5 Percent Nation - Be Knowledge Allah

Dive deep into the Jersey Shore's hidden connection to the Five Percent Nation with Be Knowledge, a dedicated teacher and practitioner who illuminates a lesser-known chapter in the movement's rich history. Born and raised in Lakewood, New Jersey (known as "Love Wisdom" among community members), Be Knowledge reveals how this region became a crucial hub for the Nation of Gods and Earths following Allah's assassination in 1969.

This conversation takes listeners on a fascinating journey through generations of teachers and students. Be Knowledge traces his lineage through mentors like Born Everlasting and God Supreme, offering rare insights into how these teachings were preserved and transmitted through family networks and community connections. What emerges is a portrait of communities where "all our towns got the knowledge" – creating an environment where these teachings were woven into the fabric of everyday life.

At the heart of this discussion is a profound exploration of self-creation philosophy. Be Knowledge articulates with remarkable clarity how the Five Percent Nation fundamentally challenges conventional religious thinking by teaching that "there is no mystery god." Instead, he explains the concept that the original man is "an emanation from the deepest part of yourself" – a perspective that positions humans not as creations of a higher power but as the very source of creation itself. His breakdown of how human spiritual understanding devolved over time—from self-knowledge to ancestor worship to nature worship to mystery god belief—provides a compelling framework for understanding the movement's philosophical foundations.

Beyond philosophical teachings, the conversation reveals how these principles translate into practical living through Be Knowledge's work in holistic health, massage therapy, and agriculture. His journey demonstrates how the teachings encourage purposeful engagement with wellness and community development—ultimately building toward "a nation of our own." For anyone seeking to understand the enduring influence and vision of the Five Percent Nation, this conversation offers essential insights from someone deeply rooted in its living tradition.

Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction
• 2:45 The History of Lakewood, New Jersey
• 5:30 Finding The Knowledge in Jersey
• 9:54 What is Self-Creation?
• 24:20 The Evolution of Religious Thought
• 32:50 Holistic Health and Agriculture
• 44:16 Building a Nation of Our Own

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

what's going on, everybody. It's ron brown lmt, the people's fitness professional, aka soul brother number one, reporting for duty. Um, we have the god be knowledge in the building. Before we go into the knowledge I will before, before we go into be knowledge, before we go into a piece of God, I would like to let everybody know listen, first of all, I'm not used to begging. I'm not used to begging. I don't like begging. However, this is the business right. So I'm trying to be more of a business person with this thing. So it's like you got to say comment like share, subscribe snapchat no, not snapchat super chat. Like you got to say comment like share, subscribe Snapchat no, not Snapchat Super Chat. Cash App, super Chat, the Cash App, all that good stuff. You know, make sure y'all hit the Super Chat when you can.

Speaker 1: 0:59

We're trying to continuously build and build and build this platform. This is a media platform, a media platform for black folk. It was created because I've noticed that it's needed. There's no balance out there. All we see is shoot them up, bang, bang. Who's the snitch, who's a part of this gang and who's a part of that gang? And you know, there's no positive, real positive imagery out there for our people. You know what I'm saying Positive examples. So this is the spot for the positive examples we got the God. Be knowledge in the building Peace to the God.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Peace, peace to Almighty Peace to you how you doing. You doing all right today.

Speaker 1: 1:41

I'm doing all right, man. How are you?

Speaker 2: 1:44

Yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Working everything you know.

Speaker 1: 1:48

Right Regular Indeed. We're going to get into it, so let's talk about it. First off, where are you from?

Speaker 2: 1:57

Okay, I'm from a town called Lakewood, new Jersey, known as Love Wisdom. That's in Ocean County, which is right next door to Monmouth County, and all that is going to tie in to my history. I'm from Lakewood, new Jersey. I'm from Now Just.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Now Just. All right. So I noticed, you said Now Just. I spoke to Lachem Shabazz a while ago on this podcast.

Speaker 2: 2:23

Lachem Ola, that's my man.

Speaker 1: 2:25

Yeah, indeed, indeed, now Lachem was saying New Jerusalem. Now, back in the days when I was coming up, it was always New Jerusalem, and then, as things progressed a little bit like into the 2000s, I started hearing more now justice.

Speaker 2: 2:41

Yeah, yeah, I don't have any quarrels with New Jerusalem. Yeah, yeah, I don't have any quarrels with New Jerusalem. From what I know, it's just something that was never official amongst everybody. You know brothers particularly up north East Orange in the late 60s, early 70s. You know there was brothers out there coming back and forth from you know New York and they was calling it, they knew jerusalem, you know, and that kind of stuff. And then moving forward or in contemporary time with that, um, of course, going into alphabet now, just so, yeah, like him, that's my older brother.

Speaker 1: 3:18

Yeah, that's peace. That's peace. So you, you grew up in Lakewood, new Jersey. I've never heard of Lakewood, new Jersey. How far is that from? I know more about Newark, patterson, new Jersey, trenton. I think that's pretty much it, yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 2: 3:38

so Newark, where, that's where Lockham Elevation, everybody up there, they about an hour north of me and um, lakewood is what you call the jersey shore, it's like south central, you know. So we got new york hour and a half north, philly hour west of us and um, we border, uh, monmouth, like I was saying, and there you have town. If you ever heard of Asbury Park or Neptune, new Jersey, and that's a very, very significant town in this nation, you know, and we got it via the area, flourishing in the knowledge so much, and there's so much familial ties between Monmouth and Ocean County, or Lakewood in particular, and Neptune and Asbury area. My mother went to Lakewood High School, my father went to Neptune High School when a law was assassinated in 1969, some of his closest sons, you know, physically and mentally, they boogied down to the jersey store as soon as the law was hit and the knowledge was already being introduced in the area and they kind of jump-started it and I was uh fortunate to be blessed and be around these brothers firstborn by Leek. You know, god Supreme, even Knowledge, god. I have significant history with all these brothers that brought the knowledge to my area. And saying that to say about Asbury and Neptune in 68 and 69, and our town got it from those brothers in Asbury, neptune. So that's the relation there, how a lot of us are close with them and also close with Mecca and Medina, a lot of brothers from my town. We kind of got it direct.

