Why shouldn’t we call ourselves black Part 5

The hidden history of Moorish sovereignty reveals a stunning truth about identity in America. In this fifth installment of "Why Shouldn't We Call Ourselves Black?", hosts Ron Brown, Abdullah, and Israel unearth compelling evidence of Moorish territorial governance spanning over a millennium – challenging everything most people have been taught about their heritage.

Through meticulous historical documentation, the conversation reconstructs the timeline of Moorish rulership from Prophet Muhammad's era through the powerful caliphates that spread across North Africa and into Europe. The evidence they present isn't merely academic – it's revolutionary. European coats of arms, statues, and paintings depict Moorish rulers who phenotypically resemble modern African Americans, not the current inhabitants of Morocco who claim Moorish identity.

Most striking is the revelation of George Washington's 1789 letter addressing the Moroccan Sultan as "our great and magnanimous friend," demonstrating clear diplomatic recognition of Moorish sovereignty by the earliest American government. This documentation presents a radical alternative to the narrative that people of African descent were universally viewed as inferior or lacking national recognition.

The hosts make a compelling case that "black" isn't simply a descriptive label but a strategic classification that erases pre-existing nationality. The systematic expulsion of millions of Moors from Spain and other European territories between 1499-1614 represents a deliberate campaign to displace and disconnect people from their sovereign heritage – a process that continues today through historical erasure.

What emerges is a pathway to remedy through "reversion to sovereignty" – reclaiming a pre-existing Moorish nationality that was never surrendered, only suppressed. For anyone questioning conventional narratives about identity and seeking deeper historical truths, this episode provides essential documentation that will forever change how you understand the past and your place within it.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Moorish Identity Series
• 6:32 Moorish Rule: 600-700 AD Timeline
• 15:30 Territorial Sovereignty and Nationality
• 26:03 The Moorish Conquest of Iberia
• 35:30 Examining Moorish Phenotypes and Ancestry
• 43:10 From Caliphates to Kingdoms: 900-1400 AD
• 52:41 Christian Orders Against Moorish Power
• 58:00 The Expulsion of Moors from Europe

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

what's going on? What's going on out there, everybody, it's ron brown, lmc, the people's fitness professional reporting for duty. Uh, aka, soul brother number one. I just want to let y'all know. Be be sure to like, comment, comment, share, subscribe. I also want to make mention of this as well. This is a universal platform. This is a universal platform. We have everyone on here. I'm going to say this every podcast from now on. We have everyone on here. We have Moors. We have Moors from the temple, moors that are not in the temple, no-transcript and things of that nature. So I just want to let that be known. Thank you, brother Abdullah. Israel PCR Really appreciate y'all coming on and dedicate into the, you know twice a month, and I asked y'all to come on twice a month. You're here and you're doing a great job. All right, we're going to go into. Why shouldn't we call ourselves black? Part five, aka. Why should we call ourselves black? Section B a. Continuation of part four reclaiming the stolen legacy of our Moorish estate. Peace.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Peace, peace. So this is part five, why we shouldn't call ourselves black. Section B, a continuation of part four reclaiming the stolen legacy of our Moorish estate. Territorial sovereignty Embodies, acquisition of territory, loss of sovereignty, land, boundary session treaties, territorial jurisdiction, law of succession, change of sovereignty of a people in the united states constitution sorry, change of sovereignty of a people in the united states constitution. So these are elements of the international legal principle called territorial sovereignty. Nationality this is the Sankofa bird it symbolizes to look back into the past and get what you left, get what was forgotten or correct what was wrong. The Sankofa bird, with the fads on, is looking back, grabbing his Morris nationality. Nationality is interrelated to the following principles National self-consciousness, national consciousness, national pride, national culture, national character, national coat of arms, national seal, national flag, self-governance, national sovereignty, constitutional self-governance, constitutional name, diplomatic protection, treaty protection, consular relations, self-determination, national name and national identity.

Speaker 1: 3:52

Can you rewind that again? Go back to that. So nationality is interrelated to the following principles. I just want to read that National self-consciousness, national consciousness, okay, national self-consciousness. I guess you know I'll ask that off air because you know you guys gotta, you know you got something to do here uh, national pride, national culture, national character, national coat of arms, national seal, national flag, national self-governance uh, national sovereignty okay, okay, okay, that now, okay, now it's, it's clicking, now, okay, pardon me, yeah yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 4:35

So, starting in the 600s, oh 16 ad, prophet muhammad introduces islam. 632 ad, prophet muhammad transitions also. 632 AD. Prophet Muhammad transitions Also. 632 AD, the Rashidun Caliphate Was established as the first Islamic empire After the death of the Prophet Muhammad In 632 AD, with rulers such as Abu Bakr, umar, uthman and Ali, who were all close companions or relatives of Muhammad. The Rashidun era established the Islamic calendar, a standardized reading of the Quran and other institutions strengthening Moorish Muslim communities.

