Koran Questions for Moorish Americans- Cozmo El

Who gets to name you—and what does that name unlock? We dig into why “Moorish American” isn’t a trend but a nationality with real lineage, legal standing, and a living culture. From the fall of Granada to the Atlantic world, we trace how Moors shaped knowledge, trade, and society, and how their descendants in America can locate themselves beyond labels like Negro, black, colored, or African American.

We break down the etymology of “Moor,” connecting Greek and Latin forms to older Egyptian roots, not as wordplay but as a coherent map of meaning across time. That map leads to land, a flag, and a creed. You’ll hear the difference between Morocco’s interlaced star and the flat green star on our flag, why the star sometimes appears inverted under distress protocol, and how the five principles—love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice—move from symbolism into daily practice.

Law is where identity meets consequence. Nationality is a human right under international law and determines political status at home. We unpack how auxiliary categories have historically placed so-called black people under exceptional legal regimes, why recurring voting rights extensions signal a deeper status problem, and how Islamism—as a codified religious practice—secures free exercise protections that matter in real scenarios. Along the way, we talk garb, craft, and the recognizable Moorish ethos that commands respect without imitation.

If you care about history, sovereignty, and practical rights, this conversation offers clarity and tools. Listen, share with someone who’s wrestling with identity, and tell us what you’re reclaiming next. Subscribe, leave a review, and join the community moving from labels to a living nationality.

Chapters

• 0:00 Greetings And Setup
• 1:19 NYP Talk Show Mission And Support
• 2:10 Framing “Moorish American” As Nationality
• 5:27 Social Constructs Versus National Names
• 9:45 Moorish Roots: Spain, Morocco, And West Africa
• 15:30 Etymology Of “Moor” And Ancient Links
• 20:40 Hyphen, Grammar, And Dual Heritage
• 23:20 Why Nationality Matters In Law And Rights
• 30:10 Flag History, Distress Protocol, And Differences
• 36:45 Moroccans, Identity Debates, And Diaspora
• 42:20 Uplifting Fallen Humanity: Scope And Culture
• 49:20 Being Ourselves: Garb, Ethos, And Craft
• 55:10 Islamism, Divine Creed, And Legal Protections
• 1:00:05 Closing Thanks And Support Reminder

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:00

I actually thought of Oh pardon me, Moore. I didn't know you were you was you were still talking. I just turned it.

SPEAKER_03: 0:15

No, all is good. All is good. Go ahead, Mo. Let's demonstrate.

SPEAKER_02: 0:18

Right. First off, Islam, Islam. Islam to all the Moors out there. We're going over to, we're going over to we're going over the Quran questions for Moorish Americans. We're gonna uh this is a series we're doing. Um, you know, I like to I like to keep the teachings as pure as I can keep them on this platform. Um so you know, Cosmo L, uh we have him in the building this evening. How you doing, Cosmo L?

SPEAKER_03: 0:46

Islam, all is truly well, my brother. How are you, Mo?

SPEAKER_02: 0:51

Uh life is good. Life is good. I'm so focused I had to uh uh uh delete my social media.

SPEAKER_03: 0:58

All right, all right. I got a lot of fasting.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01

I got a lot of studying to do. A lot of studying to do right now. Um, so let's go into it. Before we go into it, we gotta play the commercial. Uh hold on one second. I don't know. Okay, we gotta play the commercial. We gotta we gotta do this commercial now, guys. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19

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SPEAKER_02: 2:09

All right, all right. So, Moore, we're gonna go into the Quran questions uh for Moorish children. And um, I think we left off Newark, New Jersey. I think that's where we left off, if I'm not mistaken. And if we didn't, we could just start from there, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_03: 2:34

I think we started off with um, I mean, I think we left off with uh Moorish American, and we were explaining uh consanguinity and uh uh Juice, but we can definitely uh if you want to pick it up from uh oh no, let's pick it up, let's pick it up for where where we where we uh left off.

SPEAKER_02: 2:54

So, what is uh his nationality Moorish American? What is your nationality Moorish American? I want to talk about this. Moorish American, right? Because Moorish American, that uh term, right, if you for lack of a better term, uh would be it's controversial, right? Because, you know, we came in so many names in the past. You know, we came in the name of uh Negro, black, colored, uh African American, uh Islam. You there, Mo? Oh, you went out. Yeah, so I wanted I wanted to discuss this. He'll come back in. I wanted to discuss this, you know, this term Moorish American, um, because you know, I think it's a controversial term uh that you know we need to really unpack for people to have an understanding of you know what this really is, right? Um there's a lot of misconceptions, and so I want to clear out the misconceptions about uh uh being a Moorish American. I just oh, he's back. All right, hold on one second.

SPEAKER_03: 4:07

Somebody called and it somebody called and it just when I tried to go back to video, I wouldn't go back to video. But you were saying, my brother?

SPEAKER_02: 4:14

So I was saying that you know the the name the term Moorish American has a lot of uh uh uh controversy behind it, right? Because we came in so many names, right? Negro, black, color, uh now more recent since the 80s, I believe. I think uh um what's his name, Reverend Jesse Jackson made African American or coined the phrase and made it what it is, made it what it is to this day. So um there's so much an issue uh surrounding our hold on, peace, brother. Appreciate what you're doing for the people. Peace be on to you, peace, brother, peace to you, brother. Uh let me just put that up there. Just make sure you recognize, brother. Peace to you, thank you, brother. Um, so now Moorish American, why Moorish American? Because we are the descendants of Moroccans born in America. Now that's controversial, controversial within itself as well. So if you could kind of explain what is what is his nationality, which is noble draw lead, Moorish American, we can go over that uh question and answer, that'll be peace.

