Clock of Destiny, Free Masonry, Shriners and Misconceptions

Rumors are loud; receipts are louder. We sat down with Jelani Bey to clear long-circulating claims about documents, dues, and disputes, then moved into the work that actually matters: building institutions that protect people, preserve knowledge, and create a future worth inheriting. No theatrics—names, dates, timestamps, and why this all ties back to autonomy.

We walk through the origins of debates around the Ten Lessons, what happened in Utica, and how mediation unfolded when copyrights and phone numbers became flashpoints. From there, we go deep on legitimacy in Freemasonry: National Compact York Rite history, the role of Prince Hall, the meaning of “recognized,” and why external approval can’t overwrite historical continuity. If you’ve ever asked who gets to decide what’s “regular,” this conversation gives you the context and the counterpoints.

Most importantly, we talk solutions. How do religious corporations, ministries of education, and ministries of health create lawful frameworks for schools, apprenticeships, and holistic care? What does a chain of authority look like when it works? How do bylaws, affidavits, and archives shift a community from personalities to policy? The answer isn’t online beef—it’s governance, receipts, and education. We outline practical steps for chapters to collaborate without surrendering identity, and we set the table for future episodes focused on Masonry and Moorish Science as living systems for character and service.

If you value clear thinking over clout chasing, you’ll find a blueprint here: codify roles, teach the next cohort, and keep your house documented and honest. Tap play, share with someone who needs clarity, and leave a review with the one question you want us to tackle next. Subscribe to stay with us as we build.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening And Mission Of NYP
• 1:31 Guest Intro And Credentials
• 2:25 Setting The Record Straight On Disputes
• 5:10 Utica Event And Document Claims
• 9:40 Ten Lessons And Circle Of Mothers
• 13:15 Great Seal Roles And Investigations
• 17:50 Mediation At Starbucks And Copyrights
• 22:10 Money Allegations And Rebuttals
• 27:30 Canaan Land, Dues, And Franchise
• 33:10 Refocusing On Nation Building
• 36:50 Renegade Moors And Governance
• 41:20 Masonry Lineage And Legitimacy
• 47:00 York Rite, Prince Hall, And Recognition
• 52:10 Culture War, History, And Receipts
• 57:30 Audience Questions And Clarifications
• 1:02:00 Education, Corporations, And Autonomy
• 1:06:30 Closing, Next Steps, And Support

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:10

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Ron Bruh LMT, the People's Fitness Professional. I've just got the bombs today. I gotta upload some news sounds. You know, uh, I don't have any, I don't have any news sounds. I need some news sounds like can't clap. I had all that stuff in the beginning. Anyway, I know what y'all y'all came here to see Brother Jelani Bay. Uh before we go into this build, let's run a commercial.

SPEAKER_00: 0:36

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SPEAKER_01: 1:24

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SPEAKER_02: 1:58

What is the G Grand Enemy Commander, uh the York Wright Masonry in Knight's Templar?

SPEAKER_01: 2:04

All right, all right. And uh you served in the Navy?

SPEAKER_02: 2:09

Oh, yeah, United States Navy. Gave him some gave him a little over six years.

SPEAKER_01: 2:14

Nice. Thank you for your service.

SPEAKER_02: 2:17

You're welcome, brother. I'm also a past master as well.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

Okay, so now before we go into the Masonry questions, uh, let's let's address some things. Um, you know, brother Nakeem Bey, I've been with the brother Nakeem Bey. He has some stuff to say underneath the comments. And uh he um, you know, I have them right here. And uh, you know, I just want to address those things. Before we address those things, I want you to, you know, let you know, let it be known uh that you meant no disrespect or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:59

Oh, I mean, you're absolutely correct, man. You know, with all due respects to Brother Nakeem Be, um I think the very first time we met each other was like 2005. He had a council of court thing he was doing at the same time I met Africa Bambata. Um, I was a member of the Great SEO, uh, and um also one of the founders of the League of Moorish and Indigenous Nations, you know, and I was promoting that at the time. I believe it was 2005. And um, I also met Hakeem Bei in person. You know, it was Hakeem Bei and Sharife who introduced me to what Moore Science was and caused me to join the movement. You know, I gotta give them that kudos and that props. But as far as Hakeem is concerned, um you know, we uh met on several occasions after that. Um and my my intentions when we talked about it last week was never like to target him or anything like that. You know, I don't remember what what the question was that led into me recalling different things, and that's the only thing I was doing was recalling certain things. So I'll say openly that if I meant if you took any offense to that, I apologize, but I'm not in the business of slandering anyone. You know, I'll tell you what I have experienced firsthand, and I'll tell you firsthand accounts from somebody else, and I will tell you who told me, you know, but as far as Doom is Bay is concerned, you know, he recapped what happened in Utica.

SPEAKER_01: 4:35

Well, before we before we go into that, brother, let me do this. Before I just want to say this. Okay, I'm no uh I'm no I'm not new to the movement, I've been around for a long time. I know Messiah, I know Jelani Bay, Messiah, Nakeem Bay. In fact, I threw me terrain and knowledge eternal from the five percent nation who was a part of the clock of destiny. We threw a unity uh rally. I think it was a it was like a unity rally, I would call it that. We threw a unity unity rally, nakeem Bay was there, Jelani Bay was there, Raz was there, Taj, um, and some oh uh um uh C. Ferguson ill from Temple Temple 21 was there. You know, some other Moors were there. This was 2007, 2008. That was a long time ago, right? So I'm just saying that to say I've been around for a while. I pretty much know everybody, I pretty much know Jelani's character. Nakeem, I and I know Hakeem. I know Hakeem Be as well. I know Hakeem Be as well. I don't know Nakeem Bay to be like being chased. That's the thing. When you said that though, that kind of threw me off because I don't know Nakeem Bey as to be somebody that's running from somebody. Uh uh, you know what I mean? So when you said that, that threw me off a little bit. I just want to say that, right? Now, as far as what he's saying in this in this thing, he said regarding Ariel upstate. Uh he said, I don't know if you remember that. Ariel upstate. You remember what you said? Yeah, but yeah, peace and blessings be upon him. Okay, that's a beautiful New York. Okay, he said another lie. Contact the brother from Syracuse, Raleem, and Khalid Bay. He said they were there. First of all, Dumas never issued charter charters or disposition. So that's what the brother Nakeem Be said. He said, uh, he gave me a written document and our photo, sister Ifa. That's a name, Ifa. The Newabian sister.

SPEAKER_02: 7:20

I believe so. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 7:22

I think that's her name. Uh said to everyone, this document is not photoshopped.