Speaker 2: 5:13

640 AD, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territories to Mesopotamia, syria and Palestine. 642 AD, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territory to Egypt. 643 AD, the Rashidun Caliphate rule reaches the majority of the Sassanian Empire. 654 AD, the Rashidun Caliphate expands its territory to Cyprus. 661 AD, the Umayyad Caliphate, named after Umayyad ibn Abd al-Sham of the Banu Umayyad clan, with its capital at Damascus, is established by Mu'awiyah I after the first fitna, which is a Moorish Muslim civil war caused by the assassination of Khalif Ali, who was one of the rulers of the Rashidun Caliphate. So this is showing more his rule In the 700s. 17 AD, count Julian, a Christian nobleman of Suta, seeks assistance from Musa ibn Nusayr, the Umayyad governor of, and his general General and his general Tariq ibn Ziyad to overthrow the Visigoth king Rotary. This marks the beginning of the Moorish Islamic conquest of Iberia. 711.

Speaker 1: 6:42

AD. Yeah, yeah, this is good. Okay, so I like the timeline we're following here. This is peace. Now, when you speak of the Moorish Amuyid Caliphate, what were their phenotypes?

Speaker 2: 7:04

I didn't going to that.

Speaker 3: 7:05

Phenotypes if you look at the Ron good question. If you look at the coat of arms and, in Europe, these various European families throughout Europe, you'll see the phenotypes that look like me. And you Look at statues and statuettes, paintings, you'll see the phenotype that look like me. And you Now what they show those who are claiming to be Moors in the what they call the Kingdom of Morocco. If you those, they actually are, they actually are taking our identity. Those Spaniards and French are taking our identity and they, spaniards and French, are taking our identity and they're claiming to be Moors because the statutes and the paintings and the arms don't look like them.

Speaker 1: 8:21

That's a good point.

Speaker 3: 8:22

Yeah, that's going back to putting that as you said, that's a good point.

Speaker 1: 8:25

Yeah, that's to say, we just going back to putting that as you said, that's a good point, absolutely that's a good point, because I've never I haven't like, because I remember the coat of arms that you're talking about. I've seen many of them. They're all like really dark. You know, they look like us. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a good point all right.

Speaker 3: 8:51

So with these. So these are, you got people that look like donald trump pointing to they're connecting us because we they have their in their coat of arms. We are have their coat of arms, we are in their coat of arms. And this is throughout. You know, you got even Southern Europe. You have Eastern Europe. This is huge. You even names In JR Rogers' book Nature Knows Our Color Line, Chapter 6, that Nicolás Moore and European aristocratic in the coat of arms of European families. I mean, there are thousands of coat of arms, and you have also family crests. We have statues all throughout Europe. So how is it now that the Moors look like those in the King of Morocco? How did that happen? That's?

Speaker 1: 10:01

a good point.

Speaker 3: 10:05

There's no connection. It's just that we see, you know the king of Morocco and you see, oh yeah, the Moors. But, like I said, our people don't know the history. And then we clearly showed Ron in parts one, two and three and started with looking at going back to part one, that the Blackmore in the 1560 Geneva Bible, 1599 Geneva Bible and other references, like 30 or 40 references is Blackmore and Blackamore. Throughout the 16th, 17th, 1800s, blackamore was interchanged or used synonymically with Negro and Ethiopian Right Negro de Moros, negro de Moros used in Spanish text. The evidence is overwhelming. So great question, brother, great question.

Speaker 1: 11:17

All, right, now we're going to 17 AD 713. Sorry, 713.

Speaker 2: 11:25

713 AD Treaty of Tudmir Is made as an agreement Between the Moorish Muslim commander, abid al-Aziz ibn Musa and the Visigoth ruler Theodomir Tudmir. In Arabic Outlining the coexistence and governance In the region of Tudmir Modern mercy outlining the coexistence and governance in the region of Tudmir. Modern mercy of Spain. Both parties agree that Theodomir will continue his rule in the southeastern part of the Iberian Peninsula and the practice of religious freedom, with a tribute text for practicing Christianity called a jazaya, and no assistance to enemies of the Moorish Muslims. So, 718 AD kingdom of Austrias is established by Pelagius Pelio in the northern Iberian peninsula. 718 AD or 722 AD Christians of the kingdom of Asturias defeat the Moors in the Battle of Covadonga and marks the first time in history of Christian victory against the Moors, giving inspiration to other Christian forces.

Speaker 2: 12:33

750 AD Battle of Zed. Abbasid Caliphate defeats the Umayyad Caliphate by combining forces with Shia Khawarij and Iraqi forces. Over 300 members of the Umayyad family died. 756 AD Umayyad Emirate of Cordoba, with Cordoba as its capital, is established by Abid al-Rahman I, an Umayyad prince who fled Andalus Iberian Peninsula during the Abbasid Revolution. In 750 AD, the Battle of Rancevo passed between a Frankish army led by Charlemagne by invitation and support from Suleiman al-Arabi, a Moorish Muslim governor of Tule Tula, today Toledo against the Umayyad Caliphate.

