The State of the Black Community- Dr Paul Dyer

The divide between perception and reality in Black America takes center stage in this powerful conversation with Dr. Paul Dyer, who brings his unique perspective as both a neuroscientist and political strategist to examine what he calls "the state of the Black community.Dr. Dyer introduces his concept of "cerebral castration" – a mental state that keeps people trapped in fear-based thinking, unable to process information rationally or make decisions that would truly benefit themselves or their communities. This mental imprisonment, he argues, explains why Black communities often unite only in tragedy rather than creating sustainable movements for positive change.The discussion takes us through historical touch points when Black Americans came closest to what Dr. Dyer terms being "franchised" within American society. The period between 1968-1975 saw narrowing wealth gaps, stronger family structures, and educational advancement. However, this progress was systematically undermined through increased incarceration, drug proliferation, and the traumatic return of Vietnam veterans to communities unprepared to support them.Most startling is Dr. Dyer's revelation about the mental health crisis – Black Americans have the highest emergency room visits for mental health issues in the United States. The hosts explore how historical medical abuse created enduring stigmas around seeking help, tracing patterns from slavery through the mid-20th century institutional abuses that left deep wounds of distrust.Rather than embracing separation or fixating on victimhood, Dr. Dyer offers a profound alternative: "Know thyself." This prescription for healing requires vulnerability to one's own ignorance and a willingness to begin again. As he powerfully states in closing, "To be fully prepared, you must be truthful and vulnerable to your ignorance.Join us for this th

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Speaker 1: 0:10

all right, what's going on? Everybody that was. That was an interesting show, the last one that was all right. Today we're talking about, uh, the state of the black. What happened, uh, dire to die? Oh, because when the music comes on, something happens, so he has to come back in.

Speaker 3: 0:29

Peace people, we're back. I know y'all enjoyed the show. Some comments were like we out, we come back tomorrow. Listen, people. We got to give everybody the opportunity to come on this platform, so don't be discouraged.

Speaker 1: 0:40

You know what I want to talk about, that before we go into the state of black, the black community, this is a universal platform. Again, this is a universal platform. They're not going to just be mores on here, they're not going to just be five percenters. They're not going to just be in a why you saw Adams swore, and now you're going to see other people coming on. They're going to probably be European, arab. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We're going to have all so-called colors of the spectrum. So don't run, don't run.

Speaker 3: 1:14

They're like, we're discouraged, we come back tomorrow.

Speaker 2: 1:17

I'm out, I'm like come on, man Well that kind of fits into the state of the black community. It really does, because, as many people know me as Dr Paul, emotional scientist and neuroscientist but the other hands I reach out in is to is I'm a political scientist and I'm a political strategist. I've helped people run for offices all throughout the country. My lowest seat that I've ever helped get into office is mayor and I've gone all up the gamut into working for a person who's running for presidency. So I've won some governorships. I've won some state legislations and mayors and stuff. So I'm reaching out to those people and we're going to have them on this show exclusively to talk about where they're at, what they're doing, what their communities are doing, and to look at it from a leadership perspective, right, not just from a person who's living under always. Right, we got to look at what they're seeing and how they're seeing it and what are the numbers they're getting.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Because the one thing about the black community is, from coming into a behavior scientist and as a political strategist, is that I care about my people. I care about humanity in a whole. I really do, and so some people have come at me a little bit on some of my social media, especially because I'm into firearms, I'm a warrior, I train in gun, I teach gun, I teach knife, I teach open hand, I teach armed. I teach all of that to groups, to not just groups families and friends, yes, but I teach them to special groups, people who you don't normally see and who they are. I work for agencies, so you're getting a person like me who has their hands into the information but also who's very active into the information, so I just don't read and let it slide by. I read because I'm active in it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 3:47

Yeah, I respect that you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 3:50

Some people say they're activists but they think they're just reading papers and they're getting hyped on things. Right, you know. They say it's wrong about this, it's wrong about that and the numbers say this, but they're not really out into the community to see the numbers activated or deactivate, right. So the state of the black community is confusion. Right, we we often say how come we're not pulled together? We're pulled together. We we often get pulled together in tragedy. Right, if you think of things, we only come together in tragedy.

Speaker 3: 4:37

Trauma bonding.

Speaker 2: 4:39

I just trauma bonding, but I also call that cerebral castration.

Speaker 1: 4:47

Okay, can you that? Cerebral castration? Okay, can you explain?

