Astrology Vs Cosmology- RahsMariah Bey

What if skepticism could sit in the front row while the cosmos holds the chalk? Ron invites Ros Mariah Bay to read his chart on air—Scorpio Sun, double Libra rising and Moon—and the result is a candid, concrete tour of elements, modalities, and houses that sounds less like mysticism and more like a user manual. We walk through how fixed water meets cardinal air, why a drive for fairness shows up so strongly, and how strict family roots can evolve into nurturing leadership without losing discipline.

The conversation zooms out to the bigger map. Ros explains why astronomy charts locations, cosmology frames the system, and astrology tracks effects you can actually feel—think Moon and tides as the most obvious example. Language itself becomes a breadcrumb trail: Monday for Moon, Tuesday for Mars, Wednesday for Mercury. That seven-day rhythm isn’t random; it’s a living archive of planetary influence hiding in plain sight. Instead of arguing belief, we test utility: does this framework help you choose partners, communicate your purpose, and align your work with your soul?

We also dig into vocation and service. With Sagittarius energizing the third house, Ron’s pull toward teaching and broadcasting higher learning makes sense. A Piscean influence in the house of health and service signals a real-time shift: integrating spirituality into daily work, not as a detour but as the point. If your past trained you in order and control, the growth edge might be compassion. If your talent is supervision, the call might be to champion justice without burning out. This is astrology as a disciplined practice of knowing yourself and giving people grace—because patterns explain behavior, and awareness changes outcomes.

If this sparked questions or nudged your view, share it with a friend who loves evidence and wonder in equal measure. Subscribe for more truth-forward conversations, leave a review to help others find us, and tell us: what did your chart get right—or wrong—about you?

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening, Intro, And Sponsor Message
• 1:27 Guest Introduction And Episode Setup
• 3:20 Astrology Vs Cosmology: Framing The Topic
• 5:15 Host’s Chart: Scorpio Sun, Double Libra
• 10:20 Elements And Modalities Explained
• 15:45 Family Roots, Discipline, And The Nadir
• 20:40 Fairness, Justice, And Libra Energy
• 25:05 Partnerships, Autonomy, And Aries Lessons
• 29:10 Communication House And Sagittarius Drive
• 34:00 Service, Health, And Spiritual Transformation
• 39:50 Skepticism Meets Evidence: Effects And Science
• 45:30 Cosmology, Astronomy, And Cultural Language
• 52:20 Seven-Day Cycle, Calendars, And Meaning
• 58:30 Resources, Classes, And Closing Remarks

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:01

Three, two. What's going on? Uh what's going on out there, everybody? It's Ron Brown, LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, aka Soul Brother Number One, Reporting for Duty. We have the sister Ros Mariah Bay in the building. Thank you for coming out this evening. Before we go into it, we got to run this commercial. We got to run this commercial. I have to make sure this commercial is played at least twice in the podcast. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00: 0:36

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SPEAKER_01: 1:26

All right, all right. We're back. We're back. We're back. The sister Ros Mariah Bade, the legendary. I like to call her the legendary. You know, we gotta give uh our people their flowers while they're here. You know, that's for sure. She's been putting in work for so many years now, and uh, like I said, she deserves her flowers. But we're talking about cosmology, first of all, astrology versus cosmology. Before we go into it, how you doing, sister?

SPEAKER_04: 1:55

I'm fine. I'm just fine, and I thank you for uh inviting me here. I'm honored to be here today. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03

Honored to have you. Honored to have you. Honored to have you now. Uh before we go into the my questions, we were discussing my chart in the beginning. And I like the way you broke it down. And so I don't mind people knowing my business in regards to my sign and all of that, right? Uh, because some of you know I am a skeptic. You've been watching the show for for however long you've been watching the show. Some of you know that I am a skeptic about astrology. So um uh I I want to hear the breakdown and and learn today. So um we spoke about my sign, right? And uh let's go into it. So I had uh my sun sign is Scorpio, right? And then uh uh my rising is Libra and my moon sign is Libra.

