Why Shouldn't We Call Ourselves Black: Reclaiming the Stolen Legacy PART 4

Have you ever wondered why certain cultural identifiers strip away your sovereignty while others empower it? In this fourth installment of our thought-provoking series, we dive deep into why the term "Black" fails to capture the rich heritage and legal standing that comes with embracing Moorish identity.

The conversation opens with a powerful examination of how nationality connects to essential principles including national self-consciousness, cultural heritage, sovereignty, and constitutional self-governance. We explore fascinating historical evidence of Moorish influence on global fashion trends, tracing how traditional Moorish saruel pants transformed into Spanish gregoscos in the 16th century, eventually influencing European fashion across continents and even connecting to modern styles like the iconic MC Hammer pants.

Our discussion takes an illuminating turn as we examine the historical power structures of the Ottoman Empire (properly called Osman) from 1235 to 1919 and its relationship to the Moroccan Empire. This rich historical context highlights how extensive Moorish influence has been systematically erased from mainstream education, leaving many disconnected from their true heritage.

The most compelling segment addresses the crucial distinction between fictional racial categories and legitimate nationality. We clarify that "Black" represents a constructed classification system developed in the 18th century that intentionally separates people from their birthrights, treaty protections, and sovereignty. By contrast, recognizing Moorish nationality reestablishes connection to a legitimate standing in international law.

The episode concludes with Shemalikai Bay's visionary proposal for restoring national Moorish political unity through community outreach, networking, and creating an interpolitical constitution that could reestablish diplomatic relations with European nations based on historical treaties.

Ready to reclaim your heritage and understand your place in the global community? Listen now, then share your thoughts on how recognizing your true nationality might transform your understanding of identity and sovereignty.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

what's going on? Everybody, it's ron brown, lmc, the people's fitness professional, aka soul brother number one reporting for duty. We got brother uh yasril. We got brother Abdullah Bay I can't see his name up there, but it's all good. Yeah, it's blocked. Yeah, man, I got some guy helping us out with these things. Man, he's like doing a lot, he's doing a lot, but let me find this here. We got that up there. All right, etymology vocabulary.

Speaker 2: 0:48

I'm not going to remind you to put my website up there. But yeah, for next. I just forgot.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Next time, next time, then yeah, next time, okay. So today we're back again with why Shouldn't we Call Ourselves Black? Reclaiming a Stolen Legacy, part 4. And you know, are you, brothers ready, how you doing this evening? All is well, brother.

Speaker 2: 1:11

Yeah, all is well, brother, All is well Excited for Part 4.

Speaker 1: 1:17

Right, so let's put this you ready for the slide. Yeah, all right, here we go.

Speaker 3: 1:26

All right, this is part four. While we shouldn't call ourselves black, we claim in the stolen legacy. Nationality is interrelated to the following principles National self-consciousness, national consciousness, national pride, national culture, national character, national coat of arms, national seal, national flag, self-governance, national sovereignty, constitutional self-governance, constitutional name, diplomatic protection, treaty protection, consular relations, self-determination, national name and national identity. Determination, national name and national identity.

Speaker 3: 2:09

So these people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural attire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors. These people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural attire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors. These people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural attire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors. The attire right Pants of moorish origin in spain.

Speaker 3: 2:49

The influence of moorish culture on spanish clothing traditions is evident in various garments, including certain styles of pants. One notable example is the saru saruel saru, a style of pants that originated in persia and was adopted in north africa. According to custom chemists, when the Moors arrived in Spain all under loose in the eighth century, they brought with them their clothing traditions, including garments like the sarol. These pants are characterized by their wide legs and low crotch tapering down towards the ankles towards the ankles. Another possible example is the grugoscos, a type of breeches or short baggy trousers for men that were popular in Spain during the 16th and 17th centuries. While their exact origin is debated, some sources suggest a possible military origin, with a style somewhat reminiscent of harem pants. Given the historical presence and influence of Moorish culture in Spain, it's plausible that elements of Moorish fashion, such as wider, comfortable pants, may have contributed to the evolution of styles like the gregoskos. This is a portrait of an Arab, horace Burnett, 1789, 1836. So these are the pants. So Spain introduced the style of short, baggy, ungathered. So Moore's introduced to Spain, to the Spanish Now.

Speaker 3: 4:16

Spain introduced a style of short baggy, ungathered breeches, called Spanish breeches, the group where ghost goes in Spanish to Germany, Spanish breeches, group Gregoskos in Spanish to Germany. These were popular in Spain during the 16th and 17th centuries and eventually evolved into other forms in Western Europe, including becoming more like harem pants in Germany. More detail Spanish breeches. These breeches were short and loose-fitting, often padded and roundish, reaching the mid-thighs or knees. Evolution in Germany. In Germany they evolved into a style that was more akin to heron pants, hanging down rather than being stuffed.

Speaker 3: 4:54

For time purposes I'm not going to read everything, but I'm going to show the connection. Knickerbocker, 1831, descendant of Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam, modern New York. The prename was borrowed from Washington Irving's friend Herman Knickerbocker and literally means toy marble maker From German knicker, schoolboys playing for marble, apparently an agent now from the imitative verb knicken to snap, chicken to snap. The origin of these Dutch pants can be traced back to the Spanish influence, who adopted the Moorish Surwal Haram style pants. You can see here an image of Don Juan de Austria in a Spanish court dress, 1572. Moorish cultural influence is evident In the attire of many nations. Examine and compare the style of pants in these pictures. Knee length breeches Were a sign of nobility and wealth During the late 1700s.

