The Journey into Haitian Vodou with Priestess Rose

What happens when misconceptions meet millennia of spiritual wisdom? Mambo Rose, a respected Haitian voodoo priestess, joins us for a profound conversation that peels back layers of misunderstanding surrounding one of the world's most misrepresented spiritual traditions.

Growing up in Tomaso, Haiti, Mambo Rose describes how voodoo was simply part of everyday life – a family tradition passed down through generations on both sides of her family. It wasn't until arriving in America that she discovered how deeply misunderstood her spiritual practice was, often demonized by those who knew nothing about its true nature.

"Voodoo is a rubber band," she explains, "the more you stretch it, the longer it gets." This beautiful metaphor captures the expansive nature of a practice that encompasses everything from healing to protection, connection with ancestors to honoring natural forces. While Hollywood has painted voodoo as something sinister, Mambo Rose articulates how it's fundamentally about energy – and like any energy, its impact depends entirely on the practitioner's intention.

The conversation travels through fascinating territory – from the nature of spiritual possession (where spirits "mount" practitioners like riders on horses) to the crucial differences between legitimate initiation and the superficial practices often marketed on social media. She tackles difficult questions about why some Haitians reject voodoo while secretly seeking its benefits when in crisis, and provides illuminating context about how colonization forced practitioners to hide their traditions behind Catholic saints.

For anyone who's ever wondered about the authentic foundations of Haitian voodoo, this episode offers rare insight from someone who lives and breathes this ancient tradition. Whether you're spiritually curious or simply interested in understanding diverse cultural practices, Mambo Rose's wisdom, humor, and directness make this an unforgettable journey into a world where the visible and invisible realms constantly interact.

Connect with Mambo Rose on TikTok as "the mumbo rose," on Instagram as "priestess rls," or through her Etsy store "iubob mobile store."

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

peace world. How you doing? It's your brother, mikey fever. Nyp talk show another episode. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We have super chats. You know you'll catch us on here. Don't neglect spread the word with a friend. Tonight we got a special guest, a fellow haitian, a sister you know, mambo rose. If you're not familiar with her, you go into tiktok, you'll see her content. She is funny, she's informative and she's serious about this craft right here. So how you doing? Doing Sister Mumble Rose. Welcome to the NYP Talk Show, love.

Speaker 2: 0:49

Hello, hello. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 0:55

It's a pleasure.

Speaker 2: 0:56

I know I'm like that word got a really bad stigma to it. I don't know if that one is the word, what word, what word?

Speaker 1: 1:03

We said performative. Oh, listen, man, we're doing our thing. Man, listen, you are my fellow, my fellow, zoe on here sacrifice. Say to all the votes, those out there shout out to haiti, pray for haiti. You know, we're going through a lot right now. As you know, it's outside influences and we have cowards within our government that, you know, do sell our people out. So don't believe what you hear about haiti. You know why they, you know, putting us through this hell right now. Our history speaks for itself 1804. It's done. I'm gonna say 18, 1804, b-i-t-c-h. We did it all right live with it.

Speaker 2: 1:42

That's the that's the attitude, okay yeah, live with it.

Speaker 1: 1:47

So, mama rose, how you doing, sister? Where you from? Tell us, give us an introduction of who you are, man I am good, I'm great, great to be here.

Speaker 2: 1:54

As you guys may know, I'm or know by now, if you didn't know before, I'm mumble rose. I also go by priestess rose because, of course, priestess is the equivalent of mobile in english. For those who are not familiar, um I'm from a place called tomaso, which is in haiti, of course, um if you're familiar, you know very close to um, port-au-prince kind of like we say outside of port-au-prince, because we didn't have the lights, we were watching the lights from port-au-Prince, kind of like we say outside of Port-au-Prince because we didn't have the lights.

Speaker 1: 2:27

We were watching the lights from Port-au-Prince the mountains.

Speaker 2: 2:29

The country people, the country people.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 2:33

So that's where I'm from. I have been immobile for a very long time. This is something that is in my family. Generations on both sides, as I've always kind of like mentioned to people. Generations on both sides, as I've always kind of like mentioned to people, which a lot of you know. A lot of people, like they, don't understand that there are some of us who, um, who practice voodoo, and voodoo runs on both sides. Sometimes people be like my mother practiced, or my mother's side practiced and my father's side didn't. Um, both sides of my family we practice voodoo. So, you know, that's what I grew up knowing, like that's always been intertwined with my life. I didn't know that other people didn't practice voodoo, or didn't know about voodoo at the very least, until I came to America and I started to kind of, like, you know, tell people and they were like you're a witch.

Speaker 1: 3:19

Oh man, that's that word right there.

Speaker 2: 3:23

You know I had to be like no, not, no, not a witch, a mobile, a voodoo practitioner yeah, because they conflate that word, which with the witchcraft.

Speaker 1: 3:34

If you doing a practice that's outside the norm of religion, so automatically you're deemed as a witch or a warlock or whatsoever a priest.

Speaker 2: 3:43

So you know all right, besides what you truly are, which would again, would be more of the equivalent of a priest or a priestess, a mongrel or uga exactly so, being that um you were born in haiti, right?

Speaker 1: 3:57

I was that's dope.

Speaker 2: 4:00

I envy you no, it really was an interesting journey. You know, like when I came to America I was still relatively young, but the kids, when you grow up in Haiti, there's a level of maturity Like you watch kids here and this is like no offense to any children. It's kind of like you're growing up in a different culture where, like you know, the kids are just so mature, just because that's the environment. It's a little bit different. You're not as sheltered, you know the kids are just so mature, just because that's the environment. It's a little bit different. You're not as sheltered, you know, like you right, you're born and then it's kind of like you have duties that you know you have to keep with the household, like everybody has responsibilities yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:37

Right, you have responsibility. And I don't know what it is the food, the water but children back home are just so much more mature. So, you know, I, I, I like experience a lot of stuff, even before I even started the second grade, because I started the second grade in America.

Speaker 2: 4:54

you know, and yeah, right. So, um, there was a lot of stuff that I already experienced, that I already understood, just, of course, because I'm growing up around elders, I'm growing up around people who are voodoo down, you know what I mean. And these people, they, they speak about these things and, like you're my mother and my father, you know like, and just grandma, um, you know all of these people that talk about you know voodoo and that you know their experience and just enlightenment, they speak so much. You know, like when gum, when ballet, you know yeah, yeah, yeah, gum wouldn't buy there.

Speaker 1: 5:24

You know what I mean. Yeah, you hear the Kreek clock stories and all that and yo, oh, my God growing up, and the reason why I say I envy you and I don't mean that. But my mother came here eight months pregnant with me. I don't know how she got on the flight. I was close, I was one more month away from being born in Haiti. But she got on that flight and said no, I'm coming here. She gave birth to me here. You could say my fetus, my embryo, was cultivated in Haiti. It was no difference.

