Magick and Ancestral Worship with Dr. Alim Bey

Magic isn't something that exists only in fairytales or Hollywood productions—it's a tangible force woven into the fabric of our ancestral connections and spiritual practices. Dr. Alim Bey, a respected teacher and author, breaks down the fundamental difference between having dead relatives versus cultivating relationships with living ancestors through proper veneration and altar work.

The conversation unveils how simple elements—water as a conduit, libations, offerings, incense, candles, white cloth, coins, and photographs—transform our relationship with those who've passed on. Dr. Bey shares a powerful personal experience where his consistent veneration of a deceased cousin allowed him to witness the spiritual graduation ceremony of his relative becoming a living ancestor, who later warned him about a dangerous accident.

We explore the distinction between ceremonial magic (following established traditions like Golden Dawn, Masonic orders, or Rosicrucian teachings) and folk magic (more personalized approaches). Both systems recognize that "the all is mind, the universe is mental," positioning consciousness as the true magical wand. The elements—earth, air, fire, water, and ether (spirit)—provide the framework for magical operations, with ether (also called chi, ki, mana, Holy Spirit, or Ra depending on tradition) representing the universal energy that powers all magical workings.

Dr. Bey offers practical guidance on candle magic, explaining how different colored candles correspond to specific intentions: red for energy, orange for nurturing, yellow for intelligence, green for healing and abundance, blue for communication, indigo for psychic abilities, and violet for spirituality. He teaches listeners how to read candle behavior during spellwork—high flames indicate acceptance by spiritual forces, low flames suggest

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Speaker 1: 0:11

peace, world, peace, world. How you doing. It's your brother, mikey fever. Nyp talk show. We are live. Apologies for the delay, but you know we make it up for that. Tonight we have the legend Brother, dr Aleem Faye. Welcome my brother.

Speaker 2: 0:30

Appreciate you, God Thanks.

Speaker 1: 0:31

Yep, and tonight we'll be talking about magic and ancestral worship for those that are curious about that, so we're going to get straight into it. Man, for those quick question what is ancestral worship and how does it differ from simply remembering the ancestors?

Speaker 2: 0:55

All right. There's two aspects to this. The first aspect is that normally, when a person passes, they are what is called a dead relative, unless you have an altar set up for them, which then makes them a living ancestor. So the importance is some type of altar for remembrance in which that you pour libations daily, some give fruit as an offering, burn incense, have candles, a white cloth over the table, have coinage such as copper, gold, silver, et cetera, in order for induction. They also have pictures Of the individual Of the time in which that was on planet Earth, you know. So those are things in which that was on planet Earth, so those are things in which that normally takes place in order to make a dead relative a living ancestor. So that's the science, and what I mean by living ancestor is I give a good example. I had a good example. I had a cousin All right, in fact, my first cousin. He got killed. He was in Brooklyn robbing a stealer and a white man killed him.

Speaker 2: 2:41

Now, normally, under those circumstances, you know, they just a dead relative, but the ancestors kept me thinking about him and so I set up an altar, I got a picture of him when we was little, you know, and we hugging each other, and I cut the picture in half and I had his picture on the altar, everything that I just told you. I had set up on my altar and burnt some candles, some incense and had a glass of water. Alright, you also have to have water. Let me say that as a conduit. And the science was is that my higher self, all right, came to me, took me from out my body and took me to his graduation of becoming a living ancestor, no longer a dead relative?

Speaker 2: 3:48

And what happened was is that I seen him. It was like a soul train line and the ancestors were standing on both sides and they was cheering him as he came down. He was real nervous, he was reluctant. He came down. He was real nervous, he was reluctant, he didn't know what was going on, but in his hands, his arms, he had clothing in which that, you know, was different than the clothing in which that he had on.

Speaker 2: 4:18

And I was trying to talk to him and I was like Tim Tim Tim and I was like Tim Tim Tim and my higher self slash guide. I guess you could say, I won't say higher self, I'll say guide. Yeah, told me telepathically that he can't hear you, so I started fussing at the guide. It was like then what the hell you bring me here for you know cause that don't make no sense. You know you're going to bring me to see him, but I can't talk to him, you know. And so you know, understood, I quiet down and and just watch. You know, I understood, I quiet down.

