Why shouldn’t we call ourselves black Part 4+ - Abdullah Bey & Yisrael Bey

From the familiar sight of Shriners in their distinctive fezzes to the forgotten history of powerful Moorish empires, there's a hidden story waiting to be reclaimed. Abdullah Bay and Yassril guide us through a meticulously researched presentation that challenges everything we thought we knew about identity and history.

This deep dive begins with the Sankofa bird—an African symbol representing the importance of retrieving what's been lost from our past—as we explore how Moorish cultural elements have been appropriated while the descendants of Moors were disconnected from their heritage. Through remarkable visual evidence, the hosts reveal how European organizations not only adopted Moorish attire, emblems, and even names, but fought legally to prevent African Americans from using these same cultural elements that were their birthright.

Most striking is the documentation of a 1929 Supreme Court case where European Shriners sought to block Prince Hall Shriners from wearing the fez and using Moorish symbols—a stark example of how systematic the disconnection from Moorish identity has been. The presentation carefully traces Moorish history from the 7th century forward, documenting powerful caliphates and empires that once dominated the Mediterranean, controlled parts of Europe, and maintained diplomatic relations with European powers for centuries.

What emerges is a compelling argument for why the term "Black" cannot reconnect people with their sovereign past. Abdullah Bay makes a powerful point: "Black does not realign us to this pre-existing Moorish sovereignty... we won't be able to realign to this pre-existing Moorish power, sovereign power."

Whether you're interested in hidden history, questions of identity, or understanding how past conquests shape present realities, this episode offers profound insights that will transform how you see both history and contemporary identity politics. Visit moorsandmacestreet.org to explore this topic further and discover Abdullah Bay's comprehensive work on Moorish heritage.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

all right, what's going on? Everybody out there is ron brown, lmt the people's fitness professional reporting for duty, and, uh, we got the brothers back, abdullah bay and yassril, in the building. Today we're going to go over the same thing we did the last time. We didn't get to get through the whole presentation because there were questions in the chat and then, you know, I wanted to make sure I addressed the questions. Today we're going to go through the slide. One thing I want to say, though I didn't realize you brothers actually, you know know, take the time out to come up with presentations for this, like I. You know I wasn't. You know, I thought y'all already had a cock, you know, in the, in the archives, ready to, ready to go, but it looks like you take time out to do this. So I wanted to ask y'all, am I correct?

Speaker 1: 1:04

correct yeah, okay, okay. So I didn't see, I had no idea. So all right, we're gonna go straight into it. Let's get to it.

Speaker 2: 1:12

All right, here we go part four, why we shouldn't call ourselves black. Reclaiming the stolen legacy. This is the Sankofa bird. The Sankofa bird is a principle used by the Ghanaians. In Ghanaian culture that represents, I guess, looking back into the past. It means to look back into the past and get what you left, you know, to correct mistakes you know, etc. So in this situation we have the Sankofa bird what you left, you know, to correct mistakes you know, et cetera. So in this situation we have the Sankofa bird looking back to Grebizmor's nationality, nationality. The Sankofa bird is standing on nationality. Nationality is interrelated to the following principles National self-consciousness, national consciousness, national pride, national culture, national character, national coat of arms, national seal, national flag, self-governance, national sovereignty, constitutional self-governance, constitutional name, diplomatic protection, treaty protection, consular relations, self-determination, national name and national identity. So these people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural attire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors. These people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural Tire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Real quick, real quick all trolls. I'm blocking all trolls. I'm blocking all trolls. As soon as you start trolling, I'm blocking you. You're banned. I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 2: 3:08

So these people are not imposters. They are wearing the cultural attire fads of their ancient Moorish ancestors. The pants of the Moorish origin in Spain, picture to the left. The influence of Moorish culture on spanish clothing traditions is evident in various garments, including certain styles of pants such as the sarau right, that's, uh, the the picture right here to the left, but the more. And then you have the spanish version called breeches.

Speaker 2: 3:42

Spanish breeches, also called reguscos, and it says evolution in Germany. In Germany they evolved into a stat well, pardon me, spanish breeches. These breeches were short and loose, fitting, often padded and roundish, reaching the mid thighs or knees. Evolution in Germany. In Germany they evolved into a style that was more akin to harem pants, hanging down rather than being stuffed. So the Spanish introduced the style of breeches or pants to Germany.

Speaker 2: 4:14

Knickerbocker, 1831, descendant of Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam, modern New York, 1831, descendant of Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam, modern New York. The prename was borrowed from Washington Irving's friend Herman Knickerbocker and literally means toy marble baker From German knicker schoolboy slang for marble, apparently an agent now from the imitative verb knicken to snap. The origin of these Dutch pants can be traced back to Spanish influence, who adopted the Moorish Serwal Haram style pants. Moorish cultural influence is evident in the attire of many nations. Examine and compare the style of pants in these pictures. Knee-length breeches were a sign of nobility and wealth during the late 1700s. To the left, we have breeches as worn in the United States in the late 1800s. Then you have breeches as still worn as livery for special occasions in several european courts, where a coachman in the netherlands wears them during prince jess dick in 2013. And then we have mc hammer hammer pants uh, algiers to the top right and to the bottom, to the bottom right. Greek christian ottomans of Cyprus.

