The Mysteries of Oya and Oshun with Ayabas Wynd

The wind doesn’t ask for permission before it shifts, and neither does real transformation. We invited a beloved priestess to walk us through the living current of Lukumi—how a Catholic childhood among Brooklyn nuns led to years of study, sweat, and service before the crown, and what it actually means to surrender when an orisha claims your head. From there, we step straight into the storm with Oya: the female warrior who enforces change, guards the cemetery gate, and signals upheaval with signs you can learn to read. The stories are raw and specific—illness that forces rest when you won’t slow down, flies as a quiet alarm, machete and horse tail cleansings that cut through confusion and grief. It’s not mystique; it’s training.

To balance the tempest, we turn to Oshun’s river—adaptable, charming, and relentlessly persistent. Honey, bells, butterflies, and beauty aren’t fluff here; they’re tools that smooth sharp edges and help relationships and self-worth repair. We talk feminine energy without clichés: jealousy, softness as strength, and how sweetness becomes strategy when life gets loud. Along the way, we tackle a hard truth about spiritual commerce: why head marking matters, how initiation without community puts you at risk, and what to watch for when “pots” and “prepared” candles show up in your feed. Discernment isn’t gatekeeping; it’s safety.

If you’ve felt the wind at your back—or in your face—this conversation gives you a map: prayer and ebo when the tower shakes, fabric and offerings that speak the orisha’s language, and a simple rule of thumb when protocols clash with spirit—listen to the divine you vowed to follow. Tap play, share this with someone navigating a big shift, and if it resonates, subscribe and leave a review so this learning reaches the next person standing at the gate wondering which way the wind will blow.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome, Mission, Guest Intro
• 3:20 Catholic Roots to Orisha Path
• 9:30 Lukumi vs Santería, Crowning Journey
• 15:45 Contact Info and Topic Set
• 18:20 Who Is Oya? Change and Force
• 24:35 Storms, Signs, and Warnings
• 30:40 Colors, Offerings, and Symbols
• 36:40 Oya, Cemeteries, and Fear
• 42:00 Weapons, Cleansings, and Community
• 48:10 Price of the Crown and Discipline
• 53:20 Invoking Oya and Following Spirit
• 59:20 Balancing with Oshun’s River

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:11

Peace world. Oh this is powerful. All right, peace, bro. How you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fevo with another episode of NYP Talk Show. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe, super chats. Tell a friend and tell her friend we are here to give you that good content, that good information, bring a bridge amongst all cultures for understanding and respect for others. So, with that being said, tonight we have our special guest, as always, a familiar face, a knowledgeable sister, queen, Miss Ayaba Swin.

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

Hi, everyone. Yes, it'll turn you, it'll turn you up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06

Yeah, definitely will. Very, very relaxing. Very got you in the zone, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12

Definitely. So tonight episode we'll be learning more about the mysteries, the understanding, the spiritual, the divine divination of Dorisha's Oya Inner Shun. Did I say it correctly?

SPEAKER_00: 1:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30

All right. So Miss Ayabas, tell us, give us, give us before we go into the show, into the topic, tell us a little more about yourself. Reintroduce yourself to the NYP platform to our audience. Give us a background of you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46

How do you get into this? Well, I was born in Hawaii, um, raised in between New York and the DMV area. Um I was born into the Catholic faith. And um basically the uh the um the nuns in uh St. James Cathedral Basilica in downtown Brooklyn were like my mother's. So I was pretty much in St. James Church for um several years when I was growing up. Um my grandmother took care of me. And um yeah, so that's a very interesting um point as far as my spirituality is concerned.

SPEAKER_03: 2:34

Um wow, a Catholic church amongst amongst nuns.

SPEAKER_00: 2:38

Yes, downtown Brooklyn, St. James Basilica, right near the Brooklyn Bridge. Um, and uh then, you know, I went to college and went to University in Maryland. And um it was there, it was then when I was um in African American studies with Dr. Aklan Lynch, who is famous. Um, you know, he had me really question, you know, my spirituality and my belief system. And um at that point, that's when I went on a journey to explore where it is I felt the spirit, what moved my soul.

SPEAKER_03: 3:19

All right. And uh before we go into that, I'd like to know how was it growing up within a Catholic community amongst nuns? Like, were you studying to be a nun yourself?

SPEAKER_00: 3:29

No, I wasn't. My grandmother was actually um, she was a cook in the convent at St. James Cathedral, uh in the rectory. And so she would take me to work with her every day. And um, I was a very mischievous child. And so um I would have the nuns chasing me all around the convent and the rectory. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 3:55

Uh ruler.

SPEAKER_00: 3:57

With a ruler, yes. Uh, and so um, but even though it was, you know, there were some challenging times. Um, there were some numbs that nuns that really um bonded with me, Sister Alice and Sister Mary, uh, who are Ebaye now. They're passed on, they're ancestors. Well, they're spirit, they're in the ancestor realm. They're not my ancestors, but they're spirit guides. Um piece. Yeah, and so it was very interesting. Um, so I had a Catholic upbringing.

SPEAKER_03: 4:31

Oh, learn. All right. So the Catholic upbringing and into this, have you managed, like in some way, see the two intertwine in some aspects?

SPEAKER_00: 4:42

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's essentially what santeria is. So uh, you know, that is um the African deities being hid behind Catholic saints, uh, that's syncretism. And so um, even though I wasn't initiated in santeria per se, it was more in the Lukumi line. Um, so uh in that line, it there's no hiding behind saints, you know, Obatala is Obatala, Yamaya is Yamaya, Oya is Oya, Shango is Shango. You know, um the Orishas are who they are, and there's no syncretism, there's no Santa Barbara for Shango.

SPEAKER_03: 5:23

Straight to the source, Lukimi goes straight to the source, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 5:26

And I was crowned um in a huge uh Ocha house in bedside named Ilea She, which was led by Mama Stephanie Weaver, okay Shande. Um, and so it's a very famous house.

SPEAKER_03: 5:41

That's peace. That's peace. That's what's up. And if you don't mind me asking, at what age did you get crowned?

