What is wrong with Black People? The Psychology Part 1

Ron Brown, "The People's Fitness Professional," sits down with Dr. Paul Dyer, an emotional scientist with four PhDs, to tackle perhaps the most provocative question in racial discourse today: What's wrong with Black people?

The conversation dives deep into uncomfortable truths as Dr. Dyer challenges conventional thinking about systematic racism. Drawing a sharp distinction between historical injustices and present-day reality, he argues that many issues in Black communities stem not from external oppression but from self-limitation and psychological dysfunction. Through the concept of the "mirror effect," he explains how community behaviors perpetuate cycles of chaos that lead to violence, fear, and limited economic progress.

Statistical data provides context as the duo examines how Black Americans represent 12.6% of the population but face disproportionate challenges. Rather than blaming external forces, Dr. Dyer points to patterns of avoidance behavior, impaired planning, social isolation, and reluctance to seek help as key factors holding communities back. "If you're still holding onto things that has happened in the past and bringing forth that ideology to now, that's you doing it. It's not the system doing it," he asserts.

The discussion becomes especially powerful when addressing entrepreneurship and mental health. Dr. Dyer vulnerably shares his own experience seeking treatment for PTSD, emphasizing that vulnerability is necessary for growth: "My life is more important than my ego." This candid exchange challenges listeners to reconsider their beliefs about race, responsibility, and the path forward for Black communities.

Whether you agree with Dr. Dyer's controversial stance or not, this thought-provoking conversation demands engagement with difficult questions about personal agency versus social determinism. Listen now to join this essential dialogue about moving beyond blame toward empowerment and growth.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:09

what's going on. Everybody is ron brown, lmt, the people's fitness professional, aka soul brother number one, reporting for duty, and I am here this evening with dr paul dyer, emotional scientist, and we're here to talk about some things. You know, uh, he's the emotional scientist, his focus is the brain and, uh, you know, and well, the central nervous system, right and, um, you know, I think that, uh, it's important to have this discussion with someone who knows the science, because I'm just trying to figure out right now what is wrong with black people. What is wrong with black people? I would like to know. I am oh, peace, god. Dan X the gold, peace, god, peace, god. Yeah, so I'm just trying to figure this out, because I think we're all really trying to figure this out. So, dr Dyer, you have a slide here, so, before we go into the slide, I want to get your thoughts on this subject and then we'll go right into the slide.

Speaker 2: 1:15

Absolutely. You know, one of the things that this is going to be so controversial amongst black people is that they're not understanding the science, they're not understanding the data, they're not understanding themselves, and you can flip it all three with if you don't understand yourself, then you're never going to understand the science and you're never going to understand the science and you're never going to understand yourself. It's so like a pancake right, and I understood. When people start to dive into the historical issues that Black people have had historically right, and when new people start to become aware of the information that has happened in the past, in their 30s, in their 40s, that they've never known before. I don't know what reason why they didn't know it. I don't know what caused them not to know it, but because they're now knowing it, they're projecting it into a society of the now, and you don't do that with information. You don't do that with information, you don't do that with data, you don't do that with yourself.

Speaker 2: 2:54

So many Black people systematically put themselves into a systematic racism of issues right Like so I'll give you, for instance, we could talk about redlining till the cows come home. It has happened, it did happen. Is it happening now? It's not part of the system. It's just part of the system. It's just part of the history. There's a difference.

Speaker 2: 3:27

So when we talk about national racism and systematic racism, they're not the same. Because national racism, yeah, we have to concede to the fact that there are people who are racist. Okay, oh, I like the Giants. There are people who don't like the Giants. I get it, it's a matter of fandom, right? It's not a fact. You don't like the Giants, I like the Giants, but does that put upon you to say that, historically, we should never like the Giants because of what they did or what sports did with athletics and blacks and things like that? We're way past that. If you're still holding on to a, a, a, a, um, jackie robertson entering the league, which he wasn't the first black person into the league if you're still holding on to when he entered the league and how that was systematically pushed pushed blacks out of the league, we're in 2025.

Speaker 1: 4:49

Right, but wouldn't there be some remnants of that history, kind of like rolling over into the future?

Speaker 2: 4:53

No, there is no rollover. You know, issues roll over because of personal issues, not systematic issues. There is the nuance of the differences. There's no rollover because we have understood what was. We're not going to whitewash our history. That's not the issue. We're not whitewashing our history. That's not the issue. We're not whitewashing our history. We're not whitewashing what has happened to Black people in the past. But the key word is the past and it's now in the future. So if you're still holding on to things that has happened in the past and you are bringing forth that idealization or ideology to now, that's you doing it. It's not the system doing it. So you're still holding on to I didn't get the job because I'm black. You didn't get the job because you're not qualified.

Speaker 1: 6:17

Well, in some cases, you are qualified for the job. However, they are going to cater to their demographic and I noticed, I learned that in the fitness industry. So, like I'll be one which you want to call black man, in the fitness industry doing what I do, however, there's like 10 Italian people, let's say, for instance, in a highly Italian populated area, they're going to pick the Italian before they pick me. Now, it could be because they want to cater to the demographic as well.

