POWERNOMICS by Dr. Claude Anderson- Malakai Kane of Africatown

Dr. Claude Anderson's Powernomics offers a roadmap for Black economic empowerment that remains profoundly relevant today. This thought-provoking conversation between community leaders explores how we can transform theory into practice by building sustainable Black communities and economic infrastructure.

When we witness displacement and oppression globally, we often fail to recognize similar patterns happening in our own communities. What we euphemistically call "gentrification" mirrors the slow-motion displacement of Black Americans from urban centers—a process that deserves the same urgency we give to international crises.

The discussion challenges our relationship with integration, highlighting how our eagerness to integrate has undermined our ability to build autonomous economic structures. "Integration is disintegration," as one participant observes, pointing to the fleeting circulation of Black dollars within our communities—just 3-6 hours before flowing outward, compared to other ethnic communities where money circulates for days or weeks.

Perhaps most compelling is the real-world application of these principles through the Africatown initiative in Seattle. Starting small but thinking strategically, this group has raised over $10 million to address homelessness and create sustainable housing solutions. Their success demonstrates that meaningful change doesn't require mass movements—just a few dedicated individuals with clear vision and persistent effort.

The path forward demands what the speakers call "civic utility"—developing not just housing, but comprehensive infrastructure including schools, healthcare facilities, markets, and other essential components of livable communities. This approach, coupled with establishing meaningful economic ties with Africa, offers a template for true self-determination.

Ready to move beyond theory to action? Connect with like-minded community builders and explore how you can implement these principles in your own community.

Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction
• 3:11 Dr. Claude Anderson's Powernomics
• 10:29 Test Subjects for Global Domination
• 19:48 Integration is Disintegration
• 31:15 Economic Power vs. Validation
• 43:40 Building Livable Black Cities
• 57:26 Africatown and Future Collaboration

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

Peace world, peace world. How you doing. It's your brother, mikey Fever, and I'm back. That was a great show we had With Abdullah and Israel. Peace to the Moors man. They gave a dope demonstration About semantics and linguistics. Man had my mind going, you know. So what's going on, my brother oh, then he dropped out. Don't forget people. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We got super chats. We are all on all streaming platforms TikTok brother.

Speaker 1: 0:46

Brian's doing his thing. You back, you back, you drop for a second. I'm just talking to the people. Don't forget to comment like share subscribe super chats follow the website.

Speaker 1: 0:55

We got merch coming. What else? All that extra good stuff and peace to all. Peace, you know. Peace to the nation of gods and earth, islam to the Moors to the nation of gods and earth, islam to the moors. Bendy sean, to the sensory ephah, um what else? Assalamu alaikum wa alaikum, zillah to the palo, to my haitian voodoo practitioners and, okay, all that good stuff, please. Yeah, where you at your camera went out? Oh man, magnetic dropout. You know, technical difficulties tend to happen. Technical difficulties tend to happen. So we trying to get the brother to come back. Let's see.

Speaker 3: 1:42

All right Brother should be logging on momentarily. Peace to the family. Oh, I'm black family. How you.

Speaker 1: 1:51

Man, I'm glad. I'm glad I haven't seen you in a minute. It's been a minute, man. How's the family man?

Speaker 3: 1:56

Man, the family's good man, Family's real good man, these kids, they growing so fast.

Speaker 1: 2:07

Every time I blink, blink, it's like they grow an inch. Yeah, man, yeah, time to get some new sneakers, again, new sneakers, new sneakers.

Speaker 3: 2:11

Peace to have been please. Yes, sir, yeah, and as soon as you get them, they grow out of them.

Speaker 1: 2:14

So yeah, but you know that's how that go what our parents used to do to us buy them like three sides up.

Speaker 3: 2:22

Like you're, you're going to wear these, hey man, till you can fit them. Yeah, I remember them days. I remember them. Yes, sir, I remember them days. All right, peace.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Peace. Hey peace brother, malaki, peace, peace, peace brother, how you doing?

Speaker 2: 2:40

Yes, sir, yes sir, Nice to meet you.

Speaker 1: 2:42

It's a pleasure to meet you as well, man, I know the black round table. They doing their thing, they here tonight. The black round table is back.

Speaker 3: 2:51

Yes, sir, In the building building.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Definitely Peace to all you guys. You guys are doing magnificent work educating, involved, really involved, out there, yes, sir. So tonight we'll be talking about Power Now, mix by Dr Claude Anderson.

Speaker 3: 3:12

Yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 3:14

Which is beautiful, because you know it's funny.

Speaker 3: 3:16

I got that one right here.

Speaker 1: 3:18

Oh.

Speaker 3: 3:18

See, I got it right here. That's a popular one.

Speaker 1: 3:24

Yeah, man, I went through that book book, you know it's been years, but I gotta really go back and, you know, renew history, as they say, because there was a lot of powerful information in there brother mike, you might want to turn your mic up.

Speaker 3: 3:35

Family, I can, I can hardly hear you. Man, there we go, there we go yeah I got the book right here.

Speaker 1: 3:42

I read this book like many moons ago, so I gotta brush up on here. As the gods say, renew my history. Gotta go back and look at it, because he had a lot of um, very pivotal information on in there. I'm like there's a lot more room for me. You know not excluding myself that I need to really re-examine.

Speaker 2: 4:04

So let's get into it man. All right.

