What is wrong with black people Part 2 - Paul Dyer

The mind is where both our prison and our freedom begin. In this powerful exploration of psychological liberation, Dr. Dyer and host Mikey Fever challenge listeners to examine the thought patterns keeping many Black Americans trapped in cycles of limitation.

Building on their previous discussion about challenges in Black communities, this episode dives deeper into how fear-based thinking perpetuates problems despite external progress in society. Dr. Dyer doesn't shy away from uncomfortable truths: "Black people have a hard time breaking away from their own systematic emotional failures," he observes, highlighting how trauma bonding—the celebration of shared pain—has become deeply embedded in cultural identity.

Through thoughtful dialogue, they examine why residents of struggling neighborhoods often resist leaving, how entertainment targeting Black audiences frequently reinforces negative stereotypes, and the lasting psychological impact of historical policies designed to damage Black family structures. The conversation is both challenging and hopeful, acknowledging historical injustices while emphasizing personal accountability.

Perhaps most valuable is their discussion of healing through honest self-examination. Dr. Dyer encourages listeners to question where their beliefs originated and whether survival tactics passed down from previous generations still serve them today. "If we don't learn how to ask for help or to think about our thoughts, then we stay systematically in racism," he notes, suggesting that true freedom begins with psychological liberation.

This episode offers no easy answers but provides a framework for breaking cycles through self-awareness, community support, and the courage to step beyond familiar pain. For anyone interested in personal growth, community healing, or understanding the complex psychological factors influencing Black American experiences, this conversation provides valuable insights and pathways forward.

Chapters

• 0:16 Episode Introduction
• 5:08 What's Wrong With Black People Revisited
• 10:18 Breaking Out of Neighborhood Traps
• 17:43 Trauma Bonding and Emotional Cycles
• 29:05 National Guard in Chicago Debate
• 39:02 Healing Through Self-Awareness and Honesty
• 54:28 Closing Thoughts and Appreciation

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:16

peace, world peace, world peace, world. Welcome to another episode of nyp talk show. I am your hopes. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show. I am your host, mikey Fever. I hope you enjoyed the show with our brother Ron Brown. That was an hour ago. Oh, dr Dyer Cut out for a second, but we'll be waiting for him to jump back in. Hope all is well. Hope everyone had a great weekend and let's see what's going on. Hold on, we got dr dyer coming back in the building. Yeah, welcome, dr dyer. How you doing, my brother?

Speaker 2: 0:59

welcome, mike, good disconnected good, good, good you.

Speaker 1: 1:04

You fell out for a second and I was talking to our listeners and viewers.

Speaker 2: 1:12

That happens, that happens. I'm here now and you're playing some beautiful music too.

Speaker 1: 1:20

That Erykah.

Speaker 2: 1:20

Badu. We have to give it up to her.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Salute to Erykah Badu man. Let me give up to her. Yeah, oh yes. Salute to Erykah Badu man. Let me give her her sounds. Hopefully you know what I'm saying. Erykah Badu was one of the greatest. Oh my God. Let me tell you, I caught a live show of her one time at Jones Beach. Man, yeah, she worked that magic. I don't know, she tapped into those frequencies and had the incense burning.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Yeah, and all that is true. She does tap into those frequencies of good vibes and we just don't really have that anymore. As much I should say. There could be some people out there I just haven't been turned on to, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:14

Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. Peace to the chat. Peace to the chat. Jewel, jewel and Lotus. She left a comment. I see what she's saying, my sister or brother. But you know, I show you know, as an open platform where we don't hold biases, we allow people to come up here and speak. But if they say something that's outlandish, then we know we will address it. But other than that, you're welcome to watch and we appreciate the support. Peace to you and your husband. So, dr Dyer, tonight's show is part two of what's wrong with black people.

Speaker 2: 2:52

And I've gotten some emails. I've gotten some really flamboyant emails, I should say. And how I would address it to the many people who have listened, who sent the emails saying how can you say that, my brother, you're supposed to be the smart one, and all that? And here's a. If you want to start off with a discussion in an emotional state saying that this isn't true or whatever isn't true, whatever you believe to be not true, um, please come with some factual data, not just from your personal life experiences, not just from, um, now, your personal life experiences. I think exactly you where you're going to look into it from a data standpoint and then start making analysis.

Speaker 2: 4:09

Now you won't get any argument from me when you say, well, all data can be favorable or denied, right, and that's why you got to look at multiple sources. That's just from being a scientist. You got to look at for multiple sources before you speak on it. Okay, because some things can be fluffed and some things can be left out. But from a historical standpoint, and talking to the people I have talked to that's been doing this way longer than I have, whether it be Dr George Frazier, just so many people that's been working on the Black community for 50 years, not just been, you know, like truly trying to help it economically with wealth. With so many people that have been doing this in different sectors, who I have a privilege of talking to In different sectors, who I have a privilege of talking to yeah, those are amazing people, but they give me their data of what they looked at, not just my own.