Speaker 2: 5:46

19th century Moorish garbs and jewels, crystals and stones. Right here, at the top left, it says make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it as on a on a seal Holy to the Lord. Fasten a blue cord to it. Attach it to the turban. It is to be on the front of the turban. Exodus 28, 36 through 37. Then it has the stones, the crystals and the stones. The first row shall be carnelian crystallite and beryl. The second row shall be turquoise, lapis lazuli and emerald. The third row shall be jacinth, agate and amethyst. The fourth row shall be topaz, onyx and jasper. That can be found in Exodus 28, 17 through 21. At the top we see a gold plate with a headpiece holy to the Lord. On the turban, two onyx stones. On the shoulders, the tunic, 12 stones with names of 12 tribes of Israel. The tunic, 12 stones with names of 12 tribes of Israel, the breast piece, the sash, the ephod, the blue robe, bells and pomegranates. This is all Moorish culture, moorish attire.

Speaker 2: 7:26

Past imperial potentates of the imperial divan as adopted by the European Shriners. Past Imperial Potentates of the Shrine of North America, 1967 to 1993. Past Imperial Potentates of Shriners International, 1993 to present. Past imperial potentates of the Shrine of North America, 1916 to 1942. Ancient Arabic order of the nobles of the mystic shrine now known as Shriners International.

Speaker 2: 8:04

206 European shrine temples in the world. There are 206 European shrine temples in the world. There are 206 European shrine temples in the world. These people are imposters wearing the fes which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. These people are imposters wearing the fes which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. These are imposters wearing the fez which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. Again, these are imposters wearing the fez which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. We have more imposters wearing the fez which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance.

Speaker 2: 9:00

This is the Omas Grotto. Omas Grotto, omas Grotto, orlando and the Kilted Prophets of the Enchanted Realm. In this picture we have the Veiled Prophets. The Veiled Prophets in St Louis, tuesday, october 2nd 1883. These people are imposters wearing attire which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance Des Mollets International. On June 13th 1890, a new fraternal organization, the Mystic Order of Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm, or the Grotto for shorthand, was formed in beautiful Hamilton, new York. 128 years later, the Grotto continues its critical, important message of brotherhood, friendship and service to youth. We thank all the Grottos for all of their uber great support of De Mole. Thank all the Grottos for all of their Ubar great support of De Mole. These people are imposters. Were in the fez which belongs to the Moors by birthright and inheritance. On the left officers of the Shriners Moslem Temple in Detroit posed in special regalia in 1929. Officer titles in the ancient Arabic order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine include potentate chief rabban, assistant rabban and high priest and prophet.

Speaker 2: 10:33

The Detroit News Archives this is annual well, let me get down to the yeah, this part right here. Annual parades honoring the dismemberment and conquest of the Moroccan Empire. The Inquisition against the Moors. Spanish Inquisition. The European colonization of Moors, Moors lands and the states and the subjugation of the native Moors. Conquest and colonization of North, south and Central America. And the subjugation of the native Moors. Conquest and colonization of North, south and Central America. And the subjugation.

Speaker 2: 11:07

European Shriners filed an injunction restraining the Prince Hall Shriners from using their Moors names and from wearing their own. Moors feds, moors regalia, moors emblems, moors pins, moors badges, moors paraphernalia, moors jewels representing Moorish paraphernalia, moorish jewels representing their Moorish culture. The Prince Hall Masons have not have not made the inheritance and birthright claim to their Moorish names, moorish fads and turban, moorish regalia and Moorish culture claims that the imitative acts and practices of the Moors classified as Negroes constituted a fraudulent deception injurious to the European order. Ancient Arabic order. Nobles mystic shrine, now Shriners International. The decree was affirmed by the United States Court of Civil Appeal Burrell v Metchox and by the Supreme Court of the State of Texas. The suit was begun in the State Court of Texas. Originally it was brought by members of the local temple of the European Order at Houston against members of the local temple of Moors classified as Negroes, united States Supreme Court 279 US 737-742, decided June 3rd 1929. The ancient Egyptian Arabic order of nobles of the mystic shrine, moors, classified as Negroes, claimed that the ancient Arabic order of nobles of the mystic shrine, europeans, had not acquired any exclusive or superior right to use the name, constitution, designations, titles, emblems and regalia. The ancient Egyptian Arabic order, nobles of the Mystery Shrine more is, classified as Negroes, asserted that the order, by virtue of the Act of Congress of May 5th 1870, became entitled to use the name, to adopt and have a constitution, to establish and have local lodges, to select and use appropriate emblems and regalia and to do other things properly, incident to the maintenance of a fraternal and charitable order. So the Moors classified as Negroes, through the ancient Egyptian or Arabic order nobles of the mystic shrine, through the ancient Egyptian or Arabic order, nobles of the mystic shrine, they won in the sense of, you know, they gained the right or permission to wear their Moorish regalia and emblems and so on and so forth, but they lost in the sense of the connection to their ancient Moorish ancestry. They didn't, they don't have, they're not exercising, they're not wearing the Moorish attire by way of exercising their birthright inheritance. You know a claim to the Moorish birthright inheritance. They're exercising it based on an order given by a judge. You know, while, under subjugation of the United States, the European Grottos adopted Moorish names for their temples.