Speaker 2: 13:43

800 AD, cordoba, the capital of the Umayyad Emirate, later becoming the capital of Cordoba and also known as a city of light during the Dark Ages, becomes the major center of power and knowledge, controlling a large portion of the Iberian Peninsula al-Andalus. 800 AD, the Aghlaibid dynasty, with Qarun al-Qarun as its capital, is established by Ibrahim ibn al-Aghlab, who was granted the province of Ifriqiya by the Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid. The Aghlobid dynasty acknowledges the Abbasid caliphate. However, they still exercise considerable autonomy and establish a hereditary dynasty. 846 AD, the Aghlobid dynasty raided and sacked Rome, establishing themselves as a major force in the Mediterranean Sea real quick now.

Speaker 3: 14:49

This is important because this shows us our position of governance and rulership. So when he's talking about dynasty, you're talking about a line of bloodline secession, rulership and also governance, and that's important that we could, and so way we're doing is to tie the international principle of reversion to sovereignty and old and original state. So this supports our claim of our pre-existing sovereignty, and that meaning, when you talk about the principle of reversion of sovereignty, is to revert to a pre-existent sovereignty that we lost. So it shows that we were governing. So just to make the claim that we're more than some loose people no, no, no, no, absolutely not that we're more than some loose people. No, no, no, no, absolutely not that we belong to this power. This is a pre-existing power.

Speaker 2: 16:04

It's showing the activity of our. Go ahead, isabel. It's showing the activity of our rulership, of our sovereignty, but it's also showing how we were against each other as well. So it's showing what you know we can learn from our mistakes the same culture. Look back, learn from our mistakes.

Speaker 3: 16:26

And it clearly showing that nationality, that our Moorish nationality, is interwoven with our pre-existing Moorish sovereignty. So just making this thing that we're Morris and make it clear that we're not presenting this to make it a point of interest, this is an interesting point of facts. What are we directing the people to? A pre-existing sovereignty that we have been in her right to claim? Directing them towards the remedy, directing them towards the remedy. There you go.

Speaker 2: 17:11

So 900s. The second Umayyad caliphate of Cordoba was the dominant Moorish power in Al-Andalus. 909 AD, the Fatyad Caliphate of Cordoba was the dominant Moorish power in Al-Andalus. 909 AD, the Fatimid Caliphate, with Cairo as its capital. A major center of learning, culture and trade was established by Ubaid al-Almadi, bilal Dila, challenging the authority of the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad. Sunni, on the grounds of claiming to be the rightful leaders of the Moorish Muslim community through heirship of the Prophet Muhammad's daughter, fatima. 909 AD, the Aghlaibid dynasty comes to an end due to being overthrown by the Fatimid dynasty. 929 AD, abid al-Rahman III declares himself as caliph of the Umayyad Caliphate, marking a political shift severing ties with the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad. 1000, 10 hundreds. 1009 AD, the Taifa kingdoms emerged after the fitna of Al-Andalus, a period of internal strife and civil war which caused the decline of the Umayyad Caliphate of Cordoba, centralized power as well as the death of power figures like Al-Mansur. 1040 AD, yahya ibn Ibrahim established the Amurvid dynasty that exercised territorial sovereignty over northwestern Africa and parts of southern Spain from 1056 AD to 1147 AD. 1062 AD, marrakesh was founded as the capital of the Amurvid dynasty. Marrakesh was founded as the capital of the Almoravid dynasty. 1085 AD, king Alfonso VI reconquers Toledo. No-transcript. 1096 AD. First Crusade against the Moors begins. 1099 AD. Order of the Holy Sepulchre is established. 1099 AD. Christian Knight Crusaders capture the holy site known as Jerusalem for Moors. Muslim rule 1100s. 1102 ad. First crusade comes to an end. 1113 ad. Sovereign military order of malta, sanctioned by pope pacho the second on february 15th. 1113. Order of the knights of saint john of jerusalem. Latin ordo fretrum, fretrum hospitalis. Sanct Ionis Harosolimitani, also known as Order of St John. Order of Hospitallars. Knights Hospitallar, hospitallars that's where you get hospital, the word hospital. 1118 AD. Knights Templar. Hugues de Payens, a French knight, establishes a military order to fight against the Moors and the Turks, calling it the Poor Knights of the Temple of King Solomon, later to be called the Knights Templar. Last Grand Master Jacquees de Molay. Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States of America celebrated 200 years, 1816 to 2016.

Speaker 2: 20:41

1138 AD the siege of Shazar. 1148 AD the siege of Damascus. 1153 AD siege of Escalon. From January 25th to August 22nd results in the capture of the Fatimid Egyptian fortress, the last Moorish stronghold on the Levantine coast, by the Kingdom of Jerusalem. 1171 AD the Ayyubid dynasty is established by Salah ad-Din Yusuf Saladin, being honorable to the Abbasid Caliph in Baghdad. 1171 AD. The Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt comes to an end due to the overthrow by Saladin, a Sunni general, and accompanied by internal strife, economic problems and external pressure, including the crusades and Seljuk Turks. 1195 AD. Amahai forces defeat the king of Castile, alfonso VIII, at Alapros, stopping Christian advances and pushing them back. 1198 AD. Saint John of Mata, order of the Holy Trinity and captives.

