5 Percent Nationalism - Be Knowledge

The journey from knowledge of self to political sovereignty isn't just theoretical—it's the natural progression for a people who've discovered their divine nature. When Allah founded the Five Percent Nation in 1960s Harlem, he wasn't merely creating a movement; he was planting seeds for a sovereign community that could one day claim its rightful place in the world.

Five Percent Nationalism represents the mature evolution of Allah's teachings—moving beyond the foundational understanding that the Black man is God to establishing concrete pathways toward freedom, justice, and equality. This episode breaks down how the concept of a "nation within a nation" has always been central to Five Percent teachings, tracing how this community transformed from street knowledge to organized structure complete with its own flag, school, and leadership system.

We explore the fascinating history of post-Civil War America when freed Black people were briefly offered their own territory through Special Field Order Number 15—a forgotten chapter that established precedent for Black sovereignty along the southeastern coast. What would have happened if Lincoln hadn't been assassinated and this order remained in effect? More importantly, how can Five Percenters today use this historical foundation to build toward independence?

The path forward requires political maturity—understanding that sovereignty doesn't demand hostility toward others but rather commitment to self-determination. Through agricultural self-sufficiency, strategic land acquisition, and forming federations with other Black nationalist movements, the Five Percent Nation can transform cultural identity into genuine political power.

Whether you're a longtime Five Percenter seeking deeper understanding of your nation's political destiny or someone curious about alternative models of Black liberation, this episode offers practical insights into how knowledge of self naturally evolves into governance of self. Join us as we chart the course from street teachings to sovereign nation.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Five Percent Nationalism
• 2:10 Origins of the Five Percent Nation
• 8:46 Explaining the 85-10-5 Percent Breakdown
• 12:28 The Firstborn and Nation Building
• 21:32 Nation Within a Nation Concept
• 29:46 The Name Change Controversy
• 35:29 Land Acquisition and Black Belt South
• 42:00 Special Field Order Number 15
• 48:36 Political Maturity and Four Options
• 56:13 Building Federation and United Front

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

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Speaker 1: 0:28

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Speaker 2: 1:34

No problem, all is well, man, you know all is well. Can continue and elevate, you know, as we should indeed, indeed.

Speaker 1: 1:43

So we're talking about today's uh podcast is about five percent nationalism, five percent nationalism. So, um, I want you to explain that okay.

Speaker 2: 1:56

Well, we left off last time, you know, kind of getting headway into nationalism and my origin in that world, you know. So first I gotta say how we became a nation. You know so as a five percent. You know allah, his comrades. They were in temple number seven. You know where malcolm x was the minister and uh, basically soon before, right before Malcolm X left, allah left, you know, and he, knowing his lessons, knew who the 5%, 10%, 85% was and running with this idea and teaching that the black man is.

Speaker 2: 2:40

God and teaching that there is no mystery God. And teaching what that the black man is God. And teaching that there is no mystery God. And teaching what civilization, teaching young brothers right, how to go from boys to men, to gods, that was essentially the reality of that day and time. We're talking about 1963, you know, when some of the first first that either are first born or introduced the first born to the knowledge when they came around, firstborn, or introduce the firstborns to the knowledge when they came around.

Speaker 2: 3:09

So when 63 had waned into 64, when things started to heat up and going with this notion of being a five percent or five percent or five percent according to those lessons, he knew right, living that out, the majority of the population, as the honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches. So if you're not familiar with the lessons, right, these are questions and answers from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad and his teacher. So these lessons helps right, allah, the founder, the father of our nation, the 5%, to have further realization of himself. Right and further um investigation into himself and when he found that, just like the lessons were saying, you know, he was allah. Just like the original man is allah and god, like the lessons teach, and so on and so on. He started to bring this out into his community and teach to make a long story short on where the notion of five percent comes from, because these lessons teach 85 percent are the masses, that are uncivilized people, right, they don't know their origin in this world. They believe in a mysterious god. Right, they just are easily led in the wrong direction, and so they're led by the 10%, which brings us up to 95% of the population. So it's basically saying that a minority rules the majority, like in politics, like in religion and dogma and so on and so on. And this minority in particular that Elijah Muhammad was speaking about, was the minority that leads the masses to believe that the almighty, true, living God is a spook and cannot be seen by the physical eye. Now, this minority bloodsucks the poor and what the rest of the masses, rich or poor, into believing that there's a power outside of themselves, so that they easily give authority outside of themselves. So that they easily give authority outside of themselves Psychological warfare, right. So the 10% controls the 85%. Not just in religion, but in all facets of life, people are generally easily led in the wrong direction through just how humanity has been trained for a while Left is the 5%, as the lesson speaks that they are the ones who know who the true and living god is and who teach who the true and living god is right. We're the ones that teach civilization right to our brothers and sisters in the masses, right to bring them into a fold of righteousness.