Speaker 2: 14:15

In Alabama, you have Alhassan, mope and Mobile, alabama. In Arkansas you have Amrita, fort Smith, arkansas, canada. Zala, london, ontario. In Florida, you have Saymore in Sarasota, florida. In Indiana, you have Sahara in Indianapolis, indiana. In Kansas you have Ankara, shawnee, hazard and McPherson, kansas, or Kansas, kansas, louisiana. We have Al-Azhar. In Louisiana, they have Al-Azhar, baton Rouge, louisiana, arizona. Abid in Kingman, arizona, california. Cinema in Newhall, california. In Connecticut, monker in East Norwalk, connecticut. In Illinois, zingabad in Jacksonville, illinois. In Iowa, mohassan in Davenport, iowa. In Kentucky, ahmed In Louisville, kentucky. In Maryland, calipolis. In Washington DC, prince Hall women groups. Order of the Eastern Star. Queen of the South. Order of the Amaranth. Ladies of the Circle of Perfection. Order of Cyrene Crusaders. Daughters of blue lodge. Eastern star, royal art chapter. Heroines of heroine. Heroines of jericho. Council of royal and select masters. Ladies of the circle of Perfection. Commandary of Knights Templar, scottish Rite. Ladies of the Golden Circle and Shrine. Daughters of Isis.

Speaker 1: 16:11

Okay, I just want to ask. So we're following the timeline, right? Well, we're following the presentation. So you're taking us from, you're taking us into this masonry realm, okay, why are you taking us through this masonry realm? Okay, why are you taking us through this masonry realm?

Speaker 3: 16:30

Well, let's be clear that it's not masonry. We're not taking let's be for clarification. We're not taking the audience to a masonry realm. So let's be clear. This is not a masonry realm. This is a Moorish birthright realm hijacked by European shriners and European mystics. This is not a masonry realm. They hijacked it. We want to make it clear that, going back to the beginning, we show we had the Sankofa birth, so we're making a reclaiming. We're reclaiming, so we're letting the audience know that the European shrine is the ancient Arabic order of the nobles of the Mr Shrine and the mystic order of the Vail Prophet, of the Chant of the Realm Hijacked it. Our Moorish it, our Moorish names, our Moorish regalia, our Moorish headdress. We presented a case. So this is not a Macy realm in the sense of Lodge was showing that they hijacked it. We appreciate the question, so we for point of clarification, thank you.

Speaker 2: 17:49

You're welcome. The Moroccan Moorish fairs and the pyramid in the coat of arms of South and Central American countries as national heraldry, symbols of their Moorish nationality and consanguinity. Symbols of their Moorish nationality and consanguinity Rising from the ashes of the Crusades 1095 to 1235, and Inquisition against the Moors Spanish Inquisition to the 1500s. Bolivia, venezuela, venezuela, ecuador, peru, costa Rica, dominican Republic, haiti, guatemala, belize, nicaragua, el Salvador, paraguay.

Speaker 1: 18:42

Any 5%ers on right now. Any 5%ers on right now, because this wouldide with the 9th degree and the 1 of 14. Any 5%ers in the building right now, because this would coincide perfectly with the 9th degree and the 1 of 14.

Speaker 3: 19:01

All right, Now you see here how you have these nation states. They're not using it in the lodge, they're using it in government. These are national coat of arms. You see the feds, you see the Moores feds and the national coat of arms Our brothers and sisters who are Masons and Easter Stars, particularly Shriners, particularly Shriners. They wear their culture headdress, the fez, but don't know that it's theirs. They only wear it, as Israel said earlier, by membership here, in the coat of arms. These are national coat of arms, so they're. So it's being used in a sense of culture where our brothers don't wear it and they don't wear it the way they don't wear.

Speaker 3: 20:03

Why I'm wearing it? They don't wear it. Why I'm wearing it? They don't wear it. The reason why I'm wearing it? Because I have knowledge. I'm wearing it. The reason why I'm wearing it because I have knowledge. I'm wearing it to represent our culture. They're wearing it to represent that they are a member of the shrine.

Speaker 3: 20:19

They have a Moorish name, so they're a member of that particular shrine, temple. Whatever that Moorish name is on it, they don't identify. They identify with Smith Jones't identify. They identify with Smith Jones and Johnson. They identify with English family names, french family names, irish family names, dutch. They have what's called family reunions the Smith family reunion, the Williams family reunion, the O'Neill family reunion. They Williams family union, the O'Neill family union. They don't identify culturally. Let me be very clear. Our brothers do not identify culturally the way Israel and I do with the names of those of those shrine temples. It's only by order.

