The State Of The Black Community Part 2 - Dr. Paul Dyer

What happens when we confront the hardest truths about our community? Dr. Paul Dyer joins Ron Brown for a raw, unfiltered examination of Black American challenges that goes far deeper than typical conversations about systemic barriers or historical injustice.The fundamental problem, as Dr. Dyer powerfully argues, isn't just economic disparity or educational gaps—it's a crisis of thinking. "We are collectively failed thinkers," he states, challenging listeners to examine how thought patterns within our communities perpetuate cycles of dysfunction even when resources are available. The conversation ventures into uncomfortable territory, questioning why successful Black individuals with vast wealth often remain disconnected from community needs, and proposing that just 1% of a professional athlete's salary, properly directed, could transform entire neighborhoods.What makes this discussion unique is its focus on internal solutions rather than external blame. Dr. Dyer shares insights from his thinking classes, where participants experience profound changes not through traditional training but by learning to rewire their thought processes. The hosts explore how tribalism divides different segments of Black America—African Americans, Haitians, Jamaicans—creating barriers to collective progress that external forces easily exploit.Perhaps most poignantly, they pose a simple question that reveals our community disconnection: "Do you know if your neighbor has rice?" Not luxury items, but basic necessities. This conversation isn't about feel-good solutions or quick fixes, but about the hard, necessary work of transforming how we think individually and collectively. Ready to challenge your own thinking? Listen now and join us for part three of this essential conversation about the future of Black communities in America. Then continue the discussion on our

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Speaker 1: 0:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 0:12

Oh yeah, I forgot. What's up with everybody? What's going on everybody? It's Ron Brown LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, aka Soul Brother number one. On the check-in we got Dr Paul Dyer coming on the live Waiting on him right now. Here he is, dr Paul Dyer. Good evening, dr Paul Dyer. How are you doing this evening?

Speaker 1: 0:35

I'm doing well, man, I ain't doing well. I know you're ripping and running, so good for you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Yeah, man, you know I'm out there. A lot happening, man, a lot happening. What's going on, man? I see you on the on your Instagram. You know you're practicing firearms and shooting and things like that. How often you do that?

Speaker 1: 0:57

I, for me, remember, I'm an old man, so I get to do as much as I like, probably about three days a week easily. Oh man, so I get to do as much as I like, probably about three days a week easily. Oh, wow, okay, being a warrior just as I was. But I always had that spirit inside me to defend, to serve and to put forth wherever I learned. So that's why I stay sharp, it is to help others, it's to help humanity, whether it be mentally sharp or on the range or on the mat or wherever it might be, you know. So I'm gonna stay sharp and I'm gonna provide fruit for everyone to eat so they can learn and and they can start to wonder, and start to think and and do all those great things that conscious people do. So, yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 1:58

Oh uh, oh wait, hold on a second. Oh yeah, mike is still. Mike is still on the other one. You're on the other one, mike. You got to come over here with me, dr Paul Dyer.

Speaker 1: 2:12

You guys got shows running back to back.

Speaker 2: 2:16

Yeah, man. So hey, salute, salute, dino. Peace to awareness daily. So we're talking about the state of the black community, part two. So Wednesday we have a debate coming up to talk about. You know, should we call ourselves black or not? Why shouldn't we call ourselves black? However, today we know what we're talking about when we're saying black. Right, we're talking about our people, right, our people. So the state of the black community as I look out and I mean you can't really tell from Facebook, but if you look at Facebook, if you look at social media, you're going to say the state of the black community right now is going bad. It's going bad, and a lot of the time I'm frustrated about it. And then I just start just rambling on on Facebook because I need another outlet for this.

Speaker 1: 3:15

So don't stop rambling and I'll tell you, don't let your rambles get confused. You may know what you're thinking, you may know what you are trying to convey through your heartstrings, but people are not always in tune. So how they hear things and then how they are emotionally going to connect to their personal hearing, you're going to be out. You know what I mean. I think that's why we can do shows over and over, maybe not for the same people. It's like a fitness magazine for you. They really say the same thing every month for the last 30 years. They put new faces on it. It's just for you. It's an ad magazine.

Speaker 1: 4:07

Any fitness magazine is just nothing but ads. The little things they do tell you hasn't changed. Why would someone now say you know what I want to get into fitness? They're going to start talking about things they read and heard and seen and saw. You're yeah, we've been doing that for a while and the state of the black community has not heard it and they're not listening. It does not matter how many people you push out in front of them saying the economic failure right, we're not even talking about the welfare gap or trying to chase someone else. We're talking about our own personal, collective economic failure. We're also talking about our own, not what the school says, not what statistics say. We failed in our own education. Then you get into academia and we have failed in a grotesque manner in a grotesque manner that it should be put on a.

Speaker 1: 5:28

What do you call when something is like? Opiates is now an epidemic. We are a collectively grossed failed thinkers, grossed, failed thinkers.