SPEAKER_00: 5:52

Well, I'll tell you this.

SPEAKER_03: 5:55

I know it's not nice, it's not polite to ask a lady for what age.

SPEAKER_00: 5:58

I was crowned in 2013. Um, although I entered into the house in 2000. So in those years uh leading up to my crowning in 2013, I was an active uh student uh of the tradition, uh practitioner of the tradition, learning prayers, uh, you know, learning at Bose, learning how to work ceremonies, um, helping to crown other people's ocha. Uh, even though I wasn't allowed behind the curtain, um, I did, you know, spend with a lot of blood, sweat, and tears um working in the kitchen and doing the other things, very critical, important things to other people's ocha. Once I was crowned in 2013, then I was able to go behind the curtain and um actually, you know, um play sache uh on the yawo and you know do all the inner workings uh on the other side of the curtain. So yeah, so in the last um 20 years, 20 or so years, I have been actively working OCA and not just sitting with my ultra collecting dust. No.

SPEAKER_03: 7:17

That's peace right there. Gotta give you a shout out for that one.

SPEAKER_00: 7:20

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 7:22

That's deep right there, and we and we respect that very much. And like I want to let the people know, check her out, man. Sister's very deep, yes, knowledgeable, and no joke. And where can people reach you again?

SPEAKER_00: 7:36

Um, they can reach me at ayabaswind, a-y-a-b-as-w-y-n d 999 at gmail.com. Uh, I also have a YouTube channel, Ayabba's Wind, the same thing. Uh, and then I also have a um Instagram page, Ayabba's Wind, same thing. Um, and you can um, you know, request, request me, and uh, because the page is private, and um, I'll accept you and then you know we'll start the conversation.

SPEAKER_03: 8:08

All right, that's peace. So let's now to jump into tonight's subject. We're gonna learn more about Oya and Ashun. Oh, shout outs to Brother Ron's in the building. What's up, oh brothers in with the Africa hat?

SPEAKER_02: 8:22

My mic is not on, my mic is not on peace. Everybody thinks we got coming through. I just thank you. I like to make a little cameo every now and again.

SPEAKER_04: 8:33

I love it.

SPEAKER_03: 8:35

The brothers here, man. Trust me. Shout out to brother Ron, man. That's so brother number one. Okay, so he makes his cameos. Um, let's talk about. I got a question for you, right? How does Oya embody the forces of sudden change? And what does she reveal about transformation in human life?

SPEAKER_00: 8:58

I mean, for Oya, Oya is different for everybody, you know. So even though I'm a daughter of Oya, I can't say my experiences are the same as someone else who is a child of Oya. Um, but for me, Oya uh basically imposes change on your life, whether you like it or not. So, you know, I, you know, I knew somebody, you know, um, child of Oya, way back when. And uh, you know, she was doing a lot, running here, running there. And once she got crowned Oya, Oya was like, yeah, no, you're doing too much. And so, you know, as much as we want to control situations and kind of impose our will on situations, oh yeah, as well as the other Orishas, but I'm speaking about Oya, she is real swift to be like, No, you're doing too much, and she will essentially knock you off your feet. So, uh, you know, this particular person I knew, she uh broke her ankle. Um, and you know, she was out of commission, so she could not be running around doing this and that, and that was how Oya shut her down and slowed her down.

unknown: 10:17

Damn.

SPEAKER_03: 10:18

All right, so being that we spoke about that the embodiment, the embody of forces and sudden changes. Can we get a description to who and what is Oya?

SPEAKER_00: 10:28

Uh Oya is the female warrior. Um, you know, sometimes people will um have Oya in their life because maybe they don't have a voice, or maybe they don't feel like they have a voice, or maybe you know, people have taken advantage of them, you know, a large part of their life, and they need uh more of a force, a forceful presence, a warrior energy in their life. And so this is um when oya and other warrior energies enter into people's life. And so, as much as I've as I have Oya crowned, I also have Oshun's energy. Um, and for me, I must, as I as I venerate Oya, I must also venerate Oshun. Um and it's interesting, on my crowning on uh Bembe Day, when I was you know being introduced into the community, uh, an elder priest of Oshun got mon tao, got mounted with Oshun, and Oshun came down and said, Oh yeah, you know, you're getting crowned, or yeah, but I had you first. And so you can never forget about me.

SPEAKER_03: 11:50

Got you. So you say that you know, you've although you venerate one, you can't you must mention the other. So that's the deal. Like you can't you can't utter one without saying the other.

SPEAKER_00: 12:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 12:01

That's a taboo.

SPEAKER_00: 12:03

Uh-huh. So ma fetifunoshun, ma fedi funo ya, you know, oh yeah has my head, oh shun, you know, in in the community, they usually say if there's if you have two orishas that are, I wouldn't say fighting over you, but like have a you know a much stronger presence in your life, they usually say, you know, um, the the other orisha has you from the neck down.

SPEAKER_04: 12:27

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00: 12:27

And so they would say, oh, shun has me from the neck down. Oshun has my body, but oh yeah, has my head. And Shango is my father.

SPEAKER_03: 12:37

Oh, that's deep.

SPEAKER_00: 12:38

Because in Ultra, you get a mother, you get a mother and a father.

SPEAKER_03: 12:43

All right. Oh, that's okay. That yeah, that makes sense. That does. And when you have another one, what's like an auntie or something? I don't want to correct me if I'm wrong. Like, oh, shoon, yeah, like Oshun is like uh my other mother. Okay, yeah, I got you.

