Are African Americans really native Americans?

What if the story you learned about your first American ancestor isn’t the whole story? We go straight at the hardest questions: how did ships sustain hundreds of people for months at sea, why do the numbers for North America hover around 300,000, and where do DNA haplogroups and Paleoamerican finds like Lucia fit into the picture? We explore the claim that many Black families may hold deep Indigenous roots in the Americas alongside West African ancestry, challenging assumptions without asking you to drop your skepticism at the door.

Together we unpack shipping manifests, port records, and the lived reality of coastal transport that rarely makes it into tidy archives. We examine haplogroup E1B1A, shovel‑tooth traits, and contested links to earlier migrations, plus accounts of Mansa Abu Bakari’s Atlantic crossings predating Columbus by centuries. We also dive into cultural erasure and reclassification—how darker‑skinned Native families could be pushed off rolls and folded into plantations—and revisit the Yamasee, Seminole, and Gullah Geechee wars as proof of sustained resistance that shaped federal policy and the Civil War era.

You’ll hear Moorish and Meru references from Masonic literature, forensic reconstructions that sparked debate over the first Americans, and a case for widening the evidence base beyond a single narrative. Agree or disagree with parts of it, you’ll leave with sources to read, questions to test, and a sharper sense of how identity, power, and history entangle. If this conversation moved you—or made you argue with your headphones—follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the biggest question you want us to tackle next.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Episode Setup
• 0:36 Platform Mission And Community Support
• 1:25 Framing The Native Vs African Origins Debate
• 2:20 The Water Question And Slave Ship Logistics
• 5:20 Museums, Masons, And Meru Claims
• 9:45 DNA Markers And Clovis Connections
• 13:10 Mansa Abu Bakari And West African Arrivals
• 16:25 Haplogroups, Personal Tests, And Identity
• 20:40 Plantations, Reclassification, And Tribal Rolls
• 24:05 Shipping Records And The 300,000 Figure
• 26:20 Slave Forts, Scale, And Feasibility
• 29:00 Sources, Books, And Moorish Narratives
• 33:30 Sovereignty, Tribes, And Siberian Lineage Claims
• 37:20 Lucia Skull, Forensics, And Paleoamerican Evidence
• 42:00 Teeth Traits, Genetics, And Mixed Ancestry
• 45:30 Wars Of Resistance: Yamasee, Seminole, Gullah Geechee
• 49:20 Political Stakes, Rewriting History, And Identity
• 53:30 Closing, Next Steps, And Where To Find The Guest

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:11

All right, what's going on, everybody? Out there is Ron Brown, LMT, the People's Fitness Professional. And tonight we have Dr. Alim, Dr. L. Alim Bey in the building. Um, you know, today we're gonna discuss are African Americans really Native Americans tonight? We're gonna talk about that. Before we do, let's run this commercial. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00: 0:36

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SPEAKER_02: 1:25

Alright, we're back, we're back. Thank you for coming out this evening, Dr. Aline Bay. Um, and uh before we get started, you know, uh, how are you doing, first off?

SPEAKER_04: 1:35

I'm doing good, doing good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38

That's peace, that's peace. So now um I want to so you know, online right now, there's a lot going on. You got the conversation between uh uh Professor James Smalls, and you have uh his issue with the uh FBA group and things like that, and that's like they're going back and forth, so to speak, and uh, you know, it's it's kind of a hot topic right now, and uh there's a lot of um uh uh I would say people who do not subscribe to the fact that African Americans are Native Americans, and uh, you know, I just want to build with you on that and and what's your see on that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:20

Um I'm gonna say I like the way in which that Dr. Clyde Winters explained it to me. Um we have the genetics of European wars, we have the genetics of American Indians called Moors. We also have the genetics of Africans. Um the thing is, when you take a DNA test, it is trying to make a determination if you are Paleo American or if you are African, born here 400 years ago on slave ships, and the problem is with that is that no one has yet given us the answer to something that I asked 20 years ago, and before me, um brother Hakeem HYBay asked the same question what was the distillation process for the Europeans on the ships in which that took four months for them to travel from where they was located at in Europe to North America? Okay, what was the distillation process turning salt water into fresh water? Okay, okay, and no one has been able to give us an answer for that, and that's the problem in which that we've been having is that until we can get answers, you know, to something that simple, because obviously no one wants to answer that, because then it would shake the foundation of the whole slave ship theory of the transatlantic slave. All right, so you said what's the distillation between what was the distillation that being able to turn, in other words, nobody believed that Jesus turned water into wine, that it was a metaphor. At least this is what you know metaphysicians say, and so forth and so on. But these same metaphysicians can't tell us how did they turn salt water into fresh water? What machine did they use to distill salt water into fresh water?