Speaker 2: 5:49

That's what it is. That's exactly what's going on. Yo the thinking, it's the thinking.

Speaker 1: 5:58

It's the thinking. It's so scary when you can have a person who has a successful whatever right Successful say like I'm talking, we're talking in a billion, successful, we're talking in like tens and hundreds of millions of dollars successful, and those people are reluctant to put back into black community what it's like, what. And then it seems like if you ask or you put out an ask, you get no response. And then you get well, we're doing a lot. You have a billion. You're worth a billion dollars. You're worth $100 million. What are you talking about dollars? What are you talking about? So many people, so many black people, are just asking if you pay my rent for a year, I can get myself going. That's amazing. How much does that cost? What's your rent cost? Dot, dot, dot, paid. Now go be the strongest you and that's your payback. We're not asking to build us something or to make us something. Give us a chance collectively.

Speaker 3: 7:40

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 7:41

That's the thinking that is so peculiar into the studies of my own education is because, as sad as it says, like you know, we heard about the slave mentality.

Speaker 3: 7:59

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 8:00

Right, we've heard those things, we've read those books and they're spot on. And then you go, now that someone understands that they might have a slave mentality.

Speaker 3: 8:18

What can I?

Speaker 1: 8:18

do to change it?

Speaker 3: 8:20

Dr Dyer, I respect what you said earlier, but then, by you saying that some people will be like well, you want, you are basically encouraging them to be victims, like you're gonna cover their rent for you know, for a year so they can go out there and be the best that they can be right.

Speaker 3: 8:37

On that same note, and then maybe I'm being pessimistic the world doesn't care because we are our own. We are detrimental to ourselves and others. Like we judge, we are our worst judges, especially within our community. Because, depending on some of these circumstances, growing up, like for me for instance, I had to figure things out on my own and I always had that mentality like nobody cares. They could be like, oh, I feel bad for you, but do they really care? So, and I always had that mentality, but nobody cares. They could be like, oh, I feel bad for you, but do they really care? So that's when people try to care.

Speaker 1: 9:08

I'd be like nobody cares really, and you're not wrong, so let's move to the next stage. Then, yeah, let's say I got it. Here it is. I'm giving you a chance, that's it. I'm giving you a chance, that's it. I'm not talking about paving your way, because if I could pay for several families, however, I could afford if I paid this for a year how extraordinary they would be able to be. This is their opportunity and I'm not victimizing it, but I'm taking away one of the barriers.

Speaker 3: 9:50

I respect that that's all.

Speaker 1: 9:54

No one can breadcrumb their way through it.

Speaker 3: 9:57

You're right others will say it to me a thinker.

Speaker 1: 10:04

A thinker and a doer. I'm going to try to remove some barriers, because that's the warrior in me, right, I'm going to try to remove some of these barriers. So now you can make it the next step, but you definitely want to have to figure this out your next step. You definitely want to have to figure this out your next step. You know we had one of the greatest thinkers that I've known and become friends with is Dr George Frazier. He written about this 50 years ago, about the economic prosperity of the black community and how it's failing itself. And we've talked and we said it on the show. It's about your thinking, right, there's not a playbook out there that has studied the Black people pros and cons, but the rest of the world uses it as. How can I turn this over on them, right? So the Black Panthers talked about it.

Speaker 1: 11:18

Many civic leaders and social justice leaders have talked about how they turned yourself against yourself. So, if you hear that, what is your next step? Is it to play into it, no, or is it to understand it, of how you're hearing it and what you could do about your next vision of thought and words and things spoken to you. How do you turn it into an action? And we are not being actionable.

Speaker 3: 11:47

I agree with that. No, I agree what you said.

Speaker 1: 11:51

You know, I'm all about giving back 100 but if we're not actionable for our own selves, we can't do, you can't be for others we can never be for others and then our community can't be actionable.

Speaker 1: 12:04

I'm not talking about this the group doing something, those people doing something, or I could say we and others are doing something. Why aren't you doing anything? I'm pointing my finger at you in a very vicious manner and saying what are you doing? And if you give me an answer, saying it takes me a lot just to get up and go to work, I'm sorry, that's not enough. It's not enough Because when the cities turn very cold and dark and warrior-like, you're not going to have a community that you can depend on and defend, because you don't know your neighbor and you don't even know if they need rice.

Speaker 3: 13:01

I agree with that.

Speaker 1: 13:05

We're not talking about steaks, we're talking about rice. Do they have rice? You bought a big bag, you know, three weeks ago and it's big, but you don't even know if your neighbor needs rice Because they couldn't get a big bag. Exactly.

Speaker 3: 13:21

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 13:22

So we are turned on ourselves, so we're easily defeated.

Speaker 3: 13:26

I agree, I agree, I'm with you on that because, um, my mother raised me to be community-based. Like I watched my mother growing up bring homeless people off the streets into her home me too.

