Message to the Blackman Part 4 - Eric Muhammad

The journey toward Black liberation requires both spiritual transformation and political independence—a truth powerfully articulated in this eye-opening conversation with Minister Eric Muhammad of Muhammad's Temple Number 15 in Atlanta.

Minister Eric unveils a revolutionary vision of the future where Black people will experience not just social change but fundamental transformation at the cellular level. He explains how the "brown germ" within Black people—the source of weakness and wickedness—will eventually be removed, creating a new civilization where righteousness becomes our very nature. "We'll only be able to build, we won't be able to destroy anymore," he asserts, painting a picture of a society fundamentally different from anything we've known.

This discussion challenges conventional thinking about what true independence means. Minister Eric dismisses the notion that small-scale entrepreneurship constitutes economic freedom: "We have absolutely got to stop thinking that having a table on the street is economic independence." Instead, he defines real independence as complete nationhood—with our own currency, land, flag, government, and systems. Most critically, he emphasizes that the first step toward this vision is "identity independence" through registration with the Nation of Islam, explaining that "as long as we are in the names of our former slave masters, we literally are the property of our slave master."

The conversation delves into profound theological discussions about the nature of Allah, the role of Elijah Muhammad as messenger, and the principles of Islam. Minister Eric articulates clear distinctions between his understanding of these teachings and those promoted by Minister Louis Farrakhan, grounding his perspective in the original texts and principles.

For those seeking to apply these teachings today, Minister Eric emphasizes the importance of training under proper guidance: "After reading, it becomes necessary to practically apply what we have read." This underscores a crucial truth—that knowledge without application remains theoretical, while real transformation requires disciplined practice under qualified leadership.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Minister Eric Muhammad
• 4:24 Vision for the Future Without the Brown Germ
• 8:35 Leadership Responsibilities in the Nation
• 16:55 Economic Independence and Nationhood
• 21:54 Understanding Spiritual and Political Guidance
• 34:05 Disagreements with Minister Farrakhan
• 41:32 Unity, Division and Youth Training
• 48:40 Cultural Identity and Final Message
• 56:32 Closing Thoughts and Contact Information

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:10

What's going on, everybody? Up there is Ron Brother NMC, the People's Fitness Professional, aka Soul Brother Number One, Reporting for Duty, and I am here with the brother, Minister Eric Muhammad. Peace to Eric Mohammed, Asalam Aleikum. Listen, brother Eric Muhammad, this journey with this podcast has uh enlightened me on so many levels. I'm I'm meeting a lot of different brothers, uh people from the NO and uh man, uh different five percenters, and I'm learning a lot, man. This is this has been a great journey. Thank you for helping us. You basically helped us. You you were with us from the beginning. So peace to you, man. I I I I I highly respect you, brother. How are you doing this evening?

SPEAKER_00: 0:59

Fine. So all praises due to Allah for the most honorable Elijah Muhammad.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04

That's peace. So now I want to make this this episode of Message to the Black Man the final episode on Message to the Black Man, and then eventually go into the other books, yes, sir. Okay, so um, we the first question is um the vision for the future. The prison uh the prison, pardon me. The vision for the future. If the principles in the message to the black man were fully apply today, what kind of society or community would we see in the next 25 years?