Speaker 2: 4:50

right, castration meaning to take away from the male or the female reproductive system. Right, we know that that's what castration is in. The cerebral castration is cutting off all abilities to ever reproduce. What you call a good thought, because it's not from a conscious thinking person. So that's why I call it cerebral castration. So basically, it keeps you in the fear box. You can't move on. That's the simplification of it. But when you study neuroscience, there's a lot of other fibers that's going on. We talked about those. There's a lot of other things that's going on. Synapses is going on. But if you can never get things to fire, you're castrated. And if you're castrated that way, then you're castrated with all your thinking and all your emotions. So even the numbers don't make sense to you. Even the things you hear just inflame you to do things that you're going to believe is the correct thing to do, which is why the mob often rules.

Speaker 1: 6:11

Okay, I'm going to pose this question to Mike. When you think of the state of the Black community, what's your thoughts? The Black community I look at the Black community the people are still.

Speaker 3: 6:23

What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts? Yeah, the black community. Yeah, I look at the black community. The people are still, I could say, emotionally disenfranchised, haven't recovered Right.

Speaker 2: 6:34

So if you're saying they're disenfranchised prior to disenfranchisement, was what?

Speaker 3: 6:43

There was stripping, identity slavery, stripping of your identity language they were dehumanized.

Speaker 2: 6:49

Right. The first thing that happened to black folk was they were dehumanized. So now the question is when did the collective black folk get their humanization back? Collective black folk get their humanization back.

Speaker 3: 7:09

Collective. Black folk get their humanization back.

Speaker 1: 7:11

No One by one, not collectively. When did they get it back?

Speaker 3: 7:19

I don't know they try recovering it during. Like you know, I know the 60s came back with a renaissance.

Speaker 2: 7:27

You know trying to it was close. Yeah, it was the closest it ever was, in 71. And even that was through trauma bonding Not as much because the Martin Luther King assassination, the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Kennedy, all those assassinations didn't create a mob. It created a trying to franchise unity, black, white, all of it. But it was close because blacks could get a job, they were working, they were buying homes, they were moving out of the ghetto. Right, the wealth gap was the closest, closed from 68 to 75.

Speaker 3: 8:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:25

That was the closest it came. So what was happening then? Kids were going to school, literacy programs were developed.

Speaker 3: 8:34

It was happening. The nuclear family was more together, right?

Speaker 2: 8:39

So what happened to when they were almost franchising to become disenfranchised? We started arresting more black men, right? People started coming back from Vietnam.

Speaker 1: 8:59

At that time they were addicted to heroin. When they came back from Vietnam that also threw the community off as well the heroin. You see what I mean.

Speaker 3: 9:08

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 9:09

So now the drugs start entering the community. And it broke it and they kept it. No, it entered the community, they kept it in the community and they distributed it in the community to disenfranchise it.

Speaker 3: 9:23

Yeah, and you got to think that the war and the psyche, as you mentioned earlier, the assassination of leaders, activists, so that fractured the people's mind as well.

Speaker 2: 9:35

But it didn't fraction as much that you thought it would. It really didn't. I mean, you have more riots on Chauvin, on the neck of George Floyd than you did on Martin Luther King they quelled it.

Speaker 3: 9:59

Shout out to the 5% of the nation on God's earth. They quelled it from happening. It would have got bad in New York. It would have got bad if New York in the 60s. It would have got bad if they didn't get involved.

Speaker 2: 10:09

Because it was so. George Floyd was worse than Martin Luther King, and George Floyd was what a drug addict at best.

Speaker 3: 10:19

Uh-oh, you're going to have them. Listen, they're going to attack us today.

Speaker 1: 10:26

Today we're going to have them. They're going to attack us. Today, we're going to get attacked today.

Speaker 3: 10:28

Oh my god emails and all kinds of stuff they selling out. I knew it first. They had the white boy on the show. Oh, it's done anyway.

Speaker 2: 10:40

The examiner of Minneapolis, of Hennepin County, said he had this much in him anyway. So whether he had died of it, he could have died of an overdose at home no one would have cared. The whole thing was a perfect storm. So I'm not talking about what Chauvin did. That's different than what he ingested. You know what I mean, Right, Right. So don't get it twisted between adding one and one and you're trying to get a whole different fraction, right? So here's the crazy part, when you've got the state of if we were such in dire straits of how, because we love this country, and here's how we even know we love it.

Speaker 2: 11:27

We love it collectively, because we're the second highest people enlisting into the armed forces. The second highest percentage we enlist into the armed forces. Highest percentage we enlist in the armed forces. You know whites they do what 66%. We're up there. We're so high up there and because of our population and we're only 13% of the population we are still enlisting. 13-18% of our population are going into the military, which is the second highest. So why are we enlisting if we're so disenfranchised against america? Are we disenfranchised against america or we disenfranchise against the populace, the corporatists right and the people who are trying to run everything. What are we really against and we haven't really focused on that.

