Clock of Destiny Part 1 - Nakiim Bey

The Clock of Destiny stands as one of the most misunderstood yet powerful systems of knowledge within Moorish American traditions. In this profound conversation, Nike Bay unveils the origins, principles, and practical applications of this scientific approach to sovereignty and self-mastery.

Founded in 1947 by Dr. Charles Mosley Bay (CMB), the Clock of Destiny wasn't created as another religious movement, but rather as a scientific and cultural organization designed to "solve economic, social and political problems" facing people of color. Nike Bay explains how this private "Adept Chamber" differs from the more public Moorish Science Temple of America while sharing complementary goals of uplifting humanity.

What makes this discussion particularly valuable is Nike Bay's clear explanation of how astrology functions as the foundation of the Clock's teachings. Far from the commercialized horoscopes familiar to most, this system offers a comprehensive understanding of the zodiac houses, planetary influences, and natal charts as tools for personal development and solving practical life challenges. "When you study the signs, you cannot be an unconscious person," Nike Bay explains, emphasizing how this knowledge transforms understanding of self and others.

Perhaps most striking is the practical emphasis on economic sovereignty and family legacy-building. Rather than focusing solely on philosophical concepts, Nike Bay repeatedly stresses the importance of education, professional development, and creating generational wealth: "Your lodge is your family. Your legacy is your family." This family-first approach offers a refreshing counterpoint to organizational politics that often divide communities.

Ready to move beyond surface-level understanding and discover how ancient wisdom can solve modern problems? Listen now to

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Speaker 1: 0:10

what's going on everybody? It's ron brown lmt, the people's fitness professional, aka soul brother number one on the reporting for duty. We got the brother nike bay in the building. Uh, peace to the brother nike bay we had. We're talking about the clock of destiny right now. Clock of destiny to me is one of um, it's, it's. To me, it's a this is just a cipher I never really delved deep into. So I, I, you know, I don't, I don't like the under, I don't have a a deeper understanding of those teachings. I just have a little issue with you know the Zodiac and astrology and things like that, because for what I know, astrology, you know, as it's taught here in the West, is not right and exact, so it's not a right and exact science. So that's just my issue and maybe you could inform me on what the zodiac is for the clock of destiny. But first off, peace to you, how you doing this evening I'm great, my brother face, please take it back.

Speaker 1: 1:22

All right. So the first question is what is the Clock of Destiny and who founded it?

Speaker 2: 1:30

The Clock of Destiny. That means the Zodiac All right. Number two, the founder, is known as CMB, also called Charles Mosley Bay or dr CM Bay.

Speaker 2: 1:48

He had a PhD and an LOD, and law as well oh, I didn't know that yes, yes, and you will see also in his book the clock of destiny at the bottom page. You know he went to the University of Chicago. You know as well PhD and LD, with the Doctor of the Laws, which is primarily honorary degree at that time. Yes, wow, ok, it was founded in Cleveland Ohio. He made way from Chicago to Detroit to Cleveland Ohio. The clock was established in 1947. He revised a lot of the materials, the documents, in 1952. He passed away, if I recall, in 1973. I think it was 75. I remember the last article I read and he passed away through a stroke. He had a stroke Right and there were a lot of writings that he comprised when he had a stroke right and there were a lot of writings that he um comprised when he had a stroke um very meaningful to the organization itself okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 3:16

So what is the clock of destiny? You said it's just a zodiac right. What is the clock of destiny? You said it's just a Zodiac right.

Speaker 2: 3:24

Well, the clock of destiny the term itself comes from the Roscoe Fellowship. One of their charts identifies it to be the clock of destiny, which is the Zodiac Right and the basis of the organization. That was the foundation. But the basis of the organization, that was the foundation. But the basis of the organization was to solve the economic, social and political problems. So I'm quoting that to you because the clock one and the clock two says that we ought to solve our economic and social problems.

Speaker 2: 4:02

And then in Circle of Life, his third book, he mentioned that we have to solve our economic, social and political problems right.

Speaker 2: 4:10

And he said in Circle of Life, in the introductional page second to the last paragraph, he said that our condition as a people, socially, is due to our economic enslavement, meaning we have economic problems and so because we have that problem, we have also a social problem. And if we can solve our economic problem right, then we can solve our social problem. So the Cog of Destiny was founded on that right for our people to solve an economic problem, meaning financial situation right and social problems right. They have a better life, a better condition, a better career, a better future. And the political problem that was mentioned in the other book and you can see now. You know that there's a big problem in the world Right and in Congregational Value 1, in the back of the pages towards the end, he says that the Europeans badly need our help and so it was really based on those three things that we should be focused on in the clock, and astrology was the basis of that, and I can go into why.

Speaker 3: 5:38

But I'll allow your questions to flow. Okay, okay, that's peace right there. Peace, nakeem, how you doing, brother?

Speaker 2: 5:43

I'm good and yourself.

Speaker 3: 5:44

I'm good. I'm good man, Glad to hear you, glad to see you. Second question I have how does the Clock of Destiny Differ from the more science Movement, Like the more science temple of America?

Speaker 2: 5:56

Well, the Clock of Destiny Is not a Religious organization. So that's one Right and two CMB religious organization. So that's one Right and two CMB. He said that we are scientific and cultural morals Right, and we are to represent that Right, that we're not religious morals. But there's nothing wrong with morals if they were religion, if you need religion, you know, because it gives them stillness and peace of mind and structure and so forth, right. But the clock, you know, was for a certain membership and also it was private.