Speaker 2: 4:09

Well, first off, thanks for having me and, as you were saying, powernomics, it should be a staple of Black thought and agenda building throughout the diaspora, especially here in America, as we continue to see the decline of all of our social metrics that indicate sustainable life. As a people, you know, as a people, you know, we often look at the news and we see what's going on in Gaza, in Sudan. You know the news headlines, you know, are always, you know, close to heart. You know, even when we saw the recent assassination or shooting, or whatever it was, of the right wing nationalist guy, all of that hits home with us because whatever happens, it happened to us first, you know. And when we see a work like Dr Claude's book, it's a reminder, you know, because he said some some really valid timelines in there that I think have gone over the heads of most of us. So when we look at Gaza and we see two point five million people being told, hey, move, you know, five miles that way, now go back 10 miles that way. And then you know 50,000 get killed in the transit, and we're like, wow, that is crazy. Yeah, but what we don't do after? We call that genocide and we acknowledge that it's genocide. We don't look in the mirror and say, hey, how many of our people have been pushed and moved out of these cities. You know, in a slow kill fashion of these cities, you know, in a slow kill fashion, we don't call it genocide, we call it gentrification. You know, we pad the words and we pad the motion and action that's being taken against us, but we don't comparatively analyze it and realize that we are the ones that's being genocided.

Speaker 2: 6:22

Why? I say that Palestine houses roughly 30 to 40 percent of the total Palestinian population. Meaning for the past 60 years they've been allowed and encouraged to migrate elsewhere throughout the world and they have set up communities from france, spain, america. I'm sure we all know the, the blunt rap spot down the block with in it. You know what I'm saying. He's so cool and he, you know he's our dog, he's our guy. You know what I'm saying. So, whatever happens in palestine, those people have proliferated throughout the world. Where are you at? Where's your genocide at? Where's your community to flee to in these other foreign nations and countries where your family are, that's already set up shop with money and things of that nature and land. Where is it at? You don't have it so after it, have it so after it's finished. Here it's finished. So, like I said, we need to look at that. Hold on hold on.

Speaker 1: 7:32

What's up, bro? What you said was I had to give you that what you said was so.

Speaker 2: 7:56

yeah, god, that was so. Yeah, that's been hard heads and the heads of our children, our women, our former communities and our places of refuge. And so we have to look at what's going on with us and not to take anything away from anything that's going on with anyone else's experience or situation, but just to call to remembrance that we are the original beta test subjects for global domination and destruction of a people and genocide. We are the original so, remember that.

Speaker 2: 8:36

So, brother, dr Claude, one of my favorite authors, you know he never pulled punches, he never tried to blend in or fit in or or say the get along gang speech so he could get on the mic at the convention with the man and this, this, and that he targeted our, our, our failing infrastructure of leadership. Infrastructure of leadership All of our leaders and our institutions of leadership have been in total collapse since the 60s, when they began their assassination campaigns COINTELPRO and other institutional intelligence-based programs to eliminate organization in our communities, in our day-to-day lives. And here we are today, I believe 12 to 13 years after Dr Claude told us if you don't get it together by this day and time, it's going to be some permanent repercussions that you and the survivors are going to have to deal with, and that's what we're seeing today, so 2013.

Speaker 1: 9:53

Not to cut you off but to gather from. When I picked up this book years ago, I basically see he summarized the greatness and the genius of of Black Wall Street and other thriving black American cities that had their own economy, that were thriving financially, and he just basically summarized, summarized it and extracted a lot of like ideas and blueprints to formulate this book. And also it's basically it's like he took a mirror and uphold it, you know, to ourselves to say this is what you need to do in order to lift yourself from the bootstraps like stop, depending on your system. You know, you got the numbers, you're just not organized, you're just not educated economically. So this, that's what I gathered from this book when I read it like man I was like he broke it down.

Speaker 1: 10:45

He narrowed it down. Why are you not investing within your own community, your own people? Why is it that your so-called black dollar is not circulating X amount of days within the black community? The average time that stays within the community is three to six hours, then it's back out there. Why are you not manufacturing? Why are you not distributors as such?

Speaker 2: 11:10

Well, he goes into that, he asks those questions. In the end he comes up with a realistic and clearly understandable conclusion. And that is because of our determination to be integrated as opposed to manifesting our own destiny within ourselves. Desire to really hold on to those tenets of civil rights that have not benefited us is the reason why our businesses have failed, our communities have failed, our international exploits have failed everything.

Speaker 2: 11:57

Think like this you had Muhammad Ali during the 60s in Africa doing one of the biggest sporting events in the history of American sports. What's the follow through in the in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 90s, in the 2000s? Where are we yet? Have we gone forward or backwards? Or backwards, you know? So that was Black leadership and Black men taking control over their destiny and saying we're going to pave our own way, we're going to exclude the haters and the people that don't want to see us prevail and we're going to benefit and be triumphant over the forces of hate. And they were.

Speaker 2: 12:46

When Howard Cosell, the leading Zionist telecaster, is in Africa covering a fight for a Muslim in Africa, an all-Black event today, which would be in the billions of dollars, mayweather ain't got nothing on that pay-per-view if it, if it could be parallel today. Just think about this exactly where we're at now, we've got a bunch of half-naked women at a super bowl that we're begging to attend, with some rappers and some other people to uphold white supremacy and no shots against the football teams or this or that. You know. Kc Chiefs I'm a fan, you know as far as that goes. You know what I'm saying. And Seattle Seahawks I got to give them a honorary seat at the table. But I'm just saying comparatively, when we look at our economic downturn, what has been the cause of it? And clearly the answer is our eagerness to integrate and our reluctance to rely on self.

Speaker 1: 14:02

Our behaviors. I want to hear from Mag what you got to say about that, Mag, what you want to add on brother.