SPEAKER_02: 7:30

But that was a rumor that it was, you know. I mean, that was a rumor that it was. I never aspired to that rumor. I never, you know, said, Yeah, yeah, it was photoshopped because I wasn't there. I don't know. You know, I just know what Dumas Bay said to the group of great seal moors, and um, and I I've seen some reactions, you know, that allude to other things that were said personally with my own eyes. And um, you know, so Dumas' account, and as far as what happened in Utica, the Moab Tierra Cherokee Kiddawal Nation was supposed to be there. Um, our Empress, a newer Tierra L had a family issue, and we had to cancel the had to cancel the trip. Uh, shortly after the event was over with, she got a phone call. I, another Mufti, and um her sister Zafir, uh no, her niece, Zafira Ilbay, was there when we received a call about the business that happened in Utica. All right, so I was there when she got the message that it was um some disunity in Unica. Then when the great seal assigned me and our entourage to go to uh Cleveland, that's when Dumas Bay came in here looking like sharper than the Board of Education and sat down with us and told us his account of what went on and what his capabilities was. See what I mean? And we videotaped it, or the Akbar Bay videotaped it. So, and as far as the circles of mothers and sons, yes, that's correct. It had been communicated to us um by one of the brothers from the Clock of Destiny that some Gray Silmores had came and got the 10 lessons earlier, and they didn't feel like they treated that correctly. So we were just there to get information. I'm trying to remember the other brother that was with us, I think it was Akbar Bay, who had got some documents from him, but we were just there to verify the leadership of the clock of destiny, and brother Dumas Bay had verified that, and he told us what was going on with the picture, and that he told him it was alright to have do a clock of destiny in New York, but he never gave him permission to be over the entire clock. He said he didn't have that power to give that permission. That's my ear, my eyes to do is to us, it's not a rumor. I was there, so I'm getting it from doomest side. Now Keen can say his side, but I'm getting it from Doom's side. I was there, you know. So I'm I apologize if he didn't want that information out. You know, it was not my intention to try to belittle him or try to defamate his character, anything like that. Jelani Gray don't get down like that. I don't take pleasure in trying to destroy other people's reputation. Islam, Islam, Islam.

SPEAKER_01: 10:58

All right, so so you covered the document. You covered the document that is not photoshopped. Okay, and the 10 lessons and the concet tapes originated for the from the circle of mothers and sons. They don't call themselves the clock of destiny, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 11:20

Yeah, right. No, I never said that. It was brother um brother uh Daryl Thomas Bay who actually did the audio on those 10 lessons. They had 10 lessons in the book, and then 10 then the lessons on the cassette tape. Okay, brother Daryl Thomas Bay did those, and they did come from the circle of mothers and sons. See what I mean? Not the great seal, not the clock, but the the clock was giving you access to them. We got a copy of the 10 lessons from the clock. I don't think the circle of mothers and sons was in circulation then. Yeah, I don't know if they were still going, but we got them from the clock, you know what I'm saying? So there's no dispute about where they came from, you know. I got a hold of the ten lessons, I read them, I didn't get the cassettes, I read the ten lessons for myself. That's where we get Ben Bay Emmanuel Muali as Prince Hall. You know, that's taught in the 10 lessons. So I'm not sure what the controversy is with that, you know. That's when I first learned about Brother Shari is the circle of mothers and sons when he did his uh video, Moore's jurisprudence. You know, I heard that bad boy, and I was like, oh snap, I'm I'm I'm in. Where do I sign? Then shortly after, Hakeem Bay came out with the Moors, and I got into that thing. Boy, yo, I was drunk with you know, I was gung-ho. Point me the way. And then what happened was we were searching for a jurisdiction, you know, because we wanted to get a great seal down in South Carolina, and we went on a search without going too deep into it, and we couldn't find the right place. And I think I said in the last interview that um I went to New, I went to uh Pennsylvania to Philly with Isis Chiva Ill. Her mom had just passed away, and I helped I was helping, I was supposed to go to New York afterwards and help us certain some things out. We met Anna New Ill in Penn in Philly. Anna Nu il told us about a meeting in Brooklyn with the Great Seal, and that's where I met Kamal Bang, who had just been made the emir for the Great Seal. And he told us how he wanted to expand. You know, we each represented ourselves at that time. We represented the Moftier Cherokee Kiddawal Nation. And he then gave a delegation of authority for me to start a Great Seal and be the emir in South Carolina and ISIS in Georgia. That's it. And then from then I started getting promotions. After South Carolina, I was then promoted to the East Coast representative of the Great Seal National Association of Marsh Affairs, and that's when I was assigned different uh things, you know, uh investigating this brother in North Carolina and you know, investigating what um brother not what we thought not brother Nakeem Bey did with the 222-141 number that was very, very important to the clock in the Great Seal. Um we had received information that he changed the number. And um my first assignment was to go to Cleveland, Ohio. It was myself, Akbar Bay, Kamal Bay, and I'm trying to remember if there was another brother with us. Oh, is it was and it was shot Isa Sheba ill with us, and Dumas said his side. Then later on, we all met at the Starbucks. I just contacted Kamal Bey, and he verifies that Brother Sharif Bey was there with me, Nakeem, uh Salahuddin ill, and ISIS. So I'm not crazy. I matter of fact, outside of what's name, we were comparing Kung Fu forms, uh Tiger Crane versus our outer tiger, how similar it was. So that's how I remember it, recall it.

SPEAKER_01: 15:30

So I'm gonna be honest with you. I really don't want to bring Sharif Bey name up, but since we gone there, um, let's do it, right?

SPEAKER_02: 15:42

I and I my mouth getting the rolling man, about especially if it's truth, and I apologize about that.

SPEAKER_01: 15:48

It's all good. Um, so you met with Sharif Bey. This is because I guess this is why uh he's making mention of it or he's talking about it because you mentioned his name that you met him somewhere, this whole story.

SPEAKER_02: 16:10

Yeah, but and again, the same thing with Brother Sharif Bey. Like I said, man, he's the one that introduced me and made me aware of the Morse movement, him and brother Hakeem Bey. So I got the utmost respect for that brother. You know, I would never openly slander that brother's name or misrepresent his name or anything of that nature, you know. I'm I'm the type of person that I speak truth, man. If I don't experience it or I haven't researched it for myself, I don't I don't mention it. But when I call Sultan Kamal Bey uh a few minutes ago, just before the show, and he verified it. Well, the story's done now. I just hope he doesn't take offense to the truth.

SPEAKER_01: 16:57

But I'm not trying to complete that I never had why would he take offense to you meeting up with him at Starbucks and y'all having contact, maybe because I don't remember exactly what you said on the last podcast. Did you say you, Sharif, and somebody else approached Nakeem?

