Wizards Warlocks, Spooks and Holy Ghost(Occult) Part 2 - Sheik Denham El

Step into the shadowy realm of ancient wisdom as Sheikh Denim El and Ron Brown peel back the veil on occult traditions that have shaped spiritual practices worldwide. From the mystical powers hidden within biblical psalms to the sacred geometries that underpin religious architecture, this conversation reveals how seemingly separate spiritual paths share common origins.

Sheikh Denim El breaks down how seemingly mundane religious texts contain powerful magical formulations. The discussion of Psalm 91 as protection and Psalm 109 as a potential weapon against enemies challenges our understanding of scripture while illuminating how ancient magical practices infiltrated mainstream religions. "All of those scriptures have ties back into ways to deal with magic, because they're coming from sources of magic," Sheikh Denim explains, tracing these connections to Mesopotamia, Chaldea, and ancient Kemet.

The exploration of soul offers profound insights into human existence. Sheikh Denim describes the soul not as the physical body but as the expression manifesting through it: "All this me jumping around, laughing and joking, that's soul. But I'm using a body so you can see the soul expressions." This perspective reshapes our understanding of consciousness while connecting to ancient wisdom traditions across cultures.

Perhaps most fascinating is the revelation about plant consciousness and communication networks. "Plants holler. If you pluck a plant, it screams," Sheikh Denim shares, explaining how plants recognize those who harm them and communicate through underground mycelium networks. This perspective bridges indigenous knowledge with emerging scientific understandings about plant intelligence and interconnectedness.

The episode culminates with an examination of mystical systems including Sufism and Kabbalah, tracing their influences on Western esoteric traditions while revealing their origins in much older spiritual technologies. Whether you're a spiritual seeker, student of comparative religion, or simply curious about hidden knowledge, this conversation opens doorways to understanding the occult foundations that continue to shape our world today.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Oh, what's going on. Everybody is Ron Brown, lmt in the building. So brother number one, so brother, so brother number three. When shake denim is in the ill is in the building. I call myself. So brother number three, three because he called me out on it. He said James Brown is soul brother number one, he's soul brother number two. Now I'm soul brother number three and I always pay my respects to those who came before me, which is James Brown and also brother Shake Denim L is older than me, sheikh Denim El is older than me and, I would say at this point, wiser than me, because he has more years on me and also maybe experience too.

Speaker 1: 0:51

Brother went into the military, brother done, did this that Went to Africa, came back. Man, he's done a lot. You know what I'm saying, so you know. First of all, I hope to make it to his age and have that much experience, knowledge, wisdom and understanding. So you know always, you know, you know, pay my respects to those who deserve the respect. So also I wanted to say man, thank you for helping me build this platform, because it's no, it's no secret. Everyone who comes on to this platform help is helping me build this platform, because it's no, it's no secret. Everyone who comes onto this platform help is helping me build this platform.

Speaker 1: 1:28

This platform was an idea I had almost 10 years ago. I was going to do this platform in the law school of mecca. I went to a law b about this and his nephew, doug, after that, went to UMA law about it. It was approved in the law school by the committee. However, I decided I'm not going to do it in a law school because I knew I wanted to have mores on this platform and I'm not going to have mores with their feathers on going into the law school and doing that like that, because we don't bring other teachings in a law house, just like I wouldn't bring a law's teachings in to Noble Drew Ali's house. So, you know, out of respect. So here I am doing this platform New Yorkers Perspective NYP Talk Show online and also in person, and we have a bunch of different guests, different perspectives. Shake Denim Ill is now a regular. I really appreciate it, you know.

Speaker 1: 2:31

And we're going to go into Wizards, warlocks, spooks and Holy Ghosts Occult Part 2. So now we want to go into the deeper history, into the occult. What I've been researching and looking at is, uh, different parts of the world and their take on occult science, like, for instance, india, hinduism, they have a deeper occult science. Also thailand I had no idea Thailand has a deeper occult science. But guess what? Through the martial arts to see. When you see all these symbolisms, symbols, symbols and characters and martial arts, like in Thailand, they have, like this this I don't, I don't want to call it a dragon, it's like a warrior, it looks like an african mask and it's look, it looks like devious, you don't mean like evil. Yeah, yeah, that's what you're talking about you know, I'm saying so.

Speaker 1: 3:42

So they have these different characters in in martial arts and I always, always thought, like what is that? What's going on with that? What's the science with that? And I'm finding out that in all of these cultures all over the world, they all deal with some kind of occult science all of them, especially, like you said, especially when you're talking combat, especially Southeast Asia, cambodia, thailand, malaysia, indonesia.

Speaker 2: 4:10

They all got occult systems intertwined in the combat, all of them. And then when you go deeper, when you think?

Speaker 2: 4:15

about places like Mesopotamia, chaldea, you know ancient Kemet, you know what I'm saying. Places like that where you're coming from, because when you're talking about occult, youaldea, you know ancient Kemet, you know what I'm saying. Places like that where you're dealing with, where you're coming from, because when you're talking about a cult, you're talking about things like astrology, also numerology. You know those basic things. But there's also sacred geometry, cosmology. All of that stuff has its origin in much ancient times but you can see it transported over into the Abrahamic faiths. You can see it, for instance, sacred geometry right, the building of squares and circles and sacred geometry. But if you look at Christian churches today, you see sacred geometry in the mirrors, in their in the mirrors or the glass joints of the churches. You see the different sacred geometries and you know sometimes you even see planetary signs assembled. But if you're not a learned person you might not know what you're even looking at Right, because there's an integration between the pagan what I call the pagan sciences and the Abrahamic religions. They borrow from them. So the occult, certain sciences of the occult, is in the Abrahamic religions as well. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 5:24