Speaker 3: 14:08

Yeah, I've always paid attention to Brother Claude Anderson and the topics and the points and the stuff that he brought up with the Empowernomics. That's why I wanted to get this brother here on the show, because he has an organization known as Africatown that has taken a lot of those points and the resolutions that came from those points and implemented them on a civic level where they say there's no solutions to this problem of, you know, black homelessness and black displacement. If there is a solution, no one has presented it. So instead of complaining, the brother here, malachi Kane, he is, you know, actually remedying the situation using, you know, a lot of Dr Claude's words of inspiration and a foundation, you know.

Speaker 1: 15:03

That's dope. No, the brother is well read when he's saying it. It makes a lot of sense to put these principles, these ideas, into practicality because, as Brother Ron was saying earlier, when the pandemic hit, it affected our community really. That's why we really started this organization Project Africa Restoration, par. We wanted to start, we wanted to feed the less fortunate within within our neighborhood. Right, because I see how it affected us a lot and you know from there I went on on these farm forums and I see that only three percent of our people really run farms in the US and I'm like damn, we are really in bad shape, like yeah, we could have successful um, entertainers, you know, athletes, rappers and such, but in reality that's just a small monopoly. That's my, not that's my. I mean, I'm a monopoly minority like the others.

Speaker 3: 16:00

I like that. Yeah, yeah, that's the right word too Go ahead.

Speaker 2: 16:04

We're caught up in a monopoly, definitely.

Speaker 3: 16:06

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 16:07

Yes.

Speaker 3: 16:09

You don't know the game.

Speaker 2: 16:11

To segue on what Brother Mikey was saying. You know, earlier last week you had this big news thing going on about Jay-Z's bid to take the casino to Times Square or whatever, and it failed. And you know the Breakfast Club. And then you had, you know, a whole bunch of people on the other side. Oh, that's racist, man, they just hating on them. Oh man, why they do Jay Like, you know we had all of that back, but you know, but let me ask this, with all that money, but let me ask this With all that money, why couldn't you start a health care facility or a school or something that we need? Because they kept bringing up, community needs this, the community is fighting and wants this. And I kept asking myself what? Who is they talking about? Yeah, ok, my grandma needs to go back to the casino and lose the check again. What's happening? You know it's like who is he talking about?

Speaker 2: 17:10

We need our own health care facility because we are clearly the sickest people physically. As you were saying, covid was a turning point point. It highlighted the weakness and vulnerability of our diet, our exercise programs and plans and our overall health, from our children up to our elderly. And we did not recover from COVID. We have not recovered and it's not COVID the disease, it's COVID the media and social institution that disabled us. Stay at home, don't get any money, we'll pay your rent, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2: 17:57

And after COVID, the tidal wave of health care, lack of school, unpaid rent and debt caught up to us and is hitting us the hardest. And we are the only group nationwide that has not been given relief. Ok, let me say that again. We are the only group that has not been given relief. From Wall Street down to Trailer Park, white man, we are the only group. Mexicans got relief, are getting relief. There's an unlimited budget I don't know if you know that, uh, for their housing, health care and everything else. We're the ones on the front line with nothing, just a bill and that deal well, maybe bee leaves they give us bee leaves instead of re-leaf.

Speaker 1: 18:49

I like that one. Oh lord, I like that one yeah, no doubt he said bee leaves instead of re-leaf exactly, exactly, that's real, you know as. Claude Anderson said in his song. Dr Claude Anderson said in his song. Dr Claude Anderson said you know, when our people tend to get a few dollars right, if they lack discipline and the proper etiquette, that dollar is going to leave within minutes.

Speaker 3: 19:21

Seconds yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:23

So we know, throughout the pandemic things were critical for our people, but then some were doing those, just like other groups were doing the scam as well the, the ppp right I wanted to see, it was part of our relief.

Speaker 2: 19:36

But I said man told me the people got jammed after, so let me leave that.

Speaker 1: 19:39

Exactly it was a relief because you know there was. Some had legitimate business. Many didn't have legitimate businesses. You you know, instead of actually investing that money into a business or putting it aside, they were out there getting rentals, popping bottles, having block parties, and later on that PPP turned into a problem for them.

Speaker 3: 20:02

You understand.

Speaker 2: 20:04

Yeah, it's a major problem now.

Speaker 2: 20:08

You know on that subject. One Saturday I had went to the bank to get a rental check for one of our clients that needed it. You know, they were in an eviction type situation. So I go into the bank, bank of America. So I go into the bank Bank of America, the whole bank, women and I I didn't even the people that greeted me at the door couldn't even speak english. That's how bad it was, you know. And I don't know if that's bad or good. It's bad if I'm in america and I can't speak english and no one at the bank understands what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 21:03

Uh, the manager, I, who I recognized, finally came out from behind the glass and came up to me and I said man, what is going on? I said the guy that greeted me at the door with the little iPad, he didn't even understand what I was saying. He said I know we're processing an influx of the PPP loan checks today, checks today. I said all of these old people I mean it was like 60 year old, 50 year old, you know, 30, 20 year old all these people were in here getting these checks. And I said what are they getting checks for? He said mainly nail salons and, uh, landscaping services and I was just in a daze like ma'. How many hundreds of millions of dollars is about to walk out that door?

Speaker 3: 21:51

Well, really. And then I saw simultaneously I mean, tell me what you saw with around that time, when COVID hit Right and the PPP checks it, you saw a lot of fentanyl on the street. That's when it really hit. Yeah, that's when it really hit. Yeah, yeah, that's when it really hit. And I was like what is this stuff, you know? And they were saying nobody had no money, but everybody had fentanyl.