Speaker 1: 12:39

Gotcha, okay, okay. So what would you say is, when I think of the state of the black community right, you know, I go quote unquote because you know, as far as what I know from more science, more science, or the prophet Nobuja Ali teaches us that, basically, according to science, black means death. So I always quote, unquote, quote. Black means death. So I always quote, unquote, quote, unquote on that. But when I think about the black community, quote unquote, I think about the Haitian community, yes, yes, about just the Africans in the diaspora.

Speaker 2: 13:15

Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1: 13:16

So if we talk about Africans in the diaspora, you know we're not just, you know talking about African-Americans, because African-Americans have their separate issue, Haitians have their separate issue.

Speaker 2: 13:31

However, our cultural issues. They have different Right.

Speaker 1: 13:37

Right, but the root of all of our issues would stem from slavery and then go from that point on imperialism, right. So so you know when I think about. So, as far as the state of the black community, when it comes to the haitian community, mike, what do you see in the haitian?

Speaker 3: 13:59

community, haitian community. What, first and foremost, as dr dyer said, right, disenfranchised from coming from slavery. A birth of a nation came from slavery, from pain. Right, these people didn't have time to settle down, to reacclimate themselves, to be human beings. They were just constantly fighting and then an addendum placed on them. So now you're like all right, you got your little liberty, but now you can't feed yourself. The way this new world functions, we're going to cripple you from making money. So now you're just stuck. You're back there, disgruntled, unhappy, and realize what did I fight for? That right there will create self-hate and then they start having infights. Then he had the mulatto side, then he also had you got to take into consideration. I don't want to get too far into it with the Dominican Republic as well. So it's two different factions. Both nations came out of, you know, birth from slavery, fighting whatsoever.

Speaker 2: 14:57

And it's a constant conflict. It's the United States' playbook. We've been doing this playbook for a very, very long time. Since Ferdinand, we've been splitting countries. We do our. We are the best at splitting countries. We are Us and England, we do the best at splitting countries. We split Haiti up because we gave some people money and took away a lot of money from other people who had money Right. And then when people certain people who look to United States for help, where other national Haitians said we don't need the US, why you keep asking the US? That was an infighting within themselves. Every country has done that to themselves, but we kind of nudged it along a lot of the way.

Speaker 3: 15:49

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 15:51

We did it in Mexico, we do it all over the world. We do it all over the world.

Speaker 3: 15:57

Yeah, we do, and that's why this man right here was trying to. He figured it out too. That's why I respect him. I'm shaking forever Margie T, and he's why this man right here was trying to. He figured it out too. That's why I respect him. I'm shaking forever Margie T and he's like look what's happening to us. The European is destroying these Latin American countries. They got you divided, taking your resources, and then they're united, but you can't unite. Is that a problem, right? So what Dr Dyer is saying is very true.

Speaker 2: 16:25

We're just stuck in a crabs, in a barrel, which is feeling disenfranchised, and when you feel disenfranchised, you feel dishonored.

Speaker 1: 16:34

That's a good point.

Speaker 2: 16:36

And if you feel dishonored, you're going to fight.

Speaker 3: 16:40

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 16:42

Here's the problem now. The fighting starts where and where else does it end Exactly?

Speaker 2: 16:50

Here's the problem now the fighting starts where and where else does it end? In the mind. It starts in the mind, but it ends in bloodshed in the streets, right. Right, maybe we're often not unified. So we have different groups who are unifying people, which is awesome, right, we've got them training and learning and developing and creating the essence of who they are and what they want to be as a human being. Right, we're giving you your. You're a human being, you're a black human being, you are, you are human first. Right, but if they and they can say we are America too, you have some that says we are America too, we are.

Speaker 2: 17:41

Some says we need to separate from America. Right, so now you have different things going on in the black community, like am I american? Should I not want to be an american but live in the united states? So are we separating? Are we? Are we collecting a state so we can call our own? Are we collecting our own? That's not going to happen in any life form. Are we collecting a state so we can call our own? Are we collecting our own?

Speaker 1: 18:08

That's not going to happen in any life form. Right, you think that we're not going to. We can't separate.

Speaker 2: 18:52

We can't to who, to what, To where?

Speaker 1: 19:01

So let's say, let's say, like the nation of Islam's philosophy, well, elijah Muhammad's philosophy, the original to build our own state. Basically, we just separate from the European and we have our own state, our own police, our own. Yes, I agree with all of it. They were accomplishing that, though they were getting it.

Speaker 2: 19:20

No, I would agree with all of it. I think we do need our own police force. The Hasidic Jews do it.

Speaker 3: 19:28

Yes, they do.