SPEAKER_04: 2:58

All right, look at that double Libra on there. Now I don't have his chart in front of me. I I wish I had, but I'm going for what he's telling me, and that he rises as a Libra, so that can set your houses in order, and that he is a Scorpio. So if he rises as a Libra, then Libra's in the first house at the time he was born, thereby Scorpios, obviously, because it stays in order in the second house, and his um mid-heaven is Cancer, and his nadir is Capricorn. So, what you have for all those out there that know this the wheel, he is absolutely reversed because the first house is ruled by Aries, and the seventh house, you know, the polar reflection would be Libra, but he's reversed, so just reverse the chart from what he's telling me. Again, I haven't pulled it up, but even with that little bit right there. So, first thing you look at is I'm a Scorpio, which is water, right? And obviously in the second house, which is Earth, Tars' house. Then you look at your rising or your moon, because that's the real you. It's not the astrology sign. That's the easiest thing they could put on display. That's the easiest thing they could sell as a uh commodity or as whatever they you know commercially. So that's why a lot of people they just get to topical and think, oh, yeah, and become skeptical, right? So you really are a Libra. That's your moon sign. Your moon side, that's your soul. Your soul is a Libra expressing itself through the dictates of or the characteristics of a scorpion, and then your rising being um the the Libra, right? All right, so you're expressing, you're presenting yourself through the characteristics of a le of a Libra, which is what you say you're I mean, uh, I'm sorry, you're expressing the dictates of your soul, which is a Libra, through the presentment of a Libra. So you got a double hit there. I myself personally have five. I have five signs in Libra. So how about five? Yeah, crazy, right? Yes, so balance and all that is very important. But so you first thing that you would look at is that what is the element? See, we talk about going to elementary school and we don't know anything about the elements, right? That's the first thing that you learn. A lot of people say, I just want to learn my sign. What's my sign? What does my sign mean? But it's a combination. So the element is for your sun is water, and the element for your moon self inside is air, so and and so is your rising, which is communication, waves, waves. So you start thinking, well, how does air and water work together? Because a lot of times the air brings breath or life to the water or the vegetation in the water, but then it becomes a fizzy, bubbly thing. So certain aspects you like you don't listen to yourself. You know, it's you don't you don't take it your own advice. I'm not saying you don't, but the whatever those aspects are in, it's like what is the what is the uh elements? Now, what that also means is that because water and air are interchangeable, then it's all good if you learn how to work with what's being, you know, what's in front of you in terms of dealing with the air and the water. Well, the other thing you look at is all right, what modality is the scorpion fixed, meaning fixed, stagnated water, not moving. You feel everything. There is if there's a ripple in the water, the scorpion feels it. And then also the propensity, propensity to not want to change things like they're good, like they are, but now your other two signs, which is your soul sign, Libra, and your presentment, Libra, you're forced to be outgoing because Libra is it's an air sign, but it's a cardinal sign, meaning that you're gonna get stuff started. So that's what you deal with with yourself is you know, you want to keep it like it is, but you want to get it started also, right? Because that's what that energy does. And so that that I just explained to you, you if you're shaking your head like you can relate, correct? What are we really talking? We're talking science, we're talking elements, we're talking cause and effect, not belief systems. See, if people actually were to deal with astrology as the science that they say it is, or cosmology, I'm gonna give that in a second, we'll get there, then they would understand why it why other forces to be don't want you to deal with it. One, if you want to talk about a study, it's infinite. If you want to talk about I met I can never complete this study because it's infinite, that's the science you would be into. Two, knowing astrology and the energies or cosmology, cosmogeny, you know, astronomy, like, and astrology, knowing that and knowing what it does, what it does, it helps you first and foremost to know yourself. Because every discipline that ever exists says, man, know thyself. And then it says, Oh, you're marked by quote God. Well, what's the mark? As the energies of the cosmos, and then you know, we'll get more into that. But back to you. So you came from on your nadir, because that's all I can really see in from what I'm saying now. You came from a place of discipline and order. So either your grandmother, your mother, your your family, um, somewhere they they they were strict or strict discipline or strict order.

SPEAKER_01: 9:16

Yeah, well, my um it's so funny you're saying that. Uh this is funny. This is really funny, you know. You're getting me on this one. My uh my uh my my grandfather, he was in the military. Um you know, World War II. Um, my my my my grandmother, she was just super disciplined. She worked at uh, I forgot where she worked, but downtown somewhere, and she was every Sunday. She was everything had to be right and exact, every single thing. Um, and then uh have family and law enforcement and all that too.

SPEAKER_04: 9:56

Wow. Now, what did I just say? I said you're in the dear where you came from, was strict discipline and order. Not because Ros Mariah's nose, it's because once you, me, or anyone understands what the energies are and how they work on that precious wheel that was left by our ancient ancestors, some call it a Dendara or whatever you want to call it, is the teaching tool for the elements. And you can start out with the elements. Well, how does fire and air work? Oh, well, fire needs a certain amount of air to burn. Well, too much air to burn out of control. Yes, it's called moderation and balance, because everything needs moderation and balance in life, right? So now, what you are seeking, or what your generational baggage is, if that's what you want to call it, is that you become a little bit more or less stern, a little bit more nurturing or sensitive to others' feelings or others' that owners.

SPEAKER_01: 11:03

I'm not, hey, you hold up, hold up, time out. That was that was good. That was a good one, right there. Nurturing, I am not. I'm I'm terrible with that. I'm more like, we gotta get this done. This is what it is. Let's go. I don't care. Cry, but get out and let's keep it moving. Like, yeah, so nurturing, I am not. I'm terrible.

SPEAKER_04: 11:36

Yes, that's the sternness and the discipline. So, what you might want to say, all right. So now I don't know what your north and south notice because what I just read to you is your generation, meaning your family, quote unquote, um, quote, what they want to call baggage or what needs to be changed, or what you you you can you can this time break through and make change for if it had if it needs needed to be. So that so I'm only looking at your four cardinal points. I you know, and from what you just told me, I don't know where your self note is that I have to punch it up, and I didn't do that because because listen, guy, he didn't tell me until I came on on the preview, and then he reminded me that years and years ago, back when we were at New York, I did his chart for him. So, of course, if I didn't know that, I would have pulled it up and I would be more exacting today. But I think I'm kind of exacting, obviously, from the reactions with what is here. So now the other thing is um, let me see, even though uh all right, so being a Libra on your rising, you do concern yourself with fairness and and uh uh you know justice and people being treated fairly.

SPEAKER_01: 12:48

That's just wearing on your sleeve, right? Man, listen, that is me. I'm just saying, like, listen, I am it's gotta be right and exact, it's gotta be fair. If it's not fair, I'm coming with the justice. I'm coming with the justice. Like, nah, that's not right. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that.