Speaker 2: 5:39

This is how this story, or the origin in this world, began. Allah is teaching this. He's teaching the meaning of civilization One having knowledge, wisdom, understanding, culture and refinement is not a savage in the pursuit of happiness. Right, he's teaching the duty of the civilized person that knows that. He's teaching that there is no mystery, god that right, the son of man, right humanity, prophets, messengers, so on and so on, have searched for and interpreted for, and so on and so on, for this mystery God for trillions of years. However, none of these men actually what led anybody to God. So he said you got to look at the man in the what, the mirror. So the man in the mirror became what, the one who's responsible for the world we're in.

Speaker 2: 6:27

We say all the above is caused by the Son of man, essentially us as the black man. Right, the conditions we're in are a result, in some type of way of our ways and actions. Right Fast forward 5 percent, 10 percent, 85 percent. Allah is teaching us and his comrades are teaching us. The brothers who he first%. Allah is teaching us and his comrades are teaching us. The brothers who he first started teaching are teaching us. Now. We're becoming a nation for a couple reasons. One thing we can get clear anyone who has this teaching knows about the firstborn. I'll stick to the firstborn of Mecca now. I'll stick to the firstborn of Mecca now. The firstborn, contrary to popular belief, is not someone who first got the knowledge or is not someone who was one of Allah's first students or first fruit or anything like that. Those were designations, those were ranks and positions, those were seats of authority that were mandated to particular brothers that was qualified to teach all right, can you explain that?

Speaker 2: 7:28

right, okay. So usually people would think you know, you heard the firstborn. Everyone gets introduced to messiah as-salam firstborn prince yohara, so on and so on. However, it's usually thought that these are Allah's first students, these are the first ones that got the knowledge, hence the firstborn right, because born in Supreme Mathematics is nine. So they have this thing where they say that the firstborn are Allah's first nine students.

Speaker 1: 8:00

Hold on. Thank you, joey. Thank you, joey, peace to you, really appreciate you.

Speaker 2: 8:06

Peace.

Speaker 2: 8:07

Now, the firstborn are really those who are born in a mental state and a way of thinking that was being manifested, because you know how, in the church, right, they say you born again when you come into Jesus Christ, right?

Speaker 2: 8:22

So if we deal with what they call nowadays Christ consciousnessesus, right. So if we're dealing with what they call nowadays christ consciousness, right, if we're dealing with what jesus being just us and us being the son of man, because a lot was teaching that we, the new god, we the what black baby jesus that they don't know about we're the ones right. What we have to bring them to an understanding of what. We're the ones right. What we have to bring them to understanding what we're talking about, because what we have is not what been revealed in this type of way, the actual reality that there is no mystery god. So the first born people usually think that means the first nine allah taught, when that just really means certain brothers who got that position and qualification from him. It's more of a title, a position in the rank don't mean the first born right, don't mean to cut you so.

Speaker 1: 9:11

So are you saying that a law structured it based on, like captain and lieutenant?

Speaker 2: 9:16

that's exactly what I'm saying. He just didn't call it that. He said you know what? Y'all, my first born. Basically, that's how it went. So the firstborn are the ones that what were the first really qualified to go. What do they think? For instance, like God Supreme, he got it before some of them and he ain't no firstborn, you know. He came through one of them and had even a closer relationship with the law than some of them. However, I'm saying that to clarify one what that is. They were the qualified. Those are the ones that Allah said you go here, you go here, you do this. And they were the first born, the first born of his what Mindset and what he was doing.

Speaker 2: 10:00

Also, saying that to segue into our building into a nation, because when you're starting to do things like this, you go from just a movement or a teaching or just what's going on in the street to starting to organize your people into a nation. Now, what he was teaching at the time was yes, y'all are my 5%. However, I'm now building y'all into my nation. However, I'm now building y'all into my nation. This is what he's teaching God's freedom and other brothers, because, going into investigation of lessons, because everything is real. He would teach on Yaqub to give him understanding of nation building, no-transcript nation. So he said, the black, brown and yellow that Yaqub used in that day to graft the nation of his own, I'm going to use, instead of what, separating the seeds like he did, the black from the brown, brown from the yellow, and so on. I'm going to unite the seeds by taking the seeds and the nations within nations of black, brown, yellow, so on. I'm going to unite the seeds by taking the seeds and the nations within nations of black, brown and yellow. Right, and that's the what, the Constitution right, the buildup of what I'm doing in today's day and time.

Speaker 2: 11:16

That's what was just naturally organically going on. It didn't just start like, oh, I'm coming to make a separate nation or da-da-da, anything like that. He was just being him, he was building, teaching and he came into okay, now we're building a what? Nation? So nation, right, and that also goes into like born, because nation right, the root to that is the same as like natal, like what you're born into, like nativity, right. It's also right, the same as um nature. And if you look at the etymology of the word nature, it talks about something you're born into. It talks about innate things, something you already have Right. So our nature became our nation because us living out who we was, us having our first born right, presenting to us the nature of the original man, which is god, us living out that divinity, that nature became our nation. So I've been going for that since forever.