Speaker 2: 6:55

Yeah, but that's more tribalism than is racism. Certain people will like to stick with their own. That isn't racism, that's tribalism.

Speaker 1: 7:06

Wouldn't that be also biasness, though, yeah?

Speaker 2: 7:10

Well, you can call it biasness, but sometimes certain people like to stick together. The problem we have with black people is that they don't stick together, so they feel like it's against them.

Speaker 3: 7:21

That's a double-edged sword, Dr Dyer Peace.

Speaker 2: 7:26

Peace, mikey, because what I'm saying is that Italians will visit Italian shops, no matter how far they like their Italian shops, and they will support their Italian shops. Black people don't support each other, so they think it's systematic racism because there's no shops in their area. Well, that sounds like a you problem, because you could go to a black shop. You just don't want to drive, you just don't want to transport yourself, you just don't want to take the time out for your travel. That's a personal problem travel.

Speaker 1: 8:07

That's a personal problem. Well, I do want to make. I want to make it, I want to make this statement that, uh, due to systematic racism, at a certain point in history, that did exist, that did put our people behind correct, there were, there were roadblocks, there were detours, there were all these things that were put in front of.

Speaker 2: 8:29

You're correct about that.

Speaker 1: 8:30

Right. So that's another thing I'm talking about as far as rollover, because now we are feeling the remnants of what happened there in the past. By not having certain businesses and things like that. We're not able pardon me, we're not able to come together to unify.

Speaker 2: 8:51

No, if you're not able to come together unified, that's a you problem, that's a we problem. That's an us problem.

Speaker 3: 9:02

Can I add to that, dr Dyer, before you proceed To credit to what Ron is saying, the traumas of systemic racism and what Black people have endured, that the ghost of the slave field still echoes on the conditions, the lessons that have been passed down. And I get what you're saying. We are in the future of 2025. It's years over, but those old, the future of 2025, you know years over, but those old feelings people hold on to them, those old, it still resonates.

Speaker 1: 9:32

Yes On television.

Speaker 3: 9:33

You know police shootings and stuff like that. We should be outraged. You know when crime happens in our community also.

Speaker 2: 9:38

So the residents. If you're going to hold on to all the residents, then when do you move forward? That's like saying I was in a divorce, I got divorced, I will never marry again. That seems absolutely ridiculous. Because it didn't work out, for whatever reason, it doesn't mean you should never have another mate again. So if you're going to apply residence to your life, then when do you move forward?

Speaker 3: 10:08

that's a personal issue you're right, you're right, you're right about that. But, um, yeah, you're right about that, you know. But then you gotta look at the um, the education system too. It conditions the people take a certain way, like you know that. This is why it's important that we appreciate groups like the moors and others who tell people that your history, the genesis of your history, is not slavery. So you know, when a child goes to school, the first thing they learn about is george washington, christopher columbus, and then there was slavery and lincoln freed the slaves. So that's their first introduction to find a place in this world. You understand, like, say, if they don't have knowledge of self and their parents or whatnot, that's what they believe. Like, you know, I'm born black, I'm, I'm destined for failure and such and such but you're not destined for failure.

Speaker 2: 11:00

That's the the problem. You were destined because of a situation that happened in the time it happened. Moving forward, let's move forward. If you're still resonating with what has happened in the past and you're holding on to it like an anchor, then you're never moving forward. Then you're never moving forward. You're going to stay stuck. You're going to stay stuck in your own mental defect your own emotional defect.

Speaker 1: 11:34

Okay, yeah, you're speaking about it from an emotional sciences perspective. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, okay, so now you have a slide presentation here, so I'm going to open this up. Okay, so now you have a slide, a slide presentation here, so I'm going to open this up, okay.

Speaker 2: 11:48

So let's look at we have to look at this. So the percentage of population? Right, we're about 12, 12.6. Everybody can see 12.6 of a population of in the United States, which is about 300 million people. Right, so, with the population, understanding what a populace is, right? So, because when you look at the other data that I'm going to put towards you, it's going to resonate that how's that systematically, when you're doing it to yourself? Right, population, knowing what your population is of the whole of 300 million 59% white, 18.9% Hispanic and Latino. Right, and let's go to the next one. Oh, I don't know if that's so.

Speaker 2: 12:55

When we talk about what the psychology is of the population, we have what you call the mirror effect. Individuals unconsciously imitate the behaviors and emotions and attitudes those around them Significantly influences the social interactions of self-perception. So in your neighborhood you are mirroring the effects of who these people are and what they contribute to. A society effect effect. You're doing it. You can say I don't want to be that person. I don't want to be that heroin addict, I don't want to be that crack addict. I don't want to be that type of person. I want to move above it. That has nothing to do with systematic. If you adhere to the mirror effect, then you see yourself as that.