Speaker 1: 5:10

And just watched, I got you.

Speaker 2: 5:11

And so as he started coming down, you know the line, you know, in between the ancestors, they was cheering. It was like, yeah, you know, and it was just cheering for him, and everybody was dressed in some type of native indigenous garb and he had in his hands, arms, some type of indigenous garb, you know. So that was an aspect of because of me recognizing him, you know, and thinking about him and pouring libations daily for him.

Speaker 1: 5:50

Can't forget that.

Speaker 2: 5:51

Right and just doing ritual ceremonies for him, and so I was able to get a chance to see that, you know, to participate in that some way, you know, and once he became a living ancestor, he was able to help me. So, back in 2016, I had a cavernoma, which was set off by a flea fogger.

Speaker 2: 6:22

Off by a flea fogger. We had some puppies that ended up having fleas. We had to set it off in the house, ended up spraying myself in the face. I was out for three, four days Before that happened. He was trying to warn me. He warned me that Wednesday, he warned me that Thursday. And how I know that is because he came through a sister and the sister called me from out of Richmond Virginia. Sister, and the sister called me from out of Richmond Virginia and she was like not out of Virginia, out of Norfolk Virginia. And she called me and she was like yo, your cousin Tim, is trying to contact you. And I was like for what? You know what's going on. They say he's trying to warn you. You know, boom. So he got in contact that Wednesday and that Thursday it happened that Friday.

Speaker 1: 7:32

So you're saying like a freak, a freak accident occurred with you, right it?

Speaker 2: 7:35

was a freak accident. Well, he was trying to warn me of the freak accident. Now she told me too that it was going to happen or it might happen. However, I was going to be alright, you know, and so you know, but the fact is that, as a living ancestor, they can come on your behalf. Now, that's the point that I'm trying to make as a dead relative.

Speaker 1: 8:06

They can't come on your behalf so, basically, the dead relative is one that you do not venerate, like, give light to and honor to, if you don't set up an altar or whatsoever exactly to honor them and you need the conduits of copper, water and the elements. All right, so we, we got into that as far as like ancestral worship. So when we speak of magic, and for those who like to know, that's spelled with M-A-G-I-C-K. Right, what is the? How do we? What is it? What are the differences between serial ceremonial magic and folk magic?

Speaker 2: 8:37

All right, folk magic is more loose loose. It's magic in which that deals with spells, in which that, oftentimes, if you're part of a covenant or part of a group, or you know you all come up with your own affirmations. You know, ceremonial magic is something in which that you follow once um, for example, the golden dawn yeah you know that's ceremonial magic.

Speaker 2: 9:15

You know, they draw, uh, five pointed stars in the air or they um, say certain words or spells. You, they cast spells, or whatever the case is. Masons do the same thing, as well, as OTO, aa, rosicrucians, astoria, you know, I can go on with the so-called secret societies, but they do the same thing, you know. So that's really is the science of magic. Ceremonial magic is that you join a group in which they already have their magic in play, already have their magic in play, and you just repeat, you know the magic or ceremony or rituals in which that they have already collected and already said, okay, this works, and so follow me. And so they do things in which that already is concrete within their mental.

Speaker 2: 10:25

You know, because, really, remember, we was already told within the book by the three initiates called the Kabbalion that, yeah, mentalism. You know, the all is mine and everything is mental. The universe is mental, you know. So that's really is the science. The mind is the magic wand and we talk about five states of consciousness within a 5% teaching. You know we talking about life consciousness.

Speaker 1: 11:03

Yes.

Speaker 2: 11:04

You know we talking about about life consciousness. Yes, you know, we're talking about what is called consciousness. We're talking about subconsciousness, super consciousness, magnetic consciousness and infinite consciousness. So those are the five states of consciousness which correlates to the five levels in psychology. You know, you get beta state, or you know gamma state, beta state, you get delta state, you get delta, theta state, you know. So those states correlate. That's how it is, you know. So those states correlate.

Speaker 1: 11:46

That's how it is, you know. So it's basically yeah, it's based on, like as your intentions and what you choose to reverberate to right.