Speaker 2: 5:33

They give me the things I look at through the brain and how it affects them emotionally and then being on the streets and talking to people who say they deny. And I'll give you a perfect example. When you talk to a black person in a community that isn't favorable and you ask them would they leave, there is a 70% of them will never leave. They won't leave the community that is unfavorable, like whether it be crime written, drug written, whether it be these all things that happens in certain neighborhoods. Why wouldn't you leave if you know this is going on?

Speaker 1: 6:28

Oh shoot.

Speaker 2: 6:28

my hat came off, Sorry.

Speaker 1: 6:32

I was scratching my head, I would say some would stay due to financial reasons. They'll give you the answer. Well, the cost of living here is cheap for me. The rent is cheap, it's affordable. I'm not in that position to afford something in a more prominent neighborhood Truly right. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 6:52

But that's not the answers they give. They give mostly it's because this is what I know Exactly.

Speaker 1: 7:02

Yeah, that's true exactly.

Speaker 2: 7:09

Yeah, that's true. So you're not saying it's not happening in your neighborhood, which is predominantly a black neighborhood, but you know what's going on and the people know you, so you just stay that is not an authentic statement.

Speaker 2: 7:22

so you're staying because you're afraid to leave, but you don't deny that it is happening predominantly in your neighborhoods. We know what the liquor stores, why they set up in Black neighborhoods. We know why pawn stores are set up mostly in Black neighborhoods. We know where the food are set up mostly in Black neighborhoods. We know where the food deserts happen is predominantly in Black neighborhoods. Why do you think that is? It is because they're going off of data points that says that these are unsafe neighborhoods and they, rather, liquor stores, would rather keep people drunk, confused and relied upon to drown their sorrows than to fix their sorrows put them in a vicious cycle exactly what's designed it puts them in a vicious cycle.

Speaker 2: 8:17

so the cycle that we constantly talk about. What's wrong with black neighborhoods is that you're stuck in a vicious cycle of not correcting the cycle, which is why it stays the way it's staying. You can't blame that on white America that keeps you in, okay. So if you say white America produces so much of a rent hike in other neighborhoods that it keeps people, black people out, that's not the only neighborhood you can move to, oh, but it's near my job, okay. So now you've given me reasons to stay, but you're not denying other reasons that they are happening in your neighborhood. You see what I mean. Like I understand, like you said I, I know what I have here, my rent's here, I I get here, but you're not denying that the neighborhoods are set up for you to fail okay and so you keep locked in that that's.

Speaker 1: 9:21

That's fair to say. You know that. We know the neighborhoods are designed that way to fail. You know the lack of resources, poor education, yeah, um, and you gotta take in consideration, you know, people's backgrounds, walks of life, what they come through. There's a lot of mental health issues that take that take play in that, that take part in that. You know, um, the lack of resources, liquor store, the drugs that were placed in the community, but it takes a individual with a strong will to break through that. But there are times, as you say, people drowning their sorrows, trying to escape escapism through drugs. So that's a a whole other issue right there too.

Speaker 2: 10:08

It's all correct, but you can't so when people say what's wrong with black people. Black people have a hard time breaking away from their own systematic emotional failures. Black people have a hard time breaking away from their own systematic failures. It's not. It is not a system that keeps you down. You fall into the trap of. It's a system that I'm playing to that doesn't allow me a chance. So you're still waiting for someone to hand you something, instead of someone for you to develop something. If you're waiting for someone to hand you a chance, that's not going to happen in your neighborhood because of the data. How is that systematic racism when you keep yourself in the system?

Speaker 1: 11:08

okay, that's fair to say. You know, and I think we got a lot of great back for that about what people were not agreeing that dr dyer is not acknowledging systemic racism. We know they were, they were, they were um obstacles in our path Systems. Yeah, systems that were created to throw us off the path. Absolutely Not many of us had the perfect head start. Correct, Correct, Redlining discrimination and such right.

Speaker 2: 11:37

But see so even in redlining. What about those people who took their stuff and moved to neighborhoods anyway with that in place? So what do you call those types of people?

Speaker 1: 11:52

People with a strong will.

Speaker 2: 11:54

With a strong will to make a difference in their lives, not in the system's lives, not in their neighbor's lives, but in their lives. There's a Sidney Poitier movie that goes back into the 50s, right Just about moving out of a neighborhood and the mother of Sidney Poitier was buying a house with her Social Security was the betterment of her son, the wife and the grandchild. So, with all the heat that the movie has put on them about them fighting over their own interpersonal, racial issues, they did it anyway. There's tons of people who sat in class. I sat in classrooms where I was the only Black person there, so should I have?

Speaker 1: 12:50

not been in that class because I didn't feel comfortable. You, you were there for a goal, you had something you wanted to accomplish right right but you know what dr dyer too, and that's not not kind of not playing the devil's advocate, but put it in perspective is that Our people have, you know, to think a certain way.

