5 Percent Nation, Masonry & Clock of Destiny- Nakiim Bey

Nakeem Bay's journey from street corners to the United Nations reveals how ancient wisdom can transform not just individual lives but entire communities. Having joined the 5% Nation as a fifteen-year-old in 1981, Bay shares how memorizing 120 lessons in just six months laid the foundation for a lifetime of continuous learning and evolution.The conversation takes us through the powerful brotherhood of the 5% Nation during the 1980s—a time when "we was a bond that you could not break." Bay describes the tight-knit community where members studied together, cried together, and shared knowledge on street corners and in parks. This foundation of brotherhood, discipline, and intellectual rigor prepared him for his next evolution when he entered Masonry at just nineteen years old.Through Masonry, Bay gained practical knowledge of parliamentary procedure, protocol, and governance structures—skills that would later prove invaluable in diplomatic settings. His intellectual curiosity then led him to Moorish Science and the metaphysical teachings of the Clock of Destiny. Throughout his narrative, Bay emphasizes the importance of extracting valuable principles from each tradition while avoiding becoming dogmatically attached to any single system.Perhaps the most powerful insight Bay offers is his approach to knowledge acquisition: "Don't be like a cucumber and go in the vinegar and come out a pickle. Go in the vinegar and come out a cucumber." This vivid metaphor encapsulates his philosophy of maintaining core identity while exploring diverse intellectual traditions. Today, as a diplomatic strategist and human rights consultant trained by institutions including Oxford University and the United Nations, Bay demonstrates how ancient wisdom can be applied to contemporary global challenges.What makes this conversation truly enlightening is Bay's warning against stagnation: "Many people in all those schools stay on 6 and never go to 7 and beyond." His journey reminds us that knowledge is infinite—and that continuous growth requires both strong foundations and the courage to explore beyond established boundaries. The ultimate measure of wisdom isn't credentials or titles, but what you contribute: "We got to show and prove, not show and tell."

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:11

what's going on everybody ? It's ron brown , lmt , the people's fitness professional , alongside the co-host . He finally got he's finally got his uh , his , his sound effects right now .

Speaker 1 0:27

He's kind of happy about that we're going to have a sound effects battle , yo , so Peace . We got the legendary Nakeem Bay in the building . We got to call him . We got to give people their flowers while they're still here . You know what I'm saying . Living legends , nakeem's been around the community for a long , long time , moving and shaking . From how I see Brother Nakeem Bay is , he is . He moves like a man , like a real man , like old school . He doesn't say too much , but you see the action . You see more action than he says . You know what I'm saying and I respect that . That's a great example for guys coming up younger than you . You know what I'm saying . I need to take a page out of your book . So peace to you , nakeem Bey , how you be , how you be tonight .

Speaker 3 1:34

I'm maintaining , brothers , I'm maintaining , and they just peace Indeed .

Speaker 1 1:38

All right , so we're taking I just want to send Mike this right here we're taking everybody through your history , like who you are , and so they get a understanding of why I'm calling you a legend and Mikey Fever even called you a legend . Right , mikey Fever ? Most ?

Speaker 2 1:57

definitely I did . I ordered his book what's the clock to destiny when he was selling on his website .

Speaker 1 2:04

Okay , that was a while back right .

Speaker 2 2:11

Yeah , I didn't hear what you said . I said that was a while ago , that's like 2012 . I think 2012 , 2013 .

Speaker 3 2:18

I got the book A 5% book .

Speaker 2 2:22

Nah , the Clock of Destiny .

Speaker 3 2:25

Oh , cld , cld , right , right . Oh , cod , cod , right , right , right , right . I pour it all the way . Yeah , yeah , COD Around that time .

Speaker 1 2:34

Now , now you gave me pretty much like a bio . You know for yourself . So it says diplomatic strategist , human rights consultant and protocol expert , trained by institutions such as Oxford University , harvard Business School online , et cetera , and the United Nations . You need , you need our training and can you , can you ? Before we break that down , I want to start from . I want to start from knowledge from the first degree .

Speaker 3 3:12

Now , when you first came into the teachings , what year was that ? 1981 . Wow , 1981 .

Speaker 1 3:33

Yeah , I was 15 at that time . I'll be 60 in august . Wow , wow . So you had , you had knowledge before , before we were born , or in . Uh , when I was , I was like one year , I was , I was a one-year-old when I wasn't thought of no , you were thought of you , just said you were thought of you were on the way .

Speaker 1 3:46

You were on the way . You were right behind me , man , you were right behind me . So I was one . Mike wasn't even here yet and you had the knowledge already . Yeah , so when you came into , how did you ? What were you before ? 5% .

Speaker 3 4:06

Wow . So when you came into , how did you ? What were you before ?

Speaker 1 4:10

five percent , um wow that's that's best to find that . What you mean . What was I before I was five percent , were you ?

Speaker 3 4:15

were you catholic ? Were you christian ? Were you no , no , no , I was actually none of that . Um see , when I was 15 , a brother named you know , he walked on my side . I was walking . He mentioned to me that the black man was God and that was it . And I didn't have no problem with that because I never believed in a mystery God , something you could not see . And just knowing that , if you remember , there was babies found in garbage cans , cinerators . There was so much going on . You remember there were babies found in garbage cans , incinerators . There was so much going on , you know , at that time I said to myself how can there be a God somewhere in the sky ? This is going on .

