The New Nation Of Islam - Son Of Man

A bold claim walked into our studio and asked to be heard: a guest who identifies as “Son of Man,” asserting the authority to interpret scripture and to judge. We welcomed the story before the stakes. He takes us from Mississippi to Watts, from Church of God in Christ routines to a nineteenth birthday in Vietnam, and from door-to-door sales to Muhammad’s Temple in Los Angeles. That journey sets the stage for a deeper conflict—what counts as proof when someone claims spiritual office?

We press on the core question: if you are who you say you are, can you show and prove it within the Nation of Islam’s own framework—Supreme Wisdom, Message to the Black Man, Our Saviour Has Arrived? He answers with Bible and Qur’an, arguing that the covenant of scripture is the ultimate verification, and that Elijah Muhammad’s mission was to awaken the one who would interpret. We challenge that approach, asking for citations from the Messenger’s teachings themselves. The gap between his standard of evidence (cross-scriptural coherence) and ours (lineage and lesson-specific proof) becomes the heartbeat of the episode.

What follows is candid and tense. Attempts to play archival audio stumble on technical issues. Definitions multiply; patience thins. He maintains that the “best knower” is singular—the head that orders the body—and that authority flows from mastery of revelation across texts. We counter that if a claim is anchored in NOI lineage, it should be demonstrated through NOI lessons. No easy resolution arrives. Instead, you’ll hear a live stress test of religious authority, identity, and verification that cuts to the center of Black religious thought, Islamic studies, and the politics of proof. Listen closely, decide for yourself, and tell us: whose standard makes sense to you?

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Chapters

• 0:11 Opening, Guest Intro, Housekeeping
• 2:04 Early Life in Watts and Vietnam
• 5:22 Church Upbringing and Moral Friction
• 9:20 Sales Career and First Visit to the Temple
• 12:45 NOI Teachings and Theological Claims
• 16:40 Debating “Who Is God?” and Authority
• 21:00 FOI Process, The “X,” and Identity
• 25:03 Succession After Elijah Muhammad’s Passing
• 29:07 Host Challenges: Bible vs. Messenger’s Teachings
• 33:10 The “Son of Man” Claim Intensifies
• 37:05 Attempts to Play Audio; Technical Issues
• 41:10 Standoff on Scriptural Proof
• 45:20 Escalation, Muting, and Miscommunication
• 49:12 Closing Remarks and Proposal to Revisit via Bible

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

What's going on out there, everybody? It's Ron Brown, LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, aka Stone Brother, number one, reporting for duty. And tonight we have a special guest, a brother by the name of Son of Man from the New Nation of Islam. How are you doing, brother?

SPEAKER_01: 0:33

I'm okay.

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

How you doing, brother? Life is good, doing my duty as I'm supposed to do. And uh I'm I'm I'm just doing it through the internet right now. You know what I mean? So uh and I've been enjoying myself. I've been meeting a lot of different people, great people, um, beautiful people, my people, and uh I'm just happy to be here. I'm happy to do this. You know, uh before we go into it, I would like to let everyone know. We uh don't forget to like, comment, share, subscribe. We have super chats. We're trying to build this platform. Before we weren't really uh putting that out there because we're kind of like modest type of people, we're kind of humble people, we don't like to like beg for money. However, uh, you know, money keeps keeps keeps the podcast bills paid. So uh we have super chat. We also have uh Cash App, NYP Talk Show, Cash App, Dollar Sign NYP Talk Show, Cash App. And that's all I want to say right now. So to go back and uh with no further ado, uh, brother son of man, you're doing well this evening, right? Uh say that again. You how are you doing this evening?

SPEAKER_01: 1:48

Oh, I'm doing pretty good, and uh praise be to Allah. And I'm uh thankful that uh we uh were able to be in contact with each other for this interview, and uh I look forward to it.

SPEAKER_00: 2:04

All right, brother son of man. Um, first off, I want to start off. Where are you from? Birthplace.

SPEAKER_01: 2:12

I was born in Mississippi. I was born in Leland, Mississippi, but I didn't grow up here. I uh was three when my parents moved to California, to LA. And uh I grew up in Watts, and I went to elementary school at 96th Street Elementary, Markham Junior High School, and Jordan High School. And from there I went into the Marine Corps. And after three years in there, I had my 19th birthday in Vietnam. And uh after I got back in Vietnam, I was a pretty different uh person.

SPEAKER_00: 2:56

Uh okay. Let's let's let's let's rewind. So now you grew up in Watts. Yes, sir. And that time, what year, what what uh decade was that?

SPEAKER_01: 3:10

Well, um, I was born in 1950. Okay. So uh, you know, you can do the math on that five years old in 1955. I was in elementary school. Uh then um I was uh got to junior high school when I was around 12. And so that that put me in high school when I was about 13.

SPEAKER_00: 3:39

And uh so uh graduated when I was 17. Gotcha. So at that time in Watts, what was the sociopolitical climate there?

SPEAKER_01: 3:52

Well, actually, the it the all of the happenings that was really happening uh socially and politically wasn't actually going on in Watts until the riots when Mr. Deadweiler got uh shot and uh then it erupted. But before that, it was mostly everybody was looking at what was happening down south. And me for one, I was trying to figure out why these people was trying to go in a place and let somebody feed them that hated them. I I I I just couldn't see that. I don't want you to give me a drink of water if you hate me. Just leave me alone. I ain't going in there. I I couldn't never join that that movement because I thought that was a foolish act.

SPEAKER_04: 4:42

But I conference recording started.

SPEAKER_01: 4:46

I thought that was a uh kind of foolish act, and uh I couldn't I couldn't do that. Right, and and let somebody hit me, by the way. I I couldn't do that, right? You know, actual fact turns on cheek. I can I uh uh you hit me, I gotta fight back for that.

SPEAKER_00: 5:04

Actual fact for sure. So so now you go into the Marine Corps, right? Yes, sir. Marine Corps, Vietnam, what was that experience like? Like what did you see during that during that time?

SPEAKER_01: 5:22

Oh uh well one thing, I was I was uh uh infantry weapons repairman. That was my MOS 2111. And um I saw mostly, you know, what nobody it was a whole lot of black you know black men over there. It was like being back on the block, really. And um we um I saw bodies laid out you know, they had every day they would, you know, do a body count. You know, to see human beings laid out like like uh dead animals or something, you think it don't affect you. And at the time, I didn't think it affected me, but it it it does affect you. You can't look at a uh a human being the same way you look at an animal and not uh not feel anything, but it comes back on you later you see, and so you know I just uh I just hate war. I hate killing. I hate even the idea of killing somebody, it it it's repulsive.

SPEAKER_00: 6:47

Right now, I wanna I wanna rewind a little bit. So uh in in in your in your household, did you grow up in like a like a Baptist household, Pentecostal household?