Speaker 2: 11:53

it's mental magic or mental force rather, got you and see what is even more powerful than the mind, 5,000 times more powerful than the mind, is actually the heart, because the magnetic field of the heart is more powerful than that of the mind. So you have to set your intentions in the heart.

Speaker 1: 12:19

You say rhythmatic. So you know, for the listeners and viewers we will be going back and forth with with magic and ancestral worship because you know, believe it or not, it goes hand in hand. Yes, it does yes this is what we chose it, so we want to go into this like. Next question I have is how do different traditions view the elements earth, air, fire, water, spirit and magic?

Speaker 2: 12:52

Basically, they tie all of that together. That's a good avatar, and we all see Aung from Avatar and the mastery of air, earth, water, fire. And when you combine those four elements, you make the fifth element, which is ether. No coincidence that in the early 1900s they took ether from off of the periodical chart. At one time it was there. So ether is where you get free energy from that Nikola Tesla was talking about. Ether exists. Well, ether exists. That's what we call akasha. All right, ether is also referred to as astral light. Astral light is also called chi, or, within Chinese tradition, is also called ki. Within Japanese tradition Within the Hawaiian teachings is called mana. Within the Christian traditions is called Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. Within the German traditions it's called Varel.

Speaker 2: 14:20

Within ancient Egyptian mysteries it's called Ra you know ancient Egyptian mysteries, is called Ra, so we can go on with the comparisons. But this energy is what you utilize if one practice real magic, which oftentimes comes by way of practicing Qigong, tai Chi, reiki, pranic, healing and these magical arts. And I say magical because you are actually being aware of drawing this energy into yourself and allowing for this energy to be the magic in which that that only regulates your body but also regulates your mind that's a fact and also I'm glad that you said that it's tap.

Speaker 1: 15:08

You know drawing it in, but it's also within yourself, one to you know.

Speaker 2: 15:13

Basically, right, you have a line with the universe. Right, you have prenatal energy which is produced by your mother and father already. You know in which that. That's the energy in which that you are born with. You know, if the energy is high enough, that's, that's a good thing. But to produce additional energy you have to come by way of practice and right. You have to develop it, and that's what a good magician does, or Magi does.

Speaker 1: 15:55

Got you, got you.

Speaker 2: 15:56

So like I want to say for instance I got this question right here is what tools are commonly used in magic and what are their purposes.

Speaker 2: 16:40

In magic you can use sigils, which are symbols, like for, for example, in Reiki there's several symbols, alright, depending on which Reiki system you go into, but in Yushi or Ushi Reiki, there's four symbols. You have what is called Chokurei, seheki, honshishonen and Dekomeyo, and sometimes, well, oftentimes, after the two-minute, you use a fifth symbol, which is Raku. So these symbols tap into the various bodies of your essence. For example, chokure taps into your physical body, seheki taps into your emotional, mental body, honshichi, shonen is the distant healing symbol, and Dekomeo taps into your spiritual soul, body and raku symbolizes the grounding symbol. So these are symbols in which that oftentimes, you can tap into as a good magician or magi.

Speaker 2: 18:12

Magician or magi, um. So you also have amulets um, bracelets, necklaces, stones, right stones or crystals, um, as they refer to it as um. You know it can be a coin, you know, that's conductive, you know, such as, once again, copper, silver, gold, platinum, whatever the case is, and we can go on and on, you know. So those are some things in which that a magician or magi uses in order to help facilitate and conduct more power.

Speaker 1: 18:46

I got you and I wanted to add, for those who are curious to learn about, you know, connecting with your ancestors through altars or getting involved with ceremonial magic. It's not a straight and open path. A lot of people are going to assume I just pick up books and assume that it's going to not a straight and open path. But a lot of people can assume I just pick up books and assume that it's going to be a straight and narrow path. No, there is hurdles You'll go through is the zigzag. It's not a straight and narrow way because it's. Basically. My experiences were different from yours, so it's what you make of it and what you pick up, and keeping a journal to keep track of what's happening around you, what changes, and you know it's different. Just, let's just put it like that.

Speaker 2: 19:29

So I like to know or that who do with more laid back in. You can do various systems.