Speaker 1: 6:00

Now I want to ask you something about the pants that MC Hammer has on, or is that MC Hammer?

Speaker 3: 6:06

Now I want to ask you something about the pants that MC Hammer has on?

Speaker 1: 6:08

Or is that MC Hammer? Or is that another? Yeah, mc Hammer. So those pants go back to like Turkey, if I'm not mistaken. And one thing I don't know if that's another lecture, but Turkey and the Ottoman Empire and the Moorish influence within that.

Speaker 2: 6:30

Can y'all break that down a little bit? Well, yes, in my book Moors of Basie, part 1, I give extensive history of the Ottoman Empire and their power. The Ottoman is actually Osman, ottoman is German, it's O-S-M-A-N. Osman and that's a royal house which was established in the 12th century, about 1235. It's a house. So you have the Osman house and what forms a dynasty is the lift of the rulership of that house. So that so to succession power.

Speaker 2: 7:14

So from 1235 or so to 1919, which was a 1990, is the Treaty of Lassana, which is a partition, was the partition that broke up the Ottoman dynasty or empire so tremendous. You have that's tied to that the Barbarossa brothers, the Barbarossa brothers back in the 1500s and Charles I of Spain. So you have brothers back in the 1500s and Charles I of Spain. So you have that extensive power. So during that same time period you have the Moroccan Empire. So you have both two major empires, world powers, the Moroccan Empire and the Ottoman Dynasty Empire, and there's been extensive research powers the Markan Empire and the Ottoman Dynasty or Empire. And there's been extensive research done but it's not known to the general public. So those courses are usually electives and colleges. So I just wanted to give that background there. But I have more extensive background history of this in Moore's and Maystreet, part 1. But you can go to mooresandmaystreetorg to get the book.

Speaker 1: 8:31

Okay, okay, brother Yashro, you can continue.

Speaker 3: 8:35

Alright. So to the left, we have breaches as worn in the United States in the late 18th century Elijah Boardman, ralph Earl, 1789. Next picture we have breeches are still worn as livery for special occasions in several European courts. Here a coachman in the Netherlands wears them during Prince Je, prince Jezday 2013. Then we have MC Hammer, we have the Algiers, and down here to right, low, uh, the corner, the bottom corner, greek Christian Ottomans of Cyprus in the 19th century. Zoom in. They have the style Ottomans of Cyprus in the 19th century. Zoom in. They have the style Morse guards and jewels, crystals and stones.

Speaker 3: 9:45

To the left, this picture is actually supported by Bible verses. At the top it says make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it, as on a seal holy to the Lord. Fasten a blue cord to it to attach it to the turban. It is to be on the front of the turban Exodus 28, 36-37. The first row shall be carnelian, crystallite and beryl. The second row shall be turquoise, lapis lazuli and emerald. The third row shall be jacinth, agate and amethyst. The fourth row shall be topaz, onyx and jasper. That's Exodus 28, 17 through 21. You can see the top, the gold plate holy to the Lord. That's the turban, two onyx stones, 12 stones with names of 12 tribes of Israel, bells and pomegranates. The tunic, the breast piece, the sash, the blue robe Now real quickly.

Speaker 1: 11:02

someone in the chat says does not more designate black?

Speaker 2: 11:10

Right Now in part ones, two and three, we're going to, we can go, you're going to consult, look at parts one, two and three and we'll have and you'll see that we break down. In the Geneva Bible, 1566 Geneva Bible, you have Blackmore in the spell B, lowercase B-L-A-C-K-E space uppercase M-O-R-E. Geneva Bible, you have Blackmore spelled lowercase B-L-A-C-K space capital, m-o-o-r. So the answer is no. So Moore does not designate Black. Moore is our nationality, black is a fiction. There's never been Black people that ever walked the face. It's impossible. It's impossible for black people to exist. It doesn't black.

Speaker 2: 12:12

And also in parts one, two and three, in parts one we go into the fathers of the modern race paradigm called Francois Bonner with his 15, 16, 35 division Division of the World called the Nagus, and it's systematically 13 editions from 1713 to 1733. And there's Johann Friedrich Buhlbach with his Natural Variety in 1752. Natural variety in 1752. So they classified the human family using non-nationalities, non-peregrines, birthrights, names black, white, red, brown and yellow. So once again, moore doesn't designate black. Black is a fictional category where Moores have been placed in by France. Designate black Black is a fictional category where morals have been placed in by France.

Speaker 2: 13:08

They didn't start with the United States. So we don't start with the United States. So, negro, negro de Moros, negron de Moros in the Spanish records. So you see where they. So they where it was just adding adding Negro and black. So they where it was just adding adding Negro and Black. You know creating these compound words. For 300 years, from 1500 to the 1800s, black and more was used synonymously with Negro and Ethiopian. So once again, no, black more doesn't designate Black. Once again, black is a fiction and law that mores have been placed in. That spills out, keeps us, distills our birthright, makes us non-dissentable. It suppresses our national more sovereignty, our national more pride. The bird, the Sankofa bird, with all those principles that Ismail read, it separates us from those principles. So once again, no more doesn't designate black.

Speaker 1: 14:20

All right. This person says I'm him. Big gas man, black and white, doesn't exist until 1631. Status is not nationality, ok.

Speaker 2: 14:36

Well, let's clear that up. No, nationalities are statuses too. So let's know that status is standing. So we got to clear that up. We can't just let that go. More is a status. German is a status. French, chinese, bokanabe, senegalese is a status. I am German, all right. So what you're doing is that's your standing. You're expressing to the world your standing that you have a legal bond to Germany and therefore you are protected by the German sovereignty. That's a standing. S-t-a is the root word, means stand. So black, white, black if you're talking to black, that's a negative status. But nationalities are statuses, because nationalities will determine what sovereignty, what legal bond that you're to a nation state in which you're protected under Absolutely. I just wanted to clear that up Real quick, brother Abdullah.