Influences, astrology, the celestial sciences of Babylonia, chaldea, mesopotamia, egypt, all of that stuff is transported later on into other things. Then you got to think about the science of Africa, west Africa you know what I'm saying central, central Africa, south Africa, but mainly what we know and understand is coming out of West Africa, what we call today, like what we call Vodoum and in Santaria, which, that whole science, that West African science, or that spirituality that influence pretty much the Western world, the Caribbean, the Caribbean and the Western world, like in a sense of, you know, transmitting certain traditions, and you can find in most cultures on this side of the world. You can find remnants of it, like, for instance, like the Bible, like the Bible and the way the Bible is used in Hulu or the way it's used in Santaria or the way it's used in other. You know spiritual systems, but the power of it is prior to the Bible. You understand what I mean the Psalms when we study the science of the Psalms, we know that the Psalms actually has a root in ancient Kemet, coming from Ammon-Eah Wrote Psalms, wrote the book of Psalms and so on. So that's a possibility that the book of Psalms wasn't written by King David, but it was written by a much, much earlier source, which is why the Psalms are looked at as sorcery.

Speaker 2: 7:03

The Psalms. I did a whole demonstration on Psalmic sorcery, how the Psalms are used as sorcery. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 7:15

Can you give me an example of that?

Speaker 2: 7:17

Yeah, psalms 91. Protection of certain things. You use the Psalms for certain types of rituals, some for protection, some for abundance, some for prosperity, some for beating a court case, some for beating jail, and you will use it. Psalms 91. 91. Read it. Read the first opening chapter of Psalms 91. I know you're looking it up.

Speaker 1: 7:42

Yeah, it says whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. Keep going Hold on. This thing is blocking. Oh yeah, okay. So whoever dwells within the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord. He is my refuge in my fortress, my God, and whom I and whom I trust. Surely he will save you from the foul fowler fowler's snare, from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge. His faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not. You, okay, you will not fear, okay, okay. I see what that is.

Speaker 2: 8:34

That's like an affirmation yeah, it's a protect, it's a, it's a spell of, it's a protection song. Now go go to Psalms 106.

Speaker 1: 8:44

Psalms 106. Psalms 106. Praise the Lord. Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good.

Speaker 2: 9:00

I'm sorry, brother, I'm sorry. Psalms 109.

Speaker 1: 9:03

Psalms 109. 109. Psalms 109. 109. Psalms 109. Okay, hold on. Psalms 109. My God, whom I praise, do not remain silent, for people are wicked and deceitful, have opened their mouths against me. They have spoken against me with lying tongues.

Speaker 2: 9:41

Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep reading, keep reading.

Speaker 1: 9:44

With words of hatred. They surrounded me. They surround me. They attack me without cause and return for my friendship. They accuse me, but I am a man of prayer. They repay me evil for good and hatred for my friendship. Appoint someone evil to oppose my enemy. Let the accuser stand at its right hand when he is tried. Let him be found guilty and may his prayers condemn him. Condemn him, keep going. May his days be few. May another take his place of leadership. May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.

Speaker 2: 10:31

Keep going.

Speaker 1: 10:33

May his children be wandering beggars. May they be driven from their home, their ruined homes. May a creditor seize all he has. May strangers plunder the fruits of his labor. May no one extend kindness to him or take pity on his fatherless children. May his descendants be cut off, their names blotted out of the next generation.

Speaker 2: 10:59

God damn now now, now under under the moon, at a certain time, in a certain condition, burning a certain candle, a certain color, and praying that prayer with that person's face in your mind, or in that psalm, right in that prayer, prayer on that page. After you pray, you shut the book or you take that psalm and you pray it and you take that picture and you do some things with it, maybe wrap a black string around it, maybe Do some other things, put it in a jar, some other things with it and go bury it somewhere. Do you see what that psalm is saying? That?

Speaker 1: 11:48

psalm is kind of hard.

Speaker 2: 11:50

Bro, it's hard, but your enemies is hard. Somebody is trying to kill you, though.

Speaker 1: 11:56

Right.

Speaker 2: 11:58

So these songs have power. That's what they're for. Most people don't understand what the psalms really are, what they're for. Most people don't understand what the Psalms really are. They're used. They're from a much older source than the Bible. So that's just one aspect of how the Abrahamic faiths had got certain things from earlier, earlier sources. That's magic.

Speaker 2: 12:26

This is why I tell people Jesus was a mystic. Y'all get mad at me, but Jesus was a mystic. All the prophets was mystics. You know what I'm saying. Religion turned them into whatever, but these was mystics. Man, these cats was dealing with elements. They was dealing with certain things. Man, they were initiates. Okay, you know, know, I'm saying so like when we, when we, when we thinking about the occult, it's just simply knowledge that we don't know nothing about man, all the celestial sciences I mean, bro, we got so much ritual magic. What about ritual magic, symbolism, ritual magic and symbolism? Old canaanite magic, man, you know, I'm saying the old, the canaanite magic, egyptian, mesopotamian magic, which transferred later on into the west through the or ordo templo, templi, orientis and the golden dawn and alistair crowley and all these types of things they borrowed from these ancient societies, man.

Speaker 1: 13:26

You know what I'm saying. Speaking of Aleister Crowley, he came out around the time like a lot of the, the let's say he came around like what the let me see 30s, 40s, 30s, 40s and 50s, right.

Speaker 2: 13:46

So, yeah, yeah, he was Ron Hubbard. He was friends with Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, and he's also called a cat named Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons did an experiment to bring the devil into the world in California. He did an experiment and he cracked the portal and something happened. But we don't know where Jack Parsons is in these days. But we don't know where jack parsons is in these days.