SPEAKER_02: 5:04

You mean in order for them to survive on the boats that long?

SPEAKER_04: 5:08

Four months. I mean, you need water. Um you can only go without water for about a week and a half.

SPEAKER_01: 5:20

Okay, I like that. That's a good point right there.

SPEAKER_04: 5:24

Four months somebody gotta tell me something. So that is the issue on which that is going on, and then you go to the major lobby, the major um museums throughout the world, and they do not have any symbols of slavery. They have the omega civilization, and which that we know that was here 5,000 years ago, and we know that they was allegedly Negroid, what people don't want to talk about is the fact that they were Atlanteans, it was called the Meru people as well. Now, when you go to Webster Dictionary, this is universal Webster unabridge, it states when you look up the word more, M-O-O-R, you in parentheses you will see M E R. Mir. Now, when you go to also Webster Dictionary, and that's the Cosaurus, excuse me. And then when you go to Webster Universal on the bridge dictionary of 1937, it says that the original application of the name for America is Mir or Miru. M-E-R-U.

SPEAKER_02: 6:55

Okay. Now, before you continue, right? We have uh uh the brother Wise Dome TV. Uh he's saying that's not an issue. That's a major, major, that's a major pseudo-judo. He's disrespectful to our ancestors and our uh mother.

SPEAKER_04: 7:14

No, I'm not disrespectful. I'm asking a question, and obviously you can't answer it. So I would recommend that you go and do some research and study on that or what I'm talking about, and then come back and give an intelligent answer. Because right now, only thing that is showing is your pseudo-ism, your pseudoism, because you can't answer the question. I can.

SPEAKER_02: 7:36

Okay, so so maybe he's talking about uh the water part is not an issue.

SPEAKER_04: 7:42

Oh, that's a no, that's an issue.

SPEAKER_02: 7:45

That to me, that's an issue because four months without water, and you got 200 people on the ship that that's that's that is that is packed in like sordines.

SPEAKER_04: 7:56

We're talking about vomiting, spitting, shitting, pissing on themselves four months. Somebody got to give me the answer to the distillation process until I hear a Moore or American Indian or a so-called um European answer that question, we don't have nothing to discuss as far as the so-called um slave trade. Because I have yet to hear that from any scholarship coming from the African community and from those who call themselves African Americans or Pan-Africanists, and I know that for a fact because I was there, deeper questions in which that they never asked themselves and thus never had the answer for, and because of that, all you can do is give regurgitated nonsense pseudoism. That's all that's that's all you got is pseudo. That's that's the only word that you know how to use, huh?

SPEAKER_02: 9:11

So the brothers asking, can you show me your books on this transatlantic slave trade? Basically, do you know? I don't know, I want to put words in your mouth, but uh, do you I was a student of Dr.

SPEAKER_04: 9:25

Ben Yakinen, case close. You were a student of I was I was I was a student also of Dr. Wayne or Professor Wayne Chandler, case close.

SPEAKER_02: 9:43

Okay, okay. So um now let's I want to go to um now you were on you were building, you were flowing, right? Now I don't know where you left off.

SPEAKER_04: 9:56

Right. Well, I was talking about Miro, for example, if you um if you get the book in which that is called by Charles Vell, um, I think is mystic, ancient mystic masonry. There's a portion in there in which that tells us that North America was known as Atlantis. Says America in parentheses Atlantis. Now when you go and do some research, you find um that Lorna Mand insisted that the human race issue from UPen Meron. And Theopas tells us that the people who inhabited Atlantis were the people of Meru. And Meru is the origin of the name America. Okay, so this is what we are putting together is the information which is coming from out of Masonic lodges. They are telling us this information. They also tell us that the Meru of India and of the Indian literature is none other than the Moreau, who are the people from out of Sudan.