Speaker 1: 5:50

When I got into my household here, born in America, I used to hear the same stories about the metaphysical things, voodoo, spiritual phenomenon taking place, the healing. Then you do hear about the negative. I just want do hear about the negative and I just want to clarify for the listeners and viewers. Voodoo is about healing. When you hear the negative things, that's the person, is the practitioner's intention, because the energy is just raw. It's how you manipulate it to work for you, you know. So it could be good or bad, so it's up to you. That's dope.

Speaker 2: 6:27

So you came here from a young age, and then were you practicing the craft out there yeah, so you know when you again both sides right, so there's always sevice, there's always things that are going on you don't have a choice.

Speaker 2: 6:42

You know, like say, god, see me on this door has to eat. That we're doing okay. And like in december and january, um, you're, you're getting, you're getting your, your, um, you're getting yourself as a kid or whatever, however age, you are every single. You know, um, kid, um, that's part of our lacku, that that's our family. They're all going to get dressed up in our red and yellow outfits. You had red and yellow outfits made specifically for you. You had, you know, your sister that's like oh, I want mine to to have the little slit. Oh, I want mine, you know you little, oh, mine to be cute, mine, you are a part of it. You're going to run around that photo meet.

Speaker 1: 7:21

Uh, you're going to oh, you see, you're going too deep for the listeners and viewers because they're going to ask questions. Uh, you know, let's break it down for them.

Speaker 2: 7:28

Tell them what alaku is okay, um, so a compound, right, just like where you know you built, like your houses. So, a lot of the time alaku in when you're a Wurundjeri, a laku will consist of a peristil and either some houses like the Uga or the Mambo will live on the territory. Wherever you are, it's basically like your compound, like where your house is, where your peristil is, and then sometimes it's even bigger than that, where you may have, you know, different houses, several houses, where you have other people that live with you, just kind of dependent right, um, that's your lack when that's in a small scale, but also a lack who is also a neighborhood, right, like you have ways, right, no zone, the lack who is also a neighborhood where there's a bunch of different people, a bunch of different houses, of course, but when you know you're talking about lack, who you're lack, who, when you say you're lack who you know you're talking about, you know, a space, your compound, um, that comes right, that composes your tempo in your home yeah, see, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 8:34

For those who didn't know, basically you're set. This is where I started from. That's my background right here, my foundation. Because you know people would text you like what lock will you come from? And you'd be like blah, blah, blah. Oh, I know this person. All right, they're like okay, so you're from somewhere.

Speaker 2: 8:48

That's serious you know, oh, oh, absolutely. You know, yeah, and I'm like, when it comes to us, we are like what you call like a gruff on me, right. So when our town, you know, per se, was being founded, and the people who were in control of that, our, our family, you know they, they own several plots of land because it's a, it's a big family, it's a gruff on me. So, um, yeah, so we have land that we own, land throughout the whole, entire, like Tomaso, where, if you were to go to Tomaso and you stop and you get into the station, you know you, you um come out the station and you're like want to go to, like, you know, laku emil, you say that name, you say laku emil, you say laku basil, you know, you say, um, laku sinflair you're looking for, you know, you know the last name and they're gonna know exactly who you're talking about and you, know all of all of these names are.

Speaker 2: 9:40

You know, they're all family names and we're all just one giant family I'm looking for. Right when you go down there you want to look for, if you want to find me, you're going to be like madame julie. Madame julie, it'll take you right there. That's right, right in the book, right in like that, like that's the main, like that's there, and you could go down there and say I'm looking for for you, so you're looking for me, so you're looking for me, and somebody's going and you can go down there and say I'm looking for you, can say you're looking for me, so you're looking for me and somebody's going to bring you right to me.

Speaker 1: 10:13

Yeah, depending on your energy, what energy you come with, if you come with some funny energy, they'll take care of you. Oh hell, yeah, come on now. Come on now, definitely. So I'm going to ask you the first question. Right, we're gonna get to the foundational. You know, general overview, nothing too you know deep that will reveal certain things, because we got to respect traditions. You know it goes from mouth to ear, not a book. Okay, so we're gonna go with this one. What are the metaphysical foundations upon which Haitian voodoo is built?

Speaker 2: 10:41

metaph, metaphysical. Like I have to really understand exactly what you mean when you say metaphysical, because ain't the whole entire practice?

Speaker 1: 10:51

Yeah, actually, but basically the unseen, like, that's basically as they say, there's no evidence, but they know it's there. Something is there Like should. I say like egregore, something like that, like the force of the laku, what it it build upon?

Speaker 2: 11:08

The force of the laku or voodoo in general.

Speaker 1: 11:10

Voodoo in general. Let's go into that.

Speaker 2: 11:14

Well, when you say the force, that voodoo is built on the spirits, right, the luwa and the ancestors, those are the force. That's the force. That's voodoo, of course, and you know, I, I like to, you know, tell people like how it is, like voodoo is literally everything. So it's really, you know, like you really can't break it down to just one set thing yeah because of right, like the elders would say, um, voodoo is a rubber band and, and honestly, my uncle, who heard that one before it was my uncle, who's my elder, the one that made me with my mother.

Speaker 2: 11:47

It's a rubber band the more you stretch it out, the more longer it gets. Just when you think is that it and it's going, and it's going, and it's going and it's going Because it's connected to everything.

Speaker 2: 12:00

It's energy itself. It's everything and everything is a part of it. And it's energy itself, it's everything and everything is a part of it. So you know like, and it's all energy. So energy would be. You know what, what fuels it, what the magic is, and then, yeah, you have the faces of those energy, which are the loa, and then the human beings that are closer to the loa, which we always say closest to the source, exactly, yeah, exactly, the practitioners no, it's so true, because you know these questions I come up with.

Speaker 1: 12:24

It's like we try to westernize it for the people to understand it as much as possible, but you have to be immersed into it to understand what voodoo is, because you know voodoo could be just movement, word, word is very popular, like it's very. It's a powerful component within our culture. With voodoo you got to have the word, and when they say it's word, where is it coming from? The pit of your soul and what you push out there, what you're saying, what you feel, the music it plays a part the herbs play a part.

Speaker 1: 12:59

You know it's language, as they they say Longage, longage, longage, basically saying it's all in the language, it's the word, because the word is everything, the frequency. You know Exactly as you put it. Voodoo is all around you, your everyday rituals is voodoo.

Speaker 2: 13:19

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 13:20

So I got that. I like that. I like how you Damn man, Don't have me catch why on the show which is great, you better start.