Speaker 2: 6:42

Your question, bob, is a good question, because the MSTFA is a public organization but the Adelaide Chamber is a private component of the Morish and National Divine Movement. So everyone can go to MSTFA and claim birthright, which they should right. But if you want higher knowledge and want to be more responsible for structure and government and divine principles right and get more in-depth about the movement that the Prophet Javi established, then you go to the Adept Chamber. The Clock of Destiny is the Adept Chamber. It's not from the MSTFA per se, right, but it's adapt knowledge, like Marcus Bay said on his tapes, who was a student of CM Bay, that the congregation has adapt knowledge, right. So the clock wasn't for the general population, it wasn't for the public. It was for a think tank of great minds coming together for a common cause and to have those members in the organization work on solving the economic and social and political problem of the world.

Speaker 2: 8:01

But first of all it was closed. It was closed until exiled members that seemed to be exiled in 1968, 1969, until they, you know, you put somebody out to get disenfranchised, to get mad and they do whatever right. So they started duplicating documents and all kinds of stuff, right, and so it went haywire, it went crazy. But the clock had always been a private organization, a closed organization. It was never for the public. It's why on the original legal guide for court action for the Moors and the clock it stated that that's not a card. A temple card was for members only, Right. So it's obvious, if you wasn't a member, it's simple you weren't entitled to all the rights, likes and benefits. I'll say it again If you're not a member, it means you are not entitled to the rights, likes and benefits of the organization, any person. It was laid down by CMB.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Exactly so that organization, any personal it was laid down by cmb exactly so. That's the difference between immaturity and and the clock. There's no disharmony, there's no enemy or hate involved. Is this? Several organizations with great missions, similar right, but on the preamble that we follow, right and astrology, we are guided by those who say astrology in the clock.

Speaker 1: 9:31

OK, ok, so who was CMB and what makes his teachings unique? I think you already answer who CMB is or was.

Speaker 2: 9:47

What makes his teachers unique is that the masses of people called Black African Indians, west Indians, et cetera. They don't have no constitution, no seal, no constitution, no, no flag and no laws, and there was self-government. He brought us our more graceful constitution for a free people and by that way you become free, more American, under the umbrella of Pachacabesha. So you got people of color and I understand to a degree fighting to partake in the Constitution of the United States. The history shows that it was not written for you. Yet you were instrumental in establishing the Constitution or fighting for the Constitution or being a great American citizen, but you were never included. So you're forcing yourself in places where you're not wanted.

Speaker 3: 10:55

Right.

Speaker 2: 10:56

Right. So the CNB gave you a Constitution to stand on, along with your free national name, bay or Ill.

Speaker 3: 11:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:05

The CNB did too. Right. The CMB came a little bit after the movement in material vein, regarding whatever went down in history in 28, 29, and so forth, right, but he came and he targeted a certain group of individuals, right, and he wanted them to come to the fold. And what CMA said on the cover of Harvest, destiny, especially formations and who, eastern Stars, structure, discipline, insight, government principles, right, and they can definitely move the agenda, especially for them, not saying anybody else, but especially for them, all right. So a constitution you have, you know, and also, you know, the prophet came with the same idea. It was about businesses, right.

Speaker 2: 12:00

I'm going to quote you right here, the preamble, first paragraph Portion. I'm going to quote you right here, the preamble, first paragraph portion. We, the members of the Morris Constitutional National Order, must promote organized effort in the category of all legal business enterprises such as chain stores, unnecessary human consumption, housing and building programs, agriculture, printing, literature, home group education and the Morse signs of the Zodiac involving human character, sociology, economics, commerce, the science of good government, et cetera. We, the Morse American members, irish-american members and also the European Americans or the white people union society, at that time, 48 states equally depend upon one another for economic security and progress and peace. That's two paragraphs for the preamble. That gives you the aims and objectives of proclamation. But many came and many have gone, because that is a big responsibility for one to pick up. So you can see our direction, what makes us unique and different.

Speaker 3: 13:24

So it's more like a, you know, a more civic relation concept.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Absolutely Like I said. Yep, it's more of a civic demonstration.

Speaker 3: 13:32

And you know, and to add to that the registration of AA-222-141, that right there, right.

Speaker 2: 13:43

Absolutely, absolutely. You know he registered that library of congress um based on his document. It said also us department of justice. Yeah, many say that I have changed the copyright number you. But if you're intelligent enough, if you, brother, ron right, mickey right, if either one of you today published a book, right, yeah, if you put on that book copyright, do you assign it a number, or the Congress signs it a number. The Congress assigns it a number. Library of Congress.

Speaker 3: 14:27

Library of Congress.

Speaker 2: 14:30

Can I go behind you or you? No, personally, change your number.

Speaker 3: 14:35

No.

Speaker 2: 14:37

People have said many times. I have changed the copyright number. It shows you how unintelligent many of them are. You know how less informed they are. Right, see, they don't know how to use the number. That is to their advantage and then, pardon me, disadvantage. And because they're not a member on the inside, they would never know how to use the number. You see, I'm saying you can, you can tie it into title 22, chapter 241, council of courts. Right well, you have to know how to use that with your constitution.

Speaker 3: 15:24

Right well, you have to know how to use that with your constitution, you know one or two, and really only messiah, and I may only want to know how to use it right, because it's not for you as an individual, it's for the nation, right for people.

Speaker 2: 15:46

So we have people that have taken on this knowledge and have abused it, misused it.

Speaker 1: 15:51

Right.

Speaker 2: 15:52

See, when you study the signs, you cannot today be an unconscious person, not know who you are and your origin in this world, and you worship what you know, not not understand that you easily in the wrong direction. The heart led in the right direction and then tomorrow you get the clock books and a car in your pocket and now you more as american. It took you seven years to get toxic in your body, which is is pig In words. You're thinking about the same amount of years or more to get rid of the poison in your body. So imagine the poison now in your brain.