SPEAKER_01: 6:59

Church of God in Christ. Church of God in Christ. Yes, that was my mother. Uh she it wasn't it wasn't called holiness or none of that, just the church of God in Christ. And it included vacation bible school, YP, WW, young people, willing workers, uh, choir rehearsals, and you know, just my mother's whole life was she told me after after she got pregnant with me. Now I had 10, it was 10 of us. I was my mother's ninth child. And uh my mother and dad's ninth child, excuse me. But anyway, they one of my sisters died when she was a baby before I was born. She died of pneumonia while we was still living here in Mississippi. And um, so I I I had a whole history of nothing but Bible training. I used to have to go to bake vacation Bible school, and I hated it. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't want to be. All the brothers that I was going to school with, they was uh in the summertime, they was doing other things, and I had to go to vacation Bible school. So you know how youngsters are. And I ain't gonna stand up here and try to tell you I've been a model child all my life because I have not. I did I did things that to this day I'm ashamed of. But the the fact of the matter is I grew up with the Bible. And even when I got old enough to leave the church, Brother Brian, I left. You know, I you know, my mother didn't, she couldn't make me go once I was a teenager. I just like to say, I ain't uh I don't go down there. I got me a job and started working and buying me some clothes and things that they couldn't afford to get me. And um the thing is, every time I tried to do the things that other youngsters was doing, like I'd go to parties and all of that kind of thing. I couldn't dance because I didn't I didn't grow up in dancing, and so you know, every little now and then I could learn something simple, like the mashed potatoes or the twist. Well, you gotta do up in the middle of the set of anymore, but I couldn't ballroom and all that kind of stuff, right? And I could slow drag, and that was about it. And um, so I I was at I was in these places and parties and stuff, and uh and everybody be making a big deal out of it, and I'd be looking at it like that song by Pinky Lee, I think it was uh Pinky Lee, where it says, Is this all there is to a party? This all there is to this, and uh come to find out it just wasn't me. And if I tried to do it, some Bible verse would jump into my head and take all the fun out of it because now I know I'm doing doing something that I ain't got no business. So I was just miserable. I was living in the world that I didn't fit in. Right. And that was that was my lot in life. I didn't care nothing about even money. I I I've worked all my life. Uh if I'm rambling, just stop me, brother.

SPEAKER_00: 10:22

No, no, no. I want people to know your, I want people to know your history and who the who the person is. So yeah, let's keep building.

SPEAKER_01: 10:30

Well, well, I didn't uh you know, money didn't even excite me. I I just still don't. I just, you know, I've always been able to work and get me some money. And I could I bought my own school clothes after I got about the eighth grade. I was buying my own school clothes from that point on. And uh my shoes, I could get whatever kind of shoes I wanted when I started buying. And uh I was working with some old men, and you know, I've been old all my life. My daddy was 50 when I was born. So um, you know, I I enjoyed talking to old men, and uh they they taught me a lot, and I couldn't hardly relate to people my age because the interests that most young men had didn't interest me. I mean, I just I'd go along with it just to get along and have somebody to call friends, but it it I didn't like to get high. I tried smoking dope, I tried smoking some weed, and I didn't like the way it made me feel. I I like my mind to be sharp, yeah, clear of where I'm at. So I and when when when I'm sitting there and you somebody brought up a subject, and and then I'd be sitting there for the longest after a while thinking about what they said in the conversation and left that, and I'm still thinking about that. And then they said, Man, you tripping. I said, Well, you ain't gonna have to worry about that no more, because when I when I do come down over this, I ain't gonna do that no more.

SPEAKER_00: 12:11

Yeah, right. So now, so now you you were a teenager around the 60s and things like that, right? So like like when when all the like the civil rights movement was going on, uh um and and and and and Malcolm was around and and and and all these things, these things were happening. Um, and so were you inspired, so you had the church upbringing, right? So I could see how that that molded and shaped you to be who you are today and also the marine corps, right? But what was going on in the in the social climate, did that impact you at any point?

SPEAKER_01: 12:50

Well, uh when when I like I said, when I saw the the the Martin Luther King and all of them getting getting fire hoses and stuff turned on and dogs sticked on, I didn't I didn't it didn't make me so much as mad at the people who was doing that to them, but mad at them for taking it and mad at them for wanting to go go beat. I mean, why go trying to force your way to somebody that don't want you? Right. And that didn't make no sense to me. And um, because my mother, uh you know, and my dad, they they never they didn't never teach me. If I was over in somebody else's yard and and uh fighting, all of my friends' fathers and my father, if I was over in somebody else's yard, he said, Yeah, I'll tell you what, you go home. You don't stay over in somebody else's yard fighting with him. And and so um, so I wasn't raised to be uh nobody's rug. Right. And and and I and my daddy, he he was he was a he didn't go to church, but he made me go, he made all of us go because my mother was uh with that. He'd drop us off and come back and pick us up. But uh, you know, he wasn't he wasn't the type of man that you could teach him to let somebody beat up on him and he and he turned the other cheek. He wasn't gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00: 14:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 14:26

Now I'd never do it. And so so I uh that that with Malcolm, I never really heard Malcolm. Now that's hard to believe growing up in Watts, but my my parents weren't weren't militant as as we notice militancy in this day and time. Or in that time. My you know, I used to say to people, you know, if you start talking about white folks to me, I tell them, uh, look, if you cut the white man, his blood is red, just like mine. So I don't want to hear that. And after I accepted the teachings of Islam, I shot my own argument down. Um after I really realized that the honorable Elijah Muhammad, based on the scriptures, I believed that the honorable Elijah Muhammad was the messenger of God. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 15:27

Now, before we get now, before we go there, before we get there, now I just want to follow a timeline. So we went from when you were a baby to the Marine Corps. And now, how did you get into the messenger's teachings?

SPEAKER_01: 15:45

I met this Muslim brother. I was uh, you know, I I don't hell some jobs, but mostly selling. I mean, I I worked for Winter Business School when I was living in Compton with some friends of mine, and I got a job working for Winter Business School, convincing people to come to Winter Business School, and I would get paid for every student I'd get to come in. And I made pretty good money going there. And I was always a good uh uh good salesperson because I I like talking to people and I like talking, and so uh uh I went from that to selling vacuum cleaners, the Kirby vacuum cleaner.

SPEAKER_00: 16:33

Uh, that's old school right there.