Speaker 2: 13:28

We're not going there tonight all right.

Speaker 1: 13:33

It said in what ways do the lois reflect different aspects of human nature in the universe?

Speaker 2: 13:40

in what way they reflect different human aspects. Now your questions really are very westernized.

Speaker 1: 13:49

You don't have to. Yeah, I know, I know it's for the sake of the listeners and viewers, so we gotta valid?

Speaker 2: 13:55

no, it's valid, but I want to make sure, in a way, I'm understanding the question, so I answer you.

Speaker 1: 14:00

I don't like to dance around, I want to know no, never that, basically, you know how to like the defining the laws right With different aspects of human, with different human aspects of nature. Like which law represents this human behavior? This is the source of nature.

Speaker 2: 14:22

OK, beautiful question. Ok, I had to make sure. See, I was like I think I know what you're saying, but me, I'm like Okay, the source of nature, you know? Okay, beautiful question. Okay, I had to make sure.

Speaker 1: 14:27

See, I was like I think I know what you're saying but man, yeah, no, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2: 14:31

I want to make sure, yeah, I love this question, which I feel like there's some people who kind of they do understand. You know this, the concept of like you know how you have ogun who's you know who's a warrior right, beautiful lot to start with um, it's a strong, like masculine energy, a fiery energy, iron, you know like like warrior, you know, like a force to be reckoned with, um. So of course it's.

Speaker 2: 14:57

It's an element as well, element, you know, element of fire element yeah but as well as representing, if, a manly, strong, warrior strength, right, being kind of like a brute strength. And you know, without going too deep, you have people who understand both. So they're like, oh, it's a ball spirit. You'll tell me it's a ball spirit, but then they don't understand that voodoo is not just one-sided. Now you have that's. You have people just think like, oh, if I'm gonna have, for example, I'm gonna like, just be crazy. But they don't know. They don't know that there's also. There's also which is not, as you know, what I mean so different, different spirits. You know it's too deep to get into, but different spirits don't always represent, um, just one thing, just one side. But these spirits, it's exactly like that where you have spirits of nature, where there's, you know, grumbline, it's like you're you're not looking for gamba to be just a man. You know they're not looking for that. You may look for Gamba and he's a tree.

Speaker 2: 16:08

You may look for Gamba, he's the entire forest itself. He's all the herbs and everything that is in the forest. You may look at him as that right, and when we talk about Luamakaya, you look at it as not just the herbs but the action of healing itself is what that spirit does, and of course there's tons of other spirits that do that. Symbionte des Eaux, you know one of our spirits that are like the head spirit of our société, andes d'Anton. You know d'Anton being the feminine energy.

Speaker 1: 16:43

The Black Madonna, for those who don't know. Or Lady Perpetual, as Lee d'Anton yes, being the feminine energy. The black madonna, for those who don't know. Or lady perpetual as lead, don't, oh, yes. Or isis, where the original isis derived from the original isis. You know, isis? The depiction of isis is to us as lead, don't, oh. So yeah, what they call Virgin Mary today.

Speaker 2: 17:01

Virgin Mary, exactly yeah, Today, okay yeah, you have that which is a motherly figure. You know, Don't all be in a fierce mother, Protect her. You know she protects women, she protects children, she protects the LGBTQ community, which is something like people kind of be like some people. Some people are just kind of like what, and it's like people. Some people are just kind of like what?

Speaker 1: 17:30

and it's like okay, all right, we're gonna stop. You know, no disrespect, no disrespect, I'm just like you know not taking mother figure.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Right. Then you have a freda who is more of a, you know, we like to say she's more of a younger, you know, a younger bride, the more the more hopeless romantic.

Speaker 1: 17:49

Okay, a hopeless romantic way to put it oh my goodness, romantic, right.

Speaker 2: 17:56

All of that are human aspects, right? Some things that we can relate to. We can relate to that right as opposed to being humans. We can't relate to what it means to be the ground, to be, to be, uh, like you know, um an animal per se, to be nature, to be the woods, while we can't relate, because that's that doesn't really um connect with us as we're humans. The ground, the nature, the animals are also that, um, the law, are nature as well, are the forces, are the elements and human aspects, aspects as well.

Speaker 1: 18:30

So, yeah, I got you, you see, for those, yeah, the law, the law, you know, I'm gonna put it in a western context for those, for those who don't know, because you know, because some people like, it's so much information coming at me, how can I grasp it? All right, within voodoo there's one God with multiple deities. Below that God, I represent different aspects of the elements of earth, wind, fire, was it earth, wind, fire and water. Yeah, you know, we got all those, all those. So basically, that's what the, the loire, are depiction of them through synchronicity of the catholic saints, you know. So that's what happened to um with the voodoo practice. So when she said um, simby, I believe simby's depicted as saint andrew, something like that there's, there's like different ones.

Speaker 2: 19:27

You know what I mean so like there's, because you have, you know, simby, macau and the other is there's a bunch, so people will use different. Some people use different saints, you know yeah exactly, exactly, yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 19:39

So, being that, you know you was raised in this and you know that there are many that within the Haitian community that tend to be very stigmatized and they found they found Haitian voodoo to be very like to them. It bothers them, they run from it. They'd be like well, I don't practice that because it's fully evil. Can you explain why does that happen?

Speaker 2: 20:02

you have all the great questions. Um, I want to just kind of like and I'm sure, like maybe, you know, a lot of people already understand this, but I do get a lot of people who don't quite understand this as well um, and some people who kind of like a bit of a bit upset about it. When you know, you spoke about the saints and the synchronization and synchronization. Obviously that's something that happened when, like voodoo, pretty much like touched down in Haiti and because of, like you know, colonialism and which I'm not I'm not gonna go too deep into sensitive subjects, cuz I know you already gave me that warning, but but it's what you know, it had to be like hid behind and that it doesn't even take. People may think it takes away from voodoo. It doesn't, because, just like how you mentioned, when it came to like the Black Madonna, and then it came to to now it's now Mary and Jesus, before you have, you know, isis dates christianity. You know them, you know what I mean. We literally took what they took from us already. They took it and they they've created images out of them, but it was already what we knew. So, really, it's like, you know, people say it's synchronized with catholism? Yeah, technically really isn't even that, because that already existed.

Speaker 2: 21:21

We already knew god before colonization, before, like you know they. They threw a bible in our faces like and told us to you know, worship god in their way we don't have a god, you know, like we already had god, so they didn't introduce us to god. Like I always said, we always knew god. We just don't the god that they know how things are written in the bible and all of those you know contradictions. That's not, let's just say, maybe that's not our god, because our god don't know that right? So, circling, circling back to your question, and maybe you'll have to like excuse, you'll have to like remind me um the question again, because we're so good no, go, go go ahead, um for those um people within the hajian community we have a lot of um.