Speaker 2: 19:29

In many areas. They have their own police force, they have their own fire, they have their own Right. But they do work with the state Right. They have a section that they bought up Right. They had to buy it first from the county, from the area. They had to collectively buy it. They collectively build it. The school, the fire department, whatever municipalities they had to do, they had to build it Right and they can say that these six blocks is where we do our thing. They still have to work with the state or the city. They can't stop the state or the city from coming in.

Speaker 3: 20:15

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 20:18

So you can have your own. Own doesn't mean you stop everyone else from coming in. You keep them at bay by representation by joint commissions, by you know, before you come into our area you notify us. It's almost like a trade agreement they have with the Indians, right, but they actually it's different, because the Indian nations are sovereignty, so the police can't arrest on their on a native land. Well, police can't arrest in Hasidic neighborhoods. So it's not sovereignty. So you're never going to have sovereignty in the United States, unless you were a Native American, and that took how much blood. Anyway, we're not going to get there because historically they should have whatever right, yeah, right. So yeah, you can. Yes, that is possible. To buy, to create, to develop schools, fire departments, police departments, all of it. That is definitely possible.

Speaker 1: 21:30

But, just like you said, the state has to be involved, the government has to be involved in everything like that, right, some mores would say that that's not with the profit set up, say that that's not with the profit set up and some mores would say that the profit actually did set it up to where it's like you are an actual citizen and it's connected to the, to the government, the, the temple, etc. Etc. Etc.

Speaker 2: 21:53

Yeah, so on. On legalities, that bridge doesn't work well. In the federal government you may win some lower cases, but if you start to get into the federal court you're going to have problems. It's the court.

Speaker 3: 22:13

It's the court, as he said. It makes much sense because every state has its own constitution, so it has to go according to state level, not federal level, right? That's why I say, when you state level, not federal level, right right.

Speaker 2: 22:23

That's why I say when you get to the federal level, you're gonna get, you're gonna get crushed a little bit, if not you get, you're gonna be one of those guys getting body slammed on the side of the road.

Speaker 3: 22:31

It's rolling, so let's not even go into that and let's get and let's get into.

Speaker 2: 22:35

So, when we look at, when we look at some of the other things, how we we get so angry about one of the most things we talked about with Chauvin and God, I don't know why I can't remember his name.

Speaker 3: 22:53

Who? Derek Chauvin? Oh, Floyd Floyd.

Speaker 2: 22:59

The police issue people raising the police shootings, the police brutality, the police killings and stuff like that. The average police shoot fatally about 1,000 people a year, About 1,000. A thousand and the last number I heard in 2024, it was approximately 277. Of them were Black or non-Hispanic that didn't make the media no that's 277 out of 1,000. So that means there's still 733 people getting fatally shot by the cops.

Speaker 3: 23:44

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 23:46

But we take it as such a thing, like they're hunting us. That word is such. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, because they're getting disinformation to keep them disenfranchised right like saying that the police are hunting black people.

Speaker 1: 24:09

Yes, right that that minds, that mindset or state of thinking is old and it was true some time ago. Right, but it was. It was. It was true as well through through like the 20s, 30s, 40s.

Speaker 2: 24:32

Yeah, they were hunting them to fill the prison so they can get free labor, so on and so forth. You're correct about that. It needs to, yeah, so now the world's changing a bit.

Speaker 1: 24:42

It is changing a bit. You know the police are now, you know, just aren't white anymore. You know what I mean. So I get the point Like it's like a lot of different nationalities. However, you know it.

Speaker 1: 24:54

What, what do you say to people who say, you know, socially, the people are primed and programmed to still hate black people yeah, so and and and they're a part of the police force, so when they go into black neighborhoods they already, you know, expect, you know this is going to happen, they're going to, you know, do some kind of crime. Or because you gotta remember, like you know, all over the world people have this, have this bad okay in their mind about us, listen, listen.

Speaker 2: 25:27

I. I've known some police chiefs who were black, who were not black. The same conversation to have that. That often that gets to them, that I talk with them about who I even work with. I wish I had some local homegrown officers. I wish I could have some homegrown officers that came from the neighborhood so we could put back to the neighborhood.

Speaker 3: 25:57

That makes sense, yep.

Speaker 2: 25:58

Okay, so they look for that in their applications. Man, you're from Brooklyn, all right, you still got to go through. You know your thing? Your training. But I tell you, you're going back to Brooklyn, you know, and that's good for us. We like that, this is your people. So where are all the applicants coming from? They're not coming from Brooklyn, they're coming from Westchester. They're coming from Albany.

Speaker 3: 26:29

Syracuse. All that so they're not exposed, they're not familiar with the environment.