Speaker 1: 14:06

Okay, now, what I'm thinking is is around like the 1930s, like a lot of brothers at that time, like, like, there was like um, I would say like an information renaissance, if you want to say, yeah, right, right. So like you had, uh, you had uh, elijah muhammad around. So like you had, you had Elijah Muhammad around that time. You had WD Farad. Around that time you had Alistair Crawley, you had who else? Who else was it back then?

Speaker 2: 14:34

That sweet daddy Grace.

Speaker 1: 14:35

Father Devon, you had a bunch of daddy Grace, Father Devon, Deuce Ali, Was it yeah?

Speaker 2: 14:40

Deuce Ali was around. Yeah, who else? Yeah, ducey Ali was around.

Speaker 1: 14:41

Yeah, who else I still?

Speaker 2: 14:43

know Beverly Randolph was around earlier, but I think he got knocked off a little right at the turn of the 20th century into it as well.

Speaker 1: 14:52

So that whole era it seemed like it ushered in this paradigm that we're in right now.

Speaker 2: 14:59

Yeah, I would agree, I would agree.

Speaker 1: 15:03

So where did that paradigm come from? I mean, where did that energy come from? Is what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 2: 15:08

It just came from where I just told you. It came from ancient sources, but those Europeans had access to information that we didn't. They were able to travel. They could do things that we didn't have access to Excavations. They can go places and do things that we just didn't have access to excavations. They can go places and do things that we just didn't have access to. Dr John Henry Clark told you himself, when I was going to school, I couldn't do what the European schools was doing. Most of my scholarship came from radical European scholars.

Speaker 2: 15:36

I give honors to Albert Church Ward, gerald Massey, alvin Boyd Coon, because these were the radical European scholars that told the truth and I have their stuff. You know what I'm saying. I have their things. Some of those brothers, matter of fact, right here. Oh, I have that book. Yeah, albert Churchward, look what it says, right. Book, yeah, albert Churchward, look what it says Right here. Albert Churchward, right there. Guess what it says. Introduction by John Henry Clark. You see what I'm saying. This is one of the scholars that Clark learned from, and this cat was no joke. Albert Churchwood was a 33rd degree mason and he told the truth and he got in trouble for it. And the same with the brother, george GM James, who wrote Stolen Legacy. They murdered him in 19. He got murdered. They killed him because of what he revealed in that book. Yeah, he revealed the Egyptian mystery system. He revealed what's inside the Masonic Lodge In that book.

Speaker 1: 16:56

Yeah, Okay, so I wanted to take it back. To give it more ground, more foundation, more context. I want to take it back. Okay, so we're dealing with the occult teachings, mysticism, et cetera. Right, so what is the difference between Santeros, shamans? You know all of these different groups, all these different titles, Culture.

Speaker 2: 17:27

Culture is the difference, language and culture. A Santero is no different to me than a Shani or a Babalao or a Ogum or a Hogum. You know what I'm saying. Like every culture has its own what they call medicine. Every culture, I'm saying like, every culture has its own what they call medicine. Every culture has and every culture has their own medicine. And every indigenous culture has an initiation system to become a shaman or to become a priest.

Speaker 2: 17:52

It's not. It's not something you just wake up and you're a priest. You go through this thing. You go, you go through things To get into that and it's a handed down thing. It's mouth to ear, it's oral and you learn ritual. You learn things from childhood, you're trained into these positions. You understand what I'm saying. There's a family there's usually a family who are a line of priests or priestesses For generations. See what I'm saying? And it's the same way. A santero you mean? They do ritual, they use saints, condomble, palo, they all use saints, but the expressions and the different methodologies come from the cultural aspect. Like palo, they do it with a lot of Congolese or Congo or Sub-Saharan African signs, while Santero and Babalows and all that they're dealing with West Africa, the Yoruba. You know what I'm saying. Or Benin Dahomey, you know what I mean, things of that nature. So it's different. And then you got systems like in the Aztecs or the Incas and you know the shamans in those systems that use the plants, that use different plants for religious and spiritual purposes. I use peyote, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 19:13

When I was in South Africa I ran an ibogaine clinic. I ran an ibogaine clinic and ibogaine is a natural herb that comes from Cameroon. It's actually called the iboga I-B-O-G-A iboga plant. I had an ibogaine clinic in South Africa where we use the iboga plant to break heroin addiction.

Speaker 2: 19:47

After an Ibogaine treatment, in 24 hours your addictions is gone. The withdrawals is gone. Peace, the withdrawals is gone, everything. You know what I'm saying. But the thing is see, with Ibogaine there's an eight-hour lapse because you can't walk around too much, because you're under. You're under in a hallucination state. Now the thing with Ibogaine is when you're hallucinating, you can only hallucinate with your eyes shut. If you open your eyes, it's just regular. But when you shut your eyes you begin to hallucinate. Your eyelids become your screen, the eyelids. Inside of them, things come across. Your eyelids Pictures your childhood, where your first trauma started, comes across. Yeah, so things get solved. Ibogaine works on five parts of your brain at one time, very similar to a shroom, how peyote works and ayusca works on the brain. See, these things are going to be used for mental health. I've been saying this over 20 years. Eventually, they're going to use these things for mental health.

Speaker 1: 20:49

But what's going?

Speaker 2: 20:50

to happen is the pharmaceutical companies. They don't want that to happen, so they're going to start killing people and trying to destroy the shrooms. But you can't destroy the shrooms because the shrooms are divine Shrooms. They have their own network. Like shrooms talk, there's a whole underground network going on. Wherever shrooms and trees are, there's a whole underground network, a mycelium network. These things are sentient beings.

Speaker 1: 21:20

Can you say that one more time, brother? They're sentient beings. Can you say that one more time, brother?