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

Yeah, brother. Uh and uh this brother, when I first came to the company uh uh that uh was a Kirby representative, it was a brother named Donald. He was getting a award for being top salesman that that uh week. And I think his his check back then was about 400 and 400 and something five hundred and something dollars for a week, man. Now this was back when gas was what 50 something cent a gallon and whatnot that, you know. I mean, dollars was worth dollars back then. But anyway, so I saw uh him getting that award, and I was new in the company, so the first thing I said, well, I want to go out with him. So they put they put me with him. And um, so me and him, we became tight, you know. He was a uh first I thought he was ex-military because of the way his hair was cut and everything. You know, everybody was wearing naturals, he walked around there with a with a uh fade, you know, you know, uh tapered haircut, like they was in the military. And um, so I didn't I didn't say nothing. I was I had a natural and uh so brother Donald he talked to me and from time to time we we go to housing together and whatnot. And uh I I started making 400 something a week myself, uh because you know it didn't take much teaching to get me to be able to sell the vacuum. The vacuum sold itself, really. Kirby is a good vacuum cleaner, even to this day, I think Kirby is a good vacuum cleaner. And uh so Brother Donald one evening uh after we had become friends, he uh uh said, Hey man, why don't you come go to the temple with me? I said the temple and they yeah, and he took me to Muhammad's temple on 56 and Broadway in Los Angeles. And uh I got in there and saw this blackboard up there, put that blackboard up. I saw this blackboard up there that had the American flag on one side and the Islamic flag on the other, the star and Christian. And it said, which one will survive the war of Armageddon? And then it had Christianity, slavery, suffering, and death, which is what we received under Christianity, but the flag of Islam had under freedom, justice, and equality, and it made sense to me. And so the honorable Elijah Muhammad, um, when he said the white man is the devil, and I thought about uh a lot of things that I had seen, uh, especially when I was over and now, um and hearing white people call each other devils. Well, white people started calling themselves devils a long time before we did, you know. Well, speak to the devil, he was saying, well, I mean, and we he we right there listening to him and wasn't paying no attention, and so uh I started taking it seriously, and uh I got a message to the black man where he not only taught me that the black man is God, which I didn't accept at at first, because you know I'm not the kind of person who just says something because I heard somebody else say it. If I don't understand what you're saying, I I I can't say that. But I didn't call it a lie, and um so the white man is the devil, black man is God, and uh I didn't I understood it that it meant all black men is God. That's what I understood. Uh and uh you know, which wasn't what he was saying, but that's what I understood it to me.

SPEAKER_00: 20:58

Okay, let me I wanna I wanna I don't mean to interrupt you. So you I uh we'll we should unpack that right there. Let's I want to go back into that there where you said not every black man is God, right? Um however, in the in uh supreme wisdom, student enrollment, the first question to answer, who is the original man? The original man is the Asiatic black man, the maker, the owner, creamer, the planet earth, father of civilization, and god of the universe. So if every black man is not God, how do you explain that?

SPEAKER_01: 21:37

Well, the same way I shot down that uh that that thing about that I used to say that if you cut a white man, his blood is red. You cut any black, any yellow, brown, or black man, all of our blood is red. Well, the way I shot that down was if you cut a dog, his blood is red too. Is he your blood brother? You cut a pig, his blood is red. You cut a horse. So red blood don't make you brothers. So uh likewise, when when uh the first uh the first thing is that uh you ask a person how many gods is it? And everybody that that uh has any religious uh teaching from a from monotheist monotheism, they tell you it ain't but one God. Well then how can you claim that all of us is God? No, all of us is not God.

SPEAKER_00: 22:45

I can refute that. I can refute that because we're one people, we're we're one people, we're one, we're one man.

SPEAKER_01: 22:56

That don't work either because if you say that it's one people, then your body, listen, your body is one body, but your body ain't all you, only the head is you. Take away the brain, take away the mind, and the body is in a permanent vegetative state. See, there is no there is no uh uh uh one uh uh person that has two heads. All bodies come with their own head. The head, the scripture says the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God, you see, and so that's why all of the prophets they they told you about the coming of God, they they told you about the coming of the Lord. If everybody is the Lord, then they ain't no Lord.

SPEAKER_00: 24:12

Yeah, that's that's not that's not the way the scripture is written. I don't mean to cut you off. So so basically you're saying one who is elevated into what you will what some would say the God consciousness or Christ consciousness, that would be the God. Is that what which is?

SPEAKER_01: 24:28

The best nor the one who who is the head of Christ is the one who can explain what Moses had to say and prove that the explanation is true, the one that can explain what Solomon said and prove that the explanation is true, the one that can speak the words of the messengers of God and not only quote them and know what they said, but understand what is meant and know why it was said, and that's the one that they say is the Lord of Lords. For all of the messengers of God were lords, they were the lord of the people that they went to. Your head is the lord of your body, but when you when you meet the supreme being, the supreme being is the head of all heads, is the best knower, and that is what the Holy Quran says. It says, I Allah am the best knower. But I'm the best knower. You have many people that know how to make money, but the same people that know how to make money don't necessarily know how best to use it. The best knower knows how best to use what is known by not only themselves, but what is known by others. That's why the scripture referred to the best knower as the wonderful counselor in Isaiah. You see?

SPEAKER_00: 26:14

Go ahead. Yeah, no, I I I can see that. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I get it, I totally get it. Now, I I want to go into so now you you you meet this brother um and he you know salesman selling uh Kirby's, and then uh you he he gives you the messenger's teachings under what what uh um leadership at the time?

SPEAKER_01: 26:40

Under the under the honorable Elijah Muhammad. Okay. See, I was in the nation when the messenger was here. Okay, wasn't in the nation after he passed. No, he had to prepare the way for me. I was dead spiritually. I didn't understand, I knew the Bible, but I didn't understand a word of it. The honorable Elijah Muhammad, his mission was to bring me the message that would awaken me to righteousness. That's what the Bible is. The Bible is instruction in righteousness. That's in 2 Timothy, the third chapter, and around the 16th verse. It says, all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. So the honorable Elijah Muhammad, he had to awaken the instructor, and that instructor is the son of man, and the son of man is me.

SPEAKER_00: 27:55

But I was I had to be awakened. Okay, so the son of son of man would be you in particular, yes, sir. And only you, is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01: 28:06

Only me. Master Farad Muhammad, he was the son of man for the past six thousand years. That's why the the he had to come and send Elijah, like he promised. See, many people they heard the teachings of the messenger, but they didn't accept his teachings because they somehow want to discard Yaqub as God. And Yaqub has been the God for the past six thousand years. It was Yaqub who who made the devil and gave them dominion, and it was Yaqub who told the devils that you got six thousand years, six days to do all your work. After the devil was made by Yaqub, Yaqub, um, and when I say Yaqub, I'm not just talking about the physical flesh of the man because he never saw a white man. But he brought the wisdom that would rule in the white man and the brown and yellow, and even in us for six thousand years.