Speaker 2: 26:34

They're coming from Bridgeport, Connecticut. Okay, so is it a fault? It's a fact. Can you train this inside of them to look at it a different way? You can try. But even if you talk to a what you say, a person from a neighborhood, how often are they driving around at 2 am in certain areas of their own neighborhood that they wouldn't drive around in, Right? Okay, so they're stereotyping it. So they're stereotyping it. They're not walking to the local bodega shop at 3 am, 1 am.

Speaker 3: 27:23

Nope.

Speaker 2: 27:23

You ask them when are you going to the local store? Not this time of night, right? So even in their own personal minds, they disenfranchise their community. So how do you expect a person who's not from there, or even live nowhere near there, come into there and not have this thought process when their own people think this way?

Speaker 1: 27:53

Right, yeah, that's a good point, that's a good point. Right, yeah, that's a good point, that's a good point. So one thing that uh, mike and I, when we started that par organization, um, and you know, this is something that uh, we we definitely want to have in the future we want to have uh actual officers on the podcast so we can talk to them to kind of bridge the gap between the community and the police force, to learn how they, to learn how to respond to what you know police doing their job.

Speaker 2: 28:26

I jump off, matt, because we've all had these conversations with men, with police. I've had these conversations with just tons, tons of them and again, from their hearts to their mouth, to my ears, to you. We're not the same. I wish I could give you, paul, but we don't look at things the same way. So I can give you what I can do. I can give you what I know my buddy can do, my partner would do, but Out of the squad I can't tell you what they would do and that's just so real.

Speaker 1: 29:18

So I just want to say this and I I want to say what this person said and I want to say what I have to say. So, officers that don't undermine probable cause, uh, or reasons for a stop yeah, you're right about that, of course, for sure, for sure. So so you're saying you said that they're not the same, dr Paul Dyer, meaning the police aren't. What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2: 29:43

Like you. You, when you join, when you join anything, any group, any organization, you don't lose yourself. You bring yourself with you Right. You get trained into the organization that you're joining, yep. So now let's apply the math I'm still myself, I'm getting trained into the organization I'm joining. I'm still myself, I'm getting trained into the organization I'm joining. Now I'm out there representing the organization with myself, but yet lead with the organization. But through that lens of the organization, I'm putting my vision first. So if a person grew up not happy around black folk, it's going to come out of them before their uniform does, just by the way they address you it has to be in you, it has to be innate.

Speaker 2: 30:57

If it's not innate, it's it's just there right like a, a, a white cop who grew up in in um, in um, upstate new york, and he's working in in the bronx, somewhere south bronx, and he says he says hey, hey, spick, pull over. Well, I thought that's what you Spanish people call each other. You know what I mean. Like what are you talking about? Everyone's looking at him like he's crazy. But like why would he think that was okay? It doesn't matter why he thinks that's OK. He thought it was OK. Did he mean anything by it? Right now, in this case, me being a person listening to this, or me being Hispanic hearing this, I'm a little bit turned off, man, I'm a little bit upset. You know what I'm saying, right? So this whole stop has gone sideways already.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Right, right, so that's why I think that is important for the police officers.

Speaker 2: 32:05

They do try to get you training.

Speaker 1: 32:09

Well, not the training meaning. What I mean is what I'm thinking is I'm suggesting that you know they do have community outreach in these precincts.

Speaker 2: 32:19

Yeah, so what? My thing is like one or two people.

Speaker 1: 32:23

Right. But my thing is like what are they who, what? What's the formality? Like, what are they doing in these community outreach things?

Speaker 2: 32:32

Like well, the formality is to go out. They go to community events, they talk to whoever you call local leaders.

Speaker 3: 32:40

Yeah, community figures yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Yeah, communities, they try to go to these events, the school events. That's where you mostly see them is at school events.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Yeah, so if you want to talk to that community officer. Visit your local school community officer. Visit your local school. They'll probably be at some PTA meetings. So they'll meet the parents in the area and those different schools. They'll be at events. So, other than that, maybe a block party or some event that's happening in the community they will show up and walk around just so their faces, faces, can be seen. And who put it on? Who's one of the vendors? Talk to the vendors they talk to. They talk to the local vendors in the area, the storekeepers, so people know who they are.

Speaker 2: 33:28

But that's still a lot of people in the circumference of any several blocks of a school district, right, so if you don't want to meet them, you're never going to see them because they'll never know who you are, because they're never going to reach everybody. That's why they only like, if you don't go to a pta meeting, there's no way you're going to know who they are if you don't get involved in your community and I'm not saying getting involved by proxy, like my friend went down there, right, she told me all what was going on, yeah, but did you see the people there? Did you see the community officers? Did you talk to them? You know what I mean. If you're only visiting things in your community by proxy meaning you're not physically visible then how are you part of your community? But you're part of your community when things are upset, you hype it up. Did you hear what went on down that corner? I knew they were going to do that to that boy.

