Divination through Tarot - Ayaba

Have you ever wondered what happens when the veil between worlds thins enough for ancestors to communicate directly? In this captivating episode, spiritualist Ayabas Wind reveals the electric phenomenon of tarot divination where cards don't just fall—they fly out of the deck with startling force, leaving clients with goosebumps and undeniable evidence of spirit presence.

Ayabas brings clarity to the often misunderstood world of tarot, distinguishing between the structured system of traditional tarot cards and the story-focused Oracle decks. She explains how these tools function as conduits for spiritual messages rather than simple fortune-telling devices. What's particularly fascinating is her description of how cards become "almost like a living entity" in the hands of an experienced reader, choosing when and how to reveal themselves.

The conversation takes unexpected turns as Ayabas shares insights about spiritual hygiene, the dangers of ego in divination work, and why some spiritual paths should not be pursued without proper preparation. Her warning about shadow work and certain decks associated with darker energies serves as a thoughtful caution for listeners. "When you do shadow work, you know, it can go real deep and real dark, and some people are built for that," she reveals, explaining how some excavations of the soul can unearth energies that not everyone is equipped to handle.

Perhaps most valuable is Ayabas's humble approach to her gift, repeatedly emphasizing that she is merely a vessel for ancestral wisdom. "It's the spirits doing the work," she insists, reminding us that true spiritual work requires setting aside personal ego and allowing higher guidance to flow through. Her perspective offers a refreshing authenticity in a field sometimes clouded by self-importance.

Ready to experience the ancestral electricity of tarot for yourself? Connect with Ayabas through Instagram @AyabasWind or email AyabasWynd999@gmail.com. Mention you discovered her through this episode, and begin your journey into the profound conversation between worlds that tarot divination facilitates.

Chapters

• 0:19 Introduction to NYP Talk Show
• 2:30 What is Tarot Divination?
• 5:27 Tarot Spreads and Their Meaning
• 7:44 Learning Tarot and Spiritual Connection
• 13:30 Astrology's Relationship with Tarot
• 19:00 Shadow Work and Darker Aspects
• 31:09 Final Thoughts and Contact Information
• 53:10 Closing Spiritual Shoutouts

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:19

peace world. How you doing world. It's your brother, mikey Viva. Another episode of NYP Talk Show, setting the mood, setting the vibes right. We about to get into it. We got our dear guest sister. So many titles you have.

Speaker 2: 0:46

Healer Okay, okay, I like that divinator high priest, yeah, a little bit of that a little bit of that tarot reader.

Speaker 1: 0:57

Spiritualist, miss Ayabas, how you doing, beloved?

Speaker 2: 1:02

hi, hi everyone, how are you?

Speaker 1: 1:05

oh you know they'll definitely. They'll definitely be cheering you on, because your last show got some numbers they loved it okay great comments. People like what you were saying. We've received mail about it as well. To bring you back. We got to bring you, definitely for a live one, so we can have them interact more with you, to get to know, you know, get a feel of who you are.

Speaker 2: 1:27

No, I love that. We can definitely do a live and you know I welcome the questions, no problem.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Yeah, definitely, and tonight we'll be talking about divination through tarot.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Okay, great.

Speaker 1: 1:41

First and foremost, how you doing. I'm great.

Speaker 2: 1:44

First and foremost, how are you doing? I'm great. You know it's been a crazy week and I'm not sure if it's like the eclipse having to do anything with it. But yeah, and I'm just coming off of doing a big event. It's called Oracle Acts. It's called Oracle Acts it's a psychic event that happens once a month at Barrow's Tasting Room, and so there's a collection of psychics, tarot readers, spiritualists that come and you know we're open for the community to come in and you know know get. They could get one reading, they could get multiple readings. You know it's up to you, but it's really a night of um psychic phenomena.

Speaker 1: 2:32

That's beautiful. That's beautiful and yeah do tell more about that and throughout the show was so that you know when okay great place again. People could come out and check you out no, definitely you know she's on point. I'm not gonna lie to you, man, she's on point, you know. So the first question we have here we're gonna get into the basics of tarot, right? What is tarot divination?

Speaker 2: 2:56

um. So for me, you know, people will have their own perspective in their own experiences with tarot, and so I don't think there's any right or any wrong answer, but for me, it's a tool that's used to tap into spirit, um and to generate a conversation um around the person that um that I'm reading, and so it can spark conversation based on the cards that come out, both Tarot and Oracle, cause there's two different sets of cards.

Speaker 2: 3:40

All right, and Oracle, oracle tells a story, all right, and Oracle, can you break it down?

Speaker 2: 3:45

Oracle tells a story and you can have Oracle cards as it relates to love and relationships, as it relates to past lives, as it relates to shadow work, as it relates to astrology.

Speaker 2: 4:06

There's so many different sets of oracle cards as it relates to self-care, but then tarot is pretty much a fundamental, classic standard of cards. You'll have your pentacles, or coins, coins, you'll have your hearts, or your cups, um, you'll have your swords, um, um, or your um, the fates, or you'll have the wands, uh, which are the clubs, okay, and if you look at playing cards, because you know people have been doing reading tarot through playing cards if they weren't able to get tarot cards, they look at playing cards because people have been reading tarot through playing cards. If they weren't able to get tarot cards, they would get playing cards, and so each card within the tarot deck has a certain meaning. So it is up to the tarot reader to either use a classic historical meaning for that card and read that way, and or they can read the pictures which can kind of stimulate a conversation that way.