Speaker 1: 22:04

It's not an attack towards religion, towards, you know, christians, christianity. When they hear voodoo, you know, even amongst the Black Americans, they say, ah, that's the devil's work, I don't get caught up into that. And they some of their reasoning, be you know, there was some of the reason that they share is that they had family members that practice that or practice themselves, and they'd be like, nah, this didn't work out for me, I got you, I got. Why is?

Speaker 2: 22:31

that I got you now. So there are so many different examples, which some I talk about on my tiktok. A lot of people here's what they will do, unfortunately. So they'll. They'll hear about voodoo, right, and then they'll want to practice. You know, even if they have, like you know, some sort of like spirit, that kind of came to them and show them some signs in some ways, right, they'll want to practice and a lot of time they come into the practice with, you know, a need which is perfectly fine. I have to say, like some people, they're like all right, you know somebody hurt them. You know they want to do a work-in. They'll go to a Mabu or Ugan do a work-in for them. Or they'll go to a Mabu or Ugan because they feel like some energy around them, right, like they'll feel like a pull to the practice. Now, what will end up happening is they'll try to go and then, you know, they want to become a practitioner. After the work, my god, the ugo, the mobile, did a work for them.

Speaker 2: 23:25

Work works out very good and they're like, hey, I want to be able to do that myself right, or they have a pool, now they'll go in and a lot of the times what ends up happening is obviously their intentions are not there and they're not doing the work like how they're supposed to do it. So once, right, once you, you open that door, now you're leaving this world world and you're entering into a world that is no longer your world. You're coming into a spiritual world where I always say we live in this world, that we live in this reality where we have so much things that we do not even understand about our world, about ourselves, people constantly kind of trying to figure out what is our purpose here, where do we come from? You know things that I would say that are a little bit even unnecessary, like just live you know.

Speaker 2: 24:12

So again, there are things that we don't understand about our world. Can you imagine? Now we are struggling to understand a lot of stuff about our world. We're going into a whole different world and people go in there and they don't tread lightly. People go in there all willy nilly. They think, if I do this and I do that and I summon Baon Sam Di, baon Sam Di is going to do this, going to do that for me, and then I could just walk away and be like all right, gucci, gucci, right, you're taken from that energy, from that source, and you give nothing back, right or?

Speaker 2: 24:40

a lot of the time when things don't go their way fast enough, when things don't happen how they want it to happen, right, and they lose faith and they, they, they lose trust, so they abandon the spirits. You know what I mean. Sometimes it's out of frustration A lot of the time.

Speaker 2: 24:55

There are practitioners who practice and they have people who are combating them. They have other people who then use magic, who use voodoo, and I say magic in general, because it doesn't matter Right right where I practice, your practice and people are going to do the same kind of thing exactly.

Speaker 1: 25:08

It's not only voodoo, there's many out there, absolutely yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 25:13

So then you, you get like you're in the practice. You start, you know the other, somebody gets jealous of you, they throw some work at you, something happens to your family member, something happens to you. Then you're like, oh my god. You you're like, wow, because of voodoo. They use voodoo to attack me, they use magic to attack me, to attack my family, attack my family member, so they get scared out of it. They're like, oh, no, no, no, that's not, that's not, that's not for me, that's not good. Never thinking that it's. It's the same way. If somebody was to not practice voodoo, not practice magic, and they, you know, they cut you up with a knife or they stab you with a knife, do you go oh my God, that knife is evil. The knife is a terrible thing. I'm afraid of the knife because somebody used that knife. That knife didn't just animate itself and stab you or cut you up. That person took that knife. They manipulated the source called force Physics right.

Speaker 2: 26:07

They had to put their hand down. Use the force against physics to pull it up in order to stab you.

Speaker 1: 26:15

That knife is not Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 26:19

That knife is not responsible for your stabbing that person. Is that person who picked up voodoo and used it and harmed your family member and harmed you? It's not voodoo that's responsible for that. It's that person. Is that person who picked up voodoo and used it and harm your family member and harmed you? It's not voodoo that's responsible for that. It's that person because, that same voodoo, that same energy that was used, somebody else could tap in in there and healed your child, healed you, protect you.

Speaker 2: 26:41

The same exact way but you know how it is right, when, when people do wrong, when you you're dealing with with harm, people remember the bad things you do for them, the bad things that comes out of something, uh, more than they remember the good things we could have been doing good for them all of their life.

Speaker 2: 26:57

Everything is great, everything is good, everything is great. As soon as they kind of slip up and they may not realize they slip up they go ahead, they promise. They promise, don't thought this and this and that they forget, they forget. Now don't thought, doesn't get what she wanted, but she did her work, but she didn't get what she wanted.

Speaker 2: 27:11

Now kind of things start going in a different way for them because you have a promise that you did not have faith. Now, who is bad? Because you're like, oh my God, but things that I was able to use to do it, all of the great things that the spirits did for me, they don't think about that so a lot of times that's what happened.

Speaker 2: 27:30

Um, a lot of times people just kind of listen to other people. People start filling their heads up with things. Um, people will tell you like, oh yeah, they, they took your spirit. That's. That's one of my favorite things right here people say I'm like yeah oh, my goodness, oh, I went to a practitioner.

Speaker 2: 27:45

They tried to steal my destiny. They tried to steal my stuff. They did a head washing for me, they initiated me, they tried to take my spirits. Now you got to ask yourself if a person is capable of even doing an initiation, of doing these rituals. Bring out these spirits. Have people be getting pelted? Bring down a spirit into somebody. Why would they need to take your spirit? Don't you think that they have their own spirits? Why would they need that's it?

Speaker 2: 28:14

Other people who put fear into their heart, who fear monger them like, fear mongering them into believing that that somebody did harm to you where you know? Um, that person then believes and then they started to get paranoid. Paranormal is such a big thing. When it comes to spirituality. People are so paranoid, so scared, and they're worried about what our next person will do to them and they end up driving themselves either away from the spirituality or into insanity. But the biggest reason why people get like, oh no, they demonize it, they look it's because they've had a bad experience and a lot of the time it's because they didn't do stuff right of course right.

Speaker 2: 28:53

Somebody in their family fucked them over, a friend fucked them over it's. It's always because of another human being who messed up the experience, or they messed up their own experience.