Speaker 3: 16:34

Yeah, you are what you eat, baby.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Right, so many of them. They have misinformed others Right. But I use you as a logic, common sense, right? You know the clock. If you know what I had done in the past, the move that I had made with the clock, right, success stories right, it was the Morse counseling. It wasn't made up, it was the real deal. That was through seeing base works. When you open your eyes, you realize that a lot of Asiatics, they just want this knowledge so they can deal with their selfish interests. Our people are not a subject of concern. We have a passion for the upliftment, right, because we have a job to uplift all humanity, not only to get a card in their pocket or put a straight kind of headpiece on their head, but to show them how to solve their economic and social problems. And then we're going to political problems. Go ahead, brother, that's right. And there's social problems, and then we're going to political problems.

Speaker 3: 17:46

Go ahead brother, that's right. I just had to ask that that's peace, man.

Speaker 2: 17:51

No, no, brother. Actually you know it's a good question. I'm glad you did.

Speaker 3: 17:54

Yeah, definitely so. What does the clock actually symbolize in the doctrine?

Speaker 2: 18:01

What you mean in the doctrine.

Speaker 3: 18:03

Like within the clock of destiny, like the term clock he used, because I know you know. The title itself says you know, man knowing how to move through space time.

Speaker 2: 18:11

Right, right right right, I got you, so I said it earlier. I think it just came on right Probably like a minute.

Speaker 3: 18:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:17

Afterwards. It's a zodiac.

Speaker 1: 18:19

It's a zodiac.

Speaker 2: 18:21

See the zodiac brother and.

Speaker 2: 18:22

I hear you, brother Ron. It's simple, right. I always tell people well, this strategy is the Eastern and the Western and the Citadel. Listen, look in your chart, your natal chart, and you tell me that those certain characteristics resemble you. That's all and that is the truth. And the law is called perfect evidence. I'm a Leo and you know I'm a Leo, but I'm a cancer rising. You know I'm a cancer rising. I need that balance. I don't need fine water, I need the subtleness, I need the spark. But CRA was a Pisces Foresight and vision. So I'm in heaven as a Pisces.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Real quick. Creator of boundless universe. I think that's cosmology. Cosmology, ask whatever you want to ask. Ask whatever you want to ask. Ask whatever you want to ask. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3: 20:08

That's the fact what he said, because that book was CMBA was an astrologer and when I read, like the science in that book, he spoke about worldly events that took place from the birth of Hitler, when he came to the time of Ares, and how the stock market was affected by certain dates. That's right, brother Mussolini and such. So, yeah, it's important to know your natal. It's more, like you know, astrology, metaphysics involved. The time you were born plays a part, you know.

Speaker 2: 20:35

Right, numerology Right.

Speaker 3: 20:37

Numerology which angel worked with you a certain time and it's a lot to it.

Speaker 2: 20:42

You know, pablo Joliot was the Capricorn. He was the Capricorn, he dealt with government, but the catcher was a Leo. Obama was a Leo. Come on, now we can go down the line Nancy Reagan, the wife of Ronald Reagan. She was his astrologist. Yeah, you see what I'm saying. So astrology is a applied art and science. You know what I mean, but you gotta really study it and master it. Not only does it treat of human behavior, but it describes your character and how it deal with people.

Speaker 1: 21:23

Zootochias that's a fact right now I want to go into the next question. Uh, what is the significance? I don't think that's a good question, but let's go to the next one. All right metaphysical question how does the clock of law view time, law and space?

Speaker 2: 21:51

How does the clock view time, law and space? Yeah Well, I've got to say the Kushites are the ones that laid down the signs of astrology. The Kushites are interchemic, and so when you use astrology in line with the divine law, it can only be in harmony. You, as a human being, is the only person not in harmony with divine law. It can only be in harmony. You, as a human being is the only person not in harmony with the divine law. The micro and macro is one and the same. It's the God within the God that you are Right.

Speaker 2: 22:18

So time only exists in one's mind. See, you was created in the image, like there's a God, but you limit yourself by zoning into time. See, god is the maker of time and the ending of time. You see what I'm saying? Right, that's who you are, but your nature is God. You transcend time. Time is only illusion, man-made, when Ben Bates, also known as Benjamin Banneker, established the first wooden time clock transcend time. Time is only an illusion, man-made. When Ben Bates, also known as Benjamin Banneker, established the first wooden time clock, it was for the Europeans. It's not for us, because they own time. We're infinite. You know what I'm saying? They're in the time zone, we're not.

Speaker 3: 23:02

And the Almanac, I believe yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:04

We put on their ideology, their culture, their God and we begin to emulate them. But we have to go back to the source of which we came. So we transcend time. There's no time. How you say this in the circle of the Quran.

Speaker 1: 23:21

Time never was before, man was not.

Speaker 2: 23:24

Right Time. Never was before, man was not. And, what's important thing, the finite cannot comprehend the infinite.

Speaker 3: 23:30

Right.

Speaker 2: 23:31

So human people, human form, are very finite and they deal with human concepts, human practices. That's what they are. So I came up with one of the gods. We deal with God, energy, god power, god infinite To go, divine names Right so the clock gods. We deal with God, energy, god power, god infinite. And when it comes to divine names, right so the clock destiny brother. It's in harmony with the universe Because it is the universe. A lot of forefathers who had great minds right, superseded all things finite.

Speaker 3: 24:04

That's power right there.

Speaker 1: 24:06

Yeah, that kind of helped me, that helped me out a lot right there yeah, I'm telling you, you gotta get that book run.