Speaker 1: 15:51

what makes Black a negative status?

Speaker 2: 15:54

Alright because Black Israel go back to the Sankofa Burb. Go back to the Sankofa Burb so people can see a visual visual. They have to see a visual, alright. So now see, what makes black a negative status is that it removes you, doesn't tie to any of these principles. It removes a people out of these principles. It separates us from our, from these principles. It separates us from the human family, from the family nations, from treaty protections. It separates us from our, from our pre-existing moral sovereignty. It separates us from our pre-existing land right claims. It makes us non-descendable. It dehumanizes us, denationalizes us. That's why I say negative. You have positive law. For more clarification, you have positive law and you have negative law. So black is negative law. It's a negative status, and I'm saying because nationalities are statuses. But that's positive status, don't forget.

Speaker 3: 17:16

Black is an adjective, because nationalities are statuses. But that's positive status, don't?

Speaker 2: 17:21

forget black is an adjective and black is an adjective, description, not an identity, absolutely, and Negro is an adjective. Negro is an adjective, and so how can Negro be a noun when Negro is a Spanish word and Spanish is an adjective? So now it's used as a noun in English. No, it's part of speech and Spanish is an adjective.

Speaker 3: 17:48

So that triggers negative grammar. Negative grammar.

Speaker 2: 17:54

This is the noun, this is the noun by Slipper. Now it's a noun Alright Negro Zapato. This is the now, this is the now by slipper. Now it's a now. Alright Negro Zobato, negro Zobato. Alright Zobato, the now Negro, the adjective.

Speaker 1: 18:13

Now real quick, I want to go to the questions. This is a I like this one right here. It says I've heard you say other people, like Asians and Mexicans, were Moors. So who is not Moors?

Speaker 2: 18:37

Let's address Mexicans. In 1565, philip II issued a Spanish Bulla and placing under the international law application known as acquisition of nationality through subjugation. We were subjugated, we were forced into the Spanish legal system and placed into a new citizenship category, spanish. So Moors were placed in the citizen category of Spanish. So in the coat of arms of Central South, I got about 12 or 13 coat of arms of Central South America, countries of central south, and I got about 12 or 13 coat of arms of central south america countries. You see, the morris beds, a pyramid, and the morris beds I gotta get finding a fact. I gotta, I gotta reference, I gotta give them references, I gotta give them references. It's good. I don't want them to say I've never said Got to give them references, all right. So now you're talking Asians, if you look at, all right. So let's go. Let's talk Kamala Harris, let's talk Kamala Harris, kamala Harris.

Speaker 2: 19:52

The claim, the false claim. The false claim is Kamala Harris is not one of us. That's a false claim. Kamala Harris is not one of us. That's a false claim. Kamala Harris is one of us. But I know what they mean by that, because our people who are saying that, that Kamala Harris is not one of us. They're positioning that black is an identity, that Kamala Harris is not black. Well, neither are you, neither are our people. So they're using black in a constructive sense of culture. That Kamala Harris from Sindhu, india. So the food and the dress, but that's our culture. Kamala Harris is one of us. But once again, they're using Black as a culture. Black doesn't represent a culture. Kamala Harris is one of us.

Speaker 3: 20:55

Black is outside of the culture, absolutely so thank you of the culture, absolutely so.

Speaker 2: 20:59

Thank you for the question because it gives opportunity to clear these misconceptions up.

Speaker 1: 21:09

So the brother, saying the brother, we got African royalty. Saying you still didn't prove how Mexicans are Moors. What about Mexicans who have no? That's the one right there. What about Mexicans who have no African ancestry? So basically, moors from what I know denotes to people of darker hue, so that's kind of broad right.

Speaker 2: 21:37

Yeah, that's false, though. That's a false premise. That's a false premise though.

Speaker 1: 21:44

Okay, so that's one. And then another one is the Moors denotes to people of African ancestry.

Speaker 2: 21:55

That's a false premise. Moors denotes people of Moors ancestry. That's a false premise. No, moors denotes people of Moors ancestry. Moors denotes Moors are people of Moors ancestry, not of African ancestry. African is not an ancestry. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1: 22:11

I don't want to deal with the semantics of it, but what I'm saying is that but, Ron, we got to deal with the language, though we have to, Ron. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't want to over-talk you, but what I'm saying is that Moors historically come from Africa. Am I right or wrong Without this, it's like the region, the region of Africa. Right that area? No, no, no. So the east, no.

Speaker 2: 22:37

No, no. So I'm saying so, let's, Ron. We have to address semantics, Ron. That's you can't Ron. We Ron. Israel four months ago this is for the audience Israel, four months ago, Did an excellent presentation On the etymology of the word God. It did two parts on this platform. On this platform, Two parts when he broke down the linguistic methodology, Semantics, etymology. Your excellent presentation. We have to address the semantics. Semantics deals with how words acquire. It's the science of which, it's the study of how words acquire new meanings. Etymology is the history Origin of too many words. We have to do.

Speaker 2: 23:29

No, I understand that I'm saying this is for.

Speaker 1: 23:32

Hold on, hold on a second. This is what I'm saying To keep it in layman's terms, for people to really like understand what the questions that they're asking is Mexicans don't. What about Mexicans who don't have African ancestry? Now? Now we know what they're talking about. We know what they're, what they're asking. So my thing is, if they don't have African ancestry, are there more still?