Speaker 2: 5:36

And one more thing I would say before we move on. I always want to shout out Jersey, because one thing that I don't think is understood amongst many, many other areas is that, like I'm in North Carolina now I've been in now, see, three years right, jersey is like New York in the sense where all our towns got the knowledge. And anyone that knows to tell you, all our towns got the knowledge. It's not like a group of brothers here in this city or a group of brothers here in this city, because we're right next to New York and because the firstborn Medina, allah's physical children, moved to the Jersey Shore when Allah was assassinated and they taught everything moving. So all our towns got hundreds of gods. My earth parents, my parents grew up with the gods. Our grandparents know who the gods is, you know, so peace peace.

Speaker 1: 6:29

So it would that. Okay. You say your parents got the. Not. You know, your parents grew up around the gods, however. Gods and earths. However. Did your parents get into the teachings?

Speaker 2: 6:42

no, no, they never got into the teachings themselves. They have to this day in Lake Marse. Or she got best friends who you know what I'm saying males, they both grew up with. You know they are in the knowledge. She has women she grew up with who have children with gods and I come from one of those towns. You know that's like that. So, no, they didn't choose the knowledge for themselves. However, they were absolutely exposed. That's how that go.

Speaker 1: 7:13

Alright, that's peace.

Speaker 1: 7:14

So how did you get the knowledge? How did you come about the knowledge? You know what I'm saying Because when I got the knowledge, I got the knowledge from you know. I think I explained it on a prior podcast. I got the knowledge. I got the knowledge from you know. I think I explained it on a prior podcast.

Speaker 1: 7:27

I got the knowledge from a God by the name of Truth Divine and I was saying I was God in my rhymes already. He was like you're saying it right there. You're saying it right there, you're God. And I'm like nah man, I'm not God man, he's like, but you're saying it. I'm like nah man, I'm not God man, he's like, but you saying it. I'm like yeah, I mean, I'm just rhyming, you know what I'm saying. But then he was like nah, let me show you something you know and you know he ended up. He was like because I was at the time, I was a kid, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 7:56

I was interested in the Hebrew Israelites. I was like 15, 16 years I. I was interested in the Hebrew Israelites. The God said if I could bomb the Hebrew Israelites, I'm taking you to, he said. He said if I could bomb the Hebrew Israelites. Would you go with me to the law school? I said, yeah, bet, and he bombed the Hebrew Israelites and that's why I said, all right, this is, this is probably what I want to do now. So then I started building with the God, and that's how that happened. So what about you? What's your experience? Right, okay?

Speaker 2: 8:27

so I'm gonna build it up. So when I was in high school of course that's why I gave the history of lakewood and that's a whole nother podcast. We can just that's a whole nother build. So when I got the knowledge, of course I probably never a time I didn't know of who, the five percenters, I didn't know what we were about or what we taught, necessarily. But everyone pops got a name, everyone uncle got a name. You know, you grow up in that environment. Your friends got righteous names. You grow up in that environment. So you never thinking about consciously. At least you know what is this. It's just around you.

Speaker 2: 9:04

So coming into late middle school, early high school years, I was introduced to pan-africanism from a elder family friend of the family okay, an elder friend of the family and he was very, very open-minded. Long story short on him. He told me study everything. He gave the foundation that Judaism, christianity, islam come from the original man. No matter how watered down or how purified it is, you know it all comes from the source, which is, you know, us and our people. So study everything, look into he told me about no Withdrawal League Look into the five percenters he mentioned. Look into, so on and so on. In the back of my head I said, oh, that's home. The Five of the Gods is already out, you know, I know how to do that. So that's home.

Speaker 2: 10:02

I start to ask friends in school that I know who was related to god's when they pops was god right? So, and this is how I know, and we will get into the whole black family dynamic about how certain brothers, or most more brothers, need to be in their homes, because we could be snatching up a lot more youth just by who your children is around, but your children don't know what's going on. You know. So now you could have somebody that could have, you know, gotten to the knowledge or would have been attracted, right, but your children didn't know better. The examples I'm about to go into. I asked a couple of my friends they brothers, right, they have two different fathers, but both of their pops is righteous. The examples I'm about to go into. I asked a couple of my friends they're brothers, right, they have two different fathers, but both of their pops is righteous. So I asked my mans all right, yo, what's up with the gods? And at the time my town is fast forward, run by the blood community.

Speaker 1: 11:03

So this is what we're around and dabbling in before you go before you go on, and that the blood community meaning what like, what's, what's set like, do you know this?

Speaker 2: 11:13

you're funny, you're funny, I gotta know. So everyone I came up with or came around is the different sets, but I'm gonna say I was hanging around everyone that was brick fruit town brick. Okay, that's what everyone who around me was right. So we around this age and this is who the older brothers that I'm asking initially, whose fathers is righteous, was good. So, oh, that's my reply. To reply that's some old head, you don't want to fuck with them. That's some old head shit. Can we curse? That's some old head, shit, you don't want to fuck with that. So, alright, I move on to his younger brother and he kind of gave the same response and him not really being in tune with the history of the town. You know how people go around saying shit. They heard adults say when you were a child he got into some old drama and rumors I didn't even know about. So dismiss him. I go to him.