SPEAKER_03: 5:27

Islam, so well, first what we have to understand is that uh terms like Negro, black, colored, Ethiopian, and in modern times African American, uh, these are all social constructs. These uh, with the exception of uh African American, which is more of a modern social construct, uh, these other ones were chattel terms, meaning they all delude to slavery, meaning we didn't come over here black. Black is, you have to realize the Spanish were the first to uh begin the caste system and the slave system uh with the Spanish La Costas. And in that uh particular system, the lowest on the totem pole in that uh society was negro. So when the English came, uh they adopted that same caste structure and they just used the English word for Negro, which is black. Uh however, uh this was not our national name prior to the advent of slavery, nor was colored. And when we get into it, it says uh colored, anything painted, stained, varnished, or died. Uh Negro was a river in West Africa named by the Moors because it contained black water and black, according to science, means death. So these were not genuine terms for our people. Now, because people didn't uh adopt the Moorish American, which was brought by Nobu Juwali, you had Jesse Jackson later on uh coining the phrase African American, uh at least trying to connect us with the continent, but not realizing that there are many nations in Africa. So it's still not a nationality. Uh Nobu Juwali says we're descendants of Africa, but that doesn't cover nationality. That covers descendant nature, but the nationality aspect of it is well, what particular nation did we uh come from? What was our our national name before any of these other terms? Africa's continent. And so um when we go back and we realize that who were the first people to step and start beginning colonizing Africa? Where did he get Moorish American from? Where did it come from? So we have to look at the first people to be uh enslaved come by way of the Spanish, right? And who did the Spanish enslave first? Moors 1491, the fall of Granada. The Moors who could not ransom themselves and get back to West Africa, uh in Morocco, uh Algeria, uh Mauritania, all of these areas over there, um, they were the first to be enslaved by Spain. Pardon me. So the first slaves to be exported to the Americas were indeed Moors. Well, where did these Moors come from? We know that General Tariq, uh who the Rock of Gibraltar is named after, was a Moroccan. We know that the Moors who came, who led the charge to invade Spain, came from Morocco. Uh, so it's really not a uh a hard thing to realize. When you look at um where you say, well, slaves came from all over Africa. Well, let's let's analyze that. We know that West Africa, which was encompassed Morocco, was a lot bigger than it is right now. When we say Morocco, people think the modern day state of Morocco, which got its independence in 1956. And that is that is not what we're referring to. We're referring to ancient Morocco all the way up until 7-Eleven when General Tariq went into Spain. The Moors conquered Spain and ruled Spain for 700 years and it became the light of the world. But when we look at the West Coast of Africa in general, at one point in time it was known as the Gold Coast. Well, why was it known as the Gold Coast? Because the commodity coming from that coast was gold. At another time it was known as the ivory coast. Why? Because the commodity coming from that coast at that time was ivory. Another time it was known as what? The slave coast, because the commodity of that time were slaves. So there was nobody that came and brought and reconnected us, not just with our um continent, but with our actual nation. And uh, so this is where where more comes from. I also like to point out that when you read uh Stolen Legacy, George G. M. James, he lets you know that the uh uh the Moors were the inheritors of the ancient Egyptian mystery system. After uh the Egyptian mysteries were closed, uh the uh ancient adepts fled into Northwest Africa. Uh they fled into uh uh namely Mauritania, which was part of Morocco back then. Um, and they went into Asia and went into parts of Arabia. And he says that the Moors carried the splendor of African culture with grandeur into Morocco. So then, so after Egypt fell in the 600s, 100 years later, in 711, the Moors rose with the knowledge of the ancient world and became the light of the world again for seven to eight hundred years. But they make you think the fall of Egypt was way back in some ancient times, and you hear Egypt, and then you don't hear anything else but slavery after that. So what he did was tap into this piece of history. He tapped into something that connected us with the land, a flag and a culture, and was genuinely had had historical ties and evidence. Black doesn't tie us to a land, a flag, or a culture, no historical evidence. Negro doesn't, unless you're talking about slavery and the Spanish La Costas and the English uh caste system, nor does African American. It's way too new. It comes from Jesse Jackson, so it can't be genuine, you know. So uh no other terms that were brought return to us our identity that can be traced back through history. When you look up more, you're gonna find yourself. And uh so I'll just stop there. That's that's more, but Moorish American comes because, and I'm not saying all Moors come from slavery, I'm just giving a historical standpoint that most of our people can relate to because their narrative is that we come from Africa, we come from slaves, so on and so forth. Uh, American is obvious. We're descendants of Moroccans, ancient Moroccans, which I just explained, uh, and born in America. And in the earlier broadcast, I spoke on two uh key concepts when it comes to nationality and citizenship. Juice, excuse me, juice sanguineus or consanguinity, which is the bloodline, and then also juice, which is the connection to the soil. So within that term Moorish, you're dealing with the consanguinity, the bloodline, the juice, and then you're dealing with birthrights of uh being born on the soil of America.