Speaker 1: 5:25

So there's so many different ways to read tarot. So, like with the spreads, right, I'm glad you broke that down. With the spreads, I have seen spreads where people do a spread of three or four, right, um, can you elaborate with what that means?

Speaker 2: 5:40

so you know, I believe, and other readers may not believe, but that's okay. I believe the spreads bring order to the cards. That could be kind of chaotic, Okay, Because you're dealing with lots of cards in a deck, Because you're dealing with lots of cards in a deck and so if you're just pulling out cards and just throwing them everywhere, there's no order. And so for people who are a little like OCD or type A personality, you know the different spreads lend itself to having an order to the reading. So you know you may have someone that has a certain number of cards that represent the past, a certain number of cards that represent the present and a certain number of cards in a certain configuration across or whatever it is fanned out, that represent the future, and then you may have a card that represents the client, the person that's being read, and then a card that may represent the person that the client is coming to talk about.

Speaker 1: 6:59

All right. So you're talking about, in terms of using which deck the Oracle, tarot or playing cards? Right, I'm talking about the Tarot deck. Deck the Oracle, tarot or playing cards?

Speaker 2: 7:06

I'm talking about the Tarot deck.

Speaker 1: 7:08

Oh, the Tarot deck, all right.

Speaker 2: 7:27

Yeah, and so yeah the Tar by utilizing different spreads to tell certain stories.

Speaker 1: 7:33

Perfect. So that's a perfect segue to this question right here. So can anyone learn tarot, or is it only for those with psychic abilities, or is it only for those with psychic abilities.

Speaker 2: 7:46

Anyone can learn tarot, but in my experience you can't force it. There has to be something within you that compels you to want to get a deck and take time out to learn the deck and learn the meanings and meanings and become familiar with it. And so I was never like my mother would read tarot. She read I Ching, amongst other things and so I really didn't have an interest in tarot until I hit probably my 40s At my early 40s, and that's when I was just like, oh, okay. But before then I was just like, yeah, whatever, I could have cared less about tarot and I had cards and people gifted me cards, but honestly, my spirit was not drawn to the cards. It could have been the most expensive deck ever, but my spirit was not drawn to picking up those cards and learning the meanings Really.

Speaker 1: 9:04

Intuition why was that? But my spirit was not drawn to picking up those cards and learning the meanings. Really Intuition.

Speaker 2: 9:07

Why was that? I just, you know, maybe I wasn't like mentally, spiritually, emotionally ready to handle what comes with the cards, what comes with the cards, because these cards become, they can become like a living thing, like an entity almost.

Speaker 1: 9:32

Really.

Speaker 2: 9:37

And so you know, and it's a practice that it's a fairly ancient practice, okay, or it's based on ancient things, and so I think, yeah, you can't force it, you can't force it. And so I wasn't really prompted to learning tarot until I had a breakup with someone. A breakup with someone, um, and the tarot helped me to understand what was happening within that particular short-lived relationship, and so that's really what prompted my interest. It helped me to like break down, dissect what was actually happening.

Speaker 1: 10:29

Wow, so you say, the tarot, the card, the deck became, you know, took a life of its own how does that happen? How does that happen? It? Does it mean that the person who has the deck must bond with? It and like purify it a certain ways.

Speaker 2: 10:43

You know how's it consecrated yeah, I mean, you know there's, there's so many different like little um rituals that people do. Some people, when they get their cards, they sleep with the cards under their pillow. Some people put it in a special, you know, velvet sack and then they put crystals on it, you know. Or they surround the deck with all these crystals. And I'm not minima, I'm not minimalizing that Um. It's that you have to do what you need to do, what works for you and your spirit team. For me, I don't do all that team for me. I don't do all that.

Speaker 1: 11:34

You know, my my thing is is that I do the readings in accordance with the ancestors and with the person's spiritual entourage got you that's aka their spirit team and that's done to give this for them to um permit you access in today, or yes, I, I do it with respect to the ancestors.

Speaker 2: 11:55

I'm a daughter of oya, um, or ya is the mother of the egg on the ancestors, those people who are in the, the, uh, the ancestor realm, and so I absolutely cannot bypass them. I will not make light of them. I don't play, I don't joke, I don't smoke weed, I don't take any kind of you know, drugs or drink. You know, um, you know drugs or drink. You know, because for me, I need to be as clear and as clean as possible when I do readings for people.

Speaker 2: 12:36

But other people, they connect with spirit through smoking weed, you know, or through a little alcohol or through, you know, smoking a cigar. I could, you know, I could smoke a cigar and get into it, but that taps in to a totally different energy. And usually when I do readings it's either at a shop, at an event, um, at a party, um and uh there's no time for unless it's like a super private reading and I, you know, we have a thing and you know, I get into it that way because the cigar, smoke and the alcohol start to conjure other energies, um, and I think that's appropriate for other spiritual things, but when I do spiritual readings.