SPEAKER_00: 1:38

The scripture mentions the answer to your question. Now, the reason I referred to scripture is because scripture is how we understand the knowledge degree in the one through 40. The scripture is written by the original man who is allowed the supreme being, the black man of Asia. Those writers of scripture said that no eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has anyone's heart been able to conceive of what that future is going to look like. So we do know that we're going to have a new civilization. In our savior has arrived, we are given hints at what it would be. We are told that he, Allah, referring to Master Farad Muhammad, will make all things new. We are told that there will be a new Islam, that only the principles of the present Islam will remain. We are also told that Master Farad Muhammad will cause us to grow physically into a new growth. As we presently exist, or as we are presently made, the black man has two germs: one a black germ, one a brown germ. And we know that the enemy was grafted from us with destroying the black germ and saving the brown germ and grafting it into a white. Master Farad Muhammad will cause us to grow into a growth that is new in the sense that that material, brown germ, will be removed from us. The black man will no longer be made of two germs. Well, you know how the lesson says in the black man there exists two germs. Well, that's not going to be anymore in this future that we're talking about the vision of. There won't be a black and a brown germ. Since there still is a black and a brown germ, the messenger said a devil could be grafted from us today, but it will be impossible for a devil to ever be grafted from us again in this new vision that is going to be the future. There'll never be able to be another enemy grafted from us, and it will be impossible for us to destroy. I'm using five percent language because I hope I'm talking to five percenters. Uh, we won't be able to destroy anymore. And when I say destroy, I'm using destroy as the word for sin. We won't be able to sin because that material, the brown germ, it'll be removed from us. So we'll only be able to build, we won't be able to destroy anymore. We'll only be able to do righteousness, we won't be able to do unrighteousness anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 5:09

Now, do you think that's possible in as far as like human humanity, like human, like the human makeup?

SPEAKER_00: 5:17

Absolutely. Like I said, the brown germ is going to be removed, he's gonna destroy that material in us. We won't be black men consisting of two germs anymore. The whole problem that we have right now, and we've had it ever since there's been the black man, is that brown germ. That brown germ has been the problem the whole time, so that brown germ has to be dealt with, and it will be dealt with. So teaches the most honorable Elijah Muhammad by Master Farad Muhammad. He's gonna cause us to physically grow in such a way that the brown germ won't be there anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 6:03

Okay, all right. So I want to get back to that brown germ, yes, sir. Before we do, um, as far as the society, what kind of society? Let's say, okay, the brown germ is gone. Now it's just the black germ, right? Right now, what kind of society and community would it be? Just in peace, peace and harmony, right?

SPEAKER_00: 6:30

Exactly. That's that's that's the only picture that we can paint. It's a very broad picture. There are no details, the pixels of this picture are not high death, the high death of this picture of the society that is going to come into existence. The high death is not there. The scripture teaches that the high death wouldn't be there, that no eye would see, nor ear heard, nor heart has been able to conceive, and so the high definition that comes when the removal of the enemy is completed, and the kingdom that that society represents is established.

SPEAKER_02: 7:23

Okay, all right. So now um we now why why do you say so? The why would the brown germ be a problem be problematic? Because it can create the other germs, right?

SPEAKER_00: 7:39

The brown germ is recessive, the black germ is dominant, it's the brown germ that allows us to do wickedness, it's a weak germ, and it allows us to do wickedness, so it has to be removed so that we won't even be able to do wickedness anymore. That germ is called in uh I don't I don't remember exactly what book or lecture is talking about, but it says that he will remove that wicked material from us, that wicked material, which are the words that is used. That wicked material, it is referring to the brown germ in us, it's a weak and recessive germ.

SPEAKER_02: 8:31

Okay, so responsibility of leadership that's the second question, right? Responsibility of leadership. Elijah Muhammad laid out guidance for leaders as well as the people. What responsibility do today's black leaders have to carry forward the blueprint he gave?

SPEAKER_00: 8:52

I would say that uh and I'm kind of uh snickering a little bit inside because I would say that the answer to that is in the foi manual, and I know some of us go to the street and buy one, but the answer to that is in the foi manual, it actually and literally lays down what it refers to as those people in the nation of Islam that assume a position of leadership, it lays it down. So the answer is in the foi manual. Of course, I don't want to go deep into the details of what it entails, but the answer is in the foi manual. So if if those of you who are watching, if you bought one, go read it.

SPEAKER_02: 9:56

I think I have one. But you know what? I'm so like sometimes I could be kind of rigid, like sometimes I go, you know what? You know, uh I'm not gonna read that until I get these things in order first. Like, there's other books I have to have to read, like theology of time. I have to get through that book. Um, and also, you know, when I look at these these books, right? So I got let me show you. Okay, so you know I got the supreme wisdom, I got these right here. I think I I've shown you this before, right? So it's like I look through it and it just looks like it needs not the supreme wisdom per se, but even in the back, even some of some of even in the supreme wisdom, it looks like you need uh help with this. Like it's just like just not like a self-study kind of thing. Even with 120, you know, in a five percent nation, people have to walk you through 120. So uh, you know, I I'm I'm thinking that I'm matter of fact, I'm sure you have to be walked through all the other um uh I would say documentation in in the uh nation of Islam.