Speaker 1: 13:14

Well, we, based on, based on experiences that we have encountered, have a distrust for law enforcement or the system enforcement or the system, and it's not their fault because they, because you know what their family members have witnessed, what they have heard and the experiences we have gone through. So it's like we just stuck in a survival mode at all times. It's just survival instincts and sometimes that doesn't bring out the best correct, the best of you to reach your full tenacity. You know you're constantly stuck in that survival mode. In order for them to break that, they got to have a place where they can just be at peace, because you got to think about it. You got the television that gives them the narrative, the media. Then you have our music All right, entertainment. We tend to trauma bond, that's all you know. Know, let's keep it real. Our people, we trauma bond like the more trauma you go through. We measure our pains, we play yo. You know that's a real person because he's been through that and you know how he or she may, you know, have overcome that.

Speaker 1: 14:16

You know we, we respect that. So you think there's something within our psyche that how we view ourselves is to be that, how we view ourselves is to be survivors of chaos.

Speaker 2: 14:31

Yes, and we've talked about this before, because once you're in a fear-based atmosphere of your emotional mind, you will always stay stuck in that cycle, whether it be someone harming you physically or mentally, whether it be someone treating you fairly on your job. But you know you get paid every two weeks, even though you don't like the situation you're in. It's hard for you to so you keep yourself stuck in a cycle that you don't even care to be in, but you give yourself enough reasons to stay, which then locks you in still back into not as successful or not advancing your mental acuity, not advancing your emotional strength, not developing a will to break things, strength, not developing a will to break things. We get so accustomed to what you call a trauma bounding and that it's easier just to stay. Now I'll give you another example of that, too, is that if you watch black entertainment you mentioned this too whether it be the music that is more popular than others or TV shows that are more popular than others, they shed themselves in entertainment, shed a negative light on the culture of black.

Speaker 2: 16:03

Black TV shows show more, more.

Speaker 2: 16:06

We call the the violence of being who you are, whether it be, um, some, some gang show, but they make it right and they, they have all this money and they're running their little thing or they're running their little enterprise.

Speaker 2: 16:24

It's always on a negative side of the law. It's very few, very few, that when people in the Black community and Black entertainment make it to a successful stage in life, and that's where the drama comes in Right, and that's where the drama comes in Right. So we're not saying that none of life has drama or none of life has other types of experiences. But why does a black entertainment industry promote more negative side of the legality of living than on a more tumultuous street life and they popularize that and it seems like, oh, this is okay, it's not okay. Just like we could talk about the more popular music, how they call our women, all sorts of derogatory names that shouldn't be popular and actually in no other music that is ever popular in except for black entertainment, not one country, not one country song ever talks about. They may talk about a bad woman who treated them bad, but they didn't call them no bitches and hoes.

Speaker 1: 17:47

You're right, they usually just be crying about infidelity and they dog died Right Right, I understand what you're saying but you know from that, see on both sides of the spectrum.

Speaker 1: 18:03

this is why I say this conversation is most important to have. When you see those movies and the entertainment, you're hearing the lyrics and you're hearing the song. It's because people are really living that reality. Yeah, and you know. Their way of saying you know F you or stick it to the man is that you say I couldn't do this. Watch me go out there and earn this currency untaxed and throw it in your face. You understand Like I'm going to make the places, the place, the things you said I couldn't afford. I'm going to go out there and buy it. I'm going to take care of my family and show you that you know what I don't need your system, which is crazy because you're still on a system, because you know they bring exactly so exactly.

Speaker 2: 18:45

You're still in the system, and that's what I'm talking about you. You don't want to be in the system, but you're playing in the system.

Speaker 1: 18:51

Just because you're getting the coin from the system doesn't mean you're not in the system, and that's systematic and the the thing about is the talent they're going to show, is their resilience, and their mental is like all right, I'm going to play in this, but watch me take this money and clean it and do something more positive with it. You know, open a legit business and such. Whatever the case may be. So right, it's a trap, as they put it. It's a trap Depending on which way you step in.

Speaker 2: 19:22

Which is why they call drug sales trap sales.

Speaker 1: 19:29

Yeah, it's a trap. How can, how can we break that trap, that vicious cycle, like with the drug?

Speaker 2: 19:33

we gotta start saying no, I mean, it's. It could have started out with neighborhood watch, but sometimes, when other neighbors don't want to get involved, keep my head down. I, I don't want to be involved. It keeps me this way, right, it keeps me safe. So you're not saying that it isn't right, it isn't this or it's bad, right, you're saying I don't want to get involved. So when do you get involved? When is it putting someone in office that's going to clean up your streets? Is that getting involved? Are you doing at least that? From the voting percentages, the answer is no. A lot of black people just don't vote. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 20:17

We're not saying some do we're saying that we're 12% of the population. We don't have 12% of the population voting Right of the black populations.

Speaker 2: 20:29

We don't have it you know, it could be due to a lack of information, misinformation and just losing this, having distrust for the system, correct, losing all hope right, because politicians are crooks and they lie to us and they do all this and you're not going to get an argument from there because there's some nasty people out there doing nasty things who only look for power. But you have to. Then, still, when you start opening your voice, when do you start calling on? When they get enough calls that? It's sickening that this neighborhood is calling all the time to clean my neighborhood up.