Speaker 1: 29:03

I'm glad you I'm glad you'm glad you went on that and said all this, because I want the listeners to go back and listen to what she's saying, because she dropped a lot of information for y'all. And again, voodoo is not found in a book. In a book, you get a Western definition of what voodoo is, but you have to immerse yourself again, as I said, to understand what's going on around you. It's good to you know, read up and you know, get an idea on what's happening, but once you get your hands in there and you know where you're at, so I want to ask you a question right Again. We're doing this for our listeners and viewers, for those who have knowledge of this culture, those who are in other spiritual practice will understand. Those who don't, you know. I want you to go back, listen to this and, you know, do your research, but we're going to keep it very you know basic for the sake of the listeners and viewers. Um, what is spiritual possession in voodoo?

Speaker 2: 30:01

yeah, very great question again. Okay, so spiritual possession, which is actually a word that I use as well too, because before I thought that they would understand what mountain was, I used possession because it's really not. As you know, hollywood would make it out to be spiritual right, so there is really nothing wrong with using the word spiritual possession. Um, so, when the spirit mounts you, the spirit possesses your body to use, literally to come into you, where a lot of times, what happens is when the spirit takes over you, like you know, like when you're driving a car, for example, they're kind of driving you, they're letting you know how to move, what to do, they're like animating you, right? Um, a lot of times, people completely like they, they blank out, they're gone. You know, they don't remember anything. You know, there are some people where they're kind of there with their spirit. So spirits for us, um, this is why I always tell people like you, you may think you work with a spirit, but you're not working with a spirit until the spirit mounts you.

Speaker 2: 31:09

And spirit's not going to just mount just any old person. Spirit doesn't just come in and like, oh, that's a natural thing, and it just mounts. Every single person who decides I want to be mounted If you are, you know, you're initiated and you know how to bring down the spirit then you call down the spirit and you can do that. Well, I will, because you've gone through that, you know journey to be able to do that, that, that power. But spirit can also mount those that were chosen by spirits and you know it's when the spirit becomes one with you. They come, they, they work through you.

Speaker 2: 31:40

You know, when you're doing a reading you're doing, you know, a working for somebody. It's not that's, it's not you that's there anymore, it's the spirit. The spirit is basically driving you. It'll tell you what to what to touch. When the spirit touches the candle, where to put the candle, what to do, what your light, when it anything and everything it's touched. It's activating, it's blessing it. You're it's, it's making an ordinary thing an extraordinary thing, you know, a magical thing to be able to use in whatever workings that you are doing.

Speaker 2: 32:11

So that's that spirit will mouth, they will come to give information, to give a message to um, reveal something that is happening in the family, a warning. So a possession is just, it's just kind of like how it is.

Speaker 1: 32:24

No, not much different from you know, the western um definition holy spirit, exactly right spirit taking over you so this question this is a question that comes in two parts, and you know, just to break it down, what is the petrol right and what is the rotter right right.

Speaker 2: 32:44

So peto being more hot spirits, right, like when the spirits you have, like we mentioned before, we spoke about ogu, we spoke about um, uh danto, those are peto spirits. So the hot spirits, the spirits that are more like and when you say in hot that's like more like rowdy and more like fiery spirits, right versus rada that are more cool, they're associated with like luck, like sweet they eat you know sweet things and of course, you know everyone get too deep. They're like without, without whose? Love, beauty, luxury, white things, right. So that's what. That's what that is. It's more of like a um, it's a difference in energy. You know, that's what they are. The two different, you know major routes in voodoo, the two major paths in voodoo, because you have, you know, 21 different paths in voodoo.

Speaker 2: 33:39

But those yep, exactly right, but those being the two main ones, two different energies.

Speaker 1: 33:51

I got you. I respect that. But those who want to know it's like, yeah, like she said, it's hot and cold spirits and they both, they both work depending on what you want, but depending on what you want if you're trying to some monies, but you know they both get protection and they'll, you know, go to war if they have to. But it's again, it's all based on your intentions, on what you're trying to do. So the next question I have what happens during a typical voodoo ceremony?

Speaker 2: 34:21

yeah, during a typical voodoo ceremony, right, right, so what we do, we're bringing down spirits to be able to thank them, right, and this is why I say a lot of people they'd be like, oh, I practice, I'm solo, I do my own thing, and this is like what? And they call themselves a mabor uga and you've never seen them do a ceremony, you've never seen them do a dance to do you know know a ritual, um, to basically to feed the spirits, right, when people think like, oh, I make you know a sunday dinner and I put it down on my altar and that's me feeding my spirits. No, it's not.

Speaker 2: 34:57

no, it's not no no, no, not like that, like when you are calling down for the spirit to come. And I again, I won't go in too deep. I'm not saying you can't cook food and put the food on there to offer to your spirits, but if you are a voodoo and you're a bubble or uda, you're gonna do a dance, you're gonna do a pet. You know what I mean. Like that, that's what. That's what we're really talking, because there are specifics behind it. There are things where, like you know, if you're gonna feed one of them, you don't feed all of them. So your rituals, your, your fats, you know how it is they can go for eight days, eight days straight, you know there's a lot, especially if you're like a person, like with our, with our um, with our family.

Speaker 2: 35:37

It's a large family and it's so many. There's like all of these spirits that have to be fed, right?

Speaker 2: 35:44

So it consists of, of course, having a table because you're doing a feed-in and having a table where you have, you have, um, all the, you have the offerings, where that's what's going to go, the food and everything where that's going to go, um, it consists of bringing down the spirits. The spirits are, of course, they're going to come down, they're going to mount people, they're going to dance, they're going to eat, they're going to, you know, do their blessings. They're going to do whatever it is that they're going to do.

Speaker 1: 36:12

You gotta have the rum.

Speaker 2: 36:13

There too, you gotta have the alcohol you gotta have their rum, you gotta have their alcohol, gotta have their wine, um, and so, yeah, so that's pretty much, you know, like a party for the spirits. You're doing a big party, whether it's a service one day, whether it's a service, you know, two or three days, um, like I said, we'd be going for eight days. Back in the day, grandfather used to do a service for 14 days.

Speaker 1: 36:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:41

Lord have mercy, yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:43

Yeah, I know about those.

Speaker 1: 36:45

I know about those Oof. Listen, I used to attend them as a child, like my. You know, what I didn't like growing up is that the people that practice this or those who will worship their ancestors they used to put up a front saying I don't like these things, this and that. But yet you find them at every party, every voodoo, voodoo ceremony, or those who demonize this culture, this way of life, but yet say their relationship fails or something goes bad. They go sit down in front of a boko. And for those who don't know, a boko is a warlock, as they put it, or spiritual hitman within this so-called voodoo thing.

Speaker 1: 37:27

Not, they are not originally part of voodoo, they're more like the renegades. But people will go. No, no, disrespect them, but people will go sit down. People will sit down in front of them, but they'll be like I don't deal with this voodoo stuff, right? They're like I'll just pray to christ, whatever my bible, and pray, but let something go bad, let your husband leave the house or your wife leave you. They'll go drop that six hundred dollars down somewhere to get their results.