Speaker 2: 14:07

That doesn't happen in white neighborhoods. That doesn't happen in other neighborhoods who are quiet. Remember, black neighborhoods are very loud and noisy. Paper on how chaos is created by the environment, but it's also generated by the people in the environment. To try to drown out the noise that creates more chaos. The loud music, the loud talking they say well, that's how black people talk, that's how we communicate, ok, it's not working. Ok, the loud communication across the street, among the street, in the house, doesn't create a harmonious atmosphere for calmness. It generates a chaotic atmosphere for you to fall into a fear-based mode fight or flight dr dyer, basically you say you become a product of your, of your environment.

Speaker 3: 15:19

Basically you.

Speaker 2: 15:20

You can become a product of your environment if you adhere to the mirror effect.

Speaker 2: 15:27

But, if you don't want to, it's a choice. If you don't believe, you have a choice, that's not systematic. No white person put that on you. You did that. No white person put that on you. You did that. If your streets are dirty, you did that because we could clean up our neighborhoods. But if it's just trash on trash, we did that. How does white people say? How does white people tell us to throw trash on our streets? White people don't tell us to do that. White people don't say this is to blare our music from our cars and from our households. White people don't tell us to do that. So why do we do it? We do it because we do it and it creates the chaos. There's no bloods and crypts in white neighborhoods. Why is that? It's not because they're not looking for the money. They're looking for the chaos, to control the chaos and to prosper from the chaos.

Speaker 2: 16:37

Gang violence happens in chaos. Gang violence doesn't happen in non-chaos environment. It happens in chaos environment. That's where it breeds. So that's not systematic, that's opportune. That's an opportunistic. That's capitalism. Actually, you know, gangs look at things as opportunistic as capitalism. I'm going to feed off of this so I can gain from this. That's capitalism. How's that systematic?

Speaker 3: 17:14

Hmm, wow.

Speaker 1: 17:19

That's a good point. That's a good point. But you're also talking about, you know, that part or that sec of the community now, and we're talking about gangbangers. But what about the other parts of the community that aren't part of that? Yeah, exactly, you know, the majority of the community is actually not into criminal activity.

Speaker 2: 17:44

And exactly why do they let it happen?

Speaker 1: 17:47

Because normally they are afraid. Some people are afraid.

Speaker 2: 17:58

So if you keep people in a fear-based living social environment, then they will only react into survival mode. We know that part of the brain. If I can keep you in survival, then you can only adhere to the power structure. Who has the power Now? Who has the education? Who has the knowledge power now? Who has the education? Who has the knowledge? Who has the power to control my life or death? You adhere to that. That's what you are. That's what you're basing your living substance about. I'm going to walk this certain way because I don't want to disturb the violence that could come upon me. So you allow it to happen as long as you say nothing.

Speaker 1: 19:00

Right, but then there's a cold in the hood and all of that about. You know you can't snitch, and all that as well.

Speaker 2: 19:07

So that's bullshit, and that's why, and that's why systematic racism doesn't apply. Right, that's a fear base. So if you, if you're going to, if you're going to call snitches, get stitches and all that stuff, then you are hearing to your own demise in your own environment, in your own fear.

Speaker 3: 19:30

You're right about that, because that was taught to us since nursery. Remember um tattletaler?

Speaker 1: 19:36

Yeah, yeah, and actually that's my my. My pop raised me like that, Don't snitch. Like he was serious about that. It's like if you get in trouble with your friend, if y'all do something and you get in trouble with your friend, then you get popped you go to jail, Eat them 30 years alone.

Speaker 1: 20:02

Yup Now logically does that make sense um, I would say this it does why? Because if I'm doing a crime, I know what I'm getting into. I know what I'm getting myself into. So if I'm getting into a crime with someone else and I get caught and that other person doesn't get caught, then that's on me at the end of the day.

Speaker 2: 20:29

Because you were in a crime.

Speaker 1: 20:31

Yeah, I got it. I was aware of what I was doing. I know if I did this crime I'm going to get caught.

Speaker 2: 20:42

So where's that systematic, where's the systematic racism in that?

Speaker 1: 20:46

The systematic racism in that would be. You know, that's on us.

Speaker 2: 20:54

Right, that sounds like it's on us.

Speaker 3: 20:58

But you know, dr Dyer is not to play devil's advocate and I'm glad you mentioned that. You, you know, gangs were birthed from chaos, right, a lot of the times within that chaos, as they said, it birthed gangs, but it also gave birth to tribalism and family, because some of these individuals that come from these, that are part of these gangs, either come from broken homes or victims of you know whatever sexual assault and they find others to gather with outside of their family.

Speaker 2: 21:30

But we're not the only people that suffer this.

Speaker 3: 21:33

No, no, of course.

Speaker 2: 21:34

Let's not get it twisted Like we're the only people that suffers sexual molestation or mental disorder or drug addiction Responsible families. We're not, we're not, we're not. So if we extrapolate that, remember people. I'm going to tell you something, being an emotional scientist. Being a scientist, I do research on all platforms, on all levels.