SPEAKER_02: 17:18

I don't understand how no, not at all. We all met at the Starbucks. We we contacted Nakeem. Nakeem said he'd be at the Starbuck at this particular time, and we all converged on the Starbuck at 125th and Lennox. Okay, you know, as the as the as the grant as the um East Coast Regional Commander for the Great Silver National Association of Morris Affairs, past Hultan Yusuf Rami Bey, and Grand Amir Kamal Bey assigned me to be there. My chain of command assigned me to be there at the Starbuck to mediate the situation. Okay, and I was pretty much asking Nakeem different questions about the copyrights. When he explained to me that he pretty much saved the clock of destiny copyrights, I was at I was at peace with it. Because once copyrights expire, anybody can get them. The Ku Klux Klan can can take over them doggone copyrights and now be over the clock of destiny publications. So what he did was take measures to keep the clock of destiny in the family. That's how I interpret it, and I was I was fine with that. He even said that the 222-141, it's not that it can't be used, you know, it's just now it's protected under another set of numbers, and I was cool with the extra explanation, yeah. You know, I don't know no, I don't know about anybody else.

SPEAKER_01: 18:55

Okay, so were you ever a member of the Great Seal?

SPEAKER_02: 19:02

The Great Seal National Association of Moorish Affairs?

SPEAKER_01: 19:07

Okay, absolutely. Now, there's two Great Seals, and and how long have you known Nakeem Bay?

SPEAKER_02: 19:16

Uh, I think we first met in 2004, 2005 at his event up there in um in New York. It was like a council of court event.

SPEAKER_01: 19:25

Okay, I personally saw you with my two eyes, you and Nakeem Bay in the same space when we did that event on 124th Street. No, 120 R at the panel, the panel discussion at the McSonic Lodge. That's exactly correct. Exactly. I was there. I threw the the whole the I threw the event. It was me, Terrain Hicks, and knowledge eternal, one of the gods from the 5% nation who was a part of the clock of destiny. We threw this event, Nakeem Bay was there. Jelani Bay was there. Everybody was basically who was somebody in the morning. Grand Governor Triple 21. Um, everybody was there. Yeah, that was and that was 2007, 2008. So around that time. So that was a long time ago, right? So you've known Nakeem, but I saw you guys together, not together, but in the same area. So you would have to know each other since that point, that point at least, right? Okay, so let's go to the next one. Uh Dumas Bay, who's doomed. You already spoke on Doom's Bay, right?

SPEAKER_02: 20:41

Doom's Bay was the inner entourage to uh a Charles Mosley Bay. That was like first generation for lack of a better term, disciple on the CM Bay. You see what I mean? And Curtis Bay was there, you know, and it's another sister there. We also met um some of the elders, you know, of the of the uh of the clock, you know, and um the bulk of the meet me the bulk of the meeting was in our hotel room, you know. So that that's where that is, man.

SPEAKER_01: 21:19

Okay, so anything other than that, I don't know what happened. I don't know how to how to go. I don't know, I don't know. But you addressed everything, right?

SPEAKER_02: 21:31

I I um what was the thing about masonry?

SPEAKER_01: 21:35

Yeah, let's go into that. Let's go into masonry now. So um, your masonry. Now you became a part of the lodge. What lodge did you become a part of? I think you already said all that, but let's let's go into that. You're like your historic history and masonry. Okay, in 1997, another another thing. Hold on, before we go into that, we're trying to clear the air here. Okay, people said a lot of things about you over the years, you said it, and I've heard some things about you as well, right? So, what do you think people's issue with you is?

SPEAKER_02: 22:19

What I believe is they hear slander from other people and then they spread it, not knowing me personally, you know, but they hear the dirt and they spread the dirt. Give you a prime example. Um in 2006, after the conference, I received a call from a gentleman um Ilihu Pleasant Bay, and he said that uh some people who I had nationalized because a person named Sakima had allegedly nationalized these people, but he was using sovereign citizens documents, and they called me in to look at them by the name um uh uh well, just cat name Malik Bay, uh is what his uh prenational descent name was, and he called me down there, I looked at the documents, and what I did for them is I did their paperwork over with the Great Seal paperwork. That's the delegation authority I had. So, and I gave them a$60 discount on what was prescribed to be for the paperwork, and um I got a I received a call from my good friend Um Laura Tafi from the Zulu Nation saying that um there was some information put out on the internet about me overcharging for paperwork. Well, he didn't say that at first. He says, Uh, do you have a uh do you have an internet? I said, I have access to an internet. And uh he said, Well, hold on, let me call you back. In the meantime, my grand sheep, my spirit bay, called me. Hey Jelani, I hear you making all the money down there. I'm like, no, sir, you know, I'm barely getting by down here. Who where you get that from? Well, uh, I'll call you back. So then a good friend of mine called me. Hey Jay, how you doing? You alright? Now my gears are turning. Like, what the heck's going on? Lord Taffy called me back and said, Hey man, your boy, your best boy drafted up the letter. Your grand chic signed the letter, and a sister put it on the internet. All these people, good friends of mine now, right? So I'm shocked. So when my grand sheik called back, we got into it. When uh my friend called back, we got into it. Grand Sheik said, Well, we're gonna put you on the trial this coming Saturday. I'm like, all right, give me the information. No, somebody's gonna pipe you in. Who piped me in? My best friend. He's gonna pipe me in and try to tell me, all right now, brother Jelani, calm down. There's gonna be people from all over the country on this call. Well, you know, I talk French to him and just told me, Look, just plug me in. I challenge the jurisdiction of the court, and then uh my grandchief said, Well, we got an eyewitness. Brother Malik Bay got on there and he says, I paid$1,200. I said, You paid$1,200 for what, Brother Malik? I paid twelve hundred dollars. I said, Wait a minute. You pay for you, your wife, your grown son, and your grown daughter. That's right, I paid twelve hundred dollars. No, sir. The way you're presenting is I pay, I asked you alone for twelve hundred dollars. But in reality, three times four is twelve. So I charge each one of your family members$300. Now the judge on that case was Azamine Bey from the Great Seal National Association of Morris Affairs, and when he spoke up, I everybody who spoke up, I tore into him. And then he said, No, no, no, brother Gelani, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, listen to me, listen to me. You're absolutely correct. I was at the meeting of the Great Seal where we voted to charge people$360 for regular situations and$180 for single mothers with children. As a matter of fact, Brother Gelani, you gave them a$60 discount. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take this case as a mistrial, case dismissed. But after that, Brother Leehu Blackbe still went around telling people I'm charging people twelve hundred dollars. You know, as as as late as what maybe four or five years ago, somebody tried to get me in this organization and they couldn't get me, so they call them on the phone and I I tow into them. You slandering my name, bro. See, so if anything, I'll give you a discount, I'll put you on the payment plan. You say you ain't got it. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm doing the labor. You know what I'm saying? Chapter chapter 31, verse 10 through 12 say, Hey, look, if you're somebody doing labor for you pay them, and in return, you don't overcharge them for the labor. So, brothers tell me I ain't got the money. Okay, brother, give me so much, so much down, and then pay on it. That's how I've always been, that's how I've always lost. See, but that's slander to this very day. People, oh, you're charging outlandish prices and this thing, that thing, and you know, or I would start a payment plan, and then they'll make a payment, then go on Facebook and say that they paid me money and I didn't give them their paperwork, trying to force me to give the rest of it for free.