Speaker 2: 12:25

However, the teachings of who the five percent was that sped up into what allah realized. Okay, I got something going. Here's hundreds and thousands of these guys and these women out here, so this is something that's organically building into a nation. Look at all these black, brown, yellow brothers and sisters coming into the knowledge of themselves in the time of the 60s through many different facets, and they all started gravitating towards him. The nation was becoming what the nation and he was teaching that. They were a nation within a nation. That's another concept I want to bring up, because what I'm doing is showing that we are supposed to be headed into independence and governance of ourselves, and whenever that conversation gets brought up, it is put in the same realm of being anti-government or anti-white or something like that, and what I'm here to say is that being anti-American or anti-government is not a prerequisite for sovereignty. Again, being anti-government, being anti-American, being anti-white is not a prerequisite before the original people on this land to be who they are and being a nation within a nation, which is a teaching that a lot of those repeat. Allah would say. If they would look at the climate, the political climate of that time, they would know that a nation within a nation is a political term, that a nation within a nation is a political term because the nations of the world of that time that were freeing themselves from the authority of imperial britain, imperial imperial france right imperial spain, imperial portugal and so on and so on, these nations were now nations within nations. So the term nation within nation is one to represent and mean a nation who was captured by another nation and now they have complete obedience or a semi-authority under that nation or empire. And it also means, like what happened with our people, like what happened with our people Now.

Speaker 2: 14:43

I say 5% of nationalism because one it started with what grew naturally as black people, so-called right, being a nation within a nation here in America. How did that happen? All the tribes of Africa right West Africa, central West Africa, all along the coast and, to be fair I'll say, a lot of the tribes are original people from here. Over a four or five hundred year process, we melted right into the several nations that became Black people in America, right? Jamaicans in Jamaica, haitians in Haiti. The difference is they have sovereignty, as in Haiti, semi-sovereignty, as in Jamaica, or assimilation, as in Black people here in America. So I'm building this thing up so we understand the terminology and politics and where we're at as a people and how Black people, like I'm saying, became a nation within a nation, because over time, we developed into a distinct ethnic group, what people call African American.

Speaker 2: 16:02

When people say Black nigga, whatever, whatever, all over the world, it's known exactly what nation you're talking about. Now we're a nation within a nation, obviously, um, because of the inquisition, right of the european states that got together and also, in the same way, became what? A nation of nations. So all the tribes of africa, right, because we know we're igbo, yoruba, manday, so on and so on. And then we got grandfathers and grandmothers say cherokee, and so on and so on. So we know that we're a combination of all those original people.

Speaker 2: 16:42

The white folks had the same thing going on. Right, I'm still at black nationalism and white nationalism, clearing up nationalism, because they're a culmination of the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians, the British and so on and so on, that left that nation to build this nation and fought those nations who their ancestry is from to build America, nations who their ancestry is from to build America. So these two separate nations, right, became one nation. On this land, however, one dominated, leaving Black people, a nation within a nation, a distinct culture, history, bloodline, genealogy and so on and so on. And a nation within a nation.

Speaker 2: 17:19

Now, those hundreds of years of us transforming into this new man, the black man in the wilderness of North America. Right, what happened? The latter 20th century, mid 20th century, the black people, coming into the knowledge of themselves, started to now create nations within the black nation. Now we come out and say, okay, we have the Hebrew nation, the Amor Black nation. Now we come out and say, okay, we have the Hebrew nation, the Amorite nation, we have the 5% nation. Now, black people went from a nation within a nation to even now, even under the authority of Imperial America, still building culturally intriguing nations within the now black nation.

Speaker 2: 18:07

So what I'm saying is, as 5 percent, and we introduce a 5 percent nationalism, what we need to do is being the most intelligent thinkers on the planet Earth. Right, we need to with with mental right maturity, with spiritual authority, maturity should come, a political maturity. So we need to come to the point where we theorize and we have think tanks on who, what, when we're five percent. Nationalism is because, though I can be, uh, initiative, the same way, uh, a mal would be, or the same way a Mao would be, or the same way a George Washington would be, and so on and so on.

Speaker 2: 18:49

We still have to manifest our destiny now, becoming one of those nations within the Black nation, and do something for ourselves. Our goal was always supposed to be land, freedom, justice, equality for ourselves, but one day, as a 5%, we'd have to have land for ourselves. So now I think, with all the high science we have, we should be able to come to a maturity of independence and territory. And, like I said, the prerequisite to that is not coming against anyone, it's just standing on your square and developing um, not even developing, but the plan is there, but moving forward with the power that we already have. And I don't know if you want to say something, because I was going to how we could do that peace.

Speaker 1: 19:41

You hear me?

Speaker 1: 19:42

yeah, now I do okay, okay now, um, I wanted to ask uh, being that you know you did say a law um said he said something about nationalism, a nation within a nation, right, he said that. So I want you to, you know, expound on that. And what I noticed another move was, you know, not him only working with uh, barry garthur and um, um also sham got universal sham guard with the flag, like it all. It started to look like he was moving in a like a nationalism kind of you know a way. So if you could kind of expound on other moves he made, right, solidify your point right, right.