SPEAKER_00: 29:19

Okay, and so real quick, I don't I don't mean to cut you off, but but I have I have to I have to have to interject. So you got the teachings under the messenger, okay. Did you become of course you became a part of FOI? I'm assuming. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 29:39

Yes, I oh uh they ask you at the end of the meeting how many of you believe that you've what you've heard is the truth? And I raised my hand along with a few others, and it says, and how many of you believe that this truth is good for our people? I raise my hand again. How many of you would like to help the honorable Elijah Muhammad get this truth to our people? Stand up. I stood up. And uh then it was just a matter of them taking you and telling you you're gonna you taking the first step that you're gonna have to write a letter. And they gave us the letter and told us to copy the letter verbatim. And uh it would be sent to Chicago and uh the letter was addressed to Mr. W. F. Mohammed. Just a moment, I'll give you the letter was addressed, Mr. W. F. Mohammed, 4847 South Woodlawn Avenue, Chicago, Illinois, 60615. Now everybody that got an X in the nation wrote this letter. You didn't get an X without writing this letter, and it says, Dear Savior Allah, our deliverer, who came in the person of Master Harad Muhammad, the to whom praises are due forever. I believe in the religion of Islam as taught by thy servant Elijah Muhammad. I bear witness that Muhammad is thy servant and apostle, and I desire to reclaim my own. I desire a name from thee. And my slave name is as follows, and then you signed it uh with your slave name, and then it went, you sent it to Chicago, you turned it into the temple, and they sent it off, and you waited for a response. I had to write mine twice because I didn't I didn't write it in the same handwriting that I saw on the paper. And uh so it was rejected, and I had to write it again. So I wrote it again and uh then this time I was accepted and uh they gave me an X, and it was uh Brother Marvin AX. And uh just like the X's, many of us we we uh were we thought that the X meant just X and out your your last name or slave name as we called it. But that wasn't the reason he gave us all an X. That was the reason that he let us accept. But there was another hidden reason. You see, the woman carries the ex chromosome. All of our all of us got here uh because we came from an ex. And then when the when the the life germ came into us, then it was determined if one made it in, then it determined whether you would be a male child or a woman child or a man child, right?

SPEAKER_00: 33:21

Which the man carries the X and Y. So so now I wanted to talk about okay, so you get you you you get you you go into the uh FOI. How long were you a part of the nation of Islam, FOI, under uh minister, uh under the messenger, and when he passed on, what did you do after?

SPEAKER_01: 33:51

Well, when he when they told us that he had passed, it was at Savior's Day 1975. I wasn't at that one. I didn't go to that one in Chicago, but I did go to the uh I think it was the Shrine Auditorium in LA and saw it on closed circuit. And you know, they had uh they was there with some of W.D. Muhammad was now taking the honorable Elijah Muhammad's place, which is impossible, because you cannot take the place of a messenger of God, and he can't put you in his place because he didn't put himself in that place. And so they was all standing up there telling other than the truth, and uh that somehow the messenger approved of WD Muhammad taking his place. But if you heard the messenger's teachings in the theology of time, he said when he was asked the question, had he chose a successor? He said, I don't do that, he said, I did not choose myself. He said, uh, I don't see nothing that a successor would do because I bring you face to face with God and the devil. And uh say so, but if there's to be a successor, Allah will choose him as he chose me. And another place he said, ain't nobody coming behind him. He said, Nobody coming behind me but God, I better tell you that. And so they knew that, and then most of them had been in the nation way longer than me, you know. But um uh Ron, I have never been the kind of person that tell you I believe something if I didn't believe it. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 35:47

When I said I believe, go go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 35:50

Pardon me, well, I mean to cut your wisdom. So now, so after after you know, uh uh uh uh the message of past form, um Baris Dean Muhammad was supposed to be the successor, right? You you didn't agree with that, so after not so now, so after not agreeing with that, where did you go from that point?

SPEAKER_01: 36:16

Uh well I went back into studying the messenger's teachings to make sure I wasn't missing nothing, and I picked up the Bible, like he said, uh in the books he gave away in 1974. He gave away our savior has arrived, and he gave he gave everybody um the flag, the little book on the flag, and he and he gave had part one and part two of the divine sayings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad. And in the divine sayings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad, it's kind of like the hadith of Prophet Muhammad, where the messenger said, If you want to talk to Allah, read the Quran. And when he said read the Quran, that meant read the Bible too, because the Quran is a reminder of the Bible, of what's in the Bible. And so I picked up the scriptures, and you know, I was very disgruntled, brother. I was I was feeling lost because I was witnessing people who had said that they believed in the messenger, all of a sudden saying that he didn't teach true Islam, and saying that uh he was not really a messenger, and all of that kind of thing. And so, I mean, and these were people that I used to call brother, and we soldiered out there together. We we sold Muhammad speaks together, we stood shoulder to shoulder with each other and in the FOI class and all of that, and now all of a sudden they treat the messenger's teachings like it was a false, and so I was I was pretty hurt, but I picked up the Bible and I was shocked because for the first time in my life I was understanding what I was reading, then I knew what he had did for me, and so I started studying like the Bible told me. The Bible says, and that from a child hast thou known the holy scriptures that is able to make thee wise unto salvation. And so the messenger told me, he said, I'm here to put your mind back into the scriptures so that you can find the truth that I'm teaching. And so the more I read the scripture, the more I understood who he was, who Master Farad Muhammad was, and who I am.

SPEAKER_00: 39:04

And so I start telling people who I am. Okay, so now let me ask you this: what's the difference between Master Farad Muhammad and yourself?

SPEAKER_01: 39:12

Master Farad Muhammad, he brought the wisdom of the God. See, the the messenger told us, he said, God appeared to him in the person of Master Farad Muhammad. Yaqub was the God. That's why in the English lesson, he said, My name is W. F. Muhammad. I came to North America by myself. My uncle does not know himself. Well, when Yaqub was six years old, he looked at his uncle. Ya'qub is gone. He was the best. Hold on, hold on. Say it again one more time. Point me. When Yaqub was six years old, he was playing with two pieces of steel. One had magnetic magnetism in it and the other one didn't. And he discovered that uh he saw that the one with the magnetic magnetic power could control the one that did not have any power and no magnetism in it. And so he looked up at his uncle and he said, Uncle, when I get to be an old man, I'm going to make a people that will rule you. In the Holy Quran, uh that is said in the second chapter in the 30th verse, it does not say Yaqub, it simply says, Thy Lord. When thy Lord said to the angels, when Yaqub said to his uncle that statement, his uncle said, What will you make but something that will make mischief and cause bloodshed in the land? And he told his uncle, he said, Nevertheless, uncle, I know what you know not. And what he meant was he understand and understood some things that his uncle didn't.

SPEAKER_00: 40:58

Wait a minute. So you went from the you went from uh you went from the one to thirty one to thirty-six, right? My name is WF Muhammad. I came uh uncle was brought here. My uncle was brought here by a trader 379 years ago, right? And then what did you say after that?

SPEAKER_01: 41:14

And then he said, My uncle does not know himself, but the mere fact that he called us his uncle, that reminded me of where that came from. Okay, and who he was. As the as the messenger, he uh uh told us that Yaakoub was God. Well, God don't stop being God. Uh you know, it's like like a person thinking that Einstein, for instance, let's talk about Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein gave the physicists, uh, the scientific community, uh, that formula for splitting the atom, according to what they they tell us. If if I'm wrong, somebody can correct that. But he said E equals MC squared. And I assume the E is energy equals matter as accelerated to the speed of light multiplied times itself.