Speaker 1: 13:42

My mom was the same way, yeah and I've done it too.

Speaker 3: 13:44

I pick up hitchhikers. If I'm out with my friends, they see I'm always feeding homeless people in the street, to the point that the guy in the store will be like why do you do that? I'm like because this is the right thing to do, Because that could be you tomorrow.

Speaker 1: 13:56

You never know.

Speaker 3: 13:57

That could be me. Just to have that ray of hope, it feels good. You know, at least I know somebody not going to bed hungry. That could have been their first meal for the day. They won an only meal. So I'm always willing to give. But to go back to that, what you were saying, there's times I've dreams I'd be like you know what. I would do that for the community, help those, help those people out, remove those barriers and those burdens to give them a fresh start. But then there's times people say I wouldn't do it because I had to figure it out. And I'm like it's easy to say that. But how would you put yourself in that person's position? You would have felt good to have somebody give you a fresh start.

Speaker 1: 14:32

But that person who just said that to you is not a thinker. Exactly Right. Here's a realistic part. They become a detriment, right so. They become a hindrance to the next movement. So do we discard them and remove them because they're not helping anything. Now you become useless to us and, I hate to say it. Do we start vigilantly, vigilantly just removing people that aren't good for us? But then you come into who's making that call.

Speaker 2: 15:33

Yeah, yeah, I wanted to go, you know, add on to it your point where you know when, uh, you were speaking of people who are making like hundreds of millions of dollars, 10 million dollars, and they are still not doing anything for the community, however they are, they are just disconnected from the community. So what they do is they'll put money into charities and things like that, and you know, charities, that's a big business, right.

Speaker 2: 16:08

So, they're not putting the money in the spaces where we could really see growth and change in the community because they're disconnected. So that's the problem I see with people who are making that kind of money.

Speaker 1: 16:30

Let me and I did a paper and I wrote a paper about this a long time ago let's go. Let's go here, new York. Let's take one player. How many athletes, pro athletes, are considered to be New York? So we have, let's name. We have the four major teams hockey, basketball, baseball, football and we have two of those because of the Jets, nets, mets, right Islanders.

Speaker 3: 17:08

The Yankees.

Speaker 1: 17:10

Well, yeah, so take one player, pick a borough and pick a neighborhood, and take 1% of their total salary into that neighborhood. How much of a difference do you think it would be A lot. We're not even talking about them giving up 10%, we're talking about 1% of their total salary.

Speaker 2: 17:42

Now, I get that. Now, how about this 1% of that total salary in a neighborhood? What was what would be the first thing? Now here's this is a. This is a hard question. What would be the first thing to fund in that community to see effects?

Speaker 1: 18:01

small black businesses no, no, no, it's. It's actually not as grandiose as that it is to one you know understand living conditions that's true right so prior. So let's go with this. Let's let me not pontificate on all this other stuff. All the stats are in prior to the investment right. All the stats, education, school, all of it right For that neighborhood, the family, the dynamic of the family, the welfare of the family, health, all those are in right. The first thing we do Is to teach thinking.

Speaker 3: 18:51

Mental health.

Speaker 1: 18:53

Is to teach thinking. Now that thinking tree Helps the worker who is working, helps the mom who is struggling to be a mom, because we're teaching thinking and how we or I, individual process. You teach that, I individual process, you teach that. Then the woman man knows that. You know this might think it was kind of off for dot, dot, dot years, 30 years, holy shit. Now I get to have an idea and it could grow. Maybe that idea doesn't grow, maybe the next idea, but thinking is crucial. Einstein said it best. I think he was just like as long as I keep thinking, I'm not talking about answering, but developing a thinking. I ask more questions and I get to see more clear. So that's the first thing I would invest in now.

Speaker 2: 20:08

So what would that? What would that look like? Would that look like well, hold on thinking and speaking. I think I think right so.

Speaker 1: 20:17

So, because I'm that player that works for that team and here's my one percent, I'm going to in that neighborhood there's going to be a service for 24 hours to help with all types of avenues of where people are working, to come in to help teach thinking. Of course, I know the neighborhood because this is almost like me running for office. Right, my office is right there, the office is right there. So my neighborhood is what? Four, six, you know 10 blocks total. I know everything. I know rent payment. I know who needs help. I know rent payment. I know who needs help. I know this is not welfare. This is the 1% that I'm giving to this neighborhood to get a chance.

Speaker 2: 21:20

Now what kind of program would be?

Speaker 1: 21:23

It's not a program. We get tied up into programs and we're thinking of being Outreach. Outreach. It is a resource. It's actually the source, okay, but we know it's a resource because whatever this thing gets, it's going out. So it's being resourced, but it's not like we're hand-giving. I mean, I know you, mr Brown, yes, I know you're working hard and I see you're short on rent, but that's because, I see here, you took three days off.

Speaker 3: 22:11

So, Dr Dyer, so I get the outreach.