Speaker 2: 22:03

So it's not like I'm getting a source from a source platforms on all levels so it's not like I'm getting a source from a source. I'm getting sources from many different sources to put together my data. It's not just our data, it's not just from the senses, it's not just from hearsay. I've been on the ground, I've talked to people, I've interviewed people. I've talked to people. I remember an incident when I was in Baltimore where a Baltimore PD detectives a lot of shootings that happened in the streets. They would actually call me down and it was a young boy that was lying in the streets, 14 years old. He got shot down by another somebody else Right and this mother came in and and this was like 1 am this mother came and she's sprawling all over her child saying I can't believe my child is shot. What are you going to do about it? First of all, where were you when he's 14, being out at 1 am?

Speaker 1: 23:11

real quick. Hold that thought because I want to address this question. Um, there's a court, there's a statement down here and statement here. So personal. Now, this is a good point. Personal responsibility versus social responsibility is not an either or dichotomy. Settler colonialism removed our autonomy and have used systematic oppression to destruct our communities. Hence, this is why we're in a position where we have to create gangs and things like that to survive. So this is a great point. So, um, um, another thing, um, uh, uh, from create my boy cosmology bay. I think that's cosmology bay.

Speaker 1: 23:55

What's up, brother, haven't seen you on here in a while. Where you been? Uh, the actual lesson was oh, you on, because Paul Dyer's on. Okay, now I get it All. Right, you like Dr Paul Dyer? Okay, the actual lesson was if you get in trouble by yourself, there will be nobody to tell on you. Right, there we go, there we go. Do my dirt about my lonely Peace, my lonely um uh piece. The last. Last year there were 377 murders in in nyc 60, 70, 80s and 90s we were averaging uh, 1800. The fair is captured on video and monetized by the media.

Speaker 3: 24:42

Boom, boom and I wanted to add this, dr, before you continue. I'm not trying to make this a struggle, olympics as a saying, blacks are the only one who have these issues, because problems don't have any borders. It touches all communities. But within our community, as cosmology say, we had many onslaughts placed upon us. You understand what I'm saying, like the influx of crack, heroin, like somehow the drugs and diseases always find a way to our community.

Speaker 2: 25:14

Okay, so, mikey, have you done crack.

Speaker 3: 25:20

Hell no.

Speaker 2: 25:21

Okay, that seems fascinating because we know Mikey Fever grew up in a situation that is not healthy. If you listen to Mikey Fever, if you heard him speak, if you heard Ron Brown speak, they've grown up in situations in neighborhoods, neighborhoods that was afflicted by all the bullshit, and yet I wonder how come they're not crack addicts.

Speaker 3: 25:55

Because crack is whack. Wait a minute.

Speaker 2: 25:58

So you're saying it's a choice it is a choice yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1: 26:03

It's a choice if you're weak.

Speaker 2: 26:04

So you can't blame it on systematic racism, because it's a choice. Yeah, for sure it's a choice if you're weak, okay. So you can't blame it on systematic racism, because it's a choice. Now, I understand that most people have a low mental dimension on their thought process because they've grown up in chaos and they have very few adaptations to have a prefrontal cortex to allow them to what you call be deductive reasoning, which is caused by the mirror effect. So I'm going to just associate myself with people I see who I think I want to belong to, but that's a mental defect.

Speaker 2: 26:46

Now, if you're just learning about your African history or the black history and all the things that happened in the past, yes, it's detrimental, yes, it's horrific. Again, we're not whitewashing the history of America. We're talking about your choices that you're making now, which is I don't think this is showing up too well. But here the black people make up 12.2% of the US population, right Out of the population. 26.6 total arrests include 51.2% of the murder arrests. The murder arrest is not against other white people or other people, it's against each other. So how?

Speaker 3: 27:47

is that systematic.

Speaker 2: 27:49

If we're murdering ourselves, if we're murdering other people, then we have a problem and it can be solved, but we're murdering ourselves. We're not even murdering other. We're not murdering Jews, we're not murdering Islamic, we're not murdering white people, we're murdering Islamic. We're not murdering white people, we're murdering ourselves. That's not systematic, that's problematic Urban cleansing.

Speaker 3: 28:18

Self-hatred that's what it is Not taken correctly. It's self-hatred, that's what it is Not taking it correctly.

Speaker 2: 28:24

It's self-hatred, and that self-hatred comes with when you look at 2023, the shooting revealed in complex pictures. Approximately 40 percent of civilians shot being white. Forty percent. No one ever talks about that in a black community. Now they have the majority of people, but 40% of them are being shot. 20% is black, but we only highlight the blacks being shot. Whites are being doubled and being shot.

Speaker 1: 29:03

Well, I would say the reason would be because of what you stated earlier, as in uh um, the white population is more than double in the black population right, but when you take 20 percent of blacks being shot and 40 so we can't say blacks are being shot more than whites.