SPEAKER_00: 12:59

So I have two mothers.

unknown: 13:01

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00: 13:03

With respect to each one of them, my fairy fun or ya. And oh yeah, is no joke. And just as that happened to someone I knew who was a daughter of Oya, it happened to me shortly after I was crowned or yeah. Um, you know, people were um taking advantage of me, taking advantage of my kindness and of my service. And so um, you know, because at that time I was, you know, doing my best to be an obedient goddaughter in the tradition and being respectful, it was difficult for me to say no to work certain ceremonies and go to certain things. And so um, oh yeah, I was like, oh yeah, okay, you're not gonna listen, you're not gonna stand up for yourself. I'm gonna stand up for you. So um, you know, it came to a point where there was a certain ceremony that I was supposed to work, and um, oh yeah, somehow I got sick. Damn, it was just super random. No like um event that happened before it is just out of the blue. I just I couldn't get out of bed.

unknown: 14:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 14:15

And so oh yeah, I was like, okay, you also are going to have a seat. You're gonna have several seats, and you're not gonna be, you know, I'm not gonna allow people to take advantage of you. So I'm gonna keep you in bed until the smoke clears, and then I'll let you get up when I'm good and ready.

SPEAKER_03: 14:35

Sounds like guardianship right there.

SPEAKER_00: 14:37

Oh yes, oh yeah, it's no joke. She's not a joke, not a game.

SPEAKER_03: 14:42

Got you. So the question the question number two is in what ways is Oya's power over overstorm symbolic of inner emotional turbulence?

SPEAKER_00: 14:55

Uh what way is her her power? Can you um repeat that?

SPEAKER_03: 14:59

In what ways is Oya's power over storms? Symbolic of emotional turbulence, like in what ways like does she like manifest when people have an emotional issues?

SPEAKER_00: 15:14

Oh, okay. So again, I'm speaking from experience, and I'm also speaking from other people who I've um had conversations with about Oya and how Oya has worked in their life. Usually Oya appears, there's evidence of change and revolution in someone's life, a storm, or in tarot, they call it the tower, tower moment of people. Usually um ya is present when you start seeing flies all over the place.

SPEAKER_03: 15:46

Damn.

SPEAKER_00: 15:47

Um, flies are one of her her minions or her symbols, her the the presence, the symbol of her presence. Okay. And so when you see, you know, flies, you know that there's something pending or impending, whether it's impending doom or impending change.

SPEAKER_04: 16:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 16:07

And so you got to brace yourself. And it's basically, you know, with that, if you are an obedient Godchild, you will get down on that mat, mo for ribale, and you will be shaking the bean pod, the bells, the shekele, whatever it is you got to be communicating with the orishas to help to get you through the storm that's about to happen.

SPEAKER_03: 16:33

So basically, she gives you warnings. It's like the calm before the storm.

SPEAKER_00: 16:37

She gives you warnings. Sometimes the warnings are loud, and sometimes the warnings are subtle. And in those subtle moments, it's deliberate. It's like, okay, you know, heavy is the head that wears the crown. So you want you want this, you want to carry this crown, then you better be totally in tune with what's happening spiritually. And if you're not, you get spanked. That's what it is. It's like a hazing.

SPEAKER_03: 17:03

Oh, okay. Got you. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 17:05

So for other people, you know, having a Risha crown, maybe oh, nice and sweet and rainbows and unicorns. No, I'm here to tell you it's not always that. No, it is not. But I'm a daughter of Oya, so I can't tell you what it's like to be crowned Obatala or Shango or Alekba or Ogun or any of those. I'm talking about Oya.

SPEAKER_03: 17:29

Speaking from your experience, yeah. So what what are her primary colors?

SPEAKER_00: 17:34

Oh yeah, like Oya's colors are are like very um uh sultry, like uh, you know, um burgundies and browns and chocolates, um, you know, sometimes red, you know, um, because Shango and Oya are very similar to each other. And you know, Shango's colors are red, red and white, predominantly red. Um, and oh yeah also has red in common with Shango.

SPEAKER_04: 18:04

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00: 18:05

So for me, when I, you know, work with Oya, and and you know, when I prepare for my my yearly celebration, my what's called an OCA birthday, you know, and I have to dress my orishas. I have to properly honor my orishas and honor the day that I was crowned, you know, years ago. Um, we have fabric or um uh osho. Uh and the fabric that I usually choose for Oya, it's usually like purples, you know, like royal purples and um burgundies. And sometimes I'll do a splash of red for her.

SPEAKER_03: 18:42

Got you. And that's that's for her devotees, right? And um, what if you can't if you could expound on that, what offerings are made to Oya?

SPEAKER_00: 18:53

Oh, yeah, we'll take you know, dark fruits, um, definitely eggplants, akara, which are the you know, the bean fritters. Um, and uh, you know, it's different for everyone, but generally she takes the eggplants, eggplants, eggplants, she takes choco wine, um, red wine. Uh, red wine is a big one for her, at least for my ultra line and for my oya. I don't know how other people's ultra line does with you know their oya, but my oya, she loves red wine. I got you. Which is a little, it's it's not as sweet as Shango's port. Shango loves red wine, but it's port, so it's much sweeter.

SPEAKER_03: 19:41

Much sweeter, I got you. That's wow. And for a warrior, he likes sweet wine. Oh Shango, you saying, yeah, Shango and that Taylor, that Taylor port one.

SPEAKER_00: 19:53

Oh my god, he loves that.

SPEAKER_03: 19:57

I got you. So you you mentioned Shango earlier, so you're saying correct me if I'm wrong, Oya is kind of like Shango's counterpart or like a sister or something like that.

SPEAKER_00: 20:06

Yeah, I mean, that's his wife. Oh, yeah, is Shango's wife, so they share energy in the sky, you know, the storms, the lightning, the thunder, which is really Shang-Go, but it's also Oya. Oh, yeah is the storm, but you don't want to be in the storm, you want to be the eye of the storm.

SPEAKER_03: 20:26

Yeah, all right. I got it.

SPEAKER_00: 20:27

You want to stay in that calm place, and that's you know, staying in that calm place and not being swept up in the turbulent winds, that is through being obedient, child of OCHA, which is prayer and meditation, um, you know, and um, you know, having as best of spiritual hygiene as possible and staying connected.

SPEAKER_03: 20:54

I got you. So um that's a good question right here.

SPEAKER_00: 21:01

She likes chocolate too, or y'all loves chocolate, chocolate pudding and all of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:06

Really?