Speaker 2: 20:32

So with the flag, that's a good point, because anyone that looks at the history of the world, you know creating a flag is an act of emancipation. That's the act of you know. You know what I'm saying. Separating and saying this is now the authority that I'm under. Like the Americans say, I pledge allegiance to the flag. When you have a flag, you're now saying this is my, what Banner? So that's one point and one we know he had a military background, decorated soldier, so he wasn't dumb or numb or naive to the idea what we needed to do to succeed. Now the common misconception is that he was totally assimilative. Now there's assimilation and there's separation. Separation doesn't mean segregation. Separation means that I'm not being treated right, I have the right to one do for self to avoid that mistreatment. And also it's just a human right If you've held down a territory, a history, a culture and so on and so on that you naturally developed into a said nation. But about the nation within the nation. The flag was the point. His dealing with Barry and Mayor Lindsey and so on and so on was the point. Like you said. This was for those that don't know, this was the mayor at the time of New York City. You know what I'm saying. His name was Mayor Lindsey and he had an aide, the mayor's man, who was Barry Goffman, right, and Allah was teaching both of them at this time. And what he's talking about is that when Allah needed our flags, the buttons we wear on the lapel right If you've ever seen like this in the thumbnail and so on and so on, the mayor of New York City had those printed for us and gave those to us to distribute for our nation. So now, another point to how we can come into our political maturity is that the school we have was given right towards the 1967. When a law came home from Matawan and he was meeting with ABC X, y and Z, they asked him what he wanted, right, and he wanted a place to teach his five percenters. Right, he wanted to continue what he was doing without being up in everyone else's face. So the block that they was already teaching on right became what urban league street academy. Initially, because the urban league is the source, just like there's non-profits and so on. And nowadays that was teaching in there, getting brothers day, gd, sending brothers to college with um, different programs, and so on and so on. So initially that school which is now a law school mecca was supposed to be like a alternative high school, which is now law school mecca was supposed to be like an alternative high school type shit, like that's what it was supposed to be. Then all those type of brothers back then was going there, especially the ones that was living in that area.

Speaker 2: 23:28

So when you ask a nation within a nation, what are some of the other moves that makes me see that this idea was present is because us obtaining that property, when a political authority gives you as a nation, as a tribe, as a people, a piece of real estate, you know that's an act of trade, that's the act of commerce, that's the act of good faith. You know that's the act of commerce. That's the act of good faith. You know that's the actor saying listen, I recognize you Because it was given to us right, basically, in the way of a land grant would be nowadays. However, it was given to us for, for those that don't know, 99 years was the lease. It was a 99-year lease that was given to us in 1967. So that was the initial plot of land that was designed so we could have a headquarters and we can grow out from that. It's in the center of world commerce, 125th and New York City. You can't beat a better world embassy.

Speaker 2: 24:41

But a nation within a nation. This was always told to those that was there that we have to have something of our own. But what I'm saying is there's a misconception that that means that you're being like, um, what people will call a black revolutionary not that I'm personally anti that idea, but there's a misconception that what people has seen in the media as the bang bang, shoot them up type of guy, just f the law. That that's how you have to move forward to for freedom, just equality. Now I'm not saying that, um, violence isn't necessary, you know. I'm saying in being able to stand ready to defend yourself. You know I'm not naive.

Speaker 2: 25:23

However, there is a point in time where we're going to have to ascend to this political maturity and one of the first steps is the food food security. You know and and what I'm heading into? Because food security and me now having experiences as an apprentice on the farm, taking food from seed to harvest, and now starting college in agricultural business like Ibrahim Traore. You know food security and there's a world example right there that I love to give people how food security could be the foundations of sovereignty, because if you don't need to look outside yourself to eat, that means your surplus you can export and circulate for business and that also means that you have an abundance of food. And it also means that this is how banks are formed, because there needs to be a standard behind your currency. As you know, a whole nother build, but just like if there's a gold standard or not, or so on and so on. Fees, real estate, so on and so on. It's back in the hands of the people. Could be know what is supposed to back our exchange?

Speaker 1: 26:38

okay, now I want to go into this. Um, if you have any other thoughts, um, you have any anything now? Um, the whole nge thing, right, let's talk about that. So, okay, from what I hear, from what I heard, allah was on his deathbed and he said we are no longer the five percent. We are no longer five percenters, we are now the nation of gods and earths. Can you build on that?

Speaker 2: 27:14

I mean, to me that sounds real mystical.

Speaker 1: 27:18

Right right like right before he dies right, that's so convenient yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:25

So what I'll say is if we look at the latest public record, we have the oldest guilty, like I spoke about in the last interview, october 1967. He says with five percent, okay, he died. He went home right in june of 69, so that's a very short time period, you know, for him to make that move. Now, if I have to look at this as a judge or a prosecutor or whatever and have to, how I would look at it is Allah was we know when we took on first 5% of names. You know about that. We first took on 5% of names.