Speaker 1: 13:29

Nah, it's all about the cards and connecting to spirit, and for me, the purest way possible okay, I respect that uh I got you, everyone has the rhythm of doing things yeah sure all right, so we're going to stick on more of the basics, but then I'm going to go into, you know, more in-depth questions. Okay, what are the major akana and minor akana?

Speaker 2: 13:56

So the major arcana are the picture cards, the sun, the magician, the death card, you know, those are all the cards. And then the minor cards have to do with, like, the eight of wands or the seven of cups Okay, the seven of cups Okay. And so the major arcana indicate major events, major changes, major aspects of the person's life, while for me the minor arcana represents, like, the little details, the little nuances, the eccentricities. Little details, the little specifics, and when I say little I don't mean to like minimalize what's happening in the person's life, but it's all these little things that create a bigger picture.

Speaker 1: 14:53

A bigger picture, yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:54

Yes.

Speaker 1: 14:55

All right. So the details that we tend to overlook that result into this taking place.

Speaker 2: 15:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:01

Present future. Okay, that's very deep man. I like that Mm-hmm. So, with the methods and practices of tarot, if I'm saying correct tarot or tarot, however they put it, you know, no one disrespect. What are the?

Speaker 2: 15:19

most common tarot spreads. I would say it's the Celtic cross, that's the major one and then they'll, they'll do the fan out one. But I noticed, and I'm a part of a huge tarot community on YouTube- Okay.

Speaker 2: 15:40

And the community is like huge and so a lot of the readers don't really use those spreads. Some of them do and I think they'll use those spreads. And I think they'll use those spreads more so for private readings. Okay, because if you go on to YouTube in the tarot community, a lot of those readers are doing general readings or pick a card. So that's another spread, like pick a card, you know you'll, they'll lay out the cards like in three piles, or they'll lay out three cards and they'll have people.

Speaker 2: 16:19

You know you'll, they'll lay out the cards like in three piles, yeah, or they'll lay out three cards and they'll have people you know their um, their audience pick a card and so they'll go through each card and explain the meaning, what's happening with that particular card. If that person picked the card, then they kind of get their answer to what was happening with them on their end. But you know a lot of the readers, they will pull the cards out. They'll pull the cards and they'll just start telling a story. It's like narrating a story based on what they see Okay, it's like narrating a story based on what they see Okay, and it's either through the meanings of the cards or it's their spirit talking like well, you know, because I see this spirit is saying that this, this and this is happening and because of this, then you need to do this. You know this person has a third party that's interfering with the relationship and that's why there's a three of swords. There's heartbreak, there's cheating, there's you know, um, you know distrust, you know Um and so um. So people will read the cards through pulling the cards manually.

Speaker 2: 17:32

I don't do that. I, like I said, I tap into the ancestors, I tap into the person's spirit team and whatever cards fly out the deck. That is the spirit pulling the cards out the deck. And you will actually see, like I've actually had clients be like an amazement with the force of the cards flying out the deck, like you can actually like. The energy and the presence of the person's ancestors and spirit team is palpable, like you can feel it, okay, almost to the point where you get goosebumps, when you feel the energy, like the electricity of the cards jumping out of the deck. Yeah, with the force of jumping out of the deck yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:22

With the force of it jumping out the deck.

Speaker 1: 18:27

Wow, sorry about that, but that's deep. I have seen that done before and I'm like that always amazes me. I'm like it's like someone was there, like they just slapped the reader's hand.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Yes. Yeah, I have seen that yes, I thought I was, and that is that. That's what you can wit. You witness, you actually witness that phenomena. It's crazy got you.

Speaker 1: 18:51

So how do you choose which spread to use for reading?

Speaker 2: 18:54

oh, good question. So I have a number of different decks. I have a Marchetti deck, um, and then I have this other deck it's a more modern deck right now I can't recall the name, but the colors are absolutely beautiful, stunning. The images are stunning, um, and so they have so many varieties of the tarot deck, and so you know, some images are much more abstract, and then there are images that are very classic, traditional tarot like that are kind of steeped in that, like kind of a either Victorian period, you know very early on, and so, uh, you know it. It all has to speak to your spirit and to your personality, but also to what it is you're feeling for the client. So I may not read the same deck for the for each client. It'll just be a different, like a hodgepodge of things, but very strategic and very calculated with which cards I go to okay, I got that.

Speaker 1: 20:06

So say, a client comes in and be like, hey, miss ayahuas, I'd like to get a reading any um, depending on what you feel in that person with a spiritual team you ask for permission, does do this? Do their spiritual team communicate with you?

Speaker 2: 20:23

and you'd be like, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna use this card for you yeah, yeah, I mean there's certain people that come in and after I say the prayers, like you can feel like the static electricity, it's like you're, you feel your crown vibrating. The other other person is getting goosebumps, you know. And so then, like it's like, it's like spirit directs you to the deck. I have my decks, like laid out, and so you know the spirit will direct my eyes to a particular deck and then we'll start with that deck and then we'll work our way around. So if the person wants to focus on love, or there's love issues or breakups and things like that, I have a ton of decks, both Tarot and Oracle, that will focus on that as far as the content, the images, the meanings of the cards. And then there's other people that want to talk about work, and then there's other people that want to talk about work, and then there's people that are talking about, you know, past lives and shadow work and all of that. So you know it just depends on the person coming in, what their energy is, what it is that they need.

