a gold one. It's going to be a real high-scoring competitive game. We might be able to pull these out. These are the games that the Knicks pull out. The games that the Knicks pull out are the games where they have to claw back.

Speaker 3: 57:41

But you've got to pull this one out. If you don't pull this one out, it might be over.

Speaker 2: 57:45

No, no, I'm not going to argue with you if they this is open when we go back to indiana. Anyway, don't get it twisted, we're not surviving too many games in indiana, like. But I wanted to say this yo, last weekend I was, I um, last weekend I put up that astor brown, um moses tatuma, uh uh, nathaniel collins card. I put that up, I put that ticket up. I hope somebody took that ticket yo, cause I was at the window waiting on you. Yo, I was at the window waiting on you with that. I was at the window waiting on you with the Terry Harper, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, maxie Hughes, I was at the window waiting on you guys, man, you gotta get with me. I was at the window waiting on y'all, man, this morning, wednesday morning, um, we got the guy sugar new year's over here. 27 wins, 27 knockouts, one loss fighting in japan against nori rakishi. Nori rakishi is 17 wins with 11 knockouts.

Speaker 1: 58:50

One loss.

Speaker 2: 58:52

This is for a vacant belt right and a lot of people not going to agree with me on this. A lot of people going to go with Sugar Nunez on this, a lot of people going to take the knockout on this. And I just want to warn you about a few things. Rikishi is a hell of a boxer. Sugar Nunez ain't fought a good fighter in five years. Sugar Nunez been fighting people that been 39 and 40, 37 years old for five straight years. Be careful, it is more of a 50-50 fight than you think it is. It is more of a 50-50 fight than you think it is.

Speaker 2: 59:40

Me personally, this morning my money is going on the Japanese man. His fight is in Japan. I think he's a better boxer and I don't think he gives Sugar Nunez the Mexican brawl that he's coming for. Japanese fighters have seen Plenty of Mexican style fighters. Sugar Nunez hasn't been to Japan yet he's been. He came up more or less in that COVID era In boxing. In the COVID era there were a lot of I don't want to say tomato cans, but I want to say there were a lot of I don't want to say tomato cans, but I want to say there were a lot of Unfair bouts, just to keep things entertaining, help build up some names and so on and so forth. And Sugar Nunez, in my opinion, is one of them. Rikishi is plus 175 tonight. Y'all, meet me at the window. Indeed, rikishi is plus 175 tonight.

Speaker 1: 1:00:32

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