Paths & Portals: Tarot reading meets the Orishas - Ayabas Wynd

The year winds down and the energy changes—cleansings get serious, prayers stretch longer, and choices at the crossroads carry more weight. We bring that reality into a vivid conversation where Tarot archetypes meet Orisha wisdom, not as a mashup gimmick, but as a respectful bridge between symbols and ceremony. From Elegba’s guidance through the Fool to the fierce momentum of Ogun in the Chariot, we track how archetypes illuminate real-world decisions, protection, and timing.

Our guest breaks down the differences between card readings, shell divination, and Ifa, and why integrity means knowing when to refer someone to a Santero or Babalawo. We explore brujeria season and the non-negotiables of spiritual hygiene: regular cleansings, offerings, and keeping the spirit cool rather than spiritually “hot.” The High Priestess carries the intuition of Oshun, Oya, and Yemaya, while Obatala reminds us to clear the mind, wear white, and rise with the sun. Numbers become quiet signals—sevens that whisper ocean work, nines that hint at Oya’s winds—without overstepping what only Diloggun or Ifa can confirm.

We also talk lunar cycles and how full moons deepen readings, stir emotions, and demand care. Then we put it all into action with a live mini reading that threads ancestry, travel, and money flow into practical next steps: protect your gains, honor all lines of your lineage, and open your roads the right way. The message is clear—let Tarot start the conversation and let the Orishas, through their proper divination, finalize your route. If this blend of grounded spirituality and real guidance speaks to you, hit play, subscribe for more, share with a friend who needs clarity, and leave a review with the card or Orisha that guides you most.

Chapters

• 0:11 Welcome, Holiday Vibes, Housekeeping
• 0:37 Guest Intro And Year-End Rituals
• 1:21 Brujeria Season And Spiritual Hygiene
• 3:32 Paths And Portals: Topic Set
• 4:21 The Fool And Elegba At The Crossroads
• 7:19 The High Priestess And Feminine Orishas
• 8:47 Cards, Shells, And Ifa Divination
• 11:09 Mapping Suits To Elemental Energies
• 14:04 Orisha Tarot Debates And Taboo
• 16:40 Integrity In Readings And Referrals
• 18:43 Hanged Man, Road Openings, And Work
• 20:29 Chariot, Ogun, And Warrior Momentum
• 22:49 Yoruba, Santeria, And Lukumi
• 24:54 Warnings, Blessings, And Spiritual Heat
• 27:11 Lunar Cycles, Emotion, And Depth
• 29:12 Ashe In Major Arcana Symbols
• 31:28 Signs Of Orisha Presence In Numbers
• 34:02 Obatala, Mind, And Judgment In Tarot
• 36:00 Reading Method, Spreads, And Timing
• 38:00 Live Mini Reading And Ancestry
• 52:30 Travel, Money, And White For Clarity
• 55:39 Closing, Contact Info, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

Peace, peace, peace. Well, how are you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show. You know, the baddest podcast and the conscious community in that niche. You know what I'm saying? Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We have super chats. We have merch on the website. Check out the merch that we have. And you know, tell a friend to be a friend of ours. We are thankful to be here. And tonight we have a special guest, the one and only Ayabas win.

SPEAKER_03: 0:43

Hi guys, happy holidays.

SPEAKER_00: 0:46

Yeah, man. It's been a while, man. We got you back.

SPEAKER_03: 0:50

It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_00: 0:51

It's been a minute. What you've been, you know, been up to on the grind. Everybody's doing that grind run.

SPEAKER_03: 0:58

Yeah, I mean, it's it's approaching the end of the year. And so uh, you know, in my um spiritual practice, we kind of um, you know, we do our egg um work, our ancestral work, working the eggons, honoring the egg uns, the ancestors. Um, and um then it's like after December 17th, which is Babaluaye's day. Uh, he is a Risha um that we, you know, celebrate on that day. Uh, you know, he basically goes through the world and he, you know, cleanses uh everyone and everything of plagues and diseases and you know, disease and balance. Uh, and so after the 17th, we kind of go through a quiet period, like a dormant period, um, where we're just in prayer and meditation until the new year.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51

Okay, I got you. It sounds so that that sounds so familiar. I know in Haitian Wudu, they consider this now the macaya season.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58

The macaya season, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00

Everything is just people taking care of everything before the year wraps up. So it's like they feeding their wives or doing certain where they gotta take care of everything before the year closes out and you know, everything goes back to New Year's or after January 6th, which is Three Kings Day.

SPEAKER_03: 2:19

Yes, yeah. So and then also, too, at this time, you know, and just for the viewers that they don't know, you know, at this time, this time of year, you know, the Bruheria, the witchcraft, the oval is is major at this time, right? So it's it's off the chain. So it's like, you know, um people who are you know living in darkness, practicing in darkness, you know, um, you know, this is just what what they do, and so it's very important for us to stay clean, for our spiritual hygiene to be like at its peak, you know, with doing the BSS, cleanings, you know, um, ebo, you know, offerings, you know, um, honoring, acknowledging, you know, the egg when the ancestors and the orisha and the loas and whatever spirit you honor, um, because it's a really treacherous period.

SPEAKER_00: 3:18

Definitely, man. Keep your mind clean, as you as you say, spiritual hygiene, meditation, avoiding negativity, being in exactly, you know, stay away from negative people as well, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 3:31

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 3:31

That's that's dope. So I'm happy we have you here tonight. And tonight we'll be talking about the paths and portals. Tarot reading meets the orishas.