SPEAKER_02: 13:18

Okay. Now, what would you say to people who say, you know, the European gave us the name Moore?

SPEAKER_03: 13:30

Well, I would say they need to read my book, Myrrh to More Kemet, until now, because in the book Myrrh to More, I trace the etymology, phonology, morphology, and phonology of the English word more. Now, no doubt, English word more is an English word, but we're speaking English. So it wouldn't make sense for the prophet to come with an Arabic word or uh a Swahili word or any other word. We're speaking English. Our people didn't know that. English is the word for our people more, but when you trace that word more back, back in the day, uh you had those from the uh the black so-called black scholars who said, well, more comes from Rome, right? Because when you just go to a dictionary, which is updated and revised and written over and over and over, that's what you're gonna see. But that's in modern times. If you go a little bit further, you're gonna see that the word more comes from the Greek. And uh under the word Mar. And in essence, the Romans got it from the Greeks. The Romans got everything from the Greeks, they got their culture from the Greeks. But where did Greek get their culture? Where did the Greeks Greek get their knowledge? From ancient Egypt, right? So they've already done it, it made it easy for me because when you study the etymology, they already did the etymology of the word more back to Greek. But what they tell you is more is cognate to black. Cognate does not mean that it means black, it means it's related to the word. But then, and you can go to edema online dictionary for simple reference, it tells you that this meaning only comes in late Greek. Well, what was the early Greek definition of it? It was related to love, which is where the Latin amor comes from. And when we go into Kemet, we see this word myrrh. And this word myrrh that means love. It's where the Greek got it from. There's also another word myrrh that means uh custodian and uh uh ruler and governor, and it aligns with what brother George G J uh uh George G. M. James said. Now you say, well, that's myrrh. How is that related to more? Because when you're dealing with the uh etymology of the ancient language, you remove the vows because the vowels change. That's why the ancient Mar in Greek M-A-U-R is M-O-O-R today. But what stays constant are the consonants. So when you look at the word myrrh within the word myrrh, m r and then yeah, you have variations of that all throughout Egypt. Mr, marr, more, they all go back to the M and the R. Pardon me, there's a uh plane coming. So now you could say, well, well, you might say, well, yes, the phonics line up, uh, but that's just the sound. How does how does that relate? And this is a mistake that our people made throughout the conscious community, just aligning the phonics, and because the phonology lines up, just running with it, like, oh, this must mean this. So that's why I did the semantics, the morphology, and the etymology of it, and it lines up on all points. The definition of myrrh is the same as marr, which is the same as more in English. The phonology is the same of myrrh, marr, and more uh absent the vowels. The morphology is the same because you can trace it from the ancient Egyptian or ancient cometic up through the uh Indo-European language all the way into the Latin and all the way into the modern English. So, for anyone interested in that, which I know it sounds a little bit complex as I speak it, but it's very simply put in the book with charts and various proofs, Myrrh to more, Kemet and Tim Lao. And one interesting note about this book, when I first came out with my first book, uh, more is what they didn't teach you in black history class. The Amin Ra Squad, I don't know if you remember the A'min Ra Squad, you know, back then, they tried to attack my book. They put my book on there and they started talking about it, and they were like, oh yeah, and more is Roman and goes back to the Roman. So I was gonna do a video, but I said, you know what, I'm gonna write a book and end all of this. And when I wrote that book, Murder Moore came in until now, and I put that on the market. You rarely, rarely, rarely, rarely hear anybody from any of those circles now saying that more is Roman and more is Greek, because they know now. And anybody that does say it is either got a hold of some old information or they haven't read my book. So um that's what I would say. It it goes in more detail. Murder more Kim and Until now. You can find it at Amazon and it'll break it all down for you.

SPEAKER_02: 18:49

That's peace. Now, um, American, the hyphenated part, and then American. So, what is the hyphen? Why a hyphen in between American? Just like how we have to have our names, like you know, like cosmo hyphen L.

SPEAKER_03: 19:09

Islam, well, it's basic grammar. Uh hyphen joins two words, all right. Um, you could you if you were to do it without the the hyphen, it can still have the same meaning, but it can have another meaning. Because when you have a word in front of another word, it denotes possession. So you'd be saying Moorish of the American. The of is missing, but it's understood in in language. So it's it's just simple grammar hyphenating, joining two words, two concepts so that uh to bring about a meaning because, and to separate it so that one can understand we're dealing with two concepts in in one uh word or phrase. We're dealing with the uh the juice sanguus and the juice. It has two different aspects. Uh, but if you think about it, um it's very simple. You know, you have Irish American, Mexican Americans, uh, Chinese Americans, is to let people know what type of American, because American is anybody who's born on the soil has birthrights to the soil. So that Moorish, that Irish, that English, that that Mexican, whatever it is, lets you know what that bloodline is. And everybody has that except the black American. They've been blacked out. Uh, nobody respects that term that has a nationality because it does not trace to a bloodline. Um, you might say it's it can be related in the uh, or as we talked on your other show, in regards to the black carbon atom, and as the brother explained, it it has a deeper meaning. We're only dealing with nationality and bloodline.

SPEAKER_02: 21:04

Indeed, indeed, indeed. So now um to go into uh nationality, what is a nationality? So, what is the purpose of a nationality? I mean, does it really have any um uh uh you know um impact in our lives and you know in in society?

