The Science of Balance: Hypnotherapy and CBT to Control Thoughts & Emotions

Ready to trade chaos for clarity? We sit down with Noble Cyriz EL to demystify hypnotherapy, connect it with CBT, and show how focused relaxation can help reshape stubborn habits, calm anxiety, and strengthen emotional control. No pendulums, no parlor tricks—just clear methods that blend physiology, psychology, and language to create change that lasts.

We start with what trance really is: a normal, everyday state you’ve already experienced while driving or getting lost in a film. From there, we unpack how clinicians guide you into deep relaxation—alpha and theta brain states—so your attention widens and helpful suggestions land. Cyriz walks us through guided imagery and fascination techniques, how to phrase suggestions that stick, and why ethics and safety come first, including when to refer out for primary mental health care or grief counseling.

Then we tie it to CBT. Using the ABC model—activating event, belief, consequence—we map how triggers form, why childhood snapshots still drive reactions, and how reframing beliefs during trance rehearses a better response. We dig into meditation as self-hypnosis, turning stillness into a directed practice with vivid scenes, steady breathing, and present-tense language. Cyriz shares how archetypes like Anubis can act as motivational guides, why athletes use anchors to return to grit on command, and how to measure progress in real life: fewer spirals, faster recovery, and choices that match your goals.

If you’re curious about breaking patterns like anger spikes, emotional eating, or constant worry—and want tools that feel human, practical, and grounded—this conversation delivers. Follow Noble Cyriz EL on Instagram at official CYRIZIG and on Facebook under Noble Cyriz EL. If the show resonates, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find these tools and build their balance.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening, Mission, And CTA
• 2:10 Guest Intro And Background
• 4:00 Discovering Hypnotherapy Through Joe Dispenza
• 7:10 Inside HMI And The Hypnosis Field
• 9:20 Debunking Stage Hypnosis Myths
• 12:00 What Trance Feels Like And How It Works
• 15:20 Safety, Ethics, And Mental Health Boundaries
• 18:20 Techniques: Guided Imagery And Fascination
• 22:00 Conscious, Subconscious, And Brain Waves
• 26:00 Balance Defined: From Anxiety To Order
• 28:20 CBT’s ABC Model And Triggers
• 32:30 Grief, Referrals, And Scope Of Practice
• 36:00 Hypnosis vs CBT And Using Both
• 39:20 Deep Relaxation And Suggestibility
• 43:00 Is Hypnosis “Real” Science
• 46:00 Meditation As Self‑Hypnosis
• 50:00 Duration, Focus, And Creative Planning
• 54:00 Archetypes As Guides: Walking With Anubis

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:12

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Ron Brown, LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, aka Soul Brother Number One, Reporting for Duty. Today, you got to do the knowledge. You're going to be hearing me say that a lot. Do the knowledge. Do the knowledge. That's going to be my new, my new thing because I'm about to launch a fitness page called Ron Brown LMT 2.0. And I'm going to tell you before the exercise, do the knowledge. So get used to get used to that. We got the brother Noble Cyrus L in the building today. We're talking about the balance, uh, the science of balance, hypnotherapy, and CBT to control thoughts and emotions. Before we go into this podcast, I gotta throw the commercial up just to uh remind you guys like, comment, share, subscribe, super chats, donations, we need it all. We're trying to get into a studio and stay in that studio and also do some lives like this as well. But here's a commercial.

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SPEAKER_04: 2:07

Yo, yo, yo, yo. We are back. We are back. Thank you guys for coming out this evening to view us and brothers Noble Cyrus L. We were supposed to do this podcast a long time ago. It just never happened. But, you know, we're here. You made it. Welcome to the NYP Talk Show. Glad to have you. I learned some some cool things about you early in, uh early before the podcast. I'm comfortable with you now, knowing that you you came up around where my grandparents had the house and all of that stuff, you know, and you came to New York and all of that. So that's peace, man. Uh glad to have you here. Um before we go into the podcast, you know, I want people to get a brief history about who you are, what you do, and uh, you know, let's start off from the beginning. So, where are you from, brother? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 3:02

