5 Percent Nation- From Street Hustle to Boardroom: The Corporate Grind Mindset

What if a name, a loss, and a stack of lessons could flip an entire approach to community power? That’s the energy of this conversation with True Ajani Allah—where Supreme Mathematics meets logistics, and unity stops being a slogan and turns into stoves, fridges, websites, and buybacks that actually move the needle.

We start where identity meets intent: choosing a name through the Supreme Alphabet and anchoring a life’s work in meaning. From there, True takes us through a raw origin story—Kojic pews, Detroit streets, incarceration, and the 2010 death of his sister—that ignited a fierce pursuit of truth across the Bible, Bhagavad Gita, the Circle Seven, and 120 degrees. The breakthrough wasn’t mystical; it was mathematical. If the black man is God, then outcomes must balance: no more blaming the outside when you’re the one writing the equation.

That mindset births operations. We dig into the creation of FiCree and The Cream Incorporated, designed to lift women and harmonize men’s roles with programs that change real conditions. True unpacks the gun buyback that worked by pricing reality—$400–$500 per handgun, $700–$800 per rifle, more for mods—built with city leaders, a church lot, and police protocol. He shows how one apartment repair morphed into seven‑figure housing contracts, workforce certifications, and a nonprofit‑owned LLC structure that unlocks grants and credibility. And he gets granular on what funders actually check: bylaws on your site, real board governance, domain emails, an operating agreement that answers grant questions before they’re asked.

You’ll hear how he turned corporate inventory into community infrastructure by partnering with Amazon, Nike, Home Depot, and more—loading 24‑pallet trucks, distributing TVs and appliances, then funneling people into classes on business credit, DUNS, and compliance. He reframes the “mother plane” as a unified Black mind powering 1,500 movements—Five Percenters, NOI, Moors, Hebrews, and organizers—each a small plane removing harm and building capacity together. No purity tests, just production: what have you added on, who have you taught, where is your 240?

If you care about nonprofit strategy, grant readiness, gun violence reduction, reentry, urban econom

Chapters

• 0:00 Names, Identity, and the Five Percent
• 3:30 Nation of Gods and Earths vs Five Percent
• 6:40 Early Life, Loss, and Search for Truth
• 12:10 Discovering 120, Mathematics, and Accountability
• 18:30 From Theory to Service: Founding FiCree/Cream
• 24:40 Scaling Impact: Donations and Business Launches
• 31:00 The Gun Buyback Playbook
• 38:20 Housing, Contracts, and Workforce Training
• 44:00 Corporate Partnerships and In‑Kind Supply Chains
• 49:30 Nonprofit Structure, Grants, and Credibility
• 56:00 City, State, and Private Funding Streams

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:09

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Ron Brown LMT. The people I say that all the time, every every episode. That's like my thing. I have to do that. That's like the signature intro. Y'all already know we did that on the last podcast. Let's go straight into it. Ron Brown LMT. And we got a guest here. True Ajani Allah from the five percent nation, nation of God's and Earths. I want to go right into it because it was under it was in the comment. It was in the comment. Let's just get straight to the point. And then, you know what I mean? Then we could go into the history, right? True Ajani Allah. Can you break that name down?

SPEAKER_03: 0:49

Absolutely. First of all, thanks for having me, bro. But you're right. Let's jump into that, man. I'm a firm advocator of uh acknowledging what your name is before you start the build. So uh true is spelled T-R-U, and uh Johnny is A J A N I. And that comes from the Supreme Alphabet. I teach righteousness on a universal level. I lie is just and true, and now it's the time to end the devil's uncivilization through the science of I stimulate life and matter. If it ain't life, it don't matter to me, God. Peace. Peace.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20

So now being that you know the five percent nation, the way the way uh it is it was it's from from what I know, it's taught is that the your name is supposed to come from the supreme alphabets, I mean Supreme Mathematics, Supreme Alphabets, right? And um from like my name is I Supreme. You picked true a Johnny. So where did you get the name from? And can you break that down?

SPEAKER_03: 1:47

No, I think I just did, guy. I got it from the Supreme Alphabet. Um, I chose that name for myself.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53

Okay, so you you broke down true from the alphabet. Okay, a Johnny. The word the the name a Johnny does it have a uh particular um definition?

SPEAKER_03: 2:04

Not how I use it, no sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07

Okay, okay, okay. All right, hold on one second.

SPEAKER_03: 2:12

I mean, I'm pretty sure, you know, when you look at even our supreme uh alphabet, you know, many people use different words for different understanding. I'm coming through our lives where I manifest, and so I want the supreme alphabet to manifest my name. I mean, we have different definitions that can be used in different contexts for different languages and different people, 85%, 10%. You know, I'm part of our lives five percent. And so I chose that name for myself, God.

SPEAKER_00: 2:38

Indeed. All right, check now. Um, just like uh Wise Asia use wise, you know what I'm saying? So I get it, I get it, I get it. That's peace. So now uh I noticed you use nation of gods and earths. Now you you know it's there, so I want to address that. You know, some people say five percent nation and not the nation of gods and earths, the nation of gods and earths is one thing, the five percent nation is another thing. So, how do you see that?

SPEAKER_03: 3:08

Um from true or Johnny Allah's perspective, God, because I don't want to speak for a nation or go into the history of um who said that we should be called this or who said that we should be called that. Um, through my journey of getting knowledge, God, as I retain information, um I fact-check this information with different elders that are around me, um, different information from other guys that have been walking uh before me. And um when I look at the nation of guys and earths, um, I think it's very important, especially in this day and time, to understand uh the importance of the earth, you know, um when it comes to Allah's five percent. So um that's more so what I recognize as God.

SPEAKER_00: 3:55

Okay, okay, okay. So now let's let's go into it. D Mecca, you're from D Mecca, okay. Um you know, normally in this on this podcast, we take it from knowledge the born, you know what I mean? So let's let's go back from like the first day, all right. You're born in D Mecca, all right. Well, where and what was that upbringing like? What was your raising like?