SPEAKER_00: 11:11

Can I confirm that with the 120?

SPEAKER_02: 11:15

Which what you mean?

SPEAKER_00: 11:16

Can I confirm what you just said by reciting something in the 120? Yeah, what is the meaning of CAPT period and L I E U T period, Captain and Lieutenant? The duty of the captain is to give orders to the lieutenant, and the lieutenant's duty is to teach and train private soldiers, right? Right, right, right, right. It's the lieutenant that walks you through what we're talking about right now, it's your lieutenant, indeed, indeed.

SPEAKER_02: 11:55

Oh, pardon me. Yep, so now um let's go through it. So, as far as the leadership, one thing someone asked me was a more asked me, so as far as leaks, because this ties into the question, they said, so what is Eric Muhammad a part of temple 15? What is it exactly?

SPEAKER_00: 12:22

Muhammad's temple number 15 is the Atlanta Temple of the Nation of Islam under the leadership of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. It was not established by Eric Muhammad, it was not uh well, we'll stick with established. Uh, Eric Muhammad didn't establish Muhammad's temple number fifteen. Elijah Muhammad established Muhammad's temple number 15 for the city of Atlanta, Georgia. Minister Eric Muhammad is simply the current minister of the temple that the most honorable Elijah Muhammad himself established.

SPEAKER_02: 13:14

Okay. So now in Atlanta, what would your temple do like out there, you know, to deal with the people, like community relations? Are you passing out uh newspapers? Are you like what what are you doing with the community?

SPEAKER_00: 13:29

The newspaper is not in current circulation, but there are publications that we do pass out. Okay, okay. Other than that, I'm sorry. Other than that, we are right down to the modern days and the modern times. The typical average person is going to be reached through their cell phone, not their car window. This is not the 1950s, 60s, and 70s or even 80s. You will reach people by means of social media more so than you will reach them in any other way. I don't say that that is a good thing, because I don't believe that that is a good thing. I think we are overdoing the social media thing. However, people today want the convenience of holding a cell phone in their hand. Like, look at your subscribership, look at how you've grown, look at how your podcast has made the progress that is made. Imagine if you were in the streets trying to drum up this type of you know problem. Just imagine, but social media look at the growth, right? Because people right now have a cell phone in their hand and they're watching your podcast, right?

SPEAKER_02: 15:17

Indeed. So you're using social media to get to the people and things of that nature. So any any are you guys a part of the community, like a part of any uh uh community like passing out um, let's say, like like food, food drives, clothing, uh, school giveaways, or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00: 15:38

No, no, we don't we don't give a man a fish. More often than not, we don't. We we we give people a fish. I don't mean a literal fish now. What I mean is we don't give away usually, like sometimes you'll see people in here, those people are here because we're giving them a fish, those people are here because they're hungry and they want to eat, and they came here because they know after the meeting we're gonna feed them, right? So we do some of that, but more often than not, we teach a man how to fish, as opposed to giving a man a fish, because if you give a man a fish, you feed him for one day. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for the rest of his life.

SPEAKER_02: 16:32

Actual fact, got you. All right, so the next question is about economics. The book emphasizes building independent businesses and institutions. What does economic independence look like for us now, and what steps are most urgent?