Speaker 3: 21:10

There is no Moorish national consciousness at all at all. I am not criticizing, I'm stating the fact. I want my brothers and sisters to come home. I love, I love my brothers and sisters who are masons, who are shriners, eastern stars. I love, I love my brothers and sisters who are masons, who are shriners, eastern Stars. I love them. We need them to come home. They're not home. They need to become home, home. All right, dorothy the Wizard of Oz, she never left. She never left. She never left physically. There was never enough physical, it's mental.

Speaker 3: 21:58

So the Moorish national consciousness has to be restored to our brothers and sisters. We can't bang on them. We can't hate on them. That's not going to do any good. My banging and hating on them is not going to do any good. We need to restore our Moorish national unity. So banging and hating on them is not going to do any good. Please send me out conscious Moors, please. I'm speaking to conscious Moors. I'm not speaking to unconscious Moors. I'm speaking to conscious Morris. I'm not speaking to unconscious Morris. I'm only speaking to conscious Morris, only conscious Morris. Bang, only conscious Morris bang on our brothers, their own brothers and sisters, who are Shriners, eastern Stars and so forth. We have to stop that. We need, we have to restore we're getting our ASS kicked. We need to restore our Moorish national political unity. That's a message to conscious Moors. They've been banging, banging on them for years and I was one of them. I raised my hand. It's by our nose. To thy own self, be true, I was one of that bank, but that ain't getting us anywhere. Great Israel.

Speaker 2: 23:27

So heritage, history, romance, romance of Spanish history, the conflict between the Moors and the Christians from 821 AD To 1118 AD. Pearl of the Moors monarchy, growth of the Christian kingdoms, invasion of the Norman pirates, death of Muhammad Moors, insurrections, the reign of Caliphs, luxury of the Moorish monarchs, splendors of Zahra, griefs of Abd al-Rahman, the challenge, the battle of Soria, scenes of anarchy, decline of Moorish power, perfidy of Yusuf, his conquest of Moorish Spain of Yusuf, his conquest of Moorish Spain when Europeans were slaves. Research suggests white slavery was much more common than previously believed by Jeff Gradmeier of Ohio State University. The enslavement of Europeans doesn't fit the general theme of European world conquest and colonialism that is central to scholarship in the early modern era. Many of the countries that were victims of slavery, such as France and Spain, would later conquer and colonize the areas of North Africa where their citizens were once held as slaves. Maybe because of this history, western scholars have thought of the Europeans primarily as evil colonialists and not as the victims they sometimes were, said Davis, the Moroccan Empire's political, economic and military power from the 1500s to the 1800s extended beyond Spain. Morocco's political dominance during the aforementioned time period involved Portugal, france, netherlands, dutch and England. During the aforementioned time period involved Portugal, france, netherlands, dutch and England. The Moors had extensive diplomatic relations with France, netherlands, dutch and England during the 1617 and 1800s, which had involved those European powers paying annual tributes to the Moroccan Empire for the protection of European ships, negotiated through tribute treaties, the payment of ransom for the release of European captains, merchants, sailors, women and children from Moors captivity and the payment of tribute for the return of European ships that have been seized by the Moors.

Speaker 2: 25:44

Title illustrious Pope Innocent III used the illustrious when he addressed the emperor of morocco. Jd gerald kelly and stanley lane pool. The story of the barbary corsairs islamic pirates of the mediterranean 1504 through 1881. Pope innocent the third wrote a latin letter recommending the redemptionist to the protection of the emperor of Morocco. It was addressed illustrious Miranomelon Regi Maracatanoron. Then you have JD Gerald Kelly and Stanley Lane Poole the Story of the Barbary Corsairs, islamic Pirates of the Mediterranean 1504-1881. In 1719, father Comelin and others brought away 98 Frenchmen. 98 Frenchmen and similar expeditions were constantly being made. Several other narratives of successful escapes may be read in the volume of Voyages published by the Redemptionist Fathers and translated by Joseph Morgan. Between 1628 and 1634, 80 French ships were captured, worth, according to the Rhesus valuation, 4,752,000 lavries together with 1,331 slaves. Up to 1618, algiers was governed by a pasha directly appointed by the sultan. From 1618, the pasha was chosen by the genoceres and other militia, subject to the veto of the sultan. In 1671, the genoceres first elected a day out of their own number.

Speaker 3: 27:36

I'm not going to read it all, but yeah, he's reading from my book, moors and Mace Street, part One. This is my book. It's been out since December 2016,. Moors and Mace Street, part One. You can go to MoorsandMaceStreetorg, moorsandmaces, part 1. You can go to moorsandmacestreetorg, moorsandmacestreetorg to get my book. So, ezra, you're doing a great job, brother, and that we need this documentary evidence to show we, as we said at the onset, that we do take the time to prepare for these presentations. They will be. This will be a book series, and I want to thank Ron for giving us the title why shouldn't we call ourselves Black? And so we're running with it. So this is a series and this will be a book. We're actually going to have a book series, you know, and so part one, part two will be part one, with the subtitles and subtitles, part two and so forth.