Speaker 1: 28:12

Yeah, there was a time when Allah said no more Muslim names 5% don't have Muslim names.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Yeah, so first born Sahin from Medina. Right Now it's God right. They went to see Allah in Madawan June 25th 1966. And the first thing he told them was about 5% don't have Muslim names. Now it's God's name is Walik. You know Another example of us coming to. It's about five centers don't have muslim names. Now it's god names waleek. You know another example of us coming into our own nation. He's like okay, we had the, you know, I'm saying the akbars and the muhammads and so on and so on. Now we're going to be powerful and lord this and this that you know. That's how it's going to be now. Those dictations were spread out and those that were supposed to know know. So to me, I don't know about the deathbed thing. If he was said that on his deathbed or near his death and then there's no deathbed. Because where's the deathbed? Because the law was assassinated in an elevator in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2: 29:16

June 13, 69 right so I understand what people might exaggerate and get the deathbed, however they say. Towards the end he was saying oh, when I'm not here, you'll no longer be the five percent, you'll now be nation, guys, earth. Okay, my thing is from the past and what I see in his track record of making sure all the orders get out to everyone they're supposed to get to, just like with the names, just like where we have the school. Just like with handing out flags and so on and so on, just like with who we're supposed to teach where the firstborn. If he told everyone that, why wouldn't he tell everyone the name change? That don't make sense. And you're going to tell me the name change. That don't make sense. And you're gonna tell me universal sam, god don't know.

Speaker 2: 30:01

Our name change right saim don't know our name change. Black messiah don't know our name change. You know you're telling me that all these guys come on. So with that, what I'll say is that's true.

Speaker 2: 30:16

How God's supreme teacher? Right, because there's one point in what you said no-transcript. He's now the guy he was saying this towards the end of his you know, physical life. So that's false. Because another, that's false because allah was already calling them and they was already knowing they was gods before that, you know, I'm saying, when we had stuff like the minister's book that's a whole nother history and when we had, uh, certain things that was given out as ranking organization, when a lot changed and tweaked and reneged on some of these things, he was telling them it's because y'all, gods, y'all need to have ranks of authority over each other. Just all you need is rank and responsibilities, basically, you know. So with the nation of gods and earths it's more like and that's what I said basically about supreme, break it down, but it's more of a description.

Speaker 2: 31:33

I think, personally, that it got turned a description that law used to say y'all are the gods and earths, y'all the gods and earths, y'all gods and earths. Right, because in tape he even said woman is earth you plant in, just like this earth you build on. You know, he was calling them gods and earths and I think that that turned into that rumor and they kind of. They ran with it. That's how I, that's how I think about it and I'm speaking careful because I know Dumar personally. I knew Dumar, I knew Allah be personally. You know what I'm saying. I used to write for the Bible Center. I don't know G Khalil personally, but he publishes that paper. Don't know g khalid personally, but he publishes that paper and this is the crew that teaches that.

Speaker 2: 32:21

You know I'm saying that allah told them they would now be x, y and z. What I have to say about that, in knowing one, I stay to what happened in my day and time in this right. However, from the authority, the brothers above me that would know better almost nobody agrees to that. I'm just being real. Out of all of them that was here ever, that was from the first I, almost none of them agree to that. It's just that those four or five people that say when allah was new, he just knew he was going, he was having these senses, he was going to die and he started to tell us to change the name, and so I'll leave that at that.

Speaker 2: 32:58

What I say is if people, we're the five percent nation, right as we are, because that's what we grew into, but he was just, if we really be real, he was just saying five percenters, if we really really be real, he was saying five percenters. Then it was developing into because y'all, my five percenters, y'all are now my nation. So that, okay, five percent nation. And when the description came of what we, the five percenters, the gods and earth, I think personally they ran with the nation of gods and earth when it's more than five percent. Nation of gods and earth is more than a description of what the five percent is right Right.

Speaker 2: 33:34

You know what I'm saying. That's how I'm, you know 5%.

Speaker 1: 33:38

Nation of gods and earths.

Speaker 2: 33:40

Right of you know, it's not that our name is the nation of gods and earths.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Right.

Speaker 2: 33:45

You know, and even universal sham gods, when, before he returned, he was writing in the Son of man you know about. So the idea again you're asking about points on, we're supposed to be moving towards nationalism. He was writing about different councils should be made in every state in Cypher, and you know that we should go towards an official name Because this issue was back in the 80s. So what I'm saying is why I say 5% nationalism is because there's things that we have to do. Allah ain't walking around, justice ain't walking around, the first born, most of them gone.

Speaker 2: 34:26

So it's up to us to create the political theory. It's up to us to take everything that's out there on nationalism and what bring it into the best part, as we say, and then we can say okay, with the foundation of land as the basis of freedom, and we know that quote-unquote hate and so on and so on isn't a prerequisite to your sovereignty we should, just as gods. It's just common sense. It's not even that deep to me. It's common sense that we should be trying to build our own. That's simply what 5% nationalism is to me.

Speaker 1: 35:03

OK, now. Now I'm sure you have some suggestions or ideas as to where you know we should build this. You know from, you know we should maybe purchase land this you know from.