SPEAKER_02: 3:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 3:42

Before we get into that, let me see if I can just throw this little uh snippet up here if I have it, if it's working or not, I know. Yeah, definitely. So um I'm very I'm very thankful to have you here for that. So we're gonna get into the get into this show real quick.

SPEAKER_03: 4:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 4:01

And you know, I'm you know, I got my questions ready to ask, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 4:05

I know you're ready to pop off.

SPEAKER_00: 4:09

Ready to pop off, man. Pop off in a you know, in a positive way.

SPEAKER_03: 4:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 4:14

All right, and we're gonna talk about you know the major icon and the archetypes within Tarot and Orisha.

SPEAKER_03: 4:19

So okay.

SPEAKER_00: 4:21

How can the full card be interpreted through the energy of elegwa issue as opener of the crossroads?

SPEAKER_03: 4:29

Well, you know, the full always in traditional tarot represents new beginnings, it represents taking risks, it represents free will. And you know, a legba is all that, but you know, you gotta choose wisely, you gotta have a level head. Because if your head is all over the place, you know, you could go down a path that's not a good path. So, you know, a legba represents all of that. It's like which way you're gonna go, and he'll go like this, and it's up to you to decide, you know, and that is why, again, our spiritual hygiene, uh, you know, staying in tune, staying high frequency, high vibration, very important so that we can make the right decisions to go down the right path, you know, because we can go down another path, and that path could be treacherous, you know, or take us, you know, to places that we don't need to go. So, you know, Alekba is definitely that, you know, um, he's there to support you and help you, you know, to listen to you. You know, uh, you gotta honor him, work with him. Um, you know, his day is generally Mondays. Um, and um, you know, you give him his little his little bit of rum or gin, you know, some candy, some coffee, you know, some sweets, um, his his bananas, his hand of bananas, um, and uh, you know, his smoke his cigar. Um, you have that conversation with him and you make it happen. I saw this thing on TikTok where um I don't know if she was a priest or not, but she was, you know, talking to her legba on Monday, honoring Alekba, and she's like, This is my therapist. Alekba is my therapist. So, you know, she's basically saying that you know, she goes to him for everything, she consults with him. That's like her ace moon coon.

SPEAKER_00: 6:26

That's true, is you know, it beasts, you know, spending X amount of dollars, you know, to each day only, you know, they are different methods of seeking therapy, but you know, use what works for you, yeah. You know, exactly. So it's a different realm.

SPEAKER_03: 6:39

And Alegba, you know, they always say like he's a trickster and everything like that, but you know, there's a very um uh honest, serious side to Alegba. You know, it's not that he's always funning games, you know. You don't want to get on the wrong side of him, and you always want to honor him, you know, and honor his energy because he is the the road opener for everybody. And in my tradition, he can speak for all the orishas, you know. Uh, you know, when you go to petition to him and talk to him with the obie with the coconut, um, you know, he can speak for all the orishas, he can take a bow for all the orishas.

SPEAKER_00: 7:16

Got you, got you. That's dope. So, how does the um high priestess parallel osun or yemaya in intuition and mystery?

SPEAKER_03: 7:28

The high priestess, yeah. The high priestess to me embodies all of the female orishas, okay? Oshun, oh yeah, yamaya, oba. Okay, she embodies all of those things in one, and so this is really um, you know, our higher self, our intuition, um, you know, um living in that place, you know, trying to um get to that place of being in that high priestess mode. You know, sometimes when I get this card in readings, it's you know, really it's about um spiritual ascension, that you know, the spiritual ascension for this person is beginning, or like this is this is what is at the end of the rainbow, at the end of the tunnel, um, or at the end of the path, you know, for this um, you know, spiritual awareness um and enlightenment, you know, to be illuminated, you know, and not in the aspect of the traditional illuminati that you know gets is all over, you know, um social media, but you are essentially illuminated.

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

Got you. So, like, you know, before I go any further, so with with within the Erisha practice of Ephos and Toria, are there um you know, particular set of cards that are used? Was it is it the traditional tarot, or you can use the playing cards?

SPEAKER_03: 8:51

No, so you know, in in my practice and my tradition, and this is how my former godparent did that, you know, he took us to uh get spiritual readings to um address our spiritual or codon espiritual or quadro espiritual, our spiritual entourage, our spiritual, our group of spirits that walk with us. Okay, so that was the spiritual reading, and with that, you know, that spiritual reading incorporated cards. Um, and uh it was typically done by um a priest of OCA who was also a spiritualist, a card reader. So he would use cards, he would also use stones um with his own interpretation of what would come out for us, yeah. Um, and then you know, numbers and his own interpretation. Then uh, you know, the other aspect of that is is communicating, um, being in alignment with what is ordained uh for you through the orishas. And so with the orisha speaking to you, we go and we speak to the orishas through the de lagoon or the caracoles, which are the the shells. Okay, they're the mouths of the orisha. And typically we go through uh and we speak to um elegwa, elegba. Um, and a legba delivers the messages um that we need to have when we go and we sit before a priest who does the de lagoon reading. Um, and so, but then the other component of that is Ifa. And that's when we go to a luo, um uh a priest of Urumila, um, a babalao, who uh reads with the either ikines, the ikin are like the seeds, um, the special seeds um that they the uh babalau's divine with, um, and where they use the opele, the chain, and it comes out in a series of um different configurations on the board, um, kind of like ones and zeros, but there it's much deeper than that. And um, the orishas also speak, orumila also speaks um through this particular divination system.

SPEAKER_00: 11:08

Gotcha, that's dope right there. So we're gonna you know delve into that a little more and trying to correlate this with Tara Reading as far as like the you know, minor encouragement and elemental energy energies. How do the suits, wands, cups, swords, pentacles map onto the four classical orisha elemental forces?