Speaker 3 4:55

I don't think God is going to let this happen . There's a God of such belief , you know . So you know , I believed in myself , you know . You know , I believed in myself . You know , you know , I believed in myself . So that was the first exposure and I was still in the dead world , or we'll call it the world with no mentors , the world with no advisors to guide me and I , at a younger age , around that same time , I remember 15 , I took a bicycle at the pizza shop on 125 , where they have now Checkers there . It was a Fuji .

Speaker 3 5:36

Remember the Fuji bikes . You know that was a big thing . I don't think y'all know that , but it was a Fuji bike back then and when I took the bike I was young and naive , I didn't know any better . Again , that was when I only heard that was God . And then at that time I took the bike . I went to Sparfield for maybe like three weeks in the Bronx and there was two fiber centers in there . They gave me something called mathematics and alphabets and taught me the 52 blocks . You know , I was young then , you know .

Speaker 2 6:19

Did your house rock .

Speaker 3 6:21

Yeah , 52 blocks , you know .

Speaker 1 6:28

Wait before you go into that story , right ?

Speaker 3 6:29

so originally you're from the bronx or harlem . No well , I was born at um and hospital I was born in my head I was . I was born at um , over there by the Audubon Ballroom . That's where I shot at . Okay , that's the height .

Speaker 3 6:46

Washington Heights , I was born in a preparatory hospital and then from there I was sent to Florida , hollywood , florida in the south About age five and then later on , probably like around age 11 , 12 , give and take , I was sent back with my mom's here in New York City , you know . And then a few years later , you know , I was exposed to the knowledge of the 5% through the Garson City , who lived in Foster Projects , also known as one of the King Projects , you know . And then from there I went to Sparbrook . I was still young , no dad around , no big brothers , you know . And so for my moms and I then , you know , for spot , for I did , like three weeks , you know , did some five centers gave me the knowledge .

Speaker 3 7:50

I came out here and went to a law school it's called Law School All Laws , law School of Mecca . Yeah , right , right , right , I went there and that's when the journey began and I got something called 120 Lessons in Six Months , in Memory , verbatimly , you know , um a man , kashim , who I uh , studied together with . He got his lessons in um seven months , right , you know , we have to show and prove everything that was in it . You know , he got his flag before I did because I still had ways of the unrighteous . I was very reactionary , I responded to certain things , you know , sometimes without thinking , you know . So I had to kind of refine it with civilization and righteousness . And then I got my flag after he got his flag , you know . So we started together but I was exposed to the lesson 120 degrees . I was privileged , I mean a lot of the elder brothers , you know , were taught by the founder Allah himself . People called climate the ex-bif , some called him Putin , you know right . And then , when I got 120 degrees , I was on my path on my own thereafter .

Speaker 1 9:08

OK , so you were on your own thereafter now . So what , how ? What was the climate in the nation , in the city around that time ? So we're talking in the 80s now .

Speaker 3 9:22

You know the climate at that time in the 80s . We was a bond that you could not break . We was a family . You know we was tight . You know we was one . You see true brotherhood , true , true family . You know that was your family , you know , and it was always meant to . You know we always studied . True , true family . That was your family and it was always meant to . We always studied . You remember 15 , 8 , 16 , 17 , and 18 , 19 . We studied together , we were playing , we were crying together , we were visiting other homes . You know it was the bond .

Speaker 3 10:03

You saw us on the street corners dropping the knowledge . You saw us on the street corners dropping the knowledge . You saw us in the park , on the train . You know our parliaments , that we had Harriet Tubman right . You couldn't walk through the aisles without saying excuse me , excuse me , excuse me . You couldn't . You know , look to the left or right on the walls . The stages were full . That was our numbers , you know . But we were unified .

Speaker 3 10:26

Some called this misunderstanding our unity as like a , like a gang , like police is a gang . The firefighters are a gang because they always stayed together . They called the five percent that . No , we weren't that . We were just brothers that loved one another . And you know , like you tell us in our families , don't let nobody break up your family , don't let anybody come between your brothers and sisters . We always fostered a strong love for one another . Nothing came between us . We never fought one another in the face , because a lot of times you fight your brother and not him in the face . We just had love for one another . That was our bond . But we cherished knowledge Always , I think , because the law emphasized us to get educated , to get the knowledge and become a better man , you know , become a better woman and become something and add on to the value of your family and your country . But most of all , take care of the babies .

Speaker 2 11:23

Yep .

Speaker 1 11:24

That was the environment at that time indeed , and indeed , and now , now , um , in the 90s would you say that , like , maybe hip-hop might have , uh , made it stronger ? Possibly in the 90s , after the 80s , because in the 80s I was , I wasn't , I was a day I didn't even know , I didn't know what was going on really , you know what I mean . So , like in the 80s , because in the 80s I was big , I didn't even know , I didn't know what was going on really , you know what I mean . So in the 80s I didn't know what was going on . I didn't come into knowledge until 96 . So before 96 , what was the climate ? Was it still the same , like the brotherly love ? Tight , because I remember coming around , it was tight 96? .

Speaker 3 12:08

I mean it was really after , maybe like the Giuliani age . I mean Giuliani , you know the man , the man , yeah , yeah . Yeah , we was tight . See , not much we're elders now , a lot of us right , we was always tight . See , not as much we're elders now , a lot of us . Right , we was always tight and some of us are still strong like that , because A like A , b , c , a like B like C , like , if you're my A like that means you don't be like me . If you don't see like me , that means you're not me , you see what I'm saying .

Speaker 3 12:41

Right , we don't believe in the sense of brothers right , I can be an other , and our nation is about being myself . We are one .