Speaker 3: 24:13

Like I think you do have the clock at this, yeah, yeah, I have the clock books, yeah yeah, man gotta read it again. I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 2: 24:19

I'm gonna read it if you're going to books. It's crazy because, open up, it's new, something new. I had it since 1983. And it's still something new to me. I got to renew it. But one thing I got to keep in mind you know, see, knowledge is good to have. Wisdom makes it different, because wisdom is the application of the knowledge. If you don't apply the knowledge, you become dormant and it pass away.

Speaker 3: 24:43

Right, I got you, I got you. So can you explain the 12 signs? I got you, I got you, so, um, can you explain the 12 signs of the Zodiac in relation to the Moorish nationality and law?

Speaker 2: 24:55

That's now chain law. See the laws of my house, my house, personality. That's now the first house. That's now the chain of law. You know, see, it's not like it's a vine law. You know it's not man-made law. You know nationality. Let me tell you something, I'll be real about it. Man God today, man God tomorrow, and you're only in the God that you see, it may unfold as God unfolds. So the day you call yourself more Americans, tomorrow something else, but though that has been here since the time of the forefathers. You know, this is all transitional. The highest, let me tell you something, the highest person, is you, god. I'm being real, I'm not religious. That now is a process. You see what I'm saying. See what it says A man unfolds, his God unfolds. Do you want to be Just a man or God, or just a most American, or a most American With science? Do you want to be Just a Muslim or God?

Speaker 2: 26:23

I'd rather be God, right, right, see. So, even though your nature is this, see, the prophet said that when you harm the thought Of a man, you harm the thought of Allah. Look into the face of a man, you look into the face of Allah. So People are studying all kinds of stuff when they're not mastering themselves. Who will truly relate to your reality of being God? Yep, right. So the Zodiac, where they're not massing themselves, who will truly relate to your reality of being God? Yep, right. So the Zodiac is all that.

Speaker 2: 26:52

Brother. Personality, you know. Economics, career, because you know second house is abundance, finance. You know 10th house is career. The psychic. 12th house, lord of life house, the underworld, the highest science. The 8th house, right, I can go ahead through it. Balance. 7th house, the analytical mind. 6th house, family. The 5th house. 11th house, friends and friendships. Right. 7th house, family. The fifth house. Eleventh house, friends and friendships. Right. Seventh house, marriage. I can go ahead and do it. Right, that was the science.

Speaker 2: 27:37

As a clock-intensive member, you look into the zodiac. You say I have an issue. What planet is transitioning this particular house in my chart? I have an issue, I want to advance an issue. I better understand myself, right? So I got to study all my houses, 12. It's called in the Bible mansions, right, you know. And you got to know how the planets are involved. So you might know about the sun and moon have effect on powers on that planet right, you might know about the sun and moon have effect on our planet Right, you might know about that. But how about Mercury, venus, earth, mars, jupiter, saturn, uranus, neptune, pluto and Neptune? How about other planets?

Speaker 3: 28:18

Yes, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 28:20

Real quick Cosmology, thank you for the $5. Or creator of Boundless Universe, Thank you for the $5. The question is, what did the prophet mean by do all old business in the old name and do all new business in the new name?

Speaker 2: 28:39

Brother.

Speaker 1: 28:40

I love that question.

Speaker 2: 28:44

See, we say in great still law you cannot be free and bound at the same time. You can't even yes and no at the same time. Right, finish all business in your old name. As you finish that, they come and reclaim nationality on your new name. What has happened?

Speaker 2: 29:12

You have those that came here with ill intentions. I got a credit issue. I want to not pay this student loan. I don't want to pay this mortgage, I don't want to have a license, no more, because I have adopted ideology from the European powers of colonial settlers.

Speaker 2: 29:31

They come over here with the old stuff, the old baggage, and they come here All your old business in your old name. They come here because this is a new journey for you. And what the prophet said come and serve on your own body and fig tree. You're under the ego. Now you want to come under the pyramid, the great seal, the great seal law.

Speaker 2: 30:02

Right, you cannot be yes and no at the same time, and a lot of people they're yes and no at the same time. So, great question. I love it. You know what I'm saying, because a lot of people have to know when you come to the abortion movement, don't come with baggage. Right, be the bag leader or bag man and put it aside. You want to start fresh. You want to start fresh. This is an Islamic movement as well. It has culture, it has refinement, it has civilization I'm just rambling right. It has knowledge and wisdom and understanding. It has culture and refinement. You cannot be a savage over here in the soup of the happiness you were dealing with over there right, that was a great answer.

Speaker 1: 30:57

Great answer, man. Wow, because I've heard. I've heard other things when people ask that question. That was great. What does man is mine mean in the Clock of Destiny doctrine?

Speaker 2: 31:16

Man is mine. I'm trying to think how to call that statement. I probably saw it very simplistic man is mine. You know, wow, because now you're saying what is the mind. You know wow, because now you're saying what is the mind Right? Because if man is mind, you're saying man is the mind. So that means he's able to activate all five stages of the mind Right At some point in his life. So if man is mind, it means the conscious level, the mind right At some point in his life. So if man is mind, it means the conscious level, the subconscious, the superconscious and the magnetic and the infinite, those five things of the mind man must develop to manifest the ability to achieve those goals.

Speaker 3: 32:11

That's peaceful. So I have a question. It'll be a little controversial Do you believe Black Americans are indigenous to this land? Why, or why not? Well, first of all you look, black Americans are indigenous to this land.

Speaker 2: 32:28

Why or why not? Well, first of all, you look at the word indigenous it means poor.

Speaker 3: 32:36

Oh, wow.