SPEAKER_03: 21:30

Having a nationality itself or not? Well, without going into anything too deep, because I want I want the people to be able to understand this. Nationality is a right. Are people always talking about rights? So if we if it's if it's if it's a right, why why wouldn't we want it? Why would we think, oh, it doesn't matter or not? It's a right. Number one, it's a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 15. Number two, it's an indigenous right in the uh DRIP, the Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People, I think it's either five or six. So if these, if these, if this international body and other nations feel the need to uh enumerate this right in their international and political documents, it must be pretty important. And it's a right that that we're supposed to have. Also, your nationality determines your political status in any given country. Uh, Prophet Noble Juali said they place respect and they replace honor on names, national names and names. So when you don't, uh nobody, nobody likes a bastard, you know. Uh when you're a bastard, you're undesirable. When you don't, when you don't know who you are and who your mother and father is, even the children at school are gonna tease you. He don't know who his daddy is. He don't know. You can't, you gotta know who your mama is unless you adopt it, because it's daddy's maybe, mama's baby, daddy's maybe. You know, you're coming out of mama, but when you don't know your bloodline, it's it's something that is um abhorred in society. And this is part of the reason why so-called black people are abhorred, because the lack of knowledge of self and the lack of will to return to the ways of our forefathers and the names and culture and traditions of our forefathers. Now, on the inverse, uh the importance of nationality is there, but the importance of the chattel term and the social constructs of black, these uh adhering to these is there as well. Because they have laws that that govern people who adhere to these terms. Uh, you have the black codes. Anybody who considers themselves black should go read the black codes. You might say, well, the black codes, that was back in the 1700s. Well, all they did was just change the names. If you look at the black codes, they're the same as the anti-vagrancy laws, they're the same as the anti-drug laws, and they're the same as the anti-gang laws. The uh ability for you to be able to assemble in numbers is one of the main uh things. When you look at the anti-gang laws, if you're considered a gang member, then you can't congregate with other people considered gang members. If uh the anti-drug laws, um, they all mirror one another. So the the technology and the legalese changes, but that status is still there. When you look at why so-called black people are still the number one population in the prison industrial complex, this doesn't, it's not happenstance. There's an uh an orchestrated effort, and because they don't have a nationality, Prophet Noble Jouw Ali teaches us those without a nationality are the ones that the abuses by other citizens and big government and and other uh and and corrupt politicians, these are the ones, this is the targeted population that abuses are heaped upon because they don't have the same rights and protections of those people who do have a nationality. Case in point, some people say, Well, can you prove that? So-called black people didn't used to have voting rights, even though the Constitution guarantees anyone, uh, well, it doesn't guarantee uh the voting rights specifically, but it's an unwritten rule that if you're an American and you're a citizen, you have a right to vote. So, uh, but so-called black people were disenfranchised from voting. They were uh kept away from the polls through violence, they were um maneuvered with uh discriminatory laws to the point where uh they had to establish what is known as the so-called Voters' Rights Act to protect from discrimination uh regarding so-called black people. Now, this this act was supposed to be enacted for five years. It ended up being extended for 25 years. It was signed into law by uh I can't remember exactly who it was first. I think it was Nixon. And then when it when it when that 25 years expired, do you think so-called black people got permanent uh protection and voting rights? No, they had to extend the Voters Rights Act for another 25 years under uh was it was it it was either uh Reagan or or Bush, one of those people I know in 2006, young Bush, baby Bush, uh he extended it another 25 years. And then uh I believe it was Obama who extended it finally one more time until 2031. So now this voters' rights uh extends until 2031. Name any other population of citizens that have to have their voting rights extended every 25 years. No other population, not even if you're a foreigner and you come over here and you claim uh Americ uh United States American uh citizenship and nationality, you can vote until the day you die, and your children can vote until the day they die. So there's different laws. I'll give you another one. Have you ever seen a European, a European that wasn't maybe uh uh transgender or some, you know, type dealing with some type of gender issue, claim that their civil rights was violated.

unknown: 28:00

No.

SPEAKER_03: 28:00

What rights do the Europeans stand on? Constitutional rights.

SPEAKER_01: 28:08

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03: 28:09

They say they bring up the constitution. You'll never see a free so-called white European talking about civil rights. So again, this shows that there's an auxiliary law that so-called black people are under, where those people who are citizens are fully protected by the Constitution and have no need of civil rights. They have no need to have their rights for voting reinforced. They have no need for some auxiliary law known as civil rights to protect them from discrimination and other things. Uh, aside from that, we don't even we don't even have to talk about Jim Crow, which is the unwritten law, the unwritten law of discrimination against these people under these chattel terms is so-called black people. So it's very important to have a nationality, it's very important to get from up under the social uh and uh constructs and chattel terms and to uh proclaim who you are. And uh this is uh something that our people need to really grasp a hold of uh so that they can have uh a higher quality of life in this country and abroad.

SPEAKER_02: 29:18

Nicely explained. Okay, now we're going into uh why are we Moorish Americans? Because we are descendants of Moroccans born in America. Now, for those, all right, I'm gonna be honest with you, all right? We we get live in front of everybody. The Moroccan flag, I always had a problem with the Moroccan flag. Because the Moroccan government and the Moroccan people as it is right now are completely different from who we are. And so I I I look at it as like we're claiming someone else's you know what I mean, flag.