Speaker 3 12:53

We don't have friends , so we define things . A friend will fry you in , right ? So we had a bond from the time I came in knowledge , prior that time , up until like , maybe , like , ah , I mean wow , I mean now it's too strong , not as strong as it was back then . But you know , I don't see the waiver that strong , you know , because I'm 60 , but I'm still God's original man , right , we have grown in wisdom over time . You know what I mean , right , and we'll hold us together as always , that knowledge , that oneness , you see .

Speaker 1 13:49

Indeed indeed , indeed . So now .

Speaker 3 13:53

Oh , pardon me about the rappers . No , no , what they did , like B Daddy King , Rakim Nas , Busta Rhymes Rock . Kim Nas , Busta Rhymes , right Lock . Kim Shabazz , Love , hey , Love , hey , Love , right . These guys they had Erykah Badu right , right , right . They had the knowledge and they manifested through their music , through their lyrics , and it attracted the unconscious Asian addicts , whom we call the 85 percent right , right . It um attracted them for the knowledge .

Speaker 3 14:29

So it helped , kind of like bring them closer to us to the knowledge you know I'm saying right and then make us stronger , because it's a knowledge makes you strong you know knowledge out right , but they did what they had to do for their job , and that was to put their lyrics and their science right , to manifest it to the world , to make them better in their journeys .

Speaker 2 14:52

So basically it attracted the curious minds , but they didn't actually live out to the principles .

Speaker 3 14:58

Absolutely . I mean , you know , see , whether Christianity , you know whether it be a Catholic , you know a Muslim , you know whether it be a Catholic , you know a Muslim , you know . Only the strong can survive . So a lot of people are curious . We go in the mainstream , you're curious . You go more science , you're curious . But only the strong can survive and only the faithful can survive , because knowledge can make you or it can break you .

Speaker 3 15:22

That's true , you know what I'm saying Based on your level of consciousness , you know , I mean based on your journeys , your experience and what you understand actually for that actual fact .

Speaker 1 15:34

So after , after , after having 120 and building with the gods and earths for a certain amount of time , at the last time I saw you in a physical , we were in front of a law school . We were in front of a law school at an art show . I think Brother Suñez and Inf they put that together , I think also Born King , I think , if I'm not mistaken . So you're still building with the nation right now , but after that , after having 120 , back in the days like the 90s and all that , and then you went on your journey . You said you went on your own . Where did you go after that ?

Speaker 3 16:24

Let me first share it with you . Right . So see , the 5% , a lot of 5% . I never left it because it's the root of my knowledge and that gave me the foundation to learn and to master all things within my view , right , master all things within my view , right . So like if you got a magnetic , a magnet here and a magnet here , you kind of bring them together . What happened ? It repels , right , right . So it's a lot of magnetic over there , a lot of magnetism over there .

Speaker 3 16:59

Right , my job , not among the living , my job is among those who don't know , right , right . So I go among those who I don't know . But in that path I travel . So my first stop , yeah , was Maceery . It was Maceery first , and then it was more science , because , see , 120 degrees , they are scholarly lessons . You know what I'm saying ? It forces you , if you're sincere , to journey , to verify or try to disprove certain things , and always teach or tell people , if you cannot disprove it , that it may suddenly be true to you . So I journey to make sure I join the Morish signs and certain schools of learning , like our brother Jesus , you know , he has gone .

Speaker 3 17:56

You know I'm going to go . He was cast out . I'm going to be cast out . Certain things , there's certain principles .

Speaker 3 18:04

So 123 is a math , but first you got to know . You must know first what Allah gave us . Allah gave us the pre-mathematics and the pre-alphabets in order to master the Muslim lessons . If you do not study those two and learn it and master it , you won't become a Muslim or be confused . Now , being a Muslim , right , those who accept accordingly what the law taught . See , farah was one page , you know . Saddam Hussein was another page , right , allah was his page in the book . So , in order to not become a victim of any other studies , you need to know the alphabet . And then you got to know 120 degrees through the understanding from a God consciousness . Any other perspective that you draw it up from , from you'll get lost . So you need that foundation now .

Speaker 3 19:11

I have watched individuals go into masonry and become a victim , meaning they got involved and they put lessons to the side . I've watched brothers go into more science . Same thing they put to the side . Have you not forgotten what got you there ? Right , you know what I'm saying . That's only an introduction for you . These lessons will take you even further than that . What happens when you go into mainstream ? You get bored , you drop out . You go into more science you get bored . Inactivities on both sides , you drop out . If you have never more science , you get bored . Because inactivities on both sides , you drop out . If you had never left your 120 degrees to the side , you would have kept on going , but you have to , as they say . I sincerely love a lot of mathematics . That don't only apply to the woman , it apply to you . Do you sincerely love what you was taught ? Are you really on that path ? You know what I'm saying , right ? So , to answer your question , at first it was masonry and I was 19 years old when I went to masonry .

Speaker 2 20:22

Wow , certain places 21 . Second person I heard winning at a young age yeah so 19 so what laws .

Speaker 1 20:39

Can you , can you tell ?

Speaker 3 20:40

us what laws you went into . Well , at that time , at that time , there were four thatletter laws . Well , you got four-letter and three-letter right , which is ancient Freese , southern Masons . That was on 125th Street , right 25th and up on Lanx Avenue . But I'm going to be honest , telling the laws is totally , really irrelevant , because there's so many branches , there's so many divisions of it . You know what I'm saying . I deal with the substance of it . I'm still in the school of thoughts today .