SPEAKER_03: 4:21

Well, I was I was actually born, God, May 13th, Mother's Day, 1984, in St. Petersburg, Florida. Okay, my mother was um adolescence at the time, and my grandparents decided to you know put me up for adoption. Just so happened I had a great aunt that was on vacation down in Florida at the time, that's from Detroit, and she was like, yo, we're gonna bring them back up here with us. We're not gonna let y'all put them up for adoption. So at a very young age, um, I was up in Detroit. My upbringing was kind of uh very religious. You know, I kind of focus on that point since we add on the history of uh me, you know, walking with the guys. I was raised in the Kojik church, you know, Church of God in Christ. And um, I've always been one that asked questions that kind of look beyond the veil, you know, um, of what's being put in front of us. So this energy or this desire to know more, to add on, has always been there. Um, coming up, I was very smart. I got like all A's in school. We got kicked out of school a lot, was you know a problem child. But um, as I grew older, I began to get in trouble, you know, bumped my head. I went to juvenile, and then I ended up going into the penitentiary. While I was in the penitentiary, I went on a little journey because something happened in 2010. I lost my little sister, you know. She succumbed to AIDS, she succumbed to AIDS at the age of 19, and um, I really had no understanding about it because you know that disease really disintegrated her body, man. Like she lost 180 pounds, she went blind, you know, they had to put feed and tubes in her stomach and stuff. And I was incarcerated at the time, and you know, I was looking for refuge. So the first thing I did is I went and I began to read like a lot of spiritual text guide. Like I read the Bible from front to back, I began to study the uh study the Bhagavad Gita, I began to study with the Moors in the Circle Seven. Um, I stayed in nation service, you know, uh reading study guides and learning about different things, but at that time I never really took on any type of um identity, you know. It was more so I'm losing my mind in here and I'm searching for God, you know. Um, and so I just began to read the books. As I began to read, like different things became unlocked to me, and I began to just write. You know, I've been writing before AI. I just wanted to throw that out in just case somebody wants to come back and say it later. But uh I've been writing before AI, I've been writing since the belly guy, and um I began to just question different things that was in the text. And one day I was sitting in the quartermaster guy. That's uh the place where uh you know all the guys in the penitentiary get their clothes and stuff, you know, they come to one place and they get their clothes and stuff. And um, I saw a guy from the streets that I felt like I had a problem with, and I was telling one of the brothers next to me, I said, Man, when you know y'all break and we go out here, man, we're gonna go handle this guy. And he began to tell me, like, you know, man, you can't argue with no seed or try to fight no seed. And I said, Man, you know, seed tree, plum pear, I don't care. Like, I'm I'm going to holler at the brother, you know. And at this time, I didn't know that the terminology of that in that cipher was someone that was studying, you know, like someone that was uh, you know, learning about the honorable Elijah Muhammad, learning about the father, you know, just studying lessons. So when we went out to the back 40 to kind of confront this guy, I met a brother who's my educator, Ra Prem. And, you know, he just asked me, like, what's your name? And I was already going by true, you know, I wasn't um, it wasn't any righteous uh meaning behind it. I was just, you know, a handle or whatever. And he was like, Yo, do you know how much weight the word true holds? And just being honest, God, it was like euphoric from that point on. Like every day I was back at the back 40. Needless to say, we didn't want to fight the little brother no more. But every day I was back at the back 40, and I was knowledgeing degrees, um, drawing them up, you know. And um one thing that stood out to me uh was the culture degree and the uh knowledge through uh knowledge culture. Why do we run Ya'kob and his main devil across the hot Arabian desert? Because I was in a a Greek organization, God, and the rituals of the Greek organization, you know, crawling across the burning sands and all these other things stood out to me. And I kind of asked a brother, Rabild at the time, um, was another brother that kind of introduced me uh, you know, to the teachers before I met my educator. Like, why is this paper saying this? This is something that's like supposed to be a secret, like supposed to be held inside of you know, these Greek mindsets. Why is it saying this? And he began to teach me about uh the honorable Elijah Muhammad and things that nature. And in the beginning, God, I was so spooked out. I'm like, yo, the black man is God. I wouldn't even read certain books, like I wouldn't read Mess to the Black Man, like I wouldn't acknowledge anything. As I began to study 120, the mathematics really unlocked a lot of things for me. Like, I remember on a uh a podcast, like a week or so, I was telling the brother that you know a lot of religious movements give people comfort, you know. Like when you lose a loved one or when you're going through something in life, like some people have been conditioned for so long they need something to pray to, God. You know, um it's a lot of autonomy over here, you know, it's a lot of things that go on that we have to take it through the mathematics, take it through the alphabet, you know, and make it make sense from a logical perspective, like because it's nothing outside of ourselves, there's no spookiness to it. And coming through life, I've always been one that distortedly placed blame on external things of why my life was the way that it was. Oh, the white man, this and the government just setting us up, and this, that, and the fifth. And you know, embracing mathematics allowed me to understand that it's always something on the other side of that equation, it's always something on the other side of that equal sign. So, whatever you line up, whatever you make, you own it, God. You know, and so um embracing that allowed me to fix my life, God, you know, straighten up and just want to do better things for the community. Like, that's a history aspect. I don't want to keep talking. I don't know if you got another question or something.

SPEAKER_00: 10:56

No, no, no, no, no. Keep talking, keep building. That's what we do. We let you out, we let the we let the people build.

SPEAKER_03: 11:03

True indeed. True indeed.

SPEAKER_00: 11:05

So you won't post prison, or you won't you yeah, so you you were flowing, so just keep keep just keep building. So you you you you uh got the knowledge, you wanted to change the life of yourself and people around you, your community at large, uh, keep going from there, build.

