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Speaker 2:What's going on world? It's your brother, mikey Fever. Nyp Talk Show Hip Hop Tuesdays with the brothers Shawnee, clip and Trev. We'll be joining us pretty soon. Shout out to my brother, ron Brizown. You know what I'm saying, how you doing, cliff.
Speaker 3:Chilling man, chilling man, maintain it, maintain it.
Speaker 2:Maintain it, maintain it. I hear that, bro. All right, yo, tonight we're going to be talking about all that good stuff. We're talking about Trump's pardon, larry Hoover, dame Dash lawsuit, the Raging shook night. Before we get into all that, haven't seen your brothers in a minute? Man Missed y'all. You know what I'm saying Same part of my language. But missed y'all brothers, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, I know you was handling Some certain personal situations, but you know, as long as everything's good, that's all that matters, man.
Speaker 2:Family. First gotta take care of the family. Hold up, we got Shawnee coming, coming up on here. Shawnee, what up?
Speaker 1:Yo.
Speaker 4:Yo, yo, yo, Mr Wilson. What up G's? I like that. What up Feverz? What's up guys?
Speaker 2:What's up? Man Got the Snoop Dogg on West Coast in the building. Shout out to the West Coast.
Speaker 4:Yo, not for nothing. Clip and Trev hat game is mean bro. I don't know if I'll be paying attention to trev uh, uh, his little walkthroughs that he be doing, but trev game is mean yo no we, we, we, we.
Speaker 3:Originally you got no disrespect to the young era, because I got love for the young kids, but our era created this. That's a fact. We created this wave when fitted hats Was $15.
Speaker 2:That's a fact. $15.
Speaker 4:You want to know what's funny If you come outside and you do something simple I mean real simple, Like how your sneakers match your hat, Something real simple and it's like these kids look at that they be like, hey, yo, like that's crazy. And it's like really Just like matching your sneakers with? Your hat Like really.
Speaker 3:Yo listen, I knew Trev Hat Game was mean when he put one of the pictures in the chat and I seen the colorway. I knew Trev Hat Game was mean when he put one of the pictures in the chat and I seen the colorway.
Speaker 4:I said ooh, yeah, yeah, we were talking about hat games, trev, when you pulled up and I was giving you a clip. Your credit for your hat games, your hat games, is mean that black joint with the Japanese writing in pink is retarded.
Speaker 1:Trev.
Speaker 4:That thing is retarded. Trev, that thing is retarded.
Speaker 1:That was a surprise pickup, because I just went in and I was just seeing stuff and I looked up that shit was over at the top shelf and I was like let me get that.
Speaker 4:I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3:You guys do some good shopping and.
Speaker 4:Clippy pulling up with the exclusive joints that you're not going to really see too often. You know what I'm saying. I haven't seen nobody pull up in none of the hats that I've seen you rock, yet I ain't seen them in the street yet.
Speaker 3:You know, the funny thing about some of my hats is like 15 years old. I can't believe you got them.
Speaker 1:I've been telling my mom she be calling me like yo, you just got that. I be like nah, I had this a while Like I gotta go through the inventory of my hats, but I gotta get rid of some.
Speaker 4:This is why our hairlines is messed up. Open up a store, that's a fact. I used to have braids all the way down my back.
Speaker 2:I don't know what happened. I got the leaves right now, bro. You see the 360s.
Speaker 4:Hey your skull.
Speaker 3:Listen, I got the skull shaver. I'm about to shave my joint.
Speaker 4:Hey, yo Nah that thing. There you get an official one, an official skull saver is a life saver.
Speaker 3:I got one with 9 blades word what you drop on it 40 cash that's not bad.
Speaker 4:I was gonna go get that pitbull joint, the pitbull platinum joint. He just want too much money for it cause he got a pitbull on it he wild it, he want for some. I nah, bro, I ain't got it. Bro, I I I'm nice with a razor, I just get back to it. Yeah, go back to the razor.
Speaker 2:The gillette, that's what I use. Gillette, just put that shade. I gotta go back.
Speaker 4:Hairy the hairy's hairy shave club is I too, and dollar club for men is I too like dollar for men, raz Men is all right too. Dollar Club for Men raises nice yo. Nice and heavy, good weight Yo Now you good, let's get ready too, fellas, let's get it popping All right Trump.
Speaker 3:I got some things about this Larry Hoover situation right All right, let's go.
Speaker 2:So Trump they're saying that Trump is about to pardon Larry Hoover. Did he pardon him? Because I'm hearing complete stories.
Speaker 1:He didn't pardon him. He commuted his sentence. So he was doing four life sentences plus $200 or something like that. So when he was locked up at he can't get no visits, he was super. He was like super mad, like when they say under the jail. He's under the jail Now that he commuted his sentence, meaning he can go into general population, he can see people, he can possibly have visits at this point to see his family Real quick. While we're on that, I think Pistou P is trying to get the same thing done as well. But that's what happened with Larry Hoover. He's not pardoned yet because pardoning means you get to come home. Commuting his sentence is just less than a sentence. Instead of doing the life he got to do the 200 years.
Speaker 3:He's 74 years old. He's still got to do whatever's left from the state.
Speaker 1:He was locked up since like seven-something yeah, so yeah, I mean, he ain't coming home To me.
Speaker 3:he wasn't coming home ever. But my thing about the Larry Hoover thing is why are we praising Larry Hoover at this point? Like, why are we celebrating? As soon as the announcement came out, I seen a bunch of black people celebrating and I'm like yo listen, I ain't got nothing personal against Larry Hoover because I don't know that man personally, but what I do know is that you, he and a few others contributed to the destruction of our communities.
Speaker 3:Granted, he tried to turn political and turn his life around at a certain point, but it's like the damage was already done. You know what I'm saying. So it's like now you may not have done the crime that they convicted you for, right, but you did other. So whatever your karma came up to you came back on you for all that other stuff you was doing all those years back. Granted, we all, back in the day, as young men, we all did some dumb shit. So I'm not going to sit here and try to crucify him. You know what I'm saying. We all did dumb things and made a lot of dumb mistakes. I'm glad that he was able to be conscious enough to realize that he didn't want to do it like that, no more. He wanted to shift what they were doing into politics to try to do something to make a change for the community.
Speaker 2:But the influence was already taken over as far as the negative influence was already cemented so for proper context for the listeners and viewers who don't know, can we go into the history of larry davis?
Speaker 4:but, but, uh, but that would be part of it that would david, but at the same token right this, this three kings, it's not just see. So a lot of what people want to place at larry's feet don't solely belong at larry's feet there's three kings, it's not just him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:You're king yeah, david, david barksdale yeah, and when you and, and, and, and, when you think about it, it's actually two different sets that came together. It's not never was, never was one set. It was. What was it? Gangster Disciples and Black Disciples.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Supreme Gangsters and Black Disciples. It was a peace zone.
Speaker 4:Larry was leading one. No, not Peacestones. They were both some set of disciples at the time. They were small crews.