Speaker 1: 22:14

The resource is not. We need to change why you took three days off.

Speaker 3: 22:56

So the resource program with outreach I see what you're saying to help out right, because you know mainly it's circumstances in life how people respond or react, because not everyone reacts the same way or responds to adversity. So the first thing I would do is education, as you say. Remove those burdens, those financial burdens. Education puts you in a kind of training environment to help you form.

Speaker 1: 23:24

And I think that's part of my thinking. When I say thinking it is rewiring your processor, right, because we're going to go over how you feel about money, how money reacts to you. Why do you have this thing? So we need to remove those things, some concepts about financials and money, so you can get to a financial gain or an economic lift. You know what I mean. So that's I think. When I say thinking that's part of all that.

Speaker 1: 23:57

Right, it's like I can't keep a job. Well, let's teach you what's going on, right, let's teach you that. Let's get that part of your question Like, why can't you hold down a job? And then we work that, like, you know, your mannerisms are off-putting to the collective, so you have to change this. Yeah, you're going to get some pushback, I don't need to change collective, so you have to change this. Yeah, you're going to get some pushback, I don't need to change anything. That's why you can't keep a job. Or you still want to keep along with that thinking. That's the destruction of the black community, what we call ourselves black pan-Africanism, all that stuff. It is our thought process. We're having certain discussions because we're not thinking like do you want to argue with me, or do you want to think with me? Right, because the conversation is us thinking together.

Speaker 2: 25:02

I think hip-hop is a glue to keep us battling, because hip-hop was brought up on battling.

Speaker 1: 25:14

It got more successful because of the battle. You're correct.

Speaker 2: 25:17

I'm better than you and I got this and you don't have that.

Speaker 3: 25:22

That's like in green psyche, yeah exactly and not thinking that, the ones that they're saying you, you ain't nothing, this, and that are the ones that making you rich. That's the crazy part, it's the fans right, see back.

Speaker 1: 25:36

Then the rappers kind of figure that out. So they use the research that other countries have studied the Black race and they knew that would work, so they used it and it worked. It made the money they made. They're not talking about the breakdowns of the people, the black thinking they. They was never thinking about that and if they were, money trumped that process. So even going back and back their thinking was off that's true.

Speaker 3: 26:20

It's so true what you said earlier, what you and ron right. There are many out there that could be 100 millionaires or billionaires, that are very detached from that community, because some may come from the community but they, as I was saying, I made it out, you can make it out and you know what. I don't want to deal with you because crab in a bucket mentality, so I stay clear of you. I'll just throw money at this charity and they'll hopefully.

Speaker 3: 26:42

I don't want to deal with you Because I've been there with you guys and you know not to lie. Human beings within our community are very conflicted. Man, Unforgiven, you know, Dramatic, Dramatic.

Speaker 1: 27:01

I'm going to keep going back to this. They're conflicted because of a thought process.

Speaker 3: 27:07

Yep.

Speaker 1: 27:09

Right, and they don't even understand their own personal thought process. So I ask you, I point my finger at you and say what are you thinking? How are you thinking? Because I'm not challenging what you think, because you said it doesn't make any sense, I'm challenging how are you thinking? Yeah, I come up with ideas and scientific processes all the time and then I do my research, I have a hypothesis and then I dig, I do research, I read I am just reaching out there asking questions because my, my thought is this idea, but can I prove it? Can I mathematically prove it right? So I work on those things before I even like say anything about anything, especially in writing, especially when it comes to neuroscience, especially when it comes to thoughts and processes, because I do the research now.

Speaker 2: 28:27

Now being that you know our community, we have like a big community, right. So you got, you got the african-americans, you got haitians, you got jamaicans, you got uh, what else? We can go on and on and on. Latino brothers and sisters. Yeah, there's so many people to cover. There's so much to cover as far as thinking is concerned.

Speaker 1: 28:49

No, but I think when you mention all that and I don't mean to jump on your head, Ron, about the cut you off they often revert back to those cultures who have a specific break and they know their culture they revert back to tribalism as their main thought. So their main thought comes from that Tribalism. This is my tribe. This is not my last name. This is not, you know. This is my tribe. The Bible had 12 tribes blah, blah, blah. These are tribes with long tentacles in history, in history. So a lot of traditional thoughts in a tribe has a basis of still going back to the tribe. Outside of that is the humanity of it. Outside of that is the humanity of it. So I am Haitian, I'm black, I am. You can call me anything you want, and I'll fight for all those things with you. I'm still a Haitian, so don't get it twisted.

Speaker 1: 30:24

I'm African. Sorry, right, but Haitians have their lineage back to a certain tribe. They do. There's nothing they're going to do about it. There's nothing that hasn't been taught and passed on down.