Speaker 2: 21:35

There are some people that are just like, look, I don't really know where to start. Let's just start with a general and let's kind of comb through it and see what we get, and so they can start general. And then all of a sudden stuff starts popping up about you know there's a connection between them and their ancestors in Ireland, or them and their ancestors in the Caribbean. And then you know there's all these other things that pop up that may be in the cards. But then you know intuition, you know, taps in, and then things start to like unravel and go into a place Like you wouldn't even imagine that the reading would have gone to. And some people leave the reading in shock. They're just like, oh my God, like I came here for one reading, for you know, with one um thing in mind, but the spirit team takes them on another journey, on another path that they never thought they would go on. Wow, so it's exciting. It's exciting Um, a little scary Um, but it's a very interesting journey.

Speaker 1: 22:55

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Speaker 2: 23:07

I've seen, thank you.

Speaker 1: 23:08

And she's on.

Speaker 2: 23:08

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 23:10

So the question I have right here is All right. Is it important who touches the cards during the reading?

Speaker 2: 23:24

important who touches the cards during the reading. Okay, you know what? Um, there are certain decks that are really only for me all right and I have.

Speaker 2: 23:29

I have a lot of decks that I created because spirit and the ancestors led me to create these particular decks and these are Oracle decks and so those decks are very important to me and so generally people don't touch them and I don't really have people touching them, but the, the tarot decks and the ones that are store bought, I don't. I don't have a issue with that. You know, um, I do cleanse the area. You know I cleanse the table, um, before I start reading. I will be cleansing throughout the readings between each um client, um and the cards. Also, you know experience the cleansings for me.

Speaker 1: 24:22

I cleanse the decks through shuffling yeah, is there a particular way of shuffling um the cards?

Speaker 2: 24:29

it must be shuffled I shuffle pretty much what they do in the casinos. So my shuffling is I shuffle fast, I'm saying prayers as I'm shuffling because I'm I'm cleansing the deck of the energy of the person that I read before, but then I'm also inviting the energy of the person that I'm reading that's in front of me currently. So you can use Florida water to cleanse your desk, your deck. You can use cascarilla, which is the powdered eggshell, to cleanse your deck. To cleanse your deck, um, you know, some people will smoke it with sage or Palo or Palo Santo, um, you know those kinds of with crystals, whatever it is that works for them.

Speaker 2: 25:31

I'm not knocking anybody in their practices and I don't like when people come on, you know, to different platforms and they start, you know, speaking badly about other readers and what they do and their practices and they shouldn't read the card this way, because the card means this yes, there are standard meanings, but you know, readers read the cards intuitively and some people just lay the cards out and they don't even use the cards. The cards are used as a physical action and, in a way, a spiritual action to tap in the spirit. And then some people just like, go off, you know, off of what the spirit is telling them in their head. Because they're clairsentient, they're clairaudient, they're clairvoyant. You know whatever it is their special clairaudient, they're clairvoyant. You know whatever it is their special. Claire is they start going at it that's a fact.

Speaker 1: 26:26

Yes, you're so detailed and I'm glad how you speak and you don't come on here as an authoritative figure. Yeah, you speak as a practitioner from your perspective and what you have learned and studied, and I like that there's no ego with you, which is dope.

Speaker 2: 26:45

And, like I said in previous podcasts and videos that I've done with you, I stand by that when there is ego, there is no spirit.

Speaker 1: 26:55

Oh, my God, you know what. Hold on, hold on. We got to give you. We got to Hold on, we got to give you this and we got to give you this right here. We got to give you this. What you said was so true because you know there are a lot of people that you know.

Speaker 1: 27:12

I say people here, here I go. There are a lot of people out there that do act like authoritative figures and they try to say this is the way we do it, this is the way we stand on it. Listen, there's more than one way to skin the cat.

Speaker 2: 27:27

Yes.

Speaker 1: 27:28

And we can all view one picture and have different perspectives.

Speaker 2: 27:31

Light to you light, yes.

Speaker 1: 27:34

Well, work for you may not work for me, and, at the end of the day, I'm not here to bash you or take you down, as long as you're not out here scamming people yes, it's all good, because you know there are a lot of scammers out there like exactly you know, I being that you make your own deck tarot deck right, I was thinking about that facetiously joking in my head. Like you know why, I'm gonna get me some Pokemon cards. Look, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:03

I mean, look, if you love Pokemon and Pokemon is your shit like you, that's your thing, and you see a. Pokemon. You see a Pikachu and the Pikachu tells you that this person is going to win the jackpot or going to break up with their boyfriend or girlfriend. Look, I'm all for it If that works for you.

Speaker 1: 28:24

At least I'll mess it around before they think I'm losing my mind. That's dope. So I have this other question I have like. Should you ask yes or no questions with tarot?