Speaker 4:They were small crews ahead of time and under certain circumstances, they're forced to link up. So when you see Larry with the mindset of carry the briefcase, don't carry the gun, wear the suit, not the bandana. It wasn't jacked by the other kings, so you, you can't just lay that at his feet, because you got to also look at the after school programs that they put together. And even the other side, even the other side, jeff Fortin, you understand. Now, if you want to talk about somebody who you might deem dangerous, then talk about Jeff Fortin, because he's the one who learned a whole different language and was trying to buy bazookas and so on and so forth. That's different, bro, like that. And then, even when you look at it from that perspective, it's really a freedom fight that just got spin and then blown out of proportion from kids. Yeah, because these are, these are young men at the time, these are not men in their 30s you understand he's a teenager
Speaker 1:you know, I know.
Speaker 4:But I'm just saying, before we play so much at his feet because, like, if it wasn't for him saying, put the gun down and pick up the briefcase, there's a lot of politicians, there's a lot of politicians in Chicago, that was folk. They followed that you get what I'm saying. So, for all of that, he's done so much more good. He's. He's influenced so many more people to empower themselves. You know what I'm saying. So that's why we celebrate him. That's. That's why, like, if he was to come home, I would have been happy about that because oh yeah, I'm past my time.
Speaker 2:Just to add context for the listeners and viewers, those who don't know. Larry David, as they say you know, came to Chicago and got caught up in the whole street thing because you know there were many gangs back then. That's something that America had. Just like politicians, like Republican Democrats, it was a group of kids in the ghetto that were trying to find their way. That's what I was alluding to with the corruption in politics in Chicago. They banded together to protect the neighborhoods from robberies and such like that. It sounds similar to the Panther story.
Speaker 1:It is similar. That's where the gang culture comes from. It comes from the Panther story, where we got to protect our hood.
Speaker 2:So they started these organizations and you know, truth became a bigger thing. They were getting grants from the government to build the community as well on Jeff Ford's site, and that money got mismanaged. That money got mismanaged and it went into street enterprises and then from there it just grew out to something that they couldn't control no more.
Speaker 4:Is it mismanaged or was it attacked?
Speaker 1:I think it was influenced. You got to look at it like this. Chicago at the time was also one of the poorest states. Back then we had Cabrini Green. Like what we saw on Good Times was Chicago. So if you didn't know about Chicago, you can literally on. Good Times was Chicago. So if you didn't know about Chicago, you can literally watch Good Times and get the gist of what Chicago was. So at one point it becomes survival.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, just like the drugs.
Speaker 1:The drugs always became a part of survival Because when you're young you really couldn't work, so you started hustling and helped pay bills. But then it becomes a thing where you're in it now and it's after it goes. It goes from survival to maintenance, to lifestyle, you know. And then once you're caught in that lifestyle, it's like I can't leave now because I am the sole provider. I I've been doing this since 12, 13, 14 years old, taking care of the family. I'm 17 now. I can drive, I bought a house, I can do whatever I want. I can't leave because I have no skills.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? That goes across the board in all cities. It's just what happens with Chicago and gang culture. It's just like all right. It's just what happens with Chicago and gang culture. It's just like all right, cool, we protected our. We started just with the mission, but now it's like, oh shit, we are too deep. We are basically in too deep to where we can't even stop the growth, because now we done bought shit like cars, clothes. Now the younger generation is looking at that like, oh snap, I don't have to go to school to do this, I can go outside and get blah, blah, blah for a couple of hours. I can get the car, I can help moms, I can do this, and then it becomes just lifestyle, and then you can get to where what it really started, as you know what I'm saying. So that's where we get caught up in.
Speaker 2:So the question is do you think him coming home will be beneficial for the community? Yeah, how?
Speaker 4:What can he do? That's where I agree with Clip at right. Yeah, what do you expect a 74-year-old man to do? What do you expect a 74 year old man to do? What do you?
Speaker 2:expect him to do you expect him taking that?
Speaker 4:do you think that exactly? Do you think that you? You think that those lessons that had a problem being passed down in the time period where they were the most necessary survived to 2025? I doubt it no, I doubt it, no, I doubt it.
Speaker 2:Not that the country's not funny, but the way people are celebrating, like dudes are happy, like yo, he's coming home, this and that. I'm wondering are you just happy that he's coming out of prison or are you going to try to go back to see if he could correct that A lot of those is his homies, bro.
Speaker 4:A lot of those is old men. And then think about it. A lot of those men are not even in their 70s. They've been in their 50s. So those is men that is crying. There's somebody that they looked up to is coming home.
Speaker 4:That's different, bro that's not nobody saying y'all, I think he gonna do this, so I think he's gonna. He gonna save the people. That that's not that. That's. My man is home, bro, and he did a lot for me and I know what he did for the people around him and I know him getting railroaded like that was some nonsense and he finally got a chance to. That's what that is, because there's no way in the world that you feel he can have any control over the youth.
Speaker 4:I'm going to be honest with you when it comes to that type of thing, it only take one or two people who want the power. That's all it take to disrupt the goal. That's all it take. One or two people who want the power. Someone can get into your ear. It could be one of these, bro. It could be WP. Get in your ear, white Power, get in your ear. I could make you the king. You the one who should be doing this, you the one that should be doing that. Knock, knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Let me ask you this though Do you think I do, you think I'm gonna just say this across the board do you think the youth and the gang culture and this is across the board, statewide respect or really think that he really has that much influence to come out and say, I'm like, or do you even think they respect him to say like yo, listen, I'm gonna come out here? I doubt he, if he does get committed, commuted um, get part on my phone and says, yo, I want this block back, I want to go back to old block, I want to do this, I'm gonna do that. Do you think that you're really going to respect him because he has?
Speaker 1:a name, because he is still Larry Hoover, the name, the person. But is his influence still impactful for Chicago to say you know what, you can walk down you good, you know what I'm saying and be respected like you are the king.
Speaker 4:I don't think that and I don't even think that he'd be on some type of time like that. I don't think he's on like that. What's his name? What's his name? Is on that type of time? What's the guy's name? The guy that just came home and he wanted to be in everybody's face, the BMF duel? Yeah, he's not like that. He's not that kind of a guy. He's not that kind of a guy like he's not that kind of a like he. He's not in it for a big jewelry entry, not in it for that, like he really?
Speaker 4:he really no, but I'm just saying, if you, if you look at what he was about then and then you see what he came out and he's still about that now to the point where he got to get his son chain. He got got to do this, he got to make sure he got this big, big bag. He got to be in your face. It's like it just didn't change.
Speaker 2:You forgot that part. Shawnee Him smiling every time He'd be like this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, showing him. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He got me too, so that's what it changed from. I ain't even mad at him about that, but his son though. His son was more infatuated with bmf than meach was, because meach was, like I already did this like, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:He is that, though, so he can't be more infatuated with it than the person who created it. You know what I'm saying. And then came back home after being years and years away from it and just had to have it again. You know what I'm saying. And then came back home after being years and years away from it and just had to have it again. You know what I'm saying? I'm I'm painting a picture of street leaders and ideologies that guide them.