Speaker 3: 21:57

Saint John of Mata, order of the Holy Trinity and Captives. Now, going back to see how this is, he's chronicling this. Now you have various African scholars will chronicle. You know the type of inventions. Inventions or we built the pyramids, or or we developed the calendars and things like that. But they don't get into the rulership though, and all that's important too. So let me out all that's important the calendar making the pyramids, all that's important. So I'm not minimizing that, but they don't touch the rulership.

Speaker 3: 22:41

So what is what Israel is chronicling is rulership. You're talking emirates and caliphates, governance. There's a three volume book by SP Scott, the Moorish Empire in Europe, and he chronicles this. The various, the name, the various caliphates and caliphs, and emirates and emiratesates. Those are rulership, those are governance, sovereignty, more sovereignty. This is important that we direct people to this a pre-existing sovereignty, so we can what? That's a remedy, that's our remedy here reversion to sovereignty as an old and original state, the recovery of our lost sovereignty. But you have to know that you have a preexistence, that we have a preexistence of sovereignty to recover, and know that we have the inherent right to recover, and know that we have the inherent right to recover, to restore.

Speaker 1: 24:00

The inherent right to recover and restore. I agree with that. What I've noticed is that whatever we claim, state, claim to other people from different ethnicities or nationalities, they always try to shoot it down, you know, and try to say it's not real, is fake, and this, that and the third, which would mean that to combat that we would be, we would have to be up on our own scholarship, we would have to take our own scholarship to another level. So not only you, brothers, but everyone listening who knows this information, understands this information. Whether you are prophet noble joel, from prophet noble joel's teachings or whatever teachings you come from, if you claim to be moorish or moorish american, then your scholarship has to be stepped up, because we're getting hit from all different angles with, uh, the claim that we are not so. So it's extremely important for us to pick up the books and and get better at being scholars to combat that to, uh, you know, confirm and affirm our moorish nationality.

Speaker 3: 25:19

Well said brother, Well said Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 25:30

Twelve hundreds, 1212 AD. Alfonso VIII seeks to reclaim lost territory by appealing to Pope Innocent III for a crusade against the Almohads. 1212 AD. Battle of Las Navas de Toloso between the Almohad dynasty and the Knights Templars, protectors of the Christian faith. The Mercedarian Order. Order of the last Moorish Muslim kingdom in Granada, emirate of Granada. After the decline of the Almoravid dynasty in Granada, oh. 1238 AD. Muhammad I Ibn Nasir begins to build the Alhambra, which begins to build Alhambra. 1248 AD. Muhammad I Ibn Nasir established relations with Christian Castile. He paid tribute and provided military assistance to King Ferdinand III in the 1248 Siege of Seville in exchange for recognition and a fragile peace. Siege of Seville in exchange for recognition and a fragile peace.

Speaker 2: 27:08

St Peter Nalasco was the first superior of the Mercedarians and also held the position of ransomer, the order being concerned with the freeing of Christian prisoners from the Moors. The Mercedarians were originally a military order of knights. Saint Peter himself was never ordained priest and the first seven generals or commanders were chosen out of the knights, though the friars were always more numerous. Saint Peter required of himself and his followers a special vow, in addition to the usual three vows, to give everything, including one's life should it be necessary, and even to the point of acting as hostages in order to free others. For the redemption of captives and the oppressed. The blood vow. That was the blood vow for them to give themselves as hostages in exchange for other hostages, other Christian, christian hostages that were held by Moors. According to records, the Mercedarians accomplished approximately 70,000 rescues, including some to 2700 during the founder's lifetime. So they were training themselves to become captives. The Mercedarian St Peter Nolasco, founder of the Mercedarian Order, cathedral door depicting St Peter Nolasco and a redeemed captive person. Mercedarian member of a Roman Catholic religious order founded by Saint Peter Nolasco in Spain in 1218 for the purpose of ransoming Christians who had been taken captive by the Moors during the Crusades. Founded as the Order of the Blessed Virgin Mary for the ransom of captives, it was originally a military order, ie a brotherhood of knights.

Speaker 2: 29:07

1300s, the Nazirate Emirate of Granada remains as the only significant Moorish Muslim-controlled territory in the Iberian Peninsula, out on the Loos, with rulers such as Nasir, 1309-1314, ishmael I from 1314-1325, muhammad IV from 1325-1333, and Yusuf I from 1333 to 1354. Muhammad V also ruled from 1354 to 1359, and again from 1362 to 1391. 1340 AD, yusuf I of Granada, emir of the Nasrid dynasty, seeks military assistance from the marinated sultan of Morocco, abu al-Hassan Ali, to counter threats of the Castilian king. Alfonso XI of Castile and Alfonso IV of Portugal. Defeat the Moorish Muslim forces led by Sultan Abu al-Hassan Ali of Morocco, of the Maronite dynasty, and Yusuf I of Granada, the mayor of the Nasrid dynasty, in the Battle of Rio Salado. Battle of Tarifa, marking the last large-scale Moorish Muslim invasion of Al-Andalus. Slash Iberian Peninsula, modern Spain, as well as Christian control over the Iberian Peninsula.