Speaker 2: 29:25

That's a lie. White people are being shot by cops too. By double by double. That whitewashes or cancels out the police are only hunting blacks. That's not true. They're shooting people. 40% of them are white.

Speaker 3: 29:52

Dr Dyer, I agree with what you're saying, going off the data and statistics that you show. But you know I'm going to say this and again, this is my perspective from my observation, not Ron Brown's or Dr Dyer's. I believe the black struggle became profitable. Brown's on Dr Dyer's I believe the black struggle became profitable. It's romanticized.

Speaker 2: 30:11

It's romanticized by blacks, not by whites.

Speaker 1: 30:14

Here's the thing I think, both I think both White corporations, white media corporations, sensationalize and they make profit off of it.

Speaker 2: 30:27

I was getting to that, ron Black. People have been the most studied of people, types of people. Throughout history. They've been the most studied of who, what, why, when, how, when. All that stuff, what, why, when, how, when, all that stuff, all those things that you think, you think you're doing. It's been studied, it's been outlined, it's been an outliner and it has been social media and captured into a profit form. But we allow it to happen when we do it to ourselves, when we have rap people with their pants sagging in their way, sensationalizing, calling our own women bitches and hoes. Is that white people saying that they should use those lyrics?

Speaker 3: 31:36

it could be a corporation behind them. Tell them to go ahead and push it yeah if you're an artist, you adhere to that.

Speaker 2: 31:44

Is that a white person?

Speaker 3: 31:46

if you want to get, I get what. You're an artist you adhere to that. Is that a white person? If you want to get, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 31:50

A hundred percent. If you're going to adhere to that because of the monetary value, then you're selling out your own self to the black community, which is the problem, can I say?

Speaker 3: 32:04

can I add on to that what you're saying? As we said, executives are behind them who told them we will market you, we, you get a bigger bag, as they put it, more, more financial funding. But yes, we do it to ourselves, because I'm not criticizing another brother out here. I'm not a fan of tyler perry's art because I think to me it's pure coonery and it you know he found his niche. It always paint people in a bad light and I think it's time to youery. And you know he found his niche. It always picked people in a bad light and I think it's time to you know I'm with you with that. We got to change our narrative, tyler.

Speaker 2: 32:33

Perry is having black people dancing in blackface. That's what he does. And the buffoonery and the socialization he has with black people I disagree with. I disagree with how he is sexualizing and pimping them out. I think there's an issue with that. Um, but black people don't see it. They see it as comedy. They see it as some type. I don't know how you see yourself as comedy. If you see yourself as comedy, then you're a comic. I'm not a comic.

Speaker 3: 33:08

It's the sense that we have been to synthesize as well. They synthesize as well within our community, where we we find our pain to be relatable and entertaining.

Speaker 2: 33:20

Yeah Cause, with a coon dancing on the box, shucking and jiving.

Speaker 1: 33:25

We're the coon dancing on the box, shucking and jiving.

Speaker 2: 33:27

We're shucking and jiving, and as long as we get our money. Yes, sir, I'm going to dance.

Speaker 3: 33:36

Come on now and I want to add it and they tried to disrespect NYP to Cisco. Sit on DJ Vlad's couch. Don't think I didn't hear. I'm listening. Let's leave it.

Speaker 1: 33:49

You know what I'm talking about, Ron. You know what I'm talking about, Ron. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 33:52

You know what I'm talking about, ron. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 33:55

You got to. Let me know later. Let me know later. But so now back to where we were going with this. Now you have more of a slide right now. Um, I have questions, but if you want to go to the slide, let's go there no, I have questions okay, as an emotional scientist, how do we define psychology, psychological trouble, in the black community?

Speaker 2: 34:19

well, I was actually in the end of this slide. I was gonna get to that because we're so delusional about a disillusion. We're so delusional about our illusion. We're so disillusioned by our illusion of who we are, okay, okay, the reason why we are so, we have such an illusion of who we are, is because, one, most people never knew our history and when they find out our history, they're thinking they're projecting the 1866 history on the 2025 history. That's not the case. Like I put that, okay, the 2025 history.

Speaker 1: 35:07

That's not the case, like I put that Okay.

Speaker 2: 35:12

All right, right, you have an opportunity. We all have an opportunity to become more than what we are, and it's in our opportunity that creates a human, civic being that can prosper or have a demise. Everyone has the same option. We have the same educational option as the other. We have the same welfare option as the other. We have the same welfare option as the other. We have the same wealth option as the other. We just don't grab a hold of it together. That's our disillusion. Like to invest in a black owned company. I don't know if they're going to succeed. What does it have to do you investing? I'm trying to make money. Okay, I get it. You're trying to make money. That's capitalism, I get it. I believe in that. I totally believe in that. I totally believe in people making money. But your morality statement is you believe in that. I totally believe in people making money, but your morality statement is you believe in black people, but you won't invest. Interesting, interesting.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Wow, sui Lee, where you been? Everybody's coming out for Dr Paul Dyer, the, what you call it, the old, the old heads for nyp, the beginners, like the people from back when we first started. What's up, suey lee, and and creative, uh, creator of the boundaries universe. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, parley.