SPEAKER_03: 29:58

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Well, well, I'll tell you this. It depends on where you go in Morocco, right? Depends on where you go in Morocco. You go to Morocco, you're gonna see brothers and sisters look exactly like you. And even me. They're they're still there. But this is the thing. This is the thing, and this is something that people don't understand. Morocco, they're not the inventors of that flag, nor were they the ones holding that. You have to remember Morocco, the state of Morocco, got its independence in 1956 after the Moroccan Sahara March. Here, Prophet Noble Ju Ali, we had this flag since 1913 AD. And the flag is over 10,000 years old. They didn't make the flag, they merely adopted the flag. In 1915, they adopted the seal of the Moors, which is the five-pointed star, into the flag, right? Which is still before 1915, but they couldn't fly it on land because they were under a French protectate. So the Moors on these shores were the first to fly this particular flag prior to the modern Moroccan state. And most people don't know that. So uh it's not as if um we uh as Moors Americans we already had that flag.

SPEAKER_02: 31:17

Now I I looked and I pardoned me, I don't mean to cut you. I looked into that some years back, and I I I I I saw that. My thing is like popular opinion, right? But I I think the prophet says something about the generality of men are ignorant.

SPEAKER_03: 31:36

Generality is no proof of truth, for the generality of men are ignorant.

SPEAKER_02: 31:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 31:41

Yeah, that's how you get mobs, that's how you get the the lynch mobs and and and lack of law and and order and mob rule. So it's just a point of looking into it. And then we can even go even further back than that, because when you look on on the Americas, the flag was over here, which is when we talk about how old is our flag, it is over 10,000. Well, first it says what do the five points represent? Love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice. And then it also talks about our flag being over 10,000 years old. That flag is present here and uh in the Americas prior to that, and it and it and it's present in Egypt with the with the uh SIBA or seven star. It has five points, but it's known as SIBA, which is where Sheba and Shabbaz come from. It's all related. Um, I would I would point out also that there is a very slight difference in the Moorish flag and the flag in the flag of Morocco.

SPEAKER_02: 32:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 32:40

There you go.

SPEAKER_02: 32:41

Yes, let's do it. So because I've been hearing this for years, right? So this is what a Moor told me. Shouts out to uh uh Daniel Clark Ill, Temple 54. He said that the Moorish flag, the five-pointed star. Now, Clark Ill, if you ever see this, you said this almost 20 years ago. I don't know if you changed your mind or whatever. The the Moorish flag, the the five-pointed star is pointed down on the Moorish flag, the Moroccan flag, the five-pointed star is pointed up. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 33:23

All right, so so that does have something to do with it. Um but but let me deal with this. If you look at the Moorish American flag, you'll see that it's basically just a flat green star. But when you look at the flag of Morocco, you'll see that it's an interlocking star. The stars are different. Oh uh, it's very slight.

SPEAKER_02: 33:51

Okay. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03: 33:58

I'm sorry about being out here, but at my house it was raining, pouring, storming. We wasn't gonna get no service. So when you look, if you look at the Moroccan flag, you're gonna see it's an interlocking star. They fold in on each other. But when you look at the Moorish American flag, it's a flat green star. So even though they adopted it, it's still slightly different and and it's just very subtle. Now, the upside down star relates to flag protocol. And the prophet, at one point, when you see him in his office where he was flying the flag according to flag protocol, you'll see that the star is pointing upside down. Now, when a star points upside down on the flag, or any flag points upside down, that represents the flag being in the nation being in distress, and it represents extreme danger. This is basic flag protocol. Anybody can look this up. And at the time when the prophet was flying this flag, uh, he was in extreme danger and in distress. Uh, the nation was uh in extreme danger and distress. And in the Moorish literature, there are a lot of uh, well, at least four, uh perhaps more, uh readings that the prophet would uh enacted to be read in each and every meaning that explain this distress and explain the uh aid and assistance and help that he needed to bring the nation out of distress. So that's where the upside down uh comes from.

SPEAKER_02: 35:33

Okay, so so there's truth to that.

SPEAKER_03: 35:36

Islam, yes. The the prophet did fly the flag with it upside down. I wouldn't say that that's the difference between our flag and and the present-day flag of Morocco. You if you just look at if you put the two flags side by side, you'll see that the difference between the stars. One is an interlocking star, and the other one is a flat star. So there is a difference, it's just a very subtle difference. But the upside-down flag being flown is uh a sign of distress. You can look it up in any basic flag protocol. It means danger, it means distress. And during that time, uh the prophet and the nation was under distress. And as I said, it's outlined in these um readings that the prophet uh told all the temples to read um during every meeting.

SPEAKER_02: 36:26

All right, all right, that's uh I like that answer right there. That was a good one right there. All right, so the next one, um yeah, I wanted to also say this, right? Have you ever had a conversation with a Moroccan and about these things? You know, and yeah, so right now we're online anyways, and you know, I I used to work with Egyptians and and and uh one of my clients was uh was a Morocc, it well still is a Moroccan. And um, you know, when I was online with my fans or the Moroccan flag at some times, or the Moorish flag, he would never really say much. He would just look at it, you know, um he would never really say much of anything. Um, even when I would make claim of our ancestors, you know, being in Egypt at some point, you know, the Egyptian brothers that I used to work around, they never really said anything. However, like there's a new thing on online where, you know, everyone's trying to, you know, reclaim or hold claim to, you know, their their you know, heritage and ancestry. And there's like a fight online, you know, controversy between, you know, if so-called African Americans or black people were uh ancient Egyptians or not, or things like that. Have you encountered any of these uh any of these conversations?