Speaker 2: 30:51

1348 AD. Order of the Garter, founded by Edward III of England, to honor, reward and to reinforce loyalty among his knights, particularly the hundred years war. 1362 ad order of the of the most holy annunciation, founded by emedius, the sixth count of sabal savoy. 1400s. 1430 ad. Order of the golden fleece, founded by Philip III, duke of Burgundy. 1455 AD. Pope Nicholas V issued a papal bull called Romanus Pontifex, which granted King Alfonso V of Portugal exclusive rights to explore, conquer and establish trades and lands south of Cape of Cape Bojedor in Africa.

Speaker 2: 31:35

1469 AD. King Ferdinand II and Queen Isabella unite their kingdoms via marriage to strengthen their powers to fight against the Moors Nazarid Caliphate. 1491 AD. Treaty of Granada, on November 25th, between King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile and the Sultan of Granada, abu Abdullah Muhammad XII, bobdil of the Nazareth dynasty, ending the Moors Nazareth Caliphate. In Granada, 1492 AD. Christopher Columbus, cristo Colombo, sails west on a discovery mission in search of evidence of Moors lands of the West in which Spain acquired territorial sovereignty via the 1491 Treaty of Granada, called Intercaterra Divina, which grants Spain the right to discover, conquer, colonize and subjugate the indigenous Moors in their lands in the Western Hemisphere under Papal powers. 1499 AD. Francisco Jimenez de Cisneros campaigns to convert all Moors Muslims into the Catholic Christian faith. 1499 AD AD through. 1501 AD. Exposition of nationality through subjugation. Violations against the 1491 Treaty of Granada by Spanish Catholic monarchs King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile.

Speaker 3: 33:03

This is what they're still operating on, Ron, we're talking about today. This is what they're still operating on. This ain't over. This is not over. This is not some past history you know about today. This is what they're still operating on. This ain't over. This is not over. This is not some past history. Let's move forward. Let's move in the future now. This is what they're still operating on.

Speaker 1: 33:21

They're still operating from 1491. Yes, absolutely 1491. And then come 1492. And then 1499 to 1501. That's key, right there, right.

Speaker 3: 33:45

Yep, and they have what? The annual or every Christopher Columbus Day. So what is Christopher Columbus Day? It's the celebration of the Intercaterina Divina. When you say discovery, discovery is the Intercaterina Divina? It's not. It's not the well, they found something. You know what I mean. It's not discovery in well, they found something. You know what I mean. It's not discovery in that sense. Let's be clear. This is very clear. When they say discovery, christopher Columbus discovered America. When they use the word discovery, they know that they're not using it in the sense I know what's in the textbooks, I know what they were taught in the textbooks in schools. They're not using in the sense of their finding something. No, it's Intercaterina Pope, pope Alexander the 6th, intercaterina 1493, 1493. Pope Alexander VI entered Katerra Divina 1493. So that's what they're celebrating and they're maintaining that. We got to be clear, you know, because we'll get caught up with the. You know they didn't discover anything. You know what I mean. But people are here, but that's not what this is a claim that they're making.

Speaker 2: 35:19

They had to go find the evidence of what existed for their people for this integral territory to be granted. They had to make sure that stuff the lands actually existed, because they didn't know anything about the lands until we was teaching cartography.

Speaker 1: 35:36

But it was all sanctioned by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella.

Speaker 3: 35:42

No, pope Alexander VI, intercaterina Divina, that's Pope Alexander VI. That is the father. He's the father of the paintings that man actually existed, the painting they call Jesus. That painting's all over the world. The painting's all over the world and they call Jesus that man existed. That is not a made-up man. That man existed.

Speaker 2: 36:10

He's a bourorgia, I think yes, yes, borgia.

Speaker 3: 36:12

Yes, michelangelo was commissioned to paint the picture, a picture of Pope Alexander VI. He's part of the Borgia family. Son that man existed. Yeah, son that man existed.

Speaker 1: 36:34

Yeah, so Cesar Borgia is Pope Alexander the sixth son.

Speaker 3: 36:39

Yes, his son, his son.

Speaker 1: 36:42

You serious.

Speaker 2: 36:47

We got a picture on the wall.

Speaker 1: 36:48

Yes, I got to do the knowledge to that. Now Hold on.

Speaker 3: 36:54

Hold on, it's the gorgeous family.

Speaker 2: 36:58

Bourget, bourget, yep.

Speaker 1: 37:04

Yeah, I know about Cesar Bourget being the so-called Jesus, but Pope Alexander VI, is this the father? Yep, that is.