SPEAKER_03: 11:25

Trendine. So while I was in, I had this concept, God, and I was like, you know, I study um the community a lot, the different things that you know we as blacks here in America went through. And one thing that stuck out to me was the attack on a black woman. You know, back in the uh 60s and the 70s, she was made to be uh a piece of meat, a product, you know, and I feel like the intelligence in that DNA has transformed, you know, years later. You know, yeah, we had the gods in the late 80s coming trying to, you know, work those rhythms again. Unity, you know, the black woman is the queen, peace. And then, you know, the devil came in and took that and began to take the frequencies elsewhere. But I think that a lot of problems that we face today, the problem is we we try to fight them temporally, like like we don't go to the not etymology, but the etiology, the cause of it, right? The trauma and the peak and the PTSD, some of that that which we don't know of. Like a lot of the youth are being born with this misogynist culture, I mean, parts of God, this misogynist nature, and they don't really understand the intelligence that's in the DNA from slap her down, she's a piece of meat. You feel me? So I came up with this concept, like, yo, the attack was on the black woman first, you know, need to be more programs and resources and things for the sisters, you know. When you look at um, according to governmental statistics, uh, we make up about 13.5 percent here in America. Out of that, 13.5%, 8.6 is women, you know. So when you add the you know, the detrimental statistics to the black man, you know, some of the brothers that don't choose to be with women, um, some of the brothers that, you know, suffer from the incarceration rate, uh, you know, the black-on-black crime, we're looking at probably about five to one guy. So, you know, I said that the um focus, you know, just like the honorable Elijah Muhammad, 1275% of the work, you know, the focus should be on a woman. So I thought about an organization that incited, hang on one second, pardon. So um, we came up with an organization called Fi Cree, and we looked at it from a uh nonprofit perspective. Um, I didn't uh get to graduate from college, God, because uh in my last year of college, I went into the penitentiary for uh conspiracy to bank robberies. That's where I did eight years. Uh that's when I lost my little sister. So while I was in, I did take my uh you know, my college education and put it towards something. I didn't see myself getting out working in the public sector with those felonies, and I didn't see myself getting out waiting uh to activate either. So um we poured into a nonprofit guy, and we never got the female aspect off. Um, however, the male aspect of the nonprofit uh was very lucrative and it was very successful. And the concept came from proper harmonization, increases civilization, righteousness, and education. And it was more so of never was a time this was not. So if we can understand how it always has been a time where the feminine aspect had to algamate with the masculine aspect to bring something into existence, if we could understand that correlation and somehow put that into context today, we'd be all right as a people. So the idea was to create programs, resources, things of that nature that allowed women to reach the pinnacle of success in the urban community, and likewise for the men. Um, so when I came home, a lot of different things happened, and I think just the way it worked, the cream, which we call the male aspect of it, um, just got more stronger than the fire, you know, and we kind of just took off with that. So uh seven years we we started in 2016, God. Um, but for the last seven years, the cream incorporated has donated over 17.6 million in real product stoves, refrigerators, couches, clothes, shoes uh to the community here. Um, three main places, God Detroit, Michigan, Ypsilanti, Michigan, and Inkster, Michigan. Um, we have started over 450 businesses uh from a charitable perspective. You know, the idea of the organization was to take you from A to Z. You know, uh, if you had an idea, we showed you how to monetize that idea, you know, how to put it into the corporate perspective, how to tap into the different grants and resources, uh, what a does number was, uh, how to focus on your business credit, understanding the science behind uh fortifying your website, getting rid of that Gmail and putting a corporate email on there, having a 1-800 number, things that nature, God, like from a package perspective, because so many dollars. I don't really know about the other states and things of that nature, but so many dollars. Um, God, pardon stuff. Let me let me tell my daughter the door is open.

SPEAKER_00: 16:35

She keeps calling before before you get before.

SPEAKER_03: 16:37

I'm listening to you, guys. I ain't going nowhere. I'm just I'm just texting.

SPEAKER_00: 16:41

Well, guess what? We need it. NYP needs a 1-800 number, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 16:45

Oh no, I'm gonna drop everything, G. I'm gonna leave everything in there, man. Um, we actually got some classes coming up that uh a lot of people can come to uh because it's gonna be remote and online. So um we'll make sure that uh you know we shoot the link to you, man, to add on and make it make sense.

SPEAKER_00: 17:03

Now we got one of the more uh saying he's in uh Michigan. Peace. Islam.

SPEAKER_01: 17:10

That's dope, man. That's dope. Beautiful story, man. Beautiful flight, man. Beautiful journey.