Speaker 2: 12:14

I'm still looking like yo and at the time, of course, doing my own research, going back into my archives of the mind. Oh, I remember when I was younger, so-and-so dad was the guy. Oh, I remember when I was younger, so-and-so dad was the god. So all this is playing in my head and and I'm magnetizing myself even more to attract these things. So I'll go to my man's quamir. I say yo, ain't your dad righteous? Oh, can, can, can he tell me? He said, matter of fact, he asked me because he heard me asking him. He said I got you. So I'm like I can ask my dad for you. So he go ask his pops. And now, mind you, at this time all I know is five percenters, the gods. I don't know about law, no math, none of that. I just know that the brothers are doing not dealing with spookism. That's what I was interested in, that there's no mystery, god. So Kwame goes to his dad. He comes to school the next day. He say yo, my dad said he can't teach you the lessons, but you could dig through his crates for him. I said I don't even know what lessons is. So I said what is he talking about? I could go through his stuff and get the lessons. Now, thinking nowadays he was totally disqualified, you know. Now, third, brother, I'm through. No one's looking me out so fast forward.

Speaker 2: 13:36

I'm going through Facebook one day and I see a brother from the community, my town. He's like 10, 15 years older than me and I didn't know he's righteous though I on facebook for whatever reason, I had him at it but he had a fitted cat with the swag on it I said, oh, that's, that's the shit, like, I know what it's called. I'm like that's okay word that makes sense, because I remember just a couple weeks prior to that he's like my friend's family a couple weeks, or of my friend's friend, anyway, a couple weeks prior to that he's like my friend's family a couple weeks, or of my friend's friend, anyway, a couple weeks prior to that, we had dropped him off home and because we was out on the block or whatever, he needed a ride home. I remember he stopped at the gas station and when he came out and what I'm knowing now, especially knowing him, he had a beef stick. You know I'm saying 100% beef whatever. And I remember when he got out the car and he was like he ain't poor. Oh, he ain't poor. You know they probably thought it was a slim gym or something you know. So I remembered that experience and I said, oh, that's why they were saying that, because he righteous, but me going back to pan-africanism and high school and why I'm searching for knowledge itself and looking for knowledge. I had already been on pork, and all that already before I even got to the knowledge. So that's how I knew he ain't even eating pork. But I was curious to why he was clowning. I didn't even know him.

Speaker 2: 14:58

Fast forward, I see him online. Right, his name is a lost son. He goes by a different name now. Now that's a whole nother story. So he's from my town. Um, he got it. I hit him up on facebook yo, can we, can we build? I asked him. Basically, in a nutshell, do y'all teach that? There's a mystery, god? Because I'm not for that, you know, and obviously we don't, you know. A couple months later, we linked up. This is like late. This is like late fall 2011,. Something like this. I'm in high school, I graduated 2012,. So a couple months later, I hit him up again. You know, I'm still doing my research, still talking to different brothers.

Speaker 2: 15:44

I have a real good friend right who I ended up teaching right by the name of Pure Wisdom. When I was telling him I wanted it, he said oh, my godfather is getting the knowledge and he's teaching me. Go build with him. So you see, I'm showing you my town. People is everywhere. So I go to him and I say again like the lessons experience. He said oh, you need an enlightener and you need to know your supreme mathematics. I don't even know what the fuck none of that means and none of that is. He's still not. No one's given an introduction what this is Right, so I keep it pushing. I don't even know what he's talking about. He hitting me up every couple of days just checking on me, stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 16:30

So again, dude, that I seen on Facebook who had the flag, a lost son who I knew just from being on the block, being outside. He has a lot of family in the community. I come to him. Y'all want to learn? Okay, he's taught people, you know, he know what he's doing. So I link up with him on my own and we build in everything. And he started to introduce me to what this is about. Oh, you already don't eat pork. Good, ok, you already basically dismissed the mystery. God, you just need what? Understanding, understanding, okay. So that's what happened, and I was 17 by now, so this is a couple years before this. On and off asking people. Nobody really got it, you know. So, and still building up. I mean, I'm already fully embraced in africanism, kwanzaa, black nationalism. This is already there while I'm coming into the knowledge Right. So 17,. You know, late 2011, early 2012, come I start.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Actually I met with him physically again, you know, to build with him a lost son and we build in. So he gives me he's talking about you know, you got to fast, so on and so on and I moved so rapidly. We got to that later because he gave me Supreme mathematics, right, I learned that one day, of course, he gave me Supreme alphabet. I learned that one day he gave me the one to 10. I learned that one day you know what I'm saying and he I remember this is a significant part of her just the first time I heard show improve.

Speaker 2: 18:12

I remember I was coming out my house, we was about to just go do our thing. We'd be in studio and neptune or asbury, something like that, or hanging around the lakewood somewhere, and I came out the house after doing math in a day, alphabet in a day. I come out the house, I get in the back seat. He had a shorty with him and I remember he said oh, you know that first degree. I'm thinking we supposed to like get everything that you get. Know it as soon as you get it. He's like you know that first degree. I'm like what you mean? Like the student enrollment? He's like, yeah, who's the original man? I? I said, oh, I know the whole thing. He said Sean approved. I said it right there.

Speaker 2: 18:50

So now, unbeknownst to me, we're on our way to Jersey City for me to meet Born Everlastin'. You know my black seed. So math in a day, alphabet in a day one to ten in a day. He take me up to see Born Everlasting a couple of days later, or that day when I recited the one to ten after I got it, a couple of days after I got it. So I'm like I already know that I didn't know that. So we on the way to Born Everlasting House, and I'll his history will come out of me as we go, cause he said if you're getting that, he takes me to Born Everlasting House. I'm still in my honorable name, all that you know already, knowing math, alphabet one to 10. We shoot up to Jersey city. I meet the black. You know Born Everlasting. As soon as I walk in his house he's dropping it, you know now real quick.