SPEAKER_00: 21:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 21:08

No, no, no flesh, like don't kind of meat, nothing like that.

SPEAKER_00: 21:12

Um, well, you know, no ram. I'm just gonna say that. No ram.

SPEAKER_04: 21:18

All right, no ram.

SPEAKER_00: 21:19

But everyone is different. So when you, you know, you make ocha, you know, you have your ita, your ita day where all of the orishas speak. Um, you know, the orishas will give you your tab taboos, your airways, you know, and they'll let you know what you can eat and what you can't eat.

SPEAKER_03: 21:38

Yeah, it's a sacrifice right there. Damn.

SPEAKER_00: 21:41

And it's the reason why you can't eat these certain things sometimes is because those are the things that the orisha will um use or require to save you from harm and danger.

SPEAKER_03: 21:55

I heard something like that before. Yes, within some food ceremony, rituals, certain things with certain food you can't eat. Wow, that's why I say this. The stories are they all connected, just told differently. Yes, very similar, and that is so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00: 22:14

There's many different ultra houses, many different lines of ultra people practice in many different ways. Um, and so you know, I'm not one to be judging how other lines and other people practice, I just know what I do.

SPEAKER_03: 22:31

Yeah, of course, of course, they each their own and it's respected. So, I have a question for you why is Oya often feared more than other Orishas? And what does this fear teach about respect for natural forces?

SPEAKER_00: 22:47

Oya is the mother of eggun, she's the mother of the the ancestors, okay, and so you know, they associate Oya with the cemetery at the gate of the cemetery. She welcomes the bodies in to the gate, and so you know, usually, you know, Oya is associated with death, with the dead. And, you know, I've been to different um, you know, drummings, ceremonies where children of Oya often are viewed in a very fearful way. And you know, I couldn't understand it, but I had an elder explain it to me is like, oh, yeah, deals with the dead, and I of course I knew that, but you know, people have different understandings of of what Oya is, what her energy is. And so many people are afraid of her. And so, you know, whereas Yamaya se, which is, you know, um, you know, the feminine aspect of the divine that rules over the oceans, motherhood, you know, um, children, family, abundance, health, reproductive health of the women, and all of that, she represents life. So, you know, for a child of Oya to be in the presence of uh, you know, uh Yamaya being born or you know, that kind of thing. But some um ultra houses or some people, you know, they get very afraid because of what Oya represents. And then, you know, uh, because Oya is at the gate of the cemetery, you know, people automatically get weirded out and scared, you know, with the spirits of the dead.

SPEAKER_03: 24:28

So I don't know what the challenge is, yeah. That's powerful right there.

SPEAKER_00: 24:36

Um, yes, wow, and in voodoo, who do we have in the cemetery? Grand um Baron Assamdi? Baron Samdi and Brigitte, yeah, or is that in um New Orleans voodoo?

SPEAKER_03: 24:49

I think believe in their voodoo as well, Baron Samdi. Yeah, I believe so, but grun Grun Brigitte and Baron Samdi.

SPEAKER_00: 24:59

Yes, so people get weirded out with that, you know. Um, and so yeah, I mean, if I was someone, I definitely wouldn't mess with a child of war. Yeah, tell them whether they knew what they were doing or not, yeah, and that's true.

SPEAKER_03: 25:19

I wouldn't want to mess with it.

SPEAKER_00: 25:20

The sound effects are crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 25:22

Yeah, I wouldn't want to mess with them though, but it's true.

SPEAKER_00: 25:25

Um, yeah, but I definitely would not play with a child of Oya. There's no way. She's got the egg one behind her and all the spirits in the cemetery. What? And then Shango's her husband. Nah, you have to be crazy, you have to be out your mind. Whether the person knew how to to work their orishas and you know, do other sorts of magical spiritual things or not, I wouldn't advise it.

SPEAKER_03: 25:54

No, so does Oya has a particular you know, most orishas or spirits have tend to have like a weapon of choice?

SPEAKER_00: 26:03

Yeah, I mean, when I was crowned Ocha, she had the machete. So at my drumming, when I at the coming out ceremony, the Bembe, the party day, you know. Um, when I was on the throne, it was the machete and the Arukuray, the horse tail.

SPEAKER_03: 26:21

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00: 26:22

So she has the machete in one hand and she's got the horse tail in the other.

SPEAKER_03: 26:27

What did you get rocked with it? Did it hit you with it? What did they hit you?

SPEAKER_00: 26:33

Um, did it hit me?

SPEAKER_03: 26:35

Yeah, like where's it when I was whipping the horse tail around?

SPEAKER_00: 26:39

Yeah, uh, no, but I hit a whole bunch of people with it.

SPEAKER_03: 26:44

And what does that symbolize is when you hit those people?

SPEAKER_00: 26:47

So um, you know, uh, if the person who is dancing for Oya has an Aruka Ray, and this person um has oh yeah come down on them, they get montao or possessed. You know, sometimes the horse tail um and or cloth, the osho, um is used to clean people. So, you know, the orisha, the you know, the horse, the caballo that's mounted, the legum or elegum that's mounted with oya, you know, may want to, you know, clean the people that are in attendance at the drumming. So they may use the fabric, they may use the horse tail to clean the people of any osobo or negative energy of orful ogo araye equ eyun fittibo. So confusion, chaos, sickness, you know, death, all of these things. Um, so you know, at drummings, you know, not just oya, but otheras who um, you know, descend down upon their horses may opt to do a cleaning depending on if that person needs it or not, or if the community needs it or not.

SPEAKER_03: 28:00

Got you, got you, got you. Wow, it sounds like there's a lot in entail with Oya's energy and presence, like she's a healer, nurturing mother, warrior, a guardian of death. Yes, are there anything? Say, for instance, um, you know, you know, in everything in life there's polarity, there's pros and cons. Yes, what are the cons of Oya? Say, for instance, you're doing all the good stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 28:31

Yeah, I wouldn't say that there's cons, but I like I said, you know, heavy is the head that wears the crown. You know, it's wonderful when people go through the experience of being, you know, through their year in seven days. Um, my year in seven days was uh very rough, but I mean, look at the orisha that I have, I have oh yeah crown. So, you know, that's a warrior energy. So, you know, in my process, she was building me up.

