Theology of Time Part 2

What if theology wasn’t an abstract cloud but a clock you could read? We sit down with Minister Eric Muhammad to unpack why the Theology of Time isn’t an add-on to faith—it’s the engine that drives mission, discipline, and community life. From the first salute, we set a clear aim: connect belief to practice, and practice to time.

We trace how the 1972 lectures live on as audio, then dig into the real question: what does “theology” mean when we call it the study of the nature of God? That single shift—from distant idea to lived nature—changes everything. Nature shows up in habits, enterprise, health, and culture. Time gives those patterns a stage, revealing arcs of rise, rule, and reckoning. We walk through key Lessons: the two germs in the original man, the grafting that produced a weaker line, and the fixed six-thousand-year window of rule. Whether you read those teachings literally or as a rigorous moral history, the thread holds: power demonstrates its essence within a set duration, and the close of an era is not random but written.

Along the way, we address the most common misunderstandings. This is not mysticism for mysticism’s sake; it’s a practical lens to understand why discipline and business are spiritual work, why revelation arrives on schedule, and why clarity demands context. When Eric Muhammad says the Theology of Time is the mission, he means it literally: it organizes how we study, how we build, and how we prepare for transition. Even a brief technical hiccup can’t derail the flow, and perhaps that’s the point—timing, patience, and precision are the muscles we train.

If you’re ready to rethink how faith interacts with calendars, culture, and power, press play and join us. Subscribe, share the episode with someone who needs a sharper lens on history, and leave a review with the one insight that shifted your perspective.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening Salutes And Setup
• 0:44 NYP Talk Show Mission And Support
• 1:41 Introducing Theology Of Time
• 2:05 How The Lectures Were Recorded
• 3:39 Discipline, Business, And Genius
• 4:22 Intent Behind The 1972 Lectures
• 6:18 Why Theology Of Time Equals The Mission
• 7:02 Defining Theology As Nature Of God
• 8:24 Lessons, Timeframes, And Yaqub
• 10:45 Power, Rule, And The Six Thousand Years
• 12:10 Technical Glitch And Reset
• 12:41 Common Misunderstandings Clarified
• 15:20 Revelation And The End Of An Era

Transcript

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SPEAKER_02: 0:13

What's going on, everybody out there? Everybody out there is Ron Brown LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, aka So Brother Number One, reporting for duty. We got Minister Eric Mohammed in the building. My brother definitely have a greater appreciation for this brother right now, man. You can't tell me nothing about Eric Muhammad right now. Nothing. I'll be pissed off if you talk crazy about brother Eric Muhammad right now. So I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you, brother. Thank you for coming out this evening. Before we start this podcast, let me run the commercial.

SPEAKER_00: 0:49

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SPEAKER_02: 1:40

All right, we're back. We're back. Thank you, Brother Eric Mohammed, for coming out this evening. Tonight we're talking about theology of time. Theology of time part two. Now, um, from my research and things and learning from other brothers, uh, theology of time was in an audio. Yes, sir. Okay, it's a four-part audio.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05

Actually, it may be four parts, if not five, but the parts are comprised of several different lectures. In other words, four parts doesn't mean it's just four lectures. You know, it starts in June and goes all the way to October, from what I can remember. So that's that's a whole lot of lectures.

SPEAKER_02: 2:32

Okay. Now, um, one of the brothers told me to it to not get it on YouTube, but it's all over YouTube, though. The theology of time, yes, sir. Yeah, so that have you checked that one out on YouTube? Absolutely. Okay, okay. So would you say there's some uh you know validity to what the brother's saying?

SPEAKER_03: 2:53

Actually, what's on YouTube is not actual video. You know how you make a video out of an audio, right? All you have is a thumbnail showing the whole the whole time the video is playing, and you're just listening to audio. Okay, that's what theology of time is. You know what I mean? Like you can turn the audio file into a file that you can upload to YouTube, and you just pick a thumbnail, and that's your video.

SPEAKER_02: 3:26

Gotcha. Okay. Uh, peace, God, peace to Allah's five percent. Peace, peace to the God, uh, Rasan Allah. All right, now, um, theology at time. Um, you know, first off, man, what I'm learning right now in this journey I'm taking, um certain things I didn't know. Like, I didn't know how uh uh how deep the business was in the nation of Islam. And I see why. Like it has a lot to do with uh discipline, discipline of the mind and body. And um that's what I'm learning. And and I think it's uh it's genius, it's genius, it's genius with uh Master Farad Mohammed Broad and uh uh um uh honorable Elijah Muhammad Broad is genius. So I just want to ask you, what do you think about that statement?

SPEAKER_03: 4:24

Genius, yes, it's emphatically true that it is genius, it's in fact the black man is God. I mean, what else can you say? The black man is God, right? So we can we we could expect nothing less than the genius that you are referring to, and with the nation of Islam, we do everything, we're all wise, we do everything right and exact.

SPEAKER_02: 4:53

Now, um now, being that it's genius, right? The way it is uh disseminated to the people and the way that it's practiced, it brings out the genius in God and all of us. That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 5:09

Okay, exactly right.

