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Noble Drew Ali’s Divine Plan of the Age
Start with a clear plan, not a slogan. We dig into Noble Drew Ali’s Divine Plan of the Ages and translate it into real moves you can make: refine the inner life, set free national standards, and act together in civics, media, and business so power becomes habitual. Our guest, Lloyd Douglas El of Moors in America, traces his path from late‑90s curiosity to decades of study and time in Brazil, showing how lived experience sharpened his lens on Moorish science. That arc leads to a simple truth: when identity and creed are clear, action gets focused and results follow.
We talk about image and ownership with urgency. Outsourced media has taught the world to distrust Black Americans, often through stories we didn’t commission. The fix isn’t a hashtag—it’s control of storefronts, feeds, and neighborhood institutions that circulate dollars and set norms. We break down civics as a sacred duty: build better citizens who understand local power, open businesses that anchor families, and support candidates who deliver for their blocks. Free national standards sit at the center, defining how we resolve conflict, protect children, keep promises, and move within love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice.
We also clear the fog around “legal fixes.” Nationality and creed are not magic words; they’re alignment with real governance and the Constitution. The proof is in character reform: money returned when it could be taken, contracts honored when no one is watching, youth guided without violence. To make that practical, we share resources—Lloyd’s book Unlocking the Keys, a Moorish Marriage Council to rebuild family life, and a Columbus food giveaway that turns faith into service. If you’re ready to trade noise for measurable wins, press play, then pick one lane—media, schools, or small business—and start this week.
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What's going on everybody out there? It's Ron Brown LMT the People's What happened to the brothers. What happened? Oh, there you go. There you go. What's going on, everybody? It's Ron Bow LMT the People's Fitness Professional. And before we go into today's uh build, um let's run this commercial. I gotta keep running this commercial just to remind you. I'm gonna be annoying about this because we are really trying to build this platform and we are not good at begging. So hit the super chat, do this, do that. We're not good at that. So we invested in a commercial. So we're gonna hit you with the commercial episode of the family.
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SPEAKER_02:All right, all right. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for coming out, uh, Brother Uh Lloyd. Really appreciate you for coming out. Moores in America, that is your platform there on Facebook, huh?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That is my platform. It's uh Moores in America on Facebook, also on YouTube, also the website, Moores in America.com, uh, Instagram. Just made it uh recently a TikTok, so make sure you you uh uh link up with Moores in America.
SPEAKER_02:All right. Is there any way you can take that uh sound? It's like some kind of sound on your mic. It sounds like you're about to do a rap concert.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, it's the settings on here.
SPEAKER_02:Let me it sound like you're about to really hey yo, what's popping?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what to make sure we don't have auto-tune on.
SPEAKER_02:It's still it's still it's still on there. But I mean, uh you know, if you could fix it, that'd be great. If not, man, we're gonna have to just uh deal with it. You know, sound is is very important to the human ear, you know. If the sound is off, you know, people tune out a little bit. You know what I mean? So yeah, thanks to thanks for coming out this evening, everybody. I really appreciate you. We're gonna get into this build with this brother. I just want to let y'all know this brother sells fezes. Where is uh Ben right now who needs the fez, man? He sells fezes.
SPEAKER_01:We we've got you. You you can see some of them behind me, but um just just go to moorishfez.com. M-O-O-R-I-S-H-E-Z, Moorish Fez.com. We get you Moorish American owned and operated. We actually put this together. We have you more so um you know, 100% wool, you know, the leather sweatband on the inside, everything. We we got you covered.
SPEAKER_02:That's peace. That's peace. Right now, you still sound like DMC, but it's all good for run DMC. Tom, Tom, down with the kid.
SPEAKER_01:Mike check how we sounding now. We we all right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's better. That's better. Let's do that again.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. We good now.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, we good now. All right, perfect, perfect. All right, so now uh, first off, uh, you know, everyone just you know getting to know you on the platform. Um, you know, I like to break down history a little bit before we go into the actual bill. So what is your name? Where are you from? How did you get to Morris Science, get into Morris Science, and how long have you been in into the teachings?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, well, yeah, just to introduce myself, I have brother, I'm your brother, Lloyd Douglas L, out of Columbus, Ohio. Uh, that's not where I'm originally from, but I did make way there uh from Toledo, Ohio, grew up in Memphis, Tennessee, moved around, actually moved around, lived a little bit overseas for about five years in Brazil. Moved overseas, came back here to America. Um, and as far as um studying uh Moorish science, I've actually been studying this for a while, almost two decades now. Uh many, many years ago in uh in Memphis, Tennessee, I met a brother named Alihu Pleasant Bay, and just happened to meet him by just by chance. You know, was in the hood, saw a building that had some signs and symbols on it that I didn't know what they meant, but just something inside me said, go in there, check it out. You know, and having no idea in Memphis, Tennessee, having no idea what I'm gonna be walking into, but I go into the building and there's a brother in there. I think there was another brother, two brothers in there, and uh, one brother's in there. He he has uh a book that he had just put out. It's called Isom, it's called the zooming of the of the nation, right? And he had just put it out back then. This was like 20 years ago, and I come in and start talking to him, and he started hitting me with the knowledge, just letting me know, hey, you know, you're not black or African American or whatever you want to call yourself, nigga, all that stuff. He's like, and he started to break it down, and it just made sense right away, you know. It made sense, and um, you know, just that got me started in that direction, you know, because I went through like pretty much all the schools of thought, which is what a lot of us do, you know, um, looking into everything, the nations of God's earth, um, the nation of Islam, uh, Ala Kayor, pretty much everything that you can think of. You know, we've been down that road. Then as well as traveling, you know, uh around the country and then overseas to just opening up the eyes, seeing things. And for me, it was coming full circle, coming back to um what you would say more science, you know, Islam, and having a better, more well-rounded understanding of it just because of life experience.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Okay, okay. So now when did you get into more science and like what year in particular?
