Shango and Obatalá: The Dual Powers of Lucumí Tradition Xenia Rodriguez

Thunder meets stillness, and the room changes. We sit down with two initiated practitioners whose lineages run from Matanzas and Guantánamo to Miami and Tampa to unpack what the Lukumi tradition actually teaches about Obatala and Shango—beyond aesthetics, myths, and social media shortcuts. What does it mean that Obatala “makes the head”? Why do we honor red and white for Shango? And how do the stories in Ifa guide behavior instead of excusing it?

Omar shares a family history that kept the religion alive through Cuba’s underground years and explains how practice flourished in the ’90s. He breaks down core ideas with clarity: Obatala as owner of heads, Oduduwa as giver of spirit, and the pataki that ties sobriety to compassion for difference. He also traces Shango’s arc through Odu—leaving chaos for kingship—and the famous exchange with Orunmila that shaped how divination works today, from Ifa’s 256 odu to Dilogún with the cowries.

Sineya brings the lived texture: the white year where Obatala judges conduct, the way Shango’s music lifts the floor, and how his children can be mistaken for ego when they’re really carrying joy. Together we get practical—naming key herbs for Obatala like siempreviva, paraíso, atiponlá, and bledo blanco; clarifying why anamu is taboo; and highlighting Shango’s hot plants and symbols like the double‑headed ax and lightning. We also address real misconceptions: you are not your orisha, paths matter (including Obatala Ayáguna), and discipline is the throughline.

Underneath it all is a call to bridge communities—Black American and Latino practitioners—through study, respect, and honest conversation. If you’ve been curious about Lukumi, Ifa, Obatala, or Shango; if you love drums, ethics, and real lineage; this one invites you to learn with care and leave with clarity. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s exploring ATRs, and drop a comment with the question you want us to tackle in part two.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Intros
• 1:33 Year-End Lukumi Context
• 3:10 Omar’s Family Lineage And Early Life
• 6:40 From Underground To Open Practice In Cuba
• 9:05 Sineya’s Background And Crowning Stories
• 12:30 Obatala’s Role: Creator Of Heads
• 17:10 Pataki On Sobriety And Compassion
• 19:30 Shango’s Nature And Transformation
• 24:20 What An Odu Is And Why It Matters
• 28:10 Divination: Orunmila, Drums, And The Trade
• 32:30 Music, Joy, And Shango’s Children
• 36:20 Plants Sacred To Obatala And Shango
• 40:20 Red And White: Meaning And Paths
• 44:00 Thunder, Axes, And Elements
• 46:20 Common Misconceptions About Both Orishas
• 50:30 Paths, Temperament, And Truth-Telling
• 55:00 Bridging Communities And Part Two Tease