Speaker 2: 21:23

They're sentient beings, the mushrooms, the trees. They have a whole mycelium communication underground. They talk to each other brother. Plants can talk. Plants can harm. Plants will tell you when a dickhead is coming around, plants scream. Plants will tell you. When a dickhead is coming around, plants scream. Plants holler. If you pluck a plant, it screams. A plant is alive, it's a living being, don't you know? George Washington Carver Said that everything I learned From the plant was because they told me how to use them. I made 250 damn inventions from a peanut Because they told me how to use them. I made 250 damn inventions from a peanut because they told me how to use it.

Speaker 1: 22:03

I think that's interesting, King Mathel, our peace guard, because I was actually doing the knowledge to trees and how you could talk to a tree and you could say something to a tree and a tree actually responds and moves.

Speaker 2: 22:26

Our ancestors knew these things, brother. That's why they would sleep in trees, or sleep on a tree or near the tree.

Speaker 1: 22:32

And shouts out to B Queen B, You're watching right now, Queen B, Queen B's father deals with botany and all of that growing in the garden and all of that. The way he treats plant life is like a baby almost.

Speaker 2: 22:50

They're alive, brother. Yeah, they're alive and they talk. They've done studies. They showed a study where a man came up and literally cut a leaf off the plant. Check this out. He came back again to the same plant and they had the plant hooked up to this stuff. The plant was screaming bro, like the plant was like this motherfucker coming again. He just cut my shit Pretty. Like the plant could identify the person who just harmed him. When he came back, the plant could identify the person who just harmed him. When he came back, the plant was like ah, not him. The plant could identify him. See, everything has spirit. Even in the sciences of hoodoo and santaria, you have certain people who will tell you yo, you got a tree in your backyard, you got a big tree in your backyard, man, that tree is dangerous, you got to cut it down, you got to remove it, because trees contain spirit. Things can live in them. They already have their own spirit. Everything has a soul. Man, if it's alive, it has soul.

Speaker 1: 23:58

All right, I want to talk about soul before we go deeper into the occult. I asked different people what the soul was. They explained it, but they like we need, like simple mathematics like this is the soul right here, the physical body?

Speaker 2: 24:18

That's the soul. No, the expression that I'm doing Through my physical body Is the soul, the expression that I use, the way I express, the way I use this vehicle to express my personality, and all that, that's soul. Not the body, but what I'm using To use what I'm doing. All this Me jumping around, laughing and joking, that's soul. But I'm using a. All this me jumping around, laughing and joking, that's soul. But I'm using a body so you can see the soul expressions.

Speaker 2: 24:45

If I didn't have a body, you couldn't see soul. You can't see it. You can't see the physical soul because it's unseen. But you can see the brain, where it is housed, the brain. But the soul is housed where the brain. The soul is the spiritual counterpart To the brain. It's housed there.

Speaker 2: 25:11

Whenever you see somebody, if you ever see somebody leave a body, you don't see them leave through here. The spirit, you see it leave through their head. So boom Right through the head, shoot right out. You don't see them leave through here. You see them leave through their heads. So boom right through the head, shoot right out. You never see it come through the heart. It always comes right out of here, shoot right out.

Speaker 2: 25:34

So what you're seeing is the expressions of the soul. The way I reason, the way I'm demonstrating, the way I'm talking to you is soul. The expressions of the physical form is the manifestations of the soul. The way I reason, the way I'm demonstrating, the way I'm talking to you is soul. The expressions of the physical form is the manifestations of my soul at work, my understanding, my reasoning, my kata. I'm physically doing it, but what's pushing the physical? What am I thinking when I'm doing a kata? What's on my mind when I'm doing those physical things? Because even though I'm just throwing a punch, but when I throw my punch and do certain other things with it and my face changes, you're seeing the expression of the soul At work. That's what's going on.

Speaker 1: 26:17

Would it not be like just your psychology?

Speaker 2: 26:20

Yes, bro. What does psyche mean? Okay, right, it's a Greek word for soul. So when they say the study of psychology is the study of the brain, no, it's the study of the soul. See, the European understands the application of psychology, why you go to college and learn theoretical psychology and the theories of psychologists, and all that, the theory, somebody's learning the application of psychology, how to actually utilize it. See, psychology is a weapon. See, chuck D told you a long time ago when he asked the question who stole the soul? They made a song publicly. They made a song called who Stole the Soul? You see what I'm saying. So the soul can be easily manipulated. Easily, because the soul is already. The soul is a conscious frequency and it can be manipulated if the person isn't aware of their own soul Possession, addiction, so on and so forth. I mean, demons are always around us, but we choose our demons. Brother, the demons just don't jump on you. You choose to allow them and let them in. You invite them in.

Speaker 1: 27:35

All right, now explain demon from how you see it.

Speaker 2: 27:39

Demon is your own. Lower thoughts create your own demons. You make them your own, your condition or conditions so would you?

Speaker 1: 27:49

so would you say your own lower thought will be on the same frequency of other lower thoughts and y'all share that same frequency, and it's just a mass of lower thoughts yep, yeah, yep, yep, just a mass cloud of thought.

Speaker 2: 28:08

Yeah, you have to be very careful, and I say it all the time yo guard your mind, mind your mind, your mind, before somebody else minds your mind, mind your mind, be, be, be very in tune with your mind. And when I touch this, I'm not necessarily saying that the mind is here, because it's not. This is your brain. But we associate mind and brain. Sometimes you know the mind, the mind and the brain. They're two separate things. Because you can't find mind, you can't point to mind anywhere on the body. I can't point to it. It ain't here. Mine ain't over here, mine is here. It's all of this, you're in mine.

Speaker 2: 28:49

Somebody said that the universe is mental, it's all mental. Man is mental and mental, tying back to spirit, tying back to breath, tying back to air, tying back to consciousness, tying back to an unseen reality. So the authentic man is an unseen reality, but he's seen and heard, but he can't be seen in his true form. Hmm, somebody say that In religion, ain't that what they say about Allah? He's seen and heard Everywhere, but he can't be seen because he's unlike his creation, and blah, blah, blah. Well, so are you. You're unseen too, you're the unseen reality, but seen and heard all over, because you have a vehicle to express that unseen reality through.