So, uh, what it is, what it was, what it do, everybody. It's your boy, Uncle Cyrus, known as Brother Cyrus L. Um, I'm from the DMV area, I'm from Maryland, uh, Cap Heights, uh, via Landover, around the southeast area. Um, still here residing in Maryland, uh, northern the mountains in the Hagertown area. And um, yeah, I lived all over. I be all over. I come to NY to do getting my uh fields of entertainment and with my people and all on the label, Lost Boy, Shout Out Cheeks, uh Kula Rula and everybody. And um, yeah, so I've been in this hypnotherapy, CBT, cognitive behavior therapy journey for about nine, ten years now, good and strong. And uh I've dealt in a lot of fields like Howard University Hospital and the trauma unit, uh, being a violence intervention specialist, and then being a behavior tech at uh at Kish's um behavior uh housing, because they housed men and they housed women in uh different locations. And um from there, so right, funny, because we mentioned it a little bit, so when I was here doing my studies, and like uh I was trying to finish making building a video game and stuff, right? Dr. Joe Despenser came on my YouTube. So I heard him say that if our thoughts alone could make us sick and hurt us, cut our thoughts alone, heal us, and he was like, and it's absolutely true. So I went down that dive and I actually go to the school that Dr. Joe Dispenza went to. That's where I go. I go to HMI. So um, yeah, I get my uh master's uh hypnotists in a couple of weeks. So still going through my journey, and um, and here we are, and I appreciate being welcome by NYP Talk Show. No doubt, brother.

SPEAKER_04: 5:21

Now, check this out. So now you go, you hear now Joe Despenser. I was into Joe Despenser heavy and uh probably about two years ago, right? Now, I'm reading all this stuff, right? And it was just changing my mind around a little bit, right? And then all of a sudden, right, I just got a good deal with the company. Like, you know, you know, he talks about you know, stepping into a new person, yeah, right, and so I was like, I was doing that, right? I was like going through that, and I just withdraw things to me, and this and I landed a great deal with this company, and man, that was two years ago, and it and it it really changed my life, and then you know what I did? What happened? I put the Joe Dispenser stuff down. I I I got what I needed, and I can't stop. You know what I mean? But I gotta go back, I gotta go back, I gotta go back. But now you went to you went to his uh school. What was that like?

SPEAKER_01: 6:34

Oh, if you could show all the information one has in their mind, I gotta go through the file cabinets and find everything because I learned so many words, so many new terminologies, so many things that be going on with the mind and in the body together, like mind-body psychology, that I was not really sharp and aware of, that it is crazy. It geeks me out, you know. Being in this school and classroom of 50 plus people, all types of walks of life, uh, with different medical or behavior fields in this school, for me, it's a journey. Like, I'm I don't regret it. I love every minute of it, you know what I mean? Uh uh, yeah, it's a lot of helpful tips, techniques, um, the legalities, the ethics of how all of this works, because we are dealing with people's minds and stuff, who tend to take so much appreciation. I had taken so much appreciation because I get to see and overstand and understand what's going on in a much broader uh uh viewpoint, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 8:06

Okay, okay. So this wasn't a school that he created, it was a school that he went to.

SPEAKER_01: 8:12

Yes, the school was uh founded by John Capis and his brothers in like the 50s. Um 57th year this year, and um John Cappis actually got the board, like the Fed board and stuff to put the definition of what a hypnotist and a hypnotherapist is. Yeah, big thing with all the numbers and everything, the coding for it. So this is uh is serious, you know. We're not psychologists, but even psychologists use hypnosis, uh dentists can use hypnosis, hospitals use hypnosis, we are just a whole school and interns and students and graduates and masters and clinical hypnotherapists all on our own. And that's you know, now when you go back and you listen to Dispenser, you'll be able to see what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 9:20

Okay, now so hip, so when you think of hypnotism, right? If it you know coming up in the 80s and 90s, you saw these uh your television programs where they put like uh this thing up and they swing right here, like this pendulum and a clock, the paper, and then you following this thing, and then all of a sudden, now it's like a squirrel, and now you like ooh, right? So this is this is obviously like commercialism and and and and like nonsense, right? So how what is the process? What happens with hypnosis, you know, and also I've uh I've seen things on online where someone goes something like this, snap, and then someone goes out. So what is it? Like what's the process? How do you hypnotize people?

SPEAKER_01: 10:09

Man, the receptiveness that one can be uh the receptiveness one can be susceptible to. Um, so I'll just dispel that myth real quick, right? What you were describing about with the pendulum and the watch, that is stage hypnosis, that is entertainment. But now, depending on that person, right, and a another individual's focus when they're focused and open to a trance-like state, it's you're you're being in a state of hypnosis, you're hypnotized, and you don't even know it. If you've ever been driving, if you missed that exit because you were somewhere else, but your body is still going, no one else going, you were in a trance, you were hypnotized. If you're ever watching a movie and you zoned out, you're in it, you can feel certain things that's going on, that's a physiological change, and you're hypnotized. So, in real processes, we have to remember that hypnotherapy is a vocational or avocational uh a junk and help for someone in a deep relaxation state. And when you get in these deep relaxation states like theta, like right before you go to sleep, and you start, whoo, you daydreaming, you're in that trance. So for us as hypnotherapists, our objective, as the job entails, is to get to put you in this relaxed state and help you get relaxed and go down and calm down and relax the mind. And we have different modalities to get you there, actually. It's crazy how many there are. And um, yeah, that's actually how you put someone in. It is different scripts, it's different wordings, and you have to be careful with the words you say because people are very receptive into taking those suggestions and that information when you start to say a thing.