Speaker 2: 37:51

So shame on you six hundred dollars back in the day.

Speaker 1: 37:54

Yeah, back back in the days I don't know about today. Yeah, today you're coming out like at least $2,000. Or more.

Speaker 2: 38:02

You're like when my grandfather was alive.

Speaker 1: 38:04

Yeah, oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 38:06

But yeah, you're 100% right and this is the thing that I talk about too. It's a topic I talk about too. Like you know, nobody is going to hype up voodoo in public, but when they need it, you know when, something like you said, when your child is sick and you can't find any other option, you're going to do everything to save your child. Right, when you said, and even things like that, when you know when that man leaves you, no matter. You were sister Charlene in the church. You know, praise Jesus on Sunday. Okay, monday, you hitting up. You hitting up the pasting, like I. Okay, monday, you hitting up, you hitting up the pastries, like I talk all the time. I said we have a special secret entrance for the pastors, the pastors and the priests and people that be in the church. We have a secret entrance for them in the temple, don't I?

Speaker 2: 38:48

know, just because you're like, they're telling you don't do this, don't do that, man, they do it yeah you not to do it, but they will.

Speaker 1: 38:59

They'll go see the priest or the priestess and say and this one, please, fidel. Basically, fidel means I need more church followers, so they'll go there, give me, like, give me, a little juju bag or something that I can hang up in the church when they walk in, so I could get anyway exactly to bring you?

Speaker 2: 39:14

yep, exactly you want. They want people to give more donations? Yep, they come. They come straight to us. Okay, they know, they know the truth. They'll tell you that, yeah, the bible says evil, so I'm preaching, and they'll tell you that it's evil, but they know deep down in their heart, they know what it truly is.

Speaker 1: 39:32

So I have. I have another question right how does you know in what you can disclose information that you can disclose? How does Haitian voodoo initiation goes? Yeah, initiation process, how does that go? Can you break it down a little bit for us, a little?

Speaker 2: 39:53

bit so like for us the way we used to to do things. Because now it's a little bit different, right, because of what's going on in haiti right now. So, before the way we used to do things, everything was done in haiti. You know, when it comes to the initial initiation, the actual it's done in haiti, right? So you start off as a person who has some sort of a pool. Like, of course, you're not going to just initiate a person that you know doesn't have any kind of spirit connection. Right, there's got to be some sort of a pool. You have to have a call-in for it, right? So the first thing you will do is you would come, you would come sit with the, you know, the mabu, the ugan, they'll do a reading. Nobody's gonna just initiate you. Boom, boom, bam, somebody does that.

Speaker 2: 40:31

I can't speak for them. You know what I mean. I cannot speak for, like other people, and how they do things. Respectfully, I can only tell you how we do things at our house, like I know, in our association, right, um, you have to meet with us first. You meet with us. We see what's going on, you know, and then what?

Speaker 2: 40:48

What happens is we build like a some sort of a relationship, whether it's through you know, through doing workings for you or you know like, through advice or talking about certain things. There needs to be some sort of relationship because what we need to determine is are you a person who's going to use this to do harm? What is your intentions behind it? Right, because I, I always tell people, no matter what you can, you can, you know, put any label on me that you want. You can misjudge me, you can misunderstand me, but I'm gonna the way I'm.

Speaker 2: 41:17

I do things that should speak for itself, like, and that's the way my ancestors did things. I need to know who you are because I don't want to bring any more monsters into this world. I don't want to create, I don't want to put powers into the hand of monsters. It's one thing if you are getting an initiation to be able to protect yourself, to be able to, like you know, make sure somebody. One thing about me I'll tell you I'm not a saint. I don't believe that anybody on this planet is a saint people who try to play snake on it and try to be innocent.

Speaker 2: 41:42

I don't believe you. I don't believe you because, at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, you're going to make sure that you, yours and yourself, are good, as you should, because I'm going to do the same thing now. So I always say it's not about being a saint, but it's about if somebody step on your shoe. Are you the type of person to blow powder in their face and and and you know distort, you know destroy their life just because of that? Or you're gonna be like, hey, buddy, you stepped on my shoe. You won't say excuse me, that was rude. You know what I mean. Are you gonna just be silent but I'll kill you later? We're not. We don't want to do that you know you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 42:14

like it's one thing, it's not to disrespect you Once you are justified, all better. On the table.

Speaker 1: 42:20

Do you understand what I mean? I respect that.

Speaker 2: 42:23

Like I said, no saint, no saint, all right, you come with the right intentions. There's that saying.

Speaker 2: 42:29

that said Femme en vent, right Do me first Do me first, until somebody has done to you, don't hate on them because they they're prettier than you and you won't do a spell on them. So getting to know the people and who we are bringing we're giving this sacred information to this, this power passing this down to is important. So we get to kind of know you first. Once we understand, okay and you know, a spirit will always reveal things, no matter what, right if you miss me here.

Speaker 2: 42:52

you're gonna be here. If you ain't, you're out. You're going to find all kinds of reasons to figure out why you want to leave. You're going to go Because that's the foundation our family, our ancestors set up for us, because, at the end of the day, we're not perfect people. But if you think we're evil, you're wrong. That's not us, because we choose not to be. It's a choice.

Speaker 1: 43:11

Exactly, to be evil is to live backwards, so it's weird.

Speaker 2: 43:18

Absolutely backwards. So it's weird, absolutely absolutely. So. After getting to know you, we start first. You know, depending on who you are, right on who you are, we see how you are, because everybody is different. Some people they may be a little bit more spiritually connected you know what we?

Speaker 2: 43:26

first do is we're gonna do a console. Everybody gets console. That's, that's initiation. The first level of console, right, um, for for now, we do laviate here, right, we do a lot of it in mass uses, a lavietate being a spiritual head washing. It's a pre-initiation, not an initiation. It's either, you know, and it's not like a bath to remove negative energy, because people kind of think that it is while doing a lavietate can 100 push away negative energy? And also, you know, there is some other stuff that we do as well. I don't want to give away because, you know I don't want people. I'm not marketing here, I'm just, yeah, just saying, um, so, like, there's that stuff so it can give you, you know, some luck, give you some some, uh, protection. But its true purpose is to open your third eye, to ground you. So if you're a person who's never been mounted before, you know, maybe some that's something that's very likely for you.