Speaker 2: 21:10

Maybe we should look into the neighborhood, right, but then maybe that person that's controlling that neighborhood puts the fear base back into the community, saying who's ever tells on me that these innocent, honest people are going to get harmed? So even the Black community keeps you in fear, along with systems we have a fear for, which is political. We have a we have a distrust of. So where does that leave us? It leaves us in, in, in a revolving door of doing nothing, looking for a handout and keeping their head down world operating, it's the world operating within worlds.

Speaker 1: 21:54

We have our own world that we live within. So, being that, you say that when they would clean up and you know, wanting to remove crime for our neighborhood and all the ills within the black community, right what today's climate was taking place? You know I have been catching little drifts here and here and there about Trump wanting to send the National Guard to Chicago. Yep, and I'm not going to say I'm astute politically, but I just want to ask your perspective on that. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2: 22:24

I agree with it. I think it should have been done years ago. I think it should have been left up to a governor to do it, not a president. I think A clean. To get rid of roaches you have to bag up stuff, you have to clean stuff and then you have to fumigate. This is a type of fumigation. It should have been done years ago. This is a type of fumigation. It should have been done years ago.

Speaker 2: 23:05

Right, I understand the discomfort of it that it will cause, because everyone will have to be checked and they will probably be treated more of a criminal than not. You sweep my neighborhood and you come through my house and you're saying your house is clean, check it off the list and move on. I have no problem with that, as long as they get to that next house and they clean that rat house up. Right, because it's getting rid of the poison. We can use all the metaphors we want, just like it would be cancer. You have to go in and create do chemo, which chemo doesn't really specifically target as much as they would like to, but it does ruin other parts of the body. We have to clean it and if we can't clean it on ourselves, then let's get this military president and push things through, because it's just, I'd rather have a clean neighborhood in four months than to live like this for 40 years or four years that's what I agree with you.

Speaker 1: 24:00

No, you know, I see it from both sides of the spectrum. Like you know, these mayors and governors could have done something if they wanted to, or were they restrained from doing such things? You understand. So that's how I look at it, you know, from both sides. But I also look at it as this thing could uncover old wounds based on historical events that took place when they had national guards in certain neighborhoods. When things happen, you know it could erupt, it could go both ways. But I do want to see inner cities cleaned up, with a drop in violence and such.

Speaker 2: 24:42

These are our homes, this is where we live, this is where my cousins live, this is where my grandmother lives. These are families that are stuck and imprisoned in their home because by a certain time of night I got to get indoors. That only happens in black neighborhoods. At a certain time of night I got to get in, I got to get inside. That's sad when I've lived in other neighborhoods where walking at 11 o'clock at night doesn't cause me any grief, doesn't cause me any harm. It's just a peaceful, sunny night and I just want to enjoy the air and walk around.

Speaker 2: 25:21

There's not many neighborhoods you could do that in the inner city trap neighborhoods that people live in. Walk around 11 o'clock, for what you better. Take that inside. That doesn't. You're only setting yourself up for a possible slug being thrown your way or a possible something right. So then it goes back to that fear base. So I'm living always in fear. Now my fear shortens in the daytime, but I'm still so hyperactive emotionally that it's destroying me. And that's where we are with. The emotional base is why we're stuck in a mental circular trap we are. We've been stuck in such a long. Tremendous things yes, historical things were set up to roadblock us, but those issues are not an issue anymore, and that's the difference between systematic racism. There is no systematic racism anymore. It is something that we just must have to do for ourselves to be systematically free. And that's where the fear comes in.

Speaker 1: 26:32

I got you. I'm glad that you said that and as a brother professor base they salute. Salute to shawnee, piece of the chat. Um, it's true, because you know the condition and the colonialization we could constantly keep harping on that it's also. Yeah, we know already, but it's the things that we. What's so crazy about it is that in the cities, we know that we don't have no ships. We don't have no ports.

Speaker 1: 26:58

We're not gun manufacturers, but somehow guns always find their way in our community. As Fab once said, you got children that can't read, but they can load a magazine.

Speaker 2: 27:07

You understand Absolutely. And you question these things like so who do you, if we trust, if we distrust white people as much as we say we distrust, then who's giving the kid the magazine? It has to be someone that looks like us.

Speaker 1: 27:26

Yeah, who has a handle Right, somebody who sold themselves out. So it's such a vicious cycle down to the liquor store like, and I get it, you know it's all commerce, because these companies, you know they gotta earn their money. It's not like they forcing it down your throat, but it's there, it's there. They use the marketing and stuff and it's up to us because, you know, you know, back then I'm not a heavy drinker but I used to run to get my little hennessy here and there. Yeah, get you a cigarette and all that. It's like we have been studying, studied so well. You know, turn your audio up. My bad creative. I got you. Brother. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me, dr Dyer?

Speaker 2: 28:09

I can hear you.

Speaker 1: 28:10

Yeah, I turned my audio up. Yeah, so that's what I love, my thought, but you may continue my bad.