SPEAKER_03: 17:16

I don't know. I left off. This girl threw me off. So um, part of self too, guy. The organization, um, you know, like I was saying, it's geared towards taking your ideas from A to Z. Um, a lot of these things we um have done charitable. We've designed over 200 or so sites. Um they got this program called uh a mayor corps, and a mayor corpse sent out these people called Vistas, all right, and so Vistas are like people that are in the administrative field, uh, accountants, uh secretaries, things that nature. So, what Americorps do is they give you like a grant. Let's say the grant is worth$50,000. You are to allocate this money towards the people that come in, and as long as you have like an office space, um, internet, and things of that nature, they will allow you to pay them through the grant. So I wasn't counting numbers or clocking it or anything, uh, but I had deal one for this pastor that's very, very big in Detroit, and my name was like on the application, and then they started looking at the different things we was doing in the community. So in 2023, I was uh the recipient of the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award from uh for uh volunteerism. So that and and you know, guy, I just published a book called uh They Are Among Us, and I hate to switch subjects like this, but I'm just gonna jump right into it. And the subtitle is COINTELPRO Snitches and you know the hidden movement on black power. And the reason I say that, God, is because I don't say I got that award to actually say that we achieved anything, you know. Um, you know, if I'm just being honest, it just sets the bar to a certain level that now every time we do something, we have to jump over that, you know. Um, we have to achieve that. My idea today and my build, you know, and I just want to say this because a lot of different things have been going on on the internet, you know, I got brothers making thumbnails and stuff, and all these other things. And so I just want to kind of say, like, in the beginning, you will know what my build is. So if you have a question about it, then you'll already know what angle I'm I'm coming from. And I I want to say this to kind of paint a picture of the narrative that I see, God, and my duty as a poor righteous teacher. I was watching something, and one of the brothers was saying, Ain't no more prophets coming, ain't no more messengers coming. And for the sake of the argument, some brothers may have fair kinds, some brothers may, you know, walk in the light of the father and say that's his and say that's it, like nobody else is coming. I can kind of see that. Because at the end of the day, we have houses already, you know. Um, we have our uh uh Hebrew Israelite brothers, we have our Moorish brothers, we have our NOI brothers, you know, we have different sects of uh Islam and Muslim brothers, you know, and we we have powerful movements, you know. We got here in Detroit the new era brothers, you know. We can't not say them, you know, because there's no spiritual background to it. Them brothers are making moves in Detroit, and I say that, and they actually all over the whole country, you know. I don't want to box the brother in to just Detroit, the brother Zeke and them are doing great things, but uh you know it's a time for unity, God. Like it's a time for to find that common ground and to add on, you know. I'm not here to, you know, oh brother, do you know your degrees and all this? That I mean, yes, as a rise of passage, every five percent of should know their math, they should know their degrees, they should know their 120 degrees. How else are you using that as a blueprint to navigate through life? But as mathematics and as supreme beings that use mathematics to the highest level, how how do we forget about the 240? How do we forget about the manifestation of your culture? How free is your dumb? What are you doing with this? We can recite degrees all day. What have you added on to? What do you use your degrees to build with? Who have you taught? First two words coming into the culture for me, guy, was showing improving, and they stuck with me, they stuck with me. I mean, we have a whole we have a whole event called what show improve, and so it's cool to be able to recite. I I could teach a parrot 120, you know. What are you doing with your lessons? What are you doing with your lessons, bro? And so I'm not judging a brother, the Moores brother to say, uh uh, have you read the whole circle seven? I'm not judging the NOI brother to say, Do you know all your study God and all your lessons? I'm not even judging a Christian to say, Have you read every scripture? And all I'm looking at what you're doing in life. Allah take the devil off the planet in his own good time. Who am I? We don't have time to look and say, Oh, well, brother, you studying wrong, brother, you praying wrong, brother. You looking at this wrong, it doesn't matter to me. You know, the same way we can look at other things that we don't you don't rock, you don't walk past every rock star and say, I listen to RB and rap all day. Why do you do that? They want us to think that we all different, God. That's the trading post right there. The nation got a bill about the mother plane. No, I ain't about to get spooky and talk about the mother plane, but I have a I have a I have a breakdown of that, God, because they say 1500 small planes, right? I think that's the number. And that's the number they say gonna come out the the the big mother plane, 1500, right? We take it through the math, God, knowledge of power, equality, god. The mother plane in my eyes ain't nothing but the united black mind. Okay, and the 1500 that come out ain't nothing but the different organization, a different movement to take the devil off the planet. God, we are never God. It can't just be the nation, it can't just be the gods, it can't just be the Moors, it can't just be the Hebrew Israelite. Because at the end of the day, if we ever if bro, if we ever come together and find out about them, if we ever just take down a you can't come in this house and put it, man. It's great science in every house, right? That we could be using for our people to add on to and fortify something, man.

SPEAKER_00: 23:40

Makes sense actual real talk, real talk.

SPEAKER_03: 23:43

My daughter called me uh a couple weeks ago, he's up in college, guy, and she called me because she say, Daddy, how do you feel about President Trump? I say, I like what Rick Ross said. We got to destroy before we elevate. I don't feel bad about nothing Trump doing right now, bro. All them years ago, we had PPP, we had EIDL. At any time, you could walk into a grocery gas station, bro, and you could be standing around 600,000. That's how them young brothers was laying back then. They was hitting it 50,000, 70,000, 80,000, and nobody came together, nobody bought nothing, nobody got no grocery stores, nobody got no schools, or Trump is taking this away. So where we could have fed ourselves, nobody added on, indeed.

SPEAKER_00: 24:31

So so now let's take it back to your organization and the accomplishments that your organization has accomplished, and um, I want to go deeper into that. And how were you able to do that? Did you do of course you have a team? How did you assemble the team? Who's a part of the team? Are they all five percenters or are they a mixture of different brothers and sisters?

SPEAKER_03: 24:56

Um, mixture of different brothers, guy. I will say, um, everyone that has walked with me on this journey has knowledge itself. They may not per se uh being a nation of guys and nurses uh from different walks. Um, some of my board members are Moors, um, some of my board members are nation members, some of my board members are just civilized people, you know. Um in the beginning, I had like this phobia guide of like um wanting the organization to move into different heights, but not wanting my felonies and my background and my history to um, you know, hinder any uh movement, you know. So I got with some real educated nerds, like they're gonna be happy I call them nerds, man. Like, like like that's what they were. Like they were nothing like me. Like they didn't have the street aspect, they were just like corporate youngins that was like, yo, this is what I want to do. Today, one of them is a prominent boxer, the other one is uh high up, I won't uh high up in the city council, uh, up in one of the cities that we uh deal with. And the other one is uh the other founder is uh airplane tech, uh Dominic Hamilton, M Y Leonard, and uh Roland Tucson. These are the founders of the Cream Incorporated. Once we started, guy, we kind of just took off. Um, I think our highlight event, it was a lot of murders going on in the city of Ypsilani. And I was like, yo, all the people killing people like can't even buy liquor or cigarettes right now. They're like 15, 16. I said, I know how to get the guns out their hands. Like, let's just go money for them and let's just take them. So they begin to shoot us down. Like, well, you know, we do this all the time. We offer$75 for a pistol and nobody bring one in. I'm like, that's why. I'm like, I want to push the bar up. I want to offer the young brothers four, five hundred for every handgun, seven, eight hundred for every rifle. And if his rifle is high powered or is modified, we'll go up on the price, you know. So I kind of leverage with the businesses in the area. We leveraged with uh it was very socioeconomic guy. We leveraged with the different organizations, uh, city council, we got the mayor behind us. Uh, it was a cat running for uh prosecutor at the time. There was like a lawyer for the mayor in Detroit up there. He kind of jumped behind it. Before I knew it, we had ended up raising like$29,000, you know, and um it was crazy because I think the big thing people was like, is y'all ain't gonna raise the money. And so he raised the money, and then they threw another uh wrench in there. Like the day of the gun buyback, the city or somebody in the city hit us with this whole, or you can't have a large amount of guns in this area, you know, woo woo woo. And so it was a pastor up there, Pastor Mike, the Yps Landing Community Church. He was like, Yo, I ain't tripping, come do it here, you know. So we got with the local police department because I think 75% of us have backgrounds and we're felons, so no way we're supposed to be around that type of thing, anyway. So we had the police on one side of the uh parking lot, and as we filled the box up and paid the young brothers for the guns, you know, we just disposed them to the police. Um, there was a lot of hate groups at the time.