Speaker 1: 29:47

Indeed. So let's take it back to um, your introduction. We already spoke about your introduction. Did we speak about your introduction to a cult into? Yeah, we spoke about that. So right now, as far as a cult is concerned, what would you say would be the more scientific type of a cultism, would you say? Would you say Sufism? Does Sufism have an occult background?

Speaker 2: 30:20

or yeah, of course it does. Of course it does. Prophet Muhammad and Ali were mystics. You know what I'm saying. So Sufis have lodges, brother, just like Masons have lodges the Masonic Lodge and the Sufi Lodge. See, sufism is the secret to Western Freemasonry. Sufism is the jewel of a lot of Western societies. Secret societies came out of. Sufism is the jewel Of a lot of western societies. Secret societies Came out of Sufism Because of the crusades in the time in the holy lands, the night templars. They ran into the Sufis. You know what I'm saying. That's why they got the term Baphomet, the science of Baphomet, which was actually a code word for Mohammed M-A-H-O-M-E-T. In that time, Baphomet was a code word for Muhammad M-A-H-O-M-E -T. In that time, baphomet was a code word for Muhammad, but that's still in the sign.

Speaker 1: 31:12

This is why I'm saying remember I was saying in the 1930s there was some information renaissance Baphomet and Muhammad. If you think about what you just said, think about it Al-Sakrali Baphomet, and if you think about it Al-Sakrali Baphomet, and if you think about Muhammad, we're talking about WD Farad and Al-Elisha Muhammad, right?

Speaker 2: 31:35

Yep, yep. And in Sufism, a lot of the science of Sufism deals with what we call zikr Fasting and zikr. Zikr is where you're repeating a word or phrase La ilaha illallah, la ilaha illallah, la ilaha illallah. You know what I'm saying? That's what zikr is, and there's a lot of different things to zikr. And the power of zikr is in the amount of repetition, repetitions, pardon me, that you use in your zikr. Peace, brother, rakim, peace. The amount of repetitions that you use in your zikr is what empowers the individual and the zikr. So if you do A thousand laws, you won't go to jail, you'll be free or something. So it's just like the psalms. It's like psalms, it's like Psalms, using the Psalms. The Koran is the same thing. There's certain chapters of the Koran that you can use for black magic, against black magic and all that type of stuff. So all of those scriptures, all of the scriptures, have ties back into ways to deal with magic, because they're coming from sources of magic. But see people, oh, brother, you're talking about satanic stuff, magic. Who said it was satanic? Some European told you that and you brought it to the reality of it being satanic. And it's okay because that's the reality you live in, but he's using your satanic science against you and he's benefiting. You know what I'm saying. So in Sufism there's a lot of things. They have a thing called Bayah.

Speaker 2: 33:08

In Sufism they believe that you need a guide, which you do. You know, if you're new into this Deen Sufism, you do need a Guide To guide you, to give you certain Understanding To take. It's like karate. It's like karate Once you get to a certain point, you don't need that guy, no more. But you will still consult your master, even though you're at a point where you don't Need him, but you will still consult him. With the Sheikh In the Morid, there's a robot that's built and that's built from. It's a heart to heart connection, right? So the Sheikh is so in tune with his students that he can call them from here Telepathically, right, and they'll answer this is, yeah, this is all spiritual science. But, bro, we do the same thing. You think about somebody and then your cell phone rings. It's the person on the phone.

Speaker 1: 34:00

Well, let's talk about what happened today. First off, I don't know how you got that blue on. I don't know if you wore it, because the show is like Yankees colors blue.

Speaker 2: 34:09

I don't like the Yankees, bro, you don't like the.

Speaker 1: 34:13

You know I love the Yankees, even though I don't watch baseball, Anything that has to do with the Bronx or Harlem. I'm rocking with. Even Jim Jones. Shouts out to Jim Jones. I can't go against home team man. Hey man, I ain't mad at you bro, I ain't mad at you, but yo, so you just threw that blue on. I kind of just not kind of, this blue wasn't playing, I just threw it on. Actually, yeah, bro.

Speaker 2: 34:40

Bro, we didn't play nothing man, it's Monica Tech, it just is what it is B. Yeah, yeah, playing nothing man, it's Monica Tech, it just is what it is B, it just is what it is. I got up because I was resting. I looked at the clock I was like oh man, it's almost 7 o'clock. I got up because it's hot. I ain't got an air conditioner and I threw my shirt on. Yeah, here we are.

Speaker 1: 34:59

Oh yeah, this hat looks good, let me put that on, yeah exactly me put that on right. Yeah, exactly strong point, strong point, right. So, uh, you know, telepathically, like you just said, telepathically yeah, man, telepathy is real, man, it's all real.

Speaker 2: 35:12

We do it all the time. We just don't think, we just don't consciously think about it, and which I and with our children, it's extremely strong. If you got kids, y'all know what I mean. You'll be sitting in the house and your child face will pop in your mind and you call them on the phone and they'll be like Dad, how you? I was just thinking about you, dad. How did you know? I was just going to call you? How did you know to call me? I was just about to call you, dad. I'm like I know They'll be like how you know? Because, because you called me, now I'm picking up the phone to talk to you. You already called me, so I'm you know, I'm letting you know that I got your call.

Speaker 1: 35:52

Indeed. So what would you say? As far as the occult, what would be more logical for someone like a 5%, coming from a 5% of background, as dealing with logic and mathematics and you know being right and exact? And if you can't show and prove you can't show and prove it then there's no value.