SPEAKER_00: 42:13

Right, divine got a lot, divine got a law. Yeah, I uh uh P I I I caught that. Um I caught that divine got a law. Um now um brother, so what I wanna what I wanna um what I wanna do is I wanna figure out, I want to build on how when it comes to you and WD Farad or Master Farad Muhammad, how we who because you claim to be the son of man, right? Now, once someone in the chat said uh the son of man, what is what does the son of man mean? Now I want you to answer that, and also um I want you to answer this. How did you arrive to the fact that you are the only person who is the son of man?

SPEAKER_01: 43:04

Because I'm the only person, that that's simple. I'm the only person who understands the holy scriptures. Okay, scriptures the scripture says this no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he who came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven. Okay, so the mind, the mind that's in me came from the scriptures.

SPEAKER_02: 43:30

Okay, that's why I go.

SPEAKER_00: 43:33

Brother, brother, I don't mean to cut you off. I don't I you know I don't I don't want to uh disrespect my elders at all. Part me, part me, part me. Um you came to the conclusion uh that you are the son of man, only you based on the scriptures of the Bible. I'm the only one that could come to that conclusion. You don't you don't think that you don't think that that would that you would come to that conclusion based on your root, which comes from a uh Christian background where uh it comes from this church? What's the name of this church again? The church of God in Christ, the church of God in Christ. Now, the church of God in Christ, I don't know what church that is, I've never heard of it. Is it anything like a Baptist, Pentecostal?

SPEAKER_01: 44:20

Notice you did hear me right. The church of God in Christ. That's what the name of it is. Not in Christ, not God and Christ, but God in Christ. The church of God's old church, okay, but anyway, I know I didn't get that from the church. What's in me, I got from the Bible. The church didn't offer the Bible.

SPEAKER_00: 44:44

No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that. I don't want to cut you off. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is we all are influenced by things that happen in our childhood. So, you know, we we learn our our id or our I who we are, our makeup is is basically created in like the first seven years of your life, right? And and and so um what I'm I'm thinking is that possibly, quite possibly, I'm not a psychologist, however, that you were possibly influenced greatly by that uh first part of your life where you know you were influenced more by the by the church, and then so you get into the nation of Islam, and then uh the the messenger leaves, you know, dies, and then you're pretty much out there on your own. So you have to take inspiration from what you know best, which would be your earlier life in that's Christianity, right? Or the church of Christ.

SPEAKER_01: 45:48

No, that's not that's not that's not accurate. I I had already turned down the belief that they tried to give me in the church. I never believed that a man could uh be murdered or die and save me from my sin. I ain't never believed that. I never professed a belief in that. I believed in the Bible, but I didn't believe in the understanding that they were giving us the Bible. Their understanding of it was wrong, and it's wrong to this day. And so when it's like the honorable Elijah Muhammad, his daddy was a Baptist minister, and he grew up in a Baptist uh church, but he never agreed with his dad.

SPEAKER_00: 46:34

Okay, so what so one thing, one thing I can right, my uncle can my uncle cannot talk his language or does not talk his his own language, right? Indeed, indeed, indeed. So, yeah, so so people are um uh uh basically, you know, we we're going back to the 136. I kind of don't want to do that because I'm trying to follow a uh line of questioning in my head right here. So um, so back to you, the messenger passed on, you start reading the Bible, then you get the inspiration to then call yourself the son of man. How was that verified? How was that because normally I like right now, I could call myself a a uh uh uh an MMA champion right now. I could call myself an M MA champion, however, right now I'm not an MMA champion. Like I didn't show and prove that. So so how you know how have you shown and proved that you and only you is the son of man? Now I'm not refuting that, I just want you to show and prove it.

SPEAKER_01: 47:44

I understand, I understand what you're saying. Well, like I said, when you talked about God up to now, whether you knew it or not, you talking about Yaqu. It was his wisdom that was to go six thousand years, and so likewise, when it came time for that to end, he said, Behold, this is Malachi the fourth chapter and the fifth verse. Behold, look, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Okay, if you acknowledged it, uh the I there was God Himself. Well God Himself at that particular time was Yaqu. The mind that was in Yaqu came in the person of Master Parad Muhammad. As the messenger said, if you are dealing with truth, you are dealing with Allah. And up until my arrival, the religious doctrines of this world, none of them could actually disprove the others. So Allah promised that He would raise up one that uh uh from sounding clay of black mud fashioned into shape, and he says, So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of my spirit, he ordered all the angels to make obeisance to him.

SPEAKER_00: 49:39

Okay, brother. I want to I want to I want to interject. I want to interject with you, but I want I just want to interject. So you are quoting, you're quoting a lot from the from the Bible, however, um I haven't heard you really quote the messenger's teachings, and um, and uh so that's where I'm trying to I'm trying to get from the messengers teachings. How do you basically put yourself out there as you being uh because oh it's based on me?

SPEAKER_01: 50:14

You quoted it for me at the beginning when I became a student after writing the letter. The first thing he taught me was that I am God, and since he didn't know which one of us was the original man of the new world, for the original is the first. He didn't say who was the original man, he said who is the original man. Why? Because without the original man, then there can't be no new world, there got to be a first one of the new world, and that's who he uh taught us all that we were, but he knew that was only going to register and cause a fertilization of the one who is the son of man. That's the one he had to testify. He had a message to the black man in America, not the black men, but the black man.

SPEAKER_00: 51:20

Well, when you make reference to the black man, he's to that's like basic English grammar, right? Like, so if you're talking about the black man, he's he's it's a general statement. It's more like it's more like the it because right now, like which I would which I don't want you to do, right, on my show, is it kind of like remix it remix what the teachings say. No, right, no, you so you know based on based on based on based on your own interpretation. So I hold on, brother. I just because I I let you I let you build for a long time. So I I just want to say this is with with all due respect, brother, with all due respect, with all due respect. I'm saying when he's talking about message to the black man, he's talking about black men, black men, message to the black men, men, you, black men, the one in the mirror, the man in the mirror. That's who he was talking about. When he was talking about God, he was talking about the man in the mirror. So now um from what I'm hearing, right, is that you you don't quote anything more, you know, from the uh from the message's teachings uh to to to to uh verify your stance as being the son of man.

SPEAKER_01: 52:38

Just a moment. Okay, I'll do better than that. Just a moment. Here it is. I want you to listen to the messenger here.

SPEAKER_00: 53:40

Well, before before we listen to the messenger, I want to ask this question. Um, so when it goes, why is the devil settled on the best part of the planet Earth? Right, because the earth belongs to the original man, right? So so what do you what do you think about that, like that part of that degree or lesson? So is he talking about is he talking about who is he talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 54:07

He was talking about me. He was talking about just a moment. Now you asked the question. Now let me answer the question. He was talking about me. The scripture says that the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. The scripture in the 100th chapter of Psalms, and in the that was in Matthew the 12th chapter and the 8th verse. Now, in the 100th chapter of Psalms, in the third verse, David says, Know ye, after Jesus tells you that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath day, David said, Know ye that the Lord, He is God.

SPEAKER_00: 54:54

Okay, now I'm answering your question. Okay, I'll let you go. I'll let you go, brother. Okay, Psalms 82, verse 6, right, Gods? I think it's Psalms 82 verse 6. I say ye are gods.