Speaker 4:Right, because you need to do that, because that's going to split off after a minute. Right, you're going to have one that's really about the destruction. You're going to be one that's going to use what's destructing the people around to try to clarify things. So that's why I'm saying no, I don't believe that he'd even come home on that twist, because, sitting out of the society for a couple of years, you can see how the society has changed. It deteriorated a lot clearer than somebody within it, you know. So you, coming into it knowing, knowing you 74, knowing the thing you created, got so far. I got out of your control when you was in control, so now you're not thinking about that anything when that one's that clip.
Speaker 3:That's a fact right there I agree with shawnee, like what do we expect? What are we expecting from this older gentleman? This would all do respect. Like I said, I don't have nothing against Larry Hoover. I don't have nothing against the GDs or the folks or any of them BDs, gds, whatever. I just feel like we got to stop celebrating the wrong stuff as a community Facts. We already know that it's out of control at this point. How do we round it up and change the mindset of these kids and gangs and adults and gangs? Because nowadays it seems like gang culture is like black culture exactly, and black culture is not gang culture and it's starting to feel like all we care about is gang culture. Nowadays, everything is an op, Everything is my flag, everything is what I rep Dog, how about we rep just being black?
Speaker 4:The flag. It was job born with. Right the flag, the color you got to fly just walking down the street right.
Speaker 1:Exactly. I think the word culture has been taken out of context.
Speaker 2:Talk about it, say that again, I want to say five years.
Speaker 4:I'm turning you up on that note.
Speaker 1:I really think the word, I thought about it. I think the word culture is used out of context for so long. I agree with you, Cliff. Everything is the word culture and it's looking at black, Even when you look at music. The culture of hip-hop was to be original, to be authentic, to be. It was something to get you out of your situation and to talk about your situation, and that was the culture of hip hop.
Speaker 4:That was before rap was even a part of hip hop. Before rap was a part of hip hop.
Speaker 1:Exactly Because every I want to say state, because when you look at rap as a culture, when you look at hip hop as a culture, n when you look at hip-hop as the culture, nwa, they had a story to tell. You know, I'm saying new york, we had a story to tell you know, I'm saying so. It was like these are the messages, this is what we're seeing and this is what we're trying to get out of now. When you see, when you, when they talk about the culture, it's like, like you said, now we got the GS9. You got the gang culture, you got the drill culture and it's killing the culture for real. We're not really respecting the culture for what it is, for what it's worth. It's dead. And to say everything is we are all involved in this culture. No, we're not, because I can tell you like this, because we grew up. We may have grown up on the same block and the same hood, but we ain't all from the same household.
Speaker 2:The principles have changed. And what's so dope about what you guys said about the culture? I agree with. Everything is the narrative. Somebody's dictating your culture for you.
Speaker 4:That's what I wanted to shoot.
Speaker 2:I I really I really wanted to shoot that shot. I was really contemplating this hold on, I got you, I got you, gonna get you. Look at it, they dictated our culture for us, like from gangster, like when we had hip-hop, we had public enemy. And wa came about to tell their stories as well, because we know we want to shun people out for telling their stories. But corporation heads saw it as very lucrative. So push that out, everything that we make things cool. So you see shows like Love and Hip Hop and all these other reality shows with all the ignorance. They see that you know what the ratings are going up. It's what the people like.
Speaker 3:They're going to go for that with that.
Speaker 2:I hate to say it. They dumb you down to a point where they'll be like you know what your culture is. This. You like ratchetness. You like loud, ignorant things. You don't like to be logical, be emotional. People will tell you juice it up or do this and that or get live. They don't understand what that means. What happened to being articulate Go?
Speaker 3:ahead. The funny thing about our societies and this social media culture today is that we champion all the ignorance and then call people stupid when they get arrested for the ignorance.
Speaker 2:Facts.
Speaker 1:But you know what Can I add on to that real quick? Because what you said about, what Mike said about love and hip hop love and hip hop started out as just seeing the girls to the rappers. Right, it took a whole spin to win. Everything is I'm chasing the bag, the money just going out of this world with it, to the point where love and hip-hop turned into baddies and you got zeus and you got bad girl club and all of that yeah, yeah, and you got all that.
Speaker 1:And then now it's now let's separate just the entertainment, because it was entertainment, because you had Chrissy, you had Emily and you never really saw these women before. You never saw DMX's wife, who was? You know who they was dating. So now it's like, now that they got the fame and attention, you know, can you freeze Culture? They use culture, culture, culture, culture, culture. And it's not Everything, is not culture, everything ain't even culture. With this culture. At this point you can't even say this is culture, because we came from women who respected themselves and was looked at differently back then. You know what I'm saying. So now, when you say, oh, this is the culture, this is what they like. We don't like this, but this is what they're settling for.
Speaker 1:And now we're making the youth and I want to say young adults, and when I say young adults I mean 30 to 35, saying, well, I don't have to go to school, I can possibly be on Zeus and I could throw drinks at you and I can get the bag and I can do a host in it. Realize, my girl, you really dumbing yourself down and it's like that ain't culture, because our culture was never that. We come from a whole lineage of kings and queens for real.
Speaker 2:That's funny.
Speaker 4:Rip Pause. That's funny. When do you think the culture died? Because a lot of people think the hip-hop culture, a lot of people think it died in the 2000s or like 2006.
Speaker 3:Hip-hop the culture died the moment. The culture died the moment that we sold our pride and our morality. Okay, so now?
Speaker 4:now, cliff got the other hammer. When we about to shoot, cliff got the other hammer. We about to shoot, clip got the other hammer.
Speaker 1:The culture died. You see what I'm saying the culture died.
Speaker 4:The culture died when we sold it out Right the minute the culture left the street, when everything was listen, I'm going down to Delancey, I'm going to get fresh.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to.
Speaker 4:Delancey, I'm going to get fresh. I'm just going to be outside fresh. What are you talking about? I got the shirling Huh, I'm mean out here and I went downtown to get fresh up. I came back uptown. What's up Now? We got the events. We throwing little block parties, people coming all the way from Brooklyn. It ain't no cell phones.
Speaker 2:It ain't no Twitter, it ain't no YouTube. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:We got people coming from Queens, people coming from Brooklyn Coming to the dirty Bronx in the 70s. That was the culture we needed it for the escapism purposes.
Speaker 3:The culture of hip-hop is. The culture of hip-hop was birthed from New York City gangs getting tired of the violence and unify each other to do something positive and speak against the system that was oppressing us to begin with Talk about it, that's the culture of hip-hop.
Speaker 2:Creativity and culture.
Speaker 1:We gotta stop disrespecting the Bronx. I'm gonna say that. Nah, nah nah, I'm just saying when I'm saying dirty.
Speaker 2:Bronx, I mean at that time.
Speaker 4:I'm from the Bronx. This Bronx, life or no life, tell him Shorty.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you, because the Bronx was the creator of the hip-hop culture and it has to be the most respected borough. Now we call it the dirty Bronx. We got to stop that because I'm from the Bronx and it's not dirty about.