Speaker 2: 28:36

Well, some people have tools within the tarot that certain cards mean a yes, like, I would venture to say like if they get the sun. Of course the sun means yes, you know, but if they get the devil, I would venture to say that if the person you know asks a yes or no question and the devil pops up, it would be literally hell, no.

Speaker 1: 29:01

Got you.

Speaker 2: 29:03

But I, I um, you know, I incorporate other things. You know I can do the shells Um, and I have other tools where I ask yes or no questions.

Speaker 1: 29:16

Oh, with the other, with the other, with the other tools, so with the other things that I have. Yes so can you just briefly touch on those other things that you use for divination?

Speaker 2: 29:26

um, it could be coins, shells, um and uh, you know, I have a god brother of mine. He's an. He's been a priest for like 14 years, but he's a hoodoo man from Savannah Georgia. Um, he is, uh, you know, um, um training me on how to read bones chicken bones chicken bones.

Speaker 2: 29:51

Yep, yeah, because you know he's from the South and you know, you know a lot of the root workers and hoodoo workers. Um, you know they made their own little divination tools from chicken bones. And like you know odds and end pieces, like you know a die dice or a piece of metal or a coin or a key, or you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 30:14

Coffee. I seen it done with people. My family's a cup of coffee. Like the grains in the bottom of the cup of coffee, they use that.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Yeah, a cup of coffee. You know, there's all. There's so many different methods, like I know, like in one of the events that I was at, there's a chick that reads beer foam, the foam of the beer.

Speaker 1: 30:34

I heard I heard people spoke, had spoken about that the beer foam. Like they, you foam, they look at how it foams up and how it cascades. I'm like that's deep, that's deep right there.

Speaker 2: 30:47

And I think this lady she is from. I believe she's Ukrainian or Russian. She's either Ukrainian or Russian, and so that's her deal. She does that. I don't know how good she is, but there's people that go to her. There's another woman, I know who. She reads your purse and or your wallet.

Speaker 1: 31:09

Really.

Speaker 2: 31:11

She goes through people's purses and starts pulling out stuff of their purses and starts reading them through reading the things in their purse.

Speaker 1: 31:19

Wow, wow wow, that's.

Speaker 2: 31:23

That's crazy right yeah, that's.

Speaker 1: 31:26

That's sound like some like fbi tactic.

Speaker 2: 31:28

They like yeah for me, like you know, I'm not doing that, but look, people get creative. You know, I guess they get bored and it's like you know and that's why, like for my readings, I and I do a mix between oracle and tarot, because sometimes just doing tarot, tarot, tarot can be boring.

Speaker 1: 31:49

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 31:51

So I like the oracle, because the oracle fills in the gaps, it makes the story of this person richer. You know, vivid, more vivid, okay, but it also, again, it prompts a deeper conversation with the person and with the person's spirit. Team.

Speaker 1: 32:14

So with the interpretation of that right.

Speaker 2: 32:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 32:17

How does astrology relate to tarot?

Speaker 2: 32:21

Um, in some cases it does, in some cases it doesn't. So, uh, you know, when you get cups in the traditional tarot, the cups represent water, and what are the water signs in astrology?

Speaker 1: 32:38

yeah, I have the water cancer scorpio pisces scorpio Pisces.

Speaker 2: 32:46

So there is some connection there, you know, if you want to, you know, because some people, clients come when they get readings. They want to know, well, who's involved in this, who's the next man coming, who's the next woman coming in my life? You know my divine masculine or my divine feminine? Are they going to be like? Are they going to be Scorpio? Are they going to be like? Are they going to be a Scorpio? Are they going to be a Leo? And so you know. Sometimes. You know, though, that those tidbits of information are important for the person, and so you can, you know, incorporate astrology in that. But astrology in and of itself, that right there it's, it's really of itself, that right there it's, it's really, it's really an intricate, complex science. Um, and I give respect to those, people who do astrology.

Speaker 2: 33:37

um, but you know, and I'll, I'll incorporate a little bit of astrology, but, like my deal is connecting with the ancestors, you know what I'm saying? Reading the stars and the configurations, like you know, ryan, and this, like that's not my deal.

Speaker 1: 33:52

And they don't birth chart what you birth chart at the time you were born and you know.

Speaker 2: 33:57

I can't.

Speaker 1: 33:57

Angel walks with you.

Speaker 2: 33:59

Yeah, look, I'm not into that. What phase of the moon? You know certain aspects of the moon? Yeah, that's, I can deal with that. But, like all this conjuncting and you know, it takes a special person who has an affinity with that particular um spiritual science to study and get involved in. And I know some people that are very, very good. There's this one um um one Haitian chick that I know and she's nice with it. She's in Crown Heights and her readings are like deep and so and I think she may charge like $200 or $300 for, uh, an astrology reading, like a full, like comprehensive uh layout, but that's, that's not my deal.

Speaker 1: 34:52

I don't, I don't do that I know about those astrology readings shout out to you know I ain't gonna say my brother name, but he have done those and they are very deep, like you know. It taps into you know, like you said, the configuration, the constellation, yes, involves some kabbalah oh yeah, 72 angels.