SPEAKER_03: 11:29

Yeah, so you know the wands, the wands, um um, the swords, the spades. Uh, it depends on if you're reading with you know regular playing cards or if you're reading with the classic traditional tarot, but the hearts of the cups and the car, the cups represent love, and who represents love is Oshun. Uh, it can be Obah. Um, but we really, when we read the cards, we really don't mix the orisha's per se into the spiritual reading. There can be aspects of the orisha's energy, but it is in, it's it's a spiritual reading. Okay, but like for how I read, and you know, um uh an elder priest in Olcha, he has many, many years of Olcha, he said that the first Orisha to have the um the D Lagoon, the Garacoles, the shells, was Oshun. Okay, and so, you know, uh uh if you have uh Oshun's numbers um in Odoo, which is a system and there they're um it's a system of how we read the people, the we read the people through how the numbers fall, and there's particular Odoo or stories, patakis that uh follow along with the numbers that fall. You know, um I because I you know am seated to be a reader of the shells, I also you incorporate the numbers of the orishas and odo into my spiritual reading. I can't not do that. I can't ignore that. Like there's not a there's not a totally separate meaning for the numbers that fall for me, because I'm a priest of Oya, you know, um, and I understand Odoo. I'm still learning Odoo, but I understand Odoo. And so I have to incorporate those numbers. Those numbers mean to me what it is in the Odoo, you know, and you're always learning because the the stories, the amount of knowledge and the wisdom in the Odoo, which is like a body, it's the womb of knowledge, um, and it's a feminine energy. And so, you know, there's such depth. There's over, you know, there's so there's so much depth to it. Um, and so um, you know, with that, I read according to the numbers of Odoo aspects of the Odoo um in my card readings. But, you know, I read between Oracle and Tarot. So I also interpret the cards based on the images, not just numbers as well. And also I look into the traditional meanings of the cards as well. It just depends on intuitively how I'm feeling the card.

SPEAKER_00: 14:25

Got you. That's that's so dope that you mentioned that that you're able to um um somehow correlate and able to justify what you're picking up from the readings based on the card and intuition and the spread, right? Because I was wondering, is there some type of taboo because of that? Because some people be like, Well, I like it to, you know, no, some people don't like doing things a different method, like they'd be like, I want to stick to this traditional route.

SPEAKER_03: 14:50

Yeah, I mean, there is taboo, like you know, tarot readers, spiritual readers, they've you know gotten a lot because there are um tarot cards that have the orishas on them. There it's the orisha tarot. I think there's maybe two or three, yeah, there's uh there's like two or three decks of that. And so um, you know, a lot of the traditional um priests of OCHA, they have issue with incorporating the orishas into spiritual readings. Um I think it's particularly an issue if the person that's reading the cards is not initiated as a priest of OCA, because there's certain levels of knowledge, wisdom, mysteries, and information um that the priest can offer and interpret if he or she decides to use these orisha tarot cards.

SPEAKER_00: 15:50

Got you. I like that.

SPEAKER_03: 15:51

And I'm not gonna lie, I have the cards. There, you know, there the the one deck that I had was more of a candomble, which they honor the orishas as well. Um, but it was from a Brazilian perspective, which is cool. And I think it's just like no tarot card reader, no card reader is the same. We all tap into different gifts and talent talent um gifts and and talent and knowledge. Um, we all have different experiences, you know. Um, and so it's how you read. Now the person is talking bullshit. That's a problem.

SPEAKER_00: 16:28

It's not uniform.

SPEAKER_03: 16:29

Yeah, it's not uniform. And you know, I can speak to my experiences um as a priest of ultra. Um and so and so I I cannot separate my my um the energy of ultra from the cards. I can't. I can't because it's it's oneness. I am one with the the orishas, I'm one with the egg one, especially because I'm a daughter of Oya. Oya is the mother of eggun. So it's it's nonsense for someone to think that those two could be separated.

SPEAKER_00: 17:10

But you know, I I believe in the aspect of one one becoming, you know, you become one with your cards as well, too.

SPEAKER_03: 17:17

Yeah, there's it, it's like, you know, there the cards, you know, you breathe life into the cards, you say prayers, you know, and my and my spirit guides, my um, you know, my spiritual entourage, my codon spiritual wow, my quadrura spirit the wow has led me to create certain cards to personalize the experience even more when you sit down to read with me. And because I have, you know, knowledge um in the tradition, I have experience, I have, you know, um that ancestral tie to this. Um, you know, the readings that you get with me are much more in depth um than say an average basic tarot reading.

SPEAKER_00: 18:02

All right. And I'm not gonna lie, people, I have, you know, her services are on point. And I have done a reading with her before. She's on point, man. She's on point.

SPEAKER_03: 18:10

But look, I always like, you know, I always emphasize that look, this is a um, this is a spiritual reading, and um, you know, you would benefit from going to get uh, you know, uh a D Lagoon reading, you know, to see what the Orishas are having to say if there is in fact issue with anything. You know, that has to be explored, like the you know, the problem is a little more serious.

SPEAKER_00: 18:39

All right. I'm gonna ask this one question right here. Can the hangman be linked to sacrifice traditions found in Yoruba cosmology?

SPEAKER_03: 18:49

The hangman?