SPEAKER_01: 55:11

No, it says, I have said ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most high, but you shall die like men. Okay, you can go with that or like one of the princes, but you you you're getting away from the subject that um that you just asked me about. Okay, okay, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Okay, now the scripture says, Know ye that the Lord He is God, it is He that hath made us what we are, not we ourselves. All of the prophets they bore witness that the spirit of the Lord was what was upon them. They didn't claim the spirit of themselves, they claimed the spirit of the Lord. Okay, the Lord is the Son of Man. Well, the Son of Man had to be raised from the dead, according to the scripture. That's why Elijah had to come and raise the Son of Man, and then the messenger in 1974, he said, The earth belongs to you, it didn't belong to you, but now you the true owner. He said, Israel, Jacob, that's Jacob's name, Israel. Remember Jacob's name will change the Israel. He said, Israel taking it away from you. And he said, Come on, I want to give it back to you. Now, if the earth is going to be judged by the Son of Man, and that's in uh the book of John around the fifth chapter.

SPEAKER_00: 56:52

Okay, brother, I gotta cut you off because you said you said you you said it when we for before we started to to to to you know get give you as much question, give whatever, right?

SPEAKER_01: 57:03

But I didn't I didn't know you were letting me finish my answers.

SPEAKER_00: 57:07

Well, well, here's the problem though, brother. You you keep with well, you can keep quoting the Bible because that's what you're doing, and I don't mind you doing that if that's if that's how you want to verify who you are. But that's the only way I can verify. I'm just trying to figure out when are we gonna get to uh the messengers teachings because I don't I don't hear it.

SPEAKER_01: 57:27

I was about to play, I was about to play the messengers teachings, and you told me to wait.

SPEAKER_00: 57:32

Well, I thought you were gonna quote the messengers teachings.

SPEAKER_01: 57:36

Why would I quote it if he can say it?

SPEAKER_00: 57:39

Because you're the son of man.

SPEAKER_01: 57:41

Well, I'm the son of man, so I'm giving you what the messenger said in his own words.

SPEAKER_00: 57:48

I figured if you're the son of man and you know the the old knower, you you you're the best knower. Uh pardon me, brother. You you're the best knower, right? So you're the son of man, the best knower, so the best knower would know the lessons on cap. That's what I thought. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:07

If I if I do something that is not verifiable in the scripture, that would be your uh clue to say that I'm not the son of man, but everything I'm doing, it was prophesied of even by Jesus. That Jesus said, When he, the spirit of truth, is come, he would guide you into all truth. He will guide you to where you can find the truth in the scripture. He said, For he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear from us, that shall he speak. And he will show you things to come. If I had tapes of Jesus, I wouldn't have to say nothing. I could play the tape and let you hear Jesus. Okay, okay, peace, King. Now let me finish what I was answering.

SPEAKER_00: 58:57

Oh, he's Brother King. Play the tape, brother.

SPEAKER_01: 59:01

Let's play the tape. Let's let's play the tape. But wait a minute. I want to show you why I'm taking you to these things since you didn't let me go at first. Now let me you started this other subject, and I need to finish it. In the in the uh fifth chapter of the book of John, it says around the 25th and 26th verses. It says it says, For this is the two the 26th verse, and I'm gonna read the 26th and 27th verse. For as the father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the son to have life in himself, and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the son of man. Now, if the son of man is the one that has authority to execute judgment, then the earth belongs to the son of man. It's just like in this in this society, a judge cannot take jurisdiction over a case if it is not within his circuit of jurisdiction. Well, likewise, if the earth didn't belong to me, then I couldn't judge the people that's on it. But the scripture says in the book of Psalms, the earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, the world, and they that dwell therein. So now you may say that you don't believe I'm the son of man, and you have every right to that. No, sir. I'm just trying to see, I'm trying to get you. I'm trying to get you to strong proof that I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying, brother, I'm not attacking you. I said you may say you don't believe that I'm the son of man. I didn't say you said that. Okay. I said you may say that you don't believe I'm the son of man, and you have every right to your disbelief. But if I am the son of man, I have every right to judge every human being on the earth because the earth belongs to me. And that's according to the word of God. Now, uh to let you hear the messenger, he said that it will come to pass that one of you, he was talking to his followers. But he wasn't, he didn't say all of us. He said it will come to pass that one of you will say be. He said, our word is to become B. It will come to pass that one of you will say B, and we will have something different. He said it could be a hundred, it could be a thousand, it could be a million years from now, but it will come to pass. Now, here he is.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:10

Oh, the Bible speaks to you. You will speak.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:49

Peace, peace, peace. We can't really hear the audio. We can't hear the audio. Peace, peace, peace. We cannot hear the audio. Peace, we cannot hear the audio. The audience cannot hear the audio. I cannot keep it going. If the audience cannot hear the audio, and I can't hear the audio either. So I can't get your point. If I can't hear the audio, you know. Uh brother, if you could take that thing down and and let's continue to build. I don't know what you how you want to do this, brother. Peace. Peace. Peace. I don't know what happened. Amazing. What's going on? Something happened. I don't know what happened, y'all. I don't know what happened, people. I can't tell you. Something happened. Well, um, I don't know what happened. I had to cut the tape off because hold on, let me see if the tape is still going. The tape is still going. If I'm wrong, somebody tell me, please. I don't understand how we could keep the podcast going. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:23

You heard the messenger say.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:27

Hold on, brother. I honestly, to be quite honest with you, I didn't really hear much of what the messenger said. When when you do stuff like put audio up, you you might have to uh sound check that first, you know what I mean, before before you do that, because that point, we didn't get that point right there. I'm still trying to figure out uh uh how are you and you only the son of man from what I just so hold on, brother, hold on, brother. I let you play a tape that I couldn't really hear. I let you talk. I just want to hold on, hold on, brother. Let me just talk. Let me just say what I gotta say. I'm just still trying to figure out from your own mouth how are you and you the only son of man that exists, right? You verified, you you claim to verify through scripture, right? And I guess that's a whole other lesson because I still don't get it. Or maybe I'm maybe I'm slow. Am I I'm slow out there, everybody. Let me know. Did y'all get his point on how he himself is the only messenger, the only uh son of man?