SPEAKER_04: 13:10

Okay, so I'm reading all of this with with just this limited information, knowing what the cardinal points are and what they mean. So you rise that way, you you wear that part on your sleeve, and then with you, since you're a double Libra and it's also your moon, it's really deep for you. It's really an accentuated. Now, as far as see what you think of this one, as far as the people you want to associate with, whether it be a mate, whether it be a business partner or whatever, you tend more towards people who are self-initiated, has their own business, are initiators, can get stuff going, even in your pro your life.

SPEAKER_01: 13:59

I would say so. Yeah. They're responsible. They're yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 14:06

Unless you let that, unless you let that Capricorn in the fourth house take over and want to be in control of everything and everybody in your life. Unless you do that, what you really need is someone that is self-starting, self-initiating, um, not so dependent.

SPEAKER_02: 14:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 14:27

Right, because that's what the Aries represents. And in your case, that's really self. We're all supposed to be, you know, selfful, you know, we shouldn't be selfless. But Libras can tend to be selfless because they're so concerned about everyone else being everything else being fair and right, and they like to deal with unity, uh, like that. But like I said, well, sometimes I say it's just it's we when it's might just be me, you know, because if it has to get done, it has to get done, right?

SPEAKER_01: 14:58

Right.

SPEAKER_04: 14:58

So you're not gonna, you know, wait on that. So that's what I see just tip topically on doing those points.

SPEAKER_01: 15:07

Now, um, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie, brother. I'm a skeptic, but this right here, this right here has me like, whoa. And you see me on uh uh uh Facebook, you've been following me on Facebook for a little while, so you kind of sort of know my personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think she's she you spot on on some of them joints right there, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 15:34

Okay, uh, yeah, and if we get you like more uh in-depth on your chart, like like I would love to know what your south and north node is, because like I read to you, your family generational obstacle or whatever, you have a personal one, it's your soul's one. And so when you find out what your south node and north node is, then that tells you what you need to overcome personally on your soul baggage. Because, like, uh, and what you'll find out is that even if you haven't gotten there yet, you'll find that you can very easily be that way. Like, for instance, right now, Capricorn being on your on your uh nadir, right? The root, you can very easily you know what discipline and order is. You can teach, you can teach that because you have that, because you've experienced. But the other part of cancer with the nurturing, that's what you need to learn. So we all very uh easily slip back into where we came from and what we know, we know, we know. And that's why some people, if they don't evolve with themselves, they'll just stay kind of stuck back to what they know, um, that they know rather. Yeah, so that's what it'll indicate for you on your south node, and no one may know that but you or people who are really close to you, right?

SPEAKER_01: 17:02

Um, this brother right here, uh Keenan, he said, moon on the ascendant makes total sense how you share your feelings and insight a lot. Because I when I'm on Facebook, I share my insight, my feelings, and all that on Facebook. So I guess that's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_04: 17:20

Uh uh yes, that is what he's saying, because whatever is in the first house um is how you present yourself, which means it's what's worn on your sleeve, you know, like everybody can see that. It's right there. And so what he's saying now, you go into the level of how uh, like I just said, to know what the elements are, and then I say to know what the modalities are, like cardinal, fixed, and then there's mutable, where you know, people are changeable. They change, they're not one who gets stuff started, they're not one who's going to be fixed, meaning they make a great supervisor. No, that's not them. They're the ones who can be behind the scene and uh have no problem making uh changes or they mutate that they're just you know easy to work with or whatever, because they'll they'll be up front or in the back. Doesn't matter, just to get the work done. And those are all the mutable signs, you know. But for you, you have fixed in terms of these three that I know your Trinity, you have fixed and you have cardinals. So you're gonna get stuff started, but you're also a great supervisor because the fixed energy is the supervising energy. The reason they don't want to change is because, okay, how's it supposed to be? Oh, is it supposed to be like that? Then find okay, that's uh that's the process. I will make sure that everything is done like that. So you find people who have that fixed energy to they fit well into what you call supervising jobs to make or positions to get stuff done. So now, you know, uh now so now you go into well, what is the energy of the signs? Because we're these are their houses. We just talked about the modalities and the uh elements, fire, air, earth, water, common sense, fire and air. Fire and water don't go together too well. I mean, that's it. That's just elementary. You see, so but earth and water, they go the very together very well because earth will receive water, energy, or water figure literally without trying to change it. Right. So so fire consumes the air, and earth consumes water. That's why on that astrology wheel, because it is a teaching tool. And for all you out there who have one in front of you or seeing one or studying, you will never ever ever ever ever find a fire sign next to an air sign for a reason. For the reason I just gave, because there would be no moderation, that's why you're not gonna find it there at all. What you will find is every other sign, it will be a complementary element, in other words, uh um Libra is air on your first house. So the next is Earth, right, which is Taurus, and then the next is Gemini, which is air, right? I'm sorry, I'm looking Libra, Scorpio, and then for you, Sagittarius on your chart. So you would have Libra as the uh on the first house, and that is air, and then next to that you're gonna have Scorpio, which is water, and then after Scorpio, you're gonna have Sagittarius. Now, those two signs over or 60 degrees over, right? Because each pie is 30 degrees. So we're talking mathematics now, too. You're gonna learn how to do mathematics if you study the style science of astrology or cosmology. I'm telling you, this is part of the other reason why, you know, I don't want you to learn it. Because you know, people talk about that mathematics and geometry and stuff, it's right there, right there for you, all of it. So when you find that labor in your first house and you find that Sagittarius on your third house, let's talk about that for a minute. Because Sagittarius is the higher learning in spirituality, and you have that in your third house, meaning that you are destined to communicate. That's why you'd be behind this podcast right now. Because Sagittarius, I mean, third house is the house of communications, and and in on a basic way, that third house means your fat your uh kin and your community, your brothers and sisters, your community, and your basic communication ability that you learn as a child, you know, in your community. It's just basic. Maybe you maybe you never learned how to communicate even as a child, but that's what it represents. And so you have there, which by the way, of course, is it's a polar reflection because your chart is switched around. Exactly. See, a perfect chart, not a perfect chart, the chart, the way it's laid out to teach the lesson of one self, two, possessions, three, communications, or or lack marrow home, four, home. Where is your spirit self manifested in the flesh? Going to be seated in that fourth house of home. Yours just happened to be Capricorn with a lot of discipline and order. And then then five, uh, your creativity, not just whether you have children, but whether we're talking about the creations of the mind, the children of the mind, because that's the house of creation. And then it's your service to man and mankind as six. And then seven is okay, now that you got this sixth foundation, bottom, you know, the bottom six times foundation, let's step into the social arena world, starting with labor and who you're going to unite with. Again, not whether it's a sexual relationship, it could be a business relationship or whatever it is, whatever. First that you hang out with, because the only thing that truly opposes you in your life are the people that you hang with. They're the thing that can oppose you the absolute most. So choose wisely, as they say, right? But now you're in the social world, you know, like that. So, so this is important in that respect. That uh you've got Sagittarius on the third house. You are definitely going to be always seeking for higher knowledge.