SPEAKER_00: 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 18:51

I mean, you know, for me, the hangman is basically someone being in limbo, you know, someone being in a holding pattern, the, you know, stagnation, um, you know, in deep contemplation, uh, in a state of indecision. Um, and so, you know, that can lend itself to, you know, um, as it relates to, you know, doing work in OCA and working with the orishas, you know, it may be that this person is just in a state of like being stuck and needs to do work, not only doing like a limpieza or cleaning uh with, you know, doing an abrecamino bath, an open road bath, but also working with a legba because a legba is responsible for opening the roads and he can also close your roads. So, you know, it just would be silly to not say, like, look, if you have a legba, you may want to consider working with a legba. Some of the people that come to read with me don't have ultra. They don't know the first thing about the orishas. Um, but I do have a lot of priests of ultra that come to me um to get readings. And, you know, I like I said, it wouldn't be smart of me to to just totally ignore a legba when it's showing the cards are saying that the person's roads are closed.

SPEAKER_01: 20:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 20:10

You know, it's irresponsible of me to not mention alegba or egun for that matter, because those are the main ones that are responsible for opening the roads with the help of the other orishas.

SPEAKER_00: 20:22

I got you. Can the chariot reflect Ogun's forward movement and warrior discipline?

SPEAKER_03: 20:29

Yeah, that the you know, the chariot, yeah, it's it's forward movement, and you know, with that, the driving force is Ogun. Ogun is relentless, his energy is relentless. So if you want to carve the path and you know, with the machete, you know, you keep going. So yeah, you could work with Ogun, you know, you could clean with the machete, you can make offerings to, you know, Ogun, petition Ogun, light him up, you know, big him up, um, give him his adimus, you know, whatever it is that he requires to clear the path so that you can move forward. Him and him and Allegba and O Chosi, they all work together to clear the road and the path. Um, and and then adding Shang Gogh to that. Shango, he's the king, he's the Dandara, but he's the master strategist, but he is also vitality. He is like, he is living. If you are not living your life and you're sitting in your house day in and day out, not doing anything, there's no passion, there's no nothing, that is almost an insult to Shango. Because Shango is the life force, he is living, living your life, but doing it responsibly. Because when Shango, you know, there's stories of Shanghai, you know, um living on this planet before he was, you know, deified, before he went into the spirit realm and to uh Olodung, uh, you know, he um you know, he drank, he loved to drink, he loved to smoke, he loved to party, he loved women, he loved sex and everything. He overdid it with everything.

SPEAKER_00: 22:06

He was a playboy, huh? He was a playboy.

SPEAKER_03: 22:10

He's a playboy, and so in his elevated state, of course, he's like, Look, I lived that life, I'm here for you. You don't need to live how I lived. You can party, no problem. Hang out, enjoy your friends, enjoy life, you know, but do things in moderation because if you don't, you're gonna get spanked, you're gonna get the consequence, the consequences of your actions.

SPEAKER_00: 22:37

See if somebody already asked a question. Peace to the new Black Panther Party. Ask what's the difference between Yoruba and Santeria? She did she has explained it on different shows, but you know, just for just for the sake of the slides, if you could tell them.

SPEAKER_03: 22:51

Yeah, I mean, Yoruba is is the people, it's the traditions, it's the lifestyle of the people um in that uh West Africa, Nigeria, Benin region. Um, and I'm not no I'm by no means like a historian. I don't claim to be the um brother Obade Dayo, uh John Mason. They are the historians, so I'm gonna give them that respect. But um Santaria was uh I don't want to say a watered-down version of it. It was just the concealment of the orishas behind the saints because the slavers, the conquerors, the conquistadors, um, whoever they were, the colonizers, threatened the lives of the slaves if they saw the slaves of the Africans practicing in their traditions of their home. So the Africans had to disguise their orishas, which have the Yoruba uh origins, they had to disguise them behind the saints. So Shango was Santa Barbara, mirgen de caridad was Oshun. You know what I'm saying? And so um, amongst others. But I, you know, for me, uh, and you know, the people I roll with, and people I were initiated with, I was initiated with, um, you know, and we were initiated out of a famous house out of Bed Sai, huge house, hundreds of people initiated. Yes, Best Dye, Brooklyn. Um you know, we honor the Orishas how they are. There's no disguising them. And so we call that aspect of how we honor them Lukumi.

SPEAKER_00: 24:37

Straight raw, straight to the queen, straight raw, authentic in its pristine state. So next question I have: how can the tarot reveal whether an orisha is offering warning or a blessing?

SPEAKER_03: 24:54

Well, you know, I for me, I um have specific cards that indicate like this person, there's dark magic, there's, you know, um there's you know, bad luck, there's sickness, there's loss, there's this and that. And so, you know, with that, um, that means that there could be something more serious operating. And at that point, you know, if the person is open to it, or if they are an olorisha, um, you know, which is someone who has been initiated um at the highest level in lukumi, as a high priestess, as a priest, uh, a santero or a santera, um, I would recommend that they go and get a more extensive reading with the shells, the de lagoon, the caracoles, or go to Ifa to get read by the Baba Lao. Usually people go to the Baba Lao if they're the energy around them is really hot. There's certain Odoo letters, numbers that fall for them in D lagoon and a Dilagun reading that indicate that there's a lot of spiritual heat, and that spiritual heat has to be cooled down. Remember, in many of the West African traditions, and also like in Hinduism and other traditions, it's always good to be cool spiritually, not to be spiritually hot. You want spiritual heat when you're talking about love and passion and relationships. Yes. But you know, just in a general state, staying in alignment with your destiny, you know, yes, you have to stay cool. And so that's why you go to a babalao, because the babalaos oftentimes read a person when someone is really sick. They may have had a cancer diagnosis, or you know, there may have been an accident or a job loss. Like there's some major um traumatic events in this person's life that need to be um addressed. So a lot of times people will go to a babalao, um, but they can also go to a um a Santero, Santera to get a reading as well with the shells.