Speaker 1: 35:12

which archangel you know was born? Which archangel was present at the time you were born? Okay, no, and it was so deep to a point, I even went out there and I, uh, purchased this book, because I'm always showing books on here and these are things. I study it was this book right here. I don't know if they can see it.

Speaker 2: 35:35

What's the title of the book? What is it?

Speaker 1: 35:37

The Science of the Kabbalah by Lazer, and it goes deep. It's about the 72 archangels and the hour and time you were born.

Speaker 2: 35:47

Okay.

Speaker 1: 35:49

You know every hour has a particular angel. For that hour minutes it plays a major part the month you were born, even down to the day.

Speaker 2: 35:57

Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 35:59

You know. So it's pretty deep. It's pretty deep and I was like curious, I wanted to inquire more about that. So I went out there and got that book. Okay, yeah, for those who want to go check it out. Um, how do you know if a card's meaning is literal or symbolic?

Speaker 2: 36:19

um, I think it's just tied into the conversation, you know. Um, so if I get the sun card, for one client the sun could be new beginnings and usually with that traditional card they usually show like a toddler or a young infant riding on top of a horse and then the sun is in the background. But for another person who I've had the conversation with about pregnancy and fertility that came up in the Oracle cards, and then she gets the sun card and then informs me that, oh, okay, like a baby comes soon, the baby's coming soon, you know a pregnancy, a birth announcement, you know, and so it's just, it's situational.

Speaker 2: 37:09

Got you, got you you all right, I like that and no two readings are the same. No, no two readings are the same. Like every reading. It's like it is a um, a special prescription. Uh, it's tailored. It's like you know. You know how people like men go to get their like suits fitted and tailored, and if it's every muscle, every curve, every angle, you know what I'm saying. So, just like that happens with the, the readings, both oracle and tarot, like everything is tailored especially for that person.

Speaker 1: 37:46

Got you, got you. All right, we'll go more into the dimensions of it, like the spiritual and psychological dimensions of this Tarot reading.

Speaker 2: 37:53

Okay.

Speaker 1: 37:54

Can Tarot reveal past lives or karmic patterns?

Speaker 2: 38:00

Tarot can reveal past lives and karmic patterns. I don't particularly work with past life things, but there have been moments in the reading where spirit prompts me to be like, look, this is a karmic partner, this is someone from your past life that you're reconnecting with. You're reconnecting with, okay, um, and there are people that special, specialize in past life, um and shadow work and all of those things, um, um. But it just depends on, like I said, the energy that the person is reading with and there's a certain combination of cards that could come out. Um, that could talk about that. Like the six of cups usually talks about someone coming in from the past, either someone that you knew in the recent past or in the last 10 or 20 years, or childhood friend, or sometimes the six of cups can mean that this person is from your past, like past life, but it depends on the other cards that come around it as to whether you, you know you go that far back got you I like.

Speaker 1: 39:15

That being that, you mentioned shadow work right, can tar specific decks that are shadow work?

Speaker 2: 39:20

decks that are much better, got you Okay for that kind of work. I had thought about doing shadow work and look, I got a shadow deck and I was really like looking at the deck, studying each card, you know, trying to like get in tune with the deck. But my spirit team, my ancestors, my spiritual court, was like no, no and hell no. So, yeah, because when you do shadow work, you know, know it can go real deep and real dark and some people are built for that. Because once, once you go into someone and you help, you help them to excavate this and that's the word I want to use exca, excavate and do like an archaeological dig of what is happening in. You know, deep in their soul, deep in their spirit, what is motivating them, what is, you know, prompting them to behave this way, to act this way, to wire these outcomes happening in this person's life. It can go so deep that it can get very sinister and very dark.

Speaker 1: 40:50

Really.

Speaker 2: 40:51

Oh yes.

Speaker 1: 40:54

You might unearth something deep within a demonic voice. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 41:00

Yes, and let me tell you there are certain tarot decks. I think Aleister Crow Crowley there is. You know about that person, right?

Speaker 1: 41:12

That dude. I had a few of his books. That dude was serious.

Speaker 2: 41:17

Oh, yes, and we like in the shop that I work at, there's a lot of material on him. There's some tarot decks and someone had gotten me a deck one of his decks and you know it looks like very artistic and you know some abstract kind of images. But I looked at it and I started like looking through each card and as I looked through each card, there was like this dark feeling that I started to feel and I was just like yeah, no, and I politely gave that deck to somebody who wanted it.

Speaker 2: 42:01

You can do it, yeah, no, no, I'm not. I'm not built for that, I know. But there's, there's people.

Speaker 1: 42:10

I'm not knocking it because we have people coming into the shop like on the hunt in the search for this man's material books, tarot cards and all that he was something else, like the dude was really profound, like dedicated to what he was um on a quest for, like he traveled for this he invested money, his time, but it was his intentions that were were off to me like the deviant behavior yeah, I'm not knocking it like I, you know, I'm not knocking like his his passion for what he was doing, yeah, but there was also something else, that was like propelling him to go the route he went.