Speaker 2:It is dirty.
Speaker 1:Because when I'm in Bronx there's no hip-hop and I'm from the Bronx and I'm like I hate looking at it like that. I don't even know where the fat. Like you said, everybody had their fashion, their style and you can tell Bronx, queens, brooklyn, manhattan, staten Island was just that's why I love all.
Speaker 4:That's why I love Rakim right, Because Rakim seen it coming right.
Speaker 1:He seen it coming.
Speaker 4:He got adopted in Brooklyn Yo exactly, but what I'm trying to say is, you see, when they seen that the aura was taking over Because, listen, at the end of the day, they watching from the outside, looking in. This is what I was trying to draw. They watch from the outside, looking in, right, so you can look at the culture and see how it's developing and then see how you can control it. It wasn't even that difficult. It wasn't that difficult.
Speaker 4:It was like all right right, y'all like that right, y'all like this, y'all like that, y'all like the third. And then it's like, okay, when people started, like, when people started rapping, like a lot of I ain't gonna lie some of them raps was super duper trash, um, um, um, no, no, no, for real, it didn't grow into something. No, let's be honest with ourselves. Some of that joint was trash and some of it was fire and that's what kind of started to help it to develop. But what I'm trying to say is when they were sitting back and listening and they're like, okay, y'all talking about this, y'all talking about that.
Speaker 4:Okay, so this is a movement about self-empowerment and escapism. Right, that's what this is for, y'all right, okay, back, take this, take this, um, take this pendant rap, take this pendant rap. Now remember dashiki rap, fist in the air, rap, take that right. And then we're gonna, we're gonna, slim that down on you, we're gonna bring that into the street. We're gonna, we're gonna find poem, we're gonna find poets that it's gonna be easy to, to take the, the, the, the route like we are like with, like nas, right, it's easy to go from, it's easy to go from meli, mel to nas.
Speaker 2:Oh, god, it's the first real rapper. This is my point. It's easy, it's easy, that's an easy point.
Speaker 4:It's easy, that's an easy transition. Then now we in the projects, now we in the projects. Now we transition to Capone Nori.
Speaker 1:I think I'm going to add on to that because when you think about it, I think at the time that you're talking with Melly Mel and the message that right there that particular song was like, I want to say the growth from popcorn rap to like lyrics and like somewhat.
Speaker 4:I know, but I'm trying to make the point though, like I'm trying to make the point of control. Right, I'm trying to make the point of control.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was no real control then, because it was still brand. It wasn't even 10 years old.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I see what you're saying the effect of that record how people responded to what they're right is how is they're pushing it in this direction? And I'm trying to show you how it went from that control. It went from that that we needed and it came down to nas. And then it comes down and it gets rorer, and it gets rorer and it gets rorer to the point where now this is all you hear when they start. I'm gonna tell you, when they started, when hip-hop started becoming personal, hip-hop then used to be personal. When rappers started telling you you was broke. That happened in like 94, 95, when the data. So that was never a part of the culture. So now it's an assault and that's what I would. That's what I was getting to, right.
Speaker 4:So now let's take away the individuality of people through the music, because this is what y'all like, right? This is what y'all claim, right? So now I'm gonna take away individuality from y'all. Y'all all gonna sound alike. Matter of fact, I'm gonna even slim down what y'all wear. Y'all gonna wear rocker wear, y'all gonna wear sean john, and if y'all live on staten island, y'all gonna wear rocker wheel, y'all gonna wear sean john, and if y'all live on staten island, y'all gonna wear wool wheel.
Speaker 1:This is this is what I'm talking about from the outside, looking in and being able to control the things that people are inside and just enjoying so real quick, because I feel like this I understand what you're saying about control, but I, you know, we was around that and I felt like what I was seeing and we all looked at it differently, but when I, when I look at Nas, when I looked at Jake, when I looked at Puff, you know, I saw, I saw individuality within all three of those people. I saw individuality within all three of those people, because I saw I looked at puff.
Speaker 1:I looked even even let's go, let's go to um Russell Simmons, because Russell Simmons, to me, was like the godfather of the entrepreneurship when it came to them being more business minded. Now, granted, Cole was already in the street. You know what I'm saying. Puff came from the industry. He was literally a student of the game. So when I saw Rockaway, when I saw Sean John, it just it didn't look like control to me, it looks like individuality to me.
Speaker 4:Okay but, now let's look at the people who are doing it though I have my own.
Speaker 2:Before we go any further. We could build on that all day because there's a lot of perspectives. We got to talk about this Dane Dash lawsuit. What's going on with our man, dane yo?
Speaker 1:He's living check to check like we are.
Speaker 2:That's a fact he's living check to check like we are he's living big check to big check, you don't think he's living big check to big check. He's rich people broke what. What's like?
Speaker 1:I think he need to go on welfare at this point no telling him like sam, you have to sell this to be able to survive. When they start telling you it is, it goes from, it's like your mom's, one of you like, listen, you're gonna hurt yourself, stop doing that, you're gonna hurt yourself. And then what happened? You going to hurt yourself. And then what happened? You fall, you hurt yourself. You get up and say I told you. When they start telling you they gave you the option, ok, we're going to sell you a portion of Rockefeller, you should be able to get out the dirt at this point with this. Nobody wants Rockefeller. Ok, jay-z, the only one who really wants it.
Speaker 1:And when I saw Dane, with the whole yo. You can buy my piece, my portion of it, and I'll give you a chain Fam. Nobody cares about the chain, nobody cares about the music, your portion. When they start telling you okay, who, these are your assets and this is what it's worth. You have to sell this, unless, if you don't, you're going to be with them dudes, back on 140th Street with the 40 wolves and the rest of them, because it's time, it's over. Your glory days are done.
Speaker 1:I have a question what is the amount for?
Speaker 2:his lawsuit and what is his portion of Rockefeller 11?. Your glory days are done. I'm not watching the movie. Nothing Go ahead. What is the amount for his lawsuit and what is his portion of Rockefeller left?
Speaker 3:$10 million, $10 million for the lawsuit right? Me personally. I think Dame is not broke. I don't think Dame. I think that's just the businesses that we know about. I think Dame has other businesses and other people's names that is not being spoken upon that we know about. I think Dame has other businesses and other people's names that is not being spoken upon. I just think that for this particular situation in this lawsuit, they're seizing his assets. That's in his name. Exactly that's how.
Speaker 4:I feel I can see what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I can see what you're saying and having some truth to it because Dame been playing this game of America way too long for him not to have some type of backup plan, like he's already been chased out of America once, and even when he did that and he was in China and he made Blue Rock. It goes to show that you can't stop, alright. So we know Dame does this. This is one of Dame's hustles. Dame creates small companies and then he sells them, like that's another one of his hustles.
Speaker 1:To me that was when Dame had like his lane was still good.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, this wasn't when Dame was still good. He had lots of small companies like.
Speaker 1:Poppin', I remember that, but this is when Dane still had some type of clout.