Speaker 1: 19:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:39

That's in the magic field called hoodoo. So you can do, you can take the teachings of the Voodun, the Ifa, yoruba, congo, such as Palo Mayombe and various other Congo traditions, et cetera, and combine, or I recommend getting initiated into one of those various systems or more, because initiation also helps with facilitating um energy, that astral light that we talked about, that chi or ki energy. You know, I know um. When I went through um freemasonry and I went through um the morris, right when did our ritual, I was geek because I was feeling the energy I was like oh shit, you know, it's real, you know, so you can feel it, you know.

Speaker 2: 20:52

I recommend definitely doing that because it helps to definitely put you on point and make you realize how much you are in touch with energies outside of yourself you know, and how to utilize those energies once you internalize them.

Speaker 1: 21:14

So I have a question for those who don't want to go through initiation right and I'm not right To each their own right, because there are people that say they can become aligned and in contact with their higher self through, like proper meditation, diet whatsoever, but also connect with those deities of those practices. Is that possible without going through the formal initiation?

Speaker 2: 21:36

Well, there's possibilities of getting initiated on the spiritual plane yes or astral plane as we refer to it as yes, um, my teacher, sannyata saraswati, grandmaster sannyata saraswati, who wrote the book jewel in a lotus, he told us specifically that, um, we can go through four stages of the Cobra breath. The other three would be given to us on the astral plane.

Speaker 1: 22:04

I got you Shout out to the chat Peace to Shawnee and peace to Linky. We see you, appreciate you for logging in. This brother said right here, a real book, one of his books the First World Order, changed my Life 18 Years Ago. Was that something that you've written? That you have written?

Speaker 2: 22:20

Yes, yes, that's my first book.

Speaker 1: 22:23

Got you, got you, got you. Salute, salute to that.

Speaker 2: 22:27

I got to find a copy of that man, do you have it on your website? Yes, and this is my other book here. You can see it. One of my other books the Divine of Akhenaten. This is the book in which I talk about the occult magic that we're talking about right now got you, so I'd like to know this was a good one right here.

Speaker 1: 22:52

What is the difference between ancestral worship and necromancy?

Speaker 2: 22:58

necromancy. Necromancy once again deals with dead relatives. Okay, so there's no necessary altar that's set up within necromancy.

Speaker 2: 23:21

There's talk of the person but not necessarily something concrete in which that they're tied to. Okay, yeah, that's the difference. You need something. See, you have the left hemisphere of the brain, you have the right hemisphere of the brain. The left hemisphere of the brain needs something concrete, needs something substantial, needs something physical In order to understand the ritual, the ceremony. The right hemisphere of the brain is abstract, it's holistic. It doesn't necessarily need anything physical. Okay, it doesn't necessarily need anything physical, okay. So you want to tap into that left hemisphere in order to open and activate the right hemisphere, cause that's really is the way of a Magi, you know.

Speaker 1: 24:27

So, right there, way of a magi, you know. So it's so. Oh man, for those who are learning, like you know, I'm still in a. I'm still a I'm a lifelong student of this stuff. So, as you say, to be a magi you gotta like be one in nature, be one with yourself, be honest with yourself, and a great guide is to you know. Meditation and some books like the kabbalion will really teach you, like the, the bare essentials of what it is what to look for within yourself.

Speaker 1: 24:49

So the question I have for you is this one how can one create his or his or her own sigil and charge it?

Speaker 2: 24:58

okay, now that's a good one, all right, yeah, normally sigils are given to you through the dream world yes because you're tapping into what's called akashic records.

Speaker 2: 25:11

The akashic records are the eth, every thought in which that we have ever had permeates the etheric field of the planet earth. When you go to sleep at night, you go into that etheric field, referred to as the astral plane, and the word astral means star plane. So you go to the stars plane, so you go into the, you go to the stars. All right, you go to heaven and you are there and you can collect those types of symbols or sigils in order to um bring back here, um to earth for healing experience or some type of experience in which that you choose, um, I just prefer a healing experience, um, manifestation, attraction.

Speaker 1: 26:04

You know, those are the experiences that you really want and need so with that right there, that's like whatever you see, like if it's actually if you, if it's received correct, kabbalah says within the hyperspace, astral, you know, astral world.