Speaker 3: 34:35

That's what you're saying, though getting involved in the local politics to know what's going on, your community assemblyman district, the community affairs you know. Then talk about the talk, about the situation, the events that affect the community, which is important, because we do need um a bridge with the community and the police to understand the cult, the so-called culture suly just gave us a.

Speaker 1: 34:58

Suly just gave us a good reference here. They sponsor kids activities like easter egg hunts or parades.

Speaker 2: 35:07

Okay, so that's where we will find the community officers you know, when I was growing up in the bronx we had the police leagues. I know they don't have a lot of stuff no more. You know the power leagues, the boxing leagues and things like that.

Speaker 2: 35:21

So, they used to do a lot of that, but that was in the 70s, right, we were at our closest in the 70s and 73 to be exact. Again, we were at our closest to being franchised in the 70s. We were at our closest to being franchised in the 70s. But when I hear people say they're getting ready for what is coming, I don't like some of the verbiage that is attacking the cerebral castrations of human beings.

Speaker 1: 36:02

So break that down a bit.

Speaker 2: 36:08

So when I tell you, as a thinking person, be ready for what's coming.

Speaker 1: 36:20

What would be your next step? My next step would be to find out what's coming.

Speaker 2: 36:25

Find out what the hell am I talking about.

Speaker 3: 36:30

That's so true because whatever happened to we had inner city organizations right, some school of thoughts. I don't see I could be wrong. I don't see them doing much work in the community anymore.

Speaker 2: 36:44

Okay, so you hear me speak. I sound a little bit jaded. Well, I'm upset, I'm angry about what they, because they're always against us. It's always them and it's always what they do. We don't know who they are, but we know that they're always involved.

Speaker 1: 37:12

Who are they? Who are?

Speaker 3: 37:14

they.

Speaker 2: 37:17

But we know it's them. How can we prove it? Because I heard it.

Speaker 2: 37:23

Right, and I start giving you statistics. You know, 277 of our brothers and sisters were killed last year by cops. That's because they're gunning for you, but I don't give you that by cops, that's because they're gunning for you, but I don't give you that. They shot also 733 other people. This is the United States. We're not talking about in a block or in a precinct. We're talking about, in the United States, a thousand fatal shootings. So I can start skewing like science. I can start getting any data I want by what I put out there.

Speaker 2: 38:03

And if you're not a thinking person, right, and if you are emotionally unstable because talking about our brains before talking about how we think, how we see, how we feel, we've talked about all those factors before and if you're not balanced, isn't that going to turn and twist you to being more erratic? But now you believe in me, so you trust me. So I tell you to go get prepared, go get ready. But I'm charging a bomb ready to explode on my word. You're still disenfranchised. Now you have dishonor, so that means you have. You have some anger. And if we talk about the state of the black community, do you know? We have the highest ER visits about mental health in the United States.

Speaker 3: 39:11

That's a fact. I had no idea fact.

Speaker 1: 39:16

I had no idea.

Speaker 2: 39:17

The highest ER visits are for black and brown people. For mental health we're the highest.

Speaker 3: 39:29

I noticed that they brought in EDPs a lot of schizophrenia bipolar.

Speaker 2: 39:34

Whatever, because we know they can't go by medicine, because a lot of black people can't afford the medicine and medication. Right, you can't go by the therapist, because not many people can afford a therapist. I wish people could afford a therapist. I wish there could be programs that can offer free therapy and there some are. And there's some therapists who are trying to do some amazing work out there, cutting rates and doing all kinds of great, great stuff. I do the same thing. Psychiatrists, sociologists, all of them social workers are trying to help. They're doing the best they can and it's still not enough, right? It's, like you know, thimble water bailing out of a ship we have the highest ER visits just for mental health out of a ship, we have the highest ER visits just for mental health. So if you take that, we're the highest, and also we're the second highest in DUIs Percentage.

Speaker 2: 40:28

What that's wild yeah in the United States, we're the second highest of DUIs.

Speaker 1: 40:40

Well, the first one would feed into the second one, the mental health.

Speaker 2: 40:45

I don't know. I'll tell you why. I don't think every black person you know drives, do they? No? Yeah, see, I know a lot of black people just don't drive, out of 13% of the population. I just don't see us that higher drivers, just from what I know of black folk.