Speaker 3: 37:14

Intercaterina 1493. Intercaterina 1493. Mark 6, 1493.

Speaker 1: 37:24

Okay, so this is something that I got to research because that is, let's say if this is right and exact right. This is something that I got to research because that is, let's say, if this is right and exact right, this is actual fact. No refuting it, you can't at all. That is sick, because that picture was in everyone's house growing up back in the day, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 37:48

My grandfather, my grandmother, had a picture of that Martin Luther King, martin Luther King. In that picture it was like placed side by side, right when you walk into the house, right to the right of the house, my grandmother's house. I remember seeing that picture every time. Every time I went to my, we walked to my grandmother's house for years man, you know what that does mentally.

Speaker 1: 38:12

Oh yeah, Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 38:14

It's like a curse right. He's not a made-up character, he's a real. He really existed.

Speaker 3: 38:20

But that's be, that's be more that's AI, has just confirmed it.

Speaker 1: 38:27

Alright, ai, even though people always got something to say about AI. Now, but Boy, that got to be. Yeah. All I did is type in the two names. Oh well, and it just confirmed what you just said. Okay, this is spooky man.

Speaker 2: 38:51

Y'all make the people conscious, becoming conscious man.

Speaker 3: 38:54

Self-conscious.

Speaker 1: 38:58

All right, let's go 1500s.

Speaker 2: 39:03

1502 AD, spanish crown orders the Moors to convert into Christianity and thus called Moriscos. 1514 AD, on May 20th, the corporation of Trinity House is established by King Henry VIII to raise money to pay the ransom of Europeans held in Moorish captivity. 1530 AD, holy Roman Emperor Charles V grants the Knights Hospitallard the island of Malta. 1535 AD, charles V of Spain attacked Tunis. Then, under the control of Ker and Den Barbarossa, slash Redbeard and Ottoman governors of Algiers. 1540 AD, knights of Rhodes. 1541 AD, in the expedition known as the Battle of Algiers. 1541, muley Ismail Hassan Agha of Algiers defeated Emperor Charles V of Spain in his large army. 1566 AD, king Philip II of Spain forbade Moorish language, customs, clothing, etc. Leading to revokes. 1574 AD, ottoman Empire defeated Spain and regained control of Tunis. This is referred to as the conquest of Tunis of 1574. 1588 AD through. 1598 AD, bankruptcy the economic decline of Spain.

Speaker 3: 40:42

Now I want the audience to pay attention Now, the 1500s, 1500s, what's the 1500s? The so what's the 1500s? The so-called transatlantic slave trade, 1500, 1600, 1700. Look at our power. See, this is what they don't want us to know. This I'm talking about. We're not just we're talking about, we're talking about having power over them. We're talking about fighting them, sieging them, sieging their ships, holding that captivity Portugal, spain. Let's look at the countries that was involved, that claims to be involved, in the so-called massive 12, taking 12, over 12 million of us in the holds of ships for 300 years France, england, slash Great Britain, the Dutch Republic and the Netherlands. And look at what do they all have in common? They were all in what wars with Moors? They were seized by Moors.

Speaker 2: 42:06

Moors captivity.

Speaker 3: 42:07

Moors captivity. This is, and I have this. I chronicle this heavily in Moorish and Macy part one. Go to moorishandmacyorg if you're interested in the book Moorish and Macy part one. I have receipts, treaties, letters, diplomatic correspondence. This is in court. These are in war records in Portugal, state records, amateur records in Spain and the Netherlands, oregon and Castile. Thank you, ron.

Speaker 2: 42:47

You're welcome. And another thing no one can start black history in the 600s. They can't do what we're doing for Morris history.

Speaker 1: 42:57

Oh, no, right. So if you go like black history, they have to start with slavery. Because of the title or the terminology, they just have to start right here in the 1500s?

Speaker 2: 43:12

Yeah, because you know, king Philip forbade Moorish language, moorish customs, moorish clothing, right.

Speaker 3: 43:20

So Moorish had to convert. That's the Palmatica, that's the Palmatica of 1567. The Palmatica of 1567. Philip II, absolutely See.

Speaker 2: 43:33

They said Moor said more, don't say blacks this is the cause and we're dealing with the effects today yup.

Speaker 3: 43:46

This history relates to today.

Speaker 2: 43:48

Today today is 743 today. Today, today is 743 pm, eastern Standard Time, 9-10-2025. Yeah, so Spain then, and now Moriscos under Philip II, ruled 1556 to 98. Under Philip II, the question of what to do with the Moriscos was increasingly debated, because the integration had not been successful and they were suspected of heresy. Philip was ever mindful of his father, charles V's, advice on his deathbed to wage unrelenting war on heresy, support the Inquisition and throw the Moors out of your kingdom, carr 117. If there is anything that identifies Philip's reign, it is his determination to uphold Catholic orthodoxy, and in this he was actively supported by the Inquisition. 1600s, 1609 AD to 1614 AD, king Philip III of Spain carried out the systematic expulsion of Moors, slash Moriscos, from Spain. Approximately 300,000 to 300 million more slash Moriscos were expelled, primarily settling in North Africa.