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, um, first exposure to it and really starting to study and learn about the prophet and things like that, I would say back in um probably around, I don't know there's that year, but I'll say like around 2003, 2004, something like that. So it's been well over a decade, not new to any of this.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right, right. And now when you when you got into Elihu, is that's an Ilihu Bay, right?
SPEAKER_01:Ilihu Pleasant Bay. Um yeah, I met the brother and he hit me up with some information, like he has some brochures and stuff. I didn't join his organization, I just started studying on my own. I mean, the internet, you know, videos, seeing people like Taz Tariq Bay and all this stuff, just doing their own studying. That's that's what I had been on for you know, for a while. Before I came back and started saying, okay, let me calm down, let me read this holy Quran and the Morris High Temple of America again to see what's really in there. Because me reading that 20 years ago, I'm just like, man, this is just some church stuff. Right. I ain't trying to hear this, you know what I'm saying? Right. That's that's where I was at mentally. But um, you know, just saying I've been on that path though for a while.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So now you you picked up Ilyhu Pleasant's Pleasant Bay's information. You got into it 2003, 2004. Um, and then before that, you were like just studying different things. So when did you get that initial spark to look? Was it like was it like 2000, 99, 98, like in the 90s?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, man. I would say it's been there like even since the late 90s, you know, just as a teenager, just wondering, wanting to know more, and knowing that something was off. You know, something was off with our people, just knowing that something was off, you know, with us and with the world. And um, like, you know, looking to into everything that that that was around, you know, to because like back then, like when you're talking about like 97, 98, even 99, even going into the early 2000s, it wasn't like just so easy to get information, you know. Like for us, like a lot of times you can get information in the hood because there may be somebody. Right. There may be somebody with universal flag or you know, with some some kind of symbology or something that would make you think, okay, that brother might have some knowledge, you know? And that would be the only way. Like, there was a brother used to be in um or this hood, this uh neighborhood called Orange Mound, and he would be selling, you know, tapes and stuff, bootlegs and stuff like that. And he was like, he was a new wobby. And and so, you know, I always talk to him and like, yeah, you got any new tapes? Like, is there anything I could see? Because it wasn't like YouTube, you could just go and watch videos, anything you could find. So it was like, you know, you had to get out and talk to people and travel and meet people and actually read to learn. It wasn't so easy. So, you know, I had to get out and talk to library and all that, and it took time too, because you had to go through you know the school of thought. You have to actually go through things and meet people and walk those, you know, that path so that you could learn things, right? Because it yeah, it wasn't just it wasn't just like it is now with just the internet and so easy YouTube. So that's that's the path that I walk through, just going, you know, and talking to people and building and learning over time, right?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, brother uh Ben. Uh Ben is in the building. Yo, uh Ben, this is the brother. Uh I sent you his website. I sent you his website, brother. Get this is where you can get the Fez, brother.
SPEAKER_01:He's got yeah, yeah. MorrisFez.com.
SPEAKER_02:We we have you covered, we we get it out there.com of Ben by two, three of them Johns, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, got you on these turbines too, like the the one you see I'm wearing. We got those two. Uh you can get it from me. Uh just go to Morris, just go to MorrisandAmerica.com. We had the we had a turban wraps too.
SPEAKER_02:So how's that? You just put it, you just put it on like this, or how's it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, this this joint, like it's got this, uh, you know, on the inside, like kind of like satin, kind of like silk almost, you know. So if you have like maybe a short hair or or or braids or something like that, you know, keep everything tight, and then it just wraps around so easy, man. Just boom. Oh, nice double wrap, and you're good to go. And you know, it's got the tassels and everything on it, you know, nice, you know, cultural flex, and and and it's not like you're wearing a do-rag, man. It's a it's a turban because literally this wraps around twice, this rope, and it's that easy, and you're good to go.
SPEAKER_02:Indeed, indeed. That's peace. That's peace. Before we go into today's build, it's all uh Jacob Ladders said it's all good and sounds good till someone needs legal help, and then that person is frowned upon and shunned. You know why? Because the Moorish Science Temple of America or Moors in general, it's it's not about a legal thing. It's not about a legal, it's not about a legal come-up or you know, or trying to play a lawyer or anything like that. You know, so that's where you're going wrong, brother. You you're in the wrong place looking for the wrong thing. You know what I mean? So that's what that is, brother. But uh, let's go into it. We're talking about Noble Juali's Divine Plan of the Age. Now, um, you sent me some, you sent me an email with something the brother uh Sharif Bey wrote, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, um, so I sent uh one document, I believe that's from the brother R. Edwards L. Maybe just like some of his thoughts on the divine plan of the ages, and then also, yeah, from that good brother Sharif Daniel Bay. He he has a book, The Blueprint, where he talks about the divine plan of the ages.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so let's let's talk about that. Uh the divine plan of the ages, and um, you know, let's expound upon that. Let's break that down.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so this yes, this is a great discussion. This is gonna be a great discussion and powerful. Um, the divine plan of the ages basically it's it's a very simple, I guess you could say, four or five part um structure, just with the the ideology or the plan that the prophet wanted this movement that he intended for us to go in, right? To ensure our earthly and our divine salvation or success, you could say. All right, and so um, you know, it's actually very simple, to the point, and straightforward. There's nothing really mystical or hard to understand about it. It's just something that's simple that gives us a plan so we can look at what we're doing or what we're discussing or talking about to say, okay, is this in alignment with the plan? It's not, maybe we should, you know, leave that to the side. So it keeps us marching forward, you know, towards the goal. Um, I had a little graphic I wanted to put up here if you wouldn't mind if I could, but yeah, let's let's put that up. Yeah, so um basically, right? Uh okay, what okay, okay, I see it. I see it.