SPEAKER_02: 11:32

Okay, I have a question for you. So what a measurable, I don't know if you uh if you would know this, uh, not sure. I guess you would answer this question the best way you can. Uh, what measurable measurable percentage of African Americans show Native American ancestry in DNA studies? And how do you explain the overwhelmingly West African genetic markers? That is my thing.

SPEAKER_04: 12:01

Yeah, the West African genetic markers come from the fact that we mixed in with um more than 20,000 Africans who came from out of Mali, who was under the rulership of Abu Bukhari II, which was 200 years before Christopher Columbus even came here and sell the ocean blue.

SPEAKER_02: 12:24

Okay, that's something I gotta remind.

SPEAKER_04: 12:26

I gotta remind Abu Bukhari came here with 2,000 ships before Christopher Columbus, three ships.

SPEAKER_02: 12:37

Abu Bukhari, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 12:44

2,000 ships, and you take 2,000 ships times just 10 people, that's 20,000. Now you times it 100, that's 200,000 people. So we're talking about an estimate between 20,000 to 200,000 Africans who came from out of the interior of Africa from Mali, who was part of the Mandinka and the Dogon people who came here to the shores prior to Christopher Columbus. 200 years, almost 200 years before that. They came in 1311 through 1313 A.D. Christopher Columbus didn't sell the ocean blue until 1492. At least that's what we're told.

SPEAKER_02: 13:46

Okay, so so you would say that's where the West African genetic markers would come from, right?

SPEAKER_04: 13:53

It didn't come from the European in 1619 bringing all of us over here on slave ships. No, it did not. That's my point.

SPEAKER_01: 14:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 14:08

Because he didn't have the technology then, he doesn't have the technology now to do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 14:16

Okay. So now um, if the majority of African Americans were already holding, let me answer the question.

SPEAKER_04: 14:23

About 98% of us um have um Native American um genetic markers as well. 60% of us have E1B1A genetic marker of Y haplogroup. That genetic marker goes back to D haplogroup. E haplogroup is derived from D haplogroup, and D haplogroup is part of the Native American haplogroup that existed here in the Western Hemisphere. Okay, and so 60% of the Y DNA, specifically amongst the so-called African Americans, is measured by those genetic markers, and not only are they um Native American genetic marking, it is um which goes back to what is called the COVID people. C-L-O-V-I-S, COVID people. Look up the um look up that information. This is not to be making mockery of, because if you can't prove me wrong, please move on with with with the crazy comments because this is science here. All right, I have a bachelor's in sociology and history, I have an MLS in indigenous law, I have a PhD, so someone got to come with information in which that I've never heard before, and so this information that we're talking about is correlating historically to information that most of us was never taught, and most of us never went through any Masonic training. I've gone through Masonic training, as well as also these are historical clues in which that was left in Masonic books, and which that is not a secret.

SPEAKER_02: 16:38

Now we got I got a question in the chat. Um, did you take a DNA test?

SPEAKER_04: 16:44

Yes. In my genetic markers, all 22 chromosomes go back to the COVID people, which is markers in which that dates back to 13,000 to 14,000 years ago. They don't go, they don't want to take it further back because then that means that you would be pre-COVID people. And technically we were, because there's a question in which that was asked, well, who existed here 50,000 years ago? And that question was answered by an individual who is a doctor and professor from out of South Carolina State University. His name is Albert Goodyear, and he did forensic studies, and he did archaeological studies on the finds that he has gathered from out of this um Savannah, Georgia area, and he has stated that these are Negroid genetic markers that he has discovered, and he goes back to 50,000 years ago, so that is four that is 40,000 years before the Siberians is said to have come across the um Marin Strait, or what is known as across from out of Russia-China area into Alaska to become the Eskimos and Inu people and come down into the plains or become the plain Indians. And then, of course, we know that in um the late 1800s and going into the turn of the century of the 19th of 1900, we see that there was a court case in which that spoke about the fact of making Chinese Native Americans. The reason why is because they know that the Siberians who came over here are the cousins to the Chinese. So they simply made the Chinese after they had them to do um the San Francisco gold rush in 1849. Um they then they didn't know what to do, so they reclassify them not as Chinese, but as um Native Americans. And then you have the five dollar Indians who are the Europeans who came in and they bought their way into the various tribes or the so-called five civilized tribes, and this is why um the five civilized tribes are predominantly European to this day.