Speaker 2: 36:16

Numbers, Anything dealing with sacred geometry and numbers, Because numbers you can't go wrong with mathematics. Mathematics is the only science that's right and exact. It's 100% right and exact. It can check itself, it can correct itself All that. You know what I'm saying. So if you understand the science of numbers and using those numbers and then you integrate that with horrific science which is Arabic numerology in the letters in the number system, you know what I'm saying. In the Hebrew letters in the number system, you know what I'm saying. And the Hebrew letters in the number system.

Speaker 1: 36:48

you wanted something, okay. So what I mean is like is there like a specific practice? I just gave you one.

Speaker 2: 36:57

You said Huretic, huretic, h-u-r-e-t-i-c-h, which is the science, which is the study of the Arabic letters and the numerology that's attached to each letter, and the same with the Hebrew. And then you're dealing with regular numerology, the regular science of numbers. You know what I'm saying. And then you may even want to link and study some Gematria. Yeah, link and study some gematria. Yeah, yeah, h-u-r-u-f. Did you look that up? Hold on h-u-r-u-f-i-c. Yeah, I see.

Speaker 1: 37:43

Yeah, a bunch of stuff is coming up.

Speaker 2: 37:47

Here it is.

Speaker 1: 37:50

Yeah, here it is. It says uh, horrificism, horrificism, it's a Sufi movement based on mysticism, yep.

Speaker 2: 38:02

Keep going, let me see, tell them to ask, say like have them explain it. It's going to. It's going to be dealing with the abjad. It's going to have them explain it. It's going to be dealing with the abjad. It's going to be dealing with numbers. It's going to be dealing with the letters, the study of the letters and their mystical meanings. You got sun letters, you got moon letters, you got shadow letters. You can use these when you make talismans, when you make certain types of different types of amulets, and so on and so forth.

Speaker 1: 38:24

Man, Rumi, different types of um amulets and so on and so forth. Man, rumi, rumi. You know, rumi is right. Yeah, rumi was a sufi. He was a sufi. Wow, okay, this sounds like. Uh, the key is seven seal book. The quran is the kabbalic, kabbalic system of let. Okay, okay, you were on point. You're right on there. You basically explained everything there. Okay, god is embodied in words and the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet Sounds familiar, interesting right Sounds familiar.

Speaker 1: 39:05

Interesting, right, sounds familiar. Ok, so give me some other examples of of occultism or you know, or occult teachings that people can look up. That he's right. That, that, I would say, fascinates you. A lot of science like this you got to keep preserved for yourself. Some might not understand, but you got the understanding. That's the point right.

Speaker 2: 39:32

Indeed, he's 100% correct, because you can create devils with this stuff, abjad. I said that, abjad. Yeah, that's the numerical system Ibn Arabi. That's another John. Yeah, that's the numerical system, ibn Arabi. That's another one. Yeah, great Sufi, indeed brother Ibn Arabi. Yeah, ibn Arabi wrote a whole manual. He wrote a whole manual of occult sciences with talismans, everything Talismans is in it Actual spells. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, ibn Arabi, was it um? Actual spells? You know I'm saying um, yeah, yeah, even irani was a bad dude man.

Speaker 1: 40:09

So, as far as far, as the talent, as far as the, the archetypes or talisman, the symbolism, are those things there to help, basically, um, stimulate something in your brain to yeah yeah, yes, yes, yes, exactly, exactly, yep, exactly. So now you asked me a question about what was my favorite science what I was saying is what would be a uh, an occult practice that you would say is the most fascinating.

Speaker 2: 40:47

Oh, okay, the most fascinating occult practice to me is being able to create your own methodologies, understanding, understanding the science where you can actually create your own grim, what I call a grimoire, or your own book of rituals and spells and so on and so forth. To me, that's the highest form to me, because now I'm actually in an operating form. I'm operating, I'm applying. That's the highest form to me being able to apply the things that I've learned, the things that I know. That's in me, to be able to apply them and to see a result. Not just talking about voodoo or voodoo or whatever, but actually experiencing it, Actually doing it, actually seeing the results.

Speaker 2: 41:35

I love visualization, I love meditation. I love visualizing the Ba, which is an Arabic letter. You know what I'm saying. It's shaped like a boat with a dot under it, but the ba has powerful significance, just like the aleph. The aleph is the axis of destiny in the Arabic. So you visualize an aleph or you visualize, you know, a ba or whatever, and they have meaning. You can visualize these things and turn them into parts of your body. For instance, if you throw a punch, that punch can become. If I say bah, that punch becomes empowered, because the bah is going to be extended through into the punch. It's hard to explain, but the visualization makes it. If I see the brick broke before my hand before I touch it, if my hand is already through the brick, it's gonna break before I touch it, right?

Speaker 1: 42:37

I used to break boards and all of that and visualize and breathe and all of that send energy from my cheek from my center, from my center through my arm to the floors and break the boards.

Speaker 2: 42:53

Let me ask you a question Before you did that. Did you already see? The board broke before you even hit it.

Speaker 1: 42:59

That's how they teach you how to do that. And then, of course, you got the whatever.

Speaker 2: 43:08

That's the release Of the force. When you kia, that's the release. You know what I'm saying. And sometimes we kia without kian In the occult. Oh okay, the same way you use that, the same way you go. We do that without making a kia, just by doing this, because what's coming out of it already, or what's being done, it's already in it. See, I just drew a sigil in the air, right? So I do things like that. Somebody may come around me, a certain type of entity. I'll spit on the ground and draw a particular sigil with my foot in the spit, right in front of them. They don't know what I'm doing, but I've just shut some shit down. Trust me, see, this science works on frequencies.

Speaker 1: 44:10

Now speaking of doing this right and basically sending energy out, is that liking to Reiki?