SPEAKER_02:And for my my my um I gotta get a I get I gotta get fitted. Brother, you don't you take that what they call him, Jones? Uh turbine rap.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, he has to measure his head.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, the tape measure, yo, and I got that right here. I'm gonna I'm glad you said something, bro. I got a tape measure right here, right? And I'm saying, like, you know, you take it out of there and it's real flimsy, you can just wrap it around. Measure your head before you get the fez.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Um we have we have an eight and a half size fez. If you, you know, man, if you like wearing, you know, head, headgear, you know, a lot, you already know eight and a half is pretty large. And so that's like most of the people that get there have locks. And so it's like we have three sizes on there right now. So you definitely want to measure your your head before you order that. Right, measure measures, you can get it from Walmart for like probably under three dollars.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right. Get that tape measure, brother. Here we go.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, glad you got were able to put that up there. So um, all right, so basically, the prophet is giving us a two-part salvation, right? Earthly, restoring us as a nation among you know all the other nations. I'm gonna tell you real briefly why that needs to be done. And then divine restoring our consciousness as a part of Allah. And then when you put that together, that's the divine plan of the ages. So the divine plan of the ages is working on ourselves so that we can bring out our true potential. We are one, we are Allah, we are one with the Creator, you know, and then um on the second part, you know, doing that physical work that we need to do to empower ourselves, right? To be, you know, not just to have be recognized, but respected as a nation, right? Amongst others. And so um this this restoring us as a nation among other nations has to be done because we have fallen probably to the lowest of lows, you know, as far as um people in the world, you know, as far as how we're perceived, um what what people think of us, right? We're we we fall into the lowest of the low. Um, people see um us, you know, as far as the music and the movies and all that promoting, you know, negativity, right? And so, you know, and then they look at us thinking that we we don't even take care of our families, we don't care about you know being married and raising our children together. People think of us in the low as the low. So we have to take care of that. We have to, but that's an internal thing, you know, fixing ourselves, restoring ourselves. So it wouldn't matter where you live, you know, you'd be good. And um, that takes care of everything, even the legal stuff that the brother was talking about, because then we start to build ourselves up. We don't have these problems that we haven't, you know. And then the divine, of course, as we improve our mind as we connect to our true nature. You can't be, you know, uh a law, you can't be spirit, man, one with your higher self and still be oppressed and still be getting taken advantage of. You can't. It just it is impossible, it won't happen. And so that kind of takes care of everything as well. So, you know, that's that's always gotta be in the at least in the back of our mind or in the forefront of our mind as Moorish Americans and everything that we do, because that ensures our success. That makes sure that you know we we're not getting caught up here out here and that we on the right track. But I just I just wanted to share that, you know, just briefly, you know, to kind of you know put this phone in the proper perspective, brother.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so now if you can expound a little bit more on a defined plan of the ages, okay, so you you just explained that part, right? Um, so now if you could expound a little bit more, like what is in this document that you've sent to me with uh Sharif and El Bay and the other brother, I don't know, I forgot the name.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I think the other brothers, uh, one of the great wars from Baltimore, uh, brother R. Edward Dell, if that was not him, you know, part itself please give me. Um, but um, yeah, so the divine plan of the age is basically just a you know four or five-part um plan, you know, from the prophet noble Drew Ali to make sure that we are always going in the right direction, you know, moving towards our earthly and divine salvation. And so the earthly salvation, right? That's with the prophet, you know, when he established the Morris Science Temple of America, um, he says the only sole foundation that all Asiatics must depend upon for their earthly salvation as American citizens. All right, and so that earthly salvation is um is taking care of the the Negro condition or the you know the this um this permanent lower class has been created, you know, in you know, in this nation, right? And um, you know, some people will say that we suffer with civilizator more too. We're dead in the eyes of the law. You know, we don't we lack political representation, all of the different things that people are bringing up, you know, there is some truth in this stuff. And so this earthly salvation is taking care of that issue. And the prophet corrected this, you know, when he created the more science temple of America, and within this institution is teaching us civics, right? So every temple, because it's a part of our religion actually, to be, you know, politically active, to be, you know, um civically intelligent enough so that we're you know operated properly, it's even a part of our religion to um increase our economic security, right?