Speaker 2: 37:07

But to be a quality person takes what Quality investment If you don't invest in your own personal child and if you don't invest in your own personal neighborhood, your community? I'm not saying invest in $1,000. I'm talking about. I have an idea. I want to do this. I want to start a podcast. I think it would be this how about $5? I don't know about that, but they'll give $5 to Starbucks, okay. So how is that systematic?

Speaker 3: 37:52

Because it's tangible, because you know people like the finished product. We're accustomed to finished product. Everything is instant gratification.

Speaker 2: 38:02

We're accustomed to finished product, because we're accustomed to slave mentality. I'm willing to work for the master because I know the outcome. I'm not willing to invest in my person. Who ran away, who might succeed?

Speaker 3: 38:23

Hmm, damn, that's dope Dyer.

Speaker 1: 38:35

All right, now I want to go with the next question what unique emotional patterns and mental health challenges have you observed among Black people, compared to other groups?

Speaker 2: 38:47

So let's go back to this slide. Then there is a so who controls the wealth? I'm not going to get into that. We're going to go into examples of psychology of dysfunction. Examples of psychology of dysfunction behavior as maladaptive coping, decreasing motivation, confidence and engaging with life opportunities.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Hold on, damn that kind of like. That's like spot on right there.

Speaker 3: 39:50

Okay, that's like spot on right there. Okay, that's deep. Did he freeze up? I believe he froze up you okay?

Speaker 2: 40:02

no, I'm here. I just want you to let that sink in, because when we talk about impaired ability to think and plan, it goes back to entrepreneurship. Many blacks have a fear of entrepreneurship. They would rather work hard for 80 hours a week than come up with a fucking idea that's true yo for real man up with a fucking idea.

Speaker 1: 40:28

That's true, Yo, for real man. Yeah, I see it with my family. That whole thing is like go to. You know, either work for the government or go to school. Go to school, it's stable, it's stable.

Speaker 3: 40:46

You know what's so crazy I could be at. My father was an entrepreneur. One of the key words I used was and he had multiple businesses until his final one collapsed. And he always used to say that, yeah, I want you to go to school, get your education, but after a while I want you to open your own business.

Speaker 2: 41:03

You know what's scary about you, mikey, is open your own business. You know what's scary about you, mikey, is that because you're from Haiti, outside of the American African culture. I know you were born here, but your father is from Haiti and they always thought about owning their own. Most American African Americans or American Africans who were born here, they can't see themselves owning anything that has nothing to do with the white man. It is a fear.

Speaker 3: 41:41

I don't know. I hear what you're saying, but I disagree because I know a lot of Americans.

Speaker 2: 41:45

I'm talking percentage oh.

Speaker 3: 41:50

Percentage. I know a lot of Americans that own businesses too, Dr Dyer, that I come across.

Speaker 1: 41:58

And you know what? One person that lit the fire underneath me to start my own business is my pop. My pop is an entrepreneur. Yeah, but the rest of my family, the rest of my as he said, percentage, the rest of my family government jobs.

Speaker 3: 42:19

Same thing here. They get government jobs. That's it bro, stay there. You know you're right about that, because you know, um, although I may work in the corporate world, I always go in like some kind of art, like a 1099 on my own thing, like a cdc, like you pay me, you know, and still then it feels awkward sometimes, you know, but it's a business agreement, but it's still so awkward, like you know, because I want my own building, you know Right.

Speaker 2: 42:50

But if you look at the avoidance behavior of chronic fear of threats, that's black, systematic behavior to themselves. Right, I don't want to be better than a white man because the white man may burn me out, so I'd rather not do and just work for him and make him rich.

Speaker 3: 43:33

Right.

Speaker 2: 43:38

But because I've also seen how, when I ask my family and friends for support, they don't support me, they ridicule me. So it goes back to the chronic fear and threats. See again, that's systematic racism against ourselves.

Speaker 1: 44:00

All right, we got somebody in the chat N-O-K. N-o-k. Who are you, n-o-k? Is this a dummy account? That's my question for N-O-K. N-o-k. Who are you? N-o-k. Is this a dummy account? That's my question for n-o-k. N-o-k. Are you somebody I'm familiar with with a dummy account? Uh, anyway, without a comprehensive social theory that addresses the underlying issues of our psychological dysfunction sounds like tough hate disguised as love. Capitalism is fundamentally racist in practice.

Speaker 2: 44:37

Okay, Okay, let's break that down. I really I've heard this question phrased a different way. Issue of psychological dysfunction sounds like tough hate. I don't want to be your tough-sounding psychological doctor, but you are basing your life existence on fear Because you're asking it from a fear-based idealization and in that statement you're afraid and in this statement suggests fear.

Speaker 3: 45:38

Okay.

Speaker 2: 45:40

Because what you're saying is that you're just afraid to fall in love again Because you've been hurt before and and putting into romantic terms, then you would never have a great love ever again. I had a great love. It left me. I don't know if I could do it ever again okay, I want to go on to the next question.