Speaker 1 21:10

You know . Okay , so when you got there , I had my experience with masonry . Mike has his experience with masonry . I would say masonry , that experience with going into the lodge was unforgettable . You can't forget that .

Speaker 2 21:30

Beautiful , beautiful , beautiful . Let's just leave it like that . Beautiful , beautiful experience , and if you don't understand what's going on around you , you'll be lost . I'm going to keep it plain and simple Allegories through symbolism . If your brain is working , you know what you're doing . That's just leaving it .

Speaker 1 21:51

So now you went into masonry at 19 . And then how , what , what , what did you reach at ? You know at what point , like because 19 is , that's a young age . At what point , like because 19 is , that's a young age . So I would think , like by 22 , you were pretty much somebody in your lodge , if you will , for lack of better term .

Speaker 3 22:14

We know , in 19, . Um , I was a four letter that went to Prince hole . I went Memphis and Ms Ram . So I traveled and I went to the European jurisdiction . You know Scottish right ? You know , yeah , scottish rides with one side , yoga ride is another side . I traveled there . I became a Shriner . I got 33 with a regular mainstream history . I got 99 degrees in Memphis and Miss Ram , I had it for years . You know what I mean . But let me give you some good parts here of understanding . Make sure , because y'all traveled in the law before . So make sure . It's the science of democracy . It teaches you parliamentary procedure and protocol . It teaches you chain of command , your master , senior warden , junior warden , deacons and so forth right and how to stand , how to address the floor .

Speaker 3 23:18

You are being taught how to deal with the world of government .

Speaker 2 23:23

Talk about it . We had a conversation the other day , ron , remember you texted the brothers . You said the way government functions , that's Masonic .

Speaker 3 23:33

Right , I did say that I did say that right .

Speaker 1 23:38

Yeah , that was in the chat , right yeah .

Speaker 3 23:41

You see , so people get in the mainstream for the esotericism , if I'm concerned , if you got the first three degrees , everything else is really a plus degree . Right , but forget about all the partying and the dancing , all the other stuff going on . Those are lower vibrations . You know what I mean . Maitre teaches you how to be . My first suit was in Maitreyi Black suit , you know . Black tie , white shirt , black wingtip shoes and black socks .

Speaker 3 24:18

You was among grown men and grown women . You age 19 and 20 years old , right ? So you're getting a level of maturity . You can see , for me , you want to . The five senses , it's another culture , right ? M ? So you're getting a level of maturity . You can see , for me , you want to . It's another culture , right ?

Speaker 3 24:30

Maestria is another culture , so anything is a growing stage . So now you're in Maestria and now you're learning parliamentary procedure , you're learning government , you're learning how to engage with another , you're learning the value of being a brother to each other . You're learning how to assist a brother in need or sister in need and and in return . But you , you're not going in there because you want something . You're going there because you want to be among people that can help you grow and and develop . Are you just curious and be a curiosity ? You want to learn more and more and grow more and more . You know what I'm saying . You can go up all the degrees , but you learn . In the old school they taught you how you go . Everyone has come back down to the first three degrees .

Speaker 2 25:22

That's a fact . You know what I mean .

Speaker 3 25:27

People want to play with the handshakes and the grips and play with words and do all this stuff in the book . Listen , they don't even do that no more , and they're not .

Speaker 3 25:37

Mishri . Mishri is an upright man . You know what I'm saying . You know , I know the thing about the discernment of God . You already know it . Don't say that anyway . You know what I'm saying . Meshri makes men good men better men , not bad men good . It makes good men better . So in Meshri , when you say symbolism you mentioned earlier about them symbolism is a symbol used to present a hidden meaning . That's the north , that's us earlier brother . Symbolism is a symbol used to present a hidden meaning .

Speaker 3 26:08

Right , that's the north , that's us and the south . You know , maitreya is defined as paternalism , you know , right . So when you study Maitreya , you're studying good government , you're studying orderliness and you're studying justice , you're studying God concept of governorship . You know , and the more you go up , truly , the more you learn . And you learn history . As a Shriner , you learn to respect all religions . Any of you , a modern Shriner , respect all religions , right , right , right . So these are the fundamental principles that I have learned when I traveled those paths of regular Masonry , from 1 to 33 degrees .

Speaker 1 26:59

Okay , that's peace , that's peace . Now I want to go into talking about , after going through Masonry , what got you into more science , and did you go straight to the clock or did you ? How did you get to more science ?

Speaker 3 27:16

I got to more science , so , truthfully , let me tell you through Messiah , all right .

Speaker 1 27:25

Shouts out to Messiah . Yes , yes , because in , in , in , in nation of .

Speaker 3 27:26

God's nerves Shout out to Messiah , yes , yes , Because in A Nation of God's Nerves there was about 15 God who studied Mori science and had to bring it To our nation . And no smoking , no drinking , and that doctrine , you know , you got to be able to respect other Houses . You know what I mean . Doctrine , you know , you've got to be able to respect other houses , you know what I mean Right .

Speaker 3 27:51

You know you can't force or compel anybody to do anything that they don't want to do Right , but nonetheless you know they can no longer bring that teaching in the nation of gods and earths Right . So in that process I knew Messiah , I knew other brothers too . Process , I knew Messiah , I knew other brothers too , but it was Messiah . So Messiah had more science . I had Meshuri , so I gave him esoteric side of Meshuri and he gave me some clock credentials , you know and that was my introduction to it .