Speaker 2: 24:01

Well, once again, ron, african is not an ancestry. We have to deal with this. Amanda. You continue this, ron. We cannot answer questions without addressing. You've got to understand that. These people, their audience, they've been, we've been, we've been given constructive meanings. We have to address that, ron, on this. That's why this ron, you created this platform for this. This is why we're here.

Speaker 1: 24:30

We have to yeah, okay, look, this is what I want to do, right? So what I want to deal with is okay, you have deeper and then you have more surface. I understand that you're well read in this subject and and I totally get it. I totally get it, but we have to, you know, meet people on their level, right as far as their study. So what I'm trying to figure out is, if Africa, africa we know where Africa is. It has 54 countries as of now, in modern days Right, we know where that is. We know that from what we know that the cradle of civilization comes from South Africa, right, tanzania to be exact. So we all know that humanity sprung up out of Africa and created all of these beautiful people. So what we're trying to figure out is, as far as Africa is concerned, if Mexicans don't have, if certain Mexicans don't have African ancestry, like within their DNA, right, if we would, if we would have them take a DNA test, and they don't have any African DNA, how does that make them Moors?

Speaker 1: 25:49

alright once again.

Speaker 2: 25:51

I'm like Ron, I hear what you're saying, but I'm not going to get away from the subject. I'm not Ron. I hear what you're saying. Brother, with all due, with all due respect, with all due respect, there is no. Their African ancestry is a misnomer. That's not an ancestry.

Speaker 3: 26:09

It's a continent People don't identify.

Speaker 2: 26:11

Right Doesn't denote an ancestry. I cannot Ron, I cannot. You want me to talk in construction. I cannot Ron, I cannot, I have to. You want me to talk in construction? I cannot. We're not talking construction Ron.

Speaker 1: 26:22

No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I hear what you're saying. So how about this? So we don't have to go with the whole continent? So let's say, if the Mexicans in whatever from Mexico, if they don't have DNA that comes from Senegal, Gambia, the Congo, etc. How are they still Moors?

Speaker 2: 26:45

All right, they have DNA that comes from here. We are native to this land. The book Uninspected Faces Uninspected Faces in Ancient America by Alexander von Woutenaar. He has over 150 photos. He had a photo collection of 50,000 photos of figurines, masks, statues, statuettes, vases with broad noses and thick lips, Vases with broad noses and thick lips.

Speaker 2: 27:23

So the native people, millions of the native people, live in the inner cities. They don't live on reservations. Those are the $5 Indians. The Europeans, Donald Trump-looking people, Donald Trump-looking people, paid $5. It's called the Doss Rule. In the late 1800s. This is what they was doing. They were reclassifying us. They were redistributing our land to Europeans. What they did was Senator Doss. He legislated the Des rule. But that was a plan. So what there was Hollywood is part of it. So they would put people like Donald Trump looking people you know on TV and they called them Indians. That was the plan to redistribute land to Donald Trump looking people. Go to look at Oklahoma, Oklahoma. The people, the casino owners, look like Donald Trump. That was part of the plan. I got it, Ron. We're here to do this. We're here to educate Israel and I will educate by any means necessary and that's peace. I and I Israel and I will educate by any means necessary.

Speaker 1: 28:38

Yeah, and that's and that's, and that's peace. You know that's peace. However, you know, we, we have a audience who all have their own perspective. I have my perspective and things of that nature. Everyone's point is valid. So I want to know, uh Van Van, uh Vaughn Vaughn dusty business, where y'all find this nigga? I don't understand. Hold on a second. I don't understand your commentary. Vaughn Vaughn Van Van. I don't get your point. We're trying to figure this out here. People have questions and I know why they're asking these questions, so I'm just trying to bring it home for the brother to fully elaborate and explain what he means. The hebrews and the moors want to make people them, but the same people are so anti. All right, that's something else. That's something else.

Speaker 3: 29:37

um, I'll say it'd be better if people kept the questions you know on topic, on what we're presenting you know I'm saying yeah yeah, we never really spoke. We didn't even speak on Mexico or anything like that, or the Mexicans per se. You know what I'm saying? We're going back into time, we're going back into history with this one.

Speaker 1: 29:54

Right. Well, I really wanted to address this question because this is an important question. Who are not Moors? So that's what I want to try to figure out.

Speaker 3: 30:02

So that's what I'm saying. We'll go back in history, we'll see which people were actually called Moors in the beginning. Like, okay, we'll see who was called Moors Because Mexicans, they have an ancestry is going to connect to the Moors because dealing with Spain, you know, with the Spanish, the Spanish, uh, vice, royal Spanish conquest. So it traces all of them back to Castile and Aragon.

Speaker 2: 30:25

The Italians, the Below Italy Castilians.

Speaker 1: 30:34

Absolutely, then that would make the whole world Moorish.

Speaker 2: 30:39

No, we can't. We have to go into details, though. We can't, we cannot do a leap like that.

Speaker 1: 30:48

We have to give. What I'm saying, brother Abdullah, is what you're saying I'm just talking about, but I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that, though, okay.

Speaker 2: 30:56

I'm not saying that. I'm saying, Ron, we have to have, we've got to give them receipts. We can't, Israel and I, we would not make a leap like that. Right, we've given receipts. So that's why we're referring to certain things, so we can references.

Speaker 3: 31:15

I'm not making a leap like that. We're using the evidence as the grounds to step on. So we're not jumping. We're stepping one step at a time, using the evidence. Yeah, one step at a time. People jumping? We're stepping one step at a time, using the evidence. Yeah, one step at a time. People can actually use it, you know, take the evidence, check it out themselves as far as any loose claims.