Speaker 2: 42:52

And so, again, like sometimes people are driven by darker forces, by darker entities that could be possibly ancestors, that that could be spirit guides, possibly, or spirits that you picked up along the way because you were dabbling in something that lent itself to those spirits. Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 1: 43:18

It wasn't meant for him. He opened too many doors.

Speaker 2: 43:22

Oh yes.

Speaker 1: 43:23

Being that we're speaking about opening doors and portals, did you get caught up in that portal opening yesterday for 999?

Speaker 2: 43:31

let me tell you, when I worked that event, there was a ton of people. I was booked the whole night. People were coming back to back, to, back to back and pretty much 90 of the people that came to me had the birthdays of 999 or multiple nines in their birth date.

Speaker 1: 43:51

Yeah, that was yesterday and I know people were super powerful. Yeah, they were doing all kinds of craziness. I mean I took time for myself to sit in my room to meditate, but I mean I'm going to do this and that People trying to elaborate things. I'm not knocking them. I'm like, yeah, to me the most, the most powerful thing is the most simplest to me.

Speaker 2: 44:11

Exactly, I don't. I don't pay attention to the portals, like in August. You know I'm a Leo, so it's the Lionsgate portal. Yes, I'm a Leo, yes, but I don't get caught up in the portals. But there was something with this particular portal yesterday that, um, how do you say prevailed over the readings. Um, that I did yesterday and, like it, left people like in awe when they left out of that reading that's what's up and I don't, I don't take, um, I don't take uh, I don't want to say responsibility, I don't.

Speaker 2: 45:08

It's the spirits doing the work. That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1: 45:12

That's what I like about that modesty. I always tell people don't say thank you, man, it's the higher power at work.

Speaker 2: 45:20

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 45:21

Because we don't operate with ego.

Speaker 2: 45:24

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 45:25

We're with ego over here. I'm not an ego. I don't believe whether ego was good or bad. I just don't want that in my vocabulary or near with my sight. I don't want that ego around period.

Speaker 2: 45:38

It's a dangerous thing. I understand that there's certain occupations where you know ego comes into play. Like you know, I used to sell. I have a multi. I've sold millions of dollars in real estate in New York City brownstones, condos, co-ops and I was in real estate for, I think, over close to 10 years, and so I think over close to 10 years. And so you know you got to have a big head. You got to. You know you got to be aggressive, you got to be assertive, you got to get deals done and you got to flex, and when you flex there's ego kicking in. You know there's a time and a place for that, but it's almost like for that it was a show.

Speaker 2: 46:27

Okay, because I was dealing with, like, big brokers you know, but when you deal in the world of spirituality, that right there you must be humble, especially if you are selected to do spiritual work for people. It's very important because if the ego precedes, if the ego leads the person, then you, you gotta question whether is it this person talking or is it really the cards talking got you, that's just.

Speaker 1: 47:14

That's deep right there. How often should should you read tarot for yourself as a tarot reader? How often?

Speaker 2: 47:24

look'm going to say it this way Reading yourself with tarot cards it helps with learning the cards. You know I get that, but you have to be in the right space, emotionally and psychologically, to process that information that comes out in the cards. Yeah, because these cards could fall and they can hit you with a real truth. You could think your relationship is going fabulously and then the cards start falling out. You get the three of swords, you get the 10 of swords, you get the eight of swords, the nine of swords, and those are all indicating heartbreak, treachery, all kinds of stuff. And so at that point in time, when those cards fall out and the devil card and the lover's card reverse, all of those cards are indicating in that particular reading that there's some shit going down in your love life and it's not as perfect as you think it is. Someone could be stepping out and there could be a side guy or side girl, a third party interference in the relationship. And are you ready to accept that and how are you going to deal with that?

Speaker 1: 48:49

okay, and if you're not?

Speaker 2: 48:51

in the right go ahead no, go ahead, go ahead and if you're not in the right state of mind to understand what that message is or interpret it, then you can take it the wrong way and run with it.

Speaker 1: 49:07

Drive a muck. Be going nuts out there right.

Speaker 2: 49:10

Yes, and that's why, as a reader, if people are going to be doing readings for others, you got to make sure that your spiritual hygiene is on point, that you cleaned yourself, that you prayed, you meditated before you read that person, because you don't want your stuff to interfere with their stuff in their reading that's a fact that does happen yes and we call that like a shock.

Speaker 1: 49:41

In french we call it back um shock, or retool mean backlash. That happened to me before. When you're doing stuff for people, you're helping somebody.

Speaker 2: 49:50

Yes.

Speaker 1: 49:51

Whatever is on them, that residue will come back to somehow latch on to you. Yes, and it's like to get rid of that, because people come with a craziness they psychological issues, they enter demons, sometimes ancestral demons. Yeah, it latches on to you, the craziness, they psychological issues, they enter demons sometimes ancestral demons. Yeah, it latches onto you the craziness Cause you know there's a lot of people that run to this kind of things, that have psychological issues too.