SPEAKER_01: 28:03

Okay, now now to keep that, you know. I gotta I gotta be I gotta keep it a buck on here, I gotta keep it a buck. Um, so you got that story, and then you got another story, and so I'm not accusing you of you know doing anything crazy, but I always learn where there's smoke, there's fire. So if more than three, four people say that something happened with some money, what's going on, brother? Because I know um the brother uh Cujo, you know, since we there, since we're talking about it, we're open about it right now. Let's talk about the Kujo situation. Cujo said Kujo is talking about how something happened with some money and things like that. So, what happened's happening with these money situations?

SPEAKER_02: 29:00

People are trying to take advantage of me. And when they try to take advantage of me, the best way they do it is publicize the slander so it either forces me to do what they want me to do or it defamates my character. Now, let's talk about Canaan Land. I received a I received a call from one of the Canaan Land Moors who was having trouble in court. I sent him some um documentation, he sent it into the court. Brother was facing like nine years. Next thing you know, the court dropped everything.

SPEAKER_01: 29:41

Case dismissed. Wait, the brother was facing nine years, right? And they dropped the case out of the house. Oh, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 29:52

So I got him off completely, and I didn't charge him a dime. The next call I got was Brother Zelani, we're having problems with these police up here, man. They taking our plates, they doggone, taking our cars, you know, they pulling us over, this thing, that thing. Well, at that time, I had just um established the Ministry of Land Transport and Navigations. So I established a foreign corporation for them up there in Canada. They was the first foreign corporation we established. I only charged them for the franchise$720 based on Moore's science. Seven plus two plus zero is nine, right? And um, I just asked them as a group to pay me$50 a month for franchise dues, not individually, as an organization. All I had to do was pitch in doggone money for the fifty dollars and send it to me. Now, side note, at that time, my hips were destroyed. I was barely walking. All right, and my grandmother was deathly ill. She was on her, she was about to die. Um because I was unable to work, I'm we we working off the same social security um check because social security wouldn't give me a check. I applied two times. All right, so I'm trying to doggone help my grandma out by starting this business, the transportation department. It's a business, it's a corporation. So next thing you know, the brothers asked me to tell them where I get the plates from so they can buy the plates from bulk, you know. In other words, cut out the middleman. And I'm saying to myself, brother, you ain't paying me a lick of dues for the business. But I'm gonna tell you where I get my plates from, and you're gonna buy them in bulk. Come on, man, who you who you playing with? Then he's gonna tell me, man, brother Jelani, they just contacted us, says, Man, um, they they honor everything we sent them, they honor our transportation department. The only question they have is um how we how we deal with liability in case one of their people wanna um have an accident with our people. And at first I was like, brother, what y'all don't y'all don't have no insurance up there? And in my mind, I'm going, man, these cats ain't paid me no dues, they want plates, they want insurance. I said, uh huh. Okay. I said, well, let me check into it. So now here I am and got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, and these cats is playing with me. So I said, all right, the down payment for the insurance is$600 and something dollars. Remember, they're supposed to pay me$50 a month, 12 times$50 is$600. So I was at least trying to get a year's dues from these people, all right. And because I wasn't gonna establish insurance for them down in the states for Canada, because that means that they would expect me to pay the premium for their cars up there. See, it's still trying to play games with me. So when they didn't get the insurance, next thing I know, Cujo gets on YouTube and start talking about well, yeah, what you need to do is take care of your sick grandma, you know. I'm like, what do you bring my grandma in this for, man? Yo, where I come from, man, that's you know, that's that's some serious business, man. Especially I'm sitting there watching her winter away, dying. You know, what you thought, what you saying that for? I never even negotiated with him. It was two of his other members, it was another member, so I never had no one-on-one negotiation with him about the business that I gave them. It's still in operations today. A few years ago, I was on a uh a thread, and one of their members like, well, yeah, we got our own uh transportation department, and I trying to say, Yeah, I gave it to you. So it's still operational, and I still have not gotten a lick of dues, I had to trick them out of a year's dues, and that was 2013 when we established it, and I still ain't got no dues to this day.

SPEAKER_01: 34:31

So basically, you you you you just said you you tricked them out of the dues. I did so that so and how much was that?

SPEAKER_02: 34:40

$679. That's because 50 times 12 is 600, and that was one time, and they ain't paid a lick of dude since see, so I wasn't getting over on them, they kept trying to get over on me. Why you gonna buy how can you afford to buy my plates in bulk? All right, bulk meaning like what 12 or more, and at that time was like$30 a plate. So do the math. If you got enough money to buy plates, you got enough money to pay me my dues. You're saying, like, and the dudes buy a Mercedes money, this is survival money, right?

SPEAKER_01: 35:24

And the dues was for basically for your service, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:30

For the service, you know, and I was supposed to give them additional instruction on how to process the cars. When they didn't give me my first one dues, I shut down on them. See what I mean? Because they were being disloyal to me. If any other business franchised to somebody else, it'll be well over a stack, well over$700. I looked them up afterwards, they was like the minimum is like ten thousand dollars for a business. The Ministry of Land Transport is a business, it's not a right to travel situation. It is a religious corporation that deals with uh transportation legitimate, registered with the secretary of state, it has a file number and everything. So I don't I don't promote the right, the constitutional right to travel. No, I've been past that.

SPEAKER_01: 36:34

All right, now now we we pretty much went over the that part, right? So we went over the Nakeem, the Sharif, and the Kujo. I'm sure uh brother Nakeem, he's too busy to even deal with this type of stuff, but I'm sure uh other people are gonna come back and say something. Uh probably Kujo, right? Kujo is probably gonna re uh yeah, yeah, good to hear both sides, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm sure Cujo, I think Kujo does have a video about this on his page. I think he does. And if he doesn't and he sees this, he's probably gonna respond. And uh, you know, I'm listening to your side. I and I heard his side, but I might have to go over it again. Um, but basically, to be quite honest with you, this is like the past, and and I really don't want to deal with it honestly because I spoke to Cujo about this, and you were open to talking to him in private. Remember, Jelani? Yes, sir. And uh he declined. So once I try to link the two, and then one party declines and it's not gonna happen, it is what it is now. It's over with.

SPEAKER_02: 37:49

That's it, brother. It's the past. I mean, I you know, I could very easily just contact Canada and dissolve the corporation because I'm the one, I'm the director, I'm the domestic jurisdiction. You got a foreign jurisdiction, you got a domestic, I'm the headquarters. So I can just call Canada or write Canada and say, look, put a plug on that. I can dissolve it. That's what the the that is the power of the but I didn't. I let karma take care of that, man. You know, at the time, man, I was watching my the lady who raised me die. You know?