SPEAKER_02: 19:44

Okay, now um, okay, before I go to my my next question, uh the brother wise the dome tv says ask him what his haplogroups are.

SPEAKER_04: 19:58

My haplogroup, why haplogroup is E1B1A, which means that I am a Hebrew Israelite by bloodline, I'm also a Moor, as well as also related to Ramesses III, who sat on the throne of ancient Egypt, Kemet, and who was the father of the Omecs during the 20th dynastic period? I know who exactly who I am. The question is, who are you?

SPEAKER_02: 20:31

All right, now if the majority of African Americans were already here, why do nearly all black families have genealogical records traced back to plantations and not tribal role roles?

SPEAKER_04: 20:44

Because they because they enslaved the people who was here. Why would you travel 3,000 miles away for a trip that takes four months? As I just made, um, just told you about a second ago, a few minutes ago, in order to get a people when you got people who is here in this western hemisphere that you can manipulate and do the bidding. Um, they went to the islands, they told you where they went. They went to the islands, went to the coast of South America, Central America, brought them up into North America, and vice versa. And they just did a triangular move along the coast of the eastern hemisphere, the eastern of the west, as they call it the west. I believe that the map is um upside down personally, and that we're in the east, but that's another story. So I think that they just simply did a triangular um motion with their um ships instead of traveling all the way over to Africa, they utilized the so-called people who was already here, and we already know that is partly true because they told us early on in history that they had Native Americans as slaves, and then they said that the Native Americans knew the terrain too well, so they had to end up going to Africa in order to get Africans who didn't know the terrain as um and therefore brought them back so they they can um be the new slaves.

SPEAKER_02: 22:37

Uh uh uh what is it? Uh uh Rondu, Ron Rondu? Uh, what is a 9v? I don't know what that is. Uh what's a 9v?

SPEAKER_04: 22:49

Okay, so now the third question is why do indigenous tribes themselves have documented continuous ancestry, distinct languages and cultures, while most African Americans do not because the darker-skinned Native, or as I would say, American Indians or Moors, the darkest-skinned Moors who did not accept the um the reservation and would not accept the plantation was ostracized and they were reclassified as Negro, black, and colored. And that is the position that you are in to this very day. Prophet Noble Dra Lee told you that he was raised on the Cherokee reservation, so he was telling us that he was Cherokee. However, because he did not accept the Cherokee label and was put on to a reservation, he was a Moor. Okay, and he brought back the Moorish heritage as far as um saying that we were Moors um of Morocco, but Morocco is not what you think it is, Morocco is not the country in Africa, Morocco is the empire, the Moroccan Empire included the United States because who recognized the United States is the question. It was the Iroquois Confederation who recognized the United States, and the Iroquois Confederation was a group of Moors, and how we know this is because you have the Lenape Moors who met William Penn when he came in, and which we have the name Pennsylvania name after to this very day, but that was the territory of the Linne Lenape people, and the Linny Lenape people was known as the Delaware Moors. Not only were they called the Delaware Moors, they was also called the Nanacotes. Okay, and they ran all the way up from out of Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, on up into New York. Some of the Linilenopi remnants are the Montauk, the Shinnok, even the um, well, some some going to the fact that right there in Central Park was a whole village of the Seneca people, in which that was buried over by the Europeans in order to make what the what we now refer to as Central Park. But that was a so-called mor on American Indian territory or area at one time, what we now call Central Park. That was called Seneca Village.

SPEAKER_02: 26:07

Okay. Now I want to go into the transatlantic slave trade records a little bit, like just speak up, speak upon it a little bit. Uh, there are uh meticulous shipping logs, uh uh port records, plantation, manifest.