Speaker 2: 44:18

As long as you got a lot, you got spirits, you're going to be mounted of course right, you're going to start having these experiences and then you kind of like get to understand us, because you know that's the part that we do here in massachusetts. So this is when you're getting to know us. You're getting to know who we are. You know we're getting to know you too. You know we're gonna, we're gonna go through it to see what happens happens until we can go down to haiti, and haiti there's no lying. You can't. You can't like over here in america, you can act like you're this and this. Now, once you step ground in haiti, it's a whole different ballgame, right?

Speaker 1: 44:44

yeah, I know, I know because there's a lot of um and again, I'm not trying to um ring on nobody's parade, but we have a lot of people that are on social media that be exploiting and selling this culture and many other um avenues as well within the spiritual world. You got people like call me man, I give you a bath like three thousand dollars, and what they will give you is a is a bottle full of mop water.

Speaker 2: 45:07

You know what I'm saying and you think you're good about it.

Speaker 1: 45:11

Cinnamon water I would call it brown cinnamon water.

Speaker 2: 45:14

I'll boil up a couple of herbs and be like here's a spiritual bath, okay yeah oh no.

Speaker 2: 45:19

So there was a point where you know we were trying, we had done, like you know well, rather I had done, you know, some spiritual baths and stuff like that and you know like it was. It was meant to be like like a kind of like a potion kind of thing where it was just kind of like not worth it and I remember it never went up on my store. It was just not worth it and I was like man, just you know, back to the basics, because etsy store and a botanica kind of thing, you know it's the same, it's the same thing. Where it's an online botanica, that's neither here or there, right when it's. The point is, if it's not supposed to happen, it's not gonna happen. For us, that's the foundation, our ancestors like. It's just not gonna happen and we take that very seriously. We don't try to push it. So if you know that Haiti is not good right now, we're not doing initiation because we want to do it Haiti and only in Haiti, right?

Speaker 1: 46:02

yeah, I heard that before. So for those who who are seeking to be become initiated in this culture, right, I hear people say some are were initiated, were initiated and they sleep and they dreams. I hear stuff like that. I heard heard some people in my family say that happened to them In their dream. They received something. And there are those that say go through the traditional route of becoming initiated. And now there are those that are saying you don't have to be initiated, you can do it all here. So is it better to do it here or in Haiti?

Speaker 2: 46:34

There's so many different valid points when you said the thing about so we have to touch on all of those. When you said the thing about you know receiving things in your dreams yes, yes, that happens, it's valid, it's true, but it is a what you call a um. It's basically them showing you what needs to happen. They will send you to initiate. Even though they show you, oh, you're initiating. In your dream, they say, oh, I'm the initiator, you have to go and initiate. They're letting you know what is that called Like a foreshadow on what needs to happen? Because you don't live in the dream world. You are a tangible human being. You live in the tangible world. Therefore, there's hands that should be laid on you.

Speaker 2: 47:19

That's why, even though spirits for those who are with, as I am myself, and initiate right, even though you are a swazi, spirits will show you certain things in your dreams, they will not show you everything. You will not learn everything and anything that you need to know, it's not going to come from your dream. You have to have community. The spirits are not going to show you that you, like you're not going to be sitting here and nobody, like anybody who can. They want to see me if they want, tell me I'm lying. They're not going to show you how to do everything. There are certain things like what you have to. You know. For example, I was showing to my spiritual children how you wash a queen.

Speaker 1: 47:48

They're not going to show you that in your dream people are going to be asking like there's a lot of terms she's using. You gotta forgive her. She's speaking creole because she, I think, because she's comfortable, because you know I understand what she's saying and for those a queen is like um it's the bowl like it's a calabash right, it's a calabash made out of coconut skin.

Speaker 2: 48:09

I believe it's made out of coconut, the inside of coconut, something like that it's, it's the actual calabash itself, right, you scoop it out and it's like a bowl we always call it a bowl, right? Right? So let's just say a spiritual item, right? Great example washing a spiritual item, how you're supposed to do it, your intention, a lot of kind of stuff. There are certain things that is just passed down. That is done because the spirit will tell you certain things. Right, they'll tell the other person certain things. You take all of of the stuff that was given by these spirits over all of these thousands and thousands of years ago. You put that together, you pass it down, you pass it down from generations and generations, right? So then each person has to tell the other person, because spirits may tell you some stuff that they didn't tell me. They could tell you some stuff that they didn't tell my. You know what I mean. And then you put it together, you put all that together. So, no matter what you, you, you have to learn from somebody. If you don't have a family member teaching you. So yeah, that can happen, but again, like I said, because if you are not initiated in the physical world and you're, it's not recognized as an initiation in the physical world, even if you've seen yourself being initiated. They may give you something and that's perfectly fine. That happens, happens to me, happens to everybody who practices voodoo in our family, and we still initiate it because we wanted to achieve the highest level of priesthood, because that's the foundation that our ancestors had for us Before you were anything. Of course, we practice as makut and then you elevate right, then you elevate, so, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: 49:39

The other point that you made was people who who say that you don't have to initiate, and the crazy thing is it's not that they're wrong, like you don't have to initiate um if you don't want to initiate because you have free will, but if you're going to be a part of Haitian voodoo, you're not Haitian um with with loi and a family, a lack of. You must initiate. That's the only way in. Otherwise you're simply not practicing haitian voodoo. You're simply not working with no spirits. You're not talking to no spirits. That's the only way. The people who do not initiate are what you got, what you were just talking about, boko. They are makut who have not initiated, but they didn't just up and picked up the practice they have. They have um in their family, that that passed down to them. Then they're able to practice with the knowledge that they're getting from family members or you know, elders that that tell them this stuff.

Speaker 2: 50:33

It doesn't just come out of thin air. Thin air out of nowhere there's an action. No, there's an anchor yeah, you gotta, you gotta be, so no, yeah so no, you know, like, uh, britney, from you know, dorchester couldn't just be like yeah, I, I, I feel like haitian voodoo is a great practice. I love it and I want to just practice. I read a couple of books. Um, I watched some tiktok videos. I watched the video on youtube. Now, I'm a practitioner. Nobody can tell me anything.

Speaker 1: 51:02

I'm a priestess, I'm a high priest, get my mom britney absolutely not. You know what I'm saying like no how dare you otherwise?

Speaker 2: 51:17

you know why did we go. Why did we go through all that? For like and it's not easy, do you know what I mean? Like, why would we put ourselves through all that if you could just wake up on one? Wake up one day and say, hey, I'm a practitioner?

Speaker 1: 51:29

no, absolutely not, it doesn't work like that, no so all that is bobing, bobing.

Speaker 2: 51:35

So iing.

Speaker 1: 51:36

So I have a question right Another one I don't know. I keep saying. I have multiple questions in my head just flowing around To me what is the difference between Haitian voodoo and 21 Divisions On the VR side? You really about to do it. I don't see much of a difference.