Speaker 1: 31:30

We're trying to stay away from that right, exactly because, from what I know, just like african royalty just said, from what I know, from more is science the prophet called Europeans, europeans.

Speaker 3: 31:43

So I don't know where we're going with this. That's a continent, though, right, so Europe has a couple of nations as well.

Speaker 1: 31:52

Regardless, regardless of that, the prophet calls so-called white people Europeans. I like this, I like to stick with that, like that's where the foundation is for me. And so he calls the Europeans Europeans. He doesn't call them Moors. He doesn't call them amalgamated Moors. He doesn't say anything like that.

Speaker 3: 32:13

You know Right. So what continent is Spain on?

Speaker 1: 32:18

No, I understand. I understand the continent. I understand Spain is in Europe. I know that.

Speaker 3: 32:25

Right. So we're talking about all on the loose. We're talking about Moore's rule at that time as well.

Speaker 1: 32:29

Okay.

Speaker 3: 32:30

You know, what. I'm saying Moore's rule. There was Moore's presence there, yeah, for sure. So when saying European before it was called Europe, Moore's presence was there.

Speaker 1: 32:41

For sure. However, moores are Moores and Europeans are Europeans. That there for sure. However, mores and mores and europeans are europeans.

Speaker 3: 32:45

That's my point nobody was identifying themselves as europeans. That's what I'm talking about, though nope, they weren't calling themselves europeans at the time. Noah joe lee might call them europeans in 1918, or something like that, but back then, at the time he's referring to, those people at that time period did not call themselves europe. Nobody in the world called them Europeans.

Speaker 1: 33:07

Okay, so, and this is understood right, this is something that I know for a fact. Now, okay, they didn't call, and at that time period, no one called themselves Moors either.

Speaker 3: 33:17

No, we called ourselves Moors. What?

Speaker 2: 33:19

time period. Yeah, yeah, yeah, speaking of no, no, let One time period, let's go. We got finding of facts. We have treaties, we have letters For the audience, that's a false claim. The treaties and the letters. You have historical records. You have historical records in Germany. Historical records in Germany, historical records in Spain, historical records in Italy and France, southern France. You know historical societies, uh, amateur records, war records, state records. Okay, I have references. No, please, please, please, please. I'm pointing Ron. I please Ron, please, please. I'm pointing Ron. I'm giving them finding of facts. I'm giving the audience finding of facts to show that Moore's the name Moore's, but prominent, it's not the 700s, 800s, 900s, 800s, 900s. They are documentary evidence war records, amity records, treaties, letters, correspondences of cultural authority.

Speaker 1: 34:33

What I'm saying is hold on one second. What I'm trying to figure out is whose Moors, who are the Moors and who are the Europeans. That's what I'm trying to figure out is who's Moors, who are the Moors and who are the Europeans. That's what we're trying to figure out, right here, but you threw out a claim.

Speaker 2: 34:52

But, vaughn, you threw out a false claim.

Speaker 1: 34:54

Let's squash that and let's deal with the issue at hand. But, Vaughn- hold on. Abdullah.

Speaker 2: 35:01

Vaughn, you can't throw a false claim out and don't give us the opportunity to clear it up.

Speaker 3: 35:05

Abdullah, hold on.

Speaker 1: 35:10

Hold on one second, brother. I don't want to. What I want to deal with is this. The question was asked Okay, if these people are Moors and these people are Moors who are not Moors, that's what we're trying to figure out. We're trying to figure out who are Moors and these people are Moors who are not Moors. That's what we're trying to figure out. We're trying to figure out who are Moors and who are not Moors. So, if we could, just if we could, can you answer that question?

Speaker 2: 35:31

Ron, I'm answering the question but, as I'm answering, you're throwing out false claims. Ron, you continue to cut me off. As I'm answering, you cut me off and you throw out Ron.

Speaker 1: 35:47

Who are Moors and who are not Moors.

Speaker 2: 35:50

Once again, ron. I'm going to make my point. Ron, I hear what you're saying. I'm going to make my point. I'm saying, as I'm answering the question, you cut me off and you throw out false claims. Then I have to clear that up. You have done this. You did it four or five times. As I'm answering, you cut me off. I don't want all the talking. You did it four or five times and you throw out a false claim. So when I got to clear up a false claim for the audience I'm listening, I'm listening.

Speaker 2: 36:21

So Israel made it clear that nobody was calling themselves Moors. You use as a reference Israel brother. Israel made a very clear point that no, when during the time of Moors rulership in Europe, nobody was calling themselves Europeans, they were identifying themselves by their nationalities. That's the point Isra'el was saying. Because you said, your foundation is Juwali, so what Isra'el did was take it further back, and that's what we're doing, and as we're doing that, you continue to cut us off and you throw out false claims. That's what's happening here.

Speaker 1: 37:12

What I don't understand is what is the? I don't even know what the false claim was, but what I'm trying to, what I'm trying to figure out right now, is okay. So here we go. This is what this brother said. All humans are moors. It's not a noun and a verb. We all. This is what this brother said. All humans are mores. It's not a noun and a verb. We all navigate a world.

Speaker 3: 37:27

See, this is when it's like it gets kind of like we got to stay on the topic of what we're actually presenting though, because we got an hour to present, you know, certain things and this is all like it's organized. You know what I'm saying? Like we had a certain methodology of presenting the information. So when certain methodology of presenting the information, so when someone brings a question that's off topic, it throws us, you know, goes to the time, it throws us off as well. But I was like it's yeah, like he was saying, like the people that were there, that were the pale people while the moors were there, they were calling themselves the visigoths. That's why I'm saying the year.