SPEAKER_00: 16:55

Well, now I really like that question. What economic independence looks like is nationhood. We have absolutely got to stop thinking that having a table on the street is economic independence. It's better to have a table on the street than to be like me and have jobs in the white man's plantation, it's better. That's wonderful, but that's not economic independence, that is a step in the direction of economic independence. We have got to stop thinking that if we set up a stake and take or a Shabbaz bakery or go get a patch, the messenger called them patches. You know, we're talking about having farmland and we might own an acre. The messenger had hundreds of acres, even thousands, and he called his thousands of acres patches. We gotta stop thinking if we got some land that we growing some onions and tomatoes on, that that's economic independence. That is a step in the direction, and it's better than me working a couple of jobs, no problem, but it's not economic independence. Economic independence is nationhood, absolutely nothing short of nationhood. When you reach in your pocket or your wallet and you pull out a dollar and it's got us on it instead of the white man, that's economic independence. When you have your own land with your own flag flying over it, and your own government and the systems of government, your own currency, your own everything, that's economic independence. So that's what economic independence is, and what is most urgent as a step towards that economic independence is identity independence. I know nobody has heard that term, and I don't intend to start that term, I'm just using it temporarily to make the point. The most urgent step is to register with the nation of Islam. How can you be independent as a nation that is within another nation? How can you be independent if you are the nation of Islam, but you're not a registered member? You're just claiming the nation of Islam. I mean, anybody can come to the United States and claim the United States, but are you actually a citizen? No, you have to be registered, you you have to go through a citizenship process, and that's what needs to be done. That's the absolute first thing that needs to be done registration with your nation. Because as long as we are in the names of our former slave masters, literally, this is not good, slick sounding Muslim rhetoric. As long as we are in the names of our former slave masters, we literally are the property of our slave master. No other nation and people can claim us as long as we go in the names of the nation that we are now in. We can't, we can we cannot continue to do this. We got to get that name out of the way. And registration with the nation begins with an X and then goes to a holy name based on our good works on behalf of our nation.

SPEAKER_02: 21:14

Gotcha. Now, I want to talk about um before I go into a question from sizzling stake. What a name. What a name. Okay, sizzling steak. Before I go into the question for sizzling steak, I want to talk about we're talking being that we're on economics and financial independence. Uh, I want to talk about just I know we spoke about it before, but just in case we have other people on the podcast that missed it, the things that Elijah Muhammad had set up for our people, can you give me some, you know, some like the school examples?

SPEAKER_00: 21:55

There is a I'm gonna use the word publication. There's a publication, and I'm sure those of you who buy FOI manuals and supreme wisdom lesson books, you can buy this publication as well. It's called Accomplishments of the Muslims. And this particular publication, Accomplishments of the Muslims, gives you a detailed look into those things that you just asked me about: the schools, the businesses, the farmland, all of the various enterprises, you know, the newspaper, you name it. I would get my hands on one of those accomplishments of the Muslims. I see no problem with anybody selling that.

SPEAKER_02: 22:48

Okay, let me let me get that, write that down. Accomplishments of the Muslims, right? Because what I heard, he had a school, he had uh um uh uh grocery stores, um uh what bakeries, uh what else, man? I that's that's what I can remember right now.

SPEAKER_00: 23:16

Right. You had uh actually there were at the very least 46 schools.

SPEAKER_02: 23:25

Wow, yes, sir. There were 46 of them. Was he working on a bank or something like that, or had a bank? Not working on it, had it. Oh wow. Wow, yes, sir. That's financial independence right there.

SPEAKER_00: 23:43

Close. We didn't have a nation.

SPEAKER_02: 23:47

Got you. Okay, makes sense. Now I want to go into okay, sizzling steak. Uh he said, uh, or she, I don't know, I don't know who you what gender. Uh Dr. Alem Muhammad is making a lot of noise against Farrakhan lately. Does the host know why? I don't know why. I don't know why. Do you?

SPEAKER_00: 24:12

Absolutely not. Uh, due to the fact that I have been away from Minister Farrakhan's organization for what, since 1996? I don't really know the ins and outs of what's going on over there. I will tell you this, it surprises me that someone would say that that's what he's doing, especially since the noise he allegedly is making is being made on podcasts that are hosted by those that are close in their connection to Minister Farrakhan. So I don't know how that I don't know how that goes.

SPEAKER_02: 25:03

And if Farrakhan is up there in age now, right? Isn't he like creeping up on 90?

SPEAKER_00: 25:10

No, he has crept past 90. He's past 90 now. Wow, I believe he was born in 1933. Okay, so he would be 92 right now.