Speaker 2: 50:17

Well, you know I, I understand that because either one they don't trust traditional, you know um therapy or psychologists or psychiatrists or whatever that is. And especially, you know I can understand, in communities of color where there's just a distrust in general historically with, you know, medical practitioners. I get that Um, I can't, I get that Um. And then other people are just like they're. They need their, their spirit to be fed because they're so in the earthly plane and the material plane that they feel like they're a hunger for something spiritual. And so that's when they come to people readers to get spiritual work done, to get spiritual readings done, because that in a part, in a sense, feeds their soul, feeds their spirit, even if it's just for those moments, you know, and it could be kind of an escape for other people as well. It can help them to visualize through fantasy or fantasy. They can bring something that was in their mind into reality. The spiritual readings can help to materialize things for people.

Speaker 1: 51:46

You just took that question. I was going to ask you that, can tarot be used to manifest or set intentions? And you just basically answered it.

Speaker 2: 51:55

Isn't that crazy? And so that lets you know like we're on the same frequency right now.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Can tarot predict the future or only possibilities?

Speaker 2: 52:10

I would say yes, and so usually when I do the readings, I preface the readings. Even when I do my general readings online on YouTube, I preface the reading like look, this reading can cover the recent past, what's happening now or in the near future, and the energies that result in this reading can last for several days, several weeks or several months, depending on how fast or slow the energy is traveling through the person's chart or spiritual energy field.

Speaker 1: 52:46

All right. With that being said, how can the people reach Ms Ayaba Swind?

Speaker 2: 52:55

So you know, people can email me at Ayaba's A-Y-A-B-A-S W Y N D nine nine nine, at gmailcom, or you can DM me um at um I Yabba's wind. The same thing, no apostrophe, um and uh. Just put in a request um to access my, um, my IgE profile, cause I have a private right now, um, and then I'll accept your request and then we'll have a conversation.

Speaker 1: 53:29

And, to be more detailed, when you go there, say that you went. You watched her on the NYP podcast. There you go, Brother Ron Peace to Brother Ron.

Speaker 2: 53:38

How are you? I'm good.

Speaker 1: 53:42

I just came to check in. I just came to check in. I had to get a hat like yours, right? I just came to check in. I just came to check in, I got. I had to get a hat like yours, right? I just came to check in. Peace to everybody.

Speaker 2: 53:49

Are you guys the twins? Yeah, Right With the hat right.

Speaker 1: 53:52

Yeah, you see, I got to fit it today, but you know nice. Yeah. I just came to check in. Thank you for coming out this evening. This guy man yeah, he came to check us out, definitely, but I'm happy that you know people would go out there and check you out because you're dope. I appreciate your work and your time and, with that being said, before we get up out of here, man, miss ayaba, I want to dedicate this for you, miss, uh, oh yeah, child right here, right Oya yes, I'm adorable, yeah you know we gotta, if you can hear that.

Speaker 1: 54:37

I hear a little bit like I gotta turn it up for you oh, I'm familiar with her.

Speaker 2: 54:51

Yes, for all my children of Oya out there. You know, hit me up if you need any support, you have any questions for all the viewers, I am open. You can check out my youtube channel also at ayaba's wind. I haven't posted recently, but my playlists are very interesting I love it.

Speaker 1: 55:15

Yes, dj selector yes, I'm trying shout out to the, shout out to the ephod, shout out to Santeria Culture.

Speaker 2: 55:24

Yes.

Speaker 1: 55:25

Shout out to the Apollo Mayombe, yes. Shout out to the Lokomi people, yes. Shout out to my Haitian Voodoo people Shout out to Voodoo in the continent. Sakhbase, sakhbase, aibobo. Shout out to the 21 Division people Aibobo, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I can't forget. Shout out to the Sanse people. Shout out to the Sanse people, anybody that you know the Sanse?

Speaker 2: 55:44

Sanse. The Paleros the Tatas, the Yayas.

Speaker 1: 55:49

All of that.

Speaker 2: 55:50

The Babaloshas, the Ialoshas, the Aleos that are coming up.

Speaker 1: 56:00

They're working their way to you. Know getting Santo.

Speaker 2: 56:02

Who else who?

Speaker 1: 56:03

else is out there. Peace of the gods and earth. The Akan people Huh, yeah, I say peace of the gods and earth. People huh, yeah, I say peace of the gods and earth.

Speaker 2: 56:16

Shout out to the morris signs temples, yes, and the why my people? Yeah, I love it. Yes, yeah, who? I believe you shot somebody out. You said the um econ, the econ people, yeah, the econ. They practice um in their own way as well. So like I don't know all the specifics of them, but I want to give them a shout because I know that they're they. They do exist out there. I know there's a community, a large community, in brooklyn and definitely all right, then, with that being said, yeah peace to my listeners, my followers.

Speaker 1: 56:41

Don't forget to like, share, like, share, subscribe. We got super chats. Spread the word nyp. We here. We love y'all ayaba. I appreciate you, my sister, for coming out.

Speaker 2: 56:53

Peace and love we're gonna do the live next time, right?

Speaker 1: 56:57

oh, definitely we gotta do a live. Yo y'all gonna ask questions, you know. You know I'm saying she's gonna set y'all straight, peace and love, and we peace, and love peace, ciao bye.