Speaker 3: 37:58

Those people that people keep referring to as europeans or the pale people or whatnot of the Germanic tribe, the Visigoths had a presence there. They entered the Iberian Peninsula during the fall of Rome. So we're going back all the way to when Rome entered 4 BC and things like that of that nature. We're going back into time. That's a different topic. Taking us off, you know, taking us that far.

Speaker 1: 38:26

We weren't really trying to go that Well when I'm talking to the audience, right when the audience ask a question, right when the audience ask a question, I'm asking the question for the audience, right, and I know where the audience are coming from. I'm asking the question for the audience, right, and I know where the audience are coming from. So I'm like, okay, so who are Moors? So you know, like I'm just trying to figure that out Are we all Moors? All human beings, All human beings are Moors. Now, the audience please.

Speaker 2: 39:02

Parts one, two and three. The answers are in parts one, two and three. Let's move on Israel. The answers to their questions are in parts one two. We will move on Parts one, two and three on this platform. Move on to the next slide, israel.

Speaker 3: 39:29

So these people are Impostors. I'm just going to get to it, so I'm going to go through these pictures real quick. These people are impostors Wearing the fayas which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. Alright, okay, real quick. So I'm going to get into the timeline. That's why we could.

Speaker 1: 39:46

We could do that. I just want to deal with this right. This is out of now. This is straight from moorish science. This is the prophet. The prophet said uh, what is his nationality? Moorish american? What is your nationality? Moorish american? Why are we moorish American? What is your nationality? Moorish American? Why are we Moorish Americans? Because we are descendants of Moroccans born in America. Morocco is in Africa, so that's where I'm going with it. That's what people are asking Are Mexicans without African blood? Are they Moors?

Speaker 2: 40:23

So can we continue with the presentation? Ron, we have a. We put together a very good presentation and we have not even got through what an eighth of it. Can we continue parts one to again? I'm going to continue again parts one, two and three. Take the time and go on this platform and listen to. I'm going to stand strong on this. Parts Parts one, two and three, israel, continue with the presentation.

Speaker 1: 40:50

Hold on a second. That's what we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 2: 40:55

Yes, or no. Parts one, two and three. Parts one, two and three Israel continue with the presentation.

Speaker 1: 41:03

Hold on hold. On hold on Brother Abdullah, real quick. I understand you want to finish the presentation and you want to go with the flow and how you want to do things. However, there's a question on the table. We just the people, want this to be answered, if it's a yes or if it's a no.

Speaker 2: 41:22

It's one, two and three. Go to the bottom, Brother, if it's a yes or if it's a no, it's one, two and three. I'm just Go to part, Brother we're not. We don't do the simple answer, we don't do the simple yes or no. Hold on.

Speaker 1: 41:34

Hold on, brother Hold on. He said. The brother said I watched part one, two and three. The answers are not there. I'm just asking you this. This is straight from Morris science. I said that a noble Jew Ali said his nationality and your nationality is Morris American. The reason why you're a Morris American? Because you're a descendant of Moroccan Morocco, born in America. Morocco is in Africa, so the question to you is if the person does not have the DNA of an African in them, can they still be Moors? Now, if they can still be Moors.

Speaker 2: 42:13

Farts one, two and three Farts one, two and three. Can we go continue with the?

Speaker 3: 42:17

presentation. If you say that everybody came from Africa, right, you say that everybody came from the continent of Africa right.

Speaker 1: 42:25

What I'm saying is. What I'm saying to you is, if your DNA doesn't read Africa inside your DNA, then there's a possibility that you may not be a Moor. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 42:43

What I'm saying is you said, if you're making a claim that you may not be a more, that's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you said, if you're making a claim that everybody started in Africa, right From the people that started in Africa, the whole world, you said Africa populated the whole world. That would mean everybody had the same genes. So that's a loose claim. So we're trying to be. We're trying to be more detailed.

Speaker 1: 43:00

We could go there. Right, we could. If that's where you want to go, then cool. Then everybody on the planet, they're all Moors. So white people so-called can claim Moorish. No, listen, brother.

Speaker 2: 43:18

We never said that. We never said, but we've been saying that though.

Speaker 3: 43:22

It's not what you are saying. I'm showing you what the loose claim was saying. I'm showing you what the loose claim was. So I'm showing you what the loose claim is.

Speaker 1: 43:27

But this is what I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 2: 43:29

I'm just asking a simple question, ron, ron, ron, ron, let him tell you what the loose claim is. Ron, let him talk. Ron, let him talk, please.

Speaker 3: 43:37

You know what I'm saying. I'm saying, if you make it, if you made the claim that everyone began in Africa, you said South Africa. Right, you said South Africa is where humanity began. If humanity began there and everybody in the world are humans, that means they all have the same genetics. They couldn't account for many other planets. You see what I'm saying? That's a loose claim. That's why he's saying that's a loose claim. We're trying to get into detail. So we're going to treaties, because in the treaties people identify themselves. They never identified themselves as African in no treaty. They never identified themselves as European, nor American, nor Australian nor Asian. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 44:17

Nor in our state.

Speaker 3: 44:19

So nobody's identifying as that. I would go back into time checking the records. You got to check the records. Noble Jalil said what he said. That, like we go back into time checking the records, you got to check the records. Noble Jalili said what he said. But we go back before him and check the records because we can't just start it with Noble Jalili this is a problem.

Speaker 1: 44:36

Dna don't say we all have the same genetics.