Speaker 1: 45:16

1610, AD Hold on Yo time out. Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you understand what you just said?

Speaker 2: 45:30

Yeah, large numbers.

Speaker 1: 45:33

Expelled, primarily settling in North Africa. Hold on, let me read that again. Can you read that? Okay? King Philip III of Spain carried out the systematic expulsion of Moors Moriscos from Spain, approximately 300,000 to 300 million.

Speaker 3: 45:59

No, no, no, not 300 million. Is it 300?

Speaker 2: 46:03

Yes, Some have counted up to 300 million.

Speaker 3: 46:06

Oh wow, oh, I never saw that. Yeah, I mean, I know millions, but 300 million, oh wow, I never saw that. I mean, I know millions, but 300 million 300,000 to 300 million. That's 300 million. That is 300 million.

Speaker 1: 46:17

All right, slash Moriscos were expelled, primarily settling in Africa, north Africa.

Speaker 3: 46:28

So let's say, if this is, but it's definitely in the millions, ron, it's in the millions. Am I dead?

Speaker 1: 46:34

yet Definitely the millions, let's say, let's say, let's say let's say, let's say if it was in the millions, it's 30 million Ron and this is 1609 to 1614 AD. It's all around slavery and all of this stuff happening. When you look at Morocco today, that would make sense. If you look at North Africa, the shade of the people out there, that would make sense. The shade of the people out there, that would make sense. The shade of the people out there, they are not really like. They're not from our bloodline really.

Speaker 3: 47:21

Remember, keep in mind, ron, the people that look like us have been displaced. Palestine let's go to Palestine.

Speaker 1: 47:30

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 47:31

They're not the real, they're not the original.

Speaker 1: 47:35

People who don't look like them, right? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying because they were expelled. Right, they were displaced.

Speaker 3: 47:42

Right, I'm talking about even in the early 1900s, early 1900s too. If you look at pictures of those in Palestine, egypt, palestine, they look like me and you, early 1900s, okay, what they've done, even in the kingdom of Hawaii, the kingdom of Hawaii, china, japan, I mean we go on. See what people, what it is Rod, is people looking at today? They don't, they're looking at today, they're looking at you know so they, so they're, they're, they're, they're, they're reflecting, they're thinking that. The people always look like that. The Chinese always look like that. The Japanese always look like that. The people in those areas always look like that. The Chinese always look like that. The Japanese always look like that. The people in those areas always look like that. Palestine, they always look like that. Israel, they always look like that. Egypt, they always look like that. The Kimo Rako, they always look like that. That's not true. See, they don't have a reference. They don't have a reference, they don't have a reference point to before right, right, right.

Speaker 1: 49:03

So now, um, we're going into, we're going. Okay, now you put some new numbers up there, yeah yeah, that's what I, yeah, yeah, that's what I saw.

Speaker 3: 49:12

that 300. I heard something in the millions too, um, because you have um then that you're talking about in Spain. All right, because you're also in England. England expelled several hundred thousand of us, england, for a period of 50 years period. England, 1610. Expulsion of Moors 1610. It was a couple hundred thousand, yes, so it was not just Spain too. We got England Heavy. Couple hundred thousand, yes, so it's not just Spain too. We got England Heavy. Expulsion of mores.

Speaker 1: 49:53

This is an important part of history that, of course, you don't learn in school, and I don't think anyone learns in any school all over the planet, worldwide, and so when we claim to be Moors, it's far fetched for them, because they believe that we are Negro, black, negro blacks and colored. So our history, to them, starts with slavery. Our history to them starts with slavery. Anything else before that, to them, we were in the jungles and all that.

Speaker 3: 50:27

Uncivilized. That's in their mindset. That's fact. They're socialized like that. That's fact.

Speaker 1: 50:37

Now we're going on to 16. 16. 1610, a10, ad 1614, the expulsion and exportation partration of the Moors from Spain by decree of Philip III of Spain. Okay, of Philip III of Spain.

Speaker 2: 51:01

Okay, so yes. 1631 AD the Alawite dynasty. Alawite dynasty was established by Sharif bin Ali. 1666 AD to 1672 AD al-Rashid, son of Sharif bin Ali, becomes the Sultan of Morocco under the Al-Awad dynasty and unites the country after a long period of regional divisions caused by the weakening of the Saadi Sultanate. 1643 AD end of the Spanish dominance in Europe.