SPEAKER_03: 38:01

Islam, I've encountered both. Um, I've I've encountered both uh on both sides. There are many Moroccans that would tell you, yes, you're absolutely right. You are brothers, you know. And then you'll have the other ones that are like, no, this is our nationality. You're black, you're black, you know. So the thing is, usually the arguments about black come from people who have accepted or who are Americanized and have accepted the American way of thinking that a person can be a Negro, black, or color. And they're usually those who are educated in their schools. Uh and so they're as indoctrinated as anybody else, you know, especially foreigners coming over here. Remember, they have to take a nationality test. They have to learn the history, and part of that history is that we're slaves, we're black, that's it. And that's what they have to adhere to. And, you know, they put themselves in danger when they start uh of their citizenship to try to tell you anything else, literally. So uh most people who are indigenous Moroccans and Moroccans that are are there, um they will tell you uh because this history has been orally passed down to many of them, not all of them. And they know that we are what they used to look like. Uh they've been conquered over and over and over again. They still have the bloodline. Uh many of them are also Arabs who moved uh there and um began to uh claim Moroccan nationality. Remember, through Juice Sali, through being born on the land. But the bloodline, the consanguinity, the juice, not all Moroccans have that. And so um you have to realize the the American Empire, so to speak, the negative aspect of the American Empire that would um create chattel brands and and and brand people other than what they are, has expanded all across the globe. So wherever you go across the globe, you're gonna find those who have uh who worship the beasts, who worship the pale European image as God, right? And they are gonna be the ones that will try to keep you and and keep that caste system intact. And then you're gonna have the indigenous people who are usually oppressed, who usually carry the bloodline as well, and are gonna be uh more than welcoming to you and inclusive and understanding, not only because of the bloodline, because of their experience with uh either slavery, colonialism, or neocolonialism. So uh it just depends on who you're dealing with. Factually, these people they won't be able to hold up against anything because one thing about so-called black people, and even this is even in the Muslim community. If you, you know, you talk to a Muslim uh that's a foreigner that is you know on point, they'll tell you almost every so-called brother that has has become a Muslim in America if is is almost if not, they're either a scholar or almost a scholar. Because most of them are just born into it and they're practicing the culture where we actually study it, we actually take this serious. A lot of them are coming over here so they don't have to follow it. But but we take it serious. We learn, we learn the adab, we learn the rituals, we learn everything. So we take our knowledge of self very seriously, we take our religion seriously, we take everything serious. So if one were to sit down and have an actual factual conversation about things, they would learn something. But most people are just standing on the pyramid, so to speak, of so-called white supremacy, colonialism, and neocolonialism. And and they know that because that's their uh their sustenance, and if they leave that alone, then uh and then they are betraying uh that that you know, they're biting the hand that feeds them, so to speak.

SPEAKER_02: 42:10

Damn. Y'all heard that in the chat, man. Y'all gotta say something. Talk to me, talk to me. Uh so let's go to the next one. Uh okay, uh, what is the purpose for the Moorish Science Temple? Uh, sorry, what per what for what purpose was the Moorish Science Temple of America uh found uh founded uh for the uplifting of fallen humanity? So with that that question for the uplifting, uplifting, uplifting of fallen humanity, so that means not only our people, that would mean the world, right?

SPEAKER_03: 42:57

Islam, for that answer, you look right on the front cover. Because the Prophet Noble Juali is uplifting, obviously, fallen humanity. They can't they can't stand, she can't stand on her own two feet. So uh it's it's it's humanity. Humanity encompasses all but fallen humanity. Fallen, fallen how fallen from the uh right to be included in the constitutional fold, fallen from the right to be included in the international fold, fallen from the right to be uh to sit at the table of nations and to take their place amongst the affairs of men, because they do not qualify. They do not qualify, Islam, Islam, peace and love. I said Nicholas Bay. Um they don't qualify, they don't fit uh up to the criteria of what humanity is. Humanity has all things, uh certain things in common. The two main things that they have in common that that we lack is a nationality and a divine creed. Right? These are the first things when you want to become a citizen here, when you come, they're gonna ask you, what's your nationality? And what's your divine creed, or what's your religion, what's your way of life. Now, when you look at so-called black people in this country, they don't know who they are. Those that don't know who they are. And when you deal with culture, the only culture that they practice in this still is plantation culture. You know, we're eating chitlins, we eating hog maws, cornbread, soul food, uh, and and you know, criminality, which we we had to at some point use to survive. And we're exploited by every other group. Uh, you can go to China, you'll see Chinatown. You go to Mexico, you see the signs in Spanish. You go to in that in uh California, you have a Japanese town, Korea town, Chinatown, Vietnamese town. You don't have to have a Mexican town because it's all Mexican. But, you know, uh, when you look in the so-called black community, you see everybody else and just a little sprinkle of us doing business and a sprinkle of what so you know it's it's uh when it comes to culture, we usually have to look someplace else. Uh and and this is what the the movie um what was it? Uh not the golden child, but uh I know you're gonna know the one with uh shown up in it.