SPEAKER_04:Take financial resignation.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. So we have religious literature from our prophet of Allah. It says that the preaching of economic security or the doctrine of economic security is by no means as widespread as it needs to be. So this is actually a part of our religion opening up businesses everywhere where we're at, increasing our economic security, doing this through our expression of Islam, right? So somebody can't come and say, oh no, you need to close down those bakeries or you need to close down those stores or whatever, you know. No, that's they're actually they would be, you know, going against our religion. It's like, no, that's no, this is what we do. So we, you know, we take care of that, right? That economic security and are also our increasing our political power, right? And so this is all a part of it, right? Of everything that we do. Um, and then when you're coming into the temple, when it's also teaching this nationality and this divine creed, we're not just saying, oh, we're Moors, we're descendants from you know the ancient people or ancient civilizations. We're coming in, we're actually beginning to reassemble as a political body. Now we're moving as Moors American Muslims. This is what we stand for, right? This is what we do. We're gonna go ahead and support this person who's running for office, right? You know, at the local level, because he's gonna do this for us. And this is the direction we move in, you know, and and um, you know, in doing this, you know, increasing our you know, social political positioning, right? And just moving like that, not talking about it on YouTube, not you know, rah-rah, rah, you know, telling people about it, just doing it, because that's what everybody else is doing in this country, you know, and um it's something that we lack as um what regardless of what we call ourselves black African Americans, still Negroes, you know, moving as black people's African Americans, we don't have that. It just doesn't exist. Now, there are you know, are people out there who are politically astute and some who are trying to move in that direction, and we need to work together with our brothers and sisters to make things happen because as a collective, as a people, we don't have that, you know, think for ourselves what are we gonna do. I live in a city called Columbus, Ohio. We have a a large um large Ethiopian population here, large Somalian population here, a lot of Eritreans, right? These East Africans, and um several other people here as well. I mean, you have Haitians, Dominicans here too. And and the thing is that like, you know, just speaking specifically about like Ethiopians and Somalians when they come here, right? Or they have children that are even children that are born here, they're thinking like, okay, we gotta put some of our people in, you know, position. You know, history council and Congress and all that. They're doing all that, right? And so even if you think because here's the thing, they'll have children. Yeah, I hope I'm not getting too far off, but this falls in alignment with the divine plan of the ages because we don't see ourselves like this. So they might have children who were born here or who've been here so long that they might as well have been born here, and so they act just like us in the negative, you know, we're doing the things that we do, and um, but they still have a mentality because of their parents to look out for their community, and so it's not just every man for himself, they're moving as a unit, they're getting certain neighborhoods that they control, even if they all don't live there, there's some that they control, you know, just like Chinatown, they doing it like that too. And so it's like all the Chinese people don't live in Chinatown, all the Somalians don't live in whatever Somalian neighborhood they got, but they all got some kind of ties to it. Maybe they got a store there, you know, and they know they can go there and get things done and not and just have a dollar circulate within their community. They can go to that that Somalian store and buy something, and that dollar, the whatever they spend there, it's just gonna keep going throughout that community. It don't even have to leave because they eventually they're gonna have people, they're gonna have lawyers, they're gonna have banks, they're gonna have everything that they need.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So that's why, yeah, this nationality and divine creed, it ain't played out. This divine plan of the ages is still relevant because we, I mean, we talk about it. Our people aren't stupid, like you know, we know that our dollars don't circulate throughout our community. So the prophet brought this back to us, and he brought this to us a hundred years ago, but it's relevant today, right? And then he also uh a part of this um, a huge part of this divine plan of the ages is which I want to speak on is these free national standards, right?
SPEAKER_02:And this is still this is I don't mean to cut your wisdom.
SPEAKER_01:This is still in the earthly salvation, yeah, yeah, okay, because the earthly, I mean, like for most of us, that's what we're really concerned about. Because it's like we really, you know, we here, we're dealing with this stuff, right? So the free national standards, big huge part of the divine plan of the agents, because free national standards is actually what makes a nation free, all right. Um, I'll break it down. Free national standard, free meaning not under legal constraint of another uh national pertaining to a political community, and then standard, which is you know, uh a model that's deemed perfect or deemed correct. So we have our own model that's deemed perfect to correct. We have our own free national standard. So we're not looking at anyone else or copying anyone else or trying to be like anyone else, where someone can say, oh no, no, you you you're not supposed to be doing that. No. No, we have our own. And so that makes us capable of self-government, right? Because even if everything shut down, we still can be civilized. We're not gonna be, you know, raping and robbing each other and doing terrible things, horrible. No, we we can keep it going, we can make it get even better. We good, you know. Y'all want to shut everything down? We good, we fine, right? So we are capable of doing this, right? And and continue the pursuit of happiness and not be subject to another's power, another's dominion. So these free national standards, they allow us to be ourselves, to be Muslims, right? And we're we're living by the laws of our our our forefathers, and we're able to do this unobstructed upon, right? So this gives us freedom. And it also, you know, it keeps us within the bounds of righteousness. So when we follow in these free national standards, man, we're able to act on our own, do what we need to do, and um to do it unobstructed by anyone else. Nobody can say you can't do that. No, these are our free national standards, leave us alone. All right, and then um the another part of the divine plan of the ages, um, with the prophet bringing us, you know, returning our nationality to us and our you know, our our um divine creed, the spirituality, that's also a legal identity. All right, because the Moslem is a noun, right? Moorish American is an adjective, an adjective is a description, the noun is the identity. So by being Moorish American Moslems, we're connected to to um um ecclesiastical governance, right, right, Islamic jurisprudence, and now we can answer up to the constitutional standard or the constitutional fold, because everyone must know their divine creed and nationality, right? Everybody, even though we're in 2025, 2026, and people, you know, most people of whatever backgrounds that they are, unless they're family or recent immigrants or somewhere else, a lot of people don't really know going back that far. And it don't matter what they look like, you know what I'm saying? They like the average white person. What are you? German and French, got some Indian in me. They they don't they don't know. They grandfather might look like you, and they don't know because a lot of people used to pass, you know, a lot of people back in the early 1900s were passing in the 1800s, and so a lot of these so called white people have, you know, Asiaticism. So I'm just saying, like, it's it's not saying that, like, okay, I I I get it, I understand everybody doesn't know all of this stuff, but at some point in time, you know. They ancestors came over here, immigrated here, they had to answer up to the constitutional standard. They had to declare their um their uh pre-national name. Gotcha. And defined to me. Everybody has to, because you have to be civilized. Everybody has to, you know, to be respected, to be treated um, you know, properly, with respect, to have to fall up under the constitution.