Speaker 1: 28:33

So hold on, is Moors and Masonry.

Speaker 3: 28:37

Yeah, org Moors and the word and masonryorg. Yes, alright, great Israel.

Speaker 2: 28:54

And this is from Brother Abdullah Bay's book Moors and Mastry, part 2. The following list of Knight orders are military orders Sovereign military order of Malta, founded as the order of St John of Jerusalem In the 11th century, sanctioned by Pope Pascual II on February 15, 1113, in the year 1113,. Order of the Knights of St John of Jerusalem Latin Ordo Fratrum Hospitalis Sancti Ionis Harosolimitani, also known as order of saint john, order of hospitalars, knights of hospitaler or hospitalers. Then we have knights templar. In 1118, hugo hugos de payens, a french knight, founded a military order to fight against the Moors and the Turks, calling it the Poor Knights of the Temple of King Solomon, later to be called the Knights Templar. Last Grand Master, jacquees de Molay. Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States of America, celebrating 200 years from 1816 to 2016. And we have Order of the Holy Sepulchre, founded circa 1099. Order of the Garter, founded by Edward III of England. Order of the Golden Fleece, founded by Philip III, duke of Burgundy, in 1430. Order of the Thistle, founded by King James VII of Scotland in 1687. Order of the White Eagle, founded by King Augustus II of Poland in 1705. Order of the Seraphim, founded by Frederick I of Sweden in 1748. Uh, emperor charles v of spain fought against the moorish and turkish enslavement of spainers.

Speaker 2: 31:00

Ottoman habsburg wars in 1535. In 1535, charles v of sp attacked Tunis, then under the control of the Ottoman Empire. This is known as the conquest of Tunis in 1535. In the expedition known as the Battle of Algiers, 1541, malay Ismail Hassan Agha of Algiers defeated Emperor Charles V of Spain and his large army in 1541. In 1574, the Ottoman Empire defeated Spain and regained control of Tunis. This is referred to as the conquest of Tunis of 1541. 1574, the Ottoman Empire defeated Spain and regained control of Tunis. This is referred to as the conquest of Tunis of 1574. Habsburg Spain Habsburg Spain territories oh, hold on one second.

Speaker 1: 31:44

All right, this is linking what the prophet was talking about and all of that and this right here. So, uh, yeah, this is in the moors and masonry book, right?

Speaker 2: 32:00

yeah, this is this.

Speaker 1: 32:01

One is in part two, part two all right, this is, this is, this is, and you see these knight orders the Europeans have.

Speaker 3: 32:17

These knight orders were established as military orders to fight against the Moors, to fight against us. Now, our brothers who are members of these orders do not know that. You know they want to be accepted. We want to be accepted, we want to be a part of something. You know and but we don't know the history. So today, the Europeans who have these orders are part of these orders. They are charity orders. They were Masonic charity or knight charity orders, but that's not why they were established.

Speaker 3: 33:01

So when I talk to our brothers who are part of these orders, they dismiss me. You know well that was back then. Like, who are part of these orders? They dismiss me. You know Well, that was back then Like but you're ignoring the history though. Why was it established? Why was the Knights of St Stephen's established? The order of Christ Hospitallat the word hospital. That's the knight order. The word hospital is a part of a name of a night order St John, the sovereign order of St John's of Hospitalia, established in 1885. The word hospital. So you have these brothers because they want to be part of something. I'm not banging. I'm not banging, they want to be part of something. So they will dismiss me and saying, well, that's not what it is today.

Speaker 3: 34:08

Well, let's look at why it was established. They were established for a sole purpose. The European kingdoms united their forces, united their resources against us and launched two crusades against the Moors in 18 and 1085. They were established for that reason to ignore that or to not look into that or dismiss it when it's brought up. What is the motive? They say, well, that's not what it is today. Well, of course they're not. We're conquered. Remember, we were fighting them, they were fighting us. We're conquered. We're totally defeated. We're totally conquered, so of course. So they've maintained it to, just as charity orders. They're not fighting us. What they've done was maintain the conquest. The conquest is done already, so they don't, they're maintaining it. So once you conquer the conquest, the conquest is done already, so they don't, you're not, they're maintaining it. So once you conquer people, you gotta maintain the subjugation. That's what they've been doing.

Speaker 3: 35:30

The history's important. To ignore the history, to dismiss it as irrelevant. What's the motive? I'm not banging. We're getting our ASS kicked. I'm standing for the babies. I'm standing for the babies and I'll be doggone. I'll stand for the babies while I'm my dying breath. This history is major, important. Go ahead.

Speaker 1: 36:06

Israel. So I just have a question. So, being that history of where it comes from, the origin of those organizations were so far behind so long ago, how does that affect us today?

Speaker 3: 36:25

We're conquered. How does it affect us today? We still conquered, remember, that's the history. That's the history that talks about our conquest. That's the history. That's the history of our battling them. That's the time when. That's the history of our battling them. That's the history. That's the time period when we were still in power. So by studying that, you know what it takes. Great question, you know I can answer it. Great question by having that knowledge, you know how you got in this situation. How did we get to where we are today? How do we get poverty stricken? You know, whatever. How did we get it? How did the Europeans? In September, in September 2000,. In September 2011,.