SPEAKER_04: 26:25

And only about 300,000, according to Emory University from out of Atlanta, Georgia, state specifically that on about 300,000 um Africans was bought here in a um through the slave um transatlantic slave trade. The majority or the vast majority of the so-called slaves went to Brazil allegedly. That we talked about the millions.

SPEAKER_02: 26:53

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that before, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 26:58

So that means that this story has changed so many times over the year, over the years, because they told us that they bought millions of us here. Come to find out, it was only 300,000.

SPEAKER_01: 27:17

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 27:20

How do you reconcile your position with the archaeological evidence of African presence in West slash Central Africa and slave uh forts like the Elmina, Gauri Islands, etc. And like the whole thing, like in Ghana, like there's a whole right, right? There's a whole thing around slavery, and it's like I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_04: 27:44

I did not say slavery did not exist. I'm just saying that to bring a massive amount of people on a boat packed like sardines, there are essentials that you need. That's what I'm saying. Now, if you had a smaller group, you're able to conduct um and manage a smaller group. There's no doubt about it. You had about 10 people, then that's a that's a different story, but you got 200 people, 300 people, four, five hundred people.

SPEAKER_02: 28:24

The the brothers are asking for your sources.

SPEAKER_04: 28:28

Common sense is number one, number two, or several books in which that now you can uh receive, you can get the return of the ancient ones by Empress Verdiasi, um, Tierra, Washitor, L Bay. She speaks about the fact that 85% of our ancestry was already here, and only about 15 um of our ancestry was bought from Africa recently within the 400 years. In other words, there was millions of us that was already here prior to the 300,000 in which that we just made mention of, and which that Emory University states that came to North America.