Speaker 2: 35:19

You know we should maybe purchase land, right, that's a that's a good question. So there are several methods of land acquisition and my method of land acquisition that I would suggest could vary because it depends on what we're capable of. You know, before I go into the methodology of land acquisition, what I'll talk about is your first question, where I would suggest and where my ideas would be, and I'm going to go back to how we've been pushing for a while. As far as Black folks, the Black Belt South to me is still the most consistent Black farms. It still has the most consistent Black ownership in counties. You know what I'm saying. It still has from the Deep South. We know that's known to be Black, you know.

Speaker 2: 36:09

But that idea spans back that nations of the world already recognize this as a place for black people to consider themselves because a nation within a nation. That term right was actually um recognized by stalin, and stalin at that time of the communist world, the fascist world and so on and so on. Through the communists, black nationalists in America recognized the Black Belt South as a nation within a nation. So on a worldwide level, black nationalists have already put out there that the reasons and the history, because other people don't know our history. Russia don't know our history, tanzania doesn't necessarily know our history, ghana don't know our history. They don't know most of us was in the south. We went up to new york and chicago and la and the great migration, and now a lot of us going back and they don't know our ancestral travels.

Speaker 2: 37:16

So the black belt self one because it still has the population and two because under um force, you know, we already built a agricultural empire down there. So to me, if we do the work in the same place with our own hands and benefit from it ourselves, it could work much easier, or it could work in our benefit, I'll say, as opposed to our demise. I think we could benefit from the agricultural South because there's already a renewal and a renaissance that is going on. So if we talk about the Black nation, so-called African-Americansicans, where I would suggest we do that as a whole, the south and where I was today, the five percent nation as a nation within that nation, technically we do it in the south. I yeah the well. I'll go to the gulf of mexico, which they're trying to change to the gulf of america, is one of the uh biggest uh economic hubs and ports in the world.

Speaker 2: 38:33

So being in proximity to that would guarantee us export and import you know so, as well as the eastern seaboard right, which we know is gullet territory. And that leads me to the other historical reference of today's the 15th. There's something called a special field order number 15. When the Civil War was over, abraham Lincoln and General I want to say it was Tacoma Sherman, something like that they enacted special field order number 15, where they went and asked Black people in the South, the Black leaders, the pastors, the nationalists and so on and so on, what you want? Do you want to be a part of America or do you want to separate into your own nation and build your own land? And we too chose to build our own land and not become part of America. This is pre 13th, 14th amendment, and special field order number 15 was enacted and Black people all went to the Gullah Coast in masses.

Speaker 2: 39:38

Because what Special Field Order no 15 was? A land permission granted by the president and the general who won the last war in the South, to give the coast of North Carolina, starting in southern North Carolina all the way down to the tip of Northern Florida and 30 miles inward, was to be an independent territory for the New Freed Black man. And it's my personal political opinion that President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated because of this, because, post his assassination, who was his vice president? Was it Jefferson, one of them? They came right in and took back special field order number 15.

Speaker 2: 40:19

And that's what made us, instead of building an agricultural empire, that's what turned us into sharecroppers, and having a mistreatment in the sharecropping is what caused all our great-grandparents to sell all that land and do like mine in the early 1900s to go up to New Jersey, go work in New York at the railroad. My people is from Lynchburg, virginia, real black folks. My folks is from Macon, georgia, on the other side, real black folks. So I understand the whole lineage thing. But, yeah, that would be some of the other benefits that port. And that's the history of special field order number 15. So if I was on a world stage, what I would ask or what I would put towards the world is that we already chose what we wanted to do pre 13th, 14th amendment due to special field order number 15, and it was taken back.

Speaker 1: 41:14

Okay, all right. So now, as far as politically, how do you think the 5% should present itself to the nation inside the nation? How should the nation present itself to the nation?

Speaker 2: 41:35

Right, good, okay, so you have the American nation, right, then you have what we'll say the black nation, right, african-american, so-called, and so on. So what I think how we should present ourselves is one how we already are as far as knowledge itself, how you come in, already are as far as knowledge yourself. How you come in, because that puts you in a cultural setting, right, so you can one identify with who we are and our identity isn't just broad and misty, it's not, you know, I'm saying uh to be mistaken for anything else. So I would one, like I've been doing, clarify who we are to the people. We should speak for ourselves. And once clarified who we are to the people, we should speak for ourselves. And once clarified who we are, what I want five percenters to know, and what I want everyone else to know, is that it is OK for us to want to speak as a part of the black community. A lot of us run from that, like we don't want to be a part of the black community, like we just something else.

Speaker 2: 42:34

Like the five percent is a black nation. It was founded in Harlem, when Harlem was the Atlanta, you know. Like, come on. So this comes from our people for our people to have freedom, justice, equality. And we are also here with those in the conscious community, those within the Black community, that know, yes, we need to do what I would say a federation, a union, what you would call politically a united front.