SPEAKER_02: 25:22

Wow, wow, okay, okay. All right, so let's go into the next one: spiritual versus political message, yes, sir. Some view this, some view the book as spiritual guidance, others as a political blueprint. Okay, which do you see it as, or is it both?

SPEAKER_00: 25:49

Good question, but you just answered it. Our spiritual guidance is that we become a political entity, so it's both spiritual and political. The nation of Islam aims at making us a polity, meaning a political entity, a nation, an independent nation. Now, the spiritual aspect of that guidance, we don't want you smoking black and miles in the nation that we are going to set up. You leave that garbage over here. We don't want you smoking blunts and you understand Lucy's in the nation that we are going to establish, you leave that mess here. We don't want you smoking newports in this new nation that is going to be established. We don't want you sniffing no coke, we don't want you smoking no dope. You understand what I'm saying? We don't want you running around, and because some sister is not covered in three-fourths, and her backside and her thighs are getting you excited, and maybe she's got watermelons instead of June apples on top of her stomach. We don't want you feeling like yo, baby, your baby, let me holler at you. We're not interested in that stupidity and foolishness. Get married, be responsible, have a family, all this fornication and adultery. Where my dude over here got a woman and she looked pretty good, and I caught her eyeing me a little bit, so you know, when dude ain't looking, let me do, you know. I mean, no, no adultery, no cheating, no, no player, player from the Himalayas, none of that kind of stuff, righteousness, no lying, no cheating, no stealing, no fornication, no adultery, no murder. We don't want you drug trafficking, we don't want you weapons running, we don't want you gang banging, we don't want none of that foolishness that we engage in here in America. We want a righteously Islamic society, that's what we want. We what in the world are we gonna leave America and set up a nation that's just like America? Why don't we just stay where we are?

SPEAKER_02: 28:37

Right, that makes sense, right? Indeed, indeed, indeed. So now um criticism and misunderstanding. The book has often missed the the book has uh the book has often been misinterpreted or criticized. What do people most misunderstand about Elijah Muhammad's message, and how do you clarify that?

SPEAKER_00: 29:05

I don't think anybody misunderstands the most honorable Elijah Muhammad's message. I think that because the message itself can't be attacked, not intelligently, not accurately. I mean, you can't scientifically or mathematically attack what the most honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us from Master Farad Muhammad. So you have to attack the person, you have to attack Master Farad Muhammad. He's not really a guy named Farad Muhammad, he's some white man named Wallace Dodge Ford, and he came over here and he joined maybe Garvey's movement, he joined Noble Drew Ali's movement, and then he stole from the two of them and created a movement, and uh, you know, and he lied to us, he went to the library. And Congressional Library in Washington and got an almanac and created some actual facts and all of this foolishness that's I you're attacking Master Farad Muhammad. You can't attack what he taught. So you attack him, you attack the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. He was a dirty old man messing around with his teenage secretaries. And when Malcolm busted him with his trousers uh beneath his waist, he put out an order to kill Malcolm. And then Malcolm ended up being killed, and you know, so he's covering up his extracurricular activities. So you attack the man, you can't attack the teaching. Anytime you attack the teaching, as long as you're dealing with someone who knows the teaching, you're not going to survive that. So you attack the teachers, Farad Elijah. The teaching, I don't see how you can misinterpret it, it's too plain, it's too simple. If you're misinterpreting it, is because you are deliberately misinterpreting it, because the interpretation that is the most obvious is one that does not suit your agenda. You have an agenda, and if you just leave the teaching as it is, you can't get your agenda off, so you interpret it some other way. That's what I would say. So there's nothing about the teaching itself that to me needs to be clarified. It is the false allegations, the false accusations, the false representations of the teachers that is the biggest problem of all. Black people are the nation of Islam.

SPEAKER_02: 33:29

Correct.

unknown: 33:30

Indeed, indeed.

SPEAKER_02: 33:31

So we got another question before we finish. I think we're done with that question. We got a question from the chat. Uh Madon Kemet. Madon Kemet says, What's what our brother Eric Muhammad's disagreement against Minister Farrakhan? We I think we went over that, but I mean if you want to answer that, you can.