SPEAKER_01: 24:03

That's all interesting. This is all really interesting, right here, man.

SPEAKER_02: 24:07

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 24:08

All really interesting. I'm this is what I do. Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, knowledge.

SPEAKER_04: 24:16

Because it's in your third house, Sagittarius. In other words, the third house belongs is the house of communications, and it means your basic communicating abilities that, of course, starts at home, and you know how you were raised and all of that. But it's polarity, it's it's polarity, it's 180, is Sagittarius, which represents your highest attainment of spirituality and knowledge. You kicked off with the highest in your third house. You can't you came up with the you came in here with the arrow pointing for higher things. Because that's the Sagittarius, right? The Sagittarian, half man, half beast. And that's because, you know, that's who we are. I mean, that's what we are here to attain, is to get rid of the lower self, right, and attain to our higher self. And then it's in the ninth house because that nine means ending. And then then it'll go to Capricorn, which is the mid-heaven in its proper place, which means did you pass the test? Because it's very discipline and order. Discipline and order is necessary. People don't look at like disciple discipline, you know, they just think, oh, that's a religious Bible thing. No, I mean, look at the words, which we're gonna get into in a minute when we talk about cosmology astrology. But, you know, so so now, did you make it? You know, how are you coming up to Kronos to follow time? Are you gonna get past the reins of Saturn with your bull? Nope, not with your bull, you're not. You're gonna have to get it right, or those rings kick you back, you know, and you learn learn your lessons. That's just the way, that's what the teaching tool is really about. So, again, you know, we have elements, we have the modalities, meaning how those elements move, they're either fixed, then either they're initiating, starting stuff, they're fixed, or they're mutating out. That's it. That's it. That's it, that's it. That's how that works. That's elementary. You can't escape the elementary of it, the foundation. So now it's like, all right, well, we got some characters or some energy, and they're represented by each sign. The Aries, the Taurus, the Gemini, you know, like that. And these are just depictions to for a child to learn again an idea of what those energies are, what the possibilities of the characteristics of man is on this plane. Because we spirit man manifested in the flesh.

SPEAKER_02: 26:57

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04: 26:58

So yeah, it's it's uh it's a science, but let it science, but um uh the other thing with you, let me see. Uh Sagittarius, and then you would have Scorpio. Did I say Sagittarius there? Yeah, Libra, Scorpio, Sag. I mean, you just could reverse everything on your chart. So Pisces, okay. Let me let me add this. Let me add this before we go, because it's about you. All right, so your service to man and mankind, because that's what Virgo represents. It also represents your health. Um, because if you don't have good health, you didn't serving nobody, including yourself, right? We'll be, and I got this feeling you walking into it in your older age now, whatever that is. I just got this feeling, correct me if I'm wrong. We'll be dealing with spirituality or what people want to call religion. You question that all the time. You know, you I mean, we all do, but I just had this feeling that you recently are making some transformation yourself. And I'm gonna tell you why I got that feeling because I saw a little clip of you, and you were in a car, and it sounded like to me, do you know what I'm talking about? And you're saying, well, whatever it is, it just is. It sounded like to me you were taking a transformation, personal transformation.

SPEAKER_01: 28:27

For right now, I'm definitely person taking a personal transformation.

SPEAKER_04: 28:32

Yeah, I really saw it. Yeah, all right, okay, all right. You're being forced to do that because Pisces is in your sixth house. Now, Pisces is the ultimate spiritual house. But Pisces is the beginning and the end, and so so that's why you're feeling what you're feeling. Because I I felt that when I read it. I was like, wow, he just asked me to come back on the show, and then something came across. You didn't send it to me. And I felt like he's going through a transformation himself. So now, if that if I'm right and you're saying I am, this is what I'm just reading right now while we're sitting here on this paper. Pisces is in your sixth house. Your sixth house is just service to man and mankind. Meaning, what see, that's an earth sign. That's an earth sign, it's the second earth sign because the first earth sign is Taurus and it's about your possessions. But Virgo says, all right, well, how are we gonna get those possessions? So that's the hat, that's why they'll say that's the house of your job. That's why they say it. That's the house of your job. No, it's really a house of your service to man and mankind. So that equates to people that that's the job I'm gonna do. So for you, it is this transformation, it's because you're feeling a strong pull regarding spirituality and why are we here and the whole mystery life, whatever it is that you're going through personally, is because. You got to bring that spirituality into your work.