Speaker 3: 37:15

In September 2011, I chronicled this in Moises Macy, part 1. My coworker, former coworker at the time, my coworker, teacher I won't mention the school, one of the schools in Camden. It was the first day of school and I had just talked to him because I had been working on Moises Macy, part 1. To him because I had been working on Moors and Mace Street, part One, and I was excited of what I you know, of the development of my point, my book, up until that date, up to that date. And he asked me Mr Bay, how did the Europeans come to world power and domination? I said that's easy by defeating the Moors. Let me give you this, let me read this. Come on, let me. This is good, great question, great question. All right, this is the back cover of Moors and Bay Street, part One. All right, here we go.

Speaker 3: 38:16

The enslavement of Europeans doesn't fit the general theme of European world conquest and colonization that is central to scholarship on the early modern era. Robert Davis, professor of Italian Renaissance history, ohio State University, I'm going to continue now. Israel showed us 206, the names of 206 shrine temples in the world, 150 grotto temples. These Europeans have annual parades. They've claimed our Moorish names. We talked about the law kick suit. So they're maintaining our subjugation. They're suppressing this knowledge. This knowledge is important because you have to know, I mean, what this ties us to is what A pre-existing Moorish sovereignty, a pre-existing Moorish sovereignty, a pre-existing Moorish political power. This history is very important. That's why that's in Kofra Bird, because that's in Kofra Bird is to reach back into the knowledge of our ancestry and bring that forth. That's what we're doing. We're making it relevant. This ties into the international application known as the recovery of lost sovereignty. But how are you going to recover that which you have no knowledge of If you don't have knowledge of it.

Speaker 3: 39:58

Our brothers, let's go back to our brothers. I'm not banging, I'm not banging Our brothers. Prince Saul's Shriners do wear the feds and have Moorish names on it. They don't identify it as their birthright. They wear their own headdress and they have their own. What names do our brothers? Prince Saul's shrine is identified with English family names, irish family names, dutch family names, french family names, not Moorish. Abdullah Bey, abdullah Bey, that's a funny name. Ishmael, that's a funny name. Israel, eel, that's a funny name. Guess, who will say that? Prince Osweiner, guess, who will say that about me and Israel? Or any conscious more funny names? Guess, who will? I'm not banging. Guess, who will say that? The very brothers who wear what I have on my head with Moorish name on it, they will call my name funny. Why there's no Moorish national consciousness. You see why, ron, I just wanted to bring it home. Great question, keep them coming, keep them coming. So we got the 1600s.

Speaker 2: 41:36

16 AD. Prophet Muhammad introduces Islam. 632 AD. Prophet Muhammad introduces Islam. 632 AD. Prophet Muhammad transitions and the Rashidun Caliphate was established as the first Islamic empire after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, With rulers such as Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, who are close companions or relatives of Muhammad. The Rashidun era established the Islamic calendar and standardized reading of the Quran and other institutions, strengthening Moorish Muslim communities. 640, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territory to Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine. 642, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territory to Egypt. 643, it expands its territory. Rashidun Caliphate rule reaches the majority of the Sasanian Empire. 654, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territory to Cyprus. 661 AD. The Umayyad Caliphate, named after Umayyad Ibn Abid Shams of the Banu Umayyad clan, with its capital at Damascus, is established by Mu'awiyah after the first fitna, Moorish Muslim civil war caused by the assassination of Caliph Ali. This was the first fitna. The fitna is a Moorish Muslim civil war, War amongst ourselves.

Speaker 3: 42:57

Let me make this point here In the textbooks our children we did too. What were we subjected to in school when we saw, when they showed pictures of us and those who look like Donald Trump on the same page, on the same page in any textbooks? They showed the Europeans in a dominant position, controlling position, and us in a sub-server. They're either lynching us where the Europeans are lynching us where the Europeans are whipping us, or we're protesting against what they did. It's the Europeans are always in a dominant position. We're always in a subsession. They did this to us with racism and prejudice and we're picking cotton. They're right, but they don't present this where we are in position of rulership. Why not? It's true history. Why don't the Europeans in the schools show us what we're doing right now? Why don't they do what we're doing now, showing us position of power? What does that do psychologically for us? Let's go back to your question 10 minutes ago, ron. What does that do psychologically? Remember, we're children 5-year-old, 7, 8-years-old, 9,. Ron, what does that do psychologically? Remember, we're children Five-year-old, seven, eight years old, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old. What does that do for a psychology? Now? What does that do for the European children? What does to do for European children to see Europeans in position in 2013.? In 2013. This just came to my mind 2013,.