SPEAKER_00: 33:55

Oh, absolutely. Islam has five basic fundamental principles. One, belief in Allah and His apostle, two, belief in divine revelation and the hereafter. Three, belief in paying the poor rate and charity. Four, belief in praying at least five times per day. Five, belief in fasting, especially during the holy month of Ramadan. Now, my disagreement with Minister Louis Farrakhan is principle number one to believe in Allah and his apostle, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Now, if you write a savior's letter and you write, Dear Savior Allah, who came in the person of Master Farad Muhammad, our Savior and Deliverer, I think it says, Dear Savior Allah, our deliverer, who came in the person of Master Farad Muhammad, to whom praises are due forever, I bear witness that there is no God but thee, and that Elijah Muhammad is thy servant and apostle. If you say that the Allah is the first God who created the heavens and the earth 76 trillion years ago, you have now changed the God Allah from Master Farad Muhammad to another God. So my disagreement is first and foremost is in the gods. Master Farad Muhammad is the God. Minister Far Khan has taught that the flesh is finite, and anybody would be a fool to worship the flesh. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches, right in the message to the black man, that every God has been meat, aka flesh, bones, and blood. Every God. So we have a disagreement with respect to the God. We also have a disagreement with respect to the messenger. We're still in principle number one. Principle number one makes the apostle that we believe in along with Allah, Elijah Muhammad. You go to the restricted law. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad says, Worship no God but Allah, and then it specifies it says, the one that the messenger teaches us. Not somebody other than Farad Muhammad. The messenger didn't teach us a God other than Master Farad Muhammad. So that restricted law makes it absolutely clear who the God is that we worship, who the God is that we are supposed to believe in, and it makes it crystal clear who the messenger is. It's not Prophet Muhammad. But Elijah Muhammad is the messenger of the current supreme being, Master Farad Muhammad. Now let's go to principle number two: divine revelation. That would be the scripture of the Bible and the Holy Quran. The messenger said that he, by way of Master Farad Muhammad, is the answer to Abraham's prayer in the Quran. Minister Farrakhan has taught that Prophet Muhammad is the answer to Abraham's prayer. So now we have a difference between himself and the messenger with respect to divine revelation. The hereafter. Well, that would refer to the judgment. If we disagree on the revelation, we have to disagree on the hereafter. Because in the lessons it says, and can you reform devil? No, all the prophets have tried to reform him, devil, but were unable, right? Okay. Well, wait a minute now. Now you're seeing those who follow Minister Farnkind say of that particular degree, the prophets couldn't reform him, but God can. No, God can't. The only way they can be reformed is they have to be grafted back to original, which takes 600 years. And the lesson says instead of losing time grafting them back, we just take him off the planet. He's only one to every 11 of us. So that's the two principles. Poor rating charity, no problem. Praying at least five times per day. Like I said, we have a difference in who we pray to. And if you have a difference in who we pray to, then that necessarily makes a difference in what we pray for. Then you have fasting. To believe in fasting, especially during the holy month of Ramadan. Well, does that mean that we pray in the ninth month of the hijri calendar? Absolutely not. The messenger clarifies how we are to practice principle number five by saying, Listen, for quite a few years now, I have prescribed for my followers to fast in December instead of Ramadan. And then he gives us the reason. Minister Farkan has taken his followers into Ramadan and away from December. So it is the five broad principles of Islam. If I start nitpicking and fault finding on various bits, pieces, jots, and tittles of things, you could say you just hating. But if I stick to the broad principles of Islam and show how we have issues with the very principles of Islam, then you can't make it personal. If you're an Eric Muhammad hater, you'll do it anyway. But you can't accurately do it because I'm dealing with the principles of Islam and not the personality of Farrakhan.

SPEAKER_02: 41:29

Jack, got you now. Uh moving on to the next question: Unity and division. The book stresses unity among black people, but we often see division. How can Elijah Muhammad's teachings uh practically help us overcome that?