SPEAKER_04: 12:28

So now let's say with that being said, would this cause um uh mental uh path, you know, uh mental pathologies like um uh uh uh let's say like uh schizophrenia, or you know, if you say like if they're open and receptive and you you give them a word or you say something, could are they that sensitive and receptive to where it could cause schizophrenia?

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

Now, in the in the matters of someone who would be schizophrenic or have like high um DSM or mental disorders, is is first that they deal with their mental health provider. First, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 13:18

Well, well, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I don't want to cut you off. Sorry. What I'm saying is being that you know, when you hypnotize people, right? You're saying that they're now open and receptive, right? Yeah. Now, when they're that open and receptive, you said you have to then at that point use your words correctly. At that point, am I right? Right now, let's say if you don't use the words correctly, do they um are they in jeopardy? Like their mental health is in jeopardy.

SPEAKER_01: 13:48

Well, it could potentially hurt them when you are not careful, and that's not our job to do. So um, that's why I would say it that way. So I just wanted to uh give that clarity because when we we when we said the word, I had to have a referral from your psychologist and people's first to see if I can work with you, then it's okay. And but then, regardless, if I am working with you, yes, that's why you need to be careful and know what you're saying to people because you don't want to hurt them, you want to say certain things and they bring up old memories, trigger them, and now they're upsetting and they're fidgeting, you know, and that's that's not intended, right?

SPEAKER_04: 14:31

Right. So now uh the the different types of techniques for hypnosis. Can you if if you can, if you can, it's okay, but if you can't, can you give me any you know, uh let's say four or four apologies, it's okay. Any any examples?

SPEAKER_01: 14:52

Um, yeah, one that I love to do that I can do uh for my guided imagery is what it's called. Uh I take you on a journey walk. So I get you in a like a meditative stance, like you would uh you don't have to do it now because I don't know your um E and P levels, I don't want you to go to sleep, but like I would have them sit up, relax, sit back, listen to my words, and then I take them on a journey. If I can get you to close your eyes, and if you can visualize, um if not, it's okay, but if you could visualize, like see pictures or make movies with your third eye, yeah, it's so much more of a trip, right? I say, and I walk you through what you're seeing, and then I'm guiding, and then I let you um start to create this world, but I give you certain words to trigger certain things to get you into this relaxed state and start releasing tension. And the more that I can get you in this calm state, and it's things that we're looking for in the in the body and stuff like that, uh, to let us know that you're not so much consciously aware, you get opening your subconscious that the hypnosis is working. So it was one called guided imagery. We walk through, then they have a thing called fascination. So you've probably seen this before, where um they'll tell you to look above your eyes at a point in a ceiling, and I would tell you to just stay there and look there, and even though you're hearing my voice is going on, you will start to blink. And then it's okay if you blink because your eyes are gonna start getting heavier as you blink. But now, as you're blinking, you can start to notice things going on. Your mouth is gonna get dry, you want to swallow. Um, if you drift off and so happen to go off, it's okay, just come back. But once I start giving these certain things and your body relaxes, depending on your suggestibility, is how quicker you will go into a hypnotic state, and sometimes what you see on TV when the people just yeah, that can happen. That's called a synambulist. It's called a s and they're very much easier in the third eye realm.

SPEAKER_04: 17:32

It's called a synambulus. Okay, now now if we're talking about states of consciousness, you have uh from for that from what I learned. Um you have uh the conscious mind and the unconscious mind, or what people come sometimes call the subconscious mind, but I also learned from the five percent nation you got the conscious mind, you have the uh subconscious mind, you have the uh magnetic conscious, you have the superconscious, and then the infinite conscious. I don't know if you ever heard that before, and if you know of anything that it sounds or aligns with those five states of consciousness.

SPEAKER_01: 18:16

Okay, well, I haven't heard of, I believe, two or three of those particularly, but what it sounds like to me is from your conscious mind, um, so in our model, theory of mind, right, we are always using about the 10, 12 percent of our mind, so uh consciously, but the 88% subconscious is working at the same time, right? So when we calm down from the consciousness into the subconscious, getting in the theta, boom, into a state of hypnosis, right? I call that the magic world, that's the third eye realm. So, and I know it can only enhe, and I say in heighten and enhance if you're starting to get the physiological changes, because now you're starting to feel all these emotions and these triggers by yourself with your own eye, you know, and everybody cannot do that, but everybody should be able to do that, if that makes sense. Yeah, so I haven't heard of two of them, but it sounds like it's getting there because our conscious is right now a temper focus, our subconscious is working about the recall, whatever word we remember from back then going, and then you got the hypnotic state where we're using the third eye, pineal gland, the thalus, and all.