Speaker 3: 44:40

DNA is coming from? It's coming from a corporation. It's coming from a corporation, right, it's coming from a corporation that's under the jurisdiction of the United States. So we get to the, to the history of the United States. What's the purpose of the United States? To continue European colonization, subjugation.

Speaker 3: 44:59

So what you see, I'm saying like we're kind of going against ourselves with certain questions and thinking about certain ways. So what you see, I'm saying like we're kind of going against ourselves with certain questions and thinking about certain ways we're trying to give, we're trying to give people a proper way of thinking, because everybody's thoughts are going in circles, the chasing of tails and circles right now. So we're presenting information that hasn't been presented before, and when Abdul is addressing certain questions, it's never been addressed. These questions have never been addressed this way. But people keep coming up with the same questions's. They're not taking time to actually listen to the answer because they don't hear the answer they want to hear. So if they have an answer they want to hear, why don't even ask them? Ask them the question I'm still lost, brother.

Speaker 3: 45:34

I'm still lost because I'm sure you understand the question dna you're talking about dna right, because this is genetic, so you have to go. You have Ancestrycom right or African Ancestry right.

Speaker 1: 45:46

So I mean, that's going. We're talking about just.

Speaker 3: 45:50

DNA.

Speaker 1: 45:52

We're talking about DNA in general. We're not talking about corporations.

Speaker 1: 45:58

Hold on, brother. We're not talking about, we're not talking about corporations, we're talking about DNA in general. So, in DNA in general, it could explain to you, it could give you a story, it could explain. Okay, this person is from this region, this person is being that Noble. Jew Ali said that Moorish Americans are from Moroccan. We are Moorish Americans because we are descendants of Moroccans born in America, in Morocco, is in North Africa, is in Africa, right? So what makes us Moorish is because we have the DNA of those from Morocco and in that region. So if that's the case, right? What we're trying to figure out is if that's the case, would Mexicans have that same DNA? That's what we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 3: 46:54

I got you, but I'm trying to make it more clear, because if we all take the genetic test, right, where are we going to go to take the genetic test? And that's what that's why I've said the corporation African Ancestry or Ancestrycom. You're getting into corporations now. You see what I'm saying Wherever you go get a genetic test, there's going to be some corporation that has to do the testing, am I correct?

Speaker 1: 47:14

But that's neither here nor there, brother.

Speaker 3: 47:16

What I'm saying is that's the factor, brother, that matters.

Speaker 1: 47:24

What's talking about is reclaiming our life. Let me ask you this Are Mexicans, moors?

Speaker 3: 47:33

Brother, if you go to their constitution, it's going to say Mexicans. They're talking about Mexicans.

Speaker 1: 47:39

I've never heard a Mexican, except for one claim that they're Moors.

Speaker 2: 47:45

That's not evidence.

Speaker 1: 47:46

That's not evidence.

Speaker 2: 47:47

That's not evidence that's not.

Speaker 3: 47:48

Evidence that's not evidence that's not evidence that's not evidence, though.

Speaker 2: 47:54

That is not evidence, though I hear what you're saying, Ron. That is not evidence Because the person that you talk to 10, 20, 30, 40, 100, 200, they don't know the history, they don't know the inquisition against the Moors, they don't know that 1565, king Philip II issued a book classifying the Moors as Spanish. So because you talk to 10, 20, 30, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 Mexicans, that is not evidence, because you're using that. You're using that point that I never heard any Mexican say. You're using that point. You're using a point at the people who don't know the ancient history. So I'm not going to stand. So you're using that as a point of evidence. I'm refuting that. You're talking to an injured body of people who don't have the knowledge and research that we have.

Speaker 1: 48:52

Okay, okay, yeah, I mean y'all quiet, y'all can keep building.

Speaker 3: 49:17

I mean, for me this is not this is not, but here's the presentation is over.

Speaker 2: 49:29

The presentation is over. We're going to go to the end. We're going to go to the end and we have the floor. We got the floor, so we're going to go, because we can't start here. We can't. We have 10 minutes left. Everybody else is going to go through the presentation. We're going to go to the end. We're going to go to the end because we only have 10 minutes left. We were already ready. I'm saying that next time we come on, we need to go through the presentation, then questions. We should not do this process. We should not do this next time. From this day forth, we should not do this. We should give us an opportunity to go through the presentation, then ask questions. We should not do this.

Speaker 3: 50:18

Don't forget, this is a continuation. This is a series.

Speaker 1: 50:21

You don't want to go back to part one and part four.

Speaker 3: 50:23

That's why we said we spent time doing this presentation. This is a continuation, this is a series, so we don't want to go back to part one and part four.

Speaker 2: 50:27

You know what I'm saying? That's jumping around. That's why we said we spent time doing this presentation, working on this presentation. We haven't gotten through the presentation. This is not fair. We should not do this. All right.

Speaker 1: 50:36

Brother Abdullah, it's peace, brother. I mean, this happens. You know what I mean. It's life. You know, we just build yeah but I'm saying next time.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Remember, I keep saying next time. I'm saying next time, though. Say next time, I mean we good to now, next time, next time.

Speaker 1: 50:53

Yeah, we build, things happen, people ask questions and all of that, and then it flows. And then, and if we don't get everything done in one shot, we don't get everything done, but it's not flowing.

Speaker 2: 51:03

Though it's not flowing, they ask questions at the end. It's not flowing. So once again I refute that it's not flowing because we didn't get a chance to go through the presentation. Questions should be at the end, so I don't disagree with that. It didn't flow. It didn't flow. I'm not going to read with that. It didn't flow.