SPEAKER_00: 41:52

Elijah Muhammad's teachings absolutely cannot and will not help us overcome that. We now we're back into the scientists and the scriptures that they wrote. It is very, very clear that mere teachings alone will not unite us. We are going to have to be beaten, punished, and chastised into unity. Man, that's what it looks like, brother. Oh man. You gotta point all of us that are divided towards each other, get a 13 and a half. And I don't need to tell you what you need to do to it. But when you put that 13 and a half where it needs to be, since we'll all be facing each other, it'll drive us to each other. We so hard headed, it might take an 18 and a half.

SPEAKER_02: 42:51

Check. All right, the eighth, uh, I was gonna say eighth degree. The the seventh uh question, pardon me. Youth in next generation. If young black men read this book today, what should they focus on first?

SPEAKER_00: 43:08

Training. Because after reading, it becomes necessary to practically apply what we have read. So when you read the book, you need to get yourself up under a lieutenant who has been given orders by a captain, so that that lieutenant can teach and train you into the practical application of the supreme wisdom and knowledge that you've just acquired.

SPEAKER_02: 43:51

That's a good, that's a good one right there. For sure. That is needed badly everywhere.

SPEAKER_00: 43:58

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02: 44:01

Every school of thought or nation. Um, I I don't know. I don't want to, you know what? I was gonna get political, I'm not gonna do that. I'm trying, I'm trying to keep it, you know. Let's go straight. Um, so now um cultural survival. Elijah Muhammad warned about assimilation, warned, warned about assimilation. How do black people protect identity and culture while still navigating the modern world with extreme difficulty?

SPEAKER_00: 44:39

But that's when you know forming independent institutions comes in. See, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad from Master Farad Muhammad, he didn't just come to black people with a teaching, but he came to black people with a program, and the program can be found on the back page of whatever publication, except one. The final call. You have to open the back page and look on the inside. I don't care what your leader says, I care what the leader says. The leader put it on the back page, your leader put it inside the back page. I'm sticking with the leader, not your leader. All right, the program says we're gonna deal with just one institution. We want equal education, but separate schools. Up to 16 for boys and eighteen for girls, on the condition that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. The messenger goes on further to say we want all black children educated, taught, and trained by their own teachers, right? So that separates us as opposed to assimilating us with respect to education. And since the messenger teaches us that education civilizes us, if we separate with respect to education, that prepares us to bring into existence a separate civilization, and that's how you keep culture and whatever else you just said, you know, from being compromised. We do everything separate. Listen, culture and identity, culture and identity with respect to identity. That same program says we believe that the time in history has come for the separation of the blacks from the whites of this nation, and we believe that our people should go in the names of their own people, as opposed to the names of our slave master, which identify us as the slave of our slave master. We should go in our own names. So, identity gotta go in our own names. That's that registration that I talked about earlier and culture. Again, we have a brand new educational system. From that educational system comes the civilization, aka culture that is going to be separate as opposed to being compromised. So that's how you're protected. We need to, you know, Marcus Garvey said, okay, black men, where are your ships that ply the high seas carrying your merchandise to the nations of the earth? You know, where are our schools? Where I'm not saying he said that also, but I'm just saying, where are our schools? Where where's our transportation system? Where's our education system? Where's our economic system? Where's our political system? See, everything that the white man has, we were taught by the messenger, we can't be equal with the white man until we also have what the white man has. We got to have everything the white man has, and then we're equal.

SPEAKER_02: 48:37

Right, for sure. Guaranteed. Now, uh, a personal application for someone watching this series uh who hasn't read the book yet. What is one what is the one action they should take immediately that reflects Elijah Muhammad's guidance?

SPEAKER_00: 48:57

Registration with their nation. Registration with their nation. Message to the black man is not a book that was written for us to just feel, okay, good, it's good to know this. Man, it was a good book. Yeah, thanks. Woo. That's not that's not what message to the black man is all about. Message to the black man was published to help prepare its reader to be a citizen of their own nation. That's what it's for. All the books are for that. Everything the messenger gave us is designed for that.

SPEAKER_02: 49:46

Gotcha. Now, final word, the tenth question. Um, just to let everybody know, I don't know if I said this in the beginning, maybe I did, uh, but this is the last one on Message to the Black Man. We're gonna move on to other books because I'm realizing there are so many books. So um, final word, what would Elijah Mohammed want us to remember most from Message to the Black Man if he were alive and speaking to us today?