Speaker 3: 41:11

That's wild For mental health. That's a big thing. Right there, People tend to you know, Dr Dyer, our people tend to have a stigma with the mental health industry. You don't believe that Our people have a stigma with mental health. They look at it as if you seek mental health they create their own stigma.

Speaker 2: 41:41

They create their own stigma. It's a falsified, created stigma expound on that.

Speaker 2: 41:55

I think when we dig back into the archaeology of healing, all cultures and all the planets everywhere on this part of the globe had healers in their tribe and community and so on. They've always had healers, always. They always had the doctors and the scientists who had healing right. Then how did it get to be unnatural? When they got to the United States, who put that in them that it was unhealthy for them to go see a doctor? When they got to the United States, who put that in them that it was unhealthy for them to go see a doctor? How about in slavery times? The doctor was such a bad person to go to because any doctor you sought was probably on the means of the master. So I don't know if that was a good visit. Now they probably had some midwives to deliver babies that could tell some people were sick and they had some healers inside their situation, their situation, and I'm sure they had some people so they would go seek them out.

Speaker 1: 43:25

But, to go see a white doctor.

Speaker 2: 43:31

I think that was the stigma, Okay, and I think that lasted until it just became doctors hospitals, because, remember, they was putting a lot of people who had sicknesses in the 60s and 70s into psych wards. Yes, so that was also like I don't know if I want to go in there. If you go in there, you may not come back out.

Speaker 3: 43:54

That's true.

Speaker 2: 43:56

So that created a lot of lore against that, but factual, because there were a lot of black people who went into hospitals that never came back out and they could never see, and they, you know, they got violent and they they went into the other ward, you know, and and think it just. Things happen like that. You know what I mean. So there's there's definitely a lot of Great reasons why the mistrust was there.

Speaker 3: 44:29

I understood so that slavery pivot. That moment was like a bad pivot towards destruction for us absolutely, absolutely absolutely so now, what would you say?

Speaker 2: 44:48

if we fast forward to 2024. I don't know if that still should stand. You know what I mean, so I think it should.

Speaker 1: 45:00

I think it should, though you know why I say that, because something that you got to remember it was hundreds of years of brutal treatment and it passed on and through epigenetics. If you, if you study that, it tell it, it teaches you or explains the fact that you know you can pass trauma from one from your, from you, from yourself, to your offspring. So imagine hundreds of years, generation after generation, of brutal treatment, low self-esteem, rape, et cetera. You're not going to shake that off a few hundred years after that because people are giving you so-called freedom. That's not going to happen. And not only that. Hold on one second. Not only that.

Speaker 1: 45:55

After that, there were a lot of things that happened Redlining, et cetera, and all that Brutality, the crack era, like there was a timeline that happened from slavery that led all from slavery all the way up until nowadays, where they have switches, drug, you know, um, designer drugs, pills, and, yeah, you know it's like, it's like our people never really got a break after that. So, so, so, yeah, I think, I think, I think it's still gonna stick to this point. You know what I mean so what's so?

Speaker 2: 46:28

what would it take to change your vision? That would change your thinking, because vision is the only way it's going to change your thinking. Because you're not reading right. Your literacy collectively is low, so not enough of your reading. If you are reading, not many of you are comprehending. And if you are reading, what are you reading? Are you reading the local tabloids? Are you reading just your local newspaper? What are you reading, right and so, and and what information are you trying to collect? So that plays a part in, and then the lack of reading, and and then what? What streams are you listening to? And what flipping of the news things are you listening to? Because we know now the algorithms are placated to your sense of thinking constantly bombarding with information.

Speaker 1: 47:22

Let's see that. That. Let's see that makes see uh elijah muhammad's uh idea of separation makes a lot more sense to your point, because it seems like we need a separation and a rewiring to do it.

Speaker 3: 47:43

It's also what they ingest, also, as they say in the 120 lessons and quote me wrong when they say that he doesn't know because he eats the wrong food. He's been taught how to eat the wrong food as a child, so they're constantly ingesting information mentally. What you eat, your environment plays a part. It's like people in the projects. I'm not saying all, but it's like they see the conditions of the project and say, well, this is home, it's just supposed to look like this. Say, if one person decides to clean up, they'd be like why are you doing this for?

Speaker 2: 48:08

Yeah, they would ask them the question. And even to your point, ron, I think even the separation is good and it is good. I believe it is. It is good and it could be good. But I want people to go through the process, through a thought process first, not just because they are running away from the other side, because they're going to be mischaracterized when they do something out of bounds. Okay Right, I don't want you to work out Because someone beat you up. I don't want you to study martial arts or pick up a gun Because you felt disenfranchised. And now you feel strong Because you're in a group. They largely look like you. Now you're starting to train, now you're starting to shoot, now you're starting to feel Some self-vigor about yourself, and you still haven't turned your thought process from being the victim yeah, I get your point.