SPEAKER_00: 27:09

Got you, and with the shells, and it's like okay, that's dope. And they call those cart those kari shells, right? Kori, kari.

SPEAKER_03: 27:16

Ums we call them caracoles or diligun. Gotcha, and those shells were uh, you know, those shells were very rare. At one point, it was hard to get those shells, so those shells are sacred, and they go back many, many years, many, many years.

SPEAKER_00: 27:37

This is dope. This is dope learning. I'm learning some. How do you blend EFA cosmology with Western tarot symbolism respectfully? And I do mean respectfully.

SPEAKER_03: 27:50

Yeah, like I said, that's that right there will cause a fight. That causes an argument, um, honestly. So, you know, like I said, I let the the Ululos, the children of Orumila, Orumila, the Baba Laos, I handle the uh I let them handle their business. You know, um, you know, I when I do the D Lagoon readings, I focus on the Odoos one to 12. Once you go above that, that's the Baba Laos region. But also the Baba Laos are skills and adept in, you know, helping people again with, you know, sickness, really bad sickness, loss, you know, um, equal death, and all those things, those heavy um topics. So I have no problem. I said, look, you know, I will send you to a Baba Lao if you don't have one. I will send you to a Santero if you don't have one. Usually if they if I read them spiritually, um, then I will send them to someone um to get read um uh with the diligent.

SPEAKER_00: 28:55

Go deep go deeper into that, right? Mm-hmm. Gotcha. That that you know, you know, and I like how you how you broke that down. You said, you know, and you show it shows your integrity, like you're not gonna push it. If I can't, you know, fully diagnose what's going on, I'll pass it on to somebody else. But you got some people out there that are so like money hungry, yes, they'll give they will sell you some some nonsense and throw you off, you know, throw you off.

SPEAKER_03: 29:20

No, and it's like, you know, so tarot cards are supposed to be for entertainment use only. And so I always have to like state that as the disclaimer, but I take this very seriously. This is not a joke, it's not a game, it's not a party trick, it's not uh, you know, um, you know, something that I do for fun. Like, you know, reading people is a very heavy, serious thing. And I am humble, I am humble uh in front of Arisha and I am humble in front of Eggun. You know, yes, ma fai fumo yao. Oh yeah, she is the mother of the egging, the mother of the dead. You know what I'm saying? But like I said in previous videos, I am not oh yeah. I carry her, I shake, and I do what she tells me to do. You know, and I have to respect the people that come to me. And the people that come to me, you know, they come with a whole assortment of issues from risks of going to prison and getting locked up, their jobs being taken away, children being taken away, car accidents, hauntings, you know, um, you know, wicked family members doing like the most evil things. Like, you don't know the countless stories, political, uh, um, um, political sabotage and treachery. I've had celebrities, politicians, like all of that come to me. And so, like, this is not a joke, it's not a game. It's not.

SPEAKER_00: 31:01

I got so you say, I know you can't disclose that it's like a doctor is the Hippocratic, a hipper for hipporate, spiritual hipporate, you can disclose. But did your client leave behind baby oil?

SPEAKER_03: 31:14

Well, I told you I went to Puffy's parties. Like I had, yeah, I had VIP access, you know, um, you know, a friend of mine, he worked for um Bad Boy. So I was at all the party, I was at Diddy's house in the Hamptons, I was at all the parties that, you know, the Cheetah, you know, Justin's Shark Bar. I was all up in there. But the good thing was is that I stayed on the periphery and I was not, thank God. Um, you know, I could have, you know, worked as an assistant to someone big at Def Jam. I could have done a lot of things, but you know, a reach and egg one protected me from that because there is a lot of treachery in that, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 31:56

Um leave the party.

SPEAKER_03: 32:02

I was watching something on YouTube and it was a comedian that he was saying at 1 15, I was out. So I was out of those parties rather early. It was, you know, it's usually the VIP, you know, the A-less people that stay past one o'clock and they then it turns into something else.

SPEAKER_00: 32:19

Something else. I got you. Yeah, I'm just messing around. Um, what um let me see, how do lunar cycles and orisha energies influence tarot accuracy?

SPEAKER_03: 32:31

Well, I would say like the energies are strongest for me on the full moon. Um, you know, it's a very witchy kind of moon. Um, I'm sorry, my cat is I have a black cat kitten and he's biting the heck out of my feet. Stop that.

SPEAKER_00: 32:44

Oh good. What's up?

SPEAKER_03: 32:46

Um and um and so, you know, with that, um uh the energy is totally different. Like the level of, you know, the depth of the reading and the energy around those readings that I read on full moon is really intense and it can be very emotional. Um, you know, I've had people um, you know, crying. I've cried it sometimes, you know, because the energy is so intense as I'm doing the reading. Um, and so you know, with that, um, yeah, I'm sorry, the cat is like while you're handling the cat.

SPEAKER_00: 33:22

Don't forget, people don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. Super chats, ask questions, ask questions, ask questions. We have merch on our website. You know, I want more participation so far. People are watching. We got quite a few people in here that are paying attention. The sister is breaking it down for us. We learn different perspectives. Salute to the black cat that made it on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 33:45

This is my Shango cat because Shango's my father. I walk a via sele.

SPEAKER_00: 33:50

Okay, okay. What up, man? Go go chase the mouse, you know, single through something.

SPEAKER_03: 33:55

Yeah, he's he's a piece of work, this kitten.

SPEAKER_00: 33:59

All right, and I and I have another one. How does the concept of our She appear within Tarot? Tarot symbolism, tarot symbolism.