Speaker 1: 19:43

I don't mean to cut your wisdom. So now so.

Speaker 2: 19:46

So now, so you did you fast at three days? Not yet, cause, like I said, the first week I was with him, I knew math, alphabet.

Speaker 1: 19:56

I didn't get to that yet Got it.

Speaker 2: 20:08

Indeed, got it indeed, so I get up to born everlasting and we still talking about fast all right, you gotta fast, I'll do that this week when I get back, so we build in. He's taking me through the history of nature and so on, so on. You know he got it in the 70s, when he was a young boy, from his older brother and they got it from firstborn hashim, son hashim, who you know they affectionately call baby Hashim. He ain't no baby, he's a grown man. However, you know, our first born baby in the nation as we say so, hashim, who's around now.

Speaker 2: 20:33

He gave it to supreme mathematics and born everlasting when he was like 8 and like 12, you know, young. He's running around as a young teenager, teaching them. His mother is like like 12, you know, young, he's running around as a young teenager, teaching them. His mother is like first born, one of the first born earths as far as having a baby. You know, mary and his pops is Hashim. Hashim is, you know, one of the first assassinated. You know, in this as far as a civil war matter type of thing, you know things that is from inside, but that's if you know. You know, so his son taught them, you know and born everlasting the reason a lost son from my town was linked with him because he was already known for being out in my town and giving it to brothers right and exact right. So a lost son, how he got it coming up as a teenager?

Speaker 2: 21:27

because he he has two older sisters and both of his older sisters had boyfriends who had the knowledge and one of them is the first born in my town okay so he got it from his older sisters you know 12, 13, 14 years old, right around the house, got it from his older sisters you know 12, 13, 14 years old, running around the house, got it from his older sister's man who was one of the first born in my town and they got it from their peer. You know who was the first born and he got it from a brother, c Infinite, from Asbury, and you know that goes back and back and back.

Speaker 1: 22:08

Now I just want to interject, I just want to make knowledge born on this. Why? Because you know I just love just black culture in general. Right, so asbury park, asbury went. Asbury berry park rings a bell for me, for Morris Science. I just want to let you know that I know Nature, nature right.

Speaker 2: 22:28

right, I know Nature Right right, I'm proud to Nature obey. Yeah, I know what's going on. I tell you.

Speaker 1: 22:35

Right, right, that's peace, that's peace. I never even heard of Asbury Park until I heard of Nature Hill Bay.

Speaker 2: 22:44

Yeah, no, that's the spot right there. It's one of those little cut towns. It's like a square mile of the hood, you know, like 50% black. You know this is one of those cuts you'll never know about unless you know.

Speaker 1: 22:59

Right, right, right, yep. So part of the intersection? Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2: 23:07

So Lost Dawn, he got it growing up as a teenager and from he got it like here and there, just growing up, but as he grew, took it serious and stayed with it born everlasting. I told you he got it when he was a young, a young boy, and that's like how I got it initially my black and brown, you know. They came together and taught me why Born Everlasting and that tie as far as the purification of these teachings is, I like to say, is because when he was 19, 20 years old, he first born Sahin, lived with him for five years. We're going to start giving out a lot of this, you know, because brothers need their flowers while they're here, you know, and it's also a lot of brothers that's left out. It's a lot of names that's called out all online and a lot of nations of the nation is confused about who, what, when, where, why. They're seeing pictures and times and things and they don't know what's going on, right? So, um, yeah, he got it from Saheem, after already getting it young, from one of the first boards, son, and he made Saheem, made him, you know what I'm saying? Uh, one of the guys, um, and one of his closest fruit, and he coming in name of that till this day, um later down the line.

Speaker 2: 24:24

So this is I'm 17, right fast forward. I learned all my lessons in less than two months. So I learned so quote unquote 120 in one to two months. January parliament was around the corner from them. Three days that I learned everything. March parliament I was back like I knew this already a couple weeks, you know. So that's how that went. At this time I'm going to Parliament from the jump, like soon as I got the knowledge. This is that January. I met Born Everlasting when Lawson took me up to his house. I was at the Parliament that January and like two, three years straight after that.

Speaker 1: 25:04

So you're talking about the parliaments in Mecca, or now?

Speaker 2: 25:06

justice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Meeting all you know who I'm supposed to meet. Another significant, because we're talking about how I got the knowledge. It's the fast forward version because this is extensive. You know, um, right around the same time, a couple months later, I go into parliaments. I meet god supreme. That's my man to this day, god supreme.

Speaker 2: 25:40

He was one of the brothers, one of the first five percenters. He got in the spring of 64. So all this date stuff, that's a whole nother whatever. But he got in the spring of 64. My teacher, you know, and um, his history is a whole that sign he could tell. But if you know him, you know him.

Speaker 2: 26:01

However, this is why we gotta I don't even do social media, so me coming on, even like facebook, anything like that is is new, because some things have to be said. Because if you understand um propaganda, you know propaganda isn't necessarily. It's misconstrued as false information when, technically, to propagate a propaganda is just expressing ideas that are more biased towards what you want. You want people to add on to what you're talking about. So there's a lot of propagation out there as far as these nation channels and nation this and nation that and nation that.

Speaker 2: 26:42

So I said, all right, I'm gonna talk. You know so, when it comes to nation media, I have a history in that when I was again still teenager 18, 19 years old I was writing for the five percent of newspaper um, and after writing for the five percent of newspaper a couple years on and off, most recently a couple months ago, I had an article in the son of man. You know so, if you know about the son of man, that's also one of our long-standing um magazines. Articles connections to you know everyone, designed by Universal Sham, god of Law, and he said his purpose was to stop everyone from running around wild with the wrong teachings. The first thing I got from God Supreme was you know about where it be in life, you know. So let's start there, because that's knowledge, knowledge, or 11 in the 1 to 14.