Speaker 2: 44:18

Yeah, similar. I'm a Reiki master. I got my degrees in South Africa in 2008 2009, but reiki is something that you, you don't. That's it. Reiki is already in you. Reiki is are you. It's already in you. It's just certain things you got to do and if you have a knowledge of it, it's already there. Reiki already worked. All you gotta do is put your hands together, pray, do certain things and bring it down and then just say Reiki, do what you gotta do Work. I just put my hands on work. I don't even touch people. I put my hands close to them. I don't have people start crying, going to dream states, all types of shit Releasing. I don't know why I'm crying. Oh my God, I just see a lot of purple and all these colors. Oh my God, I just don't care. I'm giving her towels and shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:18

All right. So Reiki, we spoke about that. We broke down. So you wanted to go a little in depth about the history. Um, hold on, I just want to read what you said here. I just want you to read. I just want to go through this real quick. Pardon me, pardon me y'all, pardon me, y'all but, we kind of did it god we kind of did it.

Speaker 2: 45:43

We kind of did it, though, earlier, when I was talking about Mesopotamia, chaldea, egypt, babylonia. This is where all of these things Come from and how they've transferred into Western civilization. And they've transferred into western civilization Through society, through people, like through Europeans, in these secret societies, people like Alistair Crowley, people like alistair crowley and other europeans that, over the over the time period, preserved these traditions and did other things with them. And now you see in the west, you see oto, you see the lima, you see um the hermetic organizations, golden dawn. You see, it's a bunch of magical derosa crucians, all of that. Derosa crucians, that's a comedic thing, that's comedic mysteries. You know what I'm saying. But they came through the rosy cross, a Christian mystical system. But they're borrowing from Ancient Kemet that the bible Says is satanic in polytheists.

Speaker 1: 46:47

Right, okay, so OTO Thelma, all that. That's says it's satanic and polytheist, right, okay. So OTO Thelma, all that. That's all you know. Crowley's not. Crowley but that's Crowley was a part of that, I think. Yeah, he was a part of OTA.

Speaker 2: 46:59

He created. Crowley created the Limit.

Speaker 1: 47:02

He created the Limit, though, yeah, the Limit was his organization Exactly so, and theninal was his organization Exactly, and then he was a part of the OTO before that, I think.

Speaker 2: 47:10

Yeah, yeah, and he was a part of other things as well. He was a part of Madame Blavatsky's Theosophical Society.

Speaker 1: 47:17

Theosophy, madame Blavatsky, madame Blavatsky right, yeah, blavatsky, yep, the European woman, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:31

Did she have, uh, the title bay or something like that. She learned from a guy named bay, supposedly um jamal afghan, afghani, den bay or something like that. She learned supposedly had a guy that she, that she learned from in the east. You know, I'm saying again, here's the connection. Remember what I said to you earlier about Sufism is the jewel of Western secret societies. So here it is, blavatsky telling you Jamal Afghani, you just use a damn Sufi. She learned from a Sufi. The Sufis deal with the jinn. They deal with jinn. Many Sufi sheikhs will tell you I have jinn that work for me. I got jinn that work for me, you a sheikh in Islam, but you working with jinn? Oh, brother, that's satanic. No, some jinn are Muslims, some jinn are Sufis, some are Buddhists, some are atheists. Yeah, gen, they have families, like me, and you Got families Daughters, sons, they got families.

Speaker 2: 48:37

So, explain what a gen is. A gen is a frequency that's alive, just like you, on another dimensional level, and they were here before man and they have children, generations, and some of them have even made it, at times with human beings. So you have, you can feast. There was times I forgot the sister's name, forgot her name, but it says she was half-gen and human. I can't remember her name in history, but it's a couple of them.

Speaker 1: 49:14

Okay, so that's an interesting claim. There You're saying gens is like a whole other, in another dimension. They're actual human. Now, these gen right? Do they have any connection to the planets?

Speaker 2: 49:30

Yes, just like we do. Yes, matter of fact. In the Quran it says for verily, I have made man and gen to worship me, and to worship me alone. So man and gen are to worship Allah. Therefore, gen can't be no greater than man and man is no greater than gen. So man and jinn are to worship Allah. Therefore, jinn can't be no greater than man and man is no greater than jinn. So why can't you work together? But some jinn are on the opposite side.

Speaker 1: 50:04

Can you explain Sephiroth and Clithoth?

Speaker 2: 50:11

You're talking about the Kabbalah Right. The Kabbalah has 22 paths. There's 22 paths on the Kabbalah and the Sephiroth is just one of them. You know what I'm saying? There's Malkuth, there's Chakma. There's a whole bunch of paths on the Kabbalah and if you look at Kabbalah, it's really the makeup of man. Your left side, your right side, the head, the bottom. The symbol of the Kabbalah is you okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 50:40

So you, you know, as far as the uh kabbalah you have, um, I think it's called the uh tree of life, I think it's yeah, that's what the kabbalah is called the tree of life tree of life, the tree of life.

Speaker 1: 50:52

So in a tree of life you have the sephirah and then you have the glyphos. So so the sephirah would be the good part of the tree of life and the glyphos would be the good part of the Tree of Life, and the Clithoth would be the negative part of life, of the Tree of Life.

Speaker 2: 51:07

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, you can look at it like that, but also the Sephiroth also has like a connotation to because of the travel, because of the pathways on the Kabbalah. Do you have an image of the Kabbalah? Do you have an image of the Kabbalah? Do you have an image of one? Are you looking at one In my head? Oh, yeah, okay, no, the Sephirot is like where the Sephirot is used for, like where the emanations, through which the emanations or divine emanations manifest themselves. There's ten emanations through the Seraphim that the divinity manifests itself through. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: 51:47

Supreme mathematics is the tree of life, understood properly. He, he, he, he, he. Ah, yo Ron Do peace God. Elaborate on that right quick if you can in the comments. Okay, yeah, go ahead, I can see that right quick if you can in the comments.