Speaker 2: 30:37

Yo, dr Paul Dye is on point. He is it's like automatic, it's like you can. It's like automatic, it's like you can't help it, you can't help but to go back to your own tribe. Right, you're right about that Now, yeah, continue Like. Okay, I want to hear the rest of this, yeah, so when tribalism comes into being defended.

Speaker 1: 31:02

Now we separate.

Speaker 3: 31:11

I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. I see where you're coming from. With that, I get the tribalism, but I believe the tribalism also put us in the predicament that we're in. No, it does, it actually does and it's okay that it does.

Speaker 1: 31:23

I get the tribalism, but I believe the tribalism also put us in that, in the predicament that we in no, it does, it actually does, and it's OK that it does, but it is what it does. It's detrimental because, whether it be in Afghanistan, whether it be any place in the Middle East or in Africa, in any place, the tribalism goes deep and we stick to those tribes, which is why we are not understanding why can't we have peace in X and Y different areas of the world.

Speaker 1: 31:48

Well, people think Judaism is a religion. No, it's from a tribe. Ok, so let's get back to the original. They are a tribe, right, because if you think it's the only religion, then you maybe only see white Jews, but there's black Jews, so it's a tribe. Stop. Christianity is a religion with no tribe.

Speaker 3: 32:14

Different denominations, I believe something like that. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Christianity is the only one that doesn't come from a tribe. Christianity is the only one that doesn't come from a tribe, which is why the other 12 nations never really was like. What are you talking about? You have no history, so you're making things up as you go along or as more people join us Fine. But then Christianity thinks they're a tribe and they're not. They try to put themselves in tribalism, which causes a conflict amongst other people. It's like you sitting around with five buddies of yours we all just play ball at the park and one guy comes in who never plays ball Never, ever, since we've been small. He doesn't play ball, but he's going to sit amongst us talking about balling in the park. Yes, he's been there, he's seen it, he's wrote about it, he's heard it, he's even preached it. But you're not a baller and when other tribes see that in a particular sect, it's going to cause conflict.

Speaker 3: 33:39

I've seen that online. Man, everything you said was a fact, but I always revert back to the institution of slavery, colonialism, and I said it on many episodes before. When I look at, when I read the history of Hispaniola, when the French and the Spaniards had a war. Later on they had a treaties. They say these indigenous and these africans, I don't care what's going on between us. We must have an agreement where you take one side of the island, I take one side, and that was it yes they had.

Speaker 3: 34:13

They had their differences in tribalism, but they started to be, as you said, thinkers and like you know what? That's a bigger picture here. You win and I win, and this will be good for europe.

Speaker 1: 34:21

Both nations will grow off of this no, I, I, we, we can talk, definitely talk about, uh, the written agreements that were that broke up a lot of the world map.

Speaker 1: 34:37

It, it, it some of the some of the agreements and the agreements and the backstabbing and the agreements between other people within their tribe cause a diffraction which has happened even now, as we are witnessing in the Middle East. It's why you have some of the factions, because you may have an old man who is Iranian, who believes in peace, but he sits at a table with six other right tribes and two don't. They're going to create a faction and we are often fighting that faction. But here's the problem with that because they will still fund, no matter how crazy of the shithouse rat you are, mikey, because we're from the same tribe, I will fund you. So it doesn't matter what I think he's taking over, I will still. I won't send him $100, but send him $30. You know what I mean? I'm still going to send. I don't agree with you, but you're my tribe. It doesn't matter how I physically feel I'm going to. Now I'll show you my disgrace by only giving you a 30 out of my 100.

Speaker 1: 36:12

I don't know that's still a lot of money. That's still $30 billion. You're getting right. And still have to be acting like a nut.

Speaker 3: 36:20

Right.

Speaker 1: 36:21

You see what I mean by tribalism it. It is very difficult for people to and that's what comes back to thinking to know that you are resulting in tribal thinking now I think that's like a natural thing for human beings to to, to, to think, or do you know careful about natural.

Speaker 1: 36:43

You know, I feel by natural because it's a chemical. It's not a natural, it's something that nature nurture. So it was. It was pushed upon you. You didn't come out as a a wound and automatically go I'm a, I'm part of their tribe. No, they have to indoctrinate you. That indoctrination, no matter what it is, is what it is that you have Now. You can leave after the age of six or seven, but you've already been tribal indoctrinated.

Speaker 2: 37:22

Indoctrination, man, not a fan of it so how do we, how do we deal with I I think that's our biggest problem right now tribalism. I think that's our biggest problem because, absolutely, I think that causes us to, for us not to unify, you know, and uh, why do you think gangs were created?

Speaker 1: 37:43

neighborhoods were created. My neighbor's better in your neighborhood, you know my team's better in your team. It starts all so small and so simple, but we develop a tribe brazen circuses, man, keep it distracted from the bigger picture.

Speaker 3: 37:58

There's a whole african proverb that says that you know whenever the gazelles whatever are fighting in the field, the tigers and lions are on the outside coming in while you distract is fighting. You know, you're not paying attention to what's going on, so it's foolish.