Speaker 1: 49:21

I get your point with that. Yeah, uh, I'm I'm not an advocate of the victim mentality, you know, especially coming from the 5% nation, where you know it's taught that you know the black man is God. So if the black man is God, then you know, you have all control. You know of yourself, your surroundings, other people's not, I don't want to say other people's surroundings, but everything surrounding you. So you know, uh, I hear people from the nation of the five percent nation actually talk like, like with the victim mentality. You know, like, the white man do this and the white man do that. You know, I just look at him, like you know. But the black man is god though.

Speaker 2: 50:04

So whatever the white man is doing, it's not gonna matter it shouldn't matter, right, right, and that's what I mean when, if a person's not a, you are a thinker, but if a person's a less than they wouldn't understand the dissidence between the wordings.

Speaker 3: 50:30

Yep.

Speaker 1: 50:35

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 50:36

And that's cerebral castration Because of that. So they stuck in that box.

Speaker 1: 50:44

Right, right.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Right.

Speaker 1: 50:46

And that's dangerous.

Speaker 1: 50:50

Now I just want to ask this. So what would you say? You know, I want to keep going with this, this conversation, because this is an important conversation that we can go talk about it the days on end. Now, what would you say? I don't want to close out the whole conversation. I would definitely want to do a part two on this. I want to do a part two on this the state of the Black community. So what would you say is the solution? Now, elijah Muhammad said to separate. Elijah Muhammad says to separate. What would you say? The solution is?

Speaker 2: 51:24

Know thyself, Know thyself. The most scary thing to do is how do I begin to know myself? That's the question I hope someone's asking themselves if they listen to it, Like, okay, I know myself, no, but if I really want to, okay. Dr Dyer is saying, okay, maybe I don't know myself. Okay, so how do I begin to know myself and where do I learn it? That's the question. Great question. I'm not saying one person's more right than another or someone's less than another, but go start to find yourself in certain areas, opportunities, certain groups, certain factions. There's some answers out there.

Speaker 1: 52:18

For sure, and it's just to speak to your point. You know I mean more with science than a 5% nation. Those are my two, I would say, favorite schools of thought. Those are the schools of thought I was like pretty much brought up in, right. So so you know, and, and, and the 5% teachings it's all about knowledge of self. It's all about knowledge of self. And even in MST of a or more science they teach study that self they teach study thyself, right?

Speaker 1: 52:54

exactly that's what Nobujo Ali said. If you would ask a man what to study, I would tell him study thyself, and then study yourself and then study again. Keep studying. So that's the main premise of that school of thought, right.

Speaker 2: 53:10

That's because even in all the martial sciences that has ever been from thought to motion, like stars and the planets you have to know where the organic breath starts and that also gets put into movement and that also gets put into movement. A good education in martial arts and I'm sorry that there's some clown schools out there, I wish I could close them all, I wish I really could but a good instructor in martial arts will teach you what you call to start to deconstruct all of what you thought. You thought From your balance to your toes, to your hair, to your fingers, and start again. And once you start that physical process, hopefully you'll start that mental process, because it is a breath, it is a life. There is a breath, it is a life. There is a pause, and then there's the mental studies and the real studies, and there's studies out there, right, and that's just because I don't know. You know, that's just me.

Speaker 1: 54:28

Got you. So the solution for you is to study, study thyself, know thyself, and that that's that's a great point, and that's that's something that's said across the board in different schools of thought, martial arts except uh, I think even buddhism, right yes, yes it is bud Buddhism, I mean all sex of Buddhism.

Speaker 2: 54:51

The base is know thyself, All sex of Buddhism. The first thing is begin to know thyself.

Speaker 1: 55:01

Got you. On that note, thank you for stopping by this evening, dr Paul Dyer. Thank you, mikey, for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you brothers. Great conversation on the state of the Black community. We're going to keep going with this. I would love to do a part two of this so we could go and expound a little bit more on the state of the Black community. I want to talk about Haiti in depth. You know, I got you. You get what I'm saying and you know, thank you. Thank you, big Gucci Casey. All right, thank y'all for coming out this evening.

Speaker 2: 55:35

Peace to everybody. I do want to say one thing If you want to be truly prepared, you must fully be faithful and being vulnerable to your ignorance.

Speaker 3: 55:48

Oh, that's deep. Thank you oh.

Speaker 1: 55:52

Say that one more time.

Speaker 2: 55:54

To be fully prepared, you must be truthful and vulnerable to your ignorance.

Speaker 1: 56:01

Mm-hmm. With that said, we are out in peace. Peace, he is he.