SPEAKER_01: 30:05

I always knew that though. See? Yeah. I always knew that. That's why I'm doing that's one of the reasons why I'm doing this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 30:14

Okay. Well, I appreciate and I really appreciate you um inviting me to be a part of uh, you know, divine law governs all events. Because what I just told you is what I said I saw in that clip that you had sent. But so now it's right. So I so I saw that. But now I'm looking at your chart and I really see it. So this is what's happening for you. This is why that's happening for you.

unknown: 30:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 30:39

Uh-huh. And then all right, all right, we got it almost there. That's the end, right? All right, so Aries. Yeah, you need a you need a uh uh a mate that is uh strong, that is sure about what they want to do, and is self-starter themselves. That's what you need. Okay, that's that's how I gonna have to go down. So don't uh don't try to suppress any of that. That's good, and um you will create possessions and leave something as a legacy. You will, and then um your wow, you got that Gemini in the ninth house. All right, so I don't know anything about your education, I don't know nothing about that at all personally. Um, I get the sense that you may have had some higher learning college or okay, but guess what? You got a duality, so this transformation that you're doing right now is because in your house of education or higher knowledge, there's a duality. So you're gonna end up having two different types of you. You probably gone through that now. I don't know. It's like, wait a minute, I thought I was it's like most of you, I thought I was supposed to go down this road, get that, get that degree, and this and that, and that, and I'm gonna be good, right? You have a duality, clearly, and you probably are seeing it now.

SPEAKER_01: 32:16

Um, I've been seeing that all my life. I've been seeing that all my life.

SPEAKER_03: 32:21

Wow, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 32:22

I I like you know, I you know, I wanted to uh uh do like you know, of course, school did that, and um, but now I'm like, I'm like, should I go back to school or should I just focus on self-study or the teachings that I that that I'm most passionate about, which is uh 5% Morris Science and uh NOI and all of these teachings, all the people that I have on this platform is just a reflection of what goes on in my mind, like things that I want to know more about.

SPEAKER_04: 32:59

That's great that you're able to, you know, and you know, actually express art um through communication. That's that's that's heavy, that's a good one, especially now, because the what people thought was the way to go and the you know, the pie and the sky, none of that. All of that is falling. Let's face it, all of that is falling down in front of most people today. And the reason is that you have to follow, right? As you say, you have done the dictates of your soul and the construct may have had it so that that's not what you you've got to do. This and you've got to do it that way. So your yellow brick road is your yellow brick road. My yellow brick road is my yellow brick road. What people seem to want a lot, if I can put it this way, is that they want you have to go down your own yellow brick road. There's lions and tigers and bears over, you know, to find the truth for you, right? Because we believe a lot, but you can you have to go from belief to knowing. You just gotta graduate to from belief to knowing. So, what people want to do is they want you to pick them up and carry them down their yellow brick road. It can't be done, right? It can't be done, and then people talk about, you know, what do I do? Well, there's a I think uh in the biblios healer take the Bible or whatever, which by the way, they took 66 books of what was already written. So I'm not putting, I'm just saying, because a lot of people follow that. Uh, it says the table is prepared for you, right? So, what you so how do you know? You hear you talk to people and they say, Well, I don't like this and I don't like that. Well, I tried that, but I don't like that. Well, that's because you're not at the table that's prepared for you, because the table that is prepared for you, you're going to like everything on it, even even the experiences or the trials and the tribulations, but you're going to endure and you're going to like what's on that table for you. So back to astrology and cosmology. They turned you away from it to keep you from knowing thyself, and have the nerve to say, in all the disciplines, man, know thyself. So you, you know, I am that I am. And that's one of the ways to find out because, like, even like what you what we're sharing here, which is actually limited on your chart, but still accurate because this, because it's accurate, it's a science. It's a science, it's accurate.

SPEAKER_01: 35:39

Now, now I want to go into um um astra. Now I uh we only have an hour, right? So yeah, but but I don't know if you would if you want to do two hours next time if you come back up or whatever, like that. You know, because I had another brother. Uh, he was like, give me two hours, give me two hours. So I don't know. I don't know how you would want to do that.

SPEAKER_04: 36:01

Well, he wanted two hours for astrology.

SPEAKER_01: 36:03

No, he wanted two hours to teach something else, and then I got another brother, he wants to do two hours to teach something else. So I don't know if the hour slot.

SPEAKER_04: 36:11

Let me put it to you like this every Wednesday at 7:30, that's where my two-hour time is for teaching and sharing information.