Speaker 1: 46:12

So do you believe these issues are primarily individual, cultural or well, you already said that. Okay, how does the legacy?

Speaker 2: 46:21

of. Well, there it is. Look up culturally, you read it right. Culturally identify rejection, den, denial or rejection of own culture embracing dominant group world view. They can't see a world view.

Speaker 1: 46:46

So wouldn't that be basically taking on the mindset of white supremacy, or a white worldview.

Speaker 2: 46:54

No, we're taking our own view. We have to stop thinking we're climbing over white supremacy and just climbing. When you beat someone in a race, you're not beating them because you're faster than them. You're just trying to be faster and you just so happen to be faster than them. If you're only racing to be faster than them, then you're going to eventually lose them. Then you're going to eventually lose. If you're working on being faster to your capacity, then beat whoever you beat. It's not because they're not fast, it's because you're working on your capacity to be fast. Hussein Bolt just is fast. He's not faster than other people, he's flipping fast right.

Speaker 1: 47:55

So he's not looking to be faster than the white man. He's looking to be just as fast the fastest person on the planet. It doesn't matter who's in front of him, on the side of him he's just working on being fast.

Speaker 2: 48:13

If you're always constantly being faster than another person, then you're going to eventually slow down.

Speaker 1: 48:21

Yeah, I like that idea.

Speaker 3: 48:24

Yeah, see no competition. You're in your own competition.

Speaker 2: 48:28

Increased risk of heart disease, obesity and substance abuse. How many black people is? Statistically, it's very high, because we already know that from what my previous statement is is that we abuse up 12% American people. White people make up 56% and we abuse it the most out of our percentage. Okay.

Speaker 3: 49:04

It all comes down to the marketing and narrative, because it's cool. If you listen to today's lyrics and songs, you know they tell them to take prescription pills and drink this and drink that, down to marketing alcohol and all that but here's a tricky question for you though, mike is it that they're trying to socially engineer our people to do that, or they're just catering? To the community Catering Run Run.

Speaker 1: 49:37

You got to listen to what I'm saying. Let me say it Are they? What did I say?

Speaker 3: 49:46

Social engineering.

Speaker 1: 49:48

Are they socially engineering our people to do this, or are they just meeting the needs of the people? Are we?

Speaker 2: 49:59

animals in a cage. Are you an animal in a cage?

Speaker 3: 50:04

No, physically no, but many are in a mine.

Speaker 2: 50:06

Okay, well, again you're making my point, mikey. That's not systematic, that's a you problem. We're trying to free your minds, to free your body. Malcolm x said it, people have said it, garver said it, people have said it free your minds so you can free yourself. If you're still caged mind, then you're a slave. You're a slave to what you call the systematic issues of roadblocks. Roadblocks going to give you detour signs. Right, they're not going to give you a harder test in education than anyone else If you don't study for it. That sounds like you made the test harder for yourself If you're not going to prepare yourself, whether it be physically, mentally, spiritually. You made it harder. I didn't make it harder, I just created a roadblock. But if you're going to make it hard on yourself, then don't study for it, don't prepare for it, don't train for it, don't ask help for it. If you're not going to do all those things, yes, it's hard.

Speaker 3: 51:26

Dr Dyer, I'm not trying to go down a pseudo route, but don't you believe that black people have an addictive personality receptors in their mind that embraces these drugs like menthol and stuff like that?

Speaker 2: 51:43

You asked me a question I did do a study on about addictive personalities because of the slave mind, and the slave mind will produce addictive personalities. So it's almost like who has the slave mind and who doesn't have the slave mind. So my always perspective was let's educate them so they have the information, so now they can have a real choice, so they can get out of the slave mind, so they won't be predicated on slave mentality and be constricted on what has been introduced in their life. So the short answer is you have a choice. You're either going to learn or you're not. You're going to train or you're not're either going to learn or you're not. You're going to train or you're not. You're going to prepare or you're not. I don't know what else to tell people, except if you're not going to train, learn, educate and prepare, then you're stuck in your own systematic racism in your own mind, and that's what's really incarcerating you. So you are, you're already incarcerated.

Speaker 3: 52:58

And also I believe I think Ron can attest to this as well Our people are Some are addicted to drama and trauma.

Speaker 2: 53:07

If you go right now, that's the chaos, that's the chaos.

Speaker 3: 53:10

Exactly drama and trauma. If you go right now, that's the chaos. That's exactly. If you go on tiktok right now, on ig, there's. There is always some kind of live going. When people are constantly cursing at each other, they trauma bond. They go back to cursing and threatening one another like it can never be a civil discourse. You know there's a lot of irrationality involved and the toxicity must seep into that. There's no logic behind it.

Speaker 2: 53:37

Well, if you look down at the fourth thing, of course, social isolation is reduce help, seeking avoidance of community support If you don't know what you're doing. If you think you know what you're doing, how about ask for support? How about ask for help? If you're going to not consistently and not ask for help and say I got this, I'm all this, I am this, I am that and persona of a machoism, you're going to end up in prison or dead.