Speaker 3: 44:54

I was at. The pictures are in Morse Macy, part one. We went to Indianapolis, indiana, for the Shriners Parade and they would say it's usually it starts at the end of June, going to July 4th. The parade is on the Saturday, so it was. I was Ustreaming it, remember Ustream? I was Ustreaming it live and it was a five. She looked like she was five years old, a five year old girl that looked like Donald Trump looking, and her mother, donald Trump looking. I'm talking, so they can you know visual, right? So she, they had all these hundreds, hundreds of hundreds of Donald Trump looking, hundreds of Donald Trump looking, wearing our most fast hundreds because they traveled to the national parade. They traveled all over, all right, and she says look, mommy, they're wearing the Shriners hat. Five-year-old girl. They're wearing the Shriners hat.

Speaker 3: 45:52

I'm just going back to your question, ron, 10 minutes ago. Bring in the full circle. They know the Albiyans know what they're doing. They're grooming their children to maintain their subjugation. They don't want their children to be subjected to this true history. They want to maintain that. You know, look at those blackies, those poor little blackies, those poor little Negro children, negroes. They ain't got no history or nothing. Look at them, poor. They didn't contribute. Look at those poor little Blackies. They didn't contribute nothing to civilization. Well, you know we're going to give to the Blackies. You know I'm going to give a little charity to the Blackies. We feel sorry for the Blackies. You know what I mean. You know what I mean. I feel a little good because I gave to the Blackies. We feel sorry for the Blackies. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 47:03

I feel a little good because I gave to the Blackies. The Transatlantic slave trade is basically like a dead end to our history. We can't go past that. So we're opening that door. People can go back farther into history.

Speaker 1: 47:21

Okay. So when you started off with this slide for the 600s to 700s, were you in the 500s 400s? Did you go back that far or you started?

Speaker 2: 47:32

I started with the 600s on the slide.

Speaker 1: 47:34

yeah, Okay, all right.

Speaker 2: 47:37

Because it kind of starts with the Prophet Muhammad when he passed form, and then that's when the first Islamic empire was established. As far as the caliphates, Check, check.

Speaker 1: 47:51

Here we go.

Speaker 2: 47:55

And then you got 17 AD, count Julian I'm not going to read it all, just certain things stand out. Count Julian, a Christian nobleman of Kuta, seeks assistance from Musa ibn Nusayr, the Umayyad governor, and his general Tariq ibn Ziyad, to overthrow the Visigoth king Roger. This marks the beginning of the Moors Islamic conquest of Iberia. Roger, this marks the beginning of the Moorish Islamic conquest of Iberia. So it was the Visigoth king that one of the Visigoths wanted to overthrow. So they got assistance from the Umayyad Caliphate. So 713 Treaty of Tudmir is made as an agreement between the Moorish Muslim commander Ebed al-Aziz ibn Musa and the Visigoth ruler Theodomir. Tudmir in Arabic, outlining the coexistence and governance in the region of Tudmir. Modern mercy of Spain. Both parties agreed to the continued rule of Theodomir, religious freedom, tribute texts for practicing Christianity, the Josiah, and no assistance to enemies of the Moorish Muslims.

Speaker 2: 49:08

Then we have 750 AD, battle of Zab. Abbasid Caliphate defeats the Umayyad Caliphate by combining forces with Shia Qawari and Iraqi forces. Over 300 members of the Umayyad family died, the 800s. Cordoba, the capital of the Umayyad Emirate, later becoming the Caliphate of Cordoba and also known as a City of Light during the Dark Ages, becomes the major center of power and knowledge, controlling a large portion of light during the Dark Ages, becomes the major center of power and knowledge, controlling a large portion of the Iberian Peninsula. Al-andalus, 800, the Aglubid dynasty, with Karan al-Karawan as its capital, is established by Ibrahim ibn al-Aglab, ibrahim ibn al-Aqlib, who was granted the province of Ifriqiya by the Abbasid Caliph, harun al-Rashid. The Aghlobid dynasty acknowledges the Abbasid caliphate. However, they still exist. They still exercise considerable autonomy and established a hereditary dynasty. In 846, the Aglubid dynasty raided and sacked Rome, establishing themselves as a major force in the Mediterranean Sea.

Speaker 2: 50:28

In the 900s, the Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba was dominant, the dominant Moorish power. In Al-Andalus, 909, the Fatimid Caliphate, with Cairo as its capital, the major center of learning, culture and trade was established by Ubaid Allah al-Mahdi Bila, challenging the authority of the Abbasid Caliphate. In Baghdad, the Sunni, on the grounds of claiming to be the rightful leaders of the Moorish Muslim community through heirship of the Prophet Muhammad's daughter, fatima, fatima Right. So this is showing why the main battles were happening after the Prophet Muhammad passed. There was a split within the Moorish Muslim communities as far as who wanted the most power, who wanted the power to rule, who claimed the power to rule. So we've got the 10 hundreds, the 1009,.

Speaker 2: 51:31

The Taifa kingdoms emerged after the fitna of the Al-Andalus, a period of internal strife and civil war which caused the decline of the Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba's centralized power, as well as the death of power figures like Al-Mansur. 1062, marrakesh was founded as the capital of the Almoravid dynasty. Yeah, the Almoravid dynasty was established in 1040 as well. 1085, king Alfonso VI reconquers Toledo. 1095, pope Urban II makes a speech at Clermont, france, rallying all Christian knights to crusade against the Moors for the purpose of suppressing Moors' Muslim powers and to strengthen the papal authority there go night orders.