SPEAKER_04: 19:46

Okay, okay. So now um do this third eye or this third, yeah. This do this third eye have anything to do with uh well, you did you just explained it. So if can you explain the uh uh what is it called? Uh beta, theta, the brain waves. Can you explain that?

SPEAKER_01: 20:10

Ah, okay, so right now alpha is what the heightened state, beta is the right now attentive focused state, theta is the the the woozy hypnotic state, and then you got the delta in your rim world, your rapid eye movement, and that's when we are uh body shut down, mind take over. And what's you know what's crazy is even in that deep sleep state, the rim, when we're awake, there's also a modality that you can use that's like rapid eye movement, and that's kind of like with the eye fascination when I say told you to look up and you keep looking up and you're getting your eye to work, and we start using your eye to work to open your third eye consciously. I just find that crazy how in the sleep world they use REM too. So that was all right, all right.

SPEAKER_02: 21:12

So now um find the area code, answer it.

SPEAKER_01: 21:15

Oh, that's crazy. My computer keep doing that now.

SPEAKER_04: 21:19

Um, when when you say balance, what does that actually mean scientifically, not spiritually? Like it's the balance, like a thought balance, or what does that mean to you?

SPEAKER_01: 21:33

To for me, it's to declutter. You know, a lot of people, when we get to a certain point where your life can have so much anxiety or anxiousness, you're moving in a ruck. You're like me, I was all over the place. I used to do a million things. My wife tells me to slow down, best friend, business partner tell me to slow down. I feel like I had to do so much, I could not declutter until that video with Joe Dispenser, and then I got into uh the meditation instructor stuff and hearing and up being the observer of my thoughts, so I can regulate my emotions, which will give me better behavior and attitudes, so I can have more balance. I'm not so much anxious, I need to figure out why I am anxious. What is the thing that makes me anxious? And so when I go into my third realm, my third eye, my meditative state, I can rewind and watch and observe and be like, uh, it might be this person because of this or that. Do it got something to do with me from childhood? Let me go all the way back here. It's not from that, it's more of that, and I don't like this. I need to learn how to throw you in the box, close the door, negative thoughts, move to the positive. And you know, that's also like selective choosing, just basically choosing a better path to be in. But scientifically, those are the order processes of cognitive behavior therapy. It's an activating event. What is the trigger? Then you have the belief and an emotion that's attached to that trigger, that thought, and then you have the consequence, which is the behavior. What are you doing now? What is the mood you upset for today? Which means you're about to be upset for three days, which means you you got a whole low attitude, a funky attitude all month, and it stems from that one thing. But if we learnt and knew these techniques, or saw somebody that knows these techniques with CBT and hypnosis, it would be a great thing because it we are here to help put you in that balance for yourself for a longevity, not just for a week from now. Take these tools, learn it, use it, and let's move forward.

SPEAKER_04: 24:09

Gotcha. I like how you said, you know, maybe that was something from my childhood, or like it would it be like things that trigger you, would it be not only necessary from your nest, not necessarily from your childhood, but also from just points in your just upbringing in general? Like it could be as a young adult, you know, just instances in your own history that can cause you to, you know, um, you know, have have ill thoughts about certain things.

SPEAKER_01: 24:42

And these, okay, so we're going into semantic memory a little bit, and that is uh back into childhood. So in our theory of mind, right, it goes from birth to eight, like eight, nine, ten, but eight, we got fight, flight, and freeze are prime uh primitive responses as a baby growing up. We learn, we either like it, we go to it, we run from it, or we freeze. But we are learning all these informations, and they're positive and negative knowns. So now, as we are going through these knowns, by eight, nine, ten, when that critical filter mind kicks in, which is when the kids be like, I can do it on my own. Why can't we do it on my own? Now we got logic, reason, willpower, and stuff, right? So all of those positive and negative knowns is with us, and plus we learn more as we grow. So, what happens is certain events take place, and our brain takes that snapshot, bing, bing, it takes that picture, and there's an emotion tied to it, depending on our event and our emotion is how strong that memory is gonna be. So, anything similar further on is now a trigger. Got you. Okay, you know, and it helps a lot if we can work backwards, which we do in a lot of different processes, so you can figure that out without hurting you and bringing up memories that's gonna throw you in distress.

SPEAKER_04: 26:18

Okay, now um what about triggers like um uh a loved one dying? That's that's really impactful. That can really change a person's brain, I believe. Now, how how how do you what would that be in your profession like if you had a uh a term for it?