Speaker 1: 27:43

Indeed.

Speaker 2: 27:43

I'm understanding knowledge. So you got knowledge, knowledge. Then you got a wisdom, knowledge that you got understanding knowledge right. You are my understanding. You'll see I'm what Be knowledge and through me being that knowledge, you'll see I got to understand it because I come from what? The tribe of knowledge and understanding, or the 13th tribe. Because I come from what? The tribe of knowledge and understanding, or the 13th tribe.

Speaker 2: 28:07

So when I met God supreme and we talk about that 11th of February in the 114, have you not heard it should worship. You bond with God, to whom or what? That's my word. My bond bonds for life and I give my life before my word shall what fit. And he was teaching me about where his life, as opposed to word, being wrong. Because you could go outside to any corner, you could go to any neighborhood, you could go on any platform, any podcast, and all you have to do is speak and whatever you say you're going to attract to yourself, you're going to what give life to it. Right, it's gonna grow anything you say. So word is life, because god is what ever changing as far as growing and developing in his intelligence.

Speaker 2: 28:52

You know you can't bond god to shit, he said when allah left the mosque. He told him to his face that one of the reasons that he left is because they tried to bind him to the word of Elijah. And you can't bind God to shit, because once you what Purify yourself, you start to see things that are veiled or allegorical in a more pure light. So you don't need to go through hoops and bounds to tell who God is, or it doesn't need to be for registered Muslims only, or it doesn't need to be what muslims only, or it doesn't need to be what in a society that teaches that to high-ranking members or anything like that. The science is wherever you go.

Speaker 2: 29:31

As soon as we started teaching that the black man was god and that there was no mystery god, we opened a lot of curtains and we took down a lot of veils because that shit brought life to the universe. Now half the religious people ain't that religious. The conscious community you had all that shit is a birth from the doors that was unlocked way back then. Right, you know. So everything is real.

Speaker 2: 29:59

And you said how I got the knowledge. One thing I did not want to forget is what is the knowledge? Okay, I hear a lot, a lot, a lot of talking and there's a lot of things that I'm seeing are perceived that may look like us but ain't us. As far as teachings are concerned, I'm gonna get this straight. We teach that there is no mystery god. That means that there is no. That means, right, that there is no entity or figure known as the creator, the source, the most high. What I'm telling you is that that entity that you perceive as almighty God, in whatever language that you're saying, that entity that you perceive as the origin of life, all that is, or all you're conjuring that up to be right is you in your everlasting body and you in a prior form, because just like hold on rewind, rewind.

Speaker 1: 31:06

Say that one more time.

Speaker 2: 31:08

I say all that you deem in the creator the most high, the source. See what people get. I'm saying these words because when people get out of religion they think, oh, now I'm saying the creator, I'm smart, now I'm saying most high. I'm not talking about white Jesus, no, we're saying I'll make it even more clearer, because you said repeat what I said what you call the creator, because we're really talking about, like the physical universe, human beings, so on and so on.

Speaker 2: 31:37

When people say that that's what we're getting at, everything else, a whole nother story around. So when it comes to creation, we say, oh, if there's no mystery, god, how's everything there to be creator? So I'm gonna say the source, the creator, so on and so on. Okay, I said what you're deeming as that is nothing. But you, who is everlasting life, who is everlasting, everlasting form, who is infinite power, that's just you in a friar arm, leg, leg, arm, head. That's it. The first atom of life is no different than this atom of life. Just like you, clothed in intelligence right now, you live in your body as above, so below, as it was in the beginning, shall be in the what End.

Speaker 2: 32:22

So what we teach is actually self-creation. We see, there is no concept of a deity, of a entity, of a group, of nothing. None of that that booms everything to existence that willed into existence. None of that. What we teach. I'm separating from everyone else, because there's a lot of us in every community we know that or people that were influenced by us in every community and I love the conscious community and I be myself part of that, you know. However, a lot of times should get mixed, diluted and tampered with when it comes to what we teach. We get grouped into thinking oh, we're made in the image of the creator. That's not what we teach.

Speaker 1: 33:06

No sir.

Speaker 2: 33:07

We're made in the image of God. That's not what we teach. What we teach that in actuality ain't no God. That's why we just boil it down to a good, orderly direction. I do, mar used to always say when you say man saying God, when you say earth, you saying, when you say God, you saying man, when you say earth, you saying woman, ain't nothing spectacular. That's what you're saying, that's our transliteration. We totally demystified all that. So, again, what we teach and what we study is what self-creation. So what we go into is that the original man who you're looking at, who I'm looking at you, right, our woman, our children, the universe around us, is actually an emanation. Right, it's actually an outward growth from the most deepest part of ourself, self and that most purified, that most ancient, deepest part of yourself, which is still who you looking at just grown and developed over time according to will, right, according to need, a personal growth and development and what you want in life and what you magnetize yourself to attract and what you, what, electrified yourself to project.

Speaker 2: 34:24

Right, just like we build civilizations Right, how we build civilizations now is the same thing in how you built this body. So what I'm saying is we can skip all the dogma. We can skip all the dogma, all the BS, and it goes back to self-creation that all the elements in the universe, subatomic to infinite particles in space, all the elements of the universe right, really, their foundation is you. You're, it's not that you're coming from them. We don't teach that we're children of the sun and children of this. We actually teach that we're older than the sun, moon and stars. Right, we have no beginning or ending.

Speaker 2: 35:10

Right, so this body may be a result of what the elements of this planet. However, prior to this, whatever body or form or seemingly formless existence you want to build on, right, it was always who you looking at. Now. We just, yeah, we'd go on that forever. I just wait, that's.