SPEAKER_01: 38:32

As a young boy trying to come into wisdom, I need to know what's happening in our house so we can do uh so we can do what we can to preserve and move forward. That's what this is really about. Like, let's just like just knock this out of the park. Let's just start, you know, we have this conversation. We had this conversation already. That's it. This is it, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 38:55

Like, yeah, I mean, I'm going, I'm glad I got a chance for cyberspace to hear my side of the story because I do things for the people. I create religious corporations that makes it easy for us to establish schools. As a religious school, you don't have to go through that rigmarole about their education department. As a ministry of holistic health, you don't have to get their licensing for midwifery and stuff like that. All these things are established. We just need good brothers and sisters to come in, come in the house and take a seat. And that's your business. If you're good in holistic health, we'll set you up with a foreign corporation wherever you are. And guess what? You can practice holistic medicine. And can't nobody jump in and make judgment about what your tactics are. As nourish Americans, the school system, wherever you establish a ministry of education, you are the Board of Education for Moors in that particular republic. And the curriculum can be totally Moorish. You can teach calculus at four years old if you want to. And can't nobody jump in there and say, Oh no, we don't preside, we don't preside. That's what we need as Moorish Americans. Handle our own business. But go ahead, brother. Please ask this question. I don't want to dwell on, you know, but I've always tried to protect and serve the Moorish diaspora. People that and that's me.

SPEAKER_01: 40:34

I still want to kind of talk about you though. Um okay, brother. Yeah, because you know, I just want to clear the air. So you you you you spoke about that. You spoke about uh the Kujo situation and now why people may look at you in a certain way, uh, because of the paperwork stuff and all of that, right? So now what other misconceptions?

SPEAKER_02: 40:57

Let's talk about the paperwork for a second. One second, the paperwork.

SPEAKER_01: 41:02

I was introduced to that process, and I was delegated one second, brother. Correct, brother. It's unfortunate. Correct. It's it's unfortunate that everyone isn't on the same page when it comes to the movement. It's really crazy. It's really crazy because it's like when brothers come in the movement away from torn homes, dysfunctional homes, gang banging, and all of that, and they coming into this, they're coming more, they're coming back into dysfunction again.

SPEAKER_02: 41:35

What I tell people all the time, dear brother, and you hear me say this, I've been saying this for years chapter, verse, sentence paragraph. You can't go wrong with that. Read the Moorish Holy Quran, read the literature, read the divine constitution and bylaws. Forget what Grand Sheikh Housi Mutzit says, and Grand Governor Bapsa Boobu says, None of them, my prophet noble drew Ali. Right, and that's their problem. I've been threatened so many times about coming into somebody else's movement, you know, trying to force me in their jurisdiction. But after my grand sheik died, and I talked with several people, you know, they they didn't want to really, because the prophet gave instructions on how to establish a religious corporation. I read those instructions and I moved on it. You know what I'm saying? This is 2025, this ain't 2028 no more. You know, we gotta catch up with the times. Every church has a school built on the side of their church, and their children go to that church K-5 through 12. Look at Seventh-day Adventist. My old Seventh-day Adventist Church has K-5 through 12, and then Oakwood College is the Seventh-day Adventist College. So from the time they born to their doggone graduate from college and get married, they in one religion, and everybody that they get with is in that damn religion. We're supposed to be doing the same thing as Morse Americans. So I just lead by example, brother. I'm not trying to, I don't want nobody following me. I'm a doggone fool. You know what I'm saying? Uh, but I would like to share information with somebody so that if we got some smoke coming, we can stand shoulder in shoulder and back to back. And I don't have to worry about whether you know what you know, or I know what I know. We know what we know. See what I mean? That's that's that's my true philosophy, y'all. It's long.

SPEAKER_01: 43:41

So now I want to go into um uh so the paperwork thing, and also uh uh, you know, the I'm gonna use for lack of better term, the renegade more stuff and you know that. Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_02: 43:58

Okay, so now I mean when you talk about the renegade more, um, that has to be really defined on what's renegade. Does renegade mean that they won't listen to you when you haven't demonstrated that you know what you're talking about? I mean, respectfully, this is 2025. Where is our schools? Where is our hospitals? Where's our colleges? You know what are you doing to make that happen? If you're not doing anything to progress the Moorish movement, the Moorish Divine International Movement, then why are you trying to force people to follow you? That's not what this is about. This is not supposed to be cliqueism. We got the same instructions, you know. So, what is they what does our chapter 47 verse 14 say? That on top of the laws that were slayed down by the we can create our own laws and customs. That's like each municipality is under the state, which is under the U.S. corporation, but that municipality, through its city council, makes its own laws and customs, it's not so it's it's the same thing. That's what the prophet meant. And he's gonna leave them in place long enough to show us how to run government. See what I mean? So he gave us the blueprint, like he said, he gave us everything we need to be a nation. The problem is you have Moors who don't want to cut the umbilical cord of a U.S. corporation, and instead of letting the new Moors come in here and investigate for themselves and research for themselves, you give them brothers a piece of paper so you can control them. See, and that's not what it's about. When the prophet said he was gonna turn or put the old Moors in the backseat, that wasn't putting a chain on the dog on uh trapdoor. Anytime you're in the backseat and somebody driving for you, they chauffeuring you. That's a place of regalness, of royalty. In other words, it's time for the older Moors to sit in the backseat and support the new Moors. If they need help, then you hang your head out the dog on car, back the car, and you know, lick off some shots yourself to support the younger Moors. And anybody who knows me personally, I don't hold nothing back of what I teach. I teach you administrative functions so you know what your job description is. The paperwork as a series of affidavits. Then instead of you trying to rack your brain on what to say to the courts, you already got an affidavit in your package you can send to the court and it takes care of it. See, that's what it's all about. Renegade Moors are those who are trying to be progressive. The older Moors want to stay back in 1928, the older Moors want to doggone, they're scared they're not gonna get their pension and their social security check, you know, and they and stuff like that. Damn, oh this is why they still doggone hanging on the names of delude the slavery. Prophet said you don't do that, so you proclaim your free national descent name. There's no Japanese named Juan Gonzalez, we're the only people still holding on to somebody else's name and lying about it that the prophet said it. See what I mean? He didn't say that. Um, the people who created the uh um the um the Moorish Hadith, what do you call that?

SPEAKER_01: 48:01

You don't talk about the Moorish Hadith that publication, the uh what you said. The Moorish hadith. No, I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_02: 48:09

Yeah, it the sayings of the prophet, they say.