Speaker 2: 26:21

That's just, that's your own personal, personal thing that you right, right now, you can share those symbols and others can um gravitate towards those symbols, you know, like the six-pointed star. Yeah, you know, somebody came up with. Okay, that means, as above, so below yeah all right. Oh, now you got a whole group of people wearing a six-pointed star, a whole culture around the six-pointed star. I mean, even converts are rocking the six pointed star. You know I am yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:03

But, yeah, Exactly so. So that's, that's, that's really is the science, you know, and that actually makes the symbol more potent.

Speaker 1: 27:17

That's a fact. That's what they call building. It creates an Edgar car Right.

Speaker 2: 27:21

Right.

Speaker 1: 27:23

So with that, like we, we we got into, like you know, some small pieces of ceremony, magic and ancestral worship. So, if one person has a question where they say, like I like to cast a a spell, but I don't know how to cast a spell and, for instance, the only thing they say that I have a candle. What color candle should I use for my intentions? Yeah I invoke what should I do like?

Speaker 2: 27:47

how would you? Candle symbolizes the chakra system the rainbow in particular.

Speaker 2: 27:54

So as above, so below, so below, as within, so without. So red would be energy, orange would be nurturing, yellow would be intelligence, green would be healing, blue would be communication, indigo would be psychic healing and violet would be spirituality. So you know whatever you want. For example, let's say green. Well, okay, green also is the color of money, so you can utilize the color green not just for healing but also to bring money into your life. You know to bring substance into your life. You know to bring balance into your life, harmony. You know compassion, so forth and so on. So it's based on your intention. Once you have that particular color, and, of course, just simply by putting your hands, let's say a candle, put your hands on the candle, you're generating a thought form, all right, and you put in that energy into that candle. You putting that energy into that candle, and that candle is going to permeate that thought form that you produce. You know, once you light it, it's going to burn with that intention so is it possible.

Speaker 1: 29:28

So that's basically all right.

Speaker 2: 29:30

So we say what candles transforming um mentalization right, because everything you touch leave an organ residue.

Speaker 1: 29:38

Yes, In fact, that's a fact, so that's why it's important. They say, when doing these rituals, you have to verify your tools before working.

Speaker 2: 29:48

Right. That's why you, that's why, within the traditions of Islam, you do voodoo. You wash up before you make prayer. You wash up before you touch the Quran.

Speaker 1: 29:59

That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 30:04

So purify.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Purify.

Speaker 2: 30:06

The Bible tells you clean way. Cleanliness is next to godliness.

Speaker 1: 30:13

That's important, that's true, you know, you know for traditions, I know. So you know, for traditions I know they use Florida water, sometimes a little salt water Right right.

Speaker 2: 30:21

Right Purification through fire Right Words and such so there's a lot.

Speaker 1: 30:27

I want to say by trying to, I don't want to violate certain principles online by some people like me too much, but it's so real, alright, how can one go, like you know, creating your own Egregore right. So say if I'm a newbie to this right?

Speaker 2: 30:44

I'm listening or I'm watching a show right now and they want to get involved in something like this Outside of becoming initiated.

Speaker 1: 30:51

What kind of books would you give them?

Speaker 2: 30:54

My book the Divine Hymns of Agnate occult powers. Um, I recommend my book as number one because it's easy to read. You got pictures, you know. I know my people, they're not reading no book without some right. Right ain't reading no book without no pitches, yo, you know that's just too much. So you know we got pitches on every, nearly every page. You know that you can read, you know, and it's, it's real easy to read. So I recommend my book. Ceremonial Magic is another book that I recommend. That's part of the Golden Dawn traditions.

Speaker 2: 31:40

Um, uh Israel regarding right Israel regarding right Exactly Um Magician, um the Complete Book of Magician, um I read of of magic, excuse me, yeah, the complete book of magic and also the magician, those two books, as well as also an s spelled with a k. Magician um also jewel in the lotus, taking it from a tantric um kriya yoga perspective sex magic.

Speaker 1: 32:17

Oh wow, that's deep right there. You know that would scare some people right there. That's sexy.

Speaker 2: 32:21

Well, it might scare them, but it's it's. It's something in which that they do and want to do every day. So why not make a um, a ritual ceremony out of it? You know and manifest what y'all want of it. You know and manifest what you're wanting in life. You know, attract that, what you need in life.