Speaker 1: 38:19

But it happens. Like Ron said, it happens so naturally, but it's not naturally developed.

Speaker 2: 38:34

Got you, got you. So now, how can we? As far as the Black state, the state of a black community, tribalism can be an issue. The thinking Now how would you change the thinking around? Like, if you were to get this 1% of the basketball team I mean you would get one of the basketball players they take their 1% what would you do with that 1% of their income in the community? If you had the?

Speaker 1: 39:09

dollars. Yeah, so it would be a fully staffed, 24-7 office that disseminates the needs of the community, because this one player, my 1%, feeds and funds that. So, however it's needed in that 10 blocks gets taken care of. I mean, I'm talking about as simple as daycare. It's not welfare. Welfare gives and takes away right, it gives you this and says you can't do that. This is not welfare. Welfare gives and takes away Right. It gives you this and says you can't do that. This is not that. This is, this isn't not. That is how I also feel about reparations too, like if reparations ever came to be a national thing, it would have to be disseminated. You just can't come in and every month and get your and every month and get your $7,000 check right. You have to be going and passing financial classes. You have to be going and passing health classes. You have to be going and passing because we are not giving this back to someone who's going to give it away.

Speaker 3: 40:24

That's a fact.

Speaker 1: 40:25

I have a possible reformation.

Speaker 1: 40:27

Right. So I have to change everything about your process, thinking process before. Otherwise you're going to spend it the same old way. You're going to do the same old things. You're going to do the same old things. You're still going to have the same principles and ideology. That is never going to be helpful for your community. So now we're going to euthanize them because, like we gave you a shot, we gave you the education classes. We said you could do this. We gave you the education classes, we said you can do this. We give you this much money and yet you're not cooking dinner. You're buying McDonald's five nights a week. We're going to have to get rid of you. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 41:16

Because you're killing us Right.

Speaker 1: 41:22

I'm not talking about not going to McDonald's. I'm saying this is not your every meal.

Speaker 3: 41:29

Ron and I. One night we went out. We had a meeting in the Bronx. We went up to this buffet. We didn't really consume anything as much as the salads. We were sitting down saying, damn, look how much money they make in the community. All you see is our people in this buffet.

Speaker 1: 41:44

Right right, right right.

Speaker 3: 41:45

Over some damn crab legs. We was like yo, this is crazy. Look how they earning so much just by us walking in Eating this unhealthy food.

Speaker 2: 41:56

Mm, hmm, my, my, my, my thing is that the issue is the thinking in the community, and I knew that you know what I mean. Like the way that we think as a collective, even if you have education, money or what have you is like you could have education, but you're missing the connection in the community. You're far removed from the issues that we have the woes. Right, and then if you are connected to the issues, then you don't have the money. So it's like Bad.

Speaker 3: 42:39

The pendulum swings right.

Speaker 2: 42:41

Right, so how do we come out of this? You know, one thing I would say I always said was that, you know, just like we were brainwashed to be this way, we got to brainwash ourselves to change.

Speaker 1: 43:00

Right and we did that, Remember.

Speaker 1: 43:01

I host a class and several of the people, the students who watch the show took the class. Why are you thinking? And it was a six week class and they learned it wasn't just one time or two times that the students would say I am amazed of what I'm learning, because it changed everything of how they were doing per day and it was a week class. But it changed so much because they got the information to think I wasn't training them. I told them this is not a train, this is not me train you. You do. This is a thinking class. There's stuff we're going to do but you're going to think and that's the rewiring.

Speaker 2: 44:03

Do you think we should cut certain things out of the community?

Speaker 1: 44:06

No, no, no, I don't believe in hiding from any disasters that might come. That would falsify the community and what it is right. See danger, know danger, smell danger touch danger. Yeah, so you can understand it and make the decision.

Speaker 2: 44:32

Because you know as much as I grew up on hip-hop. I don't like to talk down on hip-hop because you know I grew up on it. But I do know like I watched people ruin their lives because of hip hop. Yeah, you know like I watched people get cut because of shot jump. Because of things that were said in hip hop, like, for instance, mike, you remember Sonny Shook? Because of things that were said in hip hop Like, for instance, mike, you remember? Um uh, sonny shook Ain't no such things as halfway.

Speaker 3: 45:08

Yeah, you gotta be a tough guy.

Speaker 2: 45:10

Nothing scared to look. Now remember when that thing came out scared to look those were looking at each other. Like we had to look at each other like this and then it and it might pop off it might at each other like this, and then it and it might pop off.

Speaker 3: 45:23

it might you good, you good? What's up? What you looking at me for?

Speaker 2: 45:27

like just like that, and boom, something happened or certain songs.