Speaker 2: 28:19

No, no, no, no. What you were saying is that you know, even though we may have these trepidations that we do, it doesn't mean that we can't live a normal life with the liquor stores in our neighborhood, right, yeah, can't live a normal life with the liquor stores in our neighborhood, right, um, and, and, and. We could have this. It's not like this, the only neighborhoods, right. It's not like they're not anywhere else, but they use more liquor sales in in, in what you call broken neighborhoods, they have more of a liquor sales than they would have unbroken neighborhoods.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Yeah, that makes sense when I was saying, as far as the conditioning right, we have been conditioned to hate ourselves so much. Yes, Devalued, you were a human being, forced into servitude, beaten. They turned you to a nigger. They gave you a definition of a nigger. You've been called that. We pick it up as an insurance and endearment and you know we lost our path, our mores, our way of you know being spiritual. And then they force this religion upon you. They forced it that they forced the religion upon you gave you an image of a saintly deity son of christ, whatever.

Speaker 1: 29:46

So now you've seen the person that devoured you, turned into a slave. His image, his or her image, is seen as holy, holy and your image is just like lost Beast-like, no value whatsoever, right? So then you pick that up. Now you out your mind thinking that I must be if I don't look like them. That's where colorism comes from. I'm not saved, I'm not holy and such. And then you have groups, you have individuals that came about to teach their people, you know self-salvation, to pick yourself up like the noble Drew Ali's, the Elijah Muhammad's, clarence 13x, the father of Allah, and all that. And we reject these individuals so that we're teaching you about knowledge of self, love yourself, self-preservation, unity.

Speaker 2: 30:37

And we killed our own people.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Exactly yeah. So how can we go back? How can we, as they say, bring the family together?

Speaker 2: 31:08

Well, I think, if I mentioned this before, I think the more people who've never dived into our historical presence on this planet and they may be finally doing that now they're so angry about the mistreatment of what we have been treated as they may know some segments Most of the people maybe just know what the segregation segments are or the slavery things but there's been so much more throughout the world. It's been a world planned right. We didn't understand the full complexity of the plan which I grew up with. My mom and my dad always taught us about the complexity of the plan. So the things that were happening, it was like look out for the detour sign because it's going to come. And when I see the detour sign, this is how you can effectively maneuver around the detour sign. That came from such young education and teaching from my mom and my dad and my family members.

Speaker 2: 32:15

So I I've never harped on detour signs.

Speaker 2: 32:20

I was never like shoot, I guess I'm not able to do that anymore, I guess I'm not able to do this, I guess those things never came into my psychic. It was always about okay, I have a plan and I'll reach out for help, or I'll have someone help me with my plan, someone who's been there, someone who's on the other side, right, so I'm trying to be successful in an entrepreneur business. I reach out to the other side for a person who's actually made it to the other side and says this is what I did, because there's not a person on the planet especially when it comes to the Black community that won't help you, pull you over To say here's my breadcrumbs. This is how I did it. Now you may have to adjust here or there, but this is how you can do it. But if you're not reaching out and you're not getting your own emotional fortitude settled and understand why you think the way you think, I'm not denying your thinking, but do you understand why you think the way you think?

Speaker 1: 33:32

I was told that today. I kind of had that today. Somebody was mentioning that to me. It's our thinking too. It's very distorted through pain, you know Because?

Speaker 2: 33:44

we are the most studied and they know how we think.

Speaker 1: 33:48

Very emotional, irrational at times. And again Irrational, trauma-bounded, and I hate to times and again trauma-bonding, and I hate to put this like this, but somehow ignorance is celebrated.

Speaker 2: 33:59

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 34:01

It is celebrated. You could be logical or you could speak with proper vernacular. They see it as you're trying to be white which I always found very sickening to me trying to be white, which I always found very sickening to me. How can somebody that's articulate, educated, trying to sound white, so you're trying to say to be so-called black? It's synonymous with being foolish right, foolish or ignorant yeah, or illiterate weird. So that's, that's weird, yeah. So where does these stereotypes come from?

Speaker 2: 34:32

we build we? We build them into ourselves because we're so connected to the pain. Right, we're always trying to say that I've overcome, or it's always a crisis, a revelation of I got through the crisis. How about try not to have crisis and just have situations? Right, everything's got situations. You call it a crisis. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why you call it such a crisis, where it's just a situation that you have to get over, and I'm not what you call soft footing around what it is or what it isn't. But you know, I'm not going to call something a crisis just because it's difficult.

Speaker 1: 35:25

Got you.

Speaker 2: 35:28

And if you, and if that's why I think people don't? People don't understand their thought process, they don't understand the history of their thought process, they are not connecting to their own thinking process and they don't think about thinking. I'm not saying so. If you think something, ask yourself where did that thought process come from? Like, where did this? Where did this negative part of my thinking, where did that stem from? Did someone teach me or did I just fall into it?

Speaker 1: 36:08

exactly it. Wow, that's true, that's a, that's a. That's a great assessment that you just said right there, because I hear it. All right, the nuclear family, right as we know it, there's been an attack on a nuclear family since the time of the 60s when welfare came about, 40s, you know, I can't recall the date, but the nuclear family being under attack, especially the black family, yeah, and it it somehow celebrated in situations that I know personally and and have heard, where you know, separations happen and you got both sides that would use a child as a pawn, right, you know, you got mothers that want to say single parent, you're just a single woman, not a single parent yeah, you're seeing a woman yeah, and fathers say the same thing, but they just lose sight of that.