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Now, can is it is there any way you can show and prove as to why, or can you show and prove the fact that because we um uh uh uh um use names that allude to slavery and and and and things like that, would can you show and prove that's the reason why we get the treatment that we get?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so I would say it's not so much the labels, just because we still cling to those labels. I understand that's in our constitution, but I think there's more to that when it's saying that we you know suffer because we we cling to the labels that delude to slavery, those labels delude to slavery, and we see like and um when the prophet was saying that Negro, even though it was like hell on our people because of Jim Crow and all that, it wasn't as bad as it is today. That would sound crazy to somebody because you're thinking back then it was bad, but it's like no, back then in the early 1900s, our people were seen as like the moral compass for the entire nation. People thought we were civilized, they thought that we were spiritual, and nobody sees us like that now. So now they say you're Pakistani or Indian or whatever, and you're here, you have a family, you love your little daughter, and she's a grown young lady, and she wants to get with a nigga, and you're looking at him, and his pants are sagging and stuff, and you're like, I don't want my daughter to be a baby mama, you know? You're looking like it's not because he had he clings to the term, you know, it doesn't matter what he calls himself, it might not even be hatred or racism. You it's going off of the perception of what's you know promoted for these people, like they don't have standards, you know, they're not Muslims, they don't, I mean, they they're supposed to be Christians, they're not practicing that either. We don't know what they are, they're infidels, like they don't, you know, and and of course, you can't put that on all of our people because some people are like that, but that's what gets put on us. Like the culture. What is the culture of the black American?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, me personally, I can I could I could answer that, but you know, um but please share, just yeah, it's valid. Now, when I when I say okay, now first off, um you know, I I I proclaimed my nationality years ago, so I already know you know the deal. But uh if I had to put if you know I if I had to put it in layman's terms and say what black culture is, quote unquote, I would say it encompasses all of the teachings. NOI, uh uh the teachers of Noble Joe Ali, 5%, uh uh the black Christian church, uh, you know, African Methodist, uh Prince Hall Masonry, um uh jazz, uh hip hop, um I mean I could go on and on and on. So I would say that would be the culture. It's it's it's it's it's vast.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely. You know, and it's huge, and it's not even all the same because somebody from Louisiana in practicing is that same as somebody from NYC, of course.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And so like it's vast, and it's you know, and um unfortunately we we're not really um in control of our image of what we promote to the world. Like we used to have a BET, and that's no longer even under control of people that might have some kind of concern, you know, because the old BET back in the day they used to have a news program and they got rid of that where they had like the BET uncut and they just started just dumbing it down, and it's like now they don't do any of that, right? So it's out of our control. Other people thought that it was important to control black media, to control the image that goes out to the world. And so if you live in Argentina, even if you live somewhere where, like, you know, melanated people, a lot of melanated people like Nigeria or somewhere like that, the image that you get of black Americans may only be negativity, may only be, you know, the the negative rap music, the the shows like power and all that stuff. We selling drugs, we're doing all this. That's what you see. That's all that gets pushed out to the world, it's socialized and sold to the world. This is the nigga. I even saw, and part of my language, I saw a comedian who was like from um pardon, he was from somewhere in Africa, and he was making a joke talking about how he wanted to come to America and become a nigga, a nigga, and like he saw the stuff he saw the Nelly old video where he sliding the credit card to the woman's backside and all that stuff. Oh, I think I saw that one, and it's like, yeah, it's funny, but it's this is what gets promoted to the world, you know, and so and we're not in control of that. We don't even have like a council, it's like you know, meeting like we must take control of our image, you know. We don't have anything serious like that. That's what this divine plan of the ages is about. We supposed to have that, you know. Like some other people do do, they do have those councils, and nobody knows about it because you don't need to, right? They they control it. They're like, no, we are not gonna have these negative images of Jews going out, you know, and and you don't even hear about them.
SPEAKER_02:Like the JDL, the Jewish defense league.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they'll they're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_02:They're gonna get it shut down.
SPEAKER_01:They don't have to threaten anybody how openly hey, if they come in for me, we like uh yeah, we gotta we gotta stop because they can get your lights up, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, weren't they uh uh uh uh uh um from what I heard, you know. Um I don't know if this is a rumor or actual fact. Um Tupac, weren't they on Tupac's ass? JDM.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I heard I heard that too, you know. I mean, and if we see what happened to him, I mean, like they can get your own people to do it to you. So it's like, look, you know, we don't have that, you know. I mean, we have the resources and the capability of doing it. We have the manpower, we have the people that are smart and talented enough to do it, but we don't so like you know, if if like and even if you've been overseas like and seen this coming from, you know, seeing their TV shows and what's promoted, you see, it's like the negative, you know, coonery, it's the it's the worst image. And so, yeah, if you come here, you're gonna be thinking like they're not even real people, like for some reason they don't even care about their families, they don't think they need to protect their you know, women and children and keep them like something wrong with them, you know, and so yeah, that's why. That's why I think what's even more important because in this day and age, they can't push it like they would have been able to do in 1900, you know, with this openly, I'm against you, let's lynch them. They that wouldn't fly. So now they're like, okay, they control our image, and they've shown our backside to the world, literally, you know, with the sag in the pants and stuff. Savage label, we even wear that with pride.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, when did that become popular?
SPEAKER_01:Man, dude, bro. I was in the store, a clothing store, and I'm in the the child section, right? The little boy section, and they got they got the clothes, a little hip hop bear, and it says savage on it, and these are for little boys, and it's like a woman's gonna see that, she's gonna, oh, that's cute, and get it for a child, you know, because you know it looks like clothes, and so we send our you know, we we taking it on, and then savage and monster and and beast mode, and we going with that, and and that's also you know, beast mode, wasn't that the dude song? Uh Sicko Beast Mode, I forgot what his name was. Uh it was the one guy, he he his his concert, he is like one of his last concerts, people got killed, it went crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, Travis Scott, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he he was beast mode, and people thought it was cool, but it wasn't other people doing it, it was us. They see us doing beast mode and savage, and and and taking that on like it's something to be proud of. We happy, and and making other people think it's cool, like, hey, we we're trying to influence your children and your youth. We trying to influence them to go the wrong way. We want them to think it's cool to do drugs and sell drugs and kill. And so the image is like, whoa, whoa, we don't even want them around our children. They they are horrible people, you know. Maybe they be somebody on a personal level and they're talking to them, oh, you cool, you know. Nothing like this, this is where they're thinking, they're not gonna tell you that you're nothing like this image that I had of you, you know, that was sold to me, you know, and so like that's that's a problem. And it's a problem that most aren't even aware of how deep it is.