Speaker 1: 35:32

That's the reason why we are. That's why we are taught that we are the role controllers.

Speaker 2: 35:37

Yeah, we are the role controllers so man dumbed down, and one before we move right on. We dumbed down from knowing that we was all our laws, that we all are supreme beings and that everything is a push and a pull from self. In reality, right, we went from knowing that and according to our lessons, we say what? 20 years ago? And that got dumbed down into what I call hyper ancestral veneration, because there's nothing wrong with ancestral veneration, but we hyper deified our ancestors and we took them from a point where we should equalize their magnetism and we should what? Study them and go beyond that, and we took them to a point of a mystery guy. So first we knew who, we was Real quick.

Speaker 1: 36:31

Real quick. So are you talking about like Senthiri and all?

Speaker 2: 36:35

that, no, no, no, that's even way down the line saying as as human beings, over the time, how our psyche developed or devolved into who. I'm still bringing it up to the 5, 10, 85 percent, right, yeah, so the 10 rich slave makers of the poor who teach the poor lies to believe that the almighty, true and living god is a spook cannot be seen by the physical eye, right, right.

Speaker 1: 37:02

Indeed.

Speaker 2: 37:04

That has been going on for a long, long, long, long time. People think that when Christianity came, that changed religion. No, all that has been spooky for millions of years already. You're not going to find on the walls of Kemet none of that. The black man's God, I don't care what they be talking about, it's just it don't exist. You may. The black man's god, I don't care what they be talking about, he's just it don't exist.

Speaker 2: 37:32

You know, you may find what you drew up as an allegory or a metaphysical concept or um an esoteric point. You may have drawn that up and you may think that that's how they looked at it, but you're still taking it on face value, because what they wrote was to worship x, y and z and so on and so on and so on. You know? So I'm saying, over time we went from a point of high intelligence right where we knew there was no limit, there was unlimited, there was limitless bounds to who you were. Again, you can't bind god to shit. So which is A prior doctrine or dogma or religion? What Allah said, what the firstborn said, what whoever said? Because they told us To go beyond that. So, knowing you, the supreme being Humanity Is, we dumbed it down into hyper-ancestral veneration. So we began to worship our ancestors as opposed to just venerate them.

Speaker 2: 38:26

After that, when humanity seen that our hyper-veneration will lead people to do X, y and Z, will lead us to what Be able to take advantage of them, rob them, do this, use their labor to become rich, so on and so on, he said, oh, we just go, fuck it. Y'all ain't supreme beings, just us now. So now what? Worship man? Worship me, worship your aunt, worship these statues of us. That, when people seen that, okay, the worship of our ancestors, some people are bright enough to still draw up I can be like that, I can be worshiped too. So it was still too much competition as far as the resources of the universe. So what that dumbed down into is they said, okay, fuck it, don't worship man nature veneration. So now you got the planets, star systems, rivers, so on and so on I don't mean to cut your wisdom, god.

Speaker 1: 39:26

What do you think? Hold that thought? Yeah, what do you think about five percenters?

Speaker 2: 39:32

uh, believing in astrology well, the eighth degree in the one to forty, tell you, the sun and moon got attractive power on our planet.

Speaker 1: 39:40

Right Indeed.

Speaker 2: 39:41

So that's right and exact. I'll say they have to put it with astronomy, which is the solar facts. However, I do absolutely think that astrology has the study of it and it's facts.

Speaker 1: 40:01

I'll say that I think horoscopes is different.

Speaker 2: 40:02

It's watered down and religious and stuff like that. Okay, that's different. Like, oh, I'm an aries, so today don't fucking walk in your backyard. You know I'm saying no right. Astrology the sun and moon have attractive power on our planet, you know. We know the sunlight literally affects how you feel, literally, just to keep it a basic level, talk about melatonin, serotonin. And you know darkness and light, the, where you're at on the planet, how close you are to the equator all that stuff is the start, but I understand what you mean.

Speaker 1: 40:29

Now I do know that that horoscope and all that nah yeah, no, that could get crazy.

Speaker 2: 40:34

That could get. That could get real, real crazy. However, I do know that, um, your genetic material right is comprised of the nine months of building when you was in that womb, right. So your mother right was breathing in the air that was currently magnetized right by that particular planetary formation at the time. Okay, so there's a difference in the tides in the water when the moon is here versus where it's there. So it's the same with Jupiter, saturn, so on and so on and so on. They have elements on them, they have stones on them on them, they have stones on them. We know on this planet, different gold, steel, iron has different properties of magnetism push, repel, what it could do. As far as electricity, energy, it literally affects us. It's the same with these other bodies. So that's what I have to say to that.

Speaker 2: 41:36

So we we got into knowing that and we said, oh, they stupid, let's have them worship that now. So we went from we knew self-deification, turn that into hyper ancestor worship. The ancestral worship got dumbed down into nature worship and then, when we 10, seeing that, oh, the nature worship, you can still see in worshiping these trees that all the elements of the universe exists within you and I have force and power over these trees, like literally. So I must be over there, I must be older than that, because what? I'm the author of it, I gave it a name, I take it, so on and so on. So bright people could still see something in that, but it got more of the masses.

Speaker 2: 42:23

So, from self to ancestor worship to nature worship, this dumbed down into what, where we're at now, as far as the mystery, god. So now people just think a formless being that is in the name of a force of nature like santeria and so on, or jesus christ, our law, whatever, now that replaces both of those in an unseen form. So that's how I see, over the millions of years, that the shit got dumbed down to where we at now. It was no such thing as, oh, before a colored man came. For those that don't know, that's a white man. Before the colored man came, we knew knowledge of self and all this, and we was gods in Egypt, and all this Emphatically no.