SPEAKER_01: 36:20

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04: 36:21

It really is. I every week I put together some presentment, visual, whatever like that, and time into it. So that's what I do, and everybody can come to that class um if they wish to. It's the civics, and then let me get this out the way now, and then we have um every first Sunday of the month, uh Sister J Be does a study out of the Circle Seven Quran, right? One o'clock. And then every third month, third Sunday, I do a sister standing on law presentment. That's once a month. And then Sister Karima Bay does what's called enlightened Asiatic every third Monday, but every Wednesday we're there. We're I I do class, so I'm good with the hour, hour and a half, whatever it is. I I, you know, maybe maybe some of the people will have questions or whatever like that. Because I wasn't exactly what I'm sharing now, is like I wasn't exactly prepared. I wish I had a known I had done your chart. I definitely would have been prepared to do it. So I do would like to come. I really want to know what your South and North Note is, and see what you say about that and how accurate that is. So, you being a non-believer, let me just or skeptical, you said. Yeah, if you know anything, look. So I don't know what your next question is, but um uh I'm prepared to try to break down the oh let me just say this. So, as far as knowing your um astrology, your chart, your your navigating chart upon this piece, right? Um, it helps you to navigate. But what you also get out of it for humanity, it really helps you to understand other people and why they may do what they do so that you're not offended so much. Personally, it gets you to say to yourself, and this is the I think the most important for anyone, because we all seek validation and so on like that, and we all have these thoughts in our head that this construct has not made it so that you would create, that you would go ahead and you know, see that through, because you got to do it like this in the box, you know, uh for control. So the thing is that it would teach you and show you there's nothing wrong with me. You that's what you would say to yourself. I know now why I do that. So now, like anything, if there is a problem or situation, you have to know the components of it to fix it or to change it or whatever. So, even with self, you have to know self yourself, right? And you can say, hey, I get why I do that. Now, maybe it's something that this chart has that you do that you ought not be doing. Why? Because it's what you're here for to learn how not to do because you did it before, and there is no really before because it's a continuum. But just for the sake of wording, you've done it before, you're back here to learn that lesson.

SPEAKER_01: 39:35

I like how you put that. I like how you put that. It's a lot to unpack there before before we continue. I just want to make an uh acknowledge, Nicholas Bay. Thank you for the five dollars, Islam Brother Ron, and gratitude, Ros Mariah. Bay, love and appreciate everything you have done and continue to do. Peace to you, both. Peace to you.

SPEAKER_04: 39:57

All right, thank you. I say to say kudos, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01: 40:01

All right. Now, um uh we got about 20 minutes. So if I can break down astrology versus cosmology. Now, before we go into that, right? I have a question. Astrology from what from what I've learned over the years, I had a teacher in college who was just so opposed to astrology and crystals and everything. She used to go in on those things. Uh she's like what we call like a Western thinker. You know, uh, you know, I come from like a uh a massage therapy, physical therapy background. So, you know, it's all about muscle tissue results and blood and you know, science, science. So uh she used to go crazy on it. Um, and so this would be a question from her, right? And myself. Astrology is is not supported, uh uh um is not supported by controlled scientific studies. Why why should it be considered credible?

SPEAKER_03: 41:10

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, let me get you a little star me.

SPEAKER_04: 41:15

Cosmogeny and the effects of cosmogeny, which is an ancient word. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's ancient to make a comparison here, and the effects of anything is the ologies, right? So cosmology, then you have astronomy that they use today, and they say that's scientific, right? Don't they say astronomy is science? All right, they say, right, that astronomy is scientific, but not the effects. There's no effects on the people at all. Now, these planets are moving around and they got all this energy and stuff. So let us get to thinking the moon is a planetary body, and when it is at its fullness, whether it's a new moon ready to be filled because it's moved away from the sun, the light, or whether it's a full moon filled with light, and it's eight phases, and when it shows as full, does it pull the tides of the oceans on the earth?

SPEAKER_01: 42:19

Sure it is.

SPEAKER_04: 42:20

Oh, all right. How much how much water we what 75, 80? I keep hearing it change percent.