Speaker 3: 45:31

I remember going to house parties and clubs. Certain songs would come on and dudes be like yo. Prime example, when 50 cent came back, re-emerged 2003. What up blood yeah, that song coming on the party. You got bloods over there, we got crips and all hell break loose right, right.

Speaker 2: 45:52

So that's what I'm saying, like, is this something? Is hip-hop something that we should shun? Or you know what? We got to do something with it because it's influential.

Speaker 1: 46:04

So just understand the music, understand who's saying what. Understand when I say understand, the premise of that is to think. Understand the philosophy on how they're making money. Understand all that, understand the lyrics and what it's saying. But you can also say that's not what portrays me, but I get what it's saying.

Speaker 3: 46:39

It's just art You've got to add that part too, ron Hold, on Dr Dyer. Add that part to run on Dr Dyer, that when dudes I used to be around rappers, when dudes rap a certain way, a fan or somebody at the show would see that and like, let me see if he's really like that and I'm like, but why Like? You know, if he's real, I want to see what, how he's going to respond to this. Why like? What's the benefit of that?

Speaker 1: 47:03

well, it's the same reason why martial arts get attacked. If someone knows that you're martial arts and you put it out there, you're going to be challenged that's the martial arts, that's something else, that's a study, it's science within itself.

Speaker 3: 47:17

But the street I don't get that.

Speaker 1: 47:20

So why is someone going to challenge you just because you study, like they want to see? Because I want to check to see if this shit really works and I want to see if he really knows what he's doing. Okay, wait a minute two martial arts aren't the same. We go to the same class.

Speaker 3: 47:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:41

You can challenge one in that class and it'll be all cake and roses and you slamming up all over the garbage cans and the walls. The other one, who's a little bit different same class is going to end up putting you in the ground. Because I always tell my students I'm lucky enough to be as proficient I am to save your life and mine. When you become talented and proficient enough and skilled enough, when attacked, when confronted because you're unhealthy, I can save your life and save mine. Until you get there, put them down and walk away and make the phone call. That's it. But until you get to me, I'm saving two people because I know if you have this what's up, what's up? Why are you looking at me? You're an unhealthy person and I. You need help and I would like to give you that help or that opportunity for help.

Speaker 3: 48:55

The 90s was a crazy time.

Speaker 2: 48:58

But that's what I'm saying. I don't think I needed help. I just knew I had to look at people in the face, in the eyes, and whatever happened after that? It happened.

Speaker 3: 49:14

We lived in a predatorial environment where dudes I'm going to say were very insecure, trying to exert manhood. He's hyped off a CD he just listened to. Now he's outside and he's like, yeah, I'm going to see. Know this is about and right right there goes the beef.

Speaker 1: 49:30

That's how beef starts, something that simple, you know which is why I love to study the brain science. It's because we can have this conversation about what's wrong with the black community, and the problem is that we're easily introduced and controlled, and that's because of the slave issue that was passed down genetically were easier to control this dog in 2025 than we did in 1690.

Speaker 3: 50:16

Damn man, that's a lot of fuzzies to say that.

Speaker 1: 50:18

Right, it was harder to control that person because but once I indoctrinated them, and all of them, they kept passing by this. I'm easily influenced. That's it which it has been studied the afro-american male is easily influenced. The next is the woman wow.

Speaker 2: 50:49

so the african-american is easy, easy, easier influenced. You're saying, um, I would say it's because of his lack of knowledge of self, like not knowing where he comes from, you know, and not having like a like, a foundational kind of like culture, if you will. Yeah, even though African-Americans do have like a great culture. However, a lot of us don't see it that way. Like when I think of black culture or African American culture or black American culture, whatever you want to call it, I got to say whatever you want to call it right there black African American, negro, moorish, you know anyway. So like we got, oh he. So like we got, oh, he went off, so we got. If you think of African-American culture or so-called black culture, you think of jazz, you think of blues, you think of R&B, you think of hip hop, you think of Muhammad, you think of boxing champions, sports, you think of?

Speaker 3: 52:04

Yeah, you think.

Speaker 2: 52:05

Yes, you think of what? Yeah, you think of. Yes, you think of, uh, what else, what else? Um, you know black power, culture, you know black power. You think of, um, the new black pan, I mean not the new black panther party, the black panther party, the nation of islam. You think of the five percent nation. You think of what else? What else, mike, what you got a lot, a lot of things.

Speaker 3: 52:25

But you know what's so dope about what you said about the knowledge of self-concept, and this goes out again. This is mikey saying. This is my perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong. If you don't like it, argue me down. Whether you're african, diaspora, caribbean or here, all that knowledge of self stuff is great for us to know, to be secure within ourselves, but it was also birthed from our history nearly being wiped out. So again about the so-called white bears involvement, we wouldn't have the whole push to know ourselves.

Speaker 2: 53:00

Right. Well, I would say before that, though, we still had a culture, though no, we didn't have a culture, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3: 53:06

No, no.