SPEAKER_03: 28:59

You have to go through the battles of life, huh? You must go through the cycles and battles of life.

SPEAKER_00: 29:05

Yes, exactly. And so I am not oh yeah, but um, you know, I have basically um uh, you know, she's using my body as a vessel to do the work that needs to be done. Okay, and so, you know, um yeah is just she's not to be played with, and so it's not anything like, yes, you have oya, and there's not many people that get their heads mark oh yeah. There's a lot of oyas out there, but it's not as common as say other riches, other people getting crowned oshun or a batala or Shango or a legba. So um, and in my experience, a lot of the children of Oya, they're very um, they like to function independently.

SPEAKER_03: 29:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 29:58

I don't want to say they're way room, but They show up when they show up.

SPEAKER_03: 30:02

All right, got you. So how before we go into the shoon aspect, how is Oya invoked during times of personal upheaval or crisis? Like what are the steps? If you could, if you could, you know, disclose some.

SPEAKER_00: 30:17

Um, you know, it's really through um a lot of prayer. It's like, you know, it's you getting down and mofuribalaying, you know, saluting your orisha and you know, submitting to the orisha and praying and doing, you know, um ebo, which is sacrifice in the form of, you know, foods, adimu, um, you know, feathers if need be, you know, whatever, you know, making offerings, you know, and um, you know, asking oh yeah to intercede in certain situations. Okay. And uh, you know, I was in a particular situation where, you know, there was protocol that was required in a particular situation, um, protocol that was set up by the house um and was supposed to be reinforced by, you know, um uh elder priest. Um, and you know, every time that I went to, you know, try to honor that particular protocol, oh yeah stopped me.

SPEAKER_04: 31:25

Really?

SPEAKER_00: 31:26

And well, there were situations and circumstances that prevented me from doing that. And then when I finally had a conversation with Oya through divination, through throwing Obi, the coconut, to Oya and communicating with her, oh yeah was like, no, I don't want you to do that. She's like, I don't care if it's protocol or not. That is not what I want you to do, and you won't do it.

SPEAKER_03: 31:53

She sounds controlling.

SPEAKER_00: 31:55

So I had to honor what Oya was saying. And so I got a lot of flack for it. You know, I got a lot of heat from people in the community, in the OCA community, uh, because it was protocol that was set by the particular um elders or whatever, and it was a part of you know how things were done. But my orisha said, no, you're not doing that. So, you know, I have to honor the orisha.

SPEAKER_03: 32:23

I respect that. I was saying she sounds, she sounds a little controlling.

SPEAKER_00: 32:27

Yeah, well, yeah, it's no joke. And I just think, like, you know, um it's it's an honor to have Orisha crowned, no matter what Orisha it is. But people have to understand that it's a pact. And when you agree to, you know, this pact, when you agree to um merge souls and spirits and merge this energy, allow this energy to merge with you and to enter into your vessel, you gotta surrender control. You gotta surrender control because these are these are energies, these are aspects of the divine. Who am I to say, no? Oh yeah, you can't do that. Nah, she's an aspect of God, she's the aspect of the the the divine, is what she says goes, and I don't give a damn who or what doesn't like it. If oh yeah says it, that's it's law, that's it. It's going down, it's going down just like that. All right, and I don't care if it's it's uh uh um boyfriend, husband, um godparents, whatever. If oh yeah says no, it's not happening.

SPEAKER_03: 33:45

All right, so before we go into Oshun, this is this is how old sounds in your head. She be coming off like this in your mind.

SPEAKER_00: 33:52

Yes, that is how old y'all is. So you you feel me? Oh yeah is channeling a light part of Oya's energy.

SPEAKER_03: 34:00

That's how she be talking to you. Sound like something like that.

SPEAKER_00: 34:03

Oh, yeah, it's no joke.

SPEAKER_03: 34:04

You and your mother play with all yeah if they want all you motherfuckers. Yo, let me stop playing, you know, just goof it off, man.

SPEAKER_00: 34:15

Do you feel her energy though?

SPEAKER_03: 34:17

Yeah, when I met you, you you you know, you could be intense, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 34:21

When you when you when you yeah, you know, look, I try to be not my fatty foon because we're gonna be talking about oshun. So oshun helps to smooth it out, you know what I'm saying? So oftentimes I have to take uh you know a spoonful of honey to set my day straight so I can be uh in a much sweeter disposition because oh yeah, does not play games, she is not about the bullshit.

SPEAKER_03: 34:54

Hmm, yeah, I gotta I gotta avoid her when she come to the block. It's like I ain't dealing with her, man. Like, I'm gonna go back outside. I'm not dealing with that. Oh my god, she's just moody all day, like damn. Like so, we're gonna talk about Oshun, how powerful, right? How does Oshun flow in river energy symbolize adapt adaptability and persistence?

SPEAKER_00: 35:32

She's a beautiful energy, you know, and I'm not crowned Oshun, but Oshun's energy is all over me, and so Oshun, you know, she can also be, you know, a serious force to be reckoned with, you know, but she knows how to smooth things out. She's very charming, you know, witty, um, charismatic, you know, smooth. She loves beautiful things, the finer things, and this, this, and that, you know, and her colors are very soft and pretty and romantic. And, you know, she's represented by the butterflies and the bees, and you know, she loves honey and you know, beautiful music and bells and nice things. Like she's all the pretty things, you know, and she's, you know, really um pivotal um and important and integral in relationships between um two people that um are romantically involved. And I'm just saying that in honor of same-sex couples as well, but between men and women as well, most importantly.

SPEAKER_03: 36:44

With with that, you know, it just sounds so familiar. It sounds like a story of Urzuli Donto, right out of sisters. Donto is a loving mother, caring, you know, protector, yes, fierce.