SPEAKER_02:Now, now to go through the divine plan of ages, now to control our narrative, our own narrative, our own, you know, political uh uh you know uh power, our own political power, our own um uh media. Um what now when you go through the divine plan of ages, um what's the uh expart expartation and patriation? Expatriation and ex and re repatriation.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so like um repatriation, coming back into our own mindset. I'll say it this time because I don't want to throw people off saying coming back into our own nation because it's like man, well God, you know, like physically it fell, you know? But coming back into that mindset of understanding, knowing that we have to work to create our own community, to empower ourselves, to protect ourselves, and um to do so within the you know constraints of where we're at now. We're we we're citizens of the United States of America. If anybody's saying anything else, I'm like gone somewhere, you know, because like we don't we can't live in fantasy land, right? So so we um are working just like everyone else is doing to build up our nation. You have people here from Mexico, from Venezuela, they get money and they send a portion of it home, you know, to to cousins of somebody that buy some land here, get this, get that, you know, empower themselves, build up their nation, you know, and you know, like they're thinking on that level. And so for us to hey, okay, we don't have to send money nowhere else. We're gonna build it up here. We can get land right here, we fix up our own communities. Other people come into our communities because the property values are low, and it's like the cheapest, you know, land, the cheapest buildings and stuff to buy in town, and so we should be taking advantage of that before anybody else. We should be, you know, like other people come in and they gentrify it, they make the prices go up, and you know, we with the profit like debt and all that stuff, so we we're not victims, like, okay, that's the opportunity for us. We can come in, we can fix things up, we can make it nice, we can make the neighborhood better and and take control, and you know, this is our stronghold, and it traditional, you know, so-called black neighborhood. And so, like, you know, it's just it's um that's that's a part of the repatriation. Expatriation coming out of somebody else's mindset, um, where you're defined by somebody else. The expatriation is because you have your own free national standards, you're coming into your own. You're no longer defined by someone else. What is a Morish American Muslim? You know, like do we are we just down for whatever? It's like you see a Morse American Muslim, you know, young man out there, you know, walking around sagging, he got the ski mask on, he got the whole hood, hoodie uh costume on. And you should be able to pull them to the side, you know, respectfully. Like, you know, XYZ, that's why, you know, probably shouldn't be doing that, and you know, should be able to listen to you, you know, like a human will be able to do.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Because I would assume like an Indian man or a Pakistani man or a Chinese man will be able to do that to their own use, even though it's not your son. And they're gonna respect it. That might not change nothing, but they're gonna respect it. They're gonna shoot you, you know, on the spot.
SPEAKER_02:So we we're supposed to be able to do that because we have our own standards and our own way of doing things, and that that that that that new that standard and own way of doing things is repartition, repatriation, repatriation.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so that's the coming back into our own ways. This is how we conduct business, this is how we move. Everything that we do is supposed to fall within the bounds of righteousness. We have five divine principles, right? So everything we do is supposed to fall within, you know, the divine principles of love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice because those are the five highest principles known to man. So, like if me and you are doing business, we're supposed to be able to trust each other. You ain't gotta worry about no sideways stuff.
SPEAKER_02:We're, you know, I keep hearing this right here. I I hear this a lot when I speak to Moors. I hear this a lot when I'm in a in Moorish circles. That part right there, right? That trust part, I'm supposed to be able to trust you, you know, uh, with the, you know, you're not gonna do no snake business or nothing like that, right?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:In a perfect world, yes, right? Like, so I would love to be like that. That would be great, you know, if we were all on the same accord. And not only that, um we have so much garbage in our minds from being Negro, black, and color, is you know, it it takes some mind, you know, like mind-changing, like reprogramming to, you know, for that. You know, and and that I guess that's where the uh the teachings come in, the circle seven, one on one and all that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and so that's why for us, the prophet's words, the prophet Noble Drahi is it's it's law for us. Like for me, you know, the divine constitution and bylaws, um, even our Quran questionnaire, our holy Quran, right? That's law. So if you're not falling in line with that, it's a problem, it's an issue. It's like, no, we can't do this together. I don't even want you around my family, my children. You know, I'll trust you. I don't care what you claim to be. And it's you know, it might seem harsh, but it has to be like that. That's the peaceful way of doing it. The other way of doing it is if you're claiming to be a more and you're not in line, you know, somebody might be violent with you, they might deal with you harshly, you know, because you're you're you're you're um you know out of line, and there's repercussions for that. But you know, the peaceful manner is just not even dealing with you. You know, I don't care. Claim to be, I don't care. You're you're not real, you know. And that don't mean like, you know, attacking people or nothing. It just means you know you can't trust them. It lets you know in there that you know there's people, you know, when when we're you know, under the carnal mind, when our our carnal mind is ruling us, we love the darkness. We love it. And it don't matter what we claim, it doesn't matter how charismatic it can be, we love the darkness and we hate the light. So there's nothing you can do. I mean, like that's at the end of the day, that's that ensures our success too. You know, so like ideally, it's supposed to be hey, this I'm not trying to do nothing to your wife, I'm not trying to do nothing to your children. If we're dealing business together, I'm not trying to get over, take money from you. If you left a hundred dollars, two hundred, a thousand dollars on the table, like hey brother, you know, I'm giving your money, like forget that. I don't ain't no way in hell I'm taking that, right? But yeah, if we if we don't internalize this stuff, if we don't take decisions, if it's not a law, ain't no telling what they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_02:Right now, uh do you think that's possible for people to internalize this and see uh, you know, maybe like they have to see a stack of money and go to the one of the brothers or sisters and say, hey man, you you left your money, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do. I mean, you know, when I see I see it, you know, across the board with people who who take the the measures um from the prophet seriously, you know, but in order for people to to stay with that, because that's like you know, feeling, you know, feeling um in order for people to take it seriously, they have to see improvement in their life, you know, at the end of the day. Like it had the these teachings, these lessons have to be improving your life so that you know that it's real, you know that it works, right? But yeah, I do see that you know happening with people from all walks of life. So I know it's real, I know it's possible. You know, I'm not saying like only people who's well off gonna turn the money away. Now, people, even somebody who doesn't have it, who needs it, who's struggling, they will. Why? Because they know this works, they know this is real.