SPEAKER_02: 29:14

Now, um, of course, I'm open-minded, and um, you know, I'm not ever really saying no to information that I'm not sure of that I haven't, you know, take took a deep dive into to figure out whether it's right and exact or not. I'm not doing that, right? Because um a lot of the information that we have, whether it's dealing with uh uh uh uh uh you know pan African teachings, et cetera, a lot of the sources do come from um also European studies as well. So so we gotta really be careful, right, you know, um, you know, with our perception and the way we you know see things, you know, because it could be, you know, uh controlled and seen through a a a European scope if you will right so you know we gotta we gotta be careful and uh uh uh and and and uh open minded we gotta be careful and open minded definitely for sure uh you know um I would like to see I I would like to see this I would like to see the sources from our people and what we're saying and the sources from other historical events as well okay well let me give you another wonderful Ethiopians of the ancient Christian empire written by um Drusilla um Houston she states in here that there were three continents in which that was populated heavily by Negro people and she says America was one of them and what's her name you say her name is Drusilla Houston Houston okay I'm gonna check that out I'm gonna check that out she's speaking and she she's the one who wrote about um the fact that the first men of the ancient world were the men of Maru and the word Maru means more or more when you add the you on it it becomes plural well brother wise dome tv man um you know we were supposed to do a uh a a podcast a while back man I'm inviting you you could you know you could build me and you on on on how you see things as well you know as far as uh you know the African diaspora the transatlantic slave trade and things of that nature uh now um to the sixth question um uh if African Americans were native americans in large numbers why do why did european colonizers create an entire global economy based on the capture and transport of Africans because Africans were not the only ones who was being captured and transported so were the so-called American uh Indians i eat the Moors in other words our forefathers and foremothers as well were taken into slavery and was also according to my readings 300 people went back into Europe um with Christopher Columbus when he left on his last voyage i think i read that somewhere right right he took 300 of us from here to europe now when i went to the Grand Lodge of England and see this thing is that most people don't travel so only thing they got to rely on is a book but because I get a chance to travel all over the world I've gone to the Grand Lodge of England all right and the curator of the museum portion asks us specifically how you feel about the possibility of your first black president talking about Obama this was 2008 and it was about a week or two before Obama became president which we all knew the whole world knew he was going to become president because I never seen nothing like that before I mean they had like he was Michael Jackson they had posters of him all up even in Europe in England okay and when I went there um my wife turned around and said um there was more than nine before him and he jumped back and said who told you that you're not supposed to know that did they tell you that oh so that was a Masonic secret that we uncoded decoded no problem why because we did research why because I wrote a book on it called the first order all right oh yeah you did okay that's an old book right right that's my that's my first published book right that was a long time ago I remember that that was in 2009 yeah actually I wrote it in 2004 I remember that's that's back in the days man wow now um okay we went through that okay now um cultural and linguistic differences why don't African Americans share indigenous languages religion systems or material culture the same way other native groups do um we do we're the ones who gave um monotheism to the world the belief in one God came from us that's a known fact that Moses III um aknatin who is known as Amehotep the fourth um Amehotep the fourth who is aknaten the unk Antin he was a monotheist this is where the story of Moses comes from is derived from this is where the one the concept of the one God comes from you know is from is from him um we the ones in which that gave that concept to the world when we talk about um Kharas and he that's where the term christianity comes from when we talk about uh uh judaism um we got the deity known as Tahuti who is known as Jehuti and Jehuti is judaism that's the origin of Judaism is from Tahuti um when we talking about Islam we got sorim and sorim is the origin of that um of the religion of Islam and all three of these ancient practices existed within the ancient mystery school of Egypt of Kemet and Kemet was not just in Africa Kemet had an empire the dominion was scattered throughout the world and anybody who does research and study on the ancient Egyptian mystery schools know that there was um if you ever read the stolen legacy by George G. James he tells you that there was more than um 18 um ancient mystery schools scattered throughout the planet and there was several in the United in the so-called United States now in north south and central america they existed right here this is why the story of Kwasi Koto or what is known as exists and why it's almost parallel with the story of Jesus that he got crucified that he got um that he raised from the dead that uh uh he got when he was on the cross he got nailed on the cross all these types of things all these these same stories was told um with um quesicoto who's known as the plumed serpent which was right here in north america so talking about the the the announcement of the whole freaking religious system of the whole world came from us what they talking about okay all right now African culture such as Yoda Khan Wolof influences is clearly embedded in black American music food and spirituality how did that happen if they were already here because we just didn't stay here we had a tendency of roaming the world measuring the world I mean how would we as five percenters know the diameter of the planet earth did we just sit uh uh on a computer one day and say hey let me come up with that concept you know man listen 196 million four hundred thousand square miles of the planet earth uh wait i mean how we came uh huh but did we travel or did we travel the whole globe the whole the whole world listen i'm gonna tell you now that's a good that's a good point right there first of all because that 120 or that supreme wisdom right genius and what a law came up with with the supreme mathematics genius how did they come up with all of that you know i'm saying like and uh and uh uh and even if we take it back to uh the dogons of mali you know and they they understood what was in in in the in the heavens before the europeans did like you know these the these these things like how are we able to know these these things you know i'm saying like where is it coming from you know like you know so so um but now i want to go into i want to go into another question uh why do most federally recognized tribes reject the claim that african americans are the original members because they are trained in taught by the europeans and they are siberians anybody can see that they superior um siberians i mean just look at their facial features they have oriental facial features a lot of them on these tribes and if they don't have oriental facial features they have european facial features the dark skinned ones oftentimes are ostracized and are relegated and reclassified as Negro blacks and colors that's how it's been for the last few hundreds of years okay all right all right how do how do you address the political implications especially when tribes uh accuse this narrative of erasing indigenous identity and sovereignty well this is this is what we can do we can go back and look at reports there was a report by Dr.