SPEAKER_00: 37:00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03: 37:01

Then you have Freda. You know, the attributes of Freda is loving, she's sweet, all about love, pink, emotional, but also fierce.

SPEAKER_00: 37:13

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03: 37:14

And the time comes.

SPEAKER_00: 37:16

So they have this, they have this duality, you know. There's a sweet aspect to them, and there's a very happy. Um, sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 37:27

I'm still oh, we lost connection. We lost connection. Ah for the people that are viewing, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We got super chats. As you can see, can you hear me? I can hear you. I just don't can't see it. The um connection failed for a second.

SPEAKER_00: 37:50

Do you see me? Do you hear me?

SPEAKER_03: 37:52

I can hear you.

SPEAKER_00: 37:54

Here we go.

SPEAKER_03: 37:55

It's a bit disrupted. Yeah, it's distorted. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 38:01

Okay. I I you should see it now.

SPEAKER_03: 38:05

Huh?

SPEAKER_00: 38:06

It's more light. You see me?

SPEAKER_03: 38:10

No, just pure darkness. Now we can see.

SPEAKER_00: 38:14

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03: 38:15

Yeah, we can hear you, but the connection is broken. It's breaking up. So I think we lost. Alright, now we got you.

SPEAKER_04: 38:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 38:33

Alright, now we got you. Well, I was saying earlier prior prior before the disruption, I was like, it sounds like Erzuli Donto and Freda story. Between those two.

SPEAKER_00: 38:43

Oh, yes. Well, you can tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_03: 38:47

Well, from you know, from what we hear, umzuli dontho is the mother. She's she's she's um she's represented in voodoo, those who do the synchronicity of voodoo as the black Madonna with the three cuts in her face holding the bot holding a child.

SPEAKER_00: 39:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 39:06

Right? And Azulie Fred is represented by the lady, our lady of sorrows, with you know, you know, holding dressed in pink or something they call in the Spanish Delorosa. I forgot I forgot her name. Forgive me, I'm gonna get persecuted for this, but oh, Delorosa, yeah. So it's two sisters that that were in combat with each other over Ogu. As legend is, they say that Freda cut Donto in the face. They're sisters, they work together, but they don't get along. Weird story, you know. Everyone has their hand on it. So, you know, one represents hard work, maturity, mother, one, the other one is a hopeless romantic. Uh-huh. She's young, like seeking love. But the older, the mature one, as you leadonto, also represents um mature, you know, love, maturity, wealth, hard work, protection. They both do, but in different and to the to different degrees.

SPEAKER_00: 40:09

Isn't Dante much more practical? Whereas Frida is more romantic.

SPEAKER_03: 40:16

Yeah, hopeless romantic.

SPEAKER_00: 40:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 40:19

Hopeless romantic.

SPEAKER_00: 40:21

You know, like and Dante's like, girl, you better wake up.

SPEAKER_03: 40:26

Yeah, always crying, and uh as the legend says. So I'm more I lean more towards the don't or side. Okay, well, the strong black mother that I got your back no matter what. Yes, like thank you, mama. Fred, I don't disrespect the Fred. You can't mention one fight the other. Yeah, respect it too, but I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Just gonna cry about it.

SPEAKER_00: 40:48

Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_03: 40:51

But we know, but I'm more into the don't, but I see the um kind of hit of similarities in certain in certain areas of how yeah, children of o's shoon.

SPEAKER_00: 41:02

Uh, you know, the energy with that, it can be very sweet. You definitely don't want to be on the wrong side of a child of a child of ocean, but children of ocean, there's a lot of jealousy that they have to deal with, and so I think that's one of their um uh big challenges as they walk their path is jealousy. Um, you know, many women, if if you if you can embrace your divine feminine energy, which is really that of Oshun, um as a female, um, you know, there are many women who struggle to embrace that energy or who don't have that energy. They can't find it, or they've been so hardened that, you know, it's hard for them to, you know, be able to tap into that energy. So, you know, with that comes a lot of jealousy. You know, it's uh self-love, it's body love, it's divine love, it's romantic love, it's passionate love, it's beauty, you know, honoring yourself, um, honoring your femininity. And, you know, just because you're a woman doesn't mean you're always tapped into that, you know, and so daughters of Oshun, you know, um, not to say they don't have their struggles, you know, but they they tend to um uh you know uh what do you call it, emanate that energy. And so there's many people who are jealous of it, and then there's men that can't handle it, you know. That serves a lot of possessiveness and insecurity, you know, in dating a child of Oshun, whether it's a man or a woman.

SPEAKER_03: 42:52

Do you think that sometimes some people tend to um these gray areas in life or these difficulties amongst human interaction tend to blame on the on the orishas at times?

SPEAKER_00: 43:07

Yeah, I mean, some people can be like, oh man, like, you know, if I if I didn't have this, if I didn't do this, then maybe things would be different. But, you know, and that I think that's for people who, you know, just bought their ultra. You know, in my ultra house, in the house of Ila She, you can't just buy your ultra. You know, you essentially you don't get haze per se, but you gotta you gotta put in some sweat equity and you gotta learn all that you need to learn as an alayo and on your road to being a yahoo and a priest of ultra, whether it's a baba locha or ea losha. And so, you know, in my ultra house, they were not selling ultra. You know, just because you got the money that you need to buy the ultra, you know, and some ultra houses do that. They're like, oh, you have the money? Okay, I'm gonna crown you oshun. And they have only been in the ultra house for a month or two months, and then they buy their ultra and they can say they're a priest of oshun or a priest of obatala. And they don't know the first about working in ultra, you know, about getting their clothes dirty, about learning, you know, uh what it is that, you know, needs to be learned. And they walk around with, you know, these uh collares, aleques, and this crown and have this big ego and want to flex, but don't know the first about working the ultra. And then they start, when things go wrong, the first thing they want to blame is, oh, you know, the person that crowned me or the ultra. I shouldn't have done this. Well, maybe you should have just waited a little longer and worked the ultra for a few years. And then, you know, at that point, your godparent would, you know, consider crowning you. But you can't just, and that's a very dangerous thing. Me, you know, you know, I have godchildren. Um, and I tell them, like, look, you know, this has got to be something that you really want to do. And if you can't handle working ceremony and, you know, showing up for events and you know, you know, um learning all the things that need to be learned, then you're not ready for ultra. So you're darn sure not gonna be blaming the orishas for your downfall. So you saying people are people are being initiated in TikTok inboxes and of course, of course, you know, and you know, I'm not gonna be mentioning no prices, but if you are an Ultra, you know what the prices are, and some of the prices can be absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03: 45:49

All right, can you give a number? Huh? What's the number to get initiated online? Like, who do not do my email?