Speaker 2: 32:37

Right, look at that, right, right, black Americans, some, let's hear after the fact, some was here before the colonial sellers came here, you know, right. So one had to trace their genealogy and find out their line here in America. But I do know, because I got the book. England was once called Virginia, for example. The fact of the matter, right, you know. So they said, well, the ship came from England and went to another state, right, but there was different names for those states, like New Mexico, right. The point I'm making is that some people were brought here way after the fact, but also people here already. Yeah, right, so it may be controversial, but I deal with the facts. I don't want to generalize.

Speaker 3: 33:39

No, I respect that. I respect that. This is pretty good.

Speaker 2: 33:47

I have quite a few questions, but I'm going to ask some questions, like with a mind traveling.

Speaker 3: 33:51

You can ask definitely yeah, that's where we at right now. What's your perspective on Moore's engaging with the US legal system, traffic stops and court appearances, etc what is my perspective? Yeah, you know look CNB and court appearances, etc. What?

Speaker 2: 34:07

is my perspective, yeah, you know. Look, cma said that we must have respect for the federal, state and county laws of the land. I'm going to say it again we got to have respect for the federal, state and county laws of the land. Right, if cops stop you, you show them your license from the state. You know your passport, you know that's what you do. Right, you should have that you know. If you go to court, you know. And what you're doing in court? Um, as a reasoning which is unlawful, then find a righteous way to combat it. Get a lawyer because you don't know law. No, now let me. Let me, let me say say a little better, right? The prophet said if you had I'm going to say European, if you had a European education, I could use you More. Should be lawyers, judges, doctors, prosecutors, nurses, engineers, pharmacists, et cetera. That's a fact, right? So the better navigation of the system. You've got to learn the system and apply yourself within the system, then you'll understand part and parcel.

Speaker 3: 35:36

That's peace right there. All right, that makes sense, man, to have an understanding, you know.

Speaker 2: 35:41

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 35:43

It makes perfect sense, because you can't beat the car dealer, be angry at him for cheating you if you don't own a game.

Speaker 2: 35:50

Absolutely yeah. Yeah, See what I'm saying there, right.

Speaker 3: 35:53

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:55

The car game. The car is shocked, right. But also I want to say this here because it's real Not all the time police officers are correct, not all the time are judges correct. Are lawyers correct?

Speaker 2: 36:12

Moors need to learn how to file court actions, as probably go to law school, even if you're not Moors Americans, I don't care who you are, what you're tied to. Learn the law. Learn how to file writs in court, because if a cop charges you, you should be able to deal with that from beginning to end. Right, you should be able to charge the police officer, charge the judge, charge the employer on your job, you know, and so forth. Right, you know, I mean, I know how to do this here. Some of y'all know this already, right, you know. Learn these things, right, because sometimes all you really have is yourself and you and you meaning it should be two people learning. Don't leave that sovereignty, patriot, posse stuff alone. You're taking abstracts from different documents, you're putting together a bunch of mess and you're filing it and you find out it's incorrect get jammed up in the system.

Speaker 3: 37:26

Bad right, go to school pay for your.

Speaker 2: 37:27

Find out it's incorrect, get jammed up in the system. Bad Right Go to school. Pay for your studies, go to law school. It is fine. We can use you for the good, for the positive.

Speaker 3: 37:38

I respect that. What's the clock of Destiny's position on reparations in the political system? We don't have that as an argument.

Speaker 2: 37:46

position on reparations in the political system. You know we don't have that as an argument. You know what I mean, you know. Look, let's be real, and I thought about it earlier today America is the greatest country in the world. It's truly a land of opportunity, but you have to know how to take advantage of opportunities before you know America based on credentials, education who you know, you know right. You know reparations is fine If you can claim that history you know, right you, if you can claim that history you know right, you got to prove it. The clock. We haven't been our issue, right, Because we promote self-development, self-governorship, economic sovereignty. Get a house, provide for your family, do economics, get educated, establish a family legacy. You got people who don't have acres of land as far as they own a home and a vacation home. You got a nice retirement plan. You got two businesses that they run, the kids run the businesses. They travel many times a year, right? So you know we are battling this system so much that we in our mind think it is our enemy.

Speaker 2: 39:29

You know there are people in this government that are not in our favor, but whether it's black, brown, red, yellow, white, caucasian red or whatever, or pink right, everyone is not in the same pool for the same reason.

Speaker 3: 39:42

Exactly. Hold on a second real quick. We got a super chat from Creative Balance Universe. He said as beige should we stand on, that represents its literal sense Offending the government of the province. What?

Speaker 2: 40:00

I love what you're saying as a Bay, because I'm a Bay, as a Bay and an ill. You're standing alone Because the Moorish community I'm going to say community, not a community per se you know we are very individualized. I got a team of few individuals that we can move together in unity right, but standing on the bay alone is not good enough. You know you need collaboration. You need another thing, you need economics. You know.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Most importantly, Right, right, right. Yeah, I agree we are part and parcel. Well, I didn't quote 120 lessons, man, you don't improve many factors there. Well, all the land that I own, you know they still own great percentage of it, you know, you know. So I'm just saying we are part and partial, and I will say this here, not to deviate but the federal government was never against us. I mean the current one. Issues going on right.

Speaker 2: 41:09

The police officers in the land were never against us. We never knew how to deal with them. You know what I'm saying. That's part with them. You know what I'm saying. That's part and parcel. You know what I'm saying. You're always going to have enemies before us.

Speaker 3: 41:24

Some people are asking good questions tonight. They say what's seeing things?

Speaker 2: 41:27

I love it. Look, look, look, you know you're right. Priest and was a member of the Brother Christian Fellowship for Christian men and women. Absolutely brother.