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:41

Well, in order to do that, you'd have to you'd have to have the scripture and reading it along with me. You see, it's just like you want to come to my class, which is a called a scriptural discussion with the son of man, and you didn't bring no textbook.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:58

But you know what I did bring though? What did you bring? I brought uh 120 in my mind, and then just in case, I bought the supreme wisdom right here, right? So are you aware what supreme wisdom hold on? I uh I want to just I just I want to say this I have 120 in my mind, memorize, and then I have supreme wisdom right here, and from the just in case, because anybody from the five percent five percent nation, they know that supreme wisdom and one twenty they are the same, so to speak, right? But they're not, there's slight differences. So I wanted to make sure that I have supreme wisdom here, and I'm trying to see if you're gonna quote or go anywhere in supreme wisdom to verify you and only you being the son of man, um, and and that's not happening. So if we're if we're uh talking about the Bible now, if we're talking about the Bible, then that's a whole other bill. So now for me to verify, just like you said, what do you think the Bible is? You believe it's the word of God? Uh do I believe the Bible is the word of God? That's that's a good question. I can't answer that because I'm not a I'm not a student of the Bible, so to speak, but I am a student. Okay, well, let me know. I am I am a student of a law, right? Let me say this. People call him Clarence Smith, the father, and I am a student of the messenger's teachings as well. So I'm I'm just trying to see. I'm just trying to see if we gotta if we could go in this supreme wisdom. Now, if we can't, if we can't, if we can't go in the supreme wisdom, that is fine.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:53

So you just told me something. You just told me something that tells me that there's no way you're gonna believe anything, I'll say.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:03

No, I can't, because I can't I can't believe anything on fair value, right? I don't believe I deal with facts, so I don't I don't really believe I deal with facts, brother. I don't want to, I don't want to go back and forth. I don't want to I don't want to cut you off. I'm just I'm calm, I'm really calm. This is how I am.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:19

You notice when you have something to say to me that may that you may feel refute something that I say, I listen to you. So now I'm telling you, when the messenger was asked, is the Bible a lie? He said, No, it's not a lie. He said, But if you don't understand it, it makes you to see wrong. And as far as the Holy Quran says, he said, if you want to talk to Allah, read the Quran. He didn't say go get the supreme wisdom that he that he called.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:53

Oh, so boom. Oh, hold on. That makes a lot of sense now. So we got it. So we got it, okay. No, you don't have it because you can't be able to do that. Truth Academy, hold on. Truth hold on. I just want to address something before we go too far on this because this this could be uh going too far. So, yes, he is a law, not Clarence. However, I just wanted to make other people don't call the father a law, so I just want to make sure they understood who I was talking about. So I mentioned Clarence Smith. So that's why I said that. Okay. Hold on, brother, hold on, brother. I just want to go to this. I just want to go to this. I just want to say this. So I'm just trying to figure out. I just want you to verify how are you and only you, the son of man. So I guess this is another through the scriptures. You verified it through the scripture that you that you yourself, right, is the son of man. Okay, so this is this is a uh uh uh uh something that we would have to come back to because I would need the Bible right here to see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:01

Brother, brother, since you don't uh understand that you didn't say it, you don't believe in the Bible.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:10

What I didn't know. I said I'm not I'm not a I I don't really read the Bible like that per se. I know literally, I know verses here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:21

Let me let me explain something to you. Okay, the the the word of God says among men is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge, without guidance, and without an illuminating book. The holy scriptures is what Allah made through his prophets, and he called it his covenant, and he called me the messenger of his covenant who comes to verify it. Well, I can't verify the covenant in your head because you don't have it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:02

Okay, so we could do this again though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:04

We could we could definitely because okay, well then when you want to when you want to do it again, I told you if you want to do 20 times, as long as you be respectful, because there's it it's no way that you can call one messenger as a messenger of God's wisdom, supreme wisdom, if you don't call all of them supreme wisdom. That's great because they all came from one God. So you got a you got a lot that you need to go away and think about, and you need to go back and listen to this this conversation that you and I had.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:40

Oh no, no, I'm paying attention. Trust me. I'm paying attention. So I don't, I don't, I'm not also I'm not, I'm not, I'm not emotional about it. So okay, but I want you to take this. I'm actually disciplined my emotions. So so look, I just wanted to say this particular script. Before you go on and talk about your scripture, right? I just want to say this. I just want to say this. This is all I'm trying to do as a host of the show. All I'm trying to do is I'm trying to figure out your name is Son of Man. Let's keep it simple. That's me. Okay, okay, your name is Son of Man. So I am trying to get you to show and prove how you are son of man from uh uh from uh supreme wisdom, the messages, the messengers teachings. You don't even have to use supreme wisdom, use uh his books. Uh, message to the black man, uh our savior has arrived. One of the books, something from the messengers teachings, because you have the messenger and uh Master Farad Muhammad on the side of you as if you know these teachings uh forward and back. But as I'm building with you right now, I'm realizing I don't think you do because you keep picking at the Bible. So I think your strong point or your strong part or strong suit is the Bible. So that is fine.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:06

That is fine if that is just a moment, just a moment. You know, you keep saying things, but you don't realize that you're contradicting the messenger. I'm gonna show you. Here it is, right here. So now, so now, as you heard the messenger say, we need a man that knows today and not guess at the truth. And I'm the only one who knows the scriptures and not guessing at the meaning. I'm the only one who knows the teachings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad, even that student enrollment, it flew right past all of us. You can't on the one hand say that you believe that there's only one God and that God is a man, and then turn around and say that God is all men. No, all men, just like your whole body is all you, but your whole body ain't you. There's only one it in the body. The only one that can identify as one is your head.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:06

Okay, so the brother, the brother, okay. I hear I hear you, brother. I hear you, brother. I uh and notice, notice I I was super respectful with you. I was super respectful with you now. All I was trying to figure out is this how are you the son of man? Only you, and can you verify that through supreme wisdom or any of the messengers' teachings you failed to hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, brother. I don't want to hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You did not verify how you or show and prove how you are the son of man through the messenger, messengers teachings at all, and the messenger and Farah Muhammad is right right here, right? And you're not using their their teachings at all to verify anything you're saying. You keep going back to the scriptures, the Bible. So, to me, in my mind, you are a Christian more than you are uh a follower of the messenger's teachings. Peace. When did the Bible become a Christian book? Okay, so now you want to go on that. So Hebrew, whatever, whatever the case may be, that's not my point. My point is that what do you mean I'm a Christian? What do you mean I'm a Christian? Okay, okay, okay. So, how about this? You're not Christian. I'm saying this, you're not Christian, however, you definitely are not teaching the messenger's teachings at all. Or at least not at least not on this show. At least not on this show.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:52

Oh, he muted me? Yeah, but he he can okay. Um all you have to do is all you have to do is tell me, and I'll I'll let him go here. I ain't trying to take over his broadcast, but the the thing is, you're making statements that are unfounded. You're trying to suggest that the Bible is a Christian book, and the Bible is not a Christian book.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:16