SPEAKER_00: 45:57

I'm not giving no number.

SPEAKER_03: 45:58

Who do I email?

SPEAKER_00: 46:00

No, we can talk about it off record, but it's absolutely ridiculous. Like, you know, you know, providing people with down payments to their house. Oh word, like it's crazy. And this is coming from hearing certain things, and as you know, my god brother, who has uh, you know, people have attempted to bamboozle him as well. And uh, no, it's not right, you know. Everything costs, you gotta pay the huh?

SPEAKER_03: 46:32

I got something to say. If I'm looking for spiritual stuff, man, I got this candle right here, man. Let me tell you, you light this candle, man, it would change everything in your life, man.

SPEAKER_00: 46:44

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03: 46:45

Yeah, listen, you have yo, it comes with six tickets to the two-part concert and biggie small show. Wow, you if you buy this candle from me, man, sell$59.95.

SPEAKER_00: 46:58

You know, I'm saying I'm sure you get it too, right on TikTok.

SPEAKER_03: 47:02

Listen, I be seeing people doing this online. I'm not I'm not trying to random no one's parade, but I'm like, damn, this is what you're doing now. You selling culture, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 47:11

But the karma and the osobo that comes with it is is nothing nice, and they you know, probably some of those people can make it a few, they can squeeze by a few years or some good years, but then when that Osobo hits, ooh, I wouldn't want to be him.

SPEAKER_03: 47:28

I got pots for sell too, man.

SPEAKER_00: 47:30

Listen, bet you do.

SPEAKER_03: 47:32

I got a spirit in here if you want it. This spirit, so we gotta do take some sanitizer. Wow, wow, wow. Yes, it's gonna work, fam. Holly.

SPEAKER_00: 47:45

I'm sure it will.

SPEAKER_03: 47:48

No, because I you know, we had um Baba Victor on here. He watched this show, he was impressed with your show. Shout out to Baba.

SPEAKER_00: 47:55

Oh, okay. I saw his um clip too, it was great. I think I follow Baba Victor on TikTok. TikTok.

SPEAKER_03: 48:02

Yeah, he mentioned that you know, we he had heard about people buying pots online, and I'm like, damn, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 48:09

Absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03: 48:11

Really?

SPEAKER_00: 48:13

It's absolutely ridiculous, and anyone knows you gotta sit on the mat and you gotta have the um the oriete, the oba, the santero read that out. Read it out. You gotta see what you need to get, you gotta bring your behind from wherever you are, if it's California and you want work done in New York and you want to receive orisha's and ultra and all that, you better hop on a plane and find your way over here. You can't that you how are you gonna buy a pot online? But people are so desperate and they want this quick fix. And then when they get the pot and they get whatever, and they start trying to work it, and then they unleash Pandora's box. It opens up and all kinds of hell breaks uh loose in their life, or nothing happens at all because it's a dud. Either way, that's a nightmare, and that's when then you get people coming to you. Oh my god, this is this and that happened. Oh my god, you know, uh, you know, we divorced, my husband cheated on me. You know, the kids are going crazy, there's accidents, all kinds of stuff. What did you let into your house?

SPEAKER_03: 49:22

A pot that had chicken bones in there.

SPEAKER_00: 49:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 49:26

Chinese restaurant.

SPEAKER_00: 49:28

Oh, listen, people are crazy, and not even that, it's like people collecting antiques. You got to be careful with even buying masks online, yeah. You have to like you know, even buying, like um, you know, the flags, what do they call the the Haitian um voodoo flags?

SPEAKER_03: 49:47

The mushwa, the mushwas.

SPEAKER_00: 49:50

Like, you don't know has that been pre-owned by someone? Has it been worked? You know, what kind of energy is behind that? You know, and I it's true.

SPEAKER_03: 50:00

That's a fact. Even buying candles from a store, you don't know who touched it before. This is why you must cleanse your spiritual stuff before you utilize them.

SPEAKER_00: 50:09

Yeah, I'm not buying no prepared candle from someone who might be suspect, okay? Because every not everyone that works in a botanica knows what they're doing. You know what I'm saying? There are botanica owners that are spiritualists and not crowned in ulcha. So that's fine. You work your spiritual stuff, but you have to go as a you know a consumer, and you gotta you know, you gotta peep the energy. If the energy is funny, don't buy it.

SPEAKER_03: 50:38

They're not gonna like you for this ayabas.

SPEAKER_00: 50:40

Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_03: 50:42

Because you're messing up somebody's business. They're gonna be like, yo, come on, I'm just trying to eat, man.

SPEAKER_00: 50:47

But if they run an honest business, why not? Why not? The House of Hoodoo lady, um, who, you know, sinners, they they um they tapped into her and she was consulting with them to help them to create, you know, the character for sinners. Um, the lady I can't remember what her name was.

SPEAKER_03: 51:06

House of Hoodoos.

SPEAKER_00: 51:07

House of Hoodoo, yes. She was based down in New Orleans um at the time. She's not there anymore because of some scandal and issues that happened um, you know, between her and her business partner, nothing that had to do with her. But I would definitely buy from her, you know, but that's just the gift of discernment. You can't just, you know, just be picking up anything from anywhere. You have to really, you know, be able to evaluate, you know, the energy and see if it's good for you. Is it gonna be a good match? Definitely, definitely, definitely. It could be a good match for somebody else. The energy of the botanica or spiritual store could be really dark, you know, and there's people that it will attract. Okay, you know, they have their consumers, they have their customers, good for them. But I will not be stepping foot in that botanica.