SPEAKER_02: 5:11

Right. And um, and uh I I respect the teachings on another level right now by even just seeing certain things, you know what I'm saying? Um, so now uh uh uh what was Elijah Muhammad's intention behind delivering the theology of time lectures in 1972.

SPEAKER_03: 5:31

Well, I could speculate on that, but I don't like speculating when it comes to the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. I don't know of any book, I don't know of any lecture, I don't know of any article where the messenger specifically or where he specifies this is why I did that series of lectures from June to October in 1972.

SPEAKER_02: 6:02

Okay, okay. Uh well aikum salam, brother. Walaikum salam, brother. Um oh yeah, asalam alaykum, brother Eric, Mr. Eric Mahmoud. Um, peace to Leo the Lion, peace to you. Um, how does these teachings fit into the larger mission of the nation of Islam, the theology of time?

SPEAKER_03: 6:26

How does it fit into the actually? The theology of time can't be separated from the larger mission. The theology of time actually is the mission, it literally is. Uh, I'll explain it like this: the title Theology of Time. When you go to the definition of theology, I always thought that you break it down from two words, theos and ology. Ology meaning study of and theos meaning God, and therefore, theology means the study of God. But when I went and got the white man's definition of his word, theology, it's a white man's word, he defined it as not the study of God, but the study of the nature of God. And so I learned from that definition that the white man is bearing witness that God is man and not spirit. What do you mean, the nature of God? The Holy Quran says that Islam is the nature of Allah. I had always understood those words to mean that. But when the white man says theology is the study of the nature of God, we're not talking about something mystical, magical. We're talking about something natural, the nature of God. Now, when you say that theology means the nature of God, and in the study of the nature of God, you're studying that nature in the context of time, then what that suggests is there is something about the nature of God relative to time that deals with scripture, the prophets, revelation. All right, now in lesson number two, we deal with the nature of God, right? In the black man, there exists two germs, right? One a black germ, one a brown germ. Yaqu with his law and birth control separated the black germ and destroyed it, right? And grafted the brown germ from the black man by destroying the black germ. After following this process for 600 years, he's talking about the brown germ. Now, the germ became white and weak and was no longer the same, right? Also, by thinning the original blood, it became weak and wicked and was no longer original. Now, this goes into another part of lesson number two, where we are asked about Yaqub, tell us what he promised his nation he would do, right? That he would make a devil, grafting from his own people, and teach the devil how to rule his people for what six thousand years. So, in those two degrees of lesson number two, you deal with the nature of God, the black man, and you deal with time, right? There's something in the nature, the natural makeup of the black man that has produced what we have as a world today, meaning because there are two germs in the black man, a white man was grafted from us from one of those germs, the weak and recessive one, the wicked material in us. And that man could only rule us for six thousand years before we would produce another man that would not only destroy that man, but make it impossible for another man like him to ever be produced from us again. And that's why, in another degree of that same lesson, we're asked then why did God create devil to show forth what his power that he could make a devil, give the devil power to rule for six thousand years, and then come and destroy the devil in one day without becoming victim to the devil's civilization. So you have the study of the nature of God and a specific time, right? Tell us how many years, months, and days of devils being birthed on the planet, right? So you have the nature of God, black and brown germ, and you have the years, months, and days of devils being grafted on our planet, the why to show forth his power. There you have the theology of time.

SPEAKER_02: 11:59

Oh man. Okay. I don't know. Anybody heard that right there? That was a great, great, great breakdown. That was a great, great breakdown. Okay, so uh, real quick, I just want to check something. Oh man, my speakers, uh, my phone. Oh man. All right, anyway. All right. So sorry, sorry for people um on on the audio, on Spotify, and uh Apple music. Sometimes my um my uh my my computer thing messes up. Sorry about that. We'll we'll we'll get that fixed on the next episode, which is tomorrow. All right, so now um that was a beautiful break, wonderful breakdown, Kiki. He did his thing on that one right there. All right. So now um, how do these teaching okay? We went to that. Uh, what key misunderstandings do outsiders have about the theology of time?

SPEAKER_03: 12:56

That's a good one. The misunderstanding that they have about the theology of time, there's more than one aspect of the misunderstanding. But I would say, in the big picture sense of the term, what is missed is what I just wrote down. I even missed it, and that is that the whole study of theology is the reality of God, the person, the reality of God, like it says in the first page of Message to the Black Man, you know, God being made like many things other than what he really is, because we didn't know what he really was, and so we worship what we thought, what our own ideas were of what he really was, and even that is an aspect of the time because it wasn't time for him to reveal what he really was, you know. Ever since the deportation of the moon, that knowledge was kept from the public, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us. And it was not to be revealed until the end of the white man's world, and so that's when Master Farad Muhammad revealed it.

SPEAKER_01: 14:29

Your mic is muted.

SPEAKER_03: 15:51

He said they will shut their mouths in him, and he he thought it meant they would shut our mouths in him.