SPEAKER_02: 42:27

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:28

We're made up of water, yeah, and so we are what either vain as heck or ignorant as heck to even think for a second that it doesn't affect you. That's like ludicrous, right? Now, the other unseen energies, you know, because it's the unseen that creates the scene, however, you want to go into that, they all have planetary energy. So cosmogeny would be more of the entire universe because there's there's other probably universes and things that we don't see, uh, right? And planetary bodies that are coming into play because they take a while to get to do their cycle. There's probably planetary bodies we haven't seen. For an example, when the modern studies of astrology, even a little bit less uh behind modern, because I'll tell you a story about the modern, they thought that Venus, which is the mother planet, the feminine is energy, and the polarity is Mars, which is the masculine in this energy. They thought that Venus was two different planets. You know why? Because they didn't know enough to know that she rises in the morning. She's the morning star and that and her and and at night, but only at night because she's the last to go to bed. Let me just put it that way. She's the last. She rises in the morning, puts the house together, all that, whatever the children, whatever she gotta do, go to work, whatever. And then she's the last to go to as far as her shiny. They thought, her shining in the sky, that they were two different planets from their ignorance. Give you another one. Early 1900s, I think it's 1932, when they discovered in their modern, modern astronomy studies, that the planet Pluto even existed, didn't even know it existed. See, this is why we have to get to thinking. So, how I see about cosmogeny and that word and cosmology, think this. We're talking about as above, so beloved. We're talking about the fact that everybody says they praying to the God above or whatever, like that, without knowing that it the God above is you, standing with your feet flat on this earth, and the above is your mind, a companion to your spirit, right? So, but nonetheless, they looking up all the time, looking up all the time, and so they're praying to the air, the soundless sound, which is thought. So, what happens if you and I are able to transmit a thought and receive a thought at the same time? We can do that, right? We do do that, right? Whether we recognize it or not. Because you know, you're always thinking in your head, you're not you may not be talking to yourself, but you're talking to yourself. Yes, you are. Who else would you be talking to but yourself in your head? So you're able to transmit a thought and receive a thought. Yeah, I prayed to God and He gave me the answer, whatever it is you're thinking or to yourself. That means you have to have a transmitter. You have to have a you are the transmitter, but you have to have an antenna. You're the transmitter because you can transmit and receive at the same time. Nobody argues about that, but no one thinks about, well, what's my antenna? Because you know you gotta have one. Your antenna is made of silicone, grows out of your hair in a spiral fashion. It's your hair is your antenna. So this is why they call the science of you going to cosmology school to fix people's hair, it's called cosmetology. That's where that comes from. It's not a play on words. So if we take you away from those truths and get you to only talk about astronomy, which is more like the stars, and you know, like they like trying to pinpoint it to the limitations that they have in studying, because they just found Pluto, right? So, and they thought Venus was two planets. So if we can take you away from the word cosmology, which is what it is, then you will not think and you won't give any thought to what I just said about why the science of treating of the hair is called cosmos, to me, is called cosmetology. Oh, you say, oh no, Raj, that's just a play on words. It is not now. Let me tell you why the science of barbering, which is usually for men's hair, is called tonsorialist. Tonsorialist means tune, so like in tune, tone, tone, tonsirealist. Because the same thing applies. And the tone means your diatonic tones that you the vibrations that you send out. But they call it a tone surrealist because it's the same as hair, both of them being dealing with hair, because it's about your tone or your tuning in. So they say, Well, we're gonna get rid of that word too. So now here we all talk about, well, what's the difference? You know, and it's all good. Essentially, I would say there is no difference, it's just a matter of using words. But narrowing it a little, I'd say cosmogony. They don't say cosmogony, they just talk about the effects of cosmogeny, cosmogony, because astronomy is where the planets are, the heavenly bodies are located. Where are they right now? Because they move a lot, right? That's astronomy, and they call that science, but the effects of them is called astrology, so cosmogeny is also more universal where all the planets are, where everything is, all the bodies, and the effects is called cosmology. So, in that respect, they are the same. But when you come down to this construct again, I will say this. I said it already, that when they bag tag, name and claim everything, right? You can go to school to learn astrology, but when you get that certificate, you can't talk about certain things. And then if you do, you'll get fined. So I was thinking, I'm gonna go to their school just to see what they say, but I'm never gonna get the certificate. I'm not gonna sign up for the certificate and just to see. And I also know some people who have gone to all the schools that they have, and they're like, wow, science of the universe is science of the universe, they're not teaching it that way. So, and let me just say this, and then we can go. I guess I mean, so I I I looked up once I took once you told me, like I really this morning, I uh I read something real quick. Um, and this is from a person who is studying for astrophysics to be an astrophysicist. I think they've been studying for five years, and uh name is An Schuman Acharya, Acharia, a former visiting master's student at Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. So, the difference between astrology, astronomy, cosmology. Now, just the first couple lines here. Well, he says, first things first, do not compare astrology, and then parentheses, as it stands presently. See, that's the kind of reading that that it turns the it turns the hands up on us because like as it stands presently, that means what people think they understand that it is right now, but he says it with actual sciences like astronomy and cosmology. That doesn't even make sense. So, how's astronomy science and cosmology is science too? And on another one, they're calling cosmogeny or cosmology science, but it's the mother of the astrology, you know. They like to leave mother out all the time. You put mother back in there, you'll be good, and you'll have a better understanding of these things. And now the churches, of course, they don't want you to do it, but yet in their book, they say this is the book of what is, what was, and what's to come. A book of Ezekiel is in there that's nothing but the astrology will. So there's a lot of um contradictions and hypocrisies there, you know. Uh, and the circle seven, first chapter, says let the solar stations be your guide, and they will lead you to victory. Like a duh, doesn't that uh the solar station? That's the sun, right? But then you might go to some people who are actually call themselves staunch Moors in the temple. Oh, we don't teach no astrology here. It's like it's crazy. It it it it's ludicrous.

SPEAKER_01: 52:10

So now before we cut out this brother, uh creator of the bound boundless universe, Islam. Thank first of all, thank you for the seven dollars. I really appreciate it. All any donation, I don't care if it's two cents, we will appreciate it. Okay. Uh Islam, uh, are there any supporting materials that help understand the dynamics of reading charts?

SPEAKER_04: 52:38

Yes. You want to know what it is? The wheel, the circle itself. This is the circle of life. The circle. Cut it into put a cross in it, that's the master seal, the glyph of the earth. Then put the others in it. Knowing, here is the supportive that he was asking that again out. Know the elements first, know the modalities, how they move, then know the astrology signs because they also have um their characteristics. So you're you're a scorpion. Scorpion rules a fixed house, thereby scorpions are fixed. You're a scorpion, scorpion's element is water, but there's three types of water. It's the initiating moving water, it's the supervising still water, and then there's a mutating water. So the other two signs take that. You know, each sign's three. Out of 12, there's three, there's three modalities. Out of 12, there's four different elements. So the three and the four is what? Seven. It's the circle seven. You take three times four, it's twelve. I mean, there's uh there's signs everywhere about how this is right and exact, and then and and lastly, I I gotta say this. If I were to if you say, if I were to say to you, this is one-on-one. When I say one-on-one, I don't mean necessarily just one-on-one, uh, the uh one-on-ones, but it it is questioned in there. But if I were to say to you, how many days of a week there are? I think you're gonna like this one, Ron. How many days are there in a week, Ron?