SPEAKER_02:Indeed. Now, civics and earthly salvation for Moorish Americans. Civics is the branch of political science that deals with civic civic affairs and the rights and duties of citizens. Uh, Prophet Nobu Jali stated the mission statement of Moorish, uh of the Moorish Science Temple America was is to uplift the fallen, uplift fallen humanity. So, how do you see that? Um, you know, the civics piece.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so I'm gonna add one more thing to what you said, what the prophet said the Moore Science Temple of America was about. Pardon, uh dry over here. So, another portion to add to that of what this is about, the temple is also to make its members better citizens. And a lot of people um want to shy away from that because of all the um crazy talking stuff that's out there in the internet. People are so like far gone they don't even know. They think being a citizen means being a slave. Being a citizen means you're a member of a free rural society. That means that you have capability of you know forming the government, you know, to fit you, to serve you, right? And so um, you know, better citizens means empowered, unified, politically uh educated people. That's what real sit better citizens are. So if in the school system, they're not really like they do all right jobs, but they're not really showing us how like at the local level, you know, hey, get involved with the school board, with the you know, the city council, all of those things so that you can fix and make sure that this is why I think this is why I think uh they do an all right job.
SPEAKER_02:I think the school is supposed to set the tone, right? To give the basics, right? And then it's you know, assuming I don't know, whoever created this system years ago, they've assumed that the family structure was gonna stay tight, the community was gonna stay tight, and the local politics would would all you know come together and stay together. But it it's it's not like that anymore. At one point it was, and then things have changed due to social, social and economic engineering.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And so that I mean, that's not even really a bad thing because maybe in some communities like um in Ohio, Pennsylvania, we have the Amish communities out here. Maybe within the Amish communities, they do pick up, you know, the kind and keep it going, and they make sure that they're civically educated, you know. Because then some of the Amish communities, their children go to public schools with the other children, right? And they do go in there, they even have Amish teachers in there, you know, and then they go back into their communities. I've seen that, like, and so I'm just saying that because there's like ways that it can be done, you know, in this reality in the modern times for real. And you don't have to be dependent on the government to do that. Like within the temple, we can do that to make sure that okay, we we know what we're supposed to do. And those of us who are more politically astute, you know, maybe can you know do this work on our behalf, right? To make sure we're informed and we're doing this and we're moving in certain directions, you know, but we still have to be um educated to a certain degree to make sure that those people don't get corrupt and they're just taking handouts or whatever, you know. So it's like, you know, we at the end of the day, like we can't put the um blame off on anyone else.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, we it does have to be a part of our life, how we live, even in the household, like you were saying, like with the family. We have to take it seriously and get involved. And so this is, you know, this is a portion, a portion of the divide plan of the ages, like getting back into this, you know, so that we can um take advantage of the opportunities that we have, you know, anything. That's one thing that I seen living in a third so-called third world country for like five years, right? The um where we lived at in um Brazil, Salvador, the Bahia, like 90% of the population is Afro-Brazilian, and their poverty is like extreme poverty. Like, they you don't rise up from poverty, they don't have nice um new libraries in the hood and stuff like that. Like, just saying that because they just built one in this hood called Driving Park, and it's brand new, and it's out here in Columbus, and it's like they have like brand new everything in there, you know, it's state of the art, it's nice, and it's like they built this for our people because it's like you look at the demographics, it's like the people that's gonna be going up in there, they look like us, and so you know, they you got access to high-speed internet and all this stuff. Like we have um we have resources, we have everything that we need right here to empower ourselves, and then on top of that, we're from here and we're generations in, so we understand and know how this country works. We don't have to like learn a new culture or a new language, like you know, somebody coming here from some other country, like, you know, we got this, right? We got it, you know, and so you know, this is really what it's about. It's like like the prophet, you know, is looking at it like y'all have everything that you need. That's why allegedly um there's a uh a moment where he stood up and told the Morris, you know, um he's holding up three items the Quran, the Constitution, and the the Quran course in there, and he said, I brought you everything that it needs that you need, you know, to save your nation. Uplift yourself and like take it and uplift yourselves. Because we actually have everything that we need. You know, we have all the resources, we have everything here. Um, you know, we just have to change our mentality. That's why most of the work is the stuff that may turn some people off, may seem boring to people, the working on yourself. When you go in the Quran, it's all about working on ourselves, subduing our lower self, getting more um control, you know, gaining control over our carnal desires, right? Being able to think and move and act from the higher self, you know, refining ourselves so that we can make better use of what we have, so that we can better employ the talents that we already have, you know. Right, and that's on the individual level. Then the divine plan of the age is the working together as a unit now. Okay, this is how we move. So we we gonna take care of ourselves, you know, politically, financially, you know, um, you know, economically, uh, politically, and socially. So then we're good. We can have, we can live, you know, life how we see fit, even here in America, unimposed upon. We can control our own communities, whether we in the middle of a city or out, you know, in the boondocks, you know, just like in the country.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:We can we can do it regardless of where we are. And you know, and it doesn't even take a whole lot of us, you know. We can do it in small patches. It might only be a couple hundred in this city. It's like serious enough to come together and work together to push to make their community. We can still get it done. Hundreds, you know, moving in one direction, and actually, that's a lot of power, you know. But like we can get that up to thousands, too, you know. But you gotta start from where you're working at, so it don't even have to be a lot of us. I definitely agree with the Ada Moore, the poverty is a mindset. So once we change the mind, everything else falls in line. We got to do that first.