Speaker 2: 22:15

Oh yeah, what people don't realize. I learned this in LA the nail salon is the chief importer of acetone and other chemicals that you and I cannot go and buy. Ok, and those are the chemicals used in our favorite concoctions. You know, from from the hard rock to the sherm to the fentanyl, stuff relies on chemicals and we saw a union during COVID with the Chinese nationals and the Mexican cartels that came together to create market transport import the chemicals and the fentanyl into America. I heard about that.

Speaker 1: 23:02

That's what they used to call back then China White.

Speaker 2: 23:05

Well, the China White was a heroin.

Speaker 1: 23:10

Yeah, it was basically not even real Like not even real heroin.

Speaker 3: 23:16

It's a chemical thing. It's a heroin that you snort.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Yeah, like they told Dorothy, stay away from the poison poppies, okay. And they've been putting us to sleep, since you know forever.

Speaker 1: 23:31

So I have a question though.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Yes, sir, brother.

Speaker 1: 23:34

What is the central problem poweronomics seeks to solve? Like we have many, but what is the mean?

Speaker 2: 23:41

I think changing our mindset okay To what solution looks like, or is changing our mindset to what solution looks like, or is what, or a strong outcome of victory is what is that? How does?

Speaker 3: 24:02

that look.

Speaker 2: 24:03

Is that me sitting up with a mortgage payment, putting three kids through school and, you know, washing my car down in the driveway with a water hose? In some that is viable financially. You know, with our own, I like that one Exactly.

Speaker 3: 24:43

That one sounds right, exactly Right.

Speaker 2: 24:46

Well, the highest level of success is along the same lines or paralleling the highest levels of integration with white hegemony and control. Then you have succeeded. You know, when you can get to the top and get with Mr Schumer and you know these other people and Mr White and all these guys at BlackRock. Now you're at the table, now you've become somebody. But when you have your own, independent of them, that's also successful. Maybe not in number wise, but autonomously. That is the success, and I think that's what the book is really saying. Hey, look over here, you know, and that timeline is is equally important because, we've surpassed it.

Speaker 2: 25:49

So where are we? You know, it's just like if you woke up and you're waiting on the day of judgment and you didn't realize the end of the world already happened and it's all, that's over with. Where are you at now? Because it's sure not happening right, exactly we're in that stage where we're trying to figure out. Where are we? You see what I'm saying maybe it's negatory.

Speaker 3: 26:13

Maybe we didn't make purgatory and we got put in negatory we in negatory alright the negatory.

Speaker 1: 26:19

I understand where you're coming from the powernomics. He had a lot of highlighted points where he said integration is disintegration, which means that that you know you want to integrate, but then you disintegrate with your own. You don't know how to do business with your own people Right. And you know I'm going to catch flack for this, but forgive me if I'm saying this. We are very iffy when it comes to doing business with one another.

Speaker 1: 26:48

You understand we have a distrust. You put any amount of small dollar between us, you know it starts to ruffle up feathers. Dudes feel a certain way. I'm entitled to this. You know, as another doctor said, that Dr Frazier said we have business and we have bidness, right. He said that Dr Frazier said we have business and we have business right. He said that right. Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 3: 27:12

Brother Ron be saying this.

Speaker 1: 27:14

Like Brother Ron always say this he's like yo, you know X, y and Z would show up to work for the so-called man on time. When it's time for him to do business on his own time with his own people, he shows up late.

Speaker 2: 27:27

Yes, he or she don't care, so exactly like.

Speaker 1: 27:32

Why is that we have etiquette for that. When it comes to our own, we lack the lack, that same etiquette, that same vigor well, where does that come from?

Speaker 2: 27:41

it's just that. It's our value system. Okay, that has been subverted from looking in the mirror to look out the window. All right, what that means is your money and your time don't mean as much to me as his money and his time.

Speaker 2: 28:03

When he wants me to get to work at 9 am, I am there. I'm there at 855 because I realize that that is a value to him and I'm upholding his value. But when it's me and you 915, 930, 10 o'clock, man, I might as well call in. But I'm going to come in and I'm going to do you a favor anyway, man, and come in today, man, because I know you need help with the fries, man, and you know I'm coming. Hold on for me, man, because I mean, the new George came out and I got to be at the mall to get them before. You know, I come after they're going to be gone.

Speaker 2: 28:43

That's our mentality. So it's just a matter of us valuing someone else's time and money more than our own. You know, I don't see the value in establishing you as an institution more so than establishing him. Like, for instance, what if CNN had contacted me today and said we want to hear about what you got to say about you know? X, y, z. What am I doing? Hey, y'all. Hey, man. Guess what CNN called man? Yeah, the Caucasian.

Speaker 2: 29:19

Establish a ring it's working. Call yeah, man. You understand what I'm saying, right, this is a one-time opportunity, man. No CNN can wait.

Speaker 1: 29:33

It's about loyalty. We're not loyal to ourselves and each other, basically.

Speaker 2: 29:36

We haven't been trained that we are more valuable. To have your own is more valuable. We have that renter mentality where we rent our stuff and that money we know is helping him buy his stuff. He becomes the owner. We're perpetual renters and at the end we get nothing except the gratification of seeing him have everything.

Speaker 3: 30:02

So that's. It's a deep psychological choke that we're dealing with that causes us to do this. You know, I keep kind of what they say, defaulting back to this behavior. I used to say the white man's ice is colder and his sugar is sweeter.

Speaker 2: 30:17

Yes, it is, and it's something that's born in colonialism and slavery here in the United States, more so here because they perfected their game here on us. And we understood and known that we are the test subjects for global domination.