Speaker 1: 37:00

and then the system helps perpetuate that more you get what I'm saying and then it destroys that, it destroys that structure, that that fabric, very fabric of family. And then day one it perpetuates another generation of that same thing. So we got people running around here feeling incomplete and this is the product that you see, that's outside in the world now.

Speaker 2: 37:25

Single parent home and son. And again these factors. You said the 60s, but when they start removing the male from the woman's area of operation, I was going to say AO. That's usually that slavery movies where the welfare people were saying you can't get a check unless he leaves the house. And in this movie I just I remember that it was Cicely Tyson and oh my God.

Speaker 1: 38:10

Was it Claudine or James? Earl Jones?

Speaker 2: 38:13

Yes, claudine, right, right, classic, classic, right. And. And he said you're not going to tell me what I'm going to be with my family. And he stayed and they worked it out and they you know, he had his own personal struggles, she had his struggles, but they stayed as a family. So this is not something new. This is something that we had to either say we're going to stick together. I may have my own personal troubles, I may have my own thing, but we are sticking together and we're going to have this family.

Speaker 1: 38:48

Shout out to the creator of Boundless Universe. That's a fact. Willie lynch played a role too. That willie lynch letter oh yeah before dr diet. Absolutely. It's so detailed and graphic and such a vicious plan that it was so oh it's smart, yeah, it's smart very intricate. It's like the so-called enemy studies you so much more than you study yourself.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Exactly, and that's what I was talking about before. Right, if you don't know how you think, then someone's implanting a program into you so you could think this about yourself.

Speaker 1: 39:25

Exactly. They know your every move, how you're going to react.

Speaker 2: 39:29

How you're going to react.

Speaker 1: 39:30

He's going to get angry. Make sure you put those new ports in that store for him, that liquor store right there. Tax season coming around, let's put these sales up in the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 39:43

Let's let them spend more money on throwback jerseys than putting some money into education or trade school. You have a throwback jersey that costs how much? I don't know. I don't have one. How much is a throwback jersey? Give me a price.

Speaker 1: 40:00

I don't know. I can say like $300, $600. Anybody in the chat knows how much a throwback jersey costs. If you can recall wearing those back then.

Speaker 2: 40:08

Or an authentic jersey, but if you're going to spend, let's say, $300 on a jersey where now you can actually go online and get like an IT security specialist license, for the same price, I mean right.

Speaker 2: 40:30

It's the same prices as a jersey and sneakers. You can enroll yourself into schools. That is willing to take and pay for your schools. If you just enroll to help you better yourself or to spend on a class. If you want to get into real estate, so we can help you get into real estate and so you can start, you know, um, working those different endeavors. There's tons of opportunity out there. So what's the reason why most people who go into it are not people of color?

Speaker 1: 41:05

they don't want to work for the men, they want to do for self. And I'm not saying there's nothing wrong wanting to do for self, I'm all for that, I respect it. 100. But you know, some people like you say they want to get out that system or they don't have the time. They may not have the time due to circumstances, you know then why have?

Speaker 2: 41:23

why have the time to spend it on a jersey and sneakers?

Speaker 1: 41:26

because that's a mental problem there was this book called um how to sell a Negro, Buying of a Negro. I forgot.

Speaker 2: 41:35

Absolutely, it was a story. It was actually a book about how to inflate the Negro. It actually was started in, I want to say, the 40s. It was about a hat maker how to sell to a Negro. Matter of fact, I think there's a video out there of how to make a Negro feel important when they're buying a hat. The price goes up on a hat and yet you let them feel like they're important because they were feeling important by the clothes they were wearing. So that clothes gave them status, whether it be a new pair of shoes or a suit or whatever. So they're not like the other field Negro, I'm better right. So this was all wrapped up into selling to the Negro and they perfected it.

Speaker 1: 42:21

Well, creative Balance said the key in Willie Lynch was to get the so-called Negro woman to eat from his hand and she would serve the male children to work for him. Perpetual servitude that's a fact. My brother, I agree. That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 42:43

And we have policies to prove that. It worked in slavery. It worked in the 30s. The New Deal came out with Lyndon Johnson and it worked in welfare. It works and we keep allowing it to work because we keep adhering to it.

Speaker 1: 43:03

Of course. So this is why we need to do work, both male and females. I say the most important thing is the family structure and just a sense of community outside, even if you're single.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:16

We need to learn how to respect one another again, how to embrace one another. I know it sounds like I'm looking for, you know, kicking a fantasy to you, you know.

Speaker 2: 43:32

But the song stays the same. Its song has never changed from when you have a person like Harry Tubman, who has shot Negroes because they didn't want to escape. It's a known fact. She shot Negroes because they were going to tell, because they didn't want to get caught. We have more of those people who need so sad that needs what you call a Harriet Tubman lesson because they're afraid of getting caught.