Speaker 1: 51:22

I'm going to refute what you just said. At the end of the day, this platform is for the people. The people come on here and they ask questions. It's my job to make sure the question is asked and the answer is still. No one's answered it yet. But it's all good though.

Speaker 3: 51:42

If the audience asks a question and we don't answer that question, does that mean our presentation just stops?

Speaker 3: 51:47

No you can keep going. So Abdullah said what the answer was one, two and three. Like the answer is about more. We broke down the mores we did the linguistics of it. We went absolutely biblical background of it. We broke that down. You was like you agreed to it, you copy, you know, I'm saying you got it then. So that's why I'm like if they're not going to take time to go back and see part one, two and three, they're just going to jump in part four, they're jumping in the middle. It's like like watching the fourth, you know fourth, episode of something you didn't watch the first one. You're going to have a lot of questions and as far as the Mexican question, that wasn't even anywhere in this presentation but they were connected if they started knowing the history of Mexico and how Spain was involved and how people didn't look the way they did Exactly.

Speaker 2: 52:37

It's the to the morals, it's Lord's rulership. That's what we had this whole presentation for. So I'm saying that if we had gotten the chance to do the presentation right, then the answer would be clear because we didn't get a chance to give the presentation. They don't know the history. So we're going through the history, that's what Israel was going to do today, but unfortunately I'm saying it did not flow and I'm not going to move on that, move off of that. It did not flow because we didn't get a chance to do the presentation that we put time in, we put hard work in and put in the presentation and we want to get people finding the facts, we want to get people information that they can research, we want to get references. So it did not flow and I'm going to stand on that.

Speaker 1: 53:27

Okay, we got seven minutes, All right.

Speaker 2: 53:41

We got seven minutes. Let's read this and we'll be done. Read this and we're done.

Speaker 1: 53:48

Wait, I didn't hear what you said.

Speaker 3: 53:49

Yeah, it was breaking up. We'll be done. All right, read this. This meeting will be done. All right, read this.

Speaker 3: 54:04

Shemalikai Bay's proposal for the call for the restoration of National Moorish political unity through political legitimacy, the will of the people, consent of the people, good government, large-scale community outreach and network.

Speaker 3: 54:16

Shemalikai Bay's public statement to the people. Greetings my proposal and plan for the restoration of national Moors political unity is rooted in the past structures of ancient governments. The proposal and plan for restoring national political unity among our people, the Moors, most of whom are classified as Black, negro, colored African American in the United States Census Bureau and the Commerce Department, is to facilitate political legitimacy, consent of the people, through large-scale community outreach and network. This large-scale outreach approach to unconscious mores and the network among the conscious mores having political bodies are vital to contribute to the formation and expression of the will of the people. Having a network vehicle that creates the space for the formation and expression of the will of the people is a fundamental principle to facilitating good government and the best and the basis to political legitimacy. No-transcript, an interpolitical constitution will be formed from our Moors political governing bodies by sending up representatives elected by the Moors Moroccan people or by supreme authority, who will exercise collectively the sovereign power and authority in a provisional capacity.

Speaker 2: 56:11

Alright, so we have three minutes left. You want to read another paragraph, Israel?

Speaker 3: 56:17

Yeah, I wasn't finished.

Speaker 3: 56:18

I actually went to the next In a professional capacity that the Moorish days days emirates, caliphs, caliphs, pashas and bashals indigenous Aboriginal people operated in unity with Moorish empire and the usurpation of our Moorish sovereignty due to conquest, subjugation and colonization by the Empire of Spain, empire of Portugal, kingdom of France, kingdom of England, slash Great Britain, kingdom of the Netherlands, dutch Republic, kingdom of Sweden, denmark, sardinia and Belgium.

Speaker 3: 57:03

When the sovereign power of an empire, kingdom or nation that ruled over a host of kingdoms or provinces in their territorial domiciles diminished, the people of the empire, kingdom or nation possessed the inherent and divine right to return to the international law of nations, principles of post-luminium reversion to sovereignty, recovery of lost sovereignty, self-determination and autonomy.

Speaker 3: 57:29

When Moorish emperors relinquish their sovereign power over the Moorish kingdoms and the territorial domiciles they once controlled, we, the Moors, have a right to govern among ourselves and form an interpolitical assembly with an interpolitical constitution that would act or take the place of the sovereign power that the Moroccan slash Moorish emperors once claimed. The interpolitical constitution would be the structured governmental body that regulates authority over all the Moorish political body politics slash states by the structured language and the interpolitical instrument. The interpolitical constitution will position us politically to re-establish diplomacy and constant relations with the Empire of Spain, empire of Portugal, kingdom of France, kingdom of England, slash Great Britain, kingdom of the Netherlands, dutch Republic, kingdom of Sweden, denmark, sardinia and Belgium, with which we negotiated treaties during the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s and 1800s. Wars, commercial, trade and mercantile, merchant, sea-firing, diplomatic and consular strategies, captivity and ransom strategies of the Empire of Spain, empire of Portugal, kingdom of France, kingdom of England, slash Great Britain, kingdom of the Netherlands, dutch Republic, kingdom of Sweden, denmark.

Speaker 1: 58:57

Sardinia and Belgium between the 1700s and the 1800s. All right, we're going to run out of time. Let's keep going on this. On the next one, this kind of sort of answers the question in a sense somewhat, but I think that question that we asked is valid, but for now on, because somebody else in the chat said it's best to ask questions after. The problem with that is we're going to have to close out 15 minutes before to ask questions. On that note, thank you for coming out, brother Yash Real. I really appreciate you. We'll build and I'll see you on the next one. Peace.