Speaker 1: 32:47

You know, it just makes sense All right. So, like you say, you advise what you recommend right. So are there certain aspects in life that changes when one become aligned with the universe, virtually like diet.

Speaker 2: 33:03

Circle of friends may change, yes yes, because as you go into a different level of consciousness or a deeper level of consciousness, higher level of consciousness, however you want to say it, awareness, you move away from those who just talk to those in which they actually do. Because we talk about, when you talk about magic, that's something that you have to do. That's not talking, you know. That's just not. You know, casting a spell, you know, just talking. You know you have to do some things Once again. An altar, sigils or symbols, your amulets, your, you know all of these things have to be put in place, at least starting out, are just tools, you know, once your mind has mastered, you no longer need those tools. You know. But you have to get to the point of mind mastery once again, utilizing the left brain to activate and open the right brain, you know, to become more holistic like I have a question and we're not here to start with nobody.

Speaker 1: 34:22

But I have seen on social media a lot of self-proclaimed kings and queens of certain African traditional systems that are online proclaiming that their work is the best Right. Or you know they're initiating people, they're offering services online and you know to each their own People found ways to generate revenue with these things. Right, but do you think like somehow this culture became a kind of like, let's say, mockery?

Speaker 2: 34:58

Um, yes, well, let me put it this way, I was with Bobby since, Bobby Hemmett since 94, 95 and Brother Panic since 2004. Since 2004. And I can tell you right now, most of them never even heard of the Congo, rites or Magic or Ifa or Yoruba. They might have heard of voodoo. They might have heard of voodoo, you know, but they Everybody heard of voodoo, you know, but they never heard of Voodan, you know. They definitely never heard that. It came from Benin.

Speaker 2: 35:45

You know traditions or whatever the case is, so they have popularized it, but they haven't learned the true system, because that comes only by way of initiation. You know, like you stated, a lot of them are pretenders when it comes to these type of sciences. They don't teach you nothing about absorption of energy, activation of kundalini. You know the chakra system. They don't tell you what the seven African powers really mean and how the seven African powers correlate to the seven chakras. You know, for example, like the root chakras, ishu and Legba, the Lord of the Crossroads. You know the trickster and you get tricked. Now, trying to think with your dick, you get tricked With the click and the dick, you get tricked. You know what I'm saying. You can. So that's why Ishu and Legba symbolizes the color red.

Speaker 1: 37:03

You carry your horse break there as well too.

Speaker 2: 37:05

That's Ishu and Legba you know.

Speaker 2: 37:09

So I can go up all the way to a batala, which symbolizes the crown chakra you know white. And then we go into Olodumare, which symbolizes the oversoul. So we talk about the seven African powers going into the oversoul. So the seven African powers, of course we know, is Ishu, olegba, ogun, shango, oya, emia, um, oh yeah, um, what he said, oh um, I'm missing somebody, you know. So we know that those seven African powers tap into the oversoul, which is Odulumare, which that's what Odulumare symbolizes. So we have to understand that the seven African powers, or the seven chakras, or the seven Elohim, as they are called within the Bible, Messengers.

Speaker 2: 38:19

Right, right, right right. It's the same signs over and over again, but it's not being explained like this. They got us thinking that it's just something outside of ourselves.

Speaker 1: 38:31

Yeah, you know, and that's a problem like this.

Speaker 2: 38:32

They got us thinking that it's just something outside of ourselves.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Yeah, you know, and that's a problem it's really within every, everything you know that they speak of in the bible, like people we know how powerful. Yeah, we know that. You know christianity was handed down from slavery and such and such the bible. But if you know that book is basically metaphorical Right and it's a book of spells, especially the book of lamps, psalms, psalms.

Speaker 2: 38:57

Right.

Speaker 1: 38:57

Book of lamps.

Speaker 2: 38:58

Right.

Speaker 1: 39:03

You know candle magic and such and such that you can do and you know as you mentioned. What was that oh?

Speaker 2: 39:07

shoot, or called powers of Psalms.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:10

Exactly, definitely, you can, it powers of songs?

Speaker 1: 39:12

Yeah, exactly, definitely you can't use it for. And you know I love talking about stuff like this because this is like you know, we can have all the knowledge of you know, the you know, knowledge of self, of knowing that you're black, knowing your history, mores, whatever, but also know that there are esoteric teachings that went along with that Exactly that we tend to neglect sometimes.