SPEAKER_03: 34:07

I mean, Ashe is your guiding force, it's it's the power that you have to manifest things, it's the power that you have to tap into energies, to tap into spirit. And so again, like that hero font card, the the high priestess card, the empress card, the emperor card. Um, you know, all of those cards are um, you know, cards that, you know, indicate tapping into that Ashe, that, you know, the highest energy possible. Okay. Um, I would also think the moon. Sometimes the moon talks about things that are hidden, but it also talks about like the unknown and mysticism and you know, that magical um, you know, place. So uh, and I would think like a combination of those cards, uh, you know, coming up, um, you know, all of those things indicate like the power within and spiritual ascension. Again, you know, a lot of the people I read, um, they are in their spiritual ascension phase. And some people embrace it and other people are just like dumbfounded. They're just like, oh my God, what do I do? Like, you know, it's a lot of pressure, you know, and responsibility. When you come and get a card reading, um, you know, you then become responsible for the information. And so for some people, it's a lot to handle, but other people, it's like, look, I got the answers I needed, I got the remedies I needed. Now let me make some moves to address these issues through a bow and offerings, through cleanings, you know, through getting um, you know, uh D Lagoon or a five reading. I always promote that, no problem.

SPEAKER_00: 35:47

That's SP. And you know, just for the for the listeners and viewers, you know, I'm gonna do something crazy on here. Like before the show ends out, I'm gonna have the sister read me.

SPEAKER_03: 35:56

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00: 35:57

If anyone have one question they want to ask, you could come up, you know, you could put up a name and maybe you know the sister will check you out. But I'm gonna do this before the show closed out. I'm gonna have a probably you know the last 10-15 minutes have you read me out.

SPEAKER_03: 36:12

That'd be great.

SPEAKER_00: 36:14

You know, I would I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. Let's just check it out. I think we'll do it again. Um what orisha speaks through the ace of swords, truth and decision?

SPEAKER_03: 36:28

Yeah, that's basically um, you know, truth and honesty, you know, it's so many orishas. I mean, the you know, the swords are very airy kind of energy, it's intellectual, it's in the mind. So of course, ma fedi funobatala, you know, for that that mind piece to um, but you know, truth and honesty, I always feel like it's so Chosy, um, it's oh goon, you know, um, you know, just living in your truth. So I think those orishas in particular represent that.

SPEAKER_00: 37:03

Oh, really? That's dope right there. So, you know, being that we we we go on with the tarot reading through the um the orishas, and and we know I'm glad that you you know explain it for us. You say we can't can a card tell you which um orisha, like say how can we and how can we interpret the presence of orisha in a reading? Like, are there any signs that indicate that uh orisha is present?

SPEAKER_03: 37:30

Well, I mean, like if someone sits down before me, sometimes I can sense it right away, and it's just that's my Ashe, my ashe working, me, you know, um connecting with that person, with that that person's spirit. And if they have Santo, I usually pick that up right away as well. They have Orisha crown. Um, but sometimes too, like I said, you know, I read numbers. And so if a number seven keeps popping up over and over and over and over again, you know, of course, who owns the number seven? Well, one of the main orishas is yamaya. So, you know, I would have to say, okay, you know, uh, I can't say that this person has Yamaya with them. Um, but I can say, you know, you may want to do a cleaning at the ocean, you may want to do something with ocean water, you may want to make an offering, um, you know, go to the beach, you know, say prayers, cry, whatever it is you gotta do. I cannot ignore the number seven. If the seven keeps popping up, and I know in my tradition what the number seven means, there's other reaches that have the number seven, but for me and for most people, people know seven to be Yamaya's energy. Okay, so I would speak around it, but to know definitively whether Yamaya is with this person, again, they will have to go to get a D Lagoon reading. And that's respect to, you know, the ancient practice of um, you know, speaking to the Urishas, you know, through the Dilagoon. And so, you know, I honor that, but I cannot ignore that. If someone is reading with a lot of nines, if a lot of nines keep popping out, the nine of swords, the nine of cups, the nine of this, the nine of that, or in my oracle cards, there's nines all over the place. Of course, who owns nine? Mofetti Fun Oya.

SPEAKER_00: 39:24

Got you.

SPEAKER_03: 39:25

So I gotta speak to all yeah. I got all yeah crowns in my head. That would be irresponsible and stupid if I didn't. And so I'm just saying that, and I'm not mad at anyone, but it just can be frustrating. I'm a priest of Ultra that I read tarot cards, I read oracle cards, I read numbers. But my numbers are the same numbers as and the meanings, very similar, I would say, to what the numbers mean and all do. And because I have certain numbers in my etha, in my life reading, I am able to and I have license to speak on those things because I have ultra. You know what I'm saying? And so a person that does not have ultra may not have license to speak how I speak about those numbers because they do not know Odoo how I know Odoo. And I'm not saying I know everything about Odoo. I'm not saying I know everything about the numbers, but you know, like Lloyd Strahorn, you know, much credit to him. He's a numerologist or whatever. You know, he reads the cards how he reads the cards, that's great. But his understanding of numbers, like the number five in traditional tarot, everyone says it means change. Yeah, that's great. When I see five, I see something totally different.

SPEAKER_00: 40:53

What do you see?