SPEAKER_00: 50:21

Well, I'm almost sorry that you said from message to the black man, but I'm only almost sorry because I don't need really to not use message to the black man. I want everybody to keep in mind message to the black man is like saying Muhammad speaks. Now, this is what I mean when I say it's like Muhammad speaks. When you say Muhammad speaks, many of us, even the Muslims, are so narrow-minded that Muhammad Speaks means a newspaper that was published in 1961. Muhammad Speaks already existed before 1961, and it was pushed as a program before the Nation of Islam had its own newspaper. The reason FOI took the Pittsburgh Courier and three other Negro newspapers went in the street and sold them like they were Muhammad Speaks newspapers, is because Mohammed Speaks was not a newspaper, it was an article, and in those publications was carried the messenger's article, which was called Mr. Muhammad Speaks. Now, during the Nation of Islam growth and development in the United States, Muhammad Speaks was also a radio program. The various radio spots that he had all around the country were called it was the Muhammad Speaks radio broadcast. And it was so important that if your temple allowed through not paying what was needed to be paid, if you didn't keep that radio program on the air, you weren't gonna stay the minister. Whether it's a radio program, it doesn't matter. Now, message to the black man is similar to that in you can't say message to the black man is one book. What is our savior has arrived? Our savior has arrived, is a message to the black man from our savior, master farad muhammad, through his messenger, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, the fall of America. The fall of America is a message to us from Master Farad Muhammad through the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. How to eat to live is a message from God in person through his messenger of how we should eat in order to live. Supreme Wisdom, book one and two. Those two books carry the message in totality, which comprises nutrition, diet, and nutrition, the fall of America, the arrival of our savior, you name it. So message to the black man is all encompassing. Now, so when you say what's the most important thing to remember, I'll take that right from Master Farad Muhammad. Since the way you framed the question is now that he's no longer alive, the messenger said in theology of time, which is part of the message to the black man, the messenger said, You must remember. The messenger said, You must remember that it was not Jehovah who destroyed Pharaoh. He made Moses to do it. Therefore, if Master Farad Muhammad is the Jehovah of the Book, and the most honorable Elijah Muhammad is the Moses of the book. Master Farad Muhammad, the Jehovah, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, the Moses, he ain't dead. The Holy Quran talks about him being made to appear as dead. The book of Revelation, principle number two, says the Lamb of God is the right hand of God, and that he would be used by God to bring about the destruction of the chief enemy of God. That's the thing that I would say that is most important to remember. And I'm only saying it because he said you must remember.

SPEAKER_02: 56:22

On that note, if you want to share anything else, let us know uh where to find you if anyone wants to uh join the temple or or contact you. Uh, if you want to let them know, you know, you could, you know, yes, say that now.

SPEAKER_00: 56:39

Our YouTube channel now is Minister Eric Muhammad. It used to be Muhammad's Temple 15, but they took it down. We had another one that was NOI Temple, but they took it down. NOI Temple 15, but they took it down. That's our email address, NOI Temple15 at Aol.com. So our YouTube channel is minister Eric Muhammad. The whole word minister, Eric and Muhammad spelled out. That's where our YouTube channel is, and our YouTube channel, if you click on the about, it'll bring down all of the information that we're talking about. But you can follow us on uh X, you can follow us on Facebook, and we don't have much of an Instagram. I just don't have the personality to be taking a bunch of pictures and say, hey guys, look at my pictures. I'm not into that, I'm too old for that.

SPEAKER_02: 57:53

Got you, got you. Thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you, brother Eric Muhammad. We will build on the next uh the next podcast that we will do. And on that note, peace to everybody in the chat. I really appreciate y'all. We got another podcast coming up in two minutes, is a pre-recorded. It's a rapper by the name of oh my god, uh Lady Luck. Lady Luck is a pre-recorded. Mike did that podcast like a week or so ago. Check it out. This is the first time it's premiering, and we are out of here. Peace.