SPEAKER_01: 48:11

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The sayings of the prophet. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 48:16

That was published in 1970. Yeah, probably was gone in the 20s. See what I mean? So that's not the gospel, bro. That's like that's why you called it the Moorish hadith, yeah, because it's like the hadiths of um right of uh what's the name? Because Prophet Muhammad was illiterate in his own language, you know. So people took a uh um like a biography of the prophet, and then the hadiths, the hadiths are the laws of men, not God or Prophet Muhammad, they're the laws of men. So we're taking these laws, we're taking this publication where brother so-and-so said that sister so-and-so said that brother so-and-so said that the prophet said XYZ stick to the basics before 1929, and you can't go wrong. That's what we doggone teaching, Morish Holy. And the only reason why we established Morse Holy, like we did, was because of the what you call it before the renegade, the renegade elders who simply wants to control people, and like the prophet said, if you're not careful, your own brother will put you right back into slavery. See what I mean? And and I'm not slandering anybody, I'm not talking bad about anybody, it's common sense. What do we learn about taxes? No taxation without representation. So technically, no more is supposed to be taxed in religious law. Religious organizations are not for profit, they are not tax obligated.

SPEAKER_01: 49:59

Well, that's a that's a whole other podcast. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 50:02

Yeah, that's just an example, though.

SPEAKER_01: 50:04

Go ahead, man. You know, so uh now your the the form of masonry that you practice or that you're a part of, that's your culture, that that's your way of life. Where did you get that masonry from, right? So that's what I want to know, right? Because um, I don't know. I it it I caught wind of your masonry not being official or something like that, the masonry you know.

SPEAKER_02: 50:34

Okay, well, listen, we're taught in the free and accepted ancient York Mason National Compact for the United States of America, and understand when you say for that's a de jured jurisdiction, when you say of that denotes uh ownership, that's in the corporation. So for the USA, um within the compact, you have lodges that were established in like 1818, 1810, 1814.

SPEAKER_01: 51:10

Okay, hold on. Hold on, just in case I'm kind of guessing I'm slow. Yes, sir. It is later in the day for me. Okay, okay. You became a Mason under what jurisdiction?

SPEAKER_02: 51:27

They called it the National Compact, but it's the free and accepted ancient York Masons National Compact for USA. Okay, they call it National Grand Lodge.

SPEAKER_01: 51:42

Okay, and how okay, why wouldn't that be official? Let's say if someone says, Oh, because me personally, I heard York right, I heard uh Freemason, you know, how wouldn't that be official? Let's say if someone tried to say that. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02: 52:00

See, because we created masonry 4,000 years before Christ. Wasn't no Europeans around then, and then the Europeans make the claim that they derive their power to create a Grand Lodge, a national Grand Lodge, because they can trace their ancestors to 1400 AD, A.D. All right, okay. So when John T. Hilton tried to kumba y'all with them, they refused them. So since y'all created a Grand Lodge, we did the same thing. There were already Masonic Lodges in existence. So all you need is three or more Grand Lodges to make a national Grand Lodge. So New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, they all came together. The delegates made met in Boston, Massachusetts, and J.T. Hilton became the first Grandmaster of the free and accepted ancient York Masons. Now, later on in the 1800s, delegates left the national compact, and they'd have derived their authority from the local states like Alpha Phi Alpha and the Kapas, like a regular fraternity. And they stayed out, they still had our warrants though, and they stayed out there in the wilderness, as we say, until 1980 something. That's when the National Grand Lodge allowed them of England allowed them to be under them. And they coined them the Prince Hall Lodges. Okay. That's when you get the Prince Hall affiliated. They're not the origin, they're affiliated. And the United Grand Lodge of England gives them the authority to work. So now let's see what the United Grand Lodge did. United Grand Lodge came up with the word clandestine, right? Meaning irregular or not recognized. You know, but the word clandestine per Mackey's law dictionary means an organization that is covert or secretive in all of Masonry is a society of secrets. But what they did was give an alternate uh definition to start the red ant and the black ant to fighting with each other. So when somebody called me clandestine, I said, Who told you that? Your master? See? Because if that's the case, then and you wish to be up under somebody who your ancestors taught, that's on you.

SPEAKER_01: 55:13

But don't tell me it's true.

SPEAKER_02: 55:21

Who taught them how to build castles? We did that movie. That movie 13th Warriors showed you that. You know, the head Viking was going to help a friend of his daddy's, and the king was living in a barn, bro. Everything was wood and grass and stuff. The kings. See what I mean? So who who how all of a sudden uh uh uh UFO came down and poof showed them how to build a castle? No. In 17 in 1750 AD, the Moors came to Europe, and the Moors showed them the seven liberal arts, showed them about bathing. You see what I mean? Show them architecture, how to build stuff. See what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 56:14

The Moors did now. Now I okay, cool. You you spitting fire. Now, look, here's the thing. I will let's get to the nitty-gritty of how that the lodge that you were you came underneath, which was in 1997, right? Mm-hmm. It is called again what?

SPEAKER_02: 56:36

Oh, my lodge was called um rising sun 410. Now, brother Brown, brother Brown was 85. His great grandfather was the head of that lodge. That's how old it is.

SPEAKER_01: 56:56

Now, is would that be uh a lodge considered clandestine?

SPEAKER_02: 57:01

No, how can it be clandestine? It is just like any Masonic lodge, it's a lodge of secrets, a society that has secrets, there's not nothing secret about it. See what I mean? Okay, so we don't go and have a we have a national Grand Lodge, we have a Grand Lodge, we have um subordinate lodges, just like any other Masonic governmental order. Again, that was a device to come another way they did it too. Long time ago, used to tell between York right and Scottish right, or or Prince uh Prince Hall affiliated in Yorkright. We have the Blue House, we have two emblems for the Royal Arch. We have a Yorkright emblem, we have a nice Templar emblem, we have the Scottish Rite emblem, and we have the Shriner emblem. That's seven emblems on the back of your car, right? Prince Hall only had three the Blue House, the Scottish Right, and the uh Shriners. That's how you could tell the difference on spot. Then the United Grand Lodge come in there and be messy and give them the York right emblem. So now they got all the emblems we got. So now here goes confusion. You can't tell the difference until you talk to the brother. See what I mean? So that that's just that's that doggone dude shaking up the doggone jar so the red ants and the black ants can fight. I met an elder one day um at my grandmother's apartments, and I greeted him with the um shriner's green, and he responded. So as we was talking, he found like I was York, right? He stopped the conversation. They told me I can't talk to you. But the way blue house masons talk to each other is universal. So if we speak in the same language because they tell you that I don't want I'm not recognized by whom by whom? How do they get the authority to tell another society of masons that they're not legitimate when their ancestors taught them? But if you don't do the research, you won't see it that way. You see what I mean, and that's why it doesn't bother me when they come with that clandestine stuff. Come on, brother, you know. Uh look up, you can look up here's a receipt the the Matthew Manifesto, General Matthew. Um was a national grandmaster, and he um when they left, those delegates that left and went on their own, he sent out a letter saying, Hey, look, man, come on back home. Come on back to the national compact. You know, we forgive any dog or misunderstandings we had, and it's come on back, man. Let's be one. And they refused. And they kept begging and kept begging until the 1900s, you know, until the night United Grand Lodge accepted them. And they call them Prince Hall Lodges, but guess what? There's no such thing as Prince Hall Masonry. Really and truly. Even though we're Prince Hall origin, there's three types of masonry. York right, Scottish right, Memphis right. Who was the third one? Memphis right. I never heard of that. That's the degrees of myths. Ryan. They go up to 97 degrees. That comes straight out of Kemet.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:06

So I gotta I got someone saying, oh wait, before we do that, before we go into that next one, could you explain? Could you explain uh do all bus all old business in the old name and all business in the new name?