Speaker 3 28:24

You know I went to the Grace Association of Moral Affairs for about three months . I used to say why are you there ? Because this , because of that , I'm an old man , so I journeyed there . Some history happened in the past . It's how I got the clock of destiny . I can mention a certain name that can verify it Raleigh and Tyler . Who do you know Raleigh ? You know Messiah man , god , even Hakeem Bay , the Hurt-E-Eel I name these more that they can say . You know I was dead when Hakeem got the right to the clock edition .

Speaker 1 29:00

Man , you're naming some heavy hitters right there Now . As far as the Bay Cypher , do you know anything about the Bay Cipher ?

Speaker 3 29:12

I couldn't really tell you , michael , I wasn't a member of that Bay Cipher . I just knew that they were sharply dressed , clean fences , very articulate , very unified , and they only had like the Moorish run and a few pages of the more excellent Constitution . How I was told , and I had a car called the clock of destiny . It was not the correct car but they had a card and you had , brother , a leak . He was one of the forerunners of it , for sure , and you know that's what I was . I was informed about them .

Speaker 1 29:49

Now , was it like a group of gods and Moors , or was it just Moors ?

Speaker 3 29:54

No , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . You know you can't be a bunch of Moors and these are gods and earths Talking to you . Moors , you're trying to influence us . That ain't happening , Right .

Speaker 3 30:04

These people were gods that took on the science . You know who claim also like me . You know , my nationality is most American . I'm American , I'm part and parcel of the state government Of the USA , right , but my nature is God , right . If I was Greek and I said I was God , you would say , yeah , okay , you're Greek , right , so my nature is God . If I was Greek and I said I was God , you would say , yeah , okay , you're Greek , right .

Speaker 1 30:30

So my nature is God . Other than that , it's the devil .

Speaker 3 30:34

The Bible says you are in my image and likeness . So the likeness Is the qualities , the potential . It's not saying that I have reached that full potential , but how can you turn from God the qualities , the potential . It's not saying that I haven't reached that full potential , but how can you turn from God and still be God Right ? So they're not turning away from the true reluctance from which you came . The essence of yourself is who you are .

Speaker 2 31:04

I have a question when you got into more science , what made you know ? Did you see the difference ? Were you able to differentiate the regular Morris Science , morris Teachings , morris Science Teachings of America from CMB's teaching ?

Speaker 3 31:19

Absolutely , absolutely . See , the Morris Science Team of America follows the 101 questionnaire . Circle 7 , moorish Charan Right and the petons of the prophet . The word of mouth are sayings they're not involved with anything really . On the outside of that Some may have the clock book and so forth , but that's on the sideline . The clock of destiny that I had right , you know . As Sharif Anubi said one time on Facebook I was giving the Facebook interaction Someone asked the clock of destiny , who are they ? And Sharif Anoubey said Grand Sheik . Now he is in Syracuse . They're like the Semiboulais right , second Pied Five right .

Speaker 3 32:18

And how I discern that is that we are professional men and women in the Clock of Destiny . You know what I'm saying . We don't do anything against state , federal or city government . You know what I'm saying . We don't do anything against the state , federal or city government . You know what I'm saying . We believe in being industrious and successful . We don't talk about anyone in a bad way . That causes me to cheat for bloodshed in the land . We have principles . The NBA addresses . You know , no drugs , none of that . Now you have the MST of A and you have the Clock of Destiny . You know , alright , you have those in the middle , a little bit of Drew , a little bit of CMB and a little bit of the Freemans Waco , texas Posse Committee , solomon Group right , but they have no home over there and no home over there and none of us don't want them .

Speaker 3 33:23

And they happen to get caught up into the middle . But they know to go over there they got to deal with the doctrine of humility , religion that humbles you Right . Yeah , they know that if you go to the clock of destiny you got to be a professional . You know there's a more . There's a more . Called me up a couple months ago about clock of destiny , about nationality . I said you go to MSTFA here . You got to work .

Speaker 2 33:53

I think it's more esoteric teachings on Clock of Destiny , it's more astrology and science itself .

Speaker 3 34:01

Absolutely .

Speaker 2 34:01

Metaphysics .

Speaker 3 34:03

Yeah , that's Clock of Destiny . Go to MSTFA because some of these mores they need to learn about the prophet and about Jesus and his journeys , his seven cycles . You know what I mean . They need refinement . They need to know their lowest and highest self .

Speaker 2 34:19

You know what I ?

Speaker 3 34:20

mean that's the first step . Some of them jump right into the knowledge . So yes , brother , I see a difference , right , and it's primarily in the culture of them . Actually , I was thinking about the day , literally speaking , shutting down the Clark College .

Speaker 2 34:41

Nah , don't do that .

Speaker 3 34:42

You know I was thinking about that , because these people of color need to go to MSC of A . They need to practice humility and know that the lowest self , all those things that does harm not only to themselves and to their family but to the community of nations of the world . See , understanding that with you .

Speaker 1 35:11

Got you so you went to . You went through Morris Science with you , went to Morris Science Because of Messiah's , because you guys traded information , messiah , and then Messiah brought you Didn't necessarily bring you through , but he gave you some information . From there you went to the clock of destiny , right ?

Speaker 2 35:36

Yes .

Speaker 1 35:37

Okay Now , how did you become a person that had the so-called keys to the clock of destiny ?

Speaker 2 35:45

I think my daughter Minds , on Pistols right the name that I mentioned , huh keys to clock of destiny . I'm thinking about clock Mine's on pistols , Ron .