Speaker 1: 43:14

Right, right Now. Take us back to. I know right now we only got about maybe 15 minutes, Okay, all right, but I want you to take us to, okay, now, you, you got the knowledge born everlasting that whole. You know Cypher over there, god Supreme, who's from Mecca?

Speaker 2: 43:33

If I'm not, if, if, if he's born in Medina, came up in Mecca, yeah indeed.

Speaker 1: 43:37

So now that whole Cypipher, you got the knowledge. When did you fast? For three days.

Speaker 2: 43:44

Okay, yeah. So this is as soon as I came back from learning everything that three days, remember I said I learned math in one day, alphabet in one day, one to ten in one day. I went to Born Everlast's house that weekend and the parliament was like the next weekend after that. So as soon as I went home I fasted three days liquid. How many times you done that fast? Many times I fast with anyone. I teach oh, that's just too. But also, if I'm gonna teach you, I'm gonna fast with you. So that's an easy couple dozen times I didn't talk, so you. So if you fast, if I'm teaching you, I'm going to fast with you, and we do that on the regular in the house, you know.

Speaker 1: 44:26

That's peace. That's peace. So now you fasted, you got the knowledge. What did you do with the knowledge after that? Because you have a lot of different things going on. You and I both are LMTs, licensed massage therapists, you know you're also into you know plants and botany and things like that. Uh, gardening I don't know what's the correct terminology yeah, uh, uh. What else are you into?

Speaker 2: 44:52

okay. So right after that, I just kept being me, I'm, I'm one of those that run my mouth and teach, you know, know and do that. So I always been that God's type of divine 365, you know, seven days a week, all day, every day. However I started, I kept having babies. I get to that. So I have five sons, you know, with my earth, um, we had a teenage pregnancy, you know, um, so I'm getting the knowledge and even that's a whole another build because that our teenage pregnancy right, I'll put it like this we was conscious of that because we was already in the mental state of countering planned parenthood, birth control, eugenics. I'm already there, basically becoming a teen parent on purpose, because I'm ready to do this, moved past that, got the knowledge graduate. I keep studying everything, keep being around my nation, heavy, always around, and moved around a little bit.

Speaker 2: 46:02

Got into a couple years later, right when I met and this would be another because we got to go when I met Niles God is when I got into massage therapy school and Niles God is one of the first born. He's public enemy number one. Right now, I'll say that you know, that's a whole nother bill, but that's one of my close teachers, regards to whom or what. I haven't spoken to him in many years, months or days. However, yeah, yeah, he's, he. I've got it for real from as far as this history but I just to throw that in there for those that know.

Speaker 2: 46:38

But massage therapy school was around this same time. So, being into from fasting from already, because you got to remember my history with the family elder who was in pan-Africanism already had me off court. He was a pescatarian. He'd be drinking chlorophyll. So that's what got me to ask him like who are you, what are you into? And he started to drop it on.

Speaker 2: 46:59

What got me to ask him, like who are you, what are you into? And he started to drop it on me because I came to him like what is this? You wear dashiki, you drinking chlorophyll, what's going on? But it'd been his image my whole life. I just never looked at it as nothing. So when I got to high school, I asked him and that was got me into holistic health. So fast forward, I'm already in a holistic health. I'm already researching all the greats of herbology and so on and so on and stretching and yoga and so on. And this led me to find out about Dr Matulu Shakur and his acupuncture science and how he was dealing with the opioid epidemic back then through acupuncture. But he started with acupressure with his fingers. So I'm looking into him and man top tier, you know, the yellow seed from asia, dude, that gets into the sexual science so they both talking about stimulating the body through touch.

Speaker 1: 47:59

Right.

Speaker 2: 48:00

So that led me to find a massage therapy school and, yeah, I've been doing that since and that is I consider myself a holistic health practitioner. That is my specialty. I'm licensed in that. I do that full time every day. That's what I did today, that's what I did yesterday and as of the past few years and moving to north carolina, we've been gardening, actually something.

Speaker 2: 48:23

One of my sons got us into gardening in the back and we just did that summer 22, 23, 24 and they had opportunity because we homeschooled them. So one of their homeschool co-ops that we're a part of visits farms and stuff. So one farm they visit, run by a black dude, he is doing a tie dye event from indigo plant dye and if you know the history of indigo, that was the number one crop besides us. You know the number one resource out of South Carolina at the time. It's even the reason for the color of their flag. Um, that's denim jeans plantation, indigo dye plantation, that's a whole another build. So he's teaching this. I said I want to go see him. The boys is into him. I want to go see him. Um, I go build with him. This is just this year and I just never stopped going back to the farm after that. So that's how I went from gardening to helping manage an 11 acre farm.

Speaker 2: 49:29

You know, and right now, actually in two weeks, I went so full fledged into this. I started a college program in agribusiness, so I'm actually enrolled in college for agricultural business I'll be qualified in, so I'll be qualified in, farm management, pest control you know what I'm saying Soil amendment, so on and so on and so on. So that's where I'm at now. To make a long story short, the holistic health journey led from me getting knowledge of self. Lost son took me to Born Everlasting, learned my lessons in two months building with the. Both of them Met God Supreme a month or two later, still good with him to this day. So on and so on.

Speaker 2: 50:18

I have many, many older brothers in, don't? I'm not one to say we was talking about one person, even if you ask any of the first born, any of that, how they got it. Oh, I was around this one and that one, that one. Then I got to a law. I was around the law and he put me with this one and that one and yeah, that's what it is. I'm 31, you know. Know now, like I said before, I'm today's mathematics. You know, we're in the month of September, this calendar and the knowledge day. However, I'd definitely like to wrap it up on, or move towards wrapping it up on this. Today's mathematics change every day right, and that's another calendar. Your history of Quran is your physical degree.