Speaker 2: 52:05

Okay, yeah, go ahead. I can see that. I can see where he's coming from. I can draw that up. I can see that Because when you think about it, you got to think about what the seraph off is. When you look at the Kabbalah and you're looking at the points, how many points is it? Zero to what Nine?

Speaker 1: 52:18

Let me see says it Zero to what Nine? Let me see. Let me make sure I'm right and exact. Hold on.

Speaker 2: 52:38

It's ten. Brother, Tree of life is ten. It's ten. Hold on it's 10 brother the tree of life is 10, it's 10.

Speaker 1: 52:44

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't mean it, let's see yeah it is.

Speaker 2: 52:55

But, joe, keep your science though. But it's connected by 22 paths, and 22 itself is a master number and it can start growing. You can use it for a map of your human psyche, a map of creation. You can use that map in a bunch of ways A ladder for mystical ascent, jacob's ladder, you can use it. So, when he's saying that it can be shown and proved through, or it's supreme math magic to be seen, properly understood, he's use it. So when he's saying that it can be shown and proved through, or supreme advantage to be seen, properly understood, he's right in exact.

Speaker 2: 53:29

I see that.

Speaker 1: 53:31

I see that Okay.

Speaker 2: 53:32

And you know, you got to remember, each seraph links to planets, elements and angelic orders and divine names as well. So those 10 to the 22 paths, each of them have a link to a planet, to an angel, to an element, to angelic orders, to divine names, all that.

Speaker 1: 53:48

Well, this is interesting. The top of the tree of life. It says the crown Kether is one Kether. Wisdom, Chokmah. Wisdom is two Chokmah.

Speaker 2: 54:02

Yep, yep, c-h-s-c-h. Okay, that's what I was mentioning to you earlier and bana is uh understanding interesting, interesting stuff. Oh wow, look at that uh you got the ain't soft, you got. You got the separate. You got the shakana, you got the tikkun. You know what I'm saying? You got everything. You're saying chakma. Now, koth, you got the shakuna, you got the tikkun. You know what I'm saying? You got everything. You're saying Chakma.

Speaker 1: 54:27

Malkuth Okay.

Speaker 2: 54:30

And when you break down Kabbalah, break it down, ka ba break it down. You know what I'm saying, because it's Kemetic. It's actually Kemetic. It's actually the Shatart Netir, or the Shetaut Netir. S-h-e-t-a-u-t Space, n-e-t-e-r. That's where they, that's where they Borrowed the Kabbalah from the Shetaut Netir, the real tree of life.

Speaker 1: 55:00

Okay, so I need to crack open that metal netter again. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So how would, how did the ancient comedics get, how did the the cabal, the cabalists, get the information from the metal netter? How was that?

Speaker 2: 55:16

I guess that's like a history lesson there yeah, remember, remember the cabala is quote unquote jewish, jewish mysticism or Hebrew mysticism. So if it's Hebrew mysticism, then nine times out of ten we're coming out of Canaan, mesopotamia, babylon, somewhere Wherever those Jews got a quote-unquote history of occupation and being enslaved. Remember they stole everything they got. Think about it. You ever see the Jews do their rituals? Whatchamacallit, I forgot, I can't think of the ritual, but they take a chicken, a live chicken.

Speaker 1: 56:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember seeing that who else do that. Yeah, santeros and Santerias, yeah, For sure.

Speaker 2: 56:13

A couple other societies do that. So that's showing you. Remember I said the Abrahamic faiths borrowed from quote-unquote pagans, the pagan religions and the pagan sciences. So you can see bits and pieces of it in all of the Abrahamic faith borrowed from quote-unquote pagans, the pagan religions and the pagan sciences. So you can see bits and pieces of it in all of the Abrahamic religions. You can see bits and pieces of it. You know what I mean. You can see it. If you understand the signs and the symbolism and what's really happening, you can see it.

Speaker 1: 56:37

Indeed, indeed, on that note, we're going to stop here, because you, you basically took it the knowledge of born from knowledge, the born with that right there. Um, oh, real quick. Uh, modern day cabana was made in the west. What is based off the older hebrew, hebrew mysticism Like Maracavita, maracavita Via.

Speaker 2: 57:04

Mysticism. He's saying Macabre brother. I think he's saying Macabre.

Speaker 1: 57:10

Okay, okay, macabre mysticism, and they got various sciences being in Canaan and Babylon. So he just confirmed what I just said. He just confirmed it. That's what I just said.

Speaker 2: 57:21

He's just confirmed it. That's what I just said. He's just confirming it. Indeed, the God is on point. The young God is on point, man Peace.

Speaker 1: 57:30

Tell him that brother. What's your physical degree, king Mathelaw? All right, unk denim professor, I that's somebody who know me from a long time ago.

Speaker 2: 57:50

Right there, that's peace. Wow damn, I ain't used professor I self since 2006 peace from now.

Speaker 1: 57:56

See peace, peace, peace, peace. All right, on that note we're going to close out. King Mathalaw, I guess he bounced before we could figure out his physical degree, the young God I know he's younger than me.

Speaker 2: 58:12

I wanted to tell him to stay on the path, man, and never limit yourself, and keep studying what he's doing. Keep doing what he's doing, man.

Speaker 1: 58:18

Yeah, I'm the you that, oh, oh peace yo, man, where you been man.

Speaker 2: 58:31

yo take my number down 716-770-8521. This is my man, this is my little brother right here man. He always changes, always changes name. He's a hell of an artist. This cat man, this dude, is incredible man. Oh man, I miss you brother. I ain't talked to you in a long time. Man, we got to link up man, that's a good dude right there man.

Speaker 1: 58:54

Peace. Everybody in the chat, thank you, and we're out Peace and we're out Peace, peace.