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:21

Yes, that that that makes okay. I got you. So in other words, let's say you had let's say your social security and your birth certificate. All right. Um I was in the military in my birth name. So all contracts dealing in the military, I would not try to change those documents to my free national descent name. I would I would submit certain documents that protects me when I use what we call the estate trust name, the all capital name. Same thing with the Social Security, that's public. As a Moorish American, you private. So anything you do in the private, you do in that name, or you, in other words, the new business as a Moore, you do it in the Moorish name. The old business under the estate trust, under your birth name, you continue that business in your birth name, or your estate trust.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:30

All right, now I want to go to the next one. Uh, if you're not recognized by the grand lodge of English, uh England, English, England, then you're clandestine. That's what the brother, brother. That's what the brother's trying to say. This is what you're saying. This is what you're saying, right? This to me sounds so crazy. This sounds crazy. If you're not recognized by the Grand Lodge of England, see if the master don't say one uh recognized, then I'm not gonna recognize them. The Johnny come lately's we gotta get permission from the Johnny come ladies, our children. We gotta get permission from our children to set up shop and teach what we taught them, okay. I'm not with that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:40

I'm not with that. No disrespect to the PHA, man. But yo, yo, the title is Prince Hall affiliated, not origin, not the original. So, I mean, that that's a counter-argument of what he's talking about. We're the original jurisdiction as far as Prince Hall's concerned. You know, how are they gonna come along and say we're not?

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:08

Okay, John uh John G. Jones in a Memphis Misraim, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:12

Okay, right. Well, I have all due respect for that particular order in John G. Jones and what he did. You know, I'm not that's my next step. After I get my 30 Ferret, I'm gonna go into the Memphis Memphis rights. See, I'm seeking knowledge, man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:28

Now, uh England utilized the lodge as an agent for empire. Cap. Say cap. Okay. All right, move it. The Grand Lodge of England versus the versus Grand Orient. Okay, I like how you like how you put that there. Uh PHA really is a consolidate cons consolation prize. Okay, okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:04

Um, so Grand Orient rules her down. They old, they go all the way back to Kemet.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:11

Okay, so so for me, it's like this, right? I'm looking at it like this. This might be a bad analogy, but it is late for me. Run it, run it, brother, run it. All right, we got two types of martial arts. Uh we got karate, which is commercially known and world renowned, right? But me, I go and learn, I go and uh uh create 52 blocks, and it's even way more effective than this karate that everyone loves, but it came from me, the original man that's been a warrior since time memorial, but 52 blocks isn't as respected as a karate commercialized type of school, you're not Japanese man, right? So that's how I'm looking at this whole thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:20

So 52 blocks is clandestine, legitimate, but because the Japanese and the Chinese, you know, don't look at it as a martial arts, it's it's clandestine to them, even though they got their martial arts from us again, right? There's no lines grow in China, so I'm almost you know, you know, whatever. You know, so it's the same thing. You gotta understand, man. Listen, we don't understand that we at war, that the entire planet is trying to uh uh suppress us. Look at that movie um gods of Egypt. All European casts. If the producers don't do a counter movie to that, 20 years from now, our grandchildren is gonna think that's what the Egyptians look like. We're talking about a people who's done a good job of usurping our history and culture when you look into the Masonic order and you read the lessons, none of them have nothing to do with Europeans. So, how can Europeans regulate original people's science?

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:49

Okay, real quick, we're gonna go. Uh, the brother said, Are you saying that the British, because you said cap about uh what was that? Uh the England England utilized the lodge as an agent for empire, and then you said cap. Then the brother says, Are you saying that the British Empire did not utilize the Masonic Lodge to spread its influence around the planet planet? I think that's what he was alluding to when he said that first comment. Okay, then, but guess what? Who taught I agree with him on that? I agree with him. Yeah, yeah, but that's after we taught them. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:24

You taught them, and then they they they put us to sleep, and then they doggone capitalize on what was taught to them by us. It's our job to recapture that information. That's why we have jafters more by large. You learn exactly what a Mason's supposed to know, and then you learn where it comes from genetically, genealogy. You know what I'm saying? You learn who the actual characters are, and you learn their lineage and how far it goes back, and then you see for yourself ain't number brown people we talking about, olive, olive. That's right, olive, dark and light, olive brothers and sisters. That's right. Thank you for correcting me. Yeah, man, you know, so I don't care what you're saying, is that because at first the Marsh Empire ruled everything, that's why you got a pyramid and an eagle on the dollar bill. Those two world empires have always influenced. There's not a place on the planet that when you do the research, you don't find olive people as the original people. So, like you said, Johnny come late. Is this all due respect to United Grand Lodge? Because they did an excellent job in preserving that science that we gave them. See what I mean? So I gotta give them, I can't say that, but for our olive brothers and sisters to abandon their culture, their history, and give all that credit to somebody who don't deserve that credit. See what I mean? That's where my problem is. If you PHA brother, if you're up on the United Grand Lodge in England, man, look, bro, let's just dap each other up and go about our way. We don't want to learn from each other, but don't sit there and slander me, you know what I'm saying, or talk or say what I'm doing is illegitimate. I've been doing that 27 years, almost 30 years. And it's funny that when I say I'm national compact, the European go, oh hi, brother. How you doing, brother? I was bouncing in a bar in my turban, and one of the other white bouncers who goes to the lodge, the local lodge. We had been building, and he told the rest of them who I was not only a moor, but a shrine and from the national compact. I'm sitting in a dark corner somewhere wearing black on black, and about eight of them roll up on me in a line, and each one bowed to me and went on about their business and ensured me that if any smoke that I can't handle, they're right there. Well, wait, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:37

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:38

That's confirmation. You know, when they see the five letters, what's that? Hey, ace, hey, hey, brother, what is that? What's them letters stand for? And I break it down. Oh, okay, then hey man, meals on me. I was at an aha. Have my car parked to the main one. Oh, what's the name? I got all my light on the back of it. Out the blue, this man came to me and doggone, put$20 on the table. You have a good day, brother, and kept on going now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:09