SPEAKER_02:I I think that's where a lot of I would say brothers. Um I want to say, you know what, I want to say a lot. I'm gonna say some brothers and sisters, they don't understand. That's that was the pro that is the prophet's mission. The change internally, right? You know, it's it's always, you know, we all the prophet always spoke about the lowest self and the higher self. The teachings in general always talked about the lowest self and the highest self, like subduing the lowest self and rising above and uh becoming like a a more American, like a new, like a new, a new person, right? And um, I think sometimes we like me myself personally, I wasn't going into the temple to uh change myself. I was going into the temples for the tax breaks. Well yeah, yeah, they're like brother, this is not the this is not it. That you came in here for the wrong things, and I'm like, what? And then they broke it down, and you know, I stayed, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, um yeah, so so you know, I I think a lot of uh a lot of people or some people missed that point right there, you know, just like a brother came into the chat earlier and said, you know, everything is all that sounds good, and so you you know you need to go and handle some legal trouble. You know, you know, this is not what this is about. And that's the misconception about the whole movement.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, definitely.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, about the whole movement. But you know, um, we're out of time now. Um I thank you for having uh thank you for coming up this evening. I really appreciate you. Uh love to have you again. Um and continue this build on the uh divine plan of the age. I want to continue this build on this here. Anything you want to say before we cut out of here?
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, definitely. Uh brother, before I close, I just want to give honors to you. Um, you're doing a great job. I'm subscribed to you on my um regular YouTube and on my Moiston America YouTube. I Suggest everybody do the same. Um, anybody that's already on Moors in America, make sure you go over here and subscribe to this brother's doing a great job, great work. Um interviewing across the board, you know, across the spectrum, which is important because as you were saying earlier, that's the culture. You know, it's not just one way, one view, one way of looking at things. And so I definitely agree with you. And um, just before I close, I just wanted to share a couple of things. Um, want to invite every listener um who felt the message, you felt this, you feel like any of this was um was on the right path. Make sure that you um if you if you want to deepen your understanding of the prophet noble drew Ali's divine plan, and you you know want to do that work to reclaim your national identity. Um you can start with my book, Unlocking the Keys. Um you can you can find Unlocking the Keys on Amazon. You can also go to MooresNAmerica.com. We're doing some work on the website, but you can get it from me there. And unlocking the keys basically uh my new book is a breakdown of the um Quran questionnaire from the Moore Scientific Book of America. Um it gives you practical tools for self-mastery, right? Because you know, the words that are in there, these are you know spiritual lessons, they really are keys. We call the Quran questions keys. These really are keys that can help to unlock the power within you. So the powerful book to get that's unlocking the keys.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, real quick, I just want to make sure this is the this is what they should check out. Mooresinamerica.com, right there.
SPEAKER_01:That's correct, brother. Gratitude for sharing that. You can get that book directly from me, moresinamerica.com. I'll autograph it for you, or you can get it from Amazon. You can always tap in with me on the podcast. Uh, the videos also um more's in America on YouTube, now on Instagram and TikTok too as well. And all is you can just go to moresinamerica.com. So if you want to get the book from me, just go to moresinamerica.com. Um, also, uh, just wanted to say uh a few things before I close. Also, just want to invite you all to connect with the actual institutions that we're building for our people. If you are interested in strengthening your home, improving relationships, um, just learning about the divine partnership, you know, of marriage or obligation.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_01:We are creating a Moorish marriage council.
unknown:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:Go to Mooreshmarriage.com. All right, this is a work in progress, but I I expect to have Ashley up and running um as we go into this new year, 2026. So go to Morris Marriage.com. Uh, we'll be hosting sessions, discussions, and and moving up to actual physical gatherings, right? Well, we're coming together because what we really have to do is restore the foundation of family life in our community. The family is supposed to be so important and just like you don't mess with the Moore family at all, you know, and so we we you know re-establishing that and uh bringing that to the forefront. And for those in Ohio, central Ohio, especially, right Columbus area, but then also um anywhere in Ohio and even nationwide, you can tap in with our commute our temple. We are Unity Temple number 30. And you can go just to Moorish Americans.com. Yeah, the information on there to reach out, tap in. Um if you're in Columbus, Ohio, join us on November 23rd for our community food giveaway. We'll be serving the people, giving back, showing actually what Islam looks like in action. So if you want to come support, volunteer, bring someone who may be in need. Um you can go to care more care-more.org. If you would like to get more information about the upcoming giveaway, or if you just want to donate to assist us in that great work of uplifting following humanity, go to care-more.org. And this is all a part of the divine work. So, you know, I just ask if you want to assist, join us, you know, or you can you know, send some support. And the same likewise with the temple at Morris Americans.com. Thank you, thank you. Gratitude to you for opening up your platform to me, brother. I support you, I support what you're doing, doing a great job, and thank you.
SPEAKER_02:You're welcome, you're welcome. On that note, we are out of here. Thank y'all for joining us this evening, people in the chat, uh, and the viewers, etc. Next podcast, Friday evening, and we are out of here. Peace.
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