Speaker 3: 41:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:41

Brother who was a Catholic priest, taught him well, absolutely, I totally agree. So you'll see a lot of the Catholic teachings and Sanford teachings and how he dealt with it. Yes, he was a member of Max Hyandale. I was in Marcus Bay House in Cleveland, ohio. Me and brother was there. Uh, yes, he was a member of max hindale. I was in marcus bay house, um in um cleveland, ohio. Me and brother. Brother was there, he said. He said mike heiner was a more you know, you gotta understand concept, right, you know absolutely. But yes, he was. He was a member um of of catholic church and he was also a member of as well. True and dear brother. Absolutely, you know. Cme said in his writings those who are listening, he said Moore's got it. His writings it's private because they were there when I got them and Messiah Bay copied them and gave them to some brothers. He said do not mess with the Russian troops because it bothers your mind. The Roticrucian studies is very, very powerful, not for anybody. You got to have a very developed mind for sure.

Speaker 3: 42:47

Yes, true, we'll build more after the show. I have been touching a few books on that.

Speaker 2: 42:54

Very powerful.

Speaker 3: 42:58

A lot of transformation of self.

Speaker 2: 43:01

And I will say, when I went to the college near Rochelle, I finished four years. When I was there, I used to go to the Catholic Library because there's a Catholic university. I used to go to, like Morisco's the Book of the Moors, but the same day, you know. So, yeah, you see, once you have the foundation, you got to build it after. Go ahead, brother.

Speaker 3: 43:23

Yeah, that's powerful right there. So what books or materials should someone read to begin understanding this path?

Speaker 2: 43:32

Wow, brother. You know I don't know as a question, but let me tell you something. I always say it Clock is actually a value in one and two. It's a foundation. That's right Research, research, research. I always tell the morals of the clock, try to disprove it. If you cannot disprove it, no one else can Get all of this. Circle of Life book, astrology. These are all by CMB.

Speaker 3: 44:06

Circle of Life book. All right.

Speaker 2: 44:09

He said this constitution is the foundation of my two books, volume one and volume two. Right, this is the foundation for your travels, your map. He said Europeans are guided by the Moorish Empire history. When I read that I went out and bought the three volumes of the Moorish Empire. He mentioned that book 1928, go and Get it. What he 1928, go and get it. Well, he mentions go and study.

Speaker 2: 44:41

The brother mentioned earlier about muslimi hitler. Yeah, those five sons of destiny we have on the astrology and their parents, and no wife see me said what he said you'll be guided by the 12th times of the zodiac and book one and book two. You do that. Don't be involved with the other people out here not following the path. You follow the path.

Speaker 2: 45:04

Now I got to say with that, because with that brother or sister who asked that question, I got to say the Moist Quran is a very powerful, powerful book. It's important that people study the Moj Karam. It's made up of three books. You got to study those three books in that one book. And I say it because a lot of Mojs don't have civilization, righteousness. They deal with the lower self and not the higher self.

Speaker 2: 45:39

If I wasn't a god and I wanted to be a Muslim, I'd probably study the Prophet Muhammad and the Quran and I'd visit any mosque because I don't want to follow any ideology. Now, if I want to follow any ideology Now, if I wanted to be Muslim, on that side I would just follow the most Quran and the Prophet's teachings and that's it. I won't get in a lot with the MSTFA and those political and social concerns that they're building. Right, because when human minds get certain things, things happen. I'll follow the Prophet and Quran, but because I am better, that of God, right, the original man that is. I will say clock one, clock two, circle light. Just read the Constitution of the World of the Act, because without a bayonet you can't even use it. And I'll say the most Quran, for sure.

Speaker 3: 46:44

That's peace right there. You on fire. Nakeem, salute my brother, because I've been watching your information for years and I went on the Clock of Destiny website before I started traveling myself. Yeah, and you know, I went on the Clock of Destiny website before I started traveling myself. Yeah, and you know, although I'm in my studies of traveling, I always go back and peek at the Circle 7. Someone always tell me, oh, go back and peek. I'm like, oh, I'm like, wow, this is making sense, this is next to that, and so go, so on and so forth. I can't, you know, I can't say much, but yeah, it's very powerful.

Speaker 2: 47:16

Go ahead I got something for you, klob you continue, I am considering shutting down the Clark College. Get out of here man, I talked about Tim Mimmers the other day, but now, anyway, I am considering that Not yet, don't do it yet. Go ahead brother.

Speaker 3: 47:42

We got a super chat here again from creator of the Boundless Universe. I appreciate the super chat. My brother or sister they say. Can you expound on what the prophet meant when he said I throw away your Bibles because I am going to use it to correct the government Paraphrase.

Speaker 2: 48:02

You know, I remember saying that a while ago, hearing that you know I will say this here, right? Well, right, he's going to use it to condemn the government. Right, if you want to get to me, you got to be able to quote 120 lessons, not MSTV or clock. My foundation is 120 lessons. If you want to get to the Christians, you got to get to them through the Bible, the Muslims, the Quran, the Mosque Quran. Pharaoh mentioned many times about this government. It's fine wanting, as he said, it's fine wanting. And the cities of Philadelphia. You know this government is recorded In the Bible, foreseen, already written In advance. Right, so my understanding would be you know, to the Denver's government, you gotta come at them with the Bible.

Speaker 2: 49:16

Right, I don't mean religion. You got to show them their history. See, trump is Pharaoh, and we dealt with the science of the laws, right? Trump is Pharaoh. You cannot hate a man that was made to do what he's doing. It's already recorded in the stars.

Speaker 3: 49:37

Ordain baby, that's the word I used last show Ordain.