SPEAKER_03: 52:03

I got you. Speaking of botanicas, uh a few months ago in Brooklyn, I heard they try to rob a botanica down on Broadway. I think the Bushwicker.

SPEAKER_00: 52:13

Oh, that's Baba Rudy's. I think the the only one that I know on Broadway, um, that's owned by a black Cuban. He's I think he's an omo batala. If that's the botanica you're talking about, he's on Broadway.

SPEAKER_03: 52:29

Yeah, they they try to rob it.

SPEAKER_00: 52:31

And I was like, that's the bad move. Bad, bad move. He's the very powerful priest, very powerful. You know, he's opened up his um, if it is who you say it is, you know, he's opened up his space for, you know, humongous drummings, um, you know, um, and uh, you know, uh crownings of ultra there. And uh they must not have been in their right mind. Anyone who attempted to rob his place, they must not have been in their right mind. They would not want to do that. And if they did it already, they better get ready for some serious karma.

SPEAKER_03: 53:12

See what happens.

SPEAKER_00: 53:15

Yeah, I think he's one of the few botanicas on Broadway.

SPEAKER_03: 53:19

I believe so.

SPEAKER_00: 53:20

Yeah, he's not far from Woodhall Hospital, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_03: 53:24

Yeah, that yeah, so you you you know it was that.

SPEAKER_00: 53:27

Yeah, that's Baba Rudy.

SPEAKER_03: 53:30

So between Oya, meaning that you must do it both. If a person decided to get crowned crowned into this culture under Oya or Oshun, right, will they be forced to pick between those two, or sometimes it just both will just come at one time for the nah?

SPEAKER_00: 53:48

You don't pick. So, what happens in my old child and my line of how we do it? Um, we bring um our godchild um to uh an orete, a santero, who reads the shells, and um, you know, it's called the head marking. And um we, you know, have a list of orishas that we have that we ask to see who has this uh child or this client's head, and we go through the list, and it's the shells of a leg bar, usually, that are determined um that determines who um has this person's head.

SPEAKER_03: 54:34

Got you, I got you. Appreciate that. Well, sister Ayabas, it was great having you on the show, beloved. Yes, you you are straight on a money direct, you know, your energy venerated as both on here.

SPEAKER_00: 54:48

So my fatifuno ya, my fatifuno shun, my fatifoon ego, my fatifun bobo e sha.

SPEAKER_03: 54:55

Ma fetifoon, I'm saying it correctly. What does that mean before we uh it's just you know giving thanks? All right, my fatifoon. All right, that's that's like all praise, all praises, right? All praises too. My fairy foon to all of them, and thank you for you know educating us about oh yeah and the shoon. We gotta have a part two, okay. Great to go in that because you you have a lot of information, and it's important to learn more because I like to talk more about the other um feminine um deities as well. Yes, that we know the oshun, oh yeah, yamaya. Are there any others before we get out here? You can just read it. There's oba.

SPEAKER_00: 55:40

Um people they get crowned, both masculine and feminine, um obatala, shango, alegba, ogoon, oh chocy, yamaya, oh shun, or ya. Um, yes, and oba.

SPEAKER_03: 55:55

Oh, okay. I got that.

SPEAKER_00: 55:57

And I got you.

SPEAKER_03: 55:59

I got you. Mm-hmm. That sounds so familiar. I heard that before in somewhere in the Asian movie, and I heard that before.

SPEAKER_00: 56:09

I got you, uh so those are that, that's like the the the typical ones that get crowned here. And other places they may crown other orishas, but we don't we typically don't crown like a locum, which is uh you know, a water energy. Um yeah, or babaloo, but some places do, I guess.

SPEAKER_03: 56:36

So we have to go live with you.

SPEAKER_00: 56:41

I would love to go live, that would be great.

SPEAKER_03: 56:44

I want I want people to call in, ask questions, because this is the I don't know, I'm gonna say kind of a renaissance.

SPEAKER_00: 56:52

You know what? And I just would say, I just want to say, like, you know, um, when I was in a layo um in the early 2000s, um, and my head was marked for OEA. Uh, I think my head was marked for OEA in 2008, 2009. I didn't make Ultra till 2013. Um, but you know, because there were not a lot of child children of OYA, OMO OYAS that I could talk to to, you know, to talk about the experience, what it's like, you know, any tips or things like that, you know, a platform like this would have benefited me. It would have helped because I would have felt more supported in that way, you know. Um, because like I said, there's not a whole lot of children of Oya.

SPEAKER_03: 57:41

Well, there's a time and place for everything. Yeah, you know, everything everything, not everything happens on perfect time. And so your voice being heard on here can help out other children of Oya. Those who are definitely need help. Don't forget to follow the sister. You can find her, Miss Ayabis Wind. She's on all social media platforms. Check the handle, check her out. We got videos of her talking about divination from Tarot reading down to Lokumi and Santa Ria. And we gotta bring her in for another episode.

SPEAKER_00: 58:14

And I do private spiritual, you know, I do private spiritual readings as well. Um, I don't read in person um at my house, but all I need is your name, your date of birth, and we tap into you spiritually, um, communicating with the ancestors, um, and your spiritual, you know, your cordon espiritual, your cuadro espiritual, your spiritual court. And um, you know, that is one aspect of, you know, developing yourself spiritually. And a lot of children of OYA are spiritualists. So, you know, um, you know, many of the children of OYA that I know are passing mediums, so they can pass the spirit um in spiritual settings, like you know, spiritual masses like misas and things like that.

SPEAKER_03: 59:01

Oh, yes, yes. We're gonna talk about that. With that being said, people, we are out. Comment, like, share, subscribe. Shout outs to Miss Ayabas Win. We gotta give her, we gotta give her applause, we gotta give her horn. Thank you for coming out, beloved.

SPEAKER_00: 59:20

Thank you for inviting me.

SPEAKER_03: 59:22

And we could do this again. This is NYP, and we out. Booze. Peace.