Okay, so that's what I said. I didn't want to go, see, because see that right there, when I when when we're dealing with that, like if let's say if I step, I stepped on a landmine just by saying that. So I don't even want to, I don't even want to go with that. I'm just saying, this is my overall point, brother, is that I'm trying to get you to verify, show and prove that you and only you is the son of man through the messenger's teachings. That's and you have not done that, you failed to do that, and we had a whole hour for you to do that. Plus, I'm giving you an extra 20 minutes on the interview. You have not shown and proved anything about the supreme wisdom. In fact, you stumbled on uh the one of 36, which is the easiest part of the uh uh of Supreme Wisdom, and you it's like you didn't know that, and then you were kind of like mixing and bouncing lessons up, and you got me confused up here. And so basically, you're not dealing with the messenger's teachings, what you're dealing with is the Bible. I'm not saying Christianity, let's put that off the table. You're just dealing with the Bible, and I can respect that now that I know that. So, what I would like for you to do is verify that you yourself is the son of man through the Bible, and let's see if you can try to connect that back with supreme wisdom in the messenger's teachings. On that note, I I would like to say peace because I gotta go. Uh, it's it's it's 20 minutes past, it's 20 minutes past, brother. I'm not, and this is no disrespect. I I've been disrespectful the whole time. I don't disrespect my elders, I don't disrespect my elders, brother. I don't understand something.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:56

Understand something. Okay, it is not actually up to you to determine whether you disrespected me. It's up to you, right? Yes, it is. Okay, you know, so uh I'll say this I know you didn't know no better, so I don't I don't hold it against you, but you should not ask me questions, and then while I'm answering the question that you asked me, you should never have cut me off and then tell me I didn't prove something.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:29

Okay, the messenger said I gotta answer that. The reason why I have to cut you off is because I'm trying, I'm asking you simple questions. If I ask you one plus one equals what, you would give me a straight answer because you know the straight answer. So I'm asking you, how are you the son of man? And you can you verify that through supreme wisdom or the messenger's teachings, anything out of the messenger's teachings. The reason why I'm asking you to do that is because you have Elijah Muhammad to the left of you, and to the right of you, you have Master Farad Muhammad, right? Those are the two faces plus yours, three faces we see on your screen when you're teaching, right? And you're not teaching their teachings. So I'm just trying to figure, that's what I'm trying to figure out. If you are the son of man, can you please verify that through the teachings? Because you have their faces on your uh uh uh uh uh screen, peace.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:34

It did he unmute me yet? Okay, now um, why do you keep muting me when as though I'm somehow disrupting your broadcast? I don't do that to people when they come in my class unless they truly are disrupted. But when you go to speak, even when you cut me off, I will say, brother, you didn't let me finish. But if you don't respect that, I stop. So why do you feel the need to cut me off? You cut me off in the middle of answering you, and then you say I didn't give you an answer.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:09

You want me to answer that? That's up to you. Yeah, I'm gonna answer that. I'm gonna answer that. So I'm answering now. I want to say this. The reason why I have to cut you off is because I'm asking you again, I said it again, I'm saying it again. I'm asking you, how are you and only you the son of man? And can you verify that through the messenger's teachings? Because I haven't heard any the son of man anywhere but but supreme wisdom. Now, I could be young, I could be too young, I could be uh uh uh young old, I don't know what's going on, but I the son of man, I'm just trying to figure out how you can verify that in supreme wisdom and through the messenger's teachings. That's all I'm asking, brother.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:58

You know, you keep muting me and you keep saying things that you don't want to challenge on. I I didn't tell you I have a photographic memory. When I be talking and you say, wait a minute, stop right there. I stop. I'm not interested in trying to block you from saying anything, but you seem to be interested in trying to block me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:25

Uh no, and you're trying to reason why the reason why I'm muting you is because I don't want to over talk you. You're saying stuff that's not true. So I'm just trying to verify, I'm just trying to get you to understand what I'm I'm saying. All I'm asking you is just to verify who you are through the messenger's teachings. You're not doing that. So the statement son of man said in the Bible a few times. I know what I'm saying to you, King Simon, is that I know the son of man from from 120 of Supreme Wisdom. Now, I didn't I grew up in the church when I was a kid, but I wasn't really listening to the Bible like that when I was a kid. This is my foundation right here. So I'm trying to get him to, I'm trying to get him to verify who he says he is through the messenger's teachings, who he has on both sides of his face, both sides of his of his body. That's all I'm just trying to figure out. He did not do that, he kept going to the scriptures. So he's a uh uh uh uh he's into the Bible. Cool, he's not into the messenger's teachings, so therefore, why do you have the messenger right next to you and Master Farad Muhammad? I don't know. It's like forced advertisement, peace. All right, all right, brother. But brother, uh were you in the nation when the messenger was here? Brother, that that you go you already know the answer to that question. So uh so now let me let's do this. Hold on, brother, because now we're going back and forth too much. So all I want to know is this let's just let's just do this. Let let's let's just do this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:08

Is that too much to ask you to answer? Have I refused to answer anything you asked me?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:17

Wait, hold on. I didn't hear what you said.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:19

Say that again. I said, have I refused to answer any question that you asked me?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:26

Uh, you are taking me on a long, long explanation, and you're not getting to the point. And I'm trying to get you to get to the point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:36

Just a moment. You say I take you on a long explanation. They accused the messenger of that. One man asked him, Elijah, why do you go through so much definition? He said, Because if I don't go through so much definition, you may misunderstand what I mean by what I say. Anybody can just stand up and tell you nine times nine is 81. But if you want to prove to somebody that it is that, it takes more time to give them proof of why and how you arrived at that. Understood. You you keep at telling me you asking me a simple question. Well, that's a foolish statement coming from a man that claims to be civilized.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:24

Hold on, brother. Hold on, brother. I hold on one second. King Simon. No, King Simon, no, King Simon, and I respect you. I don't know what's going on, brother. But no, you don't respect. No, no, I'm talking to King Simon. I'm not talking to you, brother. Pardon me. I don't mean to uh um I'm not disrespecting the channel in the gram with you that he's responding to. Uh yes, so so King Simon, no, brother, he is taking a long time to explain himself, right? When everything is already in the messenger's teachings, I'm not walking around with the messenger's teachings on my hat on my chest and can't verify who I am through the teachings I claim to be part of or be from. So, brother King Simon, no. We're not dealing with that. So look, brother, look, check this out. I got no disrespect. Uh, the brother who who um the brother who uh uh uh uh uh put me plug me with the brother, uh uh uh son of man. Uh with all due respect, I love you, thank you. You've been peace, you've been peace with me. I love you, thank you for that. Really respect you, uh, son of man, no disrespect. But I was just asked, I was just asking a simple question. You could not verify that. So therefore, you could not show and prove who you are, so therefore, you are not the son of man to me. What's your real name? I want to know that. Peace. I gotta go out, I gotta go. Everybody, no disrespect. Like, I gotta go because it's time, it's up. It's like I got stuff to do. You know, thank you for coming out, son of man. I really appreciate you. If you want to come back, I would I would like for you to come back so you can verify what you're saying through the Bible. We can take it through the Bible since you want to do that. But since you didn't do what I what what what we all wanted to know, how are you the son of man, and you didn't verify yourself through this, then that means you're not dealing with the messenger's teachings. So we are we all are all understood. We know that you're not dealing with the messengers' teachings. We know that now, okay? So peace to you. We could go to the Bible on the next one. Love you, brother. King Simon, no, that's not what's going on. Nah, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. Peace to everybody in the chat, peace to everybody who watched. Love you all, and we are out of here. Peace.