Speaker 1: 54:19

You're right. You know what though? Social isolation Now for me? Right, I try to not try, but I have a support and a network For me. Right, I try to not try, but you know, I have like a support, like a network, but it's like for me it's hard to ask or like to tell other men my problems, because other men have their own problems.

Speaker 3: 54:44

Same thing yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:46

You know it's hard to you know what I mean, especially in a black community, where it's like you know, I got my own shit going on. You know what I mean. Like I ain't trying to hear your problems. I got my own shit going on.

Speaker 2: 54:58

So it's like but if you don't tell your problems to a person, then they won't feel that they could tell their problems to a person.

Speaker 3: 55:07

I have that problem and I'm going to be real, I'm going to be uncandid. I had a fender bender, like a week or two ago, still recovering, and I think Ron was like the second person. I called and I was like damn, how do I explain this? You know this is going to sound crazy, you know, but I felt like human at that moment. Like you know, you could talk to other people but like talk to a brother.

Speaker 3: 55:31

I was like this is going to sound crazy and it just felt like, you know, at first I tried to be macho about it, but I felt like damn man, what is going on? And he was just telling me things. He'd been there, this and that, and I was like man. I got to figure this out.

Speaker 2: 55:55

I was just in a hospital from PTSD, having an issue with my brain neurological firing that was going, all kinds of craziness and I put myself in the hospital until we figure out what is going to be good for me Medication, whatever helps me, going to see myself, being healthy. I know I didn't feel healthy. I know I wasn't healthy, I know I was not in a good mental space for reasons, but I put myself in the hospital because I'm asking for help and I'm not going to leave until I get the help I, I, I received. If I don't do that, then I'm not here. I'm not the person I want to be. I'm not living the life I I'm chosen to live. So I, I, if you, I I'm okay with feeling vulnerable or whatever how you want to call it, because my life is more important than my ego.

Speaker 1: 57:00

That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. You know, I went through something similar, you know. So I won't say what would happen with me, whatever. But yeah, yeah, I decided, you know I'm not going to tough it out that day. No, I'm not toughing it out today. I'm going to get some help, you know. But the next one, what was the next one? We got about two more minutes. We're going to have to do a part two of this. This is a very important subject. You have a lot of Slides prepared, but I guess we would have to conclude now, unless, dr Paul Dyer, you have anything else to say.

Speaker 2: 57:43

No, what I want to say Is that there's no such thing as systematic racism. If you think there is, you're stuck in a cage, you're stuck, you're stuck, and just you. Thinking that there's systematic racism means you should ask for help you know that yo, that was funny.

Speaker 1: 58:12

On that note, man, thank you, dr Paul Dyer, for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Thank you, doc. Hold on, black psychology is a severe trauma base. I think that's what Dr Paul Dyer was alluding to at some point. This dude sounds like he's Okay.

Speaker 3: 58:33

So Somebody's just not agreeing. Who doesn't know?

Speaker 1: 58:36

Yeah, immature comment, doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 58:43

Read it, read it, read it.

Speaker 1: 58:45

This dude sounds like he still needs medical assistance.

Speaker 2: 58:54

That's what it said, yeah.

Speaker 3: 58:56

Because of the difference in the narrative.

Speaker 2: 59:01

I'll talk to this person because there are probably many people out there who may feel the same way. I'm probably the most black unicorn person that you will ever meet. Not only do I hold four PhDs, five masters, four undergrads, been in the military for 15 years, studied human behavior, studied the science of physics and mental health and brain science, but I also apply it to the physical paralysis of human beings that are living on the streets. If you think that I am wrong, I'm not asking you to say why I'm wrong. I'm asking you to produce more data that you would say that this refutes what he has said. That's all because I'm as a scientist, I'm willing to listen to other data that someone may come up with.

Speaker 2: 1:00:05

I don't know. Maybe I didn't read that study, Maybe I didn't see that study, Maybe I didn't come across that study. I would love to know what study you're referring to. That will allow you to allude to your statement. But if you're only going to allude to your statement for your own emotional, personal feelings, then that makes sense, Because emotionally and feelingly you're stuck in chains.

Speaker 1: 1:00:39

Yeah, and okay, are you? Were you just hold on and okay, is this a dummy account? Is this your second YouTube page? And okay, I believe it is. I believe it is, I think it is. If this is your second account, n-o-k. I know who you are.

Speaker 2: 1:01:01

Look at you, little detective.

Speaker 1: 1:01:06

Hold on. I can list a plethora of citations, but that's not the real issue with you denying systematic racism. Okay, and okay, and okay, come back. We're going to do this again, part two. We're going to keep going on with this discussion and pretty much that's it. Man. Peace to everybody on the chat. I really appreciate you. Thank you, dr Dyer, for coming out this evening. Mikey Fever and we are out of here. Peace, thank you.