SPEAKER_01: 26:43

Um past life regression and grieving, grieving, yeah, grieving regressions. You know, after you talk to uh we will probably I will probably refer you to make sure you can talk to um a medical first and then see how you go with like if there's any religious things going on, plus I will figure that out as well when I talk to you in the introduction, and um I personally am not in that uh lane that I simulated for the practice, so I will refer you to my other hypnotherapists, but we there is help for that in hypnotherapy. I'm just more the guided imagery one, and I've I've done uh funerals before, though. I've ushered out a funeral before, so I know how I get, so I would definitely refer out that first loved one, if they have to see somebody go see someone to talk to your religious or your hire, to then you know, come see us.

SPEAKER_04: 27:55

Okay, gotcha, got you now. Um uh but but but okay, so you gave it a name grieving, right? That that would be the correct name for that, right? So, uh, what is the core difference between hypnotherapy and CBT and how they approach thoughts and emotions?

SPEAKER_01: 28:14

Okay, so CBT is the practitioner, the psychology feel of being that practitioner of knowing those events. Hypnosis, I mean, you you you have to be induced through hypnotherapy, so that is the whole deep relaxation, the whole uh calm down process furthered out with the therapy. Now, for someone like me and all the others like me that is also aware of CBT, if you apply that with the hypnotic, you I say you get a lot of uh good results because the people open up to you. So when they get to open up to you and you know these structures, we together come up with the plan, you know, to help you learn how to uh calm yourself down, you know, because I'm not gonna be with you every day after the session until you come back, so we get the plan, the cognitive planning, uh, the different homeworks, because we call it homework too. You take home and practice with you. It might be dream venting, you know, after the hypnotic, uh, the hypnotism and uh hypnotherapy, and when you go home tonight and all that information starts coming back up, you have your uh notepad and your journal, and then you start doing your own CBT and your dream venting, finding out what's that activating event. How did that make you feel? Do you even believe that feeling? Are you sure? You believe that feeling? Let me see. Then you go into a trance, but ultimately, hypnosis, like you have to hypnotize someone to be in hypnosis, and that is the whole deep relaxation.

SPEAKER_04: 30:16

Now, when you talk about deep relaxation, are we talking you're relaxing the muscles and internal organs, brain and well, yeah, so internal organs and the muscles and things like that. Everything, everything, so complete and total relaxation, and what does that do exactly?

SPEAKER_01: 30:38

When we are in that mode, just like when we're about to go to sleep in that trance, just with that, your mind opens up, and that is where you're open to recesses, and that's where we give um the positive suggestions to help you reach your goal ultimately. Because without it, we understand that depending on the the client, you you know might be looking at me and and conversing with me and everything, but your mind might drift off, you might go somewhere, boom. You might go here and you might think about this and you might go to that. So, but when you're in a hypnotic trance state, you're open, you're susceptible to take suggestions, and it ultimately works out better in that way. So, you know, that's why, even with the doctors' psychologists, you know. I told my uncle Ro what I do and everything, and he went and told his doctor, because he was in the military, so he goes like see a doctor, doctor, right? And when he talked to me after that, he was like, Yes, my doctor said something ever happened to me, she's coming to find you because we know uh we can work together. And I was like, Bingo, I told you. Wow, so that so the doctor respected it, yes, because we all worked, it's so many studies, it's it's out there, it's not a broad thing. We are our own, you know, we're under, you know, as a psychologist and everything, we are hypnotherapists, psychologists use this hypnotherapy. We cannot use psychology unless you have that type of bachelor's and uh degree and everything. But if you have that, you just have both for all worlds. This I'm telling you, when I figured out that they use hypnosis with uh dentists, yeah, or and and birth, women who give birth, like a lot of them people be hypnotherapists or hypnotists.

SPEAKER_04: 32:49

Okay, now um next one is is there any real real uh real any real neuroscience behind hypnotherapy, or is it uh misunderstood?

SPEAKER_01: 33:04

I say it's misunderstood because they definitely have the disclaimers that um it's adjunctive, you know. So they they try to disregard all of the needle points because we're talking about the brain and all the way in there, and we're talking about visualization, and you can't touch it, right? But at the same time, you're all using it. So for me, I knew it was something bigger and better, and that's why I didn't mind going to the school because it's helping people, and y'all using it. So, you some people are saying at the same time, no, there's no this and that, because these people didn't say this and that, but there's a legal definition of it, you know, right helps people. There's reports you gotta look, you gotta look into it, you gotta look into it because it's actually crazy. I'm in a in the class course now. What is it? 267 cases and 47 uh ongoing something. My apologies, I'll share that one um with you later when I pull it up. But it's like some cases I was looking up, and I was like, that's crazy, and I can be that, and I'm going to be that because I already help, you know, the clients when I do the behavior health with the meditation and the guide, and I talk how to open with the third eye and everything. So it does it does ultimately help at the end of the day. I say it's misunderstood because if you don't know about the mind like that, it's just disregard.