Speaker 3: 52:14

There's all the night orders again. That ties to the night orders 1096 AD.

Speaker 2: 52:19

First crusade against the Moors begins, you had. 1099, order of the Holy Sepulchre is established. 1099, christian night crusaders capture the holy site known as Jerusalem for Moors, muslim rule.

Speaker 1: 52:32

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I want to stop right there. 1099 AD. Christian night crusaders capture the holy site, man. This stuff is all aligning with all the stuff that I've learned over the years, From the 5% Nation to Morish Science. It's interesting, man. It's all connected. But yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 52:56

Yeah, that's our plan to show how these things are connected, how the past controls the present, what affects the present. For better words 1700s the First Crusade comes to an end in 1102. 1113 AD. Sovereign military orders of Malta, sanctioned by Pope Pashal II on February 15th. Order of the Knights of St John of Jerusalem that's what we're reading, the hospitalars we have the. 1138, the Siege of Shazar. 1148, siege of Damascus. 1153, siege of Escaline, from January 25th to August 22nd, results in the capture of the Fatimid Egyptian fortress, the last Moorish stronghold on the Levantine coast, by the Kingdom of Jerusalem. 1171, the Ayyubid dynasty is established by Salah ad-Din Yusuf Saladin, being honorable to the Abbasid Caliph, in Baghdad. 1195, the Almohad forces defeat the King of Castile Alfonso VIII at Alacross, stopping Christian advances and pushing them back. 1200s the Battles of 1212, battle of Navas de Tolosa between the Almohad dynasty and the Knights Templars protected from the christian faith islam.

Speaker 1: 54:22

so I just want to stop here because we only have a few minutes left right and I know we were supposed to do something else the next time you come on, because there were questions asked. However, like it's gonna kind of break this flow right here, because now I'm seeing what's going on, so like if we you know I mean, I don't know how long left of this presentation is there, but I could assume it's a lot longer than this, am I?

Speaker 2: 54:54

correct. We got a little bit of a couple more slides left. Yeah, let me see Probably about, let's say, 10 slides or something like that. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, a couple more slides left. Yeah, let me see Probably about, let's say, 10 slides or something like that.

Speaker 3: 55:04

Yeah, that's not a lot 10 slides. Well, you want us to, well we can, well we got. We had originally had an idea for part five, which was before that, before what occurred last time, yeah, before what occurred last time. But he got a lot of it, most of it done for us conceptually. Ezra, this is a great job, brother.

Speaker 1: 55:30

One period. I don't mean to cut you, but one period we got to make sure we hit is why we shouldn't call ourselves Black. How did we become Black?

Speaker 3: 55:41

This is part of the series. This is part four of that. This is a series Right Indeed. So this is it. This is why this is continue with the why? Because it does not align us to this pre-existing more sovereignty. Black does not realign us, will not enable us politically to reclaim or restore our preexisting sovereignty and more statehood. It will not be able, we won't be able, to realign to this pre-existing Moorish power, sovereign power. That's what we're getting across in this presentation. Got you Indeed? Indeed, great question. Bring them on, brother. Questions are great.

Speaker 2: 56:37

The nations you know involved with the stripping of our nationality. So we call it Spain.

Speaker 1: 56:44

No, I know where you're going. I know where you're going. So, the brother, they start us off at 1492, then skip to 1619. In schools, well, actually, well, yeah, that's a good point, you're making.

Speaker 3: 57:00

As far as I know what he's talking about, and that's what Israel was saying that we're breaking through that by going back.

Speaker 2: 57:09

Yeah. They started our history at this transatlantic slave trade.

Speaker 3: 57:15

That's what he's saying yeah, exactly that's what you meant.

Speaker 2: 57:17

They don't show us the tower first and then falling and then becoming subjugated there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1: 57:26

I want to at some point, as opposed to like going into what we're going to talk about, like what we already had planned, I would rather keep going on with this, all right, so we could bring them home to explain how did we end up black? You get what I'm saying and what point in history.

Speaker 3: 57:47

All right, well, we'll do that for part five then.

Speaker 1: 57:50

All right, we'll do that.

Speaker 3: 57:51

Yeah, we'll do that for part five, because we got two minutes left. So, yeah, we can't yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:56

Indeed, so I would. On the next one, we finish up the slides and, yes, go into that, all right.

Speaker 3: 58:02

Well, we could do that. We'll work it out. Yeah, we'll work it out. It's not, yeah, well, and I talk We'll talk it through, and Israel, we'll talk it through, we'll get it together.

Speaker 1: 58:11

Thank you, brothers, for coming out this evening. I really appreciate y'all. Man, I didn't know y'all were preparing these slides for this actual show. My apologies, I had no idea. So, moving forward, I get it Peace to y'all. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to the people and we are out of here. Peace, peace, peace.

Speaker 3: 58:35

Peace, thank you.