Speaker 1: 51:01

Right.

Speaker 2: 51:01

That's why we taught when we get the knowledge you got to know your physical degree. You should at least examine that and get that down. You know so. When I was 17, I was on the 1 to 14, but knew what is the meaning of civilization. You know so your physical degree is what you walk with all year. That's why, earlier I said, through my understanding, you see what the knowledge, the foundation of this, and through what a proper foundation or knowledge in this teaching you'll come to a. What supreme understanding. You know, and that's how we live out the culture of iDubbbz. You know, because everything is real indeed.

Speaker 1: 51:42

So now I wanted to, I want to ask you this question before we cut out. Now, you know, being that, you know you basically started from a pan-africanist, black, nationalist perspective still there, right and being that the five percent nation is neither uh pro-black or anti-white, and and we're dealing with, remember, the seventh degree and a one of 14, right? How do you see that now?

Speaker 2: 52:14

thank you, that's a good one. That's a good one. Okay, coming from one, I just felt I going to go into the degree after. I'm going to dispel the myth that people about pro-Black and anti-white, yes, that could be geared politically, that could be talked about as far as how we handle government and what we're against, our for, and so on and so on. However, if you look at the november 15th oldestville tape, which is where they get that allah's interview, knowledge power day and he said in the interview today is knowledge power y'all hear me, I lost that interview Today is knowledge All right, but he said it, he said it. He said today knowledge All right, you know what.

Speaker 2: 53:06

I'm going to check that video out. So, anyway, he talks about pro-black. That's where they get the pro-black, anti-white and so on. He was talking and this is where they really about to get fucked up. The real context of that is talking about the color man also being a man, a god. That's the real concept of that. That's the real context of that. Because after that he went to I don't care who you are, you're white, color, whatever you could be a five percenter, but five percent one was civilized. This is all the problem.

Speaker 2: 53:40

This conversation he went into and when he was talking about not being pro-black and anti-white and dealing with the white man because he was teaching barry and all that, the mayor's man, mayor lindsey barry, got there. He he told them who is man if he ain't man? He said huh, tell me. And man is god. He said who is man if he ain't man? Yeah, he may be a particular degree of man. However, since you brought up pro-black and anti-white and I got to tell the truth, that was the context of that. People like to put it on. We ain't against the government and we not supposed to be on our own. No, he was telling you why he was fucking with them white folks, because he was totally ending the dogma. Like how he took out skunk in the second degree in the one to ten, and like how he took out devil heads in the one to fourteen and it's just devils and so on and so on. So that's that on pro-black, anti-white, who is man if he ain't man? That's that now, god supreme, what he taught me as a teenager and what he continues to teach me to this day.

Speaker 2: 54:46

He got knowledge in the spring of 64 from prince of love. Firstborn prince lived in his neighborhood. He came back a few months later with the knowledge. After he moved, he put god supreme with black messiah, yuru, allah, all of them from the beginning. So when he first walked up on Allah, he said, oh shit, that's Otis and Buster dad, because he used to run with his son. His sons was from the block, just like him. So he said, oh shit, that's they pops.

Speaker 2: 55:16

He said the first thing Allah was talking about and always talked about was freedom, justice, equality and land of our own. The first thing Allah talked about and that he always spoke about was freedom, justice, equality and land of our own. Don't ever forget we're supposed to be building into a nation. It started as the 5%ers because he got the notion from the lessons of who's the five percent. So when he's seeing that in himself, when he's seeing allah as him. And he went to the streets teaching this and they coined oh, the five percenters.

Speaker 2: 55:51

Right, what came with that was okay, this ain't just teaching, no more. Now it's becoming a nation, as god supreme told me. So I would tell him yo yaku took the black, brown and yellow of his time and made his nation. I'm taking the black, brown and yellow of my time and making my nation. So it was always black nationalism. It was always that somewhere down the line it got watered down and so, oh, with the pro-black answerwhite, we're not supposed to do this, we're not supposed to do that. Shit got watered down. We've always been built in a nation of our own and it happened organically, because they was just teenagers on the streets getting the knowledge. And a lot of people say you know what this is turning into something. You know what we're going to build this. That's why what the 5% is, we've grown into a nation of our own and one day we're going to have to have land of our own. We're going to have to be actually independent and sit amongst the world governments.

Speaker 1: 56:46

This is a fact, that's our teaching. Yo, we got to. We got to stop right there because we got a lot to build on that. I hope everybody's watching. We got to continue and build on that right there. That nation of our own, land of our own. We got to build on that right there. That nation of our own, land of our own. We got to build on that. But I didn't mean to cut your wisdom. God, Peace to everybody.

Speaker 2: 57:06

No, it's cool. I know you was done. I know you was there, we good.

Speaker 1: 57:09

Yeah, so we Thank you for your time.

Speaker 2: 57:10

We're going to keep building.

Speaker 1: 57:11

We're going to keep building so that God is going to be on again. We we'll discuss the time today. I think we already got that locked in, not sure, but you know we'll build on that. The God is definitely going to be back up here again. For all those who enjoyed this podcast, peace to everybody. We are out of here. We got another podcast in about three minutes. Thank you, god, be knowledge. I really appreciate you. Peace, you know your knowledge, wisdom and understanding. And for those who got something bad to say about the 5% Nation, here's a shining example of positivity coming out of the Nation. He was taught by the elders, so to speak. Anyway, peace to the gods, peace to the earth, peace to everybody the human family, the whole family, everybody. We gods. Peace to the earth. Peace to everybody, the human family, the whole family, everybody. We out Peace, peace, peace, peace, Peace, peace, peace.