Speaker 3: 30:36

We are To add on to that family. I mean, let's talk about this real quick, let's go into this 1865, slavery ended. Okay, about 1880, some odd in there. 1889 was the Berlin Conference, meaning that they had mastered their program on us. And then, 25 to 30 years later, they said well, let's take it to this larger group and implement colonialism. So that's facts. When you say where to test subjects, it shows you right there, because colonialism is just a larger version of slavery. Yeah, and if you understand the psychological motivations of a people, yeah, you can take that little program, a little lab program, and expand it to a whole continent. So I just wanted to add on yeah, you right on the spot, johnny on the spot on that one, sir. Yeah, you right on the spot, johnny on the spot on that one, sir, that's real.

Speaker 1: 31:28

So, oh my God, it's like you know, the last show and this one is putting everything in proper perspective altogether.

Speaker 1: 31:43

So to what you were saying, mag. How does powernomics connect to economic and culture? It adds on to that from like you know. Know how does it to the culture? Because we know, we feel that once I'm successful, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with rewarding yourself and treating yourself good, right, but we feel that once we get a certain amount of dollars, I can't live amongst my own because those that don't have it, that are misfortunate, don't think like me and I become a target. So why is it that within our culture, we feel that once we're successful, we got to get away from one another. We feel like we can't deal with each other, no more.

Speaker 2: 32:13

Well, I'm going to keep it 100. And it hurts and I say it hurts because it takes away from our own personal responsibility but the criminalization and the mind control and media control of the white people okay, we have been criminalized. I'll give you an example. All right, I grew up in the 80s. I was at age 16. I was at the NWA Too Short Public Enemy concert with Ice-T, absolutely, I mean, I was up there at 16, right, you know? I'm just saying that to put it in perspective of what I'm thinking and the time frame.

Speaker 2: 33:08

At that point in time, the highest level street wear clothing that you could have was a Dapper Dan troop suit or Fila suit or one of those what they call markups or mashups. Now, all right, if I said I'm going to put together a Nike outfit and sew it together with leathers and it looks dope and send my son out to school with, what would happen? They would laugh. You got on some homemade Nike stuffike stuff. Man. The daddy done put together. Look at his shoe. Oh my god, like it looks. Like I don't care about that. Look, man, we got our stuff at the mall. You got your stuff in some dude in a alley warehouse downtown off the ground and then the feds came in and criminalized the man, arrested him, busted him, you know.

Speaker 2: 34:17

So what I'm saying is, you know, they criminalized us first, then subconsciously pressed the inferiority complex into our mindset about us, about our own, when we do our own thing, when we build our own business, when we innovate. Then now look at the flip side Dapper Dan working for Gucci and Louis Vuitton right now.

Speaker 3: 34:44

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 34:46

They're calling him for every design that come out. Check this out, dan. How do we get at your people? Because he's a master at it. So they completely flipped the script and, like I said again, I'm going to say it once more we're too busy looking out the window as opposed to looking in the mirror. He got it going down the street street we don't inside of us, but he's looking in the mirror from behind us out there. What he doing now? What's he doing now?

Speaker 2: 35:20

you see, that's, that's the problem it's so real, brings that, brings that to the highlight and forefront of gender wise so the agenda right, because I have noticed this right.

Speaker 1: 35:34

Um, when rappers were coming out with their own clothing line, I noticed places like JCPenney or Kmart would be the, you know, the places that sell their clothing and it'll be middle, it'll be middle America.

Speaker 1: 35:48

Um, white kids buying like the rockaways, the fat farms, whatsoever, right, right, and a few people in the in the hood will buy their clothing. But I noticed that it was them that were picking it up because, you know, we are a commodity to sell, a lifestyle. But meanwhile the rappers, as you mentioned earlier, will be the ones to go out there and buy the gucci's, the pradas you get what I'm saying all the italian brands. But meanwhile we'd be like I'm not paying that much for that, that's too much money, it's the same price as polo but like I'm not supporting no jay-z or no sean combs or whoever I'm gonna go out there and get that.

Speaker 1: 36:28

Ralph Lauren. You know what I'm saying. Go to Neiman Martin, whatever, and go blow $3,000 on one t-shirt.

Speaker 2: 36:42

He's outside of us, he's an external extension of you know, of value, and we don't see value in ourselves. So when we see the Sean John, the Rock of Wear, the, this, that and this and that man, that's cool. But man, that one man, that's Italian leather. You know, I was reading this article and it was some brothers from Ghana and Nigeria, and it was some brothers from Ghana and Nigeria and they were expressing how the Italian designers come and get all of their, their leather and take it to it. They're the ones and producing the leather, the raw leather material that winds up in Italy, that makes those bags, those shoes and those clothes. All of that is coming from Africa. But part of the contract is you are not to reveal who you are selling and how much you're selling.

Speaker 2: 37:43

This is to be on the under, and we're just importing or exporting from you all raw materials.

Speaker 1: 37:50

Got you. There's a comment here from Miss Alicia Hutton which is very, very deep. I mean, yeah, very, very deep comments. She said black community and other minority communities have not been educated on financial assets and employment and employment ethic Caucasian persons have been taught through generations that's true, that right, that right. There is very true, yes, it is, and it's coming from my sister as well. I like that definitely, sis.

Speaker 2: 38:22

Thank you, um, but let's comment on. We have been in a fight or flight situation where we're living from hand to hand, check to check, mouth to mouth, you know. So we are on, have been in those situations. Ok, then the other side of that is we got this large chunk of money, or such and such is selling dope, and got this type of money. You know, there's always this time, uh compression on our finances to where, instead of learning, we're concerned with, uh, the utilization for immediate needs and survival, as opposed to sitting there pondering, organizing and educating about what we're doing throughout, you know, and so that's not an accident. You know that's not an accident. But at some point in time, again back to personal responsibility, and that's another thing I was saying investments.