SPEAKER_01: 28:21

I don't know what they were called or who they were, like like white hate group groups, carrying nation.

SPEAKER_03: 28:27

Yeah, yeah, going against our going against our second amendment. Like, I was forced to do like a press conference and kind of just say, like, hey, the problems that we have in the black community with guns, obviously, you don't have in yours. You know, this isn't this isn't a movement to you know take everybody's guns. Obviously, if you're supposed to have your gun, you're not gonna sell your gun. I don't know anyone that's legal and supposed to have a gun that would just sell their gun, you know. So um it kind of worked out, and it was good that the youth um trusted us with their lives per se. You know, they didn't get uh locked up or no handcuffs came out, no names were taken, anything like that. And uh, you know, we got the guns off the streets.

SPEAKER_00: 29:07

So that's what kind of gave us our way. That's amazing, brother. We can't you you saying it like, yeah, yeah, we just got the guns off the street. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 29:17

It was a it was a lot of them, it was a lot of them, too. God, if you go to uh www.thecream.org and look on uh achievements and milestones, you will see, man, we got a lot of guns off the streets, man. You know, who's to say we saved a lot of lives up there. Uh we ended up getting a lot of wind behind that, and I think the next big move for us was out in uh Inkster because we had um at an old brother, man. Uncle Pete actually was in a nation, man, back in like the late 60s, and um, we was doing some community work out there teaching people how to uh start their LLCs, uh S Corps, non profits, how to fortify. And uh we had saw Uncle Pete, and Uncle Pete was like. Yo, y'all need to come help me at my apartment. I got like all these old nation books and stuff like that. And you know, me, I'm like, Yeah, let me go get it. You know, he probably got some stuff we can't buy no more that ain't out there. So we went over there. What we saw was diabolical, man. Like, Uncle Pete paint was coming off the wall, his carpet was messed up, and he's in public housing, so it's like, yo, what are y'all doing? So I kind of took a uh approach to that, and we kind of asked administration, like, what's going on? I think it went for so long, like they didn't even say nothing to us. We just kind of wrote Home Depot, like, yo, we a nonprofit, we got some elderly people that need their stuff fixed, you know. Uh, can we get some supplies? They gave us flooring, paint, all this stuff, and a lot of us didn't even know what we was doing. Shout out to YouTube and Google, man. So we uh went up in there, man, and kind of fixed this place up. I think the executive director was getting a lot of heat, right? Yo, who was this nonprofit coming in doing what you supposed to be doing, you know, with the money that you're getting from HUD or whatnot? Who are they? So he kind of cornered me in. And I was a little naive and young, and looking at the money and not really understanding what he was doing. It's kind of like he was putting me up on the shelf, right? Like, well, if we give them an avenue and give them a lane, they'll shut up. But you know, little old me coming out of the prison, God, not really seeing nothing. 1.5 million for a contract for seven months was really good for me, you know. So we signed the contract, man, and it kind of you know pushed us out the way from the political standpoint. But we was able to help the brothers and sisters that we wanted to help anyway because we we began to get bids, we we began to turn apartments for uh extra housing. A lot of people end up leaving and going to different places, so then before you know it, we was in with Detroit housing, and then we was in with uh Mount Clemens housing, and we did something very clever where we took the LLC and we said the nonprofit owns it outright, you know. So we were able to operate everything through the nonprofit, henceforth, giving more people jobs. Um, it was a brother, um Dino Van. He got an organization called Steep, where he was training brothers like as you worked and as you did things, you got certified and qualified, you know. So that was like our next big little wave. During that tenger, we had um acquired a building for like it was it was like 7,000 square feet uh over in southwest Detroit. And at this time, I had contracts with Amazon, Ferguson, Nike, Skills, Home Depot.

SPEAKER_00: 32:36

Hold on, hold on. You running a lot now now. Okay, now how are you? I was waiting on your questions, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. I would not you going, you going, that's peace. But now like I'm super interested in what you're saying because NYP has NYP and also a not-for-profit. NYP has a non-for-profit, so now you're saying the the not-for-profit basically controlled the LLC. How is that what you said? Subsidiary? He said true indeed.

SPEAKER_03: 33:09

Yeah, so then it's considered a disregarded entity. Don't worry, guy. We're gonna do the first recording October 18th. We we we dropping all that. We we dropping all that, yeah, man. We're dropping all that, and and and and particularly, um again.

SPEAKER_00: 33:27

I gotta uh shout out a cat. Thank you for the 10. Thank you, you've been you've been you've been donating today. That's peace. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01: 33:36

Appreciate you. Celebrate you.