SPEAKER_04: 34:43

So now let's talk about the meditation. What is the meditation like? Is it like, you know, uh, is there any kind of chanting involved, you know, um, like what is it like? Like, if you can give me an example.

SPEAKER_01: 34:58

So when you sit like in your lotus, which is uh when you sit down, matter not, cross your legs, it's your hands on your top of your knees, but like this, you can hum, you can chant, some people do, some people don't. You can use sound frequencies, music. Some people do, some people don't. Ultimately, it's putting yourself in a hypnotic trance without the therapy. You will be doing self-hypnosis and uh spirit walking, I call it yourself if you're practicing into that and you know what that is. So for me, like when I um circumnavigate and stuff, and I sit, and I might light my candles and cut on my Anubis trance music, and I just sit and I'm meditating, and I might hum a couple words here and there, but I know once my eyes stop fluttering, which is that hypnotial flutter, and it calms down and my third eye images start getting brighter. I know I'm in control mode now. So ultimately I'm doing self-hypnosis with my meditation. Controlling my third eye, creating my reality. I'm making my movie, I'm feeling better about it. I see this outcome, I feel this outcome, I believe this outcome. You know, I still get some physiological changes. Only difference is I have nobody on the outside counseling me, giving me therapy.

SPEAKER_04: 36:32

Now, I like the way that you're wording it because normally when you, for me anyway, when when I would meditate, it it doesn't have any direction. Right? It's just me sitting still, and I am just sitting still. Like you're saying, I can see the thought, I can, you know, I'm doing this, it's like active. But your mind is work, your mind is not working, but it's working at the same time almost.

SPEAKER_01: 37:00

The subconscious has taken over, and now you're in the higher realm, like what you were speaking of earlier. And now you have blossomed the third eye, the light is bright, and you're creating. We are creating.

SPEAKER_04: 37:13

Got you. Now, the suggestive wording that you give people, uh, what is it like? I mean, do you chant? I mean, do you just say it in the back of your mind like I am great, or what is that?

SPEAKER_01: 37:26

The back of my mind, that's what it is. If uh if those random negative words jump out, I tend to like like a computer swipe left and I throw it in a box. You know, I'm trying to plan uh precognition, right? Uh, and it's crazy how precognition is not scientific, but we can do it scientifically, you call it cognitive planning. Um, so I throw the negative words in the box, and I just try to stay focused and I try to make sure I don't hear too much audio and I just be. But once I can just be, be one, be stillness, and it starts coming. You when we are aware, and that vivid picture can start coming up, and you can hear your voice in the back, and you can start creating, you can just feel better, you get better, and depending on what you're thinking about, you can do some amazing things. Because I know I've done it, because you wasn't gonna tell me a couple years ago I'd be a hypnotherapist, and here we are.

SPEAKER_04: 38:34

Right now, um, as far as um the length of time of meditation, is that important? I would say so, right? Because it takes you a while to get to theta, right?

SPEAKER_01: 38:46

Now, some people, I I don't know, I ain't gone that long. Some people be like four hours.

SPEAKER_04: 38:58

I don't know. My brother Teren Hicks, man. My man, to peace peace to uh um why's why's the dome TV? Um, my brother Terrain Hicks. I don't know if anybody knows who Teren Hicks is. If you know who Teren Hicks is, put a one in the chat. If you don't know who Tarain Hicks is, you should look him up right now on YouTube, Teren Hicks. This brother right here used from what he told me, but he's like a guru in this world of like occult and uh and this brother meditation, he has meditation sessions and he teaches people how to meditate. And he said to me years ago, he would meditate for hours. Hours now, for me personally, it's like a waste of time. Why would you meditate for four hours? To me, it's like 20 minutes is cool. 30 minutes now.

SPEAKER_01: 39:56

I say he said 20, 30 minutes, and some people actually make it to there up to like the hour. So you're right. I'm with the hour with you because I'll zone out, but then I get bored in here and be like, all right, time to close the door, boom, I'm out. Um, but uh, I would say a lot of people is either embracing some history and some love, some memory somewhere, or they're building and they know they can do this. And let me tell you something, there are other gurus out here that do this stuff, and they are some very powerful people off that meditation because you're this is where the creation who made that mic. Uh, how long did it take for them to really really think it?

SPEAKER_04: 40:46

Yeah, ah, okay, okay, okay, I get you.

SPEAKER_01: 40:52

So, how far, how much further will we go without we forgetting where the true beauty first began? It all starts right here, right? So, if you can, whenever you're off kiltered and you're trying to finish this, like this trademark, where is this joint at? It took me like two days of really focusing and thinking in my own hypnotic state to be like, all right, I want to own something. How am I gonna do it? What do they do? And then I get in there and I can see myself writing it out, printing it out, drawing it out. I'm gonna go down here. I got this long, I'm gonna go here. I can really play it out, but I'm only giving about an hour.