Speaker 2: 43:06

I think we can achieve that together right, like a plan, like a pan-Afric-americanism, as, if you will, you know that we can have a pan uh black man, you know as far as all together coming as something that accumulated here and it's okay for you to say this is my nation, I'm from the morris tribe, this is my nation, I'm from here, this is my nation, I'm from here just like everyone else do, and sit down and say this is our federation. But I'm saying to everyone else and to 5% it's okay for us to have a seat at the table. Like I said, it doesn't mean you're anti-white, pro-black, whatever people want to argue about. Being against anyone is not a prerequisite for you to be for yourself, unless they're in your way and we know that story, you know, unless they're in your way, and that's.

Speaker 2: 43:55

we know that story, you know that's the obvious.

Speaker 2: 43:57

So you're saying the same with America. So that's how we let Black people know yo, we're here, we want to build a nation. We're not just trying to tell you, oh, fuck your religion, fuck your God. No, we're here to stand side by side for you and still reach for what Happiness, just not in what A savage way, or the pursuit of happiness is not as a savage.

Speaker 2: 44:19

And I will come to America, like I said, presenting a special field order, number 15, presenting all the different land grants that was given to the HBCUs, like NCAMT, you know, and so on, and so on. That was supposed to help us build a community based off the expertise we already had. And it was one more thing that and I will present to the United States and the world over that all attempts at what they call rebellions, revolts right, all attempts at post-rebellion and revolt area of Black political organization was subconsciously it was actually an act of nation building. It was really us organically and subconsciously wanting to build a nation for ourselves. And it's been mistaken for and it's been coerced to be assimilation. And that's my biggest problem that everyone you assume black nationalism is an assimilation, to become equal in whatever society, when in reality I think everyone should have their own choice. That's what I'll say. I would say to america. I would say to black america that Black people one and five percenters, the five percent nation need to come to the political maturity to know Free immigration because we have a lot of brothers from different nations Free, civil and I'll say immigration when those states are in their current status, because there was always blacks going back and forth between the islands all these hundreds of years. That's a whole nother bill, but free, all of this.

Speaker 2: 46:01

We had a decision to build a nation for ourselves and that's okay to still want this and you need to decide that if you want to be American, you're going to be American. It's not just going to be a Black-white thing. If you want true equality in this country, you need to come to a political maturity where you say there's no distinction of its peoples. Or? The second decision, these four major decisions, what I would present to the world if they listened right now that first one, that Black people should take an evaluation of the second decision, would be do you want to return to a modern day country of your ancestry, which you know is the thing a lot of people do? My third point that I would bring that people should have a political maturity to present or think about is do you want to go to another country? Maybe that's not your ancestry that still accepts people. You can go to Canada. There's citizenship routes Right now, even as massage therapists. They want so much more healthcare workers. They're expediting citizenship of massage therapists.

Speaker 1: 47:03

Where Canada?

Speaker 2: 47:05

Yup, right now it just happened like two years ago, and the fourth decision would be to make a Black nation of your own right here. I don't think it's necessary to go all these other places okay, so five percent nation at five percent nation.

Speaker 1: 47:26

It's its own nation, right yeah, yes because, we developed into and we're still developing into right now, let's say, we're presenting that to the, to, to the american government. So we have our own nation, our own flag, our own plot of land, right?

Speaker 2: 47:45

okay, or we might not have the land yet okay we could be because, okay, okay, so we were supposed to talk about land acquisition, right? Right. So you said purchase, purchase is one idea, but historically there's also treaty. Historically there's also gifts, right, historically, there's the part we don't want to talk about conquest. You know, there's several methods of land acquisition, whether it be conquest, whether it be treaty, whether it be a gift, whether it be a mutual agreement, whether it be an annex. You know I'm saying of land to or from another place. There's several methods. It's not just purchase. So any of those methods, like I said, land grant acts come with hundreds of acres. Like the HBCUs, I would say give us a land grant, give us a thousand acres in Georgia, because I'm also, as far as me, being an agriculturalist and worrying and having a thought about the world economy and not taking more than you need. We only need so much land. We don't need no millions of acres for us. We'll grow into what we have in need okay.

Speaker 1: 49:05

So my point I'm the point I'm making is we have, let's say, we have a land. We have how we got it. We have land, we have our own flag. You know, we're our own nation. Now, how are we presenting ourselves to the american government on a political front?

Speaker 2: 49:25

well to me, you're not going to be okay. This is what I said. We're already our own nation because we're a people, right, that's. That's the constitution of the nation.

Speaker 2: 49:36

But what I'm talking about is the difference between a nation and a nation state, right Between a nation and a nation state. A nation could be a nation within a nation, like we're talking about, but if they don't have any political sovereignty, they're just a nation. They're not a nation state. Mexicans have a nation state called Mexico, but there is Mexican people of the Mexican nation who live in America. They're a nation in a nation by that way. There are Jewish people who are citizens of Israel and they are a nation within a nation by creating whole towns over here. However, they still have a nation state. They're not just a nation within a nation, subject to someone else's political authority.