SPEAKER_03: 33:39

Yeah, so it's um you know that's the that's the gap, God. Like that's the like that's the gap between us really getting to where we need to be. You know, I'm I'm all about um you know making a living, you know, uh actually, you know, getting paid for the intelligence that we can emit. However, I see power in us all being on the same playing field. You know, I'm a I'm a I'm a consultant, guy. So at the end of the day, if I'm a consult with you, it helps me not to start your business and leave you there because then you don't have enough money to make to pay me for the next level we need to go to. The objective is to keep helping you rise, you know, until you reach that pinnacle. Because not that all true trying to do nah, it ain't that. You have to understand that in this world, that's what you have to do. In the corporate world, this is what you have to do. You have to get an accountant, you might have to hire people to push documents, you know. You may have to have people going out filing different things for you or filing liens on different companies, putting systems together for you, designing your website, like you have to have a team, right? You know, so we always put people in that mindset, and um that's the big gap, God, you know. Um, and we're teaching it all, man. Like how to not pay taxes on homes if you own it. You own this home all right. What are you paying taxes for? You know, we gotta just teach her how to learn and move in her in a proper entity. You know, we have to learn how to you know put these moves through the different funnels that allows us this tax break, you know. Um, the leverage that we teach and that we advocate God is simple leverage, you know. You know, we all like watching mob movies, man. And you know, one thing that really stuck out to me with the mob that people looked at was you know evil or insidious. I really looked at them as making you know a way for their own, you know, and the government knew it was so big, man. What they call it, extortion, right? But you couldn't just move into their neighborhoods, man, and take their money from their children and what they raising, man, and take it out elsewhere, bro. You had to pay your dues, bro. And it was like today, we don't know how to ask. Like, I'm not saying let's go out and press anyone, right? But there's corporate responsibility for every for-profit entity, right? If you're in a neighborhood, man, you're supposed to care about the people that's coming to buy from you, you know. Brother, ask me a question is the white man, the the you know, the colonizer. I say, nah, man, you know, and I ain't gonna talk about nobody on your show, man. But let's just do the knowledge, man. We buy too many cigarettes, too many blunts, too many bottles of liquor, too much gas, too much crispy chicken, all these things, bro, for them not to even pour back into the community, bro. Right, you know what I'm saying? Like at the end of the day, no community should be suffering when there's corporate entities that's feeding off of you, sucking off of you, and making a living for themselves. I mean, hell, they won't even hire me. But if my sister got some in her pants, she can work the lottery machine, it's just crazy, bro. And you know, I try to build with my young brothers, not to you know, start any type of war, make them feel no type of way, but the irony that you will kill someone that moves on your block and infringes on your way of life by selling something. But before you go shoot him up, walk to the corner and get a slap wood and tell him, What's up, my nigga? He's not even black, and then get back into your car and go do crime or don't go do harm to your own. That's diabolical, bro. It's some type of cognitive discord there, bro. You know, to allow these things to go on in the neighborhoods without addressing them. So we teach community trust. We teach that there should be ones in the community that creates an entity, there should be ones in the community that creates an entity, and these entities should lock in with all the for-profits, right? And the way you do it is that for every incentive that they give, you give them a tax write-off because you make your trust tax exempt. And so, you know, and and I talked to a lot of Arabic and Chaldean brothers, man, and they say, you know, true, we we we we want to help, but I'm just gonna be honest with you. Are you gonna wake up and come to work on time? Are you gonna not smell like we like all these other things, right? And so it's like, okay, we don't gotta work for you, we don't gotta, you know, uh uh uh uh infringe on your way of life, but if we are your number one suppliers of energy, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, period, like they don't pump without us, man, right? You know, and a lot of them don't even like us, they just kind of deal with us, you know. And that's the next part of my story, God, because the 7,000 square. Well, first we got kicked out of yankster. You know, I didn't I didn't have a lot of security about this. I was I was real naive on the hand coming when little old me was doing and busting little moves and stuff. So, you know, we had these big companies that had more trucks and more contractors and more things they could do that uh kind of pushed us out the bid aspect out at Inkster at this time though, we were getting major grants. Man, I'm talking about like if you look at I think like over a period of like five years, man, we racked there, probably 3.7 million guys. So just in grants from United Way, uh the awesome foundation, like just different entities that was just pouring into it. So I make Amazon well, not make, let me humble myself. I would work something out with Amazon, and they would send a truck, guys. This truck have 24 pallets on it. That like the monetize, like like the monetary value of the truck, got maybe 250,000. You know, and um we just pull up to neighborhoods, god, and we'll have brochures, you know. Propaganda was big for me, you know. We're giving away a TV here, sister. Take this, it's a class going on. You know, we're giving away a pair of shoes here, brother. Take this. It's a class going on, you know. Uh refrigerators, stoves, couches, you know. Um, I basically told the big corporations like, hey, y'all got all this product sitting that y'all getting taxed for that y'all just throw away at a certain point because your 2025 TV came out, you just throw away the 2021. Nah, I give you market value for it. Just let me give it to my people, you know. Like, let me bless somebody with this stuff, man. And um, that program got really, really, really, really, really big, you know. And um that's kind of how we got our notoriety from that, you know. Um, I don't know, guy. I'm ready for your questions, G, for real.

SPEAKER_01: 40:33

Like, I'm not ready to put a lot right there.

SPEAKER_00: 40:36

I mean, I mean, you're building right now, you know. I mean, so we we just letting you, we just letting you go. Now, I have a whole lot of questions. Um, the first, I mean, where do we start? Um, I wanted you to keep building what other accomplishments you you brothers uh uh uh accomplish besides that? You know, you you had no. I mean, what do you what kind of questions, how do you approach these companies? You know, do you go with documentation first? Do you send emails? Do you have someone send an email to get these deals?

SPEAKER_03: 41:14

Um, I think that's a bill guy that um you know we can definitely tap into. I ain't trying to be a gatekeeper, I'm just trying to be conscious of time, and then I don't want to quantum leap and um you know, put too much without the foundation either, you know. So um I will say everyone is different, different, you know. Um, people always say, I need to hire a grant, right?

SPEAKER_00: 41:35

The states will vary too.