SPEAKER_01: 54:32

Seven.

SPEAKER_04: 54:33

Seven. All right, how many days in a month?

SPEAKER_01: 54:37

Uh 30.

SPEAKER_04: 54:39

Give or take, sometimes it's 30, 31, except for February's 28th, correct? All right, how many days in the year?

SPEAKER_01: 54:46

52 days, not weeks. Oh, 365 days.

SPEAKER_04: 54:51

Okay, fine. Now, for the seven days that you just said that are in the week, you can name them, right? Yes, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, right? All right, so can you name the days that are in the month?

SPEAKER_01: 55:06

The days that are in the month, yes, uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 55:13

You can't how about 365 days in a year? Okay, yeah, I hear me out. So that's because that there's only seven days now. Let me give proof on that, and then I'll close that. So you have a span for so-called Spanish or Spanish friend that speaks so-called Latin or what they call Spanish. Ask them to name you in Spanish, so-called Spanish. What how they say Sunday, how they say Monday, how they say Tuesday, Wednesday, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 55:48

Yeah, or all of the the planets. So oh my, right.

SPEAKER_04: 55:52

Oh my.

SPEAKER_01: 55:53

So Monday is moon, uh, Tuesday is uh uh uh uh Mars, Wednesday is Mercury, Thursday is Jupiter, Friday is Venus, Saturday is Saturn, Sunday is the Sun.

SPEAKER_04: 56:08

So Monday is the moon. In Spanish, they call Monday Luna. You're right. Tuesday is Mars. In Spanish, they call Tuesday Martez, Wednesday is Mercury, in Spanish, they call Wednesday Miracle is Thursday is uh Jupiter, but it's a silent J. They'll call it UEvo, or they also call it Thor and Hermes, some you know, they're all the same. But and then Friday is the Ernes, which is Venus, and then Saturday is Sabado, right, which is Saturn, and then Sunday, they'll say, oh, we say Sunday, Domingo, because it's the dominion of the sun, as you and sun. You see, you see, so note that right there should ought be some affirmation to our people that this is real, that astrologics, cosmogen, cosmology, astronomy, astrology is real as the science that it is, and not what they say it is. So if we don't get this information out and recognize and acknowledge it, we'll get further and further away from reference points on it. This is what the this is the problem. So, so we can't name seven days in the month. We can name seven days of the week. We can't name seven days of the month, we can't name the 365 days of the year. This is why it's just seven, and it keeps repeating itself, and it's quarters, seven, seven, seven, seven. So it's really only 28-day cycles, same as a woman's menstrual cycle, by the way. But they added these extra days, and we're like, Oh, okay, well, and then we can't do the math correctly, right? So you might be able to name 365 angles of light, not angels, because angles are in angels are angles, 365 angles of light, but you're not gonna name the days otherwise, other than you know, they got some names for that, Gabrielle, all of that, right? With that study, but we will use the seven days of the week and not realize that it just keeps rotating round and round and round. So all so this is why it says, How many days? Seven. How many days, how many days in a week? Seven, how many days in a month? Seven, how many days in a year? Seven, and people don't get it. I trust you get that now.

SPEAKER_01: 58:43

Yes, yes, yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 58:45

It's real, it's real talk. Circle seven for real. That's all it is. It's seven cycle of seven going over and over again.

SPEAKER_01: 58:52

Indeed. On that note, thank you for coming out this evening. Glad to have you back. Would love to have you back again. We will definitely continue to build. Uh, if you give them your social medias and everything they can, every place they can find you.

SPEAKER_04: 59:08

Here's yeah, that's another thing. All right, rvbay go to class, yeah, at gmail.com. But I just opened up the rvbayonline.com. It's not I just transferred over now. RV Bay Publications, I'm just cleaning up, it will remain an archive. We'll doing that now. But the actual website for the expanded site of RB Bay Publications, it's an expanded site, it's called RV Bay Online. And give me just a couple of days. We just changed it over. You won't have you can do any exchanges financially, especially on that site because the old one is too old, and he says it's not secure, but believe me, it is secure because everything goes in with PayPal on that. But anyway, RV Bay go to class. At gmail.com. Just use that for now because it's going to be go to class at rvbayonline.com. But rvbay go to class at gmail.com is what you should use. And you might want to join some of our civic classes. And I will say this I am thinking about starting or doing again another astrology class. I really am because a lot of people are asking and asking. And so we've been thinking about that. I'll let you know when I look forward to coming back on this class. We got to talk. I don't know if it's the fourth or the first Monday. Which one is it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:35

Yeah, we got to figure that out. I'm thinking of first. I'm thinking of first Monday.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:40

Just as long as it's not the third Monday, I have the enlightened Asiatic with Sister Karina Bay from our uh itinerary. That's on the third. Any other Monday, I'm good with.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:50

All right. So the first Monday, you heard it here. See you in uh January.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:56

Hey, so happy winter solstics for every everyone.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:01

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:02

Thank you, Ron. I really appreciate it. I'm gonna get your chart. I'm pulling, you know, I'm pulling your chart out. I'm gonna give you uh a connect.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:08

I am thank you, thank you, thank you for coming out this evening. Thanks to all the viewers. We are out of here. We got a podcast with a lean bait in a few minutes. All right, and we are out. Peace.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:22

All right.