SPEAKER_04: 40:45

Burt Eli um he is a biological a biology professor in the University College of Arts and Science and a colleague at the universities of Massachusetts and Maryland and he revealed that fewer than 10% of the American of the um African American mitochondrial DNA sequence that was analyzed can be matched to mitochondrial DNA from one single African ethnicity meaning that you can't say that all of us came from just one ethnicity this this is not possible okay so that means that we um and then when you come to find out that Lucia um and when they reconstructed her face one of the oldest skeletons of the Paleo Indians that was found in Brazil in South America um they reconstructed her face and it was a Negro face she had her skull shape Lucy from South Africa no no Lucia Lucia L-U-Z I A Lucia okay right one of the oldest skulls of the Paleo Indians found in Brazil and she was Negroid she was Negroid you know so once again that day's back in fact um Richard um knave um at the University of Manchester in England he was he's a forensics um doctor um professor and he is the one in which that said this is not um this does not show um the genetic markings or the head shape of a native of a native american he said this is a negroid head this is what he said in fact this is um hold on let me pull it up and this is what he said he said the Brazilian find shows that the new world was discovered tens of thousands of years earlier than previously believed certainly well before the time of the American Indian in other words before the Native Americans prehistoric skulls were found buried in layers of soil in Brazilian caves they were the oldest skulls of America the oldest skulls found in America Lucia belonged to a race found historically along the rim of the Indian Ocean in the islands of South Asia in East Africa and in Australia and Malaysia all right this is BBC he says that to me is a negroid face it was all of the features that you would associate it with a negroid face the proportions of the face doesn't say anything about it being a mongoloid this is what he said British forensic scientist Richard Naves so as long as they are coming out and telling the truth I'm going with what they're saying because I know that it makes common sense that if we are the oldest people on the planet earth we just didn't stay in Africa.

SPEAKER_02: 44:23

We was on all seven continents whether it was Pangea or when these continents begin to separate due to earthquake and volcanic activity we were still there so you're gonna find us no matter what continent that you go to you're gonna find us because we're gonna go to the face of the planet the original told us that one through ten on the lesson man the original man is the Ariatic black man the maker the owner the cream of planet earth father civilization god of the universe right so who else you're gonna find who else you gonna find actual fact so it's hard for those who get stuck in pan Africanism to think that there was niggas in America before the cracker came on the planet but I'm telling you it was too bad I'm sorry to bust your bubble on thinking that you just came from Africa just 400 years ago bought by the uh by the poor European who can't take the sun but yet he was on the um he was out in the sun for four months check check check all right uh can you point to peer review historical anthropological anthropological and genetic research supporting your claims yeah as a matter of fact let's read this by a Brazilian um anthropologist um his name is Walter Neves that's N-E-V-E-S he says the first reaction was not to believe in it just like most of the Negroes don't believe in it now but as the results repeated repeated repeated so many times and the result is exactly the same thing the skulls are very similar to the Australian aborigines and Africans and no similarities no similarities at all with Mongoloids in Asia this is what a Brazilian anthropologist stated he stated this Walter Neves let me write this let me let me get this down E V E S Neaves Walter Neav Dr.