Speaker 2: 50:19

So, when it comes to how I'll present myself to them, is that what we need to build as a Black people is something provisional. It's what you call a provisional government. It's what you call is a government or organized group, which it doesn't have to be government in the form people think. Just, our parliament is our government, so our parliament should have the authority right to go to this government like you're talking about, and how I will present myself to them is one. We have the history of the flag, we have the history of the school that's already there, so we have a history of them being on our side towards independence, and then what I would do is let them know we want to, or build on the idea of transitioning from a nation to a nation state, and that I don't think that, because you have a plot of land that that's your nation, this has to be recognized by other people. So I would ask them to recognize us the same way morocco recognized them right that's what I would do.

Speaker 2: 51:27

I would ask them to recognize us and show how we could benefit um as partners. But you have to do that through creating national products, which is why I'm into agriculture. You have to do that by creating a worthy trade to these nations Because, historically, special field order number 15, I would present that because, even though we're the 5% nation, most of our lineage in history has to do with those black folks in the south okay, so it wouldn't be a whole complicated situation.

Speaker 1: 52:03

I would bring back the what he had with barry and marylis all right, uh, to be a nation, people must accept their nationality, have a national seal, national constitution and national land and a national flag. Okay, that's peace. Yeah, that's peace. Now another question so now we're recognized, yeah, ok, how are we voting?

Speaker 2: 52:41

OK. Now, like I said, and what I want to reiterate is so people don't think I'm coming as an authoritarian over five percenters and what I'm presenting to you because that's the issue in the nation People say this is what we're doing. I'm going to go to the UN and represent us, and no, what I'm saying is we need to build a theoretical framework and an action plan for what we're doing politically. We got enough bright minds to do it. We just can't be scared or misled to present ourselves that that's not what we're doing.

Speaker 1: 53:12

So really, it states your question present ourselves that that's not what we're doing. So really states your question. So what I said is uh, we have land. Oh yeah, how are we presenting out? How are we presenting ourselves in a political field? Are we voting?

Speaker 2: 53:26

oh, the voting, the voting. Okay, now, if we were independent, we would be independent of the american voting system, but our own voting system you asking about.

Speaker 1: 53:36

Oh, you're saying we're totally independent, so we don't vote in America.

Speaker 2: 53:43

Well, to me independence means like independence, like you vote for your own. I'm saying, if I got 1,000, 5,000, 100 acres in Texas, in Florida, whatever, having billions of acres isn't a prerequisite to sovereignty. I'm saying, if you have enough land to be self-sufficient and self-productive, you can be a good trade partner to the world, no matter the scale. So I'm talking complete independence. The only vote I think black people need to do in america, or what I uh would say, how should the five percent come as a voting block? If we were to vote, I think we should come as a block, right, that, okay, there's ten thousand, five percenters, twenty thousand, five centers, primarily on the East Coast and spread out through so and so. We have pool and X, y and Z. We can, as a block lobby you know what I'm saying and pull certain resources, but that's if.

Speaker 2: 54:50

Out of those four options, if your goal is assimilation, I say that no one should tell no one what to do as a 5% nation. It doesn't make you in different nations if a 5% citizen wants to stay in America and another one wants to build a 5% nation. That's why I gave the example of Mexico, because Mexico has a state, but there's proud Mexicans in America. Just because they're not under the political authority of Mexico doesn't mean that they're not part of the Mexican people. So it's the same way that those five percenters that want to fully assimilate and stay in America and be good citizens and all this shit God's been talking about, they can do that. They can do that. However, that doesn't negate that there should be room for minds within the nation to want a political destiny for ourselves, right?

Speaker 1: 55:42

Indeed, indeed, indeed. On that note, let's, let's stop here. I would like to keep building on this. This was a great build, because what I I wanted to talk about how would you present, I guess you, you know, how would you treaty because I always mentioned this a while back about how you know, the five percent nation can treaty with moors, do business with moors can do business but we need that united front that'll be, a united front, a federation a federation. That's what you said earlier, right, that's what we should and I'm federation.

Speaker 2: 56:15

That's what you said earlier. Right, that's what we should and I'm presenting we should. That's what I mean by what is the 5% as a nation gonna present to the black community? It's time. You know one of the guys, one of the older guys, born and everlasting actually. He say hey, god, you know the black man's. God is old news. My man, Everybody fucking know already already. Look at the internet. All right, I'm 31, the 31st degree, and the 136 asked what then? What happened then? That's what I'm here to show then, what happened. That's what I'm here to show, right, not how long or what it takes to do first to make devil. We know it takes first start graphing from the original man. However, what I'm here to do is what? Unite, and I'm not gonna rely on these older brothers bickering and arguing about the destiny of our nation. That's why I wouldn't have five sons already I'm only fucking 30, because I know we need the manpower right, indeed, indeed, indeed.

Speaker 1: 57:13

So this um this united front yeah we're gonna have this conversation. We're gonna have this united. We're gonna have this united front conversation. That's a great way to end it. So let's keep that in mind everybody, united front, united front. Thank you, god. Peace of god be knowledge. I really appreciate you. Thank you to everyone in the chat. We have another podcast in about three minutes. See y'all in three minutes and we are out of here. Peace.