Speaker 2:He had Dusko, that wine he had.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about small, like you guys heard of Poppin'.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember he had Poppin'.
Speaker 4:Yeah, small companies. That was a notebook company, like you know what I'm saying, so he had he had quiet business with Karma Loop, with Kanye West yeah.
Speaker 4:So he does these little small ventures that I'm sure he done peeled the dial off of this, peeled it and then gave it. If he wasn't able to sell it, like you were saying, clip, it's best for him to yo hold this down because I don't know. I don't know when they coming for me. I know they coming, I just don't know when you hold this down. You hold that down like it makes sense to me for him to have that foresight. But I think when your teeth fall out on TV during an interview, it's hard for people.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying this is why a lot of people think he's broke. Because, it's hard for you to say, yo, now I got money, and then your joints fall out. It's like, do you really Like?
Speaker 3:you know what I'm saying? No, yeah, because the general public perception is a rich man wouldn't have his teeth fall now. But you got to remember Dane Dash is very high-level diabetic, so that's going to happen. But people that haven't reached this age yet to understand that eventually all of our teeth is going to fall out.
Speaker 1:How old?
Speaker 3:is.
Speaker 1:Dane. Dash Dane is 57, to fall out. How old is Dame Dash? Dame is about 57, maybe 58.
Speaker 3:He's still so young man.
Speaker 4:He got so much accomplished, Jeez man.
Speaker 3:I think Dame is in his 50s. I know that for a fact.
Speaker 2:Because Hove should be still young, so as Sean said, Hove has been playing this American game for a while.
Speaker 3:So Dame is 54 years old Right.
Speaker 2:He's a king businessman playing America for a long time and he had many businesses right and you know, let's not forget, I want the people to go after him, but I know he had businesses with Kanye and he's rich. People broke not like ghetto people, like us in the hood. He has money. People got to understand when somebody claims bankruptcy whatsoever, it doesn't mean that you're poor. That means that you can't touch what I have. That's it. You can't touch that. I'm filing bankruptcy because Trump did it numerous times. You can't touch.
Speaker 3:What I have the thing is this is that, when it comes to business, they're not seizing Dave's property, they're not seizing his bank accounts, they're seizing his LLCs.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 3:Okay, a lot of times when you're dealing with the type of money that Dame has seen over the years, the man's seen over $100 million, easily Easily seen over $100 million. You hear it from Cam and them Dame got so much bread, they've got houses that we've, we that the the property is just ridiculous. Like and dame a clown, you, like, you can't afford this. They said at one point dame was spending money every day. It wasn't like he wouldn't wear the same outfit twice ever that's the hall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's just ridiculous. But Dame is not. I keep People be thinking that Dame is not Smart. No, he's not Popping in hip hop, no more.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, he's not popping in hip hop culture.
Speaker 3:In hip hop mainstream culture. Anymore, that don't stop me from getting bread.
Speaker 4:Yo God bless you Out there. If you think Dame. Yo God bless you out there. If you think Dame is a dummy, God bless you.
Speaker 2:God bless you.
Speaker 4:I pray for you. If you think that about Dame, I pray for you.
Speaker 2:He has Dash Motors right the oil company.
Speaker 3:He got Dash Motors nobody ever talks about. He got a bunch of stuff, quietly it's like that wine, Dusko. He can't get most of his money from other ventures like laundromats and in waffle houses and all this other stuff donuts money.
Speaker 4:Yeah, cam ben, cam ben, side hustling like like you say where you think he got that side hustle mentality from where you think who you think he got that and who you think he learned to not talk about none of that stuff from.
Speaker 3:It's like Rick Ross, right, rick Ross owns 27 Wingstops.
Speaker 2:Yep I hate him.
Speaker 3:I don't have to rap. I do this because I want to you get to a certain level and you've been stacking your brand and putting in other investments. We don't have to rap.
Speaker 2:You don't, you don't.
Speaker 1:Now you see Ross with all the car cleaning kits and the wheel and the rim cleaner. You're right, he doesn't have to. And you're right Because of public perception. You know we look at Dame Dash as like broke to us. I mean, I dame dash was definitely, uh, I want to say a mentor to me, influence to me, because what they did as far as music, clothing to me they were the real influencers when it came to everything about the culture, when it was the real culture hip hop, street fashion, entrepreneurship, individuality. Like they had every base covered in Rockefeller, you know, with and then when they. Then when they added the Chicago kid Kanye with and then when they. Then, when they added the chicago kid kanye, they took it so far left that I don't even think they knew where they was going when they signed him.
Speaker 4:You know that's what I was talking about. Like as far as like, like, when I was saying, like controller things, right, I'm like you got to look at the people who had the clothing labels and then you have to look at who they're underneath. That's what I was talking. That's what I said like I'm talking about who's? No, no, no, I'm just. I'm just reiterating what I'm talking about. I just want people to understand how deep the control is. That's it.
Speaker 1:I just I want people to understand that part, because that's the part that's going to so I get what you're saying about control, but in the way I looked at it was when I look at it like this you had the four people who wasn't trying to be controlled anymore Russell Simmons, jay-z Nas Puff I think Russell Simmons was the one who everybody emulated as far as entrepreneurship and basically stepping out on their own.
Speaker 4:What I'm saying is who Russ got to go to to get Russ got to go someplace. To get Russ got to go someplace to get money.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm talking about. Russ went to the street. Russ don't got to go.
Speaker 4:Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:You talking about once he went corporate.
Speaker 4:Exactly. Russ don't got to go someplace to get money. Russ don't got partners Like let's.
Speaker 1:He definitely has partners. But what I'm saying, I'm not saying you're wrong. What I'm saying, what I saw, is these four brothers who started like, yes, they all have partners, right. But when it came to the other avenues the fashion world, the comedy, the liquors they look to me, they show that I don't want. I understand business. Now, hope understands business. You need these partners. Russell understands business, he needs these partners. What I'm saying is the control aspect of it is like, okay, cool, you want control, that's fine, how much control do you want? And if you want like, okay, cool, you want control, that's fine, how much control do you want? And if you want control, well, let me bring my people in, because Russell brought in his brother. Russell went to TV and he said it I'm not talking about that kind of control.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about control over the people that listen and control over the people. I'm going to control. What you wear is what I'm saying. What I mean is this you, you, you come up to a certain place in music. We're already using music to control your people. This is what we're doing right. So now, what I'm saying is I like the way you do it. Matter of fact, I like the way you do it so much I'm gonna cut you in on the other part, right, because now, when we're doing it, when we're when they're turning, a part of turning the culture into the industry is commercial hip-hop, is it not when we start rapping about buy this, buy that, buy?
Speaker 3:the third. That's what right right.
Speaker 4:So that's not the culture. The culture is not us spending money. We made the culture because we were trying to save money. So the culture is not us spending the money to achieve a certain look that's been designed for you, when, in hip hop, you had to go search for what you wanted to wear.
Speaker 1:I got what he's saying. It's a culmination of this.
Speaker 4:It's aism. And the people who are giving you the big checks to let you move up, the people who are giving you the money so you can sign these artists, and so on and so forth, the people you partnering up with. Their interest lies in controlling the folk.