Speaker 1: 39:24

We're not talking about investment. I was saying we were not talking about investments.

Speaker 2: 39:28

No, investment is just one aspect of it. How about spending money? You? Know, how about, you know, create products to sell. Invest in yourself. The stock market is great and crypto is great and all that's great. Invest in yourself. What do you have to offer the world that can make money?

Speaker 3: 39:51

And see there's another part that goes to that. Okay, because a lot of us have really good ideas, right, really good ideas, man. A lot of us have good products that we could bring to the table. That's where the white folks get it from. From us, we have 50,000 inventions after slavery. However, what we do not have is the operational unity and the cooperation to bring these products from sketches to an actual physical product and to continue to continually, consistently put it out and market it. That operational unity.

Speaker 3: 40:24

But realistically, the sad thing is that we're the only group that does have like a homogenous community here in America. They say it's not, but it has to be because they're selling us all the same things, same food, same clothes, giving us all the same. If it wasn't homogenous, it is now. So if we could take that homogenousness that we have all wearing the same clothes, buying the same foods, drinking the same red red juice y'all know you got some red juice over there somewhere, yeah, okay, you see, but take that and invest that in the cooperation you know, into building what brother malachi is talking about some new communities that are civically fit for where we're at right now, and if we take all this, quite the same effort that we take, you know, to go and buy all this stuff and you know, try to keep up with the Joneses and buy these Germans.

Speaker 3: 41:21

If we took just the effort itself, okay, the money is the money. The money comes when you put a whole bunch of people cooperatively, collectively, together. The money will come. But if you don't have the cooperation, you don't need the money, because ain't nothing gonna happen with the money. And I'm feeling like that's, that's one of our achilles heel man, what you think, brother mal I?

Speaker 2: 41:41

I totally agree and you know know, just really honing back in on Dr Claude's timeline, you know, those are over, man.

Speaker 2: 41:52

You know the day where we jump up on the soapbox and galvanize the people and we all gather together and get the people to come down. You know, right now, what we need to be focused on is microeconomic sales. All right, because we are powerful and, as you know, I come on this show I think I've been three times but I will always tell you about your power and that, globally, you are the most powerful people on planet earth. I will never diminish that comment. I won't walk it back. I won't put any filters on that. We are the most powerful people on planet Earth. Now, with that being said, five of us that are focused and directed to a strategy economically, militarily socially or otherwise we can accomplish greatness.

Speaker 2: 42:55

That's a fact. That's true. Yeah, all right. I walk through the streets and the marketplaces in various countries throughout the world, particularly in africa. I see young men and older men with Jordans on and jerseys and I approach them and I say you like Michael Jordan? And they say who you know. They don't even know who Jordan is. They don't know why they have the shoes on, but they know we wear it.

Speaker 2: 43:25

They don't they just know our age. All right, now, that's in every culture and society on planet earth. All right. So now, if we build a micro cell, uh, to do some economic work and upliftment for our people, okay, it could be done, uh, myself, I think, with five people, uh, even less, it was really just me and my children and a couple supporters, brother Magnetic included, were able to raise over $10 million and distribute that throughout the metropolitan area of the city of Seattle to save our people from homelessness. Wow.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Salute, hold on, gotta salute you guys for that. That is powerful right there. Ok, hold on, I got to salute you guys for that. That is powerful.

Speaker 2: 44:18

You know we started out with a lemonade stand with ideas and conversation against the establishment's domination of our educational and community resources. You know which they have a stronghold on all over the country. You know which they have a stronghold on all over the country. But just a few people were able to say, hey, this is an issue that's important to us, that we're not going to let go, and the hush money and the getaway and the political kickback or whatever was, let's get them something so they can't say anything else, so we can suppress that. So I think that if we have that mind state, we can kind of disavow this trust, this distrust that we have in black business and black this and that, and come together in small sales and then unite those small sales together to create larger cells and a network nationally.

Speaker 2: 45:20

I think and know that that can happen and we can do it. We have the brain power, we have the manpower, we have the intelligence. What we don't have is the agenda and the directive. But that's what we have been developing in our think tank. You know the Rand Foundation has a think tank the Ford and Carnival developing in our think tank. You know Rand Foundation has a think tank the Ford and Carnival Foundation have a think tank. We expand our think tank, unify it and come together. You know you can rent a hall or a banquet center or something to that effect for the repass or for the wedding reception or little TT and them birthday party.

Speaker 2: 46:01

Okay, let's rent that convention center and bring the Black men together to save our families, ourselves and our lives in the community and globally.

Speaker 3: 46:15

That's real right there. That would be. I mean and that's why I love Brother Malachi, because he's one of the few brothers I hear people talking about this subject, but I don't hear people moving on black civics, livable black cities. How do we do this? How do we build this? How do we create the cooperation? Is it doable? He's the person that has pushed the conversation that I saw you know what I mean and then took and went to go get the money and put the money behind the idea. So now it's in motion and people can see yes, this is something that's real. However, we need to go past this. You know, rent subsidies to, like the brother said, building our actual own places in which we control, in which we build, in which we run, in which we maintain. That's a great conversation for brothers like our age to be having man and then take this to everywhere where it's needed, because if we can do it here, we can do it anywhere.