SPEAKER_02: 45:28

Oh, that's uh The Last Dragon.

SPEAKER_03: 45:30

The Last Dragon and Bruce Leroy. He's an he's a perfect prototype of what happens when you don't have an identity and you learn something from a culture. You learn, you begin now that that emptiness that's that's in you becomes filled with that to the point where now you believe not only did you learn karate and did you, but you you begin to believe, you begin to act, you believe to emulate the Chinese or the Japanese that taught you, or or the Muslim. You're a Muslim now, you're imitating the Arab that taught you, or you're imitating the Indian that taught you, or you're imitating the Malaysian that taught you. I've seen people walk into the masjid with an Arab hair cover, Indian shirt, Malaysian shoes, you know. To us, it's just all Islam. But to them, they looking at look at this nigga, what excuse my language wear, Malaysian shoes, an Indian shirt, an Arab hat, Pakistani wallet, and African saddlebag, you know, where everyone else is draped in what? Their culture. But this is the beautiful thing about Moorish American because when you look back in history, you see them Moors, they got a certain way they dress, they had a certain food they ate, they had a certain culture, they had a certain way they practice. And when you put on your Moorish garb and you go into the masjid, they recognize that. Oh, he looks like himself. We remember them, we remember those. Wow, this is a blast from the past. This is someone stepping out of the history books, and they want to come over to you and brother, who are you? What where are you? What are you? How do you know about this? You know, and uh so it's just something that we have to realize. When you look back in history and you see Moors, there's paintings of Moors, and and Moors wore their turban a particular way that nobody else did. You can see how the Turkish wore their turban, you can see how the Arabs wore their turbans in their qual. But when you see the Moor, he looks a particular way. His turban is a particular way, his pants are a particular way, his sash around his waist is a particular way. He might have those two earrings in his ear a particular way. We have a culture. We just don't know, uh, a lot of us don't know what it is, but when we begin to practice it, then you see the difference in how the rest of humanity who has not fallen treats you, and you begin to say, hey, you begin to notice that this is this is real. There's something real to this. If it can uh get me the type of prestige and the type of respect just by putting it on, now you got to work on your mind. Now you gotta not just adopt the way that you look, but adopt the ethics and the ethos of your forefathers and your ancestors, your foremothers. Because along with that culture, along with that dress, along with those that food, along with that uh language, there comes an ethos. There comes a particular type of national character that you can recognize in every other nation. And that's what Prophet Nobu Jwali gave us. He gave it all to us. But he said we wouldn't recognize it because it's ours. And if you look around, mostly all of the movements that our people are following, they're following somebody that don't really look like them. And when somebody who looked like them comes to tell them something, it's only natural that they're gonna respond in the sense of Willie Lynch. They're gonna respond in the sense of how we used to say, Oh, nigga, you don't know nothing, or you don't know no more than me, you know, because this that's that slave mind. So we have to give those things up and truly begin to investigate ourselves and look a little deeper.

SPEAKER_02: 49:25

Check. All right. Um now we're going into um look at this. Uh how did the how did the prophet begin to uplift the Moorish Americans by teaching them to be themselves? You just mentioned that.

SPEAKER_03: 49:42

Islam.

SPEAKER_02: 49:43

Now I want to talk about that. Uh teaching them to be themselves. So when I re when I remember what I remember from a lot of pictures from when the prophet was around, uh a lot of brothers wore suits. Now, is that what you mean? Or what anything are you talking about like like in the medieval time?

SPEAKER_03: 50:07

Islam, I'm talking about in in the you in the history books, they have a bunch of French paintings and all these paintings. You can see, matter of fact, the Moors chief, which is one of the most famous ones.

SPEAKER_01: 50:17

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 50:18

Uh, you can see. Now, yes, some Moors wore suits, but if you look at those convention pictures and you look in and you look at the prophet's garbage, these Moors were making these things. There was no place to buy this stuff. You have Moors that made this. All of this stuff was made. So even though it's it's it resembles the Moorish, it's legitimately Moorish American. It's Moorish American based on what our more we're not trying to be our forefathers of old. We're Moorish American. We have a different flavor, a different twist uh to us. Uh, we honor our bloodline, but we also have uh ties to the land here in America and traditions that have been developed, cultivated over hundreds of years, sometimes even thousands of years here. And so you'll see that reflected in the garb that was being produced by the sisters and the brothers back then. And you can see a lot of that in convention. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You'll see a lot of that. And uh these garbs were being made, and many of them are still made. Just how the nation of Islam they make their uh garbs for the uh MGT, uh the sisters, not so much for the brothers, the uh well, they do make the suits, they're more of a suit style, but you see the sisters in uh MGT, they're still wearing more of a uh a garb type uh of dress. And so the the brothers and sisters were doing this back then, and we and we still do it. I myself have have produced fezes and and also garb. You know, I took up sewing, you know, for a year I produced a lot of uh handcrafted garb for Moors, Fezes, and uh, you know, I think these things will begin to return now that we've uh are gathering up a good team of uh good Moors that have a lot of skills, you're gonna see a lot more of that uh coming back.

SPEAKER_01: 52:05

Interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting right there.