SPEAKER_03: 40:55

Well, for me, the number five represents uh, you know, um, that there's a uh guiding spirit, there's a hittana that walks with someone. There's this, you know, a diviner. They have someone that, you know, uh walks with them. Also, too, they have to watch for things that, you know, involve their blood. Okay. They have to watch getting tattoos, they got to watch getting needles, you know, um, they got to watch walking barefoot because they could get stuck in their foot, cut in their foot, you know, um, you know, that spirituality runs in their veins, you know what I'm saying, runs in their family. You know, um, there's so many things um um that I understand that someone else interprets differently. And I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm just saying because I'm a priest of Ultra and I have knowledge of Odoo, and I don't know everything, like I said. I'm humble before Risha and Ewum. I have to interpret the numbers how I learn them.

SPEAKER_00: 41:51

Yeah, that's respect right there. I respect that.

SPEAKER_03: 41:54

And a lot of times I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, a lot of times the people that read with me, when they go, when I send them to Ifa, to the Baba Lao, and when I send them to a Santero or Obau or Ite, whatever, to go get a D Lagoon reading, a shell reading. Don't you know that the readings are the same?

SPEAKER_00: 42:16

Oh go ahead, right? Pop your pop your ish, let them know.

SPEAKER_03: 42:21

Okay, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00: 42:23

Go ahead, let them know. She's flexing on y'all out here. I'm just saying, she you know your stuff, and being that we were talking about, like, you know, you spoke about your spirit of oh yeah, right, yeah. Can Tarot helped um decode the dual nature of Obatala in readings involving purity and judgment?

SPEAKER_03: 42:46

I I feel like with you know, um, in using the tarot cards, um it helps to prompt a conversation, it helps to stimulate thought. Um and with that, that is stimulating your your um your consciousness. Moffeti Funobatala, he owns everyone's head, he created everyone's head on this planet. And so that head is used to think. That's used, it's it represents intellect. Okay, and the cards can stimulate that conversation to make moves, to present people with different perspectives on things that maybe they didn't see before because life was lifing, because they're stressed out, or because they had a limited perspective on viewing something. And so ma fetifun obatala, mafetifun bobo orisha m bobo egum. They are all incorporated in this, you know, um spiritual space. Okay, and um there's bits and pieces, there's essences of the orishas, you know, in the cards. Okay, but some people again don't understand the orishas. So for them, it would be a totally different um interpretation. Can you just hold just just a second? My battery is running low on the phone, so I have to get the charger.

SPEAKER_00: 44:09

No problem, no problem. Okay, all right. Peace, peace, peace to the chat, peace to new Black Panther um party. I appreciate your question, brother. Peace to our listeners. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. Check out our merch on the website. We have plenty of things in the works. It's been a while. I missed y'all. Mike is here, you know what I'm saying? So again, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe, ask questions, don't be afraid, don't be shy. We all, you know, adults here. Just keep it respectful.

SPEAKER_03: 44:48

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 44:49

No, it's all right. He's good, he's good.

SPEAKER_03: 44:53

Okay. That's better.

SPEAKER_00: 45:00

So is there a particular way to have the spread layout when dealing with a particular um orisha you're working with during her during a reading?

SPEAKER_03: 45:10

Um, well, for me, it's just, you know, I say prayers for the person's, you know, um, spirit team, their cordon is spirit of the wild, their quadro is spirit of the spiritual cord. Um, and then, you know, after the prayers are said, you know, um I tap the deck and as I'm shuffling the cards, the cards start flying out. And so, you know, usually I read according to time. So people can, you know, purchase 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, or an hour. And so I read, you know, as the cards fly out. And so I may read like, you know, maybe five to 10 cards per deck. Um, and then that stimulates the conversation. I may just get through one deck with the person, depending on the nature of the cards, the meaning of the cards.

SPEAKER_00: 45:59

Got you. All right. So we got like, you know, a good 10 minutes left. So crack. I want I wanna I want to try. I want to, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna do one on air.

SPEAKER_03: 46:09

Are you ready?

SPEAKER_00: 46:10

I'm ready. You know what I'm saying? I could text you my name. You know what I'm saying? Let me see. I could I wanna I wanna I wanna let me see what happens, let you know I can text you the name and all that. See, people, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02: 46:36

Your brain goes ready to go.

SPEAKER_03: 46:40

Okay, I'm trying to situate this phone here so it doesn't tip because it's in the process of charging. Here we go. All right, so let's see what's happening here.

SPEAKER_00: 47:02

I don't mean to renegade online. Also, people gonna be like, what the hell are you doing online? Mind your business. I'm trying something. As I say, you gotta show improved. Let's see what's going on.

SPEAKER_02: 47:26

Okay, so let's see.

SPEAKER_03: 47:37

Okay. So first of all, you know, they are leading by saying that um, you know, your spirit team is saying that, you know, it's very important for you to investigate more deeply your family history, your family lineage. Have you ever gotten a DNA test?

SPEAKER_00: 47:57

Oh, yeah, I did. I did.

SPEAKER_03: 47:59

Okay, and so there's something there that um either you're not acknowledging or that these particular spirits, you know, want more attention. This is what they're saying.

SPEAKER_00: 48:10

I think you know, I did that years ago, right? It's funny that you said that when I saw my DNA, because I know everybody on earth is mixed, I was like, Well, I'm I'm two percent French given uh they were in Haiti, one percent Irish, and three percent Portuguese, and the rest are you know one percent Italian, and others are um West African nations. I was like, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03: 48:35

So we have to figure out, you know, out of those ones that you know the Portuguese, the um you said Italian, French, Irish and French, yeah. Irish and French. That I'm not sure if you have something set up for those egg one or those ancestors, do you?

SPEAKER_00: 48:57

I got for my ancestors, but you know, I think because I politicize everything, I'm like, man, because of the circumstances, how's you know I came about with my family, maybe through you know, force forcible entry upon my family lineage. I'm like, nah, I honor my North Africans.