Speaker 2: 44:08

they're afraid of taking that power will chance to move to the other thing, Like how in the world do you get a slave to fight for the South?

Speaker 1: 44:24

Make them a false promise. That's right. But you know what was so real, what you said, the buy and sell into a Negro. I remember a few months ago there was a whole uproar where china came online and said we, what you consider so-called fake clothes, we make in the same factory as these real clothes that you get from these designers that you pay top dollars for. I remember explaining that to people within my circle and I was like you. You were out there spending rent money on a bag where you could go right down to canal street downtown off the ground and get that bag for 40, 50 dollars.

Speaker 1: 45:04

Meanwhile china's exposing it and they're like no, I would never do that. I gotta go to the store, get store, get the full experience. You know, and I'm not knocking you, it's your money. You do what you want to do with it. But it has been exposed to you for years. Like the cost of making that bag is five cents. A person is getting paid five cents an hour, maybe 20 if lucky 20 cents. But you will spend your hard-earned dollars on that and I get it. It reward yourself. But it's like again, you want that social status to be part of the inclusive exclusive.

Speaker 2: 45:39

You get what I'm saying I do, but we but when you, when, like when we do wealth summits and wealth um closing the wealth gap and in the black community and and I've been part of these summits and I've always talked about the mental part of why people are afraid of being wealthy. So many Black people are afraid of being affluent because they've always been subjected to being underfoot. And when you're not underfoot and you're out there trying to do what you need to do, it's kind of scary out there because if you don't work, you don't get paid. If you're not out there hustling trying to build your brand, trying to do this, nothing happens. No one just bumps you in the head. But you can work really hard on a job and maybe get a thank you, maybe. Maybe get a thank you and you're okay with that yeah, the mind of a negro.

Speaker 1: 46:52

I think the next show we should do is exploring the mind of the negro. How many?

Speaker 2: 46:59

we could do it right now. It's sadness, it's complete sadness, and that sadness created a sickness and that sickness created systematic racism that they believe they're in. So they're still upholding redlining. No, there's no redlining. If you can afford a house, you buy the house. Now there is no redlining anymore. Right when you're black, you literally can't buy in this neighborhood. They can call it redlining because all the houses in this neighborhood are this figure. Now, that's not saying you can't buy, it's saying that you can't afford it because you don't know how to work it to get there. If you stay on this path, you're only going to get so much to the ceiling, like your ceiling has a limit.

Speaker 1: 47:47

And the thing about it, I'm all for it. You know, get your dollars, get your home thrive, do what you must do, right. But what happens when those who do follow the path? They go and leave the neighborhood and go into these affluent neighborhoods, and then they got to deal with the racism Right For going there. Like you know, sometimes they feel like Okay.

Speaker 2: 48:12

So we said this before. One of the things that we can't stop is racism in America, of course, right. So there are racism in America. There are racist people of all different shapes and sizes and colors in America, but being systematic, isn't it? You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 48:36

Now you can go to that neighborhood that you've always maybe wanted to, and you may have an unwilling neighborhood that doesn't like you there. That's good for you and it's good for him or them or whoever they are. The reason why it's good for you is because it's getting you out of your comfort zone of how to navigate your life, of how you want to live. You may never talk to that neighbor again, matter of fact. You may have nothing to do with that neighbor neighbor again matter of fact. You may have nothing to do with that neighbor. And there may be some little, you know, slightness that goes on, right, like my garbage can is always getting knocked over. It's got to be, it's got to be him right, like, of course, right. So you may get into some of those, but you're not going to get into blatantness, because it's always subtle, right? Um, they may never wave at you, isn't that okay for you?

Speaker 1: 49:44

that's okay right, that's fine I wouldn't care I don't want to tasteeless potato salad with raisins.

Speaker 2: 49:57

Right, you may have a barbecue at your house and your whole family comes over.

Speaker 1: 50:03

So what.

Speaker 2: 50:04

That has nothing to do with them or you, so it doesn't cause you any strife. It doesn't cause you any sickness. It just means you're moving forward.

Speaker 1: 50:17

Exactly that's true.

Speaker 2: 50:19

Now, if they kill your dog. We have a whole other mental issue to it.

Speaker 1: 50:25

Then we turn to John Wick. I got you Right? No, but you know, because I do feel like we within our communities, and I love my people I love, I love people, period.

Speaker 1: 50:37

But I love my middle-nated brothers and sisters. I don't care what country you come from. I want to see the day when the neighborhoods are cleaned up. Yeah, put aside, you know, even for those who don't see the vision. You know I'm saying there may be a point where you have to get rid of them, but I do want to see our communities become the affluent community.

Speaker 2: 50:58

Absolutely, and it can be. But we create our own chaos by creating our own noise. We're so addicted to the chaos and the noise so we can drown out our own personal thoughts and feelings.

Speaker 1: 51:16

That's true. That's true. It's easy to blame someone else instead of taking that accountability.