Um, real quick, uh, I we gotta address um the uh uh comments. What is that? Uh true. I some I can't really see. I need glasses. I know I need glasses. I keep I keep uh uh postponing it because I you know I'm getting older, so I'm like, damn, I need glasses now. Hold on. Uh how can Moorish scientists get us out of these conditions? Now, more okay, truth teller, you might be a uh pan-Africanist or black nationalist. I like these kind of questions. Uh, where are you from, though, truth teller? Where are you from? First of all, I want to ask that. I want to know that one. And then uh the Moore is scientists, right? How can they get us out of these conditions? Okay. First off, we we try to deal with the junk first, or the I don't want to call it junk, but we try to get all the nonsense out of the way first, and then after that, then we could talk about all the other things. That's why we're now getting into uh the brothers' history and all of that. So then later on we could just start going in and teaching, but we had to get this stuff out of the way. As far as uh Moore's scientists and what the Moors are doing, uh Moors are doing a lot of things now, brother. A lot of things. There's so much to talk about. Uh, you know, you know, I could bring Moors up that's doing uh doing a whole lot. Uh uh the brother um Cosmo V Cosmo Cosmo L. Oh my god, Cosmo L is doing a lot. I could go on and on and on and on, but I won't do that right now because that's not the podcast for today. So anyway, the brother Jelani broke down all of his history, all of what was happening surrounding his name. He was open to speaking about it. You can also reach him at on his um at his on his social medias. Jelani Bay is an easy person to contact. He is not hard to talk to. Every time I say, Jelani, would you talk to the brother? Jelani says, Yes, I would talk to the brother. I've never heard Jelani say I'm not talking to that brother. Never. Anytime I say, Jelani, what's going on, man? We're having an event on 126th Street in Harlem. This was 2008. Yeah, I'm with it, brother. Jelani, can you come up? Uh do a podcast when we first started. We had about the hundred subscribers. Yeah, I'll do it. So, Jelani, from what I know and what I've witnessed over the years, he's never hard to get in touch with, talk to nothing. He's gonna speak his mind, he's gonna feel he's human like we all are, and that's just that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:15

So you won't catch me making anything up, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:19

Say what because you you'll never catch me making anything up. Um I don't know anything, like that's why I went when when when uh you know this last the first podcast, the the more recent podcast we did last week. When I was just like, I didn't understand where it was really coming from. The only thing I the only thing that threw me off is you know, the whole you know, the Nakeem Bay chasing in the city kind of thing. That's what threw me off because I just never known Nakeem Bay to be running or Nakeem Bay has always been a um he's always been the god. I I never I never known him not to be outside of being God, you know. I mean, like the true and living gods, like true and living gods get chased and all that that don't even sound right, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:03

But it's like this here, man. I mean, and this is a hypothetical situation, you know. Just because I can't I can't be in his mind or whatever. You know, I've heard this several times, but it only makes sense. If there's 50 dudes coming for you, you're not gonna step in the middle of doggone 125th Street and do a uh end of the dragon movie. Nah, nah, nah, you're gonna avoid that smoke, right? You see what I mean? So I'm not saying it like you know, them cats saying he was a punk or anything like that, you know what I'm saying? Nothing, nothing in regards to his manhood, but I know if it's 50 cats after me, hell, if it's 10 cats after me, yo, you're gonna see knees and elbows, you know what I'm saying? So I can get somewhere where I can regroup, right? You know, identify them and get them one by one if I have to. Right, that's just the wisdom of a soldier, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:06

For sure.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:06

That's where I'm coming from. I'm not saying the brother's a chicken, but I would do the same thing. You feel me? Right, so it's no condemnation on the brother whatsoever, man. None.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:19

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, man. Uh, I never I never heard you speak ill of anybody either. I never heard you speak ill of anybody, I never heard you talk crap about nobody behind their backs, nothing ever. I never heard it, but that's my life story, brother. Ron, even when people are saying stuff about you, you go, Well, the brother, this is what happened, and you explain the story. You don't say, 'Well, that punk motherfuck. You don't do none of that. None of that. No reason, man. Truth is truth, brother.' Soani cool with me. I'm cool with Jelani. I don't know, you know, I don't I don't get it. I don't get the problem. But uh, we we cleared it up, we're done with that now. Anytime you see anytime you see Jelani on the podcast, we're building on masonry. All right, as much as we could build on, as much as we could build on, because I understand there's certain things you can't say, things in that nature, and all that, but this is like an educational thing on Freemasonry. Anytime you see the brother Jelani, and of course, more of his science. These are his specialties, so that's what he's on the platform for. We just came up today to clear the air, the air is clear, and we're out of here, brother. You have anything to say, brother.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:48

You know, you one of the biggest things I did, and I I don't regret a day, is getting into York Wright Masonry, you know, becoming part of the national compact. Um, not only because of its particular camaraderie, but the history and how far it goes back, you know, with receipts. And um when I came into Morris Science, I saw so many similarities to what I had learned in Masonry. And that's the only thing that behooves me is the the beef between more scientists and Masons, and I it's just Masons don't know their nationality, and more scientists read books, not understanding that a lot of the books that we use were written by Catholic Christians who were trying to expose the Masonic order. So if you read the four words, they're talking trash about the order. But they did so good a job of putting together the information that we use them as reference books. Because they're not all. You know, so you know what happens inside the different jurisdictions is different than what's in the book. It's how we catch a lot of book masons. See what I mean? So man, that's why I tell people, bro, come on in the more into uh Jack and Mobile Lodge. And the only reason is is because it's a Moorish lodge that's online. So you say, Dang, man, we're gonna try masonry. But then you go into a lodge of all Negroes who know nothing about Moral Science. And you out of law for trying to teach a moral science. You see what I mean? It's a conflict. That's the only reason why I suggest it. If you don't like it, leave. You know, you're free. But at least you can say when somebody tells you, Oh, yeah, they're licking goat butts and stuff like that, you can go cat. Oh man, no, I know cat. I've been there like Barato Arabo. You know, you don't merely guess, you know, and that's what being a more is all about education. Right, a more supposed to know damn near anything in the universe because our ancestors created it, so it's a constant search for knowledge, brother. Right, and that's what I'm all about, man. That's it, man.

unknown: 1:21:37

Indeed.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:38

On that note, we have we're gonna have brother Jelani up again to build all the other stuff is out of the uh is is done, it's over with, it's over with. If if you say something behind this podcast, go ahead and say it. We're not, I'm not gonna say nothing about it. I I'm done. All right. So we're moving on. Brother Jelani Bay in the building. Kufani, Kofani, Kulfani Bay, right? Kulfani? Kalfani, yeah. Kalfani Bay. He will be back on Masonry, Morris Science. If you want to reach him, that's his name. He is on Facebook, and we're out of here. Pea.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:25

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