Speaker 3 35:50

The name that I mentioned , huh .

Speaker 2 35:52

Mine's on . Ron's thinking about pistols right here . He's like the clock . I was like the clock . I'm like my bad .

Speaker 3 36:06

So the names I mentioned earlier . There was a man named . He was 80 years old , right , he returned to the essence of life at age 82 . Joseph Dumas Bay gave me the revised Clark Investor card and tax card and , you know , temple card and constitution and other documents . He gave me a package the only few still have today . When CMA had a stroke . He wrote down some meaningful stuff in it . I said Messiah , would you mind going and make copies for the brothers ? Messiah made copies for everybody . Hakeem man got everybody else in that room . I had copies and so I got it to do with bay doing .

Speaker 3 36:56

Bay was the minister of law under dr sam bay minister of law , and I met him in Cleveland Ohio , you know , and he decided to come to New York City with some other malls in Cleveland Ohio to give me the materials to reinstate the Clark order , you know , and the Clark order , if you read the preamble , it's very simple . It's about industry . Malls from the clock are supposed to be dealing with businesses , setting up businesses , dealing with good government enterprises . The same is said of the Europeans and Asiatics that put on one another for economic and social progress . You see , so the morals on the clock are supposed to be doing the works Of economic Advancement , progress For the good of all humanity , not just people of Black , brown , red and yellow , but also the Caucasian seed . You see what I'm saying . So I got it through Dumas Bay and the great name I mentioned , mangar Allah Il Raleen , salahuddin Il , you know and the Hurtil Messiah Bay , hakeem Bay I can go down the list right .

Speaker 3 38:20

They would then say I've been witness , you see . So don't question me , ask them to verify and they'll tell you so . A lot of people fought and they want this knowledge . But this is adept knowledge , like MSTFA . If we go to the adept chamber , you at first deal with the fundamentals . You can't just walk to the adept chamber like they should guard . Gone to the nurse , you don't get plus degrees A lot of .

Speaker 2 38:53

I mean .

Speaker 3 38:54

A lot of manifests .

Speaker 2 38:56

The dimensions . You have to study .

Speaker 3 39:00

It took me six months To get anything plus . So you have people Come to the clock , people come to MSTA and say y'all want to jump the gun . You see everything in the process . You got to earn yours Just while they were able to do the ambassador stuff for the nation . Talk about the federal government and after that let go . Because international power was called in the US and I was released Because there's a certain science with the clock of destiny that allows people of color to become economically self-sufficient .

Speaker 2 39:38

I've seen that in the book , In volumes one and two , you had the numbering table of the colors , the frequency , the equivalent of every color . I know brown was zero , was all I think , black . I forgot how it went but it went through zero , through nine , the mathematics . The Morse code , the Morse code , and then .

Speaker 3 39:56

The code to the atomic bomb right .

Speaker 2 39:58

Yeah .

Speaker 3 39:59

Right , absolutely .

Speaker 2 40:00

And he spoke about the world events astrologically from Hitler's birthday and other people's birthday and the Zodiacs . You know Hitler's birthday and other people's birthday and the Zodiacs I looked up on my side the Taurus affects the hips , Aries is the head and all that stuff . This is straight astrology right here .

Speaker 3 40:15

It's real . All you gotta do is look at it and see it in yourself . Cmd taught us how to deal with humanity as a whole . See what I'm saying . A lot of individuals . They didn't come for the pure science , so as God sits back and you watch them fall to the wayside . But the clock is one of the keys to my experience for the improvement of our people . But you have to be , you know , knowledgeable , you know Nazmul , you know educated , you see , you know .

Speaker 1 40:55

Gotcha . So now , after Clock of Destiny and doing what you did there , how did you become a diplomatic strategist ? And you know this part of your bio diplomatic strategist . You know , when I your your bio diplomatic strategy , you know , when I see you online , I always wonder like , how do you get over there ? What is he doing over there ? Well , how did that happen over there ? Like on you , if you watch , if you've been watching them online on facebook for years , yeah , it's like everywhere over there .

Speaker 1 41:23

How'd you end up over there ? Like , how did that happen ? So , like , when you say diplomatic strategist and human rights consultant and protocol , all of this , it's now ringing bells to me . Oh , okay , now , how did you get into doing that stuff ?

Speaker 3 41:40

Okay , Let me give you some basic knowledge . Very important , brothers , very important , all listeners , all the schools that I mentioned , especially the 5% . Basic knowledge , very important , brothers , very important to all listeners , all the schools that I mentioned , especially the 5% . Let me start there . It gives you discipline when you heed the knowledge . It gives you refinement because you clean yourself up . It means you know how to dress , how Allah taught us , right . Dress your best right . Right , be clean right .

Speaker 3 42:15

Mathematics , english see lesson number one right . So more as I mean more as brothers have to know how to talk to others , communicate without using profanity , know how to deal with the tone system . Knowing body language . Right , because love and the great outburst is king for king , king or kingdom , right . So to be a king , you got to be a ruler . To be a ruler , you got to be humble but yet assertive , with wisdom . Right , you have to be able to be non-emotional , like many gods are right and not reactionary to things that will cause an effect . So it teaches you some fundamentals right To be a leader . To be a leader , to be a leader , you got to know how to engage others and deal with others of different cultures .