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Walter Neves Brazilian scientists archaeologist anthropologists he stated this he said that the um Lucia was a negroid and nothing to do with mongoloids in Asia nor with he goes even further nor with uh with native americans I don't mean to cut you off William Willie Humphreys uh why can't this live be shared I don't know it must be something wrong with your on your end because this live can be shared for sure share it share it please all right pardon me yep you can go ahead and and so that's that's what we talk about so when Webster University Dictionary 1937 states that an aboriginal American it gave the definition of American an aboriginal one of the various copper colored natives found on the American continent by the descendants of european settlers the following is the original application of the name Meru and the word Mir which is the singular of Meru or Moors so they're telling you that America is the land of the Moors okay okay I think uh I don't know if uh you guys see his screen is frozen oh no now you're good now you're good now it's so important all right now um uh is it possible this now I'm I'm I'm like I'm like basically playing the devil's advocate here right even though I don't like saying that right the devil's advocate I'm not a devil at all now um now um is it possible this belief gained traction because many African Americans lack knowledge of their specific African origins due to slavery not because those origins don't exist no because you can check your teeth genetically and find out if that's true or not if you possess shovel teeth which I suggest that you all do your research and study on that this is another genetic sequence in which that if you understood properly you would know that you are not just African because Africans have straight teeth they do not have shovel teeth majority of the so-called Negroes in America have shovel teeth meaning that you can't be just African and Dr. Clyde Winters already told us this in his book that we're not just African that's the name of the book get the book what's his name we're not just African by Dr Clyde Winters okay I'm gonna check that out okay now uh the teeth shovel teeth straight teeth Africans like Americans and Europeans have straight teeth they do not possess shovel teeth if they have shovel teeth then that means that they are part of the ancestry of those who came from out of the interior of America out of North America in particular because the shovel teeth are found amongst the Native Americans the American Indians and about 20% Asians see this is genetics okay do you acknowledge that some groups pushing this claim profit from confusion and historical trauma experienced by black people some could be but we're talking about genetics and history and um anthropology as well as also archaeology forensics um scientists and I've mentioned all of that information so how is that dealing with trauma we just gave every sequence in which that if you took your ass to school and you're trying to get an A in class you would have to do the research and study for that okay okay okay now uh if um if uh conspiracy at large is rewriting the identity of tens of millions of people existed uh who would have benefited and who maintained it for 400 years um if you were the largest mass of people here and they was able to put those who wanted benefits on reservations and you was the largest mass of people by the millions and they didn't want to go at war with you any longer what would you begin to start teaching this land is your land this land is my land this land is made for you and me that's what you do because we went to war with them from 1715 to 1860 and if you don't know the wars now suggest you go and do your research once again you have the Yamasy wars or Yamassi wars you have the Seminore Wars and you also have the Gulagie Wars those were the same people fighting against these individuals through Georgia and Florida South Carolina Georgia and Florida and they fought the Albion for over 200 years almost 200 years from 1715 to 1860 so at least 150 years documented it was years before that where they was also fighting so when they say that we didn't fight back we just allow for them to put us in slavery no that didn't happen in fact we never lost the war and when you do your research on the Seminar Yamasy and the Gullah Geechee Wars we never lost the war they lost so only thing they could do was write us out of history and this is why they don't talk about these particular wars because this is these are the wars in which they led to the civil war in 1860 where they had to fight us some more and not just some more they was fighting Moors okay okay I think that was uh that was thorough brother that was that was thorough I'm ready to uh rewind this and do the knowledge on it I'm definitely oh uh muddy muddy joe um muddy joe talk about it thank you for the 20 I really appreciate you muddy joe um peace now I have something reading to do I do too sir a lot uh let me see so the Yamese Yamesse wars and you said the gulla wars and the gullah wars all right those wars ran consecutively from 1715 to 1860 to the time of the civil war actually some say from 1858 but I say it had to be all the way until the Civil War until we actually gain our freedom in 1863 and then of course they claim that well we didn't tell nobody until two years later the 1865 you know after the emancipation proclamation and all this nonsense no that's why they made um Abraham Lincoln who was a Negro um a lung documented by um J.E.

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Rogers documented by um sister or sett in their book um in in both of their books um the five negro presidents and then the six black presidents okay okay that was thorough um on that note thank you for coming out and joining us this evening I really appreciate you sticking with us man uh we're growing uh you help you helped grow this platform really appreciate you greatly um uh you didn't you don't have to uh come on you know what I mean but you did you supported us from the from the jump man and uh we salute you and and greatly appreciate you uh for sticking with us man um hopefully you come back again and build on this this very topic because I would like to go into the Yemesy the Gullah uh gulla geechee wars and the seminal wars and you know all of that history because uh it's not it's not really being spoken about on on these uh these these uh platforms so uh so uh if you want to let people know where they can find you um you know you can you can take it away um you can find me on dralimlbay.com dralimlbay.com you can also find me on my facebook um draleem elbey as well as also you can find me on youtube um asarualem lbay and so you can definitely um hit me up on any place i'm on snapchat i'm on instagram i'm on um as well as um tick tock okay i didn't know that that's peace all right so i'm gonna definitely check you out on those those platforms again thank you for coming out this evening brother peace to the god first off peace to the peace to the god and we are out of here thank y'all for coming out this evening peace family welcome to nyp talk show this is more than a podcast it's a conscious platform rooted in truth and culture from the 5% nation nation of Islam Moorish movement and masonry our mission is to reclaim our narrative and uplift the African diaspora with real stories and real conversations support us through super chat during live shows donations on Cash App, GoFundMe, Patreon or BugSprout and by reference our official merch available on our website and right here on YouTube's merch shelf every dollar every super chat every hoodie builds the movement this is NYP Talk Show