Speaker 2: 51:53

I kind of you want me to tell you what it is you want me to tell you what it is you want me to tell you what it is, because those who know and they have respect, they're going to.

Speaker 2: 52:01

Let's be respectful we're going to be respectful, but the truth. The truth, like those who know, they're going to understand, they're going to know, but those who are delusional, they're going toating, just like how you know they use saints to venerate. You know they venerate the saints, right that that didn't come out of nowhere. Somebody had to start that, and it started in Haiti. It started in Haiti, like, do you guys realize how popular Haiti was after what they did? And they're like, hey, wait a minute, like shit, they did this. Maybe we should do this too. The thing with DR is like they and this is just them, it's not something I'm written for them. This is what happened, where they kind of like you know, they threw away voodoo and magic and spirituality, you know, and they picked up the Bible. You know what?

Speaker 1: 52:58

I mean Not all. Yeah, due to colonization it's never going to be all. It's never yeah, due to colonization it's never, going to be all.

Speaker 2: 53:04

But you have to understand too, like people don't realize that, like voodoo is not something that was practiced by everybody, so there's a lot of people who did not practice voodoo. More people did not practice voodoo than people that did practice voodoo right, and that's a normal thing. There was less mambo and uga, where people practice more surface things in their everyday life, those who could pass down the tradition and pass down knowledge. As mambo and uga, there wasn't a ton you see how it's oversaturated and, of course, a lot of it is fake. It wasn't like a ton you see how it's oversaturated and, of course, a lot of it is fake. It wasn't, uh, like a bunch now in haiti. The reason why voodoo is the way that it is is because haiti was jam-packed that I have to say. So it wasn't the same story when it came to dr.

Speaker 1: 53:49

It just was not and I want to add that too, because people, I don't want people to get in the wrong idea haitian voodoo is a culmination of West African spiritual practices Tainos that were on the island of Haiti, dr Hispaniola, catholicism and you know some occult teachings with the French. So it's a mixture of all that because, remember, we had, like you know, some Freemasons involved and other groups, and we mix all our things together. You know that's what makes it very hot, you know.

Speaker 2: 54:24

I'm saying because that's what I say too. That's what makes it so potent, because a lot of the stuff that got lost in other places survived in haiti. A lot of the stuff, like they'll say, like you know, voodoo came over with the slaves into Haiti and people don't know how they didn't lose the magic, how they preserved the magic where a lot of places it was lost and then the magic got reunited because of the Haitian people. And this is why I tell people like you may not like it where, like, the big ass tree is in haiti right now, that tree, that's what it sits, that potent tree with the, the combination, the like the roots is is voodoo. You know what I mean, because a lot of people who were coming from west africa, coming from benin, they were practitioners that were, you know, and this is getting deep right there were practitioners who were imprisoned and then, you know, trying to force them to forget their magic and then they were sent into slavery. You know what I mean, like we're getting deep, so I'm gonna stop right there.

Speaker 2: 55:30

But, fact is, the reason why haitian voodoo and 21 divisions seem so similar is because it's, and you'll see that there are certain things that are happening in 21 divisions that are shifting, that are even coming closer to looking more like voodoo, and part of that is because it's being popularized, right.

Speaker 1: 55:48

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 55:49

I'm sorry to tell the truth and I know some people don't know no, listen and shout out to those who practice 21 divisions.

Speaker 1: 55:55

I hope you're watching and that you're listening and you know if you do want to come on the show in the email, leave a comment and you know, bring up your perspective, because it's one house with many rooms and, believe it or not, there's no difference. We do the same thing.

Speaker 2: 56:11

Exactly, there is room for everybody, absolutely, and this is why I say with the utmost respect everybody, absolutely. This is why I say with the utmost respect. But you know, if we don't tell the truth about you, know the culture and the spirit and what happened, even though you have some people who know this stuff, it's not like something I'm making up, like you know that nobody does.

Speaker 2: 56:25

you know what I mean. Um, when we, when we don't want, we don't want our culture to be like culture erasure, because a lot of the things that happen with haitian people is we kind of like people take, take our stuff and we don't get any kind of credit for it, and then people look at us like oh, couldn't have been a Haitian people, like they're shocked because, like you know, we kind of just don't speak out and we don't, we just kind of allow for them, you know, to take in. This is what I'm saying. When it came to, comes to the 21 divisions I'm and set up and they taught, like Dominican people, you know voodoo, and it really is the same voodoo.

Speaker 1: 56:59

No difference. Oh my God. Thank you, mamba Rose. We got to have you come back on so we could really, you know, crack the shell on this. This is just an introduction to have you on this platform. You're welcome. I appreciate you for coming. For real, you did your thing. You know, can you tell the people where to reach you at, where to find you at, if they're looking for insight or any services, anything like that, if you I'm not saying you're selling it, but they're looking for help and the people when people reach you yeah, I thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 2: 57:30

You are, honestly, you are one of a very extraordinary person, so it's really a pleasure meeting you. Your respect, your respect alone means so much to me because, like, of course, I'm on social media scene and you get a lot of people, even if they're just kind of trying to get close to you, they'll like say something disrespectful to get your attention and it's really unnecessary and you have no idea with me. You come to me and you just kind of like say hello and I will say hello right back good morning is is replied by good morning, nothing more.

Speaker 2: 58:01

I'm very humble. You know and I love people like you that I could sit and have a conversation and don't feel like you're trying to overpower me because I'm a woman or anything like that.

Speaker 1: 58:05

No, no, no, we don't feel like that. No, I don't feel like that. Over here, everybody, everyone, has a voice. Here I'm all about you know, knowledge, learning and respect, understanding, because that's what we need out here. We don't need no disrespectful people, but if they get disrespectful I'll ignore you, but if I have time to clown you, I will clown you.

Speaker 2: 58:29

You know, that's me, that's me too, so it was such a pleasure. Um. So yeah, guys, I am on instagram kind of barely under priestess rls. I am on tiktok under the mumble rose. Um, if you type in priestess rose, you're gonna see me. Watch out for the scammer pages. They'll follow you back and message you. I will never, ever inbox you about a reading. If you need me, you have to find me. Reach out to me. I always answer. I have an etsy iubob mobile store which, if you're ever in doubt about social media, just hop over to the etsy and message me there if you're looking for services all right, that's that's.

Speaker 1: 59:05

That's peace right there. Thank you for coming out again. Don't forget viewers and listeners comment, like, share, subscribe, super chat and we're gonna have a sister back on here. I'll let you guys know when we do get her back and we're going to go all the way in for more information. Peace we out.

Speaker 2: 59:23

Peace.