Speaker 3:You know what I like, how you do that, yeah, I get what you're saying, because Def Jam is not Universal Universal is the one that controls everything.
Speaker 2:Right, right and.
Speaker 4:Universal is the one who give them. And what does Universal? And then just ride. Just vibe with me for a second. What does Universal do Universal universally? Yeah, they give them the check, but they really control the way people ride. Just vibe with me for a second. What does universal do universal universally? Yeah, they give them the check, but they really control the way people think. They control what you see, they control what you see on the television they control what you're going to take in for entertainment.
Speaker 4:Huh, how many people nowadays look at movies and say, yo, I see truth, I see truism in movies, small truism and a lot of us think that they put truisms in movies. Universal is responsible for that.
Speaker 2:Columbia.
Speaker 4:Pictures is responsible for that. Viacom is responsible. So when I'm talking about control, that's what I mean, not dumb dudes trying to be individuals.
Speaker 2:Shawnee. I agree with what you said 100% and I understood what he was saying with that aspect. So you know what. Get out of here with them hearts bro. I understand what Shawnee. I know what Shawnee and Look at these dudes. I know what Shawnee. And Clip was what Shawnee and Trevor's saying Trevor's talking about. You know getting the money and bringing my brothers in. That's cool. You can bring your own corporations in, but you still got to make deals with those people to say I'm going to allow you to do that.
Speaker 4:I'm the gatekeeper. When they turn you into a culture.
Speaker 3:To me there was only one artist who had control and they killed that Two, not even for hip-hop, just in general. Prince Michael Jackson, hey yo Yo listen.
Speaker 4:You know, when MJ knew he was out of here. Right, I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2:MJ said when he put out this this is my last tour. He said this is my last tour. We didn't put up this. This is my last tour. He said this is my last one. This is the last one.
Speaker 3:This is it? I'm hanging with the Nation of Islam. They already trying to come and get me. Yeah, yo.
Speaker 4:Another one too. Yo, he did the hold on real quick. He did the interview right right with the people and he told them yo, when I'm done, I'm gonna own 52 percent of sony.
Speaker 3:What he did was he bought the beatles catalog catalog because he bought their catalog and their publishing. Sony wanted that publishing so bad that they were willing to give him 50% of the music entire music industry's publishing for that one Beatles catalog.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 4:He put that on the fly too. He put it on the fly.
Speaker 3:He didn't take his royalty money. Mike didn't take his royalties. He was like I can have that royalties. He got all his bread from touring, so he took that tour money that he stacked up. He was getting millions upon millions of shows. So it was like I'm going to take this tour money and then I'm going to what's it called the Beatle? What's my man? What's my man? Paul McCartney.
Speaker 2:Paul. Mccartney, paul McCartney, paul McCartney is the one who told him about. He's crazy. Yo Hold on.
Speaker 4:He bought it off of him right after that conversation. He made the phone call right after the Yo. What y'all worth oh what. Hold on, Shorty.
Speaker 2:This is what he was in trouble After. He did that. It's just the audacity of him to say Tony Montola is the devil, but this is it. We hit the whole hand gesture.
Speaker 3:This is it.
Speaker 2:After that, when he hears stories with Nas and them saying they all met Prince, a lot of rappers, and they said I could do a song with you. He said do you own your masters? They said no, we can't do a song. My man went on an award show with a symbol on his face. They say, prince, you putting out a new album. He said I'm putting the album out as a form of for me to know it's Prince. He did that album. He did all his songs over All the songs he had out. He did it over again over some different tunes and sold. You know what I'm saying. So it's all about like you have to outsmart these niggas when they come at you with these deals. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3:When you outsmart them they find ways to kill you. Remember we talk about these corporations that pay for doctors, they pay for cops, they pay for all of these people. They pay for media. They pay for everything to tarnish you and make you look crazy. They tried to get Mike out of here with the predator. The predator with kids. Fbi did a 10-year investigation on this man and found zero evidence of any pedophilia.
Speaker 1:Now check this out. You remember what are we talking about.
Speaker 2:Do y'all remember?
Speaker 1:the backstage movie and Dane was flipping on Kevin Liles talking about you're a border border. Now just think about it. I know in school one of the things they taught about was percentage and that to own a business or to be the majority stake owner, you had to have 51% of the company to be the determining factor and the decision maker.
Speaker 1:So, just if Michael Jackson owned 52, who was? He was smart enough to say listen, I don't want just 51%, you got to give me the extra 1%, the 52. And that 1% made a whole lot of difference from them saying, from them to even agree to say you got it. Like, just think about just him saying I want this extra percent, but his catalog.
Speaker 3:Mike's catalog in itself was worth a billion dollars. Just think about him saying I want this extra percent. But here's the thing His catalog, mike's catalog in itself was worth a billion dollars.
Speaker 4:Exactly. You know what's the funny part, though? The minute he said I want 52, and they said, yeah, they knew they was going to kill him. It was like, oh yeah, you can get 60% if you want, bro, yeah.
Speaker 2:But before we move on.
Speaker 2:we're about to move to the next right and I'm going to make this one last thing before we move on. When Jay tried to get title in 2013, what happened? Elevator situation getting kicked by Solange right. When title came up right, remember that Puff not agreeing with what Puff did to crimes. But when Puff said, told Ciroc and them, yo, I put all the cells in that Sean was saying I made the culture look good by promoting Ciroc. Here's my new Darion drink, rick, whatever it's called. All right, nigga, here's your sex life out of here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, roll it up, here's your walking papers, papa you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:He'll put you on punishment real quick. Yo yeah, so what was it? It was Salaam versus who was that?
Speaker 2:tequila. That what's the favorite Darion, whatever he had Peace Crip Jesus.
Speaker 1:Peace J-Pack. George Clooney is the face of it.
Speaker 2:Casa Amigos.
Speaker 1:Tequila Right he was. They started promoting that when Puff started doing all his super winning and all they said all right, cool, George Clooney is going to be the face of this tequila and we're going to just basically X you out.
Speaker 3:And then years later here, we go. You think you're going to stop a billion dollar liquor brand?
Speaker 4:Yeah, You'll never make that. You'll never make that money and you'll never make this money in two lifetimes. Like, let's be real Some of that money is old, like liquor money, alcohol money. That's old money, bro. You'll never this power, this, not even money, scrap this power. It's not money, it's power.
Speaker 3:It's power, this is power. They're not even right, right.
Speaker 4:This is foreign power, bro. What are you talking about? What you, what you? So you put us on the map in america, bro. This brand is gonna sell when you die, when we die, our kids are pushing. What are you talking about, like? What is this short stop that you talking about?
Speaker 1:We never talking about liquor right Slaves created, hooch which is liquor and somehow it got mixed up and stolen, but they made hooch from potato skins.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but hooch and alcohol, though, like you're making hooch, but that means that there was alcohol around.
Speaker 1:That was the first alcohol and we created it. That was the first bootlegging system and somehow we don't have control of the liquor company.