Speaker 1: 47:13

Exactly A smart sell because this African town exactly that's right a smart, a smart sell because this african town I see the importance of why you implementing dr claude's principles in there and you know, um, the black round table is just basically getting like-minded individuals right, not seeking that validation from the outside, but just looking within, knowing that we have the might, we have the will I mean the outside, but just looking within, knowing that we have the might, we have the will I mean the power but we just need that will to overcome these things.

Speaker 2: 47:44

And then I just want to ask, you know, so far as validation, yes, there's a lot of us that continuously look for mainstream validation. Where are those people that are validated? Where are they? I think the height, the biggest one, was Barack Obama, you know, and everybody was. I mean, I don't want to be like the hater dude, you know, or the naysayer guy, but I've been telling people about the man you know coming from the Midwestwest chicago, missouri, all of this coming from there. I've been telling them like the people on the grassroots level knew, hey, this ain't the, it ain't the business, nah, but now you know, yeah, okay, so he, he had the highest level of mainstream validation as a so-called black man, if you accept that premise of his identity, because he's safe.

Speaker 2: 48:42

Right, but at this point in time, it's totally collapsed. Yeah, okay, it has totally collapsed. He had him, will Smith, jay-z all of them in the same shoe and bucket. You know what I'm saying? And everybody's looking at them like man, bro, what's?

Speaker 3: 49:03

the deal yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:06

It was just showing.

Speaker 3: 49:06

Where's the?

Speaker 2: 49:07

money at yeah. And now look at you. You played yourself. You have no credibility with us and that was shown during the Kamala fiasco. You know he came to degrade and talk crazy to black people and it was like man you don't even have, you can't even step on even register.

Speaker 2: 49:26

You can't step on. Your opinion is worthless. So this is the way of being validated by the white man when you finish your usefulness to them, they pull that rug out from under you and that golden carriage turns into a pumpkin. And sorry, cinderella, take it home.

Speaker 3: 49:49

And the high heel turned into a converse.

Speaker 2: 49:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, hit the ground and start turning them deals that you was doing in the alley before we met you so valid like that. I don't want to be valid like that. No, turn my switch off. Our about. Our validity, like malcolm match, is eternal. Our validity stands the test of time and continues to inspire, above and beyond whatever credibility they could ever lend us.

Speaker 3: 50:24

Say that. In fact, I think you know I was in college one time. Okay, this was like late, I'd say late 90s, going into 2000,. Okay, we had a lot of exchange students and they asked them. They said why do you come here? They asked all of them? We had some. There was some China, we had some of them from Europe, some of them from all over different parts. They said who do you really gravitate towards? They said man, only the black rappers. They said not the politicians or anybody. They named all these white people. They no, we don't like them, we like motel oh, he froze, let's see he goes yeah, he froze up before.

Speaker 1: 51:08

Before we go, I want to ask one of like two questions like this is. This is pertaining to, like the um, the africatown. Okay, what industry should ask? What industry? What industry does anderson suggest? You know when?

Speaker 3: 51:22

we're talking about, oh, when we're talking about the, you know, america's image. Yeah, there's some white people in there, but the people they think of most. This most prominent dominant is us, period, you know. And we, as far as the world trends like you said, brother Mal, we're the creator of world trends. Other people try to make them and do their best and they put a lot of money behind them. We wake up in the morning and start a world trend. You're saying this is a time when we can use this influence, take it from out of the bullshit, rap stuff, the parenting white culture, and invest it into ourselves and makes we. There has to be a new model for living for the future, and only black people can create it, because we gave america its first model and the world is first model for living has to be updated, though, and reorganized according to what's going on right now, and we can do it, you know.

Speaker 1: 52:18

That's true. It's self-love, Self-love and unity. Trust me, I'm not saying we monolithic, but if we had understanding, compassion and love for one another we would shift things, it would In the blink of an eye.

Speaker 3: 52:33

Yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 52:34

I know to some it may sound like a utopia. It has never happen. It has to happen and we have to do a lot of cleaning within our own backyard to get that going.

Speaker 2: 52:46

Thanks Everyone will make it, unfortunately. I think that the key to it is economics and it's found in power economics. You know, right wing nationalists. I'm not even going to give his name, you know, just the light of day, but he made a comment hey, the reason that the inner cities are in turmoil and this and that is going on is because of lack of the, the father in the in the households of these people. Okay, and I, I, I detract from that and and I reject it and I say this you can have a father in the household, Like many of us they grew up, did, but if the father is ineffective because of his economic status and therefore viewed as a lowly individual in the household and in the community Because it didn't matter, how many would have had the father and the father in the court with the son, you know, and the son going to jail.

Speaker 2: 53:56

I've been there for him, you know.

Speaker 2: 54:07

We hear that story too many times. So, economically, the man has to be a figure of support and innovation economically to be respected by the youth and the community at large by the youth and the community at large and they have hamstrung us and we have played into that and neglected to fight back properly, which has created the situation where the youth disrespect the household, the youth disrespect the community because it's not theirs and it will never be theirs with the pathway of economic downfall that we see. So how will they ever win unless they shoot it up and slam some stuff and take it from you? So that is the reason. But as long as we can make it some social slave issue kids that got stole down the river and then the investor in them came back but he can't see his sons in them and now they went crazy as long as we can keep that narrative going, we take the economic chip off the table and we revert into some you know, a situation where we have ineffective policies, approaches and leadership in how to solve these problems.

Speaker 1: 55:17

Beautiful. That's real right there, yes, sir.