SPEAKER_03: 49:16

No, I get it. A lot of them were colonizers, so it's really hard to come to terms with that. Like, I mean, like, come on, you know, without sugarcoating things, they were colonizers, most of them.

SPEAKER_01: 49:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 49:29

And so it's like, how do you come to terms with that? And that, you know, you would benefit from you know, when you get a more extensive reading to determine, you know, if it is beneficial for you to put something up that represents them at your, you know, your ancestor altar or your spiritual uh at Boboda, your spiritual space.

SPEAKER_00: 49:49

Yeah, but I I know also um when I when I did deeper when I'm part Bantu tribe, the Bantu people, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 49:57

And do you have elements? You have like like a mask or something to represent the Bantu?

SPEAKER_00: 50:03

Yeah, I do. It's funny. Dang, I didn't know that I I got one in here. But I got my my DNA right here, like you know, um Benin Togo, Senegal, Nigeria, East Coast, Northern Italy, Portugal, uh, you know, Cameroon, France, Ireland. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_03: 50:31

I know for a fact you don't have anything on your spiritual altar that represents Ireland.

SPEAKER_00: 50:37

No, just I knew, but no, I don't, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 50:43

So, you know, as much as you know some of them, you know, participated in some nefarious activities against you know, people of color, you know, some did not, and some walk with you, and you know, they may help you in some way, so they may need light and elevation. Um, on a side note, um, it's spirit spirit is saying huh? A box of lucky charms, a box of lucky charms, yep. A shamrock. So if that's how you want to honor them, go ahead. Um spirit is saying that you either traveled um to go somewhere or you are gonna be traveling, okay? Or there's a thought or consideration about moving or relocating, okay? Just keep in mind the reading can cover the recent past, what's happening now, or in the near future. Um, is that the case, or you're not thinking about that right now?

SPEAKER_00: 51:42

Yeah, yeah. You have a point with that.

SPEAKER_03: 51:45

So, you know, they're not saying it's happening now, but they're saying it's gonna be either travel by land or sea, and it's talking about either moving or vacationing, some kind of movement or relocation somewhere, okay? Um, they're saying that you know, money blessings are coming your way. So um you got some you got some knots in your pocket. You got some you they say your pockets are deep. So I don't know if you just came across some money, but if you haven't, they're saying money is coming for you. Hello? Hard work, hard work, yes. So that's always a good card, but you know, at the same time, you know, um you just want to make sure that you protect your, you know, your um your finances from losses, you know. Um, just make sure you stay on top of your spiritual cleaning and you direct your, you know, your prayers and your energy towards um, you know, making money.

SPEAKER_02: 52:43

Can you hear me? I don't know, there was some delay. Hello? Hello.

SPEAKER_00: 53:33

Can you see me now?

SPEAKER_03: 53:35

Yeah, I see you now. I don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_00: 53:37

I'm trying the energy was too crazy. Not continue. So you talk about that money, they're like, ah, chill out, don't talk about that.

SPEAKER_03: 53:44

Exactly. So that you know Yeah, so um, but on the other note, um, it's very important at this time for you to wear a lot of white, wear as much white as possible. They're saying that you're super intellectual, you're you know, you're very much in your head a lot. Um, and it's important for you to rise with the sun. You should be up right before the sunrise and you should be facing the east and making prayer and acknowledgement to the divine in that direction and just saying thank you for everything. Um, you know, spirit is also talking about uh it's very important that you um uh you know wear a lot of white, wear as much white as possible. Um and uh, you know, they're saying that you uh, you know, you came into this world to govern and not be governed. So with that, you came in this world to be a boss.

SPEAKER_00: 54:39

I know I'm I'm rebellious.

SPEAKER_03: 54:41

Yes, and they're saying you will be infamous, famous or infamous, you decide.

SPEAKER_02: 54:50

Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03: 55:08

Yeah, so they'll they're saying that you'll be either famous or infamous, you decide.

SPEAKER_02: 55:19

Hello, sorry about that. Hello? Hi.

SPEAKER_00: 55:24

Yeah, my bad about that. I say energy. They don't want me read being read in public.

SPEAKER_03: 55:28

Yes, that's what it is. But the the the you know, the big thing is is that you're you know, you are born to be great um and to pursue you continue to pursue your dreams, you know. Um, you definitely have light, um, the light with you, um, and just continue to thrive.

SPEAKER_00: 55:46

Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. Oh, I damn, I appreciate that. And apologies by all this. This never happened before like this online, but you know, stuff like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 55:58

Yeah, you know how the spirits work.

SPEAKER_00: 56:01

Very guarded, very guarded. Now I appreciate that. You were on point. You were on point.

SPEAKER_03: 56:06

Thank you. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I only pulled a couple of cards, but like the readings are so in depth. So um, you know, if you were interested, you can hit me um via DM.

SPEAKER_00: 56:18

Tell me where to find you.

SPEAKER_03: 56:19

Tell people to find you on IG, it's Ayabas Wind. Um, you can you know put in a request and um DM me and just say, you know, where you um heard heard about me, and I will um, you know, um accept your request, your follow request. Um, and then you can email me at ayabas a y a b-as win w y n d 999 at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_00: 56:45

Thank you, thank you. And that was so dope right there. Salute to you, thank you and sister mother soldier. You know what I'm saying? We appreciate you for coming out, people. Check her out, you know, see yourself, she's on point. And don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe, super chat, check out our website. This is your brother Mikey Fever. I'll love to see you guys again. Peace to our yabbas for coming out, peace, and then we out one, we out now.