Speaker 3 43:12

Now , the one thing that the law taught us when we were babies that we are not anti-white and we are not pro-black . We are not anti-white and we are not pro-black . That gives you the opportunity To deal with all nations of the earth Without being pro-black , right or anti-white . We deal with justice and righteousness , right , so that being instilled in growing up with that , you know , and we build it on a corner we learn to respect another man , another woman's understanding , right , right . So what happened ? I know my equality , right , and through my equality , you see the God in me . Right , you will have a level how you build on that . I'm going to learn to respect how you build Right , because you got to show and prove how you see it to help me understand your angle . And in reverse , that means you now have learned how to deal with communication and respecting other people . What Ideology .

Speaker 1 44:26

Right , real quick , just to go to the chat . Benjamin Bay , you might have missed it so you don't know what he's talking about , but he's basically explaining how you know the teachings from the 5% Nation .

Speaker 2 44:38

Teaches you how to basically be man and then god at the end of the day just focus just teaching you how to focus , how to zone in , how to tune into yourself the discipline , the rigorous studies going over your lessons which is it helps um increase your focus , as he's , as he said , in your discipline . Respond .

Speaker 3 44:59

Right , that's what I'm saying on that scale .

Speaker 3 45:01

Now I'm coming up to the whole diplomatic point of view . Right , so now you go to more science . The prophet said Morris , look at this . The prophet said Morris , allow the government to exist long enough for you to learn government . The prophet said Morris , if I have your education , I can use you . Right ?

Speaker 3 45:25

The prophet said Mors , be among the affairs of men . Right , and they refined it . Sure , indeed , peace . Right , this is what the prophet said . No , but you are elite . Right , so I'm , prophet said , right , so I'm sitting among the affairs of men and women . Right , I dress my best , the best of my ability . I learn to communicate with nations of the earth when I sit at delegate sessions , at the UN , for example . Right , you know , I know how to turn on and mellow out , to turn off to a certain degree . Right , because the prophet had a plan . So you have a law , a law that the earth is to be built on . Right , a law that we're part and parcel of this head government . So we got to know how to work in the government , be part of the government , but still satisfy the affairs of our people .

Speaker 1 46:23

Wait , you mean the prophet said be in part and partial of the government .

Speaker 3 46:27

Absolutely Right , because you said Allah . Allah said the earth is to be built on .

Speaker 1 46:33

Right . And then after that you said Allah said be part and partial of the government . You meant to say Nubu Juwali .

Speaker 2 46:42

Pardon me , ron , we just got to be right and exact on it because you got fanatics that will get on here and argue no doubt you got to be part of this government .

Speaker 3 46:55

Now we're somewhere overseas , now we're foreigners , we're Moroccan descendants born in America , not Moroccans born in Morocco and came here . But I won't get into that right now . But the point I'm making look at the evolution , look at the change . So you go from the 5% , then you go into the Morish science , then you go into Meishri I'm still talking about that right Ministry is government Discipline . You know right . So now here you go .

Speaker 3 47:28

So I'm sitting back and doing the knowledge because my zodiac sign says I deal with diplomacy Absolutely . I travel Absolutely what I do . So I am certified with the US Diplomatic Human Rights Institute out of DC . I'm certified a human rights consultant . I personally have a case right now with somebody in Long Island who's Haitian-American . He was traveling to Haiti through Dior . The officers stopped him , violated the law regarding him and he never made it to Haiti and he never made it to Haiti . So the CEO of an NGO with the United Nations . I advised them , ecosar , the UN . They needed somebody to do human rights . They contacted me . So I have a current case pending in DR regarding this matter . Since August , the 6th of last year , I'm certified in that area that I can address Right . Okay , also UN diplomatic protocol through UNITAR .

Speaker 2 48:57

UN .

Speaker 3 48:57

Institute training right Academy , we go on . It's a UN organ that trains many officials and other organs in the UN in different areas . So I was trained by Sister Lawrence from Trinidad two years ago in UN protocol training . So what that basically means is how to welcome dignitaries , how to address them , how to arrange the flights , the red carpet , the vehicles engaging them regarding their security right Overseas everything that involves executive protection down to the process procedure . I have been trained in that right . So you see diplomatic strategy . You can look at Oxford . It's like the strategy program I completed right . I can go on with other Ivy League universities I have studied under . So that comes from that perspective . So there goes the evolution . See the Black Messiah , who was one of the non-borns of Allah , the 5% . I learned this here . He said your plus degree is like your college degree , right . Your certificate , you know right .

Speaker 3 50:28

So it wasn't just the plus lessons , it was also your advanced education . You see , like Allah Khoja , he is an architecture . Who taught me you ? Know , I know brothers got executive MBAs .

Speaker 3 50:50

You know , right , the God beloved . Another architecture , he's a plus degrees . You know what I'm saying . A lot of B return to the essence . You got this BA right . You see what I'm saying , right , you know so . All I did was go into other studies based on my foundation and then follow the map . So you see that . Diplomatic strategy and human rights consultant , right . You see actual certifications , trained in these areas , where it says what are the prescribed laws of Islam ? I would say a person of that ability , right , right . So if you have a certain qualification , certain skill set , certain trainings , then your ability to release it based on the cause that is before you , that is a need .

Speaker 2 51:50

That makes sense , bro . That's deep right there .

Speaker 1 51:52

Indeed .

Speaker 2 51:54

Actually You're doing for your nation . It's what you contribute , what you give back .

Speaker 1 52:00

Right , basically the basic practice of business . You find a need and you fill in that gap .

Speaker 3 52:06

Right , right , right , and that's always the key . You know what I'm saying , the key like right now , what I'm sharing many may be unknown to it .