Speaker 2: 39:33

Right, right.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Yeah, that's dope man. So, like another thing I wanted to ask you right is how can one know that the intentional spell is working or not?

Speaker 2: 39:52

A good way is through candle magic. You can look at the flame, you can look at the If you burn it in a glass, the candle in a glass.

Speaker 1: 40:02

I got a candle right here.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Yeah, yeah, right now you don't have a glass, but if you burn it it will make shape, a shape or a picture onto whatever it is, and you can analyze the picture of that shape and figure out what it is trying to tell you. You know, but the flames, the crackling of the candle, if the flame turns blue, if it burns high, if it burns low, there's various sciences. Now, if it burns low, then that means that you need more energy towards that. You have to do more work before it can manifest. If it burns high, then the ancestors or the angels have heard your prayer. It burns fast. They quickly doing what they need to do for you. If it burns real slow, there's resistance. Now, if you got a glass, now, if it's black around the top, around the glass and it's black, then you definitely got opposition and you got negativity in which that is being thrown or cast at you.

Speaker 1: 41:29

Which means you're in horror right.

Speaker 2: 41:31

Right, right, you have to cleanse the aura. Right, right, right, right. All got to. You need to cleanse, you know, and of course you can get a book called Spiritual Cleansing in which that you can. One of the rituals in there is to take an egg and go through your auric field, because your auric field is shaped like an egg and you can go through your auric field and you have three levels of the auric field, because your auric field is shaped like an egg and you can go through your auric field and you have three levels of the auric field. You have your outer auric field, your health auric field and your inner auric field. So you can take an egg and go through your body on the outside of it, you know, and then take all the negativity off of you and then throw the egg out, you know, and crack it, or whatever the case is. That's one of the rituals. You can take a spiritual cleansing bath with various herbs such as rosemary, frankincense, myrrh geranium People listen, he's robbing gyms.

Speaker 2: 42:41

You know. So these are just some of the things that you can do.

Speaker 1: 42:47

All right, and that's great, and for those, because we know that you know there are times that people may have to go to like richwood botanical store to get you know certain herbs or certain you know candles whatsoever. So, to add on to what Dr Lim's saying, you can even go to the beach, man, and collect some sea water. Make sure you leave some change behind what you're taking and just take that sea water you can use it as well.

Speaker 1: 43:15

The ancestors will take something from you exactly because we people may call it spookism, but energy is real. Wherever we go, as you said, we leave imprints and we also collect people's energy that come around us. It could be information, a handshake.

Speaker 2: 43:31

The earth is living imprints and we also collect people's energy that come around us. You know what I'm saying. It could be information. You know a handshake. The earth is living. Yeah, the planet earth is a living entity.

Speaker 1: 43:38

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 43:38

Everything is connected. We are connected, you know. We have to realize that.

Speaker 1: 43:47

Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. We know with that. That's one tool, so I can one. Like we spoke, we speak. We spoke about cleansing your aura. When can doing serial ceremonial magic or ancestral worship backfire on you?

Speaker 2: 44:06

um, when you have bad thoughts, negative thoughts, you negate your intention. Even if you have a good, positive intention and you doubt it, you just negate what you set forth and it's not going to work. If you set an intention, you have to keep that positive thought in your mind saying it's going to work. You know, if you doubt it, then it's not going to work and you just negated it and you need to move on. You know, do another ritual or recast or whatever the case is, but you just did a negative thing as far as your mental is concerned. Remember mentalism.

Speaker 1: 45:01

The universe is mental. And within your book, as you put it, do you actually guide people to certain rituals in there?

Speaker 2: 45:13

Yes, I do. I take them through Psalms and explain what each Psalm means. You know all 150 Psalms and how you can utilize those Psalms for various purposes, like, for example, psalm 7 and 11 is for court situations, eight is for money situation. One and two Psalms is for removing negativity, you know, or negating somebody who might have cast negative energy at you. You know a hex, you know or spell. Right, right right or spell Right right right, so we can go through all 150 of them and break that down.

Speaker 1: 46:21

You know, yeah, got you, got you. So that's pretty dope, and we could find your book on your website, right?