Speaker 2: 51:24

Like I love. I love, like I've never understood the thumping of music, when I love music so much, listening to a crisp sounding audio system where I can hear the notes and the feelings and the lyrics and the tonations and whatever is going on that is putting together this flavor of sound. I love all that, but when it came to the high thumping, it muddled so much that. Are you listening to the music? Are you listening to the thumping, which some people could say, well, the thumping resulted into the heartbeat or the drum beat of the native. Okay, resulted into the heartbeat or the drumbeat of the native.

Speaker 1: 52:18

Okay, but the drumbeats of native drums have pitches to them. The backbeat.

Speaker 2: 52:21

Yeah right, it has a pitch to it. It doesn't have a one sound model, model, model. It has certain pitches to it, which is why the heart it is why it can resemble the heart as a drum, because the heart has different pitches to it, just like good drumming or good types of beats have pitches to them. But if it all sounds one thing, they're not trying to get to your emotional side, they're trying to keep you stuck into a empty side no substance, just noise noise no substance, just noise, got you, my god, dr dyer man, my brother man, you really.

Speaker 1: 53:02

You really came out tonight, man, and demonstrated as always. For us, man, it's a pleasure to have you on here. It's a, it's a real pleasure and we gotta we gotta come back with a different show man. I really want to get into the mind and the making of a Negro I believe we've done something like that but to go real deep into the science and the making of a Negro, because it's something that we have to. As Brother Ron always said, we gotta kill that Negro.

Speaker 2: 53:28

We do. We do Because that Negro is the overseer.

Speaker 1: 53:34

Yeah, and salute to creative balance universe. Thank you for this, but a super chat, he said. We have to realize those people are damaged mentally and suffering as well. They are manifesting from a fear they have as well. That's a fact, brother, that they have as well.

Speaker 2: 53:50

That's a fact, brother, that is a fact. And we talk about that fear base. And so here's where we can solve the damaged person mentally that is suffering. We cannot look into a crystal ball. We are not soothsayers, we are just not.

Speaker 2: 54:07

This is not a magic show. Someone has to say something, or someone close to them has to say something to say Mikey, you're not feeling well, let's get some help. I'll go with you, let's find someone. Matter of fact, let me call the show, let me email the show and see if Dr Dyer knows anyone in this neighborhood, this area. I probably do Right that you don't have to travel that far from to get this worked out, because once you start understanding your own thought process, you become mentally unwound. So now you get to lay it out and to see it from the 30,000-foot view to say, man, I've been living like this, this has caused me this, this has done this, and now you can actually seek individualized help Like how do I get past this anger, how do I get past this type of thinking every time this comes up? That's a fact, man. But we can't do that unless either someone close to you that says something or something you recognize that you want to keep unfolding and start thinking about your thoughts Got you and how they got there.

Speaker 1: 55:25

Hmm, so basically is healing a lot of psychology. Which psychology approach would you recommend for our people? Traditional or that dark psychology?

Speaker 2: 55:36

I I say first be open and honest with yourself. That's the psychology. If you can't do that, there's there's nowhere to, there's, no, there is no basis for you to go anywhere if you don't be honest with yourself. Like you know, I I've been thinking like this for a long time. I'm not even sure if it's right, it may not be right or wrong, but do you understand why you think that way? That's all like it's. There is no right and wrong do, but do you understand why you think that way? Well, I got this from my mother, I got this from my mother, I got this from my grandmother. Okay, well, she was brought up when she was carrying over from. This was her survival technique because she was raised in this era. So she kind of put that on you and you're carrying over to this era. But it has split. We're not in the same era, so you cannot use the same tactics. We're not in the same era.

Speaker 1: 56:32

So you cannot use the same tactics, and I believe I mean not believe. I know that's one of the Achilles heels that we're dealing with. It's stuff that generational things that were passed down that were not properly vetted or examined Right right, and that's for another show. Dr Dyer, my brother, I appreciate you, man, for coming out tonight.

Speaker 2: 56:50

Always. It's been a blessing, because I do as you said too, mikey, and I've told Ron this I want our people to heal too, because without healing, Including myself.

Speaker 1: 57:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:03

Yeah, I mean myself also. That's why I do what I mean. I look at myself all the time and my thought process and how I think or whatever. But if we don't learn how to ask for help or to think about our thoughts, then we stay systematically in racism.

Speaker 1: 57:26

Exactly. No, it's true, Because my thing is I'm quick to poke the middle finger up and just say you know what? No, it's true, Because my thing is I'm quick to put the middle finger up and just say yo, you know what, I just want more. I don't got time for the back and forth, Like before somebody here get hurt. Man, let me get up out of here and give you that middle finger and call it a day. So, with that being said, don't forget people to comment, like, share, subscribe. And we want to thank you, Dr Dyer, for coming out tonight again. This doctor is great. You can reach him, he's accessible. This brother will give you the necessary tools you need to take the next step forward. We love and appreciate you, Dr Dyer. Thank you for coming out, my brother.

Speaker 2: 58:04

All right Peace brother. Peace my people Be kind, compassionate and be safe out there.

Speaker 1: 58:09

Definitely Anytime brother Peace. Kind, compassionate and be safe out there. Definitely Anytime brother Peace.