Speaker 1: 53:08

You know, I'm sorry about my internet cutting out and things like that. But anyone who wants to challenge anything I say, or what you say, mikey, what Ron you say, or anything or whatever you do, wherever how you are, I want you to be able to ask that question. Well, how are you thinking?

Speaker 3: 53:32

How are you thinking? Yeah, of course, what Ron said was true. Like you know, I was born here. Family could be from the Caribbean, but I was born here. So this culture is what I know, being born here, and plus, you know my native, what my family tells me. But I was immersed into this culture because I was born here. So I pick up, I studied it, loved it. Hip-hop in the time of monster, like what you listening to all this music. Now she dances to it. But this is what I love. This black culture is freaking dope man. You can't you get what I'm saying. When I see this culture, I see all, of all of us. It represents how beautiful our people are, man.

Speaker 2: 54:06

That's when I say, you know I was telling a caller, queen B, you know she likes to talk about Ghana and how Ghana is great in their culture, the greatness in Ghana, and I understand that and I love that, and that's fine. Ghana, and I understand that and I love that, and that's perfect, that's fine. I'm saying that we are all African people and every culture is ours. So if I'm so-called African-American, I could still claim Haiti. I can still talk about the greatness in Haiti. I can still talk about and still and smile and feel like that's my people and smile and feel like that's my people. That's what we do, our Haitian people. Just like she could, mike and Queen B, she could look at African American culture and go see how resilient, strong we are, look at all the culture we created, and I can look out to Ghana and say, look how great our people are. We share the same bloodline. So you know the tribalism part. I think we need to kind of like get out of that in a sense.

Speaker 3: 55:15

Don't feel bad. I used to get with certain family members that do the same thing. They'd be like why do you embrace this? You know they're criminals, and some of them are criminals and I'm like, if you look at your child, your child is getting arrested, just like them. What's the difference? What's the difference? Criminality is criminality, no matter where you go.

Speaker 1: 55:36

Is it a social idiom? Is it a social construct? Yeah, but we're part of the social construct and we don't agree with the criminality. We agreed it's a criminal act. I mean we just agree. Someone told you that was a criminal. Okay but if I had to make up my own society and ask five of my friends and say we want this in our social system, we would collectively say no.

Speaker 2: 56:13

Right, and I'm saying hip hop and our uh a social collective. I think that's what you just said.

Speaker 3: 56:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:20

Um, I think that we need to uh, monitor that. We need to monitor hip hop and we need to say this we don't want in hip hop anymore. Take this out. Yeah, we need to do it right now, just like the Jewish, the Jewish defense league. Don't they kind of like keep people in check in the media?

Speaker 3: 56:44

Oh my God, why are we doing this? Why? This is like, don't they kind of like keep people in check in the media?

Speaker 2: 56:46

oh my god why are we doing this? Well, this is like this is.

Speaker 3: 56:51

This is the easiest part they should bell tried it in his comedy when he said any. Richard price said when he said he went to africa, they said did you see any niggas out there? He said no. They should bell say why can I say the word f-a-g-o-T? But I could say nigga easily. But if I say that I'm going to get canceled, we need to go back. We need to go back as we said, Ron, cancel the cancel culture. That's what's destroying us too.

Speaker 1: 57:18

I think you can. But hold on. I know we got to cut off soon, but the cancel culture is created because people are not consciously creative. The cancer culture was created because a conscious person is not creating or thinking. So that's why they go along with the mom mentality rules and they will cancel you because of the whole what they don't want to follow. Right, there's still laws of nature and laws of science, so you don't have to follow them, but you have to understand them.

Speaker 2: 58:01

Right right, right. So Suli says censorship.

Speaker 1: 58:21

I mean, if you want to put it that way, you know, I'm just going to say yes, yeah, I'm just going to flat out and say censorship because you know, right now we're not adult, stuck in a childlike state and we're able to be moved around like play-doh to any conformity. We, we want the black, million black people, the african people, to spend at one point, trying to million dollars a year on stuff that doesn't worth nothing to them, but everything for everyone else, okay. So yeah, you need to change your thinking.

Speaker 3: 58:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:51

On that note, man, this was a great podcast, as usual with Dr Paul Dyer. I think we should do a I don't know if Dr Paul Dyer want to do a part three to this.

Speaker 3: 59:00

Yeah, we should. I got to join your class too.

Speaker 1: 59:03

Yeah, I still think you're not going to be happy when there's tanks rolling down your street and we're in a war on our neighborhoods, a real war with it, are not going to be able to handle it because they're thinking it's going to be detrimental and it's going to cause you sickness, pain and death.

Speaker 3: 59:32

Exactly, and I believe there's a ceasefire right now, within six hours. Just putting it out there.

Speaker 2: 59:40

We'll see how that goes. Anyway, thank you for coming out this evening. Really appreciate y'all. Thanks to everybody on the chat. See y'all tomorrow and we are out. Peace, peace.