Speaker 3:We don't have control of nothing we created.
Speaker 4:I don't think that, guys, guys, guys.
Speaker 2:Hold on Before we go any further, because we're pressed for time. What the fuck happened to the Knicks man? Nothing. Hold on Before we go any further, because you know we're pressed for time. What the fuck?
Speaker 4:happened to the Knicks man? Nothing, bro, like nothing.
Speaker 1:We just lost in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 4:Finals Nah, nah, nah, nah nah, hold on, hold on. Let's not harp on the squad. We did good this year. Come on now.
Speaker 4:Yo you know all the injuries we had to deal with. Yo, I'm talking about from preseason. We had a pretty decent bench put together, right, we would have been able to have even minute distribution this year we would have but a lot of people got injured in the preseason and then we had to go right back to playing like how we played last year, that's all, and we did well 50 wins, 50-plus. Played last year, that's all, and we did well 50 wins, 50-plus wins. This year. We just lost to a better team. Yeah, we just lost to a better team, that's it.
Speaker 1:I don't think they lost. I think the Knicks ran out of gas because they could have won. If they would have won at least two of them beginning games in the Garden, we would have been in the finals. And I'm not a Stone Cold New York Knicks fan, but I'm a New Yorker and I really looked at them and said y'all ran out of gas because some of y'all just didn't, Some of y'all gave up and just didn't keep the momentum going, a lot of y'all didn't have the Mamba mentality, the LeBron mentality when he was, when he was 3-1 with Golden State.
Speaker 1:That's all but the Knicks. Definitely after this summer, josh Hart playing 42 minutes, a game bro 80s like 75.
Speaker 4:Yo first is for. Josh Hart is a true warrior bro. He didn't sit out too many games this year and he played 40-something minutes a game. Yo, the top five people in minutes in the NBA this season, it all went to the Knicks. The all top five who played the most minutes through point guard, through center, all went to the Knicks. But that's another thing. Okay, this year we coming back, it's going to be no more Tom Thibodeau I think we was talking about Mark Jackson. I was liking that vibe. I was really liking that vibe. I was really liking that vibe. Bring him home.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say this I personally feel Mark Jackson needs to be a coach. Nba needs to stop blackballing him. Make him a coach and let him go grab Rob Strickland as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4:And blow New York back up, bring it back home and let it flourish again. Yo, you know what else I didn't like real quick. I know we press, I know we press people, but I'm going to wrap this.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, I just want to talk about a few fights and then I'm out of here. I didn't like how, all of a sudden, now pat poulsen and joey badass and in in in buster rhymes and swiss beats, now y'all want to make a new york knicks song when, when the knicks was down, uh, uh, three, one. Now y'all want to make a song. Now y'all straight jacking. Why y'all ain't make a song when we was in Detroit going through it. We needed it then. Why you ain't make that song? Why you ain't make the song when we was going through it with Boston?
Speaker 3:Because you ain't believe in your city Before the playoffs even started.
Speaker 4:Exactly why you ain't when you knew we was going to make the playoffs, why you ain't make the soon end. You want to wait till we almost out of here. Exactly, Pat. Y'all want to wait till we almost out of here and try to squeeze every penny. I ain't like that, Joe Yo.
Speaker 1:I ain't like that at all yo.
Speaker 4:That was trash.
Speaker 1:I don't even remember Buster Brown Out of control.
Speaker 2:What up.
Speaker 1:I don't like that I know, fat Joe. You can always count on Fat Joe. Jada Joe Button, cece Sabathia, which is a peck-out. You can see that from a 50 cent. I've yet to really see Busta Rhymes Pat Pooh. I don't ever see Joey Badass outside of Raising Canaan.
Speaker 2:So I don't know he's unique. Unique is chilling.
Speaker 4:When you started coming to the game. No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1:Joey Badass. I thought come on, fam, you in Queens Raising Canaan, Get out the garden, bust around. He told them get out the garden, bust around, go back on tour. You a slip, don't get the fucking outfit. You know Swiss. Every now and again I see him come out, but the Stone Cold New York fans are Fat Joe, jada, joe Budden, cece, sabathia, peck Eyes. 50 Cent is definitely going to. You know he got a seat there.
Speaker 4:He's going to pop out. Yeah, he's going to pop out.
Speaker 1:Matter of fact, when Puff was Puff, he was in New York.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a fact. Before, puff was a hot.
Speaker 4:Ayo, yo. I was listening to the Punisher talk yo that interview is hilarious yo. It clarifies a lot of stuff though, but it's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Why can't I ask that question, man, yo, yo, yo yo.
Speaker 4:So Saturday hey yo Yo Killer's gonna go down in history, yo killer don't go down in history.
Speaker 1:He said tell me how the box was. Was it good what?
Speaker 4:Is that yo dump wallet at? We're from 140 of B.
Speaker 3:What's the box called?
Speaker 1:Did you hit it or not? Yo, killing it.
Speaker 2:He asked about 50 to B mom. I'm like why would he ask? That Was Daphne.
Speaker 4:Yo, yo, that's what I want you yo, kim is going that this is why we have to preserve the culture, right, because you got guys like kim. Then if we don't preserve it, these kind kind of things will get forgotten. Yo, there's these moments of greatness.
Speaker 2:That's what we're talking about Before we check out of here Hold on hold on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I still got fights to talk about.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got fights. Don't cut my sports segment. I got fights to talk about. Go ahead All right, so look.
Speaker 4:That's good Word up we was talking about last week. We were talking about the Rikishi and Sugar Nunez fight. I was telling y'all be careful about taking Sugar Nunez on that knockout. Be careful on that right, because this kid got a chin. This kid, he done fought a couple of folk. I was originally going to take Rikishi and then I looked at the weigh-in and I ain't like that. He look weight drained. As soon as he got off the scale he went. He drank some water. I said, yeah, he had a tough camp.
Speaker 4:When I looked at, when I looked at Sugar Nunez and I remember the fight was in Japan and I started following Sugar on Instagram. He was in Japan like a month, like a month and a half ahead of the fight, like getting acclimated, getting ready, training away from the city, doing his thing Made me change my mind. I took sugar on that and of course he took the victory. But Golden Boy Promotions had a wonderful fight card. I want to say Friday, wonderful fight card. I want to say friday, wonderful fight card, wonderful, wonderful prospects coming up.