Speaker 2: 49:39

It's already recorded in the stars Ordain baby that's the word I used last show, ordain. His last name is Trump. He caught all other people that wasn't followers. Yaku had followers Isn't that right? And they followed his laws, regardless to what he told them to do. They did it. If not, they paid with their lives. Every law they broke, the penalty was death. Well, he did. All his followers Trump followers, all the Trump followers followed him. And then what happened? If you disobey Trump, what he did? Cut the wall Exile Trump.

Speaker 2: 50:20

Now he want to, in jail. You Don't hate a man who was made to do what he's doing. If he wasn't going to be in office, it would never happen. It's mathematics, it's law, it's in the Bible. He's a white horse. It's mathematics, it's law, it's in the Bible, it's in the white horse, oh, oh.

Speaker 3: 50:42

You're going too deep.

Speaker 2: 50:43

That's right, the red horse. The red horse, a horse. You gotta know who he is, you know what I'm saying. And the one by his 14 billionaire who he is.

Speaker 1: 50:57

You know what?

Speaker 2: 50:57

I'm saying, and all about his 14 billionaire connections, what you mad, why you mad at that.

Speaker 3: 51:07

He's using what's within his realm, you know, in his orbit, that's what he's using.

Speaker 2: 51:16

Right, right, right, right, so. So so you're right, brother, marvis bay marvin, I have 300 something sayings. Marvis bay, and we was on the phone many times. He was, he was a student of cm bay and he was a member of the adept chamber. And also cm bay, great man for sure. He passed. Yeah, he passed about a few years ago, actually A few years ago, so to speak, but yeah, so I'm just talking about the Bible and government. You know what I'm saying. People are looking at Trump and they don't like what he's doing and it makes it feel very funny. I didn't vote for him, right, it's what it is, right, but he had to stand up and do what he had to do. So don't hate, don't love, but understand the nature that one's made of. And look at the followers that are following him and look at the blind, deaf and dumb who was treading along that path, and all of them had been hoodwinked and booed. Right, right, they studied us, but we didn't study them, but the God studied them and.

Speaker 2: 52:28

Muhammad studied them. See what I'm saying. We don't hate what's going on. It's not comfortable, it's true, yeah, but the Bible tells the story. Go ahead, brother.

Speaker 3: 52:42

Beautiful man. How has being a member of the Clock of Destiny personally changed your life?

Speaker 2: 52:50

The Clock of Destiny has definitely opened my eyes in terms of the Moore's history, you know, and it gave me more of an industrial perspective of life, to be more economically inclined, right, it gave me a greatness to the law. When I was in college I had law classes, law. When I was in college I had law classes but the clock kind of like drove me to study like english law and other areas of law and I can defend my family, I can, I can help people out. You know I'm saying legally, I can deal with legal matters, you know right. So you know it put me on the path. You know the clock definitely in the Made you very studious.

Speaker 2: 53:36

Yeah, yeah. Well, on the more science, god be honest, like I'm a God, it wasn't for the 120 lessons. Yeah, because we was taught to study individually. We studied every day. So then, wednesday, I made sure I dealt with communication. That's more science. Tomorrow, thursday, it's business. I know I deal with business. You know right, I might study sex, magic, right, or Venus, beauty and love. Saturday, retirement education. So the father sent nation of God's earth, has taught me how to sign things out in a fine mist and bring it up, bring it down at my home, a fine mist and bring it up, bring it down At my will.

Speaker 2: 54:18

So it has definitely given me a foundation in the Huntsman Lessons. More science only added science.

Speaker 3: 54:24

That's peace right there, man. I respect that. I can tell man you have knowledge of self and a lot of high science knowledge as well. We have another super chat, again from countless boundless universe. Appreciate the super chats. And the question is Malcolm said to respect a man who was honest about his intentions Rather than put his arm around you and call you brother. That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Sure did, we'll be involved.

Speaker 3: 54:53

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 54:55

That's a fact brother, that's a fact brother.

Speaker 3: 54:59

We gotta have you come back on here in the king bay, man, because you're so full like, you're so resourceful with information, man, that that's needed out here, because you know a lot of people. You know, as you said, we could have this knowledge but not applying it.

Speaker 2: 55:15

It's just, it's a waste of time indeed, indeed, I mean, look, when our people is in a very bad situation and you got many schools of thoughts claiming to be the one you know, I mean I, I would say, you know me and my son had. My son and I had a good talk the other day and it's about our people. I said, son, whether it's Robert Smith family or Nathan Rothschild family, you know right, I'm going to go. Yahoo, I'm going to go. Jewish, I'm going to go.

Speaker 2: 55:48

Robert Smith, my brother, you know, don't try to save the world through organizations. I learned this here. You know, work with who you can, but your family. Establish the Ron Brown family, the Mickey family, right, you, your wife, your children, and build finance, help finance politicians right, that's good. Put money into businesses of your own people. Do they have done for them because it came from us anyway? Right, right, you want to change the world. Face, face. You want to change the world.

Speaker 2: 56:43

Start with your family first. That's what I learned back in the days. Your lodge is your family. That's how the God talked to you. Your lodge is your family, your legacy is your family. Yes, your family, man, woman and child. Build economic security with your family. Build a legacy with your family. That's your family, man, woman and child. Build economic security with your family. Build a legacy with your family. You know what I'm saying? That's the teachings of these great men Family first, before a big organization you're trying to organize is constantly being divided. Take all that knowledge and the best part for yourself and bring it to your family, your wife, your sister, your husband and your children. Give them the knowledge they need of self and education and give them the time of economics.

Speaker 3: 57:27

That's true.

Speaker 2: 57:28

And finance the good. You see what I'm saying, right, finance the good Because the clock is a family Six female signs and six male signs. It's the good Because the clock is a family Six female signs, the six male signs is a family and if it's us, we're on six degrees.