SPEAKER_04: 41:37

I'm good on the four hours. I don't know, man. That could be a little less.

SPEAKER_01: 41:44

More power to y'all who do it though, right?

SPEAKER_04: 41:48

For real. We I wish Terrain was on this chat talking right now. Four hours enough to build uh the city in the background in one year. Absolute. Absolute. Now, um, let's go into uh so okay, I need to meditate. That's that's the that's the gist of right what I'm thinking right now. Something that I I don't know. It's like I try to meditate and I go, ah, I want to like bust out of my body or something.

SPEAKER_01: 42:15

Yeah, it takes a it takes a it's it's not easy, it takes you know your care factor, your intent, and if you can tell your other self, hey, pipe down, and is you might have to use um key power words, strong words to tell yourself, meditate, meditate, meditate. You might want to say, a la la la la you gotta do what you gotta do. You it might be easier with music if you find one of the right uh frequencies that resonates with you, not just mystical, that sounds good. You get goosebumps when you hear this, you're by yourself, you can zone out, and then you starting to imagine the Egyptian landscape first. And if you can do a landscape first, like in a in a bird-eye view, and then see if you can create a tree over here. Boop, see if you can make a pyramid over here, boop. I walk with Anubis a lot as well, you know what I'm saying? When I'm meditating, I'm the big dog with me.

SPEAKER_04: 43:33

Okay, okay. Now, um, why do some people okay? I already we already went over that. Um can uh hypnosis makes someone do something against their morals? Absolutely not, huh?

SPEAKER_01: 43:54

Absolutely not. I cannot make you cluck like a chicken, they can't make you do a backflip off the cliff, and I I can't do it. Is that's not um that's stage hypnosis, and this is why we dispel dispel the myth, you know, because the movies then almost killed it, you know what I'm saying? But that's what also driven people extra more into it because they see certain things and they know it's a real science behind it, and when you know linguistics, when you know words, um it could just be very powerful and impactful, you know. You gotta choose that wisely. I but I cannot make you turn into a Pokemon and sound like a Pikachu unless you want to. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04: 44:46

Now, um, can hypnotherapy break long-term habits like anger, emotional eating, and or uh, or anxiety?

SPEAKER_01: 44:56

Absolutely, absolutely. That's the primary most um uh vocational and vocational help we do because people with so much jitter. You have to think about it. More than likely, they already did go see their doctor and they come there for us because uh it's known that we gotta get you here. You know you came here to get here, so let's okay here. Let me find out what's what's going on. Let me dispel the myths and we get you here. You might have some body syndromes extra in here, so that aching pain in your shoulder. Let me ask you a question. You feel like you've been carrying the world on your shoulders? Yeah, for sure. Your shoulders actually hurt, right? Yeah, let's calm that down, let's calm you down, and let's see if I can open your third eye and if you can really envision with your mind's eye your muscles, and you can see that throbbing. Can you see it? Can you feel it? Now, do you think you can calm it down? Tell it to calm down. I wonder if you could tell it to calm down. And these physiological changes is crazy because it really worked. Even when I thought I would have to second guess it, it amuses me more and more and more and more.

SPEAKER_04: 46:25

Now, uh, what do you mean about uh uh uh uh what do you mean by walking with Anubis? Meaning like uh like um like in your imagination?

SPEAKER_01: 46:38

That's my spirit guide. I already have of a standpoint view of how Anubis is, how Cyrus Osiris is, right? So he has that assertive. I make him be a positive, assertive voice. So as I'm visualizing and I'm asking questions, and my mind is trying to just calculate and figure out, I've already programmed myself that he is gonna be like, but we are not gonna do that. You will not hurt yourself. We are gonna be better, we are gonna move on. You want the land, you're gonna research and you're gonna buy that land, you're gonna ask a question. It's called due diligence, and it helps me in my cognitive planning on my pre-cognition planning. Yeah, I use him, I just don't see uh transparent words that pop up in my mind and it goes away. I'm I'm an artist, very visual, so I control it. As a matter of fact, do you remember the old Friday the 13th movies? And it was one of them where the boy said, But Freddie, you're in my dream, and I control things here. Yeah, I've been thinking and doing stuff like that my whole life, and people thought I was weird for it. Come to find out there's a whole career based on this.