Speaker 2: 46:24

Yes, it's on my website, divine School of Igniting, and I got a new book that's out too. That's my. I guess you could say that's the second book. This is the new one.

Speaker 1: 46:42

What is it? Planetary Genesis.

Speaker 2: 46:45

I can't see.

Speaker 1: 46:46

The light is blocking it, it's a glare.

Speaker 2: 46:48

Let's see, let's see.

Speaker 1: 46:54

Human extraterrestrial origin. Okay, you ain't playing out here. Huh, stargate DNA, right, all right, definitely, dr.

Speaker 2: 47:08

Yeah, it was talking about the Anunnaki. Talk about the Anunnaki. Yeah, they always talk about the Anunnaki. Well, the Anunnaki are a byproduct of the Syrians, so I get more into the Syrian mysteries, you know in that book because they're who are the Nomos you know in that book, compared to just the Anunnaki, in which that everybody is talking about now, the Anunnaki, nubiru, the Anunnaki, dr York, teachings prior to him, zachariah sentient, stiches, you know. So they just, you know, going crazy now with you know, with the Anunnaki thing. So I had to put everything in perspective and how the Syrian beings seeded this planet billions of years ago and the Anunnaki just got here 400,000 years ago.

Speaker 1: 48:12

And that ties into what I magic as well. What magic and all that.

Speaker 2: 48:16

Well, it ties into the fact that they gave us systems, for example, the so-called fallen angels, as they refer to them as gave the Nephilim Well, the Nephilim was the children. Gave the Nephilim, well, the Nephilim was the children. So you know. But the so-called fallen angels, they gave us the system of how to make weapons, how to cast spells, how to purify and beautify ourselves, how to do all these types of things in which that humanity still does today. They taught us these things.

Speaker 1: 49:03

I got you. Definitely we have to reconnect more, to go more in depth with this ancestral worship and magic things. We've got to get you back on here, go more in depth with this. You know, ancestral worship and magic and magic things. Like when you've got to get you back on here. For those, those who agree with this show, who want to see a part two or three, you know, hit, hit the like. Share this comment. You know, comment Cause, alim Bay, there's a lot that we want to get into but we just don't want to step on toes, toes, right, right and reveal too much.

Speaker 2: 49:34

But it's important man, are there any courses that you offering outside, outside of books? Yeah, yeah, they can go to my website, dralimelbaycom, and go to um, um, the educational, um healing or medical healing, um section, and they'll find. In the healing section they'll find Reiki, qigong, tai Chi, pranic Healing, and offer all these courses every day, weekly. The herbs are there. Yes, we teach you herbalism, we teach you candle magic, if that's what you're looking for, so forth and so on. Whatever you want to learn, that's what we're there to teach.

Speaker 1: 50:27

And I gotta look into that book before we shoot up out of here. I want to thank you, Dr Alim Bey man, for coming through. Brother, yeah, no problem, and I got to look into that book before we shoot up out of here.

Speaker 2: 50:33

I want to thank you, dr Alim Bey man, for coming through, brother.

Speaker 1: 50:33

Yeah, no problem, and I appreciate you for always, you know, being there and being supportive of NYP. Salute to you, brother. Salute to y'all. I'm glad y'all keeping this going.

Speaker 2: 50:45

Huh, What'd you say? I said I'm glad y'all keeping this going. I know man.

Speaker 1: 50:49

Listen, that's the goal, man. They want to see us fail. Shout out to my brother, Ron. You know, for those who don't know, Ron out there putting in that work man, this time, Ron, be like yo, brother, come on. You know, Brother's putting in work out there.

Speaker 2: 51:00

Right right.

Speaker 1: 51:03

Salute to us for real man.

Speaker 2: 51:05

Because you know Too bad.

Speaker 1: 51:07

Too bad, it's not going to happen. We here to stay. Shout out to all the guests that have been on the show we appreciate your contribution to this conscious community, your work that you put in out here. You've been out here for a minute, brother. Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying, so we salute you. And for those who want to check out his books, check out DrAlimbeycom.

Speaker 2: 51:42

That's D-R dot com as d r a l I m e l b b e y dot com. All right, and we out. Peace, my brother peace.