Speaker 3: 55:25

I would just say, you know, I'm really glad we're here continuing this conversation about livable black cities, because I've heard consultants, I've heard politicians, I've heard so-called leaders address this subject. However, the only people that are really going to sincerely be able to address it and deal with it are the people who it's basically us, you know, the people who have walked through this and lived in this and seen all angles of it and looking at it from inside out and outside, in perspective, to know what works, what has worked and what has not worked, you know, and then taking what has worked and multiplying it. Multiplying, okay, us, us, us, here, we, we, you know we. We pretty much share the same ideals. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 56:12

Um, I've seen a lot of little bitty projects grow into big projects. Okay, little bitty projects grow into big, big projects, man, and things that people thought could never grow that big. Seattle university started with one house. University of Washington started with about four or five houses and somebody donated and now it's almost a huge portion of the city, seattle University as well. But what it takes is cooperation and consistency, continually stacking bricks. Even if it's just one brick a day, that's still a brick that counts. And the cooperation and the commitment. Commitment, it goes a long way, and that's what we're bringing to you here with africatown is so you can plug into an infrastructure of something that's going into the future.

Speaker 3: 57:06

That's not some fly by night, something that pops up and then disappears, because we've dealt with a lot of that, we've seen a lot of that, you know, and we want people to be able to plug into something that says, hey, we have, we have sustainability, as far as I would say what I call civic utility okay, meaning that you don't just build an apartment for people. You got to have the school, you got to have the hospital, you got to have the supermarket, you have to have the amenities to make it a livable black city. And that's what we're talking about. We're not just talking about one business, one apartment, one health center for one family. No, that ain't it. That's not a whole discussion or that's not the whole answer. So you know that's right.

Speaker 3: 57:54

And let me just add.

Speaker 2: 57:55

I know we're closing but we have to remember and always enforce in all of our circles. You've got United States, Great Britain, France, Russia, China and every other nation that calls themselves a power, a superpower or anything in between. Their whole focus is maintaining relationships with Africa so that they can still stay in power.

Speaker 2: 58:23

If we are to constitute a nation, as we have been calling ourselves for the past hundred years, if we constitute a nation, we too also must join that struggle of creating economic ties and back and forth flow between here and the continent. We have a fact.

Speaker 3: 58:43

Yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 58:44

That's a fact. Thanks, oh my God bro.

Speaker 3: 58:48

That's the Morris tradition right there. Trade and commerce, yes, sir, you have to have, you have to look at the word market to have. In fact, if you look at the word market, we know it was more kits. So without the more, no market, we took the products abroad.

Speaker 2: 59:07

The whole world came there to buy, sell and trade, but mostly to buy. And just so you understand, the first to recognize the United States of America in their corporate status after the British embargo. That said, no one shall buy the Mediterranean and back with goods, cotton specifically and services. This was the basis for a lot of the original maritime law for the American corporation. Just look it up.

Speaker 1: 59:57

How can they get in contact, how can people go about finding information about Africantown and how can they contribute, get involved?

Speaker 2: 1:00:07

Okay, Well, the topic is pretty broad, meaning there are many Africantowns. The biggest one is in China, actually meaning the most people engaged in the commerce and travel and this and this and that as far as what we're doing here in Seattle, west Africa and other places throughout the country. Just contact me or contact info at Africatowninternationalorg. There's a website. It's under development. We're just rehashing it so it should be up and running sometime next month. But info here I'll put it in the chat for anyone and from that situation.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

All inquiries can be met on a personal level, not some, you know, behind the veil type situation, some you know behind the veil type situation. Uh, because I think I know what we're going to have to do in the next few months is organize the thought process that is going to give us our own social service network, uh, throughout the world. Okay, because there is no more money for us and there's a hostile nature and attitude from the people that we were relying on Social Security, food stamps, section 8, all of that let's get rid of it. Let's do it ourselves. We can do better.

Speaker 1: 1:01:34

We can do better. I said that we can do it ourselves, man. If we could do it ourselves, we wouldn't have to worry about who's going to be sitting in the political seat. Yeah, you got to deal with your local politics, but it wouldn't affect you as much if you had money circulating.

Speaker 2: 1:01:47

No, it wouldn't. When you travel the world and you see all these other countries with free housing and free health care, and then you come back to the so-called race on earth and man, I can't even go get a bandaid if I don't have health insurance. You know, I went to the doctor the other week. I go, your health coverage expired. I was like I took my money. No, it was like, yeah, but that was for that plan and this plan, and you got to go to plan B and G. You know, I couldn't believe it. Believe it, but this is the reality for us no healthcare, no housing, no economic integration into their systems and finally, what else is left besides prison and death? That's the inheritance that we're trying to hand off to our youth. We've got to do better.

Speaker 1: 1:02:37

Definitely, definitely. That being said, my people, I appreciate y'all for coming out Right on bro.

Speaker 3: 1:02:45

And Brother Mal is definitely going to be a part of our regular Black Roundtable discussion. You know, and I just want to say I appreciate you seeing you again, brother Mikey. It's been a while since I've seen you, brother.

Speaker 1: 1:02:58

Been a minute, but you're still in there.

Speaker 3: 1:03:01

I appreciate you, man, and honestly, we would love to bring Africatown man as an entity to New York. So let's have that conversation as well, because I know there's some people who need services Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:03:13

We'll be up there and we'll get you connected, let's do it. Indeed, my up there, and we'll make the connection. Let's do it. Indeed my brother.

Speaker 2: 1:03:20

Peace Alright peace brother, Peace family Be out. Alright nice to see you, Mike, Likewise my brother.

Speaker 3: 1:03:24

Yes, sir. Thank you, brother man. Thank you brother Mike Peace. You're welcome, brother, Thank you.