SPEAKER_04: 48:08

Yeah, so uh hold on. Is a human with the Anubis is a human with a dog head, uh uh divine God Allah. You gotta do the knowledge to what the brother's saying to really you gotta hear what he's saying. That's why I asked the question. So he basically you can correct me if I'm wrong. You're using the archetype to help you with motivating motivation, yes, and suggestive uh uh uh uh words to get you to do things, help you do things, yes. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 48:48

That's my visual guide. Some people call a spirit guide. You know, your higher, your divine guide, they say that as well. I know about it. Um, but yeah, so I use Anubis. Some like um most women, they use a princess or queen and a Cinderella type. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04: 49:09

Right, right, right, right, right. Which these these things I don't disregard at all because um it's like being that you know, I'm I'm I'm in the fitness industry and things like that, so it's you know, it's like um like uh like sure, you can go and lift the weight and pump the iron, right? But sometimes you need a pre-workout. That's how I'm looking at it. You need a pre-workout. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_01: 49:39

No, you got it. And when it comes to the sports and motivation, please believe, especially in California, probably more states. Hypnotherapists are there just like motivational, um motivational speakers, and they they get them in there and they need, you know, maybe their uh spirit was broken, right? Now they're down and they need to relax and they need to get the motivation back to reach their goal. So we put them in a state of hypnosis and I put you in a god of imagery. But after I walk you down the steps into that open football field that's all of yours, I need you to feel all of them goosebumps. Now you feel them goosebumps that I'm saying it, and that's your energy. So now every time you get those goosebumps, you're gonna feel that in your stomach too, and that's your gut instinct letting you know you still got it. So you better go back out there now. And every time you have doubt, you close that door, and when you get those goosebumps, you're gonna get that choler energy, and you're gonna be right back on the field scoring all the touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04: 50:45

Yes, brother, yes, yes. Preach, preach, preach, brother. Uh, this brother right here, uh, wise alchemy 13. Uh yo, are you always uh have you always been on this page, man? You need to stay on this page, talk to us, man. I like you in the chat, man. You know what's going on. I like you in the chat. Yes, using the behavior, characteristics, principles, and values of each myth or entity, a role model, a life coach. Right, exactly. There we go. Yes, sir. Right, yes, sir, right. I got it. Check, check, check. I'm loving this, man. This is this is so dope, man. This is super dope, man. Now, you now we gotta bring you back to hypnotize me right on camera. That'll that that'll be that'll be that'll be something. Now, I'm gonna go with this last question. How do you measure progress in hypnotherapy? What's the science? What's the science with that? Not uh, yeah, what's the science with that? How do you measure progress in hypnotherapy? As far as with the client, as far as with the client.

SPEAKER_01: 51:56

So if you can come in, sometimes we gotta tell people, uh, as I allude to, this is not the stage hypnotism, this is not uh magic wave it around, Mr. Hypnotherapist, make all my problems go away. That's not what it is. But my I successful progress is the fact that I know you you need me again, you might need more assistance again, you're coming back to help, and that ultimately also shows me that you're trying to get the help so I can help you because you're not just paying sessions for like for free, nobody's doing that. And for me, understanding that this can go as far as I can I can take it as long as people are coming to me with issues, um where I can help them, you know, is gonna be great. And then for them, they just talk about it and they spread it out more. It's a man, it'd be crazy how many people was in my class, how many graduates there are. You see what Dr. Joe Dispensers do. That's crazy. And sometimes when I bring them up in in class, they just get to talk. Oh, when he was here, I'm walking down the hallway. And I'm just like, man, that's crazy because I'm about to walk down that hallway. And that progress started nine, ten years ago. And I told my wife, I bet you I'd be a therapist, I bet you I'll be, I'm gonna prove it to you, and I'm gonna prove how much this mind magic well real work actually helps. And it does. My kids see it, that's great progress for for myself, my family see it, my cut, my customers and my tattoo shops see it everywhere where I go. Um and for the clients, people that I'm always counseling somebody, like all the time. This is like what I do. I'm Uncle Cyrus, by the way. Hi, y'all.

SPEAKER_04: 54:08

Yo, on that note, thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate this build. This was a great build. Man, this is to me, this is one of the best builds I had on this platform in two years. This is definitely going down the history because it's just dealing with the mind in general and it's breaking down hypnotherapy like in like a science, you know what I'm saying? So it's not no spookism and uh anything like that, just like how you broke down Anubis. Man, that that was that was that was peace right there. That was peace right there. Um, peace to uh wise alchemy uh my 13. I really appreciate you. All the people on my chat. Thank you for joining us this evening. And we are out of here. Oh, before we go, tell you know, give people your social medias and where to find you.

SPEAKER_01: 54:58

Oh, absolute. Um, you can go on Instagram, official Cyrus I G. That's official C Y R I Z I G. Or on Facebook, you can put in as you see in the video, tag uh noble siris L and you'll find my page.

SPEAKER_04: 55:17

Got you, got you. On that note, we are out of here. We got a podcast in about five minutes. See y'all on the next one, Origins of Masonry with Jelani Bape.

SPEAKER_00: 55:30

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