Speaker 3: 57:44

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 57:45

You know and the fifth house is my house on 50 degrees is for family. Every house of Zodiac is family. Be about your career with your family. Be about your family.

Speaker 3: 57:57

Five I got you. So is this brother opposed to taking our fight into the ICJ?

Speaker 2: 58:07

No, I'm not opposed, but if you know, I'm a student of international law and I'm certified in the area and before you go there you got to first do things on the local level first. A student of international law and I'm certified in the area Before you go there you got to first do things on the local level first. I currently have a case in DR a human rights consultant regarding an excrimination case with somebody from Miami going to Haiti through DR last year, august the 6th.

Speaker 2: 58:36

And he contacted me and me dealing with international right organs, I had to first make sure that all things were taken care of there first. So point of making ICJ is good. Well, you went at some point, showed them how you exercise your remedies here first and how these laws are not favorable, and then go through the process.

Speaker 3: 59:05

So no, this is the last question before we get up out of here.

Speaker 2: 59:10

Muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, muhammad, alright, muhammad, life 120 Degrees. Thank you, brother. The Lord found the signs, everything in life. He said life 120 degrees In the articles entitled the Black Woman. Alright, I have life 120 Degrees, and it says that there is no more life to be given out. It is incumbent upon each and every individual to search and find what he or she doesn't have, for the time isn't far off, right? So time, truthfully, of teaching is over.

Speaker 2: 1:00:01

Now, the 120 degrees itself, because if you said life 120 degrees, right, that's a lesson about four or five pages, right, who are the five of sense? How do you look? Where are they? Something like you and me, someone dressed bad, some high society types, some of the devils, penile institution, right? So I had that lesson, I went over that lesson, actually the last week, right? But I had to remember that my doubt is the babies, babies. The babies, right? Right, it's cut off now, but he taught us 120 lessons, right? Well, to be exact, to be exact, but imagine alphabets. He didn't teach us that. He gave us 1 to 10, 1 to 36, 1 to 14, 1 to 40, solar facts. That's what he gave us. If you add mathematics to it, give us the eight points. Right, definitely we'll get 120 degrees from that as a science Count all the eight points, all right, and then 5.72 with 360. We deal with the angles of the points.

Speaker 2: 1:01:18

So the point I'm making is those lessons he gave us was definitely the foundation to all things in existence, but you got to still draw it up, mention it and know where it applies in this day and time. Right, if you go to the 18th degree, you're talking about your duty as one who is civilized, to teach the world. Next degree, you're talking about what the job has done. You told them that's it. You stop there. Right, go to the fifth degree. You're talking about Jerusalem. You know that was the past man, many years ago. You know, go to the seventh degree about division and conquer. We have that among ourselves right now. Right, go to the eighth degree, the main thing, and then it's called by the son of man. In fact, all of the above is called by the son of man.

Speaker 2: 1:02:22

So the point I'm making right now I'm scanning through the degrees. Just, you know, to make the double, you must first begin back from the original. So what that means if I can take qualities from you, I can convert you and change you, make you other than yourself. So you've got to be able to draw your lessons up, because some of the lessons definitely are still in the past, but you've got to bring them to current as much as possible. They've got to be a living science and not just a quoting science. I remember when Big Daddy King came to the parliament on the 50th anniversary at the Apollo Theater he was leaning. He said don't be on the corner talking about $196,000, $40,000 for the water. What he was making is that make those lessons become live. Make them become real Live it Manifest those I definitely agree.

Speaker 3: 1:03:15

The science, making them become real, living, manifest them.

Speaker 2: 1:03:16

You know what I'm saying. So definitely, brother, I definitely agree. Right, you know science, everything in life. Remember that quote there. Right, it says what is the duty of a civilized person? Answer to teach he who is savage, civilization, righteousness and what else? The science of everything in life. So if you want to teach it, you got to first what have it, you got to go out there and get it Right. So now, once you get it, what's next? It's one thing I wish I would have came up with in this knowledge, but it's what it is. You know Young Fathers and Father Simmons, we was on the corner talking about the rain, the earth, the snow, the water the geography, the amateurs.

Speaker 2: 1:04:07

We broke it down. We should have been professors in schools now as scientists, that's the plan. History architecture, lawyers judges Our lesson. My brother was that key the same thing. The prophet said history, architecture, lawyers judges all lessons. My brother was that key. Same thing with the prophecy. If you had the education I'm misquoting that right. If you had that education, european education, right, cool now.

Speaker 2: 1:04:29

I can use you yeah right, so so so part of Megan is my brother is that I go through the lessons in my mind even though I'm almost 60 as of next month, and I was 15 years old and I'm still cold in my mind.

Speaker 3: 1:04:48

Keep the mind sharp.

Speaker 2: 1:04:50

Right. So the end result is the science got to be taught, but stop your families. I'm going to repeat this here. It's good to be part of your organizations. I call them phases. Be more involved with your family and bring the science there. It will help your people build capital, like the Robert Smith family, or the Nathan family or DuPont family or Chase family. Let it be your family. Bolas, al, myself, bella Let it be your family. Will you finance opportunity for our people? You know what I'm saying, right? Alright, peace.

Speaker 3: 1:05:34

Peace, lakeem. I appreciate you for coming out tonight. My brother, peace to the chat. We appreciate the super chats, the questions. You know viewers and listeners go back, play this over again. A lot of gems were dropped. Study, build with your civilization, which is your family, and you know we love you for that. Peace and we out NYP Later, brothers.

Speaker 2: 1:05:58

Peace. Peace, family and you know we love you for that peace and we out nyp later, brothers, peace, peace, peace.