SPEAKER_03: 41:37

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, states vary to us to a certain extent because when you speak about 501c3, this is a uh a national organization, you know. So from a so from a from from a if they give you money, it's a hundred percent tax write-off perspective. That's from you know, all states, you know. Um, some states individually will require you to register your nonprofit in uh different areas. You know, I have saw that, like uh Chicago, uh, and see Medina. We uh when I went out there with the nonprofit, we had to register with the state and let them know hey, we are a nonprofit, even though we filed articles and all of that, it was a different division that you had to register with, let them know that you are a nonprofit. Um, you know, always teach God, just put into your head like if they're making money, it's an angle of how they it's something charitable where they can get the tax right off. Because if you're making money, you're paying taxes, you know. Um, and when it comes to the urban community, I mean that's the approach there, God. Like, period, like every community takes care of, I mean, parts of every business takes care of the community that that they're in, you know, and we just have to give them a reason why. Um, the biggest problem I see people run into is because they have a pseudo company, and what I mean when I say that, you don't have a company just because you file articles and you have an EIN. Okay, like that's not efficiently running the business, you know. There's marketing, there's banking, there's business credit, you have to incorporate systems of acumen, which means you got to be pivotal, man. You gotta you gotta roll with the times because they teach daily, right? So we have to move daily, we have to show and prove daily, guy, and everything is always changed. You have to keep up with the tax codes, you know, you have to keep up with the different regulations. Um, you should be uh registered with your chamber of commerce, you know. Um, I don't know about any other state, but in Michigan, um, there's over uh 500 million dollars that go untouched yearly. But you hear this mantra on a lower level, they don't do nothing for the community because the burden is on the churches, the burden is on the 501c3s, the burden is on the organizations to tap into the monies and provide these things for the for the for the community. Yeah, you know what I mean. You can't expect the governor to come down and pass out chicken all day, you know what I'm saying? You can't, you know, these the the these politicians to step into that field. So our objective is to make sure that the businesses, the organizations, the movements are fortified to a point to where you can tap into these things, you know. Um, the the major question on a every grant uh application is what's your website? Because they about to go to your website, man, and they about to see do you have different uh uh um what is it? Uh um um different clauses in your bylaws that operate as a nonprofit. How can they ensure that if they donate you 10,000, it ain't just going to one person and it's really going towards the cause? What do you have in play if someone goes against that? What do you, you know, who are your directors? What is the governmental setup of that? You know, like they want to see that on a website. What have you done? You know, I know a lot of clients that get denied because they got NY, and this ain't guy. I don't know if yours is this, I'm just using you as an example, okay? NY NYP, whatever, at gmail.com. That's tacky, you know. You know what I'm saying? Because the first thing the grant people think is that you don't even take your business serious. You feel me? You don't want to pay two dollars and fifty cents a month, or if you're a nonprofit, it's free, but you want to pay two dollars and fifty cents a month to say contact us at domainp.com or info at nyp.com. These are certain things that get you denied off top. There is no set uh uh way or rules for how you approach a grant. You know, some things that we do in the beginning with the nonprofits and movements is that we create an operating agreement because nine times out of ten, every question that they're gonna ask you on a grant is the operating agreement, you know. Is it is inside I've already been parcel. One second, answer that question. You can sit there.

SPEAKER_01: 46:03

That's crazy, Rob. We spoke about that. Remember when we were doing par, they mentioned that to us?

SPEAKER_03: 46:07

So the documentation um be like, man, the brother, the brother, the brother true is very unprofessional, man. He uh having conversations, cooking chicken and stuff on the show, par self guy. But um, you know, this certain documentation that that that you have lined up in the way that you come, this allows you to achieve any grant God. You know, I tell the sisters, man, like if you're single and you're a black woman and you had an LLC in your name, a S-corp in your name, a nonprofit in your name, it's money's out there for you. You know, and this has nothing to do with your credit, it has nothing to do with how much money you have in the account. It's the fact that you have a 501c3 and you have a vision with this 501c3 that people will love to get behind. America is a philanthropist, is a it's is a philanthropist country, man.

SPEAKER_01: 46:58

For real. Right now, what were you saying, Mike? No, I was trying because the brother was flowing, so I'm gonna go ahead. Um, every district in the city gets a certain hearing. Oh, you can't hear me? Can you hear me? Can I hear me now?

SPEAKER_00: 47:09

Yeah, I can I can hear you. I can hear you.

SPEAKER_01: 47:11

I said every every um district. Remember um the brother was telling us that Musa? Every every yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just that people don't even know about that, how to grab that money, like 300 something thousand like a a year. Right. It goes unclaimed.

SPEAKER_00: 47:32

And peace, peace, uh rah, Rasan Allah, peace for our son of law. Uh the science we build it on, uh, we're building on business, we're building on grants with the God true Johnny Allah. Peace.

SPEAKER_03: 47:53

I can hear you, God. I can't hear uh what the brother asked up top. I can't hear any audio on it. I know my microphone.

SPEAKER_01: 47:59

Can you hear me now? Can you hear? Let me try to log off, log back in.

SPEAKER_00: 48:03

No, I I can hear you though. I can hear you. I can't hear him. What is he asking, G? He's asking uh I forgot. What did you ask? Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 48:12

But I was saying every every every year, a district and within a certain city or state gets a certain amount of funds.

SPEAKER_00: 48:19

Every year for government every every every district in in New York's New York state has a certain amount of funds allotted for uh not-for-profits in the community, in the community, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 48:34

Yeah, ain't no question. Not just uh, I mean, it goes it goes to every level, guys, city, state, government, you know, um, it's money's out there, you know. Um, and it ain't it isn't just the uh grant aspect, you know. We we've had much success uh collaborating with restaurants in the area, um, different businesses in the area that may want um tax write-offs that um give us days or things of that nature, you know, is you know, it's different sponsors, God, um, for things like we collaborate with um the sports teams. Um when the piston season is around, God, we probably I don't know, man. Uh and it's sad. I like I probably should. I don't know if someone knows inside the organization. I I'm gonna say at least 700 families, God, we send yearly to Detroit Pistons games. You know, this isn't any money out of our pocket. This is Detroit Pistons donating a certain amount of tickets. The Detroit Pistons do a very great job um with the nonprofits in the community.