Speaker 2: 51:34

1671 AD order of the Dane Bro, founded by King Christian V of Denmark. 1687 AD. Order of the Thistle, founded by King James VII of Scotland. 1693 AD. Order of the Elephant, founded by King Christian V of Denmark. 1698 AD. Order of St Andrew, founded by Cesar Peter the Great of Russia. Ad. Order of St Andrew, founded by Cesar Peter the Great of Russia. 1700s. 1725 AD. Order of the Bad, founded by King George I of Great Britain on May 18th. 1727 AD.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Malay Ismail exercised a strong central rule over Morocco, but his death brought instability and civil wars due to his sons competing for succession. 1748 AD Order of the Seraphim, founded by Frederick I of Sweden on February 23rd. 1757 AD through 1790 AD, Sidi Mohammed ibn Abdullah, Mohammed III of the Alawi dynasty restored stability during his reign until his death in 1790. 1786, Treaty of Peace and Friendship is established between the United States and Sidi Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Sultan of the Moroccan Empire under the Alawi dynasty, Alawi, 1789 AD. George Washington becomes the first president of the United States federal government distinguished from the United States confederal government and sends a letter to Sidi Mohammed Ibn Abdullah, sultan of the Moroccan Empire. And this is the letter George Washington to Sidi Mohammed, 1st December 1789. To Sidi Mohammed, New York, 1st December 1789. To Sidi Mohammed, New York, 1st December 1789.

Speaker 2: 53:23

Since the trying to get to where everybody can see, so since the date of the letter which the late Congress, by their president, addressed to your imperial majesty, the United States of America have thought proper to change the government and to institute a new one agreeable to the constitution of which I have the honor of herewith. In closing the copy, the time necessarily employed in this order arduous task and the debt and the derangements occasioned by so great though peaceable revolution, will apologize and account for, your majesty's, not having received those regular advices and marks of attention from the United States which the friendship and magnanimity of your conduct towards them afford a reason to expect, the United States having anonymously appointed me to supreme executive authority in this nation, your majesty's letter of the 17th of August 1788, which, by reason of the dissolution of the late government, remained unanswered, has been delivered to me. I have also received the letters which your imperial majesty has been so kind as to write in favor of the United States to the Bashar's of Tunis and Tripoli, and I present to you the sincere acknowledgments and thanks of the United States to the Bashar's of Tunis and Tripoli, and I present to you the sincere acknowledgments and thanks of the United States for this important mark of your friendship for them. We greatly regret that the hostile disposition of those regencies toward this nation who have never injured them is not to be removed on terms in our power to comply with. Within our territories there are no, no mines, either of gold or silver, and this young nation, just recovering from the waste and distillation of a long war, have not as yet had time to acquire riches by agriculture and commerce. But our soil is bountiful and our people industrious, and we have reason to flatter ourselves that we shall gradually become useful to our friends.

Speaker 2: 55:20

The encouragement which your majesty has been placed generously to give to our commerce with your dominions, the punctuality with which you have caused the treaty with us to be observed, and the just and generous measures taken in the case of Captain Proctor made a deep impression on the United States and confirmed their respect for and attachment to your imperial majesty.

Speaker 2: 55:44

It gives me pleasure to have this opportunity of assuring your majesty that, while I remain at the head of this nation, I shall not cease to promote every measure that may conduce to the friendship and harmony which so happily subsists between your empire and them. I shall esteem myself happy, in every occasion, of convincing your majesty of the high sense which, in common with the whole nation, I entertain of the magnanimity, wisdom and benevolence of your majesty. In the course of the approaching winter, the national legislature, which is called by the former name of Congress, will assemble, and I shall take care that nothing be omitted that may be necessary to cause the correspondence between our countries to be maintained and conducted in a manner agreeable to your majesty and satisfactory to all the parties concerned in it. May the Almighty bless your imperial majesty, our great and magnanimous friend, with his constant guidance and protection. Written at the City of New York the first day of December 1789, George Washington.

Speaker 1: 56:46

Interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting document, great presentation, man. Just there's nothing to even do but study. You know, the information that you were given. Hold on no, no, no, goes to silver. Not true, full corresponding, I don't know what when. What's going on over there in that chat? I'm not even paying attention to the chat, pardon me, chat, I'm not paying attention to you all today.

Speaker 1: 57:16

Anyway, thank you, brothers for coming out and really, you know giving us more and more information. You can go into civil letter in the playlist in the YouTube and you can follow from first video to now. If videos are missing, it's probably because I didn't put any some of them in there. But if I didn't, I'll make sure I put everything in there. If I didn't, I'll make sure I put everything in there. So you'll get all of Civil Letter or Abdullah and Israel's videos all in one thing and you can like watch one one. You know to all the way into now to you know, get up to speed of what's going on. Thank you, brothers, for coming out this evening. Any last words, anything like that.

Speaker 2: 58:00

Thank you for having us on here, brother. Yeah, thank you for having us on here brother, yeah, thank you for having us.

Speaker 3: 58:03

Brother, man, great guy, and I can say you, you're. You're definitely been growing over the past five months, brother. We've been on rocking with you for about five months now indeed, indeed, thank you.

Speaker 1: 58:13

Thank you, man, I really appreciate you. Thank you, everybody who's watching. We're about to do another podcast in two minutes and we're out of here. Peace, peace.