Speaker 4:Um, but it was a showcase for becklamir mera, melo, melo vicharitz I can't pronounce his name and darius fogum. You know I'm saying and um and yo in that. I wish I could have got on air, because I would have told y'all to take back Darius Fogelman. He's a good boxer. Don't get it twisted. He just doesn't like to get hit and the level of competition that he was used to fighting you might like into a tomato can or a punching bag with legs. You know what I'm saying. Beck, on the other hand, has a tremendous amateur career and he's had to overcome losses. He got knocked out in the third round, came back and gave that same dude a nine-round whooping. So I'll be there, I'll be there, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming. Baby, I'm coming. Give me a second, it's the babies.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Daddy duty.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the babies man. So, but this weekend, yo, this weekend we got Keyshawn Davis, the businessman, back home in Virginia Fighting De Los Santos, and Keyshaw always puts on a show when he goes home. That's just what he does. He puts on a wonderful show when he gets home. The odds are pretty decent. But don't go crazy and just take, bro, just cause of that, you better do your film study. A lot of people took Caleb Plant last week, last weekend, and Caleb Plant got his ass whooped Like he got his ass whooped bad. You know what I'm saying. So I just want to put this out there. Man, if you out and you doing your thing, make sure you always do your film study. Do not just take names. Do not just take names, do not just take brands. Make sure you are assured of your decision, man. That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:Thank you, my brother, of course. Yo, before we go, what's going on with Suge Knight and Ray J man, I'm getting tired of Suge Knight, suge Knight and Ray J, ray J, the funniest yo, ray J with the gaygency. You know what the what, you know what Yo he?
Speaker 3:said Suge Knight called him gay, said he was at them Diddy parties doing the same thing Diddy was doing, right? So, ray J, like man you're going to have me have beef with the gaygency. You know my gay friends don't really respect that because I ain't really gay and if they find that I was doing the same thing as Diddy they're going to look at me kind of crazy like why you was doing that and ain't include us.
Speaker 2:Ray J needs help bro.
Speaker 3:Ray J is an entertainer. People got to remember this. He is an entertainer, but he is a gang member. Don't get it twisted. He's from the streets. Yeah, don't get it twisted, ray J is not from the streets.
Speaker 1:He's from the streets.
Speaker 4:Ray J's parents are rich, bro, he is not from the street bro, he is not from the street bro. He's from the street bro. He is not from the street bro. He is not from the street bro. He is somebody who could buy his way into certain affiliations. You will never get me to believe that. Randy's son is from the street, you will never get me to believe that he's a Hollywood blood.
Speaker 3:Like Chris Brown. He's a Hollywood blood Like Chris Brown.
Speaker 4:He's a Hollywood blood, like Chris Brown.
Speaker 3:You ask me he's a Hollywood blood because he went Hollywood. He's from college, he's a Hollywood blood because he bought his way in bro.
Speaker 4:He's been blood his whole life yeah.
Speaker 2:Always want the same Ray J that ran up on Fabulous with the red hoodie Inside pool, outside pool, indoors, outdoors it wasn't live.
Speaker 4:It wasn't live. I'm not jacking that. I'm not jacking it.
Speaker 2:Moe, to the E, to the F.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly Exactly bro, like that's what I be trying to say it be script.
Speaker 3:Like yo listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen listen listen, things be scripted for certain people to get accepted in certain ways.
Speaker 4:Do y'all remember when, um, what's, what's, what was? What was home girl, what was homeboy's wife named the white rapper? The white rapper girl that said she washed up on shore and she was poor. And now she, and then she made herself this big rapper. Come on, no, she had married Swaggy P. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, remember that story, remember that she washed up on the show. That's what I'm trying to say. You can't foo-foo. One bizarro story and not foo-foo the next one.
Speaker 3:Listen, I'm casting LA St RayJ certified. I'm just going to say keep it above that money, hey yo.
Speaker 4:Brandy's godmother is like Gladys Neat or something like that.
Speaker 3:It's that money dog Brandy and Ray. J's cousins is Snoop and Daz.
Speaker 4:That money, that money dog.
Speaker 3:They've been dating family from day one.
Speaker 4:They got to do it. I do not, but I don't believe that about him, bro. I'm just trying to tell you there's going to be other people that I'd probably buy into it, Just not him. But when you do have time to bang all the other artists, all the other actors that was kids who had time to bang we all seen something happen to them. Right now, to the day, most of them is locked up or they all face all tatted Like they're showing the tail or they dead. Like him, he's still moving around.
Speaker 2:You know what Shoney sounds like. Shoney sounds like the comments. You never seen that video when Floyd was talking to Soulja Boy. He's like I've been knocking niggas out since, like April. Floyd was like this. Floyd was like I've been knocking niggas out since like seventh grade and, you know, had the shootout, and then I just shot him. I'm going to just say this A lot of people Floyd was looking at his knuckles, and all that too.
Speaker 3:He looking at his fist. He like A lot of authentic LA cats saying Ray J is official. We look at him like a silly cat, but in reality they say he's really official. He's silly bro.
Speaker 4:He is silly. I don't believe that they say he's official. There's certain people that I would say, yeah, okay, he's not one of the dogs. What situation Would anybody allow you to be in when you would get to show you official when you are the meal ticket?
Speaker 1:He wasn't the meal ticket. Brandy's the meal ticket no he wasn't All right.
Speaker 4:But what I'm trying to say is he's the access to Brandy, he's the meal ticket, he's the access to Brandy. He's on TV too, and he.
Speaker 3:Not a few albums, but he dropped music. He was blooded in.
Speaker 4:That's what you heard. He was blooded in. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's the same way. It's that I'm not believing it from then is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's the same way that Cannon was blooded, but they don't ever talk about it.
Speaker 2:Right, I heard about that out there.
Speaker 1:It's up there. I remember LA is a different culture than us.
Speaker 3:These cats be born into. They neighborhoods just all the time.
Speaker 4:So that means that Brandy blood too.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 4:So what are you saying? You're saying it's a family thing right, nah, I don't believe it, that's all. I'm saying I don't jack that, I don't believe it. I've seen artists. We've seen Wayne. Wayne was Crip in the beginning, right? No, but I'm just saying we're talking about artists and claiming. But you know what? You're right, that's different, that's totally different, because that's the culture, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1:That's totally different Now.
Speaker 4:So we're going to end it there Look, say hell, no, ray J family, not Pau Ruiz. You know what?
Speaker 2:Let's get it from San Diego. The last thing I remember. I don't want to get caught up in this politics, but when Wayne and them were blood they got stopped in Cali and 40 Glock and Spider-Luke, I don't know they couldn't get out of the car. But that's another story. We talk about that some other time.
Speaker 4:I remember that too. I remember that too, you know what I'm saying. But, like clip said, it's different because they from uh uh new orleans and we talking about people from from the west coast born into this you know right. So what clip is saying he's right, that's.
Speaker 3:It's totally different I mean, I look at ray j as we, because we look at Ray J as a, because we look at Ray J as a goof right, we all look at him like that. But for some reason a lot of cats in LA say he's certified. I don't know, but I'm not from there, I'm just going by what they're saying.
Speaker 2:Crip Jesus say he's ranked up because of his pops. With that being said, my brothers and my listeners and viewers, we appreciate you guys coming out. These brothers rock.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Crip Jesus. They just straightening things out bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3:I can't, I'm just going to be quiet.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we out Just want to say peace and love. Thank you guys for coming out. Shout out to the people in the chat Crip, jesus, j-pay and Jesse Green. You know what I'm saying? It's all love yo. We out yo. No, you need these damn parts yo.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he the only one with visual effects we got to step it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got love too. We out, though Peace.
Speaker 3:All right, what, what, what why?