SPEAKER_00: 49:38

Yeah, we gotta build because uh uh we always say it. This uh platform, this media platform, is basically like a baby that comes from our organization, which is Project African Restoration. It's a not-for-profit that we created around 2020. And um, you know, we were we were talking about all of this stuff, you know what I'm saying? And uh, you know, you're you're a living example of you know the fact that we can make this thing really pop and happen, you know what I'm saying? Um they late it ain't come, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 50:26

Yeah, man. No, guys, I was saying though, I didn't hear what the brother has said up up top. You um uh can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_01: 50:38

I don't think he can hear me.

SPEAKER_00: 50:39

I can I can hear you, but why he can't hear uh why he can't. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 50:43

I can't oh no, no, I just heard him now. Go ahead, guy. Bill, what was your question? I'm sorry, Pete.

SPEAKER_01: 50:47

No, you're good, you're good. I was saying every every um nope, as we said earlier, every state.

SPEAKER_03: 50:51

I heard, I don't know, and then he went out on the man.

SPEAKER_01: 50:53

Gotta I'm gonna log back on. I'm gonna log out log back in run. I don't know, maybe can you mind on his end? What'd you say? You hear me? I can hear you.

SPEAKER_03: 51:03

Yeah, I can't hear him. That's crazy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 51:06

Um, so basically, what he what he was saying is that every every state or uh every district in a state in your state has uh uh money that is supposed to be allocated to not-for-profits. That's all he was saying.

SPEAKER_03: 51:26

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, absolutely true indeed. Yep, and I think I responded and said, like um, it's opportunities on the city, state, and governmental level. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 51:36

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03: 51:37

Um, is he familiar with looking up grants that most cities offer on their websites for the youth, the homeless, drug rehabs, etc., as part of the 10, 15, 20 plans. Um, I'm not sure what 10, 15, 20 plans are. Um, a few of the things that you named on there is interesting, like the homeless, right? Um, anything, any entity dealing with the homeless, I like to call them plug-in entities because uh it's kind of like once you start those, it's already programs or monies that's ready to pour into you as long as you come in the right capacity because you're dealing with the homeless. Same thing as women's shelters, um, AFC homes, veterans' homes, uh, transitional homes, things of that nature. I like to call them plugins because it's like once you create that and you move in the right capacity, there's monies and there's opportunity out there for you. Um, as far as the youth go, uh, there's always things going on for the youth year-round, rolling. Um, it just depends on what angle you're coming from. Are you coming from a uh literary uh literacy standpoint? Are you coming from an entertainment standpoint? Uh you know, happy love and life and living, or you know, are you trying to educate them? 15, 15, 20 year plans for the future, the city's infrastructure and expansion. Uh, what city is that in? And then the drug rehabs, you know, obviously this big opioid thing uh going on. So it's always gonna be monies out there for um that type of uh you know resources and support.

SPEAKER_00: 53:14

Well, uh, you know, we got a brother by the n in New York by the name of Hocus Four Fifth. Um, he started something called the Drop the Flag Challenge, um, and someone was telling him on a live he should uh uh copyright that and um you know drop the flag is basically drop your gang flag and all that. So, how do you think he should go about doing that if you had to give give him some advice to turn that into like a non-for-profit or something bigger?

SPEAKER_03: 53:45

Um, that's I mean, I'm I mean, that's another rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00: 53:47

I would I would definitely um the name of his platform is the rabbit hole. Yeah, good. Yeah, I mean that's because that's a big rabbit hole, right?

SPEAKER_03: 53:54

So I would I would um definitely have to consult with the guy and um just see where he at with it and what his aspirations is because um that's something that we like to call in the cream anamorphous, uh meaning like uh multiple streams can come in and multiple things can happen. Um I don't know if copyright is the proper thing, maybe patent or uh somehow draw up what it is that he's seeing, maybe do a trademark like on that. Um, and and and I'm just speaking off the top of my head from what you've given me. I don't know you know all of the details about um what it is that he wants to do. I would just say that um insignia is very big, you know, drawing up the meaning or the vision that you see for your organization or your movement inside this particular insignia, and then you know, trademarking and patenting that every city and our county has a plan. The amount of years depend on each respective city and county. Okay, and your question was am I familiar with it?

SPEAKER_00: 55:01

No, I'm not okay, okay. All right, well, that was peace, God. Um, I wanna I wanna uh Almighty Prayers, peace of truth, true Johnny. How many people are involved in this not for not for profit? Almighty prayers, is that uh God supreme? Almighty prayers, is that God supreme? Did I ask you that already, Almighty Prayers? Is that God supreme, the God that I know from now? Why from years ago? Let me know. Is that God supreme? Um, how many uh people are involved in your not-for-profit?

SPEAKER_03: 55:40

Um member wise or I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 55:44

That's that's just a question. Uh how many people are in your in I don't know. Um wow.

SPEAKER_03: 55:56

Oh wow this nigga stay in section eight with a white girl.

SPEAKER_00: 55:59

Uh yo goodbye.

SPEAKER_03: 56:01

Yeah, yo, no man, let it hey, hey, listen, let it hey, let it come, man. That's peace, but you know, uh, we ain't gonna we ain't gonna you know focus on that, man. We gonna uh just outbuild me, man. Wherever I stay, and I damn sure nothing I know white girl, I don't eat no pork, right?

SPEAKER_00: 56:21

So, you know, on that note, God, let's let's close out. Uh, we would like for you to keep coming up and building on you know what you got going on and um other things. Um, I'm I'm glad to have you up here. Great build. I gotta rewind that, you know, and and and learn more for myself. A lot, it's a lot of information. Yeah, just from your example, and uh we'll we'll continue to build. Thank you to everybody on the chat, even the uh agent provocateurs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 56:52

They keep it coming. Like somebody get their man's dog.

SPEAKER_00: 56:58

Yo, peace, everybody in the chat. Thank you for coming out, and we're out of here. Yo, Mike, I gotta talk to you.