Speaker 2 52:14

Many may have never heard of it .

Speaker 3 52:16

They say hey , Nikeem is involved with high-level demonstrations , but he came from the grassroots , Exactly Right . I had to be authentic , Right ? You're going to respect me if I'm transparent . I came from and now look . But look at the journey that I've taken the best part for myself . I kept my foundation . Everything else after that I just took the best part for myself and add onto myself , make sure everything was squared and what Perpendicular .

Speaker 2 52:52

Right .

Speaker 1 52:55

Actual fact , actual fact . So , before we , before we close out , um , is there anything that you want to give to the people ? I mean I want to keep having you up . Then I mean you have so much to offer the people . Uh , you know , I want , I want to go back into that finance bill , you know ? Um , next time , uh , but before we close out , uh , if there's anything you want to give to the people , tell the people right now . Give them your Instagram handles , or last words , or what have you .

Speaker 2 53:25

Email website .

Speaker 3 53:26

Yeah , my last word . If you go to Google , you enter Nikeem Bay , comma , bishop , nikeem Bay , ambassador , you know . Or there's Nikeem Bay and you'll see me throughout the whole system . You know I don't approve morals on Facebook because all they talk about is something more-ish , right , and the thing is beyond the rhetoric sometimes . Right , what I'm going to say to this here don't limit your mind . You limit yourself . Don't become dogmatic . Become infinite . Usually , the finite don't comprehend the infinite . It is fine . I was told by one of my dear brothers I got , who passed away If I went to the masonry . I asked him about it . I had 120 degrees then and he said to me don't be like a cucumber and go in the vinegar and come out a pickle .

Speaker 2 54:38

He said go in the vinegar and come out a cucumber and go into vinegar and come out a pickle .

Speaker 3 54:40

He said go into vinegar and come out a cucumber . And I bear witness to the understanding back then , when I was 19 years old , meaning be able to go into different schools of learning , schools of thoughts , without becoming indoctrinated and subject to . But the main thing , the knowledge there helps you improve in your ways and your actions and the knowledge that helps you become prosperous . If what you're learning you are not growing beyond you sitting in a chair , then something is wrong , because wisdom is the application of the knowledge . It's what you apply or the way you make yourself known to others .

Speaker 3 55:33

Don't be just rhetoric or the wisdom that's why I was put by the wise and the power of the wise . Don't because it sounds good and it's beautiful . A example to show and prove through examples . Be refined , learn to speak well , deal with people as people and kill the anti-white and the pro-black , because they're all human families of the planet Earth . Right , and it's about adding on to improve yourself . And the main thing your babies is the key to your legacy and they're going to watch what you see more and you already know it than what you tell them .

Speaker 3 56:19

Don't set no things up in your own household . So bottom line allow is not to help you grow . If you get stagnated , just know it's probably because you have outgrown that phase . Now all of my organizations I still visit all of them . Some people don't understand , right , because you ain't no thief , you don't take and you leave . You pay homage and respect . Sit back and do the knowledge . But don't get dogmatic , because many people in all those schools that I mentioned they stay on 6 and never go to 7 and beyond .

Speaker 2 57:01

Talk about it , yes sir . They stay on six , never go to seven and beyond . Talk about it . Talk about it , yes sir . And do the dogmatic stuff . I'm not a fan of that . Knowledge is infinite . It's everywhere . You pick up from everywhere .

Speaker 3 57:11

Absolutely .

Speaker 3 57:15

Just like CM Bay said in his book , each day is a degree the sun you know , everything orbits around the sun day by day , right , I mean we have to be able to and I say it respect all religions . I mean , I agree , respect all religions . America is great because it is a free constitution . I love going on in the world . How's that in the Bible ? Even that will pass , right , it's only a phase , it's a cipher . We sit back . So I want to say you want to find me , like I said , I don't deal with mores on Facebook .

Speaker 3 58:00

If you're about being industrious , progressive and so forth , don't comment about joining Clock of Destiny and all that stuff , because I want to be around people who's qualified to advance society and not stagnate it . If you're in the MSC , stay there , because there's a lot to learn there . You got clock material , study it , understand it and apply it . But wherever you go , everything is at the developmental stage . This knowledge is taking me to this level . I've sat among high , big interiors of the UN , absolutely , met big people overseas . You know right , it's the knowledge you see , because it says that I'm going to turn this around . In order to teach the science of everything in life , you got to first know it . And in order to know , it you got to go after it .

Speaker 3 58:52

Some may not qualify for a college degree because they don't want to go to college . Get a certification , get something . You know what I mean . Right , you cannot build with nothing , and don't you know ? Just try to learn as you go along , because the building has to first be built . Then come along at the next cycle as an apprentice and learn , you know so , as men , we got to take our lead and by example , the phasers , the flags , the IDs , that don't mean nothing .

Speaker 3 59:28

You've got nothing to show for it , Because at the end the babies will look at us . We got to show and prove , not show and tell .

Speaker 1 59:41

That's a bar right there , man , that's a bar man .

Speaker 2 59:45

You're not going to be happy with that .

Speaker 1 59:48

On that note , thank you for coming out this evening . I really appreciate you . Nakeem B . Thank you , mikey , for joining this evening . Well , why am I telling you that ?

Speaker 3 1:00:01

He's tired , bro , I appreciate it , man , you know .

Speaker 1 1:00:05

Definitely Peace to everybody in the chat . Peace and we are out of here . Peace .

Speaker 2 1:00:12

Peace , oh , oh .