SPEAKER_02: 52:09

That's all I can say. In fact, what where do you find these this garb? Because it would be nice to have this.

SPEAKER_03: 52:17

Well, um, you can, you know, you can definitely contact Morse Science Temples and see if they have anybody that is uh uh making these garbs. Again, I'm not selling right now. I'm on another mission out here with this land. Um, I haven't sold garbs for a couple of years, but uh our divine minister, brother King Ali Bay in California, uh you can get in touch with him, uh Morris Science Temple of America, Oak Temple, uh Oakland Temple, uh on Facebook and uh you know Instagram. And he has he has beautiful garbs that are being made, some uh very affordable, others very uh elegant and of a higher uh bracket. Also, you have uh the Grand Chic out there, brother uh William Osiris Bay, who um uh has garbs and has his brand as well. Some uh some are the Thobe type style, some are the modern, like the hoodies and hats and all different types of stuff. So uh California uh Oakland, excuse me, Morris Temple of America, uh Oakland Temple, uh MSTA Oakland, I believe it is online. You know, you contact them or just uh hit me on uh on uh Facebook or any other platforms or at the Minister of Culture at gmail.com and I'll uh pass your information along for them to contact you. And there's you can buy some things off the rack, or you can have it uh custom made.

SPEAKER_02: 53:51

I'm texting you right now.

SPEAKER_03: 53:55

I know you had asked me about that. I've been meaning to get you that information as well, so all is well.

SPEAKER_02: 54:01

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm getting garbed up nowadays.

SPEAKER_03: 54:06

Nothing wrong with it, my brother.

SPEAKER_02: 54:08

Right now, um what is our religion? Islamism. Now, um I was in a temple, uh I forgot I think that was last week, and uh I think when the brother asked, What was our religion? I said Islamism, but the brother said love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice is our religion. And the practice of those five principles is Islamism.

SPEAKER_03: 54:41

All right, so uh clearly it says what is our religion? Islamism. Now, love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice probably what he was referring to is our divine creed, right? Okay, that's our divine creed.

SPEAKER_02: 54:56

It was divine, right?

SPEAKER_03: 54:57

Yeah, he said he said because a creed is like a motto, right? Okay, uh a creed is like a motto, so we practice our Islamism through the divine creed of love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice. Now, we have Islam is our faith because Islam is not a religion, Islam is a way of life. This is known throughout the Islamic community. The Arabic word for Islam, or what they translate again, we're back into the trans. What they translate into religion is dean. And dean does not mean religion, but because it's translated into the English, they they look at dean as a religion. But dean literally means way, like the Tao or the Tao. It's a way. So Islam is a way, it's not a religion.

SPEAKER_02: 55:46

That's interesting. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_03: 55:48

Yeah. So now Islamism, Islamism is our religion. Now it is the political, it is the religious, it is the uh religious practices, but also the political, social, and economic um uh practice of Islam through the political, social, and economic uh aspect of our lives, through the self-governing aspect of our lives as well. So it's not the way, it is actually the religion. And it's important to have a religion in America or in the United States for one specific reason, right? Number one, because of the free exercise clause in the Constitution of the United States of America. Uh, it's uh the Constitution doesn't uh uh allow you to secure rights through spirituality or through a way, it's through religion, freedom of religion in America. The United States was the so-called founding fathers, all this was predicated on breaking free on the European side from the religious oppression of the uh Great Britain. Uh and so uh the ability, the inalienable rights in the Constitution and the ability to practice religion through the freedom of uh the free exercise clause allows one to be able to practice whatever religion they wish, as opposed to if you're in this country, you have to be a Christian, or if you're here, you have to be Indian or whatever. So everyone has a religion in this country, and Prophet Nobu Juali brought us one specifically that no one else can lay claim to. Others can lay claim to Islam as the religion, which is something that does come about later when the Arab missionaries begin coming here, they they codified a religion as Islam. But the rel but the Islam of the Prophet Muhammad was not a religion, it was a deen. So, but every culture brings a codifies their way into a religion here because there are certain rights and protections in religion in the United States. So, say for example, uh during during COVID time, we talked about this before. Uh, many people were forced to take shots and do a lot of things. However, those who had an exemption from the doctor or those who had a religious exemption were exempt from being able to do that. So I don't say that we're we're we're we're here, right? We're not trying to overthrow anything when we say that we have things that we can do. We're a special class of citizens that others don't, because we have our body politic, we have our government, that when there's a conflict, when it becomes a conflict between our religious principles and what the civil or civic government is doing, we can say we can claim our exemption and say, hey, no, we don't do that according to our reasons. This is why, here's our exemption, boom. Now, there was an issue for those people who were following Islam because the edict from Saudi Arabia was that you could take the COVID shot. So some people were saying, I'm a Muslim and I can't do that, but they were saying, hey, no, you're a religious leader, say that you can. But see, with Islamism, that didn't cover Islamism. Each grand sheik is empowered to make law and enforce law. So each grand sheikh of each temple had the ability to give a ruling and say that this is some temples said, hey, go ahead and do it. Other temples said, no, we don't do that, and for these uh reasons. So it's very important to have a religion. Uh, religion is not just about um religiosity, dumb worship, or uh dogma. It's also a very powerful